how big difference is it between rank 2 Conflict and strife compared to rank 3?
#assassination
misty tusk
rigid mango
That's easily simmable
misty tusk
How do i sim without having the essence? Can i do it in raidbots?
misty tusk
thank you
high nacelle
does Breath major replace CLF major in the opener and then on cd, with considering health of targets?
scarlet sequoia
does breath major sim better for you than blood of the enemy, worldvein and clf majors?
latent gazelle
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high nacelle
very close and was curious as got rank 3 today https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uaUCpDVVxNvMC12kAbnryY
not enough wv in my guild
wary ice
So I just unlocked bote3 and am looking to sim my character up for mythic +; can we comfortably use dungeon slice or should I do a mix of sims (and if so any suggestions?)
lone junco
people actually raiding at 50c?
high nacelle
yeh but it's close and was curious
royal lantern
some people can manage it
most people die too random shit with 50
i would say 80%should never enter mythic with more then 39 
mighty elm
imagine not being over 40 xD
distant lava
ye
high nacelle
Things from Beyond sometimes doesn't even appear on a boss for me at 50
mighty elm
distant lava
you can vanish it , cloak it, cloak it, blind it, poison knife it
strange python
vanish it as assa 
royal lantern
but most people will die too random shit if they do it
sullen pagoda
i play m+ with 65 
mighty elm
cant wait for my 2nd carapace dagger, ill be 90 corruption andy
tropic ocean
@mighty elm how many tentacles u play
mighty elm
5
mighty elm
well sometimes tentacles slap
but have had pulls where lethal strikes did more dmg than it
tropic ocean
r3?
mighty elm
ye
royal lantern
the rngtentacle
mighty elm
i feel like if they fix it they will nerf it aswell
tropic ocean
🤷
mighty elm
i dont mind it like this personally
royal lantern
^
tropic ocean
at least for progression
mighty elm
like if you see my hc shadhar log, there was 1 point in the fight i had 3 tentacles up pumping 130k dps by themselves 
sullen pagoda
id rather have it do some average dmg consistently than be a 5buff outlaw vs reroll whole fight outlaw
distant lava
make it 0 or 75%
sullen pagoda
ngl playing arenas with mind flays in no mmr is fun af
sullen pagoda
people dont touch tentacles and just die 
royal lantern
its like playing low rated arena as a shaman
mighty elm
royal lantern
nobody kills the tentacle/the totems
mighty elm
tropic ocean
@sullen pagoda is the dh weapon big in arena?
mighty elm
ashen solar
playing arenas with mind flays in high mmr is fun until they dont proc
tropic ocean
the slow reads pretty busted
tropic ocean
yeah but from personal xp at 1,8 cr
last season
ppl in pvp are very very
bad
and im already dogshit in pvp so
ashen solar
It's pretty meme before 2.1k
sour citrus
what is BotE again?
tropic ocean
blood of the enemy
sour citrus
oh, ty
tropic ocean
like theres legit ppl @ashen solar putting full kidney on bashed target
and shit
constantly
ashen solar
lmao
ashen solar
That's so cringy
I love seeing people who just straight up dont know how dr works
Anyways this is the wrong channel for this lol
strange python
@mighty elm how many twisted appendages do u have? Wtf
mighty elm
5
strange python
can u link me the log
mighty elm
Which one? @strange python
strange python
the 50k twisted appendage
mighty elm
Got 2 Raden ones and 1 dog where my tentacles go wild
Oh, the 50k was only for 54 sec of fight
strange python
oh now i get it
strange python
thanks
wary ice
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/85uJ7iZPzcbH6nKNSa5nJu if anyone has some time and would like to help optimize my gear for dungeons - this is as high as i was able to get it - would love some insight on if i did aynthing stupid
thin kernel
i'd say 3ss is more important than 3 eb
timber meadow
is 3ss/1eb enough to reasonably play assa in M+
thin kernel
yes
stable oxide
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aoPEqysA3LkFNyxcfXscTs Can anyone explain this?
How does subterfuge sim better without any SS skill?
trait*
timber meadow
with 1 eb trait should i run blood or iris
crimson palm
Is it worth running Exsansiguate with Crimson Tempest?
i.e. for bursting ravager on hivemind
tardy narwhal
does having 1 EB change the rotation any?
Having a hard time figuring out if I should use 2x ss 1x EB or 3x SS 0x EB
wispy iron
I see a lot for rogues running blood of the enemy on pure ST bosses, but for me the guardian sims like +800 more so I am not sure, do you have any insights ? its due to corruption or ?
tardy narwhal
mostly sub 10 keys, we just came back from a break
wispy iron
drest'agth for example
timber meadow
is there ever a target count etc. where you stop finishing and just spam fok in M+?
arctic walrus
4/5/6targets with 3/2/1 eb traits respectively
timber meadow
if one is using beam - would it be ideal to use it right after all of your empowered garrotes have been applied but before setting up ruptures orr
also, for packs of 4 or more (not sure if it matters or not) is there a priority for refreshing garrotes vs. refreshing ruptures
mid pull
wide delta
does anyone have a WA to check how many raid members are using worldvein?
I would highly appreciate it
halcyon zealot
Is 480 engi helm better than the Mythic Maut helm? really wish raidbots droptimizer had an engi helm section
main blaze
This dagger is so inconsistent
worthy moon
Is dungeon slice beta good for us?
worthy moon
Aight thanks, I'm trying to figure out if a 445 w/ EB SS or a 460 with SS + HoD is better and having trouble figuring it out
nocturne gate
how do u sim skitra ? or just take dslice gear ?^^
harsh sphinx
It's ST
vestal wren
you can always create a custom fight script for any fight.
you find what you need in the link: https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/wiki/RaidEvents
timber meadow
is crimson tempest dmg accurately reflected in dslice
or should I be running it regardless of how it sims in dslice
i guess i just dont know when to run it or when not to
harsh sphinx
You mean tempest? CT?
harsh sphinx
Think crimson tide is Alabama foot ball but I use CT everywhere but temple/KR/siege for the most part
timber meadow
roll tide
latent gazelle
Rtr
open wolf
Hello, I'm pretty much near end-game gear where I don't get any upgrades and I'm having a tough time actually finding Rogue fun to play where most pieces in dungeons are 200+dps upgrades, and any major significant upgrades are from the last 2 bosses or Mythic.. What should I do? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4gXbwm86TnuGRLVyrMTDyV
I've never really been at this end-point in WoW, and it's getting frustrating doing some 14 keys for either no loot or just a shit pair of boots I don't need
I guess I can start running mechagon dungeons for the ring combo, but that's the only thing I can think of
How do you guys still maintain fun where the biggest part of the game doesn't really matter anymore?
timber meadow
hm your st sim is fairly low without looking into it - prob a lot of stat optimizations you can do without the end bosses of mythic
you'll prob want to take off the EV piece as well
and start simming for your other corruption
open wolf
I did, it just tells me to purify it
open wolf
Around 60 eyes away from that
timber meadow
reclear ep for better coral
open wolf
Looking at the droptimizer sim made me sad, because most pieces are just 200dps upgrades for 14 keys..
Yeah
Maybe I'll do that actually
good idea
I enjoyed EP far more than this current raid
I'd rather go back to BOD, but hey...
alright cheers
timber meadow
in the icy veins article for M+ as assa it says, "If you fight 5 or more targets, do not use Garrote Icon Garrote at all. Multi-DoT only with Rupture to gain extra energy through Venomous Wounds."
im assuming that means edont apply garrote outside of vanish
and coming out of stealth?
or do you not even open with garrotes on 5+ targets
strange python
So whats the best way to sim for assass m+?
tropic ocean
@open wolf 200dps is very strong, you shouldnt get afraid by low numbers, it stacks up
you got a lot of dps to improve
can do pvp to get conflict essence should be dps up
shoulders from nzoth should be dps up
better corruptions, craft socketed pants and boots
bright tusk
Yo I topped damagemeter on mythic skitra but the logs are scuffed, dafuq?
lost wharf
Dps on skitra is badly reflected, since you only reckon dmg of the guys in your phase. That is the same for the dps meter as for the logs. So you can't trust either unless they are your very own and then you can only trust your very own dps.
open wolf
yeah the details for that fight is scuffed
i was top dps, checked logs was like 7th or something
confusing to say the least
lost wharf
It's not just details. The logs are scuffed in the same way.
Unless some1 is with you in every split phase your dps won't show. Since not always the same ppl are in the same phase it splits up weird.
lost wharf
I heard about it in a method stream I think. I figured a world-first race raider would know, but I don't have any actual evidence. You are not the first one to question that tho, so yea
ripe gulch
civic hatch
Few questions, is worldvein better than condensed life now? Why do you garrotte twice after vanish? Do you vanish on the last tick of garrote to get maximum uptime if empowered garrote?
I think majority takes the haste
@drifting cloud wouldn’t 12% damage be better than 12% haste?
lost wharf
The movespeed is what makes the talent strong. You will have to get all of them anyway, so don't bother thinking too much.
@civic hatch Worldvein is classic simbait. Even if it sims higher for you it might still be a loss, since you have to move in basically every fight in Nyalultha. The only exception I can think of is Maut, but that is an early boss where you won't need the dmg regardless.
wanton pond
does the lighting shield in temple reflect damage if you dot before the shield ?
anyone?
harsh sphinx
no it doesn't
wanton pond
thank you
does the lightning shield damage you if youre standing too close to it ?
even if you are on the one who doesnt have it
it does right?
idle ember
Any tips on dealing with thing from beyond? 50 corruption nets me another 4k ST. Just thinking hypothetical atm.
opal minnow
cloak+cloak+blind+feint
idle ember
feint? switch to Elusiveness?
opal minnow
was told it was aoe, not sure if it is or not, but if so just feint w/o elusive
marble hemlock
feelsbadman
lethal heart
well
marble hemlock
unless detection counts
lethal heart
its only like
marble hemlock
then you can use
lethal heart
~6% uptime less
marble hemlock
muti/garrote/detection
marble hemlock
probably a bunch of options to proc it
lethal heart
i mean it procs on cd pretty much
lethal heart
slightly worse
but gonna take that anyawy rofl
im losing my sa nity
to these mechagon runs
tawny shell
any place with updates on EV nerf comparisons yet?
vast forum
sim with EV, sim with purifying EV and take the average value 😄
covert belfry
Im doing almost as much DPS on my 396 sin rogue than my 435 feral druid
thats just sad
subtle tundra
my feral friend was doing almost as much dmg as me in m+ with worse gear
hollow bridge
what are the best corruptions? is EV still the way to go on AOE?
vast forum
you're either bad at feral or have really shit 435 gear, feral isn't far behind assa at all
talking purely dps-wise
covert belfry
or feral is shit
vast forum
i'd even say at the moment feral is better
vast forum
so your personal experience is more important than thousands of logs pointing to feral doing more damage than rogue in the current tier? obviously rogue has better utility but that wasn't the point of your original post
which was also very pointless
covert belfry
literally who says feral is good lol
you never even see them
dont get into groups
vast forum
they don't get accepted because people are dumb and look at WF race/mdi for their group comps... a good feral is better than a bad rogue
rigid mango
This feels like a bad argument though
harsh sphinx
rigid mango
that^
And also, feral is really bad because of its total lack of other stuff outside of just raw numbers
vast forum
my point exactly
rigid mango
You could say sub isn't entirely terrible by looking at those numbers but everyone knows damn well that it's a shit spec
So is feral
vast forum
Im doing almost as much DPS on my 396 sin rogue than my 435 feral druid
@covert belfry this had nothing to do with prio damage or utility
rigid mango
You can make them work but they're suboptimal
vast forum
i didn't say feral was better than rogue for progression
covert belfry
same/better dps for half the effort required for the proper feral rotation
covert belfry
i fucking love feral but come on
vast forum
i sent both hc and mythic
covert belfry
I'd rather play feral than anything else but it's just shit
vast forum
it's very much not shit, and seeing as your chars are such low ilvl, you're probably not a cutting edge progression raider, so the choice of spec really doesn't matter for you
covert belfry
it is shit
rigid mango
Feral's pretty shit but yeah, wrong chat for this (:
grand tangle
uber new here but im at 1786 crit , 1638 haste, 1017, mastery ,6% vers, should i sub out vers for more haste or crit or stay where im at
rigid mango
Whatever sims highest
grand tangle
i dont play sims 😦 was just wondering if anyone knew the top tier numbers and what to look for
vast forum
no such thing as top tier numbers 🙂
the value of each stat varies a LOT depending on your azerite, essences and corruptions
learning how to sim (spoiler alert: it's very simple) should probably be your next priority if you wanna further improve your game
fading wigeon
@grand tangle take some time to learn how to sim. It's a game changer.
vast forum
that's a bad idea
grand tangle
got 3 piece HoD gona rep that shit tn
vast forum
mr robot is garbage
grand tangle
news to me
rigid mango
mr robot is hard outdated and suboptimal to use
Hasn't been good for like, 2-3 expansions?
vast forum
well, time to improve your game then 🙂 raidbots is supported by the best theorycrafters around
grand tangle
i got a lot to learn -_-
just getting familiar with shit for the first time, but good looks anyways fam
vast forum
it's quick and easy 🙂 just get simulationcraft addon, type /simc in game, copy the wall of text into https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear and pick and choose the gear/gems/enchants you wanna run, and it will give you the best options
rigid mango
An account is never bad
Premium raidbots is probably the most valuable money I've ever spent on anything wow related.
grand tangle
whats the fee
rigid mango
Depends on what you want
grand tangle
lol i gotchu, def rather that than mrrobot after what im hearin
harsh sphinx
rigid mango
There's an X addition of amount of sim iterations you can get and then there's the standard "pay less the longer you sub for" kinda stuff.
rigid mango
Mine personally is paid for my guild but I also paid my own before, cannot do what I do without it.
vast forum
shitpost on discord?
rigid mango
Uhh, yeah what else?
vast forum
very important part of life tbh
vast forum
i'm just flexing my 0 corruption because leech and avoidance from weeklies 🙂
rigid mango
not even an 80k simmer 
vast forum
i'm not even 70k
rigid mango
Ouch.
vast forum
i have a mythic dagger and 455 coral too 🙂
i simmed myself with tisu's corruption and i gain 8.5k dps just from the corruption, ignoring EVERYTHING else
rigid mango
Myeh, I'm losing like, 7k from the EV nerfs
rigid mango
mmhm
quasi pewter
do you actually drop to 73k or what zine without ev
vast forum
first time in a few expansions where i simply mathematically can't rank orange on mythic 🙂
quasi pewter
rigid mango
Seriously debating buying a boe ring for it
harsh sphinx
how many boes have you bought already
harsh sphinx
ah ok
rigid mango
RL bought one for me, I've been buying boe's for others full time.
civic hatch
Are you a goblin?
rigid mango
I'm just an active booster 🙂
quasi pewter
buy me one i gave you our drest note
rigid mango
Teach me german and inv me
haughty island
Anybody else getting Haste as useless when simming? This patch is weird with the secondary weights.
^ for single target
drifting cloud
what is your definition of useless
my secondaries have been pretty close together since like 430 ilvl
haughty island
Lowest weighted stat and all gear that is Crit/Mastery is simming higher with crit enchants
drifting cloud
yeah but is it lowest weighted by like 0.2 or something
because thats nothing
then ilvl will just win on everything most of the time
haughty island
I mean, following the sims my Haste is like 657 and it's still not considered high priority. This is a drastic change from 8.2
In 8.2 my Haste was over 1200 before the weight came down
I'm just saying I'm finding it odd and asking if this is the new norm
drifting cloud
well it honestly depends on your gear and more importantly corruptions
but like I said all my secondaries have been pretty close together for past 6months
I couldnt tell you how much of a stat I currently have because I never look at it
I just top gear
haughty island
Crit and Mastery are like in the 1700s and still getting best results. lol It must be a particular corruption but it's odd
Rank 1 Echoing Void and Rank 3 Honed Mind. Hmm, not sure how those are underplaying Haste
summer valve
that's pretty odd, mastery should have zero effect on corruptions while crit vers and haste all benefit them
haughty island
Another guildie is having the same results as me with the sims so I figured I'd see if this is true across the board.
Haste took a plummet
subtle tundra
i'd say haste was really good because benthics in 8.2
quasi ledge
You accidently simming multiple targets or super low duration? :p
haughty island
That actually makes a lot of sense
Actually my multi-target sim wants more haste than my single target. lol Yeah just doing a Patchwerk
The benthic thing would explain it though, I tossed those in the scrapper as fast as I could
vast forum
CLF was also the best essence in 8.2 and it has been nerfed and it values haste highly
haughty island
That's true, Memory of Lucid is currently simming top for me with the nerf
vast forum
it depends a lot on essence choice, my haste doesn't sim very well with WV for some reason, but it sims pretty high with CLF/BotE
haughty island
Which does give a huge energy regen for Vendetta, so maybe it's more bursty
quasi ledge
I have 20% haste and it's never telling me to use an extra haste, except Focusing Iris as a minor. Also using Racing Pulse III x2 because that's all I've had
vast forum
basically
follow sims
intuition can be very skewed with all the different variables in 8.3
quasi ledge
Lowest it's been all expansion, so doubt it's anything weird going on
haughty island
Yeah my haste is at 10% and it feels gross. 😦 Can barely get 3 Envenoms in TB
vast forum
azerite + corruption + essences are too much for any1 to do proper napkin math
haughty island
That's fair, and alleviates a bit of my paranoia about sim quality
vast forum
tbh
sims aren't perfect
but they're the best we have 😄
until we get proper AI to learn optimal rotations, sims are your best source of info
haughty island
Screw optimal rotations, I need it to build heuristics off of my play so it accounts for my nominal network lag, button press speeds, and human error!
vast forum
oh no i'm not talking AI to play your char 😄
haughty island
Actually if it's going to watch me play in order to find best timing, it might as well push the buttons for me
I wasn't talking about that... originally. 🙂
vast forum
but AI would provide better sims and info than an APL
haughty island
I was talking more about using a learning algorithm, likely a genetic one, to build best heuristics from my own gameplay.
vast forum
i've seen small dumb mistakes in sample sim rotations
quasi ledge
Is the Detection spam still in the sims? Could be lowering your haste value as it's just stacking EV during downtime :p
haughty island
lol God I hope not
vast forum
like using BotE 5 sec after TB and then vanish 5 sec later again
haughty island
I decided my hand strain wasn't worth keeping my GCD in check. That detection nonsense needs to go
vast forum
bind detection to scroll wheel, profit
haughty island
I'm pretty sure all online advice boils down to binding every single thing to scroll wheel. 🙂
vast forum
https://gyazo.com/118b3786a9d12f05635be749cca57986 like this shouldn't happen in a sim but it does... and it wouldn't with AI 😄
subtle tundra
🤮
vast forum
that's like 3 mistakes in 1 sequence
desyncing big burst CDs and using rupture during TB
also rupture during the BotE crit dmg window
deep solstice
Wowhead says IS has a RPPM of 2 (+ Haste) RPPM. Does that mean that with 30% haste I would get 2.3 RPPM or 2.6 RPPM?
vast forum
2.6
deep solstice
ok so they used the math symbols right. cool
civic hatch
I’m so Fking noob, came back after sitting out 8.2 and have been using agi pot instead of unbridled fury which is better and cheaper 🤦♂️
pure moth
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fading vigil
i'm sorry this is stupuid but, do i use plumage before or after opening?
or before vendetta or after
rigid mango
Just with vendetta
rigid walrus
anyone elses sims have them spamming detection?
rigid mango
Pins
inland gull
guys, in m+ big trash pulls what pot would you use?
eager river
proximity
inland gull
how many enemy does it cap out to max value?
eager river
5
strange python
So quick question what exactly affects energy regen on assasination rogue other than bleed ticks on a poisoned target (example does haste increase how quick you regen it)
finding myself extremely energy starved on single target
idle ember
haste
cobalt pelican
yes haste increases it and that's the only thing
besides like
the rupture refund on dead targets
and venemous wounds as outlined
strange python
ok ty like i was doing good in M+ but yeah single target i just dont have the haste
i get why know thanks
cobalt pelican
it's probably not that much about haste to be honest, the spec just has a decent amount of natural downtime
strange python
ok
cobalt pelican
better gear/haste improves it a bit for sure, aswell as essences if you don't have them all
but it won't ever be like
outlaw with vigor pace
strange python
for fights like ra den do assasination rogues just do poorly because of the target swapping and haveing to run from boss
void pecan
Double dots everywhere.
strange python
kk
drifting cloud
well on heroic assa is the 2nd best spec on raden
subtle tundra
go fat single target and ignore the adds 
drifting cloud
atleast thats what the logs say
strange python
lol
drifting cloud
but yeah I barely move for orbs, they dont have enough hp
mythic totally different story tho
strange python
yeah im not a mythic caliber play just being honest this was more an ingeneral request for help because my i level isnt THAT bad and my results were god aweful
fallow otter
@drifting cloud i doubt top parse heroic sin is swapping, there is no need, probably got a fat istars t3 and just tunnels
I haven't checked logs tho
drifting cloud
I mean theres a boatload of logs, ofc some dont, but it still averages out
2 target cleave good for assa as we already know
fallow otter
Yeah it should be good for mythic to swap, I'll know soon when we kill soccer tonight
cobalt pelican
doing raden after xanesh sounds like quite the step up
full sandal
prisma monolithBOT
BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html
raw oasis
Whats the deal with BOTE Major/ VOP minor? Lines up CD's I see. I have a 450 FONT though, seems silly to use the Essence combo with it, right?
drifting cloud
you delay bote and we dont use vop in raid
except 1-2 fights because of fight timings
fading vigil
Damn, Dalaran posted on his YouTube. Combat really better than sin now too with stars? Single target*
drifting cloud
yes but its still very strong
ashen solar
Dalaran is a meme
Why are you using him as a reference
IS is a sim trap
Besides if both classes have IS, assa will be better still
fallow otter
@cobalt pelican gotta kill them all anyway, and I'm not arguing I want outlul weap 🍆
errant viper
are engineering helms worth it?
drifting cloud
its pretty good yes
errant viper
It sims almost the same as gibbering maw which is supposed to be BiS 😮
I really thought that losing one NP trait would mean more of a DPS loss.
fallow otter
You don't need Np anymore according to the herodamage bis but I'll still be running it for a while I'd say, but the herodamage also has like 7 bits if gushing wound which is never going to happen
errant viper
How much corruption is the hero damage bis asuming, though?
fading vigil
What’s y’all simming at now ! Let me see some big dick dmg
arctic walrus
I don't sim a lot but my corruption does
rigid mango
thorn knoll
Potion of unbridled fury or focused resolve for ST? Only just noticed my sims run focused resolve on patchwerk.
thorn knoll
Must be why it changed, cheers
fallow otter
@fading vigil https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5D7gUatyJmnS6rYHmdVQp3 my dog sim, parsed 73.2k for kill
fallow otter
Wtb gushing wound x6
umbral mauve
reaping flames > bote on drest'agath?
arctic walrus
If you’re mainly hitting tentacles yeah
umbral mauve
Using 2min on boss when its up
steel wagon
how much corruption is everyone using? 40? 59?
im assuming its mostly personal preference
hidden bay
39
wide hedge
I got 50 - but only because I don’t have more corruption items 🤔
unborn pendant
I might be stupid, but what exactly is Detection?
faint harness
flavour item, you can buy it in the legion class hall
fallow otter
signal summit
u can still scrap "coarse leather binding" for expolsum right ?
hoary crown
Hey guys, due to the dd trait is it better to start of a tb windows with low cp in order to get in one extra mutilate rather than entering a tb window with high combo points and getting more envenom onside the window? 🤔
patent topaz
DD is not guaranteed to proc, it is better to go in with high CP for envenom damage
keen dome
more envenom is better, use TB on CD regardless
patent topaz
DD just makes the loss of DPS smaller if you go in with low CP
correct me if im wrong
knotty pond
is crimson tempest best for m+
woven pine
Nope not really on heavy cleave dungeons like sots
Just don’t spam it or pandemic it, prioritise EB l/FOK over it
faint harness
@vestal wren is APL taking execute into account for breath of the dying major
like, if ur close to reaching sub 20%, does it hold the major until it reaches that if its calculated to be within the 30 seconds needed
vestal wren
actions.essences+=/reaping_flames,if=target.health.pct>80|target.health.pct<=20|target.time_to_pct_20>30
^ it does
faint harness
nice
its kinda weird, i know its heavily weighted towards the minor
but major breathe is outsimming bote/wv
for me
i just havent used it yet, cus i dunno how to optimize its usage
vestal wren
def. possible, the best essence can change with gear
faint harness
i got very high crit
45-46% unbuffed
and 11% vers ish
which i assume is the "culprit"
cobalt pelican
it just kinda OWNS
faint harness
but like it feels like opener would be gigascuffed with it?
cobalt pelican
should be fine right you have a gcd between ma and vend you can always use on whatever you want
faint harness
sure
cobalt pelican
and the 2nd breath will be after 1st tb
cobalt pelican
doubt it'd take priority over ma
mighty elm
When does it use it in the APL?
faint harness
Havent actually checked, i jsut found out it outsims my alternatives
rapid forum
During opener, after I apply my bleeds and get rdy for vendetta bote ect. When I am at 3 cp, what do I do, do I use tb but risk it only taking me to 4 cp? And use a 4 cp env from vanish?
cobalt pelican
it's just used in the clf spot in the opener currently and then pr essed on cd, don't think there's something preventing usage inside tb or anything like that
and ya sometimes you'll be on 4
it just be how it do
faint harness
so you botd into vend - tb - vanish
cobalt pelican
ya
mighty elm
Wait since when is that ?
faint harness
huh
cobalt pelican
since when what who
faint harness
botd not bote
mighty elm
faint harness
yuge diff
mighty elm
I lagged
rigid mango
faint harness
rigid mango
Just ask the man himself
faint harness
Reaping flames dmg on the top log
rigid mango
I had a long chat w him about it yday
faint harness
absolutely bonkers
vestal wren
#1 log is 2 mins faster fight 😉
faint harness
Can match it, dw
rigid mango
vestal wren
did he spam 
?
vestal wren
the amount of uses depends on the fight
faint harness
once per minute on average isnt spamming tho
rigid mango
He was essentially just tentacle hit squad so
faint harness
gonna be my job too
deep wedge
i don't understand what I'm doing wrong, on a stupid boss like shad'har i'm parsing at 54% and 32% for my illv
faint harness
high ilvl, bad corruption=
deep wedge
assassination seems pretty easy when it comes to rotation and decision making though
faint harness
?
deep wedge
I have 0 interesting corruption yeah
granite dust
bring the corruption not the player
deep wedge
beside mind flay rank 1 but well, rank 1...
is it seriously only about corruption now ?
faint harness
you cant parse without decent corruption
granite dust
look at the log that guy just posted
gray solar
You can..
granite dust
echoing void carrying
deep wedge
I saw yeah ^^ pretty crazy
gray solar
54% is low even without a good cor
faint harness
yea im sure some passive stats will increase ur dps by 12k
deep wedge
yeah I also think I should be able to hit 80% without amazing cor
faint harness
perhaps
deep wedge
let me resim myself forgot since yesterday sec
55k in pure st, while I do 52k in real situation
so I believe I'm doing something wrong
granite dust
thats pretty low even without corruption
gray solar
Rather low, mind sending us the sim?
rigid coral
55k St is low sim rn
patent topaz
I sim 53k
granite dust
i sim 67k with bad corruptions
gray solar
I am simming 70320 🤷♂️
deep wedge
wow that's a lot
faint harness
crucible major?
deep wedge
damn
rigid coral
I'm on phone what traits do you have?
faint harness
you're simming weekly tho
deep wedge
something must be wrong with my gear or smth but every piece I loot I sim myself, and I get 0,5% upgrade there and there
rigid coral
I also see you using subterfuge which is typically weaker in st
faint harness
and other stuff
deep wedge
2 double dose and 1 twist the knife and nothing personnal
patent topaz
I sim pretty dog. 453 equipped
faint harness
subterfuge is competitive st
deep wedge
yeah I see almost every top parse use master assassin but when I sim it it's 2% less dps for me
faint harness
change weekly to nightly tho, and try do a top gear sim again
gray solar
Wrong essences, you dont have any coral?
deep wedge
alright let me try this
I don't no, I got back to WoW 1 month ago, barely had time to do ep
gray solar
I cant see your traits either, on Phone
granite dust
probably because of that shrouded suff on the chest
deep wedge
maybe, but it's either that or the heart of darkness, but since I have 15 corruption it's pretty useless ^^
rigid coral
Yeh if you have ss subterfuge competes with ma
deep wedge
my traits are : 2 double dose and 1 twist the knife and nothing personnal and shrouded suffocation
rigid coral
But your essessences seem wrong have you simmed them?
For me worldvein and clf are strong st
gray solar
They are wrong.
rigid coral
But is fight dependent whether wv is good
deep wedge
yes I did, that's what sim better for me (clf is lv2, will need to wait next week)
deep wedge
wr sims better in minor for me, 2% higher than breath but I still use breath whenever there is a lot of movement (Xanesh for example)
3
rigid coral
Kk
patent topaz
Bote sims almost the same as CLF for me but I prefer bote playstyle
faint harness
CLF is not even part of the discussion for my current gear
Botd > Bote > Wv > CLF
in st sims
for me*
deep wedge
as major ?
rigid mango
Botd at rank 3 is lucid tier broken.
faint harness
ye
patent topaz
think im around 5k off rank 3
gray solar
Have not tried botd r3 in raid
faint harness
well the minor is broken
gray solar
As mayor
deep wedge
how realisticly close am I supposed to be to my sim ? Am I supposed to do 100% of my sim damage on boss like shad'ar ?
rigid mango
I wouldn't think about it like that
faint harness
and you have to play GCD perfect
rigid mango
It's much simpler to compare parses
Fights turn out diff even if you don't think it's a lot
patent topaz
when I compare parses its like 15k echoing void dps over my log 
deep wedge
it feels really consistent as an assassin though, when I play outlaw there is often a huge difference haha
but I get the point alright
gray solar
Shadar is quite wierd as BL might not line up with your 2nd vandetta depending on KT
deep wedge
so basically my sim is low, so it must be a gear problem/essence/so on
faint harness
shouldnt BL before 2mins are up anyway
deep wedge
we have a pretty low dps in the guild so it line up for me, fortunatly/unfortunatly, I don't know tbh :p
i just have to keep it a bit I mean some seconds or so
runic garden
Fortunately in that case, you won't get an additional use anyway
deep wedge
yeah
dim pebble
guys, anyone knows, how much titan resid u'll get, when u scrap 470 azerite piece from hm nzoth and carapace?
calm nest
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
short arch
If I were to use Bote with Subterfuge in ST, would I use it on CD or save with for each vendetta+tb (using it after TB I guess)
scarlet sequoia
@dim pebble same as any other heroic piece, 200
dim pebble
@scarlet sequoia ty
tropic ocean
@faint harness reaping flames will def be fixed/nerfed
its even more crazy in m+
from my observation the 5second cd from r3 interfers with the 30sec cd reduce from major
resulting in not having a cd when used to kill a mob
faint harness
Isnt that how its supposed to be
faint harness
Thats what i got from reading the tooltip
If you manage to actually last hit something
tropic ocean
"if reaping kills an enemy its cooldown is reduced to 5 seconds and dmg of next increased by 100%"
but in reality atm if it kills an enemy
it has no cd
and u can kill the next one with it
basically never drop the 100% dmg inc buff
tropic ocean
especially in some dungeons
like if u are smart e.g. on the rat patrol in fh
kill small one
100% buffed on big
tropic ocean
kill next small one 100% buffed on big one
etc etc
or just pew pew pew all small ones
w/o cd
arctic socket
The one problem with that... I don’t believe the casuals know how to swap targets 
tropic ocean
it also works like that in arena, use it to kill any pet then use major on target kaboom
but thats ot i guess 😛
rigid mango
Whenever vendetta is up
faint harness
you pair it with other things
rigid mango
(:
arctic venture
yeah sure, im getting it with vendetta.
but there is a nice numer of stacks to use it?
rigid mango
whatever amount you have when vendetta is up
faint harness
well they die
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
rigid mango
Nvm bot asleep
rigid mango
👍
glacial flare
If one equipps 2 shards of the black empire is the chance of spawning a tentacle only regarding each dagger or do they share that chance ?
patent topaz
The wording is your attacks have a chance so I assume each attack rolls for both corruptions and can proc both. No idea if that is true.
or whether it is attack with that weapon specifically
now that I think about the latter is probably true
gaunt echo
I have 2 pieces with tentacle Bros, and when I had one, I on very rare occasion got 2 to proc, and when I got my 2nd piece, I have seen 3 out. (Belt and gloves)
acoustic bramble
Hey guys. These are my stats weights for a 5min Patchwerk sim. The fact that they are so close to one another means that the balance is correct, right?
honest vessel
doesnt really mean anything. Stats change around a ton rn. rely on top gear as much as u can
a few upgrades could throw everything outta wack for u
acoustic bramble
I see... is this the reason that everyone is playing Heart of Darkness?
honest vessel
the later we get into the expansion, as you might notice from your weights, the better secondary stats get
HoD is just good
lotta stats
it does help that our stats r so close
acoustic bramble
Hmm, legit
rigid mango
You just gear whatever it tells you to
top gear is there for a reason
in the world of corruption, essences, azerite
There's too many things that swing your weights left right and center
One swap and vers drops, just rely on the godlike tool that top gear is and trust it
acoustic bramble
Yes, this is what i am doing atm but trying to get a bit more in depth because i'm not very experienced as Assa. I have played my fair bit for mythic requirements, but i still have a long way to go.
How come that Worldvein sims best for ST but my Font (430+gem) sims worst than a basic 465 Dice?
honest vessel
uhh
faint harness
it means that you get that amount of dps for those stats
honest vessel
worldvein good. font also good but not as good as ur dice for u
faint harness
vers is good atm if you have echoing void cus a large part of your dmg gets buffed
and once EV is shit
it might drop a bit
if you run hasted RPPM corruptions, haste is likely very good 😮
acoustic bramble
I see
faint harness
it changes with ur gear decisions, but i've always found safe harbor in crit
acoustic bramble
Atm i have r2 tentacle, r2 ev and r1 td.
honest vessel
jealous
acoustic bramble
28C, 22H, 5V, 37M
faint harness
I have r2 TA, r2 EV and 12% crit
got a fuckton of crit
TA is so weird
0 consistency
wouldnt surprise me if its bugged
acoustic bramble
Which one is TA again?
faint harness
tentacle
acoustic bramble
ah
faint harness
it looks like spaghetti
might be a meme from blizzard
spaghetti code for the spaghetti
white wyvern
I think it just has really low PPM.
warm parcel
Its called rng
warm parcel
Haste doesnt affect it
sturdy python
It’s not affected by haste
warm parcel
so no
sturdy python
It’s 1 proc a minute and if it Procs at a bad time
warm parcel
Ask blizzard
faint harness
introduce something thats not hasted
faint harness
when everything else seemingly is
warm parcel
Twisted Appendage
sturdy python
There’s tons of not hasted procs
faint harness
seems bugged
faint harness
inb4 hotfix "Fixed Twisted Appendage not taking haste into account"
sturdy python
That’s not how it works
warm parcel
How bout we stop saying somethings bugged
sturdy python
You can look at the spell on wowhead
sturdy python
And it says it isn’t hasted
faint harness
Sadly this game is full with bugs
My go-to explanation for everything thats weird/out of character is that its bugged
acoustic bramble
I have another question that may have been asked a trillion times... How should i properly handle the Thing from Beyond as Assa? I need vanish for burst, i can blind & cloak it once and i am not consistent with kidney on it. Sometimes i get it, sometimes it hits me although i spam it...
warm parcel
You quite simply dont play with it if its an issue
faint harness
i soak em and havent died cus of it yet
acoustic bramble
Can you kidney it consistently?
faint harness
its probably going to hit you before you do it
so you take dmg anyway and just waste time trying to get rid of it
acoustic bramble
Yes thats my issue... its 50-50
sturdy python
If you have to kidney it it probably isn’t worth it
acoustic bramble
This is what im doing atm but today it hit me for 350... and im sitting with 480. We will progress dog mythic today and im afraid that it might be an issue...
warm parcel
Again
faint harness
350?
warm parcel
If it is an issue, dont use it
There are bosses it shouldnt bother you
But on others you just cant use it
acoustic bramble
I see, alright thanks!
@faint harness Yes. Can it crit? I'm not sure. Usually its around 180 or so. But at some point i got a big chunk from it and this is what details showed me... Unless i was clueless and got hit by two? Will have to check more on it then
faint harness
You can be unlucky and spawn several in a row
acoustic bramble
I'm almost certain that it was one, since i was just questing at the time so not many things going on. I can be wrong as well though...
faint harness
ive been soaking the hits on all bosses so far, wont be an issue in 2 days anyway cus EV is gone and my corruption goes below thing from beyond levels
warm parcel
Funnily enough Grand Delusion is also a nonhasted proc
You think its a bug and should be fixed too?
warm parcel
Just an honest question
faint harness
No because its a negative thing, but i want more procs that deals dmg
does it answer ur question
Its a simple game, i want more dmg, i want to take less
warm parcel
faint harness
DPS brain stuff
sturdy python
Still, it’s good game knowledge to know that procs are sometimes rppm (ty weak) or hasted rppm
sturdy python
Usually affects gearing and strength for said proc
acoustic bramble
I got a R2 Ritual from weekly and kept it since its getting buffed. Do you think that it can be worth using over EV or TD?
faint harness
wait, weakfur is finnish?
explains all the passive aggressive stuff
You should keep it and sim it when the changes are live, going by the preliminary sims it should be a gain to replace EV, but not going to swear on me mother
rigid mango
weakfur is finnish
is the rogue from memento
faint harness
perkele
rigid mango
That'd be the one
honest vessel
are people swapping off font/WV for nzoth due to the weird timings and movement?
warm parcel
I just like to clean up some common random bullshit people claim in this discord
Like someone might pass by and read tenties are bugged
And now thats gona spread
And in 3 days we get 5000 questions why ta is bugged
When in reality it isnt
faint harness
Yea i know why
faint harness
shut garnet
ta bugged???
warm parcel
faint harness
In general people don't listen to us without cool colours tho
so ur good
unless Zine or someone else peddles it
shut garnet
tbh it's just a stupid corr effect anyways, it's like
more inconsistent than IS
hwich is dumb imo
no wonder why ppl think its bugged
if they do
warm parcel
If people were introduced to old proc systems 
tropic ocean
@gaunt echo dont think proc chance increases with amount of corrupted pieces on it?
warm parcel
Theyd beg for rppm to return
tropic ocean
i have only 1 dagger and highest i seen was 4 tentacle out at once
faint harness
I played during old proc systems tbh, but was healing so wasnt that affected
warm parcel
One could literally go a 6 min encounter and not get a proc
Where now it should proc at the latest usually within 2-3 mins
With a 1 rppm proc
Off the top of my head
Dont quote me
faint harness
Yea but you were used to it, spoiled with usually good procrates these days
Its fun when its poppin off tho
warm parcel
One of the most egregious assa related ones in recent past was frond with ago
Getting that triple proc at 15 stacks
crimson palm
u should've played retri pala during cata if u think TA proc is awful
faint harness
Think i did actually, or at least end of wotlk
but its turning very much into off-topic territory
crimson palm
what do u guys think about Ineffable Truth + VoP minor
rigid mango
poop
faint harness
not worth it
crimson palm
i just rolled that shit
warm parcel
Rogue has nothing to benefit from it
crimson palm
does it affect all CDs?
warm parcel
Even for sub and mfd talented, it doesnt seem to be enough
crimson palm
like vanish/vendetta/tb?
warm parcel
Yea it did from what little testing I did
rigid mango
Like the thing is
warm parcel
But a single proc of it is only 5 sec cdr
crimson palm
ahh
warm parcel
And its again 1 proc per min
rigid mango
it reduces vend tb vanish on a 1ppm and each proc = 5 sec reduc
it's fucking
I'll have you know
I TYPED IT BEFORE YOu
faint harness
Buff it
faint harness
yes
rigid mango
It's kinda like
faint harness
slightly
warm parcel
yea guy was talking something something blade flurry
warm parcel
But assa doesnt have enough cds to benefit from it
crimson palm
Ye I thought the cdr is much higher than that
faint harness
TB pog
crimson palm
% based or some shit
warm parcel
Just think of time moving 50% faster during those 10 seconds
faint harness
who would run it? firemages?
rigid mango
So on average each vendetta would be 1:50
Which is like, a specific gain in a specific window
possibly
warm parcel
Apparently its giga for arms warrior
faint harness
ah ye
crimson palm
for 50 corruption i'd just take smth else
rigid mango
Yeah it's nuts for arms isn't it
faint harness
strength abusers
proven moth
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
idle ember
Is Maut reflective damage increased on heroic if the raid is at capacity or is it always a base reflective amount by the damage you do?
Infinite Stars hitting me for 200k+ on Obsidian Shield. Even with JUST rupture/garrote and auto attacks.
I realize peeping logs it was from running 30 with 4 healers but still. Had my mouse sitting over cloak/pot/hs and still died the second phase. Had to wait for shield end to run my vendetta and still procced cheat death both times.
wanton pond
how much should i trust dungeonslice with sin ?
rigid mango
not
crimson palm
@idle ember It's 100% damage reflected. Don't run IS on him if you keep dying
gusty mirage
I miss shadowcraft
delicate heath
Hey I was hoping someone could maybe answer a question I have about my corruption choice. I have 2 tendies (one on ea dagger) and 2 gushing wounds one legs (475) and gloves I just got last night that are 440 with gushing (had 460 gloves before) how bad would it be to cleanse my offhand to make room for more gushing wounds/corruption.? Having a hard tim simming it.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bpCXafG7yGcLrAyQ1MHsgH sim if that helps
gusty mirage
Apparently gushing wounds is our BiS corruption per hero damage and a lot of sims. Take that for what its worth. I haven't had any corrupted gear to test it out myself 
vestal wren
shadowcraft was still worse then simc by the time it was active developed
gusty mirage
how dare you
vestal wren
the approach was nice in a more casual perspective
delicate heath
@gusty mirage ya thats what I have been seeing just wanted to verify before I did anything crazy. 35 corruption is alot for a tendy
vestal wren
top gear is the more modern approach to the same problem
and it uses simc so it does not suffer from the problems shadowcraft did
gusty mirage
I'll let someone who's actually had a chance to test out the dif corruptions chime in @delicate heath
vestal wren
e.g. something beeing critical to model and therefore not supported
gusty mirage
The only piece I've gotten in the last 2 weeks was a ring that gives me the stacking 31 crit rating
delicate heath
:( im sorry I wish you the best of luck this week
gusty mirage
@vestal wren its probably more of a nostalgia thing than anything, it was nice having something that was ours
marble hemlock
gushing wound is amazing, play it
highest dps/corruption ratio out of all corruptions, and thats before nerfs
and still works very well on aoe too
it scales with ilvl however, so to compare the 440 gw with a 470 t2 flay youd have to sim yourself imo
vestal wren
raidbots/simc is also "ours"
i somewhat prefere simc as it gives you more freedom to go in whatever direction you want
marble hemlock
if you have the technical know-how to use it in that way
i think thats why shadowcraft resonated so well with a lot of people. good interface, easy to use, while still giving enough options and quick to compare items with
vestal wren
mathematical models are to an extend bound to one situation
i think it would be possible to have something similar to shadowcraft on the surface that uses (pre run) simulations as a base
delicate heath
@marble hemlock thanks I appreciate it ill play around with the sims more and see. It was saying that the dagger with no corruption is a 6k dps loss which the gloves are only around 2.6k gain but ill try again :)
marble hemlock
@vestal wren beats shadowcraft and simcraft anyway
the good ol times :p
i used to have the tbc ones on my hd too, but seems ive deleted them at some point 😦
vestal wren
🤔 when a simulation is a to complex solution to a problem
polar cape
Does gushing proc off FoK?
marble hemlock
yes
polar cape
Thats kinda nuts