assassination

[royal lantern]

its gonna be a pretty high uptime

[cobalt pelican]

don't really think so besides flame though right

like worldvein is the only other existing thing people might play

and it's 1m

[warm parcel]

back on football on ptr

[cobalt pelican]

everyone else dumps on pull

lol

like i guess healers will use randomly at some point for ert or whatever but nowhere near every 20 sec

[outer lotus]

Bote is also half the CD of CLF

[tropic ocean]

uptime is giga

70-80% on nzoth

[outer lotus]

Staggering world veins kinda makes sense anyways to maximize 4 stacks uptime right?

[royal lantern]

healer essence are more or less healing cds

[sturdy python]

Couldnt you just have one person inraid run flames

[royal lantern]

so they use it everytime raid dmg is comming

[sturdy python]

Would probably make high uptime

[cobalt pelican]

you could maybe yeah

[tropic ocean]

think best uptime was 83% today

[cobalt pelican]

and it's possible someone on curve sales is playing flame

no idea

[tropic ocean]

i mean on bosses where ppl play worldvein

or raid

uptime is pretty much 100%

XD

[cobalt pelican]

huh

[sturdy python]

Assuming people use it every 1 min

Void should fall off right?

[outer lotus]

Everybody pops on pull and then nothing for a minute

[royal lantern]

guuys

[tropic ocean]

it has 20 sec duration

[royal lantern]

you keep forgeting healers and tanks lol

[tropic ocean]

so

[royal lantern]

and its like

[outer lotus]

Yea so thats 33% uptime

[tropic ocean]

u basically just need 1 tank and 1 heal

to use essence after 20sec

and u'll have 100% uptime

[sturdy python]

Idk about heals, tanks normall run like flames dont they?

[royal lantern]

if a healer is using everyrising tide, it has 30sec

(they cant use it on cd, but ye)

and like i said

on every single raid dmg mechanic that needs a cd there is a healing essence

tanks using essence on big hits/flame for dmg etc.....

well of exsistance CAN be cased pretty fast and stuff

[scarlet sequoia]

i mean if tanks run crucible

then its 85-90% uptime easily

so ye

[royal lantern]

can VoP procs proc the minor?

[tropic ocean]

I got told yes but

no personal confirmation

can check logs for it later

I doubt it though with 2 destro locks in raid

uptiem should be better than 70%

if vision procced it

[royal lantern]

but ye guys, you forget healer/tank essence usage, and atleast healers use essence almost always togheter with their healing cds(and healing cds get used when raid dmg is happening, and there is almost always atleast 1xraid dmg every 30-40sec)

[warm parcel]

I mean youve 2 tanks spamming flame

so ofc the uptime is gona be good

[scarlet sequoia]

botd r3 is most likely still better

[warm parcel]

I mean this does benefit both

And breath is exe only

So depends which you need

[royal lantern]

well, sin question now cus i just got it

void twisted shard for m+ somewhat usable?

idk the uptime of the shield/crit

[buoyant kraken]

how is the guidance trinket in m+ for assa?

[maiden raptor]

Is the ineffable truth corruption any good? on paper it sounds good

[warm parcel]

Our ilgys uptimes

So whys this then if its raid wide

[royal lantern]

people spread too much?

it still "only"40yards

[warm parcel]

Right

Good one sherlock

[royal lantern]

[vocal ginkgo]

what stats would u guys recommend for the profession legs and boots?

for raiding

[distant lava]

what sims the best

[warm parcel]

prolly what robot tells you

[vocal ginkgo]

wouldnt that change over time tho'

?

[warm parcel]

yes

[distant lava]

crit and vers are really good with the corruption going around

[royal lantern]

all your stat prioritys change over time

[hybrid magnet]

hey boys whats the aoe rotaion with masster assasin skill?

[royal lantern]

you dont really do aoe stuff when you take master assassin

its a raid talent, and if you play assassination in raids its mostly because of your st dmg

[hybrid magnet]

ya but the most boss in the new raid is with aoe ;)^^

[rigid mango]

You don't aoe.

[tropic ocean]

@vocal ginkgo i got crit/mastery and crit/vers

they are super decent and will probably be for rest of xpac

[hybrid magnet]

ok next quastion in the boss fight i hafe vanish rdy whats is the rotation for masster assassin

[tropic ocean]

mutilate rupture mutilate garrote essence vendetta tb vanish envenom

unless playing bote

then its mut rup mut garrote vendetta tb essence vanish envenom

[rigid mango]

Opener stuff is in the pins (:

[hybrid magnet]

ty

[vocal ginkgo]

@tropic ocean ye the stats simming highest for me rn are vers>mastery>crit so that sounds good

[wanton pond]

dumb question

how do i sim pots?

.>

[tropic ocean]

do multiple sims

with different potions

[wanton pond]

how do you select them tho ?

i dont see

nvm i see

[surreal solar]

NP/HoD, NP/DD, or DD/HoD personal opinions, i've already simmed

[scarlet sequoia]

dd/hod

[manic prism]

When am i suppose to use BoTe in my opener? right after vendetta or before vendetta?

[turbid galleon]

vendetta>toxic blades>bote>vanish

[strange python]

@wanton pond https://pastebin.com/txEUcS69

you can add that to your /simc and sim in advanced

[manic prism]

so after the opener, do i save BoTe for my next vend/vanish combo or do i use it on CD with like a tb?

[tropic ocean]

yes

u save it for vend/vanish

[manic prism]

Alrighty thanks for the info!

[dense blaze]

How correct is it to use Vision of Perfection minor on Mythic Wrathion

Top log used it but he also has 8m appendage damage somehow

[lusty narwhal]

Whatever sims highest for you is correct

[dense blaze]

Are you joking with me

[lusty narwhal]

No lol

There are a few viable options atm

Depends if you want to be a pad lord or not too

[dense blaze]

We don't do that in my parts

[strange python]

simming or padding?

[dense blaze]

Padding

I don't think you can play without sims

[quasi pewter]

simming is obviously only 100% accurate for patchwerk fights

and wrathion isnt

vision can work because his phases cuck ur 2 mins

[plain moon]

What does the timing look like for vends as VoP on wrath

about to look at logs of the top guy but would be nice if somebody already knows and can explain

[quasi pewter]

i didnt use it because i dont care about logs

so i have no idea

[dense blaze]

His parse is inflated by 8m appendage damage so I don't know if it's actually good

[plain moon]

I mean I got a good parse last week without it, but id like to still play the best I can

[quasi pewter]

its definitely good

[plain moon]

people were talking about it last week before this guy did it

[quasi pewter]

its not only 1 person using it that got good corruption rng

[dense blaze]

I'm gonna try it myself here in half an hour

[plain moon]

im standing in front of wrath right now about to pull

[quasi pewter]

its pretty obvious that having 2 more vendettas or whatever he is getting is superior to a different minor

[plain moon]

Yeah I just what to see where he uses his vends

[chilly marsh]

EV 50% nerf is live ?

[rigid mango]

No

They're delaying nerfs to next week.

[dense blaze]

https://gyazo.com/0db9511e50149eba42209b00d8116a55

[chilly marsh]

hum nice to know

[hidden bay]

Vision minor works perfectly, even while playing scales

[crisp hollow]

do I just drop infinite stars for maut? I got clapped at 5 stacks at 70% lmao

the proc + bleeds + autoattack just railed me

[cobalt pelican]

vop makes it so that you get like

6 vends instead of 3 on an 8:50er

or something like that

obviously lower impact vends cause font and vanish only ever other

[strange python]

probably wouldn't use font when playing vop would you?

[cobalt pelican]

there's no like loss for playing font with vop on wrathion over playing font without vop

cause your font vend is the 3min one whether you play vop or not

i played deadeyes but kinda regretted it i think

[plain moon]

What do I do with coral. I assume I still stack my font and coral vends instead of splitting them or am i wrong?

[cobalt pelican]

not actually sure what's mathematically better in that case tbh

i'd imagine stacking on every other

but it's just a guess

[strange python]

probably yeah, won't get many stacks during intermission

[plain moon]

yeah I mean more agi would mean more crit is just better

[drifting cloud]

well the next 15 are

[plain moon]

playing font I lost a vend cast with VoP

I think if you play font you need to not use 2x on use on one of them

[cobalt pelican]

not sure how you'd lose a cast

unless you killed it in like <8:30

font start, 3min, 7min

(basically every vend proceeding a smoke and mirrors)

[worthy moon]

Does anyone know if raidbots is up to date with the new corruption DPS?

[drifting cloud]

yes because they havent been nerfed/buffed yet

[worthy moon]

When are they getting nerfed/buffed?

[reef herald]

Guys what do we do at Nzoth? In spirit phase i never know who to target, by the time i get both bleeds up on a tentacle, its already dead, so i figure its better to dps psychus down?

[cobalt pelican]

on reset next week

and the sims will likely be updated a bit after that cause i imagine they'll wait for confirmed full notes before commiting anything

[vast forum]

@reef herald mostly focus on psychus, you can put bleeds on a tentacle in advance

[reef herald]

Aight will do, thanks

[plain moon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/qHNdLjJ19RXFGBQ7#fight=2&type=damage-done i'm Liamr so you can see how I missed a cast

kill was 8:51 and vend was like 1sec from coming off CD

[cobalt pelican]

oh like

your 3rd vend was way later than mine somehow

yeah you like

envenomed 3 times before pressing it

[plain moon]

That's right after shards right? did you guys just blast them way faster

env 3 times before font or vend?

[cobalt pelican]

i fonted just as wrathion was hitting like 98 energy

because at 100 the phase ends

and i didn't really waste time hanging around on the perfect vend line up

like you did rupt gar mut font into 12 seconds of mut envs

i wasn't playing coral so i was much more free to just fire it off randomly but it's definitely not worth holding it for that long to try and line it up when tb is ready already anyway

[plain moon]

Yeah thats what I was saying, for one of them I dont think we can hold vend for 2x on use

because i fonted 3:40

[cobalt pelican]

you can, you just gotta be way more loose with your coral lineup

[dense blaze]

Did they increase the chance for negative corruption effects to occur, I swear I am seeing more eyes and things from beyond today compared to the other day

[earnest quiver]

is galecaller's a bait? It's around 1200 simdps increase for me, but I feel like in a lot of raid pulls I end up popping it on the opener and have to move a few seconds later when the tanks reposition.

[cobalt pelican]

you'll get less value out of it in reality than in sim bt like

at 1200 gain it's going to be better for you anyway

[earnest quiver]

that's fair

the other options are a 425 cannon, 420 electromental, and cyclotronic so it makes sense

[plain moon]

Yeah idk if its worth to line up coral loosly. think it's just better to only font for that third vend and eithr hold coral stacks for 5th vend or just only coral 4th

[cobalt pelican]

maybe, i think the optimal play is just to font at like 85 energy or something

or on the last couple spikes if you're tidying house

but if you're tidying it's kinda hard to gauge a decent 10 sec buffer for font

if it's energy based it's super easy to just get it perfectly ready to fire vend instantly

[zenith gust]

@dense blaze i felt the same way yesterday at this time morenor less. I had 4 things from beyond following at the same time at Nzoth.... also negative effects seem to overlap more often. Idk.

[plain moon]

yeah I fonted just before he phased to try to gain some time but I could of fonted earlier

[rich raft]

hi guys should i use one twist the knife always, or two Nothing personal its better, raidbots said 2 nothing personal but idk

[rigid mango]

There's no requirement to have ttk ever

It's a mid tier trait

[cobalt pelican]

twist the knife is an instant yeet this tier unless you somehow get carapace chest and nothing else

[rich raft]

im running this rigth now

but i get maut head 475 with same traits as mi head but have ttk to so

[cobalt pelican]

don't the shoulders have heart of darkness

is that just not better for you than the 2nd np

[rich raft]

yep

[cobalt pelican]

do you have 25 corruption

[rich raft]

30

should i change shouldr NP for heart?

[cobalt pelican]

just trust the sim but make sure you're simming them properly

[rich raft]

and leave head same?

[cobalt pelican]

you can just do a top gear and link it if you want

[rich raft]

i did and raid bots said my actualy is the top damage

[cobalt pelican]

it's not impossible

[rich raft]

the image one

[cobalt pelican]

you can link it if you want and i'll take a look

[rich raft]

ok, leet me run it again with all the comb

lol wtf

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4HSGFan3nHY11nVqGeZvYT

[cobalt pelican]

hectic add cleave kinda a no go

[rich raft]

oh sorry hahahaha

dot chance for outlaw

dont*

here

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kSpPz2nStp95Qm3DFUfRLT

looks like one NP and two heart of darknes

[rigid mango]

You simming for something special or?

What's the reasoning for 8 min

[rich raft]

idk, usuali boss take 6-8 min i think

[rigid mango]

Yeah but I'd recommend just simming 5 min

It's the benchmark for sims and easiest way to compare

Increasing/decreasing the time can make the apl do funky shit that ends up with incorrect info and easily avoidable misconceptions, unfortunatly.

[maiden raptor]

Is echoing blades mandatory to put out high multi target dmg? i feel like my aoe is lackluster but singeltarget is okaish. And also how would you sim for multitarget? Like just increase the number of bosses in the settings?

[rigid mango]

Multi target i.e m+?

Because it's not mandatory but definetly one of the best.

Generally I wouldn't say EB has any use in raid outside of hivemind.

[maiden raptor]

yea talking m+

[rigid mango]

Then yeah, more or less required.

[cobalt pelican]

seems about what i'd expect though fuma, 1np 2hod

[rigid mango]

It's essential if you want to reach the high highs of sin, same for shrouded.

[maiden raptor]

I see. good to know. Also in multi target on how many targets is it worth to apply rupture?

[wet ruin]

is the thing from beyond dmg aoe? so we can feint it

[amber tiger]

U can fok that lil shite and kite it for a few seconds 😁

Or cloak it 😁

[sacred rock]

So we have any guesstimates on the upcoming nerf of EV and how it will be in relation to other corruptions? (I got a rank 3 one just minuttes before learning about the nerf 😢 )

[quasi pewter]

just look at herodamage

and half the dps/corruption

~

[cobalt pelican]

it'll be like, a perfectly servicable corruption to fill your budget if you're low on options but not v good anywhere except like 3-4t+

[sacred rock]

Well, i guess it will be decent for m+ atleast, but better enjoy the week i have left in raids.

[raw tusk]

hey guys getting back into playing after about six months was. outlaw thinkin of switching assasin. any big changes or new things i should know about?

[wet ruin]

so how does the corruption work with stacking

do they work separately with separate proc chance or they just stack to one with more dmg

[cobalt pelican]

more dam

they function more or less identically to how azerite traits do

[drifting cosmos]

is the drop for C/S lv3 from pvp weekly chest random numbers? or higher rating gives more?

i mean c/s lv2 to 3

[drifting cloud]

its based on rating

[drifting cosmos]

ok thanks

[amber tiger]

Guys how accurate is simmimg dungeon slice on raidbots for mythic+?

Is there a better method to sim for mythic*?

[next solar]

hm, so mythic mauts obsidian phase can be rather obnoxious in not killing yourself lol gotta hold back

[neon sedge]

Can anyone help me with simc. I have to much corruption gear 🤦‍♂️

[white wyvern]

Sure. Put a max on using the slider and sim.

[neon sedge]

Yeah I have the heroic and normal dagger from fury

So it’s causing issues

[next solar]

cleanse the normal one

[neon sedge]

Can u stack them?

[next solar]

not worth the corruption stack

[neon sedge]

Have dagger from wrath too

So maybe use heroic with that and sim

[full sandal]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[clear remnant]

Hey, does elaborate planning damage buff effect major essence damage? e.g focusing iris?

[amber tiger]

What do you mean by put a max on using the slider?

[strange python]

that was for chaoticpeach

and for m+ simming as assa it's not that easy as far as i know

you can try remove bloodlust, set the time down and sim patchwerk with multiple bosses

[amber tiger]

what options do you recommend? how many bosses and how long?

sorry im fairly new to simming

[strange python]

if you click on "show more options" you can untick bloodlust

and maybe 6 with 1.5min? not sure on that one

[amber tiger]

alright thanks 🙂

so dunggeon slice is not accurate rit?

[strange python]

dont think it is for us

[amber tiger]

alright tahnks 🙂

[strange python]

honestly just slap crit/mastery gear on and as many ss/eb as possible and off you go

[amber tiger]

yeah i figurd as muc but i just got a few hhaste gear and my sims show those are my optimal pieeces

[open reef]

Are herodamage or bloodmallet updated up to last corruption hotfixes?

[drifting cloud]

the hotfixes wont be live for 5days

[open reef]

Ok so I guess from New reset per time Zones?

[balmy condor]

Yes, the hotfixes for the announced corruption changes are coming with the next reset, Tuesday the 11th for na, Wednesday the 12th for eu

[strange python]

I got a question

Can u somehow increase the procrate of mindflay

Or is this guy super lucky

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9wLKC78VHAWBPbpg#fight=67&type=damage-done&source=16

[glacial steppe]

Any reason why both Raden trinkets are suddenly quite decent in sims? If I sim them for myself they are both a downgrade but according to Bloodmallet they should be quite decent

[distant lava]

It's rng

Happens

[strange python]

Idk just wanted to know if u can play around it with more haste or w.e ty i guess

[distant lava]

It's probably hasted

But you just use what your sim tells you to use

[glacial steppe]

Too bad, thought I could finally drop Font

[drowsy snow]

If bloodmallet is anything like hero damage, it sims with a bunch of gushing wound corruptions. That’s probably why vita sims higher on their charts.

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fMTi64kvxVRPxFhEgd8Aq9 anything i can min max here? have a couple t2 flay pieces and t2 echoin void i could swap in with maybe breath minor

maybe pick up a gushing wounds

focused resolve + big mech would give 300 dps more

idk about other food

I don't even look at IS sims, it's straight 10k more dps to normal people

[mighty elm]

Big help

[next solar]

my t2 EV on a 445 item outsims my t3 IS on another 445 item :L(

[strange python]

Well ev nerf isn't in sims yet, is it

[next solar]

no

[mighty elm]

So happy I never seen a EV item on my rog

[fallow otter]

I was hoping deadly momentum was going to be decent but it looks like it's still going to be a bit behind

[worldly ledge]

I made a sim yesterday and I am confused a bit.
I have 3DD 1TW 1NP 1 HoD. After the the top gear sim it tolds me that 1DD 1 NP 1TW 3 HoD is the best for me. Is it real? I mean 3DD made 1.2-1.7mio dmg. Should I really change to that?

[next solar]

hoa?

[strange python]

just link the sim

[lusty narwhal]

The temptation to roll is so real

[worldly ledge]

Cant. I am at the hospital and my sims are at home. Ill ask that question later, when i have the sim

@next solar HoD. Edited, sorry

[ashen magnet]

good morning guys, is the EV nerf already live?

[lusty narwhal]

no

next reset

[ashen magnet]

so tomorrow?

[strange python]

next week

[ashen magnet]

ah ok u mean weekly reset, thank u

so i need to hard abuse EV this week 😄

[strange python]

focused resole is better now?

seems to be simming higher for me and you

[worldly ledge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aiKrFQnfMcKRgdp9wgGwHC

I made a quick sim. This is the setup I made yesterday. 3dd 1np 1tw 1 hod TO 3hod 1dd 1 np 1tw

[strange python]

and why dont you believe your sim?

[mighty elm]

@lusty narwhal when did they change it to next reset ? They said 24h last night

Nvm found it

[worldly ledge]

and why dont you believe your sim?
@strange python cause I saw the top rogues on WClogs and few of them uses these setup. Usually 2dd 2hod and tw or np. Thats why I asked the question. I am not top player and I just wanted to know that my sim is correct

[strange python]

i believe thats because of the ilvl

just use what sims best for you

[worldly ledge]

@strange python thank you!

[velvet nacelle]

there's something immensely satisfying about doing 5 minutes on a training dummy and having the damage distribution line up almost to the tenth of a percent with my sim

i mean training dummy whatever, but still was like "ooh, i did it!"

[lean coral]

do we use focused resolve now?

[drifting nimbus]

i think twisted appendage is the way now 😛

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sgD4yeGVsU5VDS2FU5G4yo

on some of my logs it is on place 1 in dps

[dark crag]

On mine it's dog shit

Wrathion mythic it did a bit more than td and i have 2 tentacle boys

Meanwhile other rogue with is did 2.5 mio with it alone

[drifting nimbus]

ye

[crimson palm]

RNG bruh

[drifting nimbus]

it is like poisenbomb rng in good old days

[mighty elm]

Well I got r3 + r2 appendages and that shit S L A P S

[dark crag]

In assaults it slaps players

[short arch]

Twisted Appendage is cool, especially since its unlikely to be nerfed. Infinite Stars on the other hand..

[strange python]

I have taken off my rank 3 EV even before the nerf. Rip my carry

[distant lava]

Why would they nerf IS ?

[rocky ruin]

IS on singel target nice but if adds coming to fight its going down very fast

[harsh sphinx]

the old stars sims

[muted fable]

Hey everyone. I'm new to this Discord, so first of all thank you for running those helpful discords. I'm struggling alot in Raids. I think mostly because I still screw my rotation sometimes, but I have many questions about gear/stats/traits/essences and I really hope some people could help me out here.

For me it looks like every guide tells something different. Lets start with Stats. I went for Haste > Mastery > Crit > Vers > Agi, now Raidbots tells me my Stat Weights are Crit > Haste > Vers > Mastery > Agi. People told me there is a cap for Vers (10%) which I couldn't find so far. Why and how can the Stats change if there are no known Caps or nothing on the class/patch has changed?

Essences: It seems like most guides doesn't match those charts like Bloodmallet where it shows the strengths of each Essence (based on rank). At least on this point Simming matches the chart. What to believe now?

Traits: There are Traits on the Bloodmallet Charts which I've never seen anyone running so far. The worst part about Traits right now are that often the recommended Traits doesn't match the Players current state who wrote the guides. I know here is RNG a thing because you have to use what you get, but It's ahrd to believe a guide if it feels like everyone is running different ones on Warcraftlogs.

Corruption: Haven't read to much on this one tbh. I go with max 39 because i got 2k dps more with 59 but I get way more damage and have to move. Don't think this is worth it.

So far my sources were: method/icyveins/wowhead/bloodmallet/warcraftlogs/raidbots.
I'm thankful for all kinds of help. If you would like to help in Voicechat I'm up for it. Thank you. Have a good day everyone.

[scarlet sequoia]

well bro u dont go for any specific stat, sim yourself (top gear on raidbots) and use whatever comes out as the best.
as for essences that also depends on your gear, so again sim yourself and use whatever comes out best.
traits u surprisingly, sim yourself, again.
59 corruption isnt too bad, thing from beyond can be a bit unlucky at times but mostly doesnt do much even after the fix its not a big problem, some bosses its prolly a very good idea to stay below 40 corruption tho

[strange python]

is the answer to all of it

[muted fable]

Okay. So far I Sim 1 Boss 5 Minutes for Raids and 5 Bosses 40 Seconds (both Patchwork) for Mythic+. Is this fine?

[tropic ocean]

yes

patchwerk for 5 bosses 40 sec gives a rough idea on aoe, its not super accurate though

usually you do a lot more than sim suggests on 5 mob aoe

[vestal wren]

who made the conclusion that 5 bosses 40 sec sims are a good estimate for m+ ?

[tropic ocean]

cuz u usually pull 5 mobs

[vestal wren]

i see everyone use it by why is this taken over anything remotely reliable

[tropic ocean]

and fight them for ~40sec or a little more

🤔

[vestal wren]

bloodlust is 40 secs, might be bc. of that

[muted fable]

I'd like to get one last time back on one question: Why and how can the Stats change if there are no known Caps or nothing on the class/patch has changed? I remember back in the Days it was like go full haste until you reach some cap then try to get more of 2 other stats. How can it differ today so much?

[tropic ocean]

because different traits/spells are influenced by different stats

corruptions too

and afaik pumping one stat brings up the other due to dr

so e.g. if u use 3x furious gaze on demon hunter which gives u239203290 haste

your haste will get devalued

[strange python]

wasnt that because there were breakpoints where youd get 1 more tick of x

[tropic ocean]

and vers crit will get better

[muted fable]

So my conclusion would be if Simcraft says Mainstat is Crit and I change Gems/Enchants to crit I should get a higher sim result? Gonna check it out in a moment

[tropic ocean]

yes

use top gear for simming

[scarlet sequoia]

u prolly need raidbots premium for that

[tropic ocean]

so u dont need to change ur items all day but raidbots will do it for u

[storm perch]

you may do gear compare, changing gems/enchants on items - no need to premium. It will show you higher sim result

[vestal wren]

if you are carefull with your combinations you dont need premium

but premium is cheap and you can skip wait time so its def. worth

[muted fable]

So far free is fine for me, but I guess I'll get premium anyway. I split my sims Gear / Talents / Essences / Gems&Enchants

[cosmic prism]

is the vita charged titan shard meant to sim higher than font? hero dmg says it should sim higher by a lot

[strange python]

herodamage doesn't account for the font+coral combo

afaik

it also has bis corruptions which scale with haste

[tropic ocean]

@cosmic prism depends on the ilvl of your font

probably mythic vita can outsim 445 font

[cosmic prism]

i have 430 font and 460 vita which font sims higher for, tbh i dont like using font so i want to replace it asap 😦

[tropic ocean]

idk depends on rest of gear too i guess

460 vit aoutsim my 435 font

[crimson palm]

475 scale outsims 430 font with WV

[cosmic prism]

world vein?

[crimson palm]

y

but it'll add some variance to your dps

font is more reliable

[cosmic prism]

actually vita is only simming 7 dps lower atm which is pretty much the same with variance

we good 🙂

[tropic ocean]

not using wv mostly but bote

but with wv too, y

[cosmic prism]

dont even have bote who grinds that aids

[tropic ocean]

well someone that wants to raid at a good level

😄

or do higher m+

[cosmic prism]

im 2/12m fuck it dood

bote is for chumps

[tropic ocean]

or whoever wants to do the best for his character

[crimson palm]

bote is piss easy to farm during honor week

[tropic ocean]

its such a strong and versatile essence

[cosmic prism]

like how many hours we talking?

[tropic ocean]

idk I farmed it when it was still 50k honor

and it took 3 or 4 days but

I didnt grind all day but on and off so idk

[cosmic prism]

[tropic ocean]

so hard to estimate net time

and I did it with normal bg not bot arathi

so there was a lot of losses as well

[royal lantern]

if you dont wanna hard grind

do your daily bg wins outside of the bonus honor week

[mighty elm]

Or just use iris

[tropic ocean]

[strange python]

bot arathi is the best arathi

[modest tendon]

Boring though

[strange python]

If it wasnt for this wonderful sin community, i would never have had BoTE. I wasnt aware of the bots in arathi

[muted fable]

Do you guys use Food and Potions based on Stat Weights at your current Gear, or do you just always use Superior Battle Potion of Agility and FEASTS

[modest tendon]

Mechagon food is better than feasts I believe

Also what scenario do you use superior battle pots in?

It seems kind of niche

Unbridled for ST and proximity for aoe seem to be best

Also I don’t think many people use stat food depending on their stat weights

[storm perch]

aren't resolve better than unbridled?

[modest tendon]

For your food buff while raiding you should be eating the food for the secondary stat that your scale factors says is highest.

For potions you have to choose depending on the situation. Potion of Unbridled Fury is the pick for 1-3 targets. For more targets you want to use a Potion of Empowered Proximity.

I should be checking stat weights for best food

I won’t be however

[warm parcel]

Just use big macs

Cheap

[obsidian dew]

What about gems? Should I even still use the 120 agi instead of 50 secondary stat?

[royal lantern]

the answer too almost everything with stats

[obsidian dew]

Sims are sometimes a bit weird mate

Especially with some essences and corruption

[idle ember]

I'm using the mythic Wrathion trinket over a 435 font even though it sims a bit lower. It played havoc with my stats but I regret nothing. ... but somebody tell me it's ok plz.

[modest tendon]

Feel over sims?

[faint harness]

its ok

in the end, you play what you want

[mighty elm]

Cale no one can answer your question besides the sims tho

[obsidian dew]

Sim is telling me my, as outlaw, to use mastery corruption over crit.

[modest tendon]

Use it then 😛

[mighty elm]

Well u asked about gems

[obsidian dew]

Yeah didn’t really trust sim after that

So I got around asking

[mighty elm]

What crit and what mastery corruption is it you’re talking about?

[modest tendon]

I don’t think you can possibly feel the difference between those two corruptions

Sims are the way 😛

[obsidian dew]

The corruptions that gives flat mastery on chance or crit on chance when you attack? What else is there

[shy dust]

Sim it.

[mighty elm]

Those that gives u more crit/mastery from sources

[shy dust]

Sims are generally reliable

[obsidian dew]

Oh

Haven’t seen those yet

[mighty elm]

But yea sim it

And get some non bin corruptions

[rigid mango]

Any 7k lossers from nerfs?

[mighty elm]

[obsidian dew]

[marble hemlock]

nah

cant lose dps when you dont play EV :>

[raven mica]

call the ambalamb holy shit

[marble hemlock]

cost me 8mil :/

[raven mica]

This dude is balling out of contr

Those were BOES???

[mighty elm]

Was it worth tho

Are they slapping

[marble hemlock]

yeah

[raven mica]

Probably a total of about

[marble hemlock]

gonna see during raid tonight

[raven mica]

8-9k DPS

[marble hemlock]

just nice not having to worry about

[mighty elm]

What y sim?

[marble hemlock]

too much corruption

72k post nerf

rest of my gear is kinda trash

[mighty elm]

Hm corruption ?

[marble hemlock]

35

[raven mica]

But you got those slots locked in for the rest of the expac

[mighty elm]

O dam

[marble hemlock]

just 3 gushing+twisted from dagger

[turbid osprey]

72k

[mighty elm]

I have same numbers but play 56 corr

[turbid osprey]

Is playing 40-60 corruption easy to do?

[marble hemlock]

no

id highly recommedn against it

[turbid osprey]

Was thinking other than blind it’s kind of tough lol

[mighty elm]

I find it easy tho, coming from 60+ just started playing sub 60 this week

As rog especially

[marble hemlock]

yeah in raid its probably doable without too much trouble

[turbid osprey]

What do you do? Kidney it?

[raven mica]

Other specs can save their vanish for it

[marble hemlock]

blind/cloak

kidney is unreliable

[scarlet sequoia]

its like 170k hits its nothing to worry about

[marble hemlock]

due to having to be in meleerange

yeah

[turbid osprey]

Or just let it hit you

[marble hemlock]

if theres no raid damage incoming

[turbid osprey]

Haha

[marble hemlock]

you can just get hit

[mighty elm]

I mean u have blind ,2x cloak, cheat death

[turbid osprey]

Might yolo it on farm night tonight

[raven mica]

Seeing a thing from beyond proc on maut p2

[potent raft]

[turbid osprey]

[scarlet sequoia]

only boss where its prolly not a good idea is ra-den

rest of the bosses are literally whatever

[mighty elm]

Mythic or?

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[raven mica]

Yea, heroic gets slammed out in 2-3 hours by most guilds now

[scarlet sequoia]

just feint

[mighty elm]

Dog is kinda cancer if u get that slow in a bad time

[potent raft]

play with over 40 corruption, and elusive talent

feint before the hit

ez. ;D

[mighty elm]

Thinking I’ll waste energy on feint

[raven mica]

But then you can’t 4head a mechanic and get saved by cheat death

[mighty elm]

I rather die

[turbid osprey]

Don’t need cheat death if you play right kek

[marble hemlock]

thats 3gushing and 1t3 echo (unnerfed)

45 corruption vs 60 🙂

please dont nerf me ddy 😦

[zenith wren]

Imagine having 150 corruption resist at endpatch and stacking all corruptions without consequence

[storm perch]

how does it work, belt 450ilvl with socket and twisted appendage simed lower than 420ilvl with no socket and ineffable truth? changing belts is around 1.5k dps gain/loss...

[zenith wren]

My 425 echoing void 3 simmed 2.5k dps higher than 470 with echoing void 2

Both being boots no socket

[scarlet sequoia]

naturally

[faint harness]

its dmg isnt based on ilvl

[turbid osprey]

Not for ev

EV is hp%

[zenith wren]

Yeah, corruption value>stats

[storm perch]

but guide said ineffable truth is bad corr effect, isn't it?

twisted appendage is mid tier

[rigid mango]

Very

[faint harness]

TA sims really bad

for some reasno

[royal lantern]

twisted is weird

[faint harness]

it has heavy swings in RNG so i guess the mean dps isnt that good

[rigid mango]

It's very high variance

[royal lantern]

cus sometimes it never procs

and then its #2dps^^

its probably the most rng corruption

[raven mica]

I mean y’all probably seen the heroic raden kill where it did 50k DPS

[faint harness]

Wasnt that also a T5

[ashen solar]

TA has had such a bad proc rate for me in prog

[storm perch]

so what belt should be equipped?)))

[ashen solar]

whatever belt sims best for you

[fading vigil]

So I got a question, I’ve been gone for a year and some months. Coming back as of two days ago. Is crit Nd haste still that stat for assasination

[white wyvern]

Just sim.

[fading vigil]

Lmao, I do aim. But are we still primarily aiming for those kindve stats

Just subbed to raid bots as well 🙏🏽🙏🏽

[white wyvern]

You don't need to aim for stats, just do what the sim says.

[ashen solar]

Stats are too volatile depending on your gear to have a definite thing to go for

[sage forum]

yeah currently all my stat weights from lowest to highest are separated by about 0.4. I feel like generally it's just going to be a "use the best ilevel" or just sim because it's going to change any time you equip a new piece

[ashen solar]

If you want to find something that's better, try running droptimizer

That will show you what gear you want to aim for at the present moment

[dense blaze]

Mine are .08 from top to bottom lmao

[ashen solar]

Idr what mine are, I dont sim stat weights often at all

My mage has versatility on top by far though, which I expected due to it being my lowest stat

[sage forum]

0.54 spread

[ashen solar]

lol

[dense blaze]

You wanna see a clean spread?

[ashen solar]

I'm interested

[dense blaze]

https://gyazo.com/bfb1857ae394857abf231fdb999756bb

[sage forum]

oh my, that's juicy

[ashen solar]

Wow

My mage has like, so much haste

It's my lowest valued stat by a lot

[sullen pagoda]

https://i.imgur.com/lOEXA6V.png my haste

[fading vigil]

Yea I appreciate it bro!

Gah damn 70k sim

Almost spit out my fucking coffee haha!

[sage forum]

lol have you guys seen hunter ST sims? i saw one simming 85k ST dps

[sullen pagoda]

im ready for that EV nerf all my corruptions are mind flay basically

[fading vigil]

85k !!!!!! 💔💔💔💔😱😱😱😱

[dense blaze]

I'm excited for the crit buff

[sage forum]

have we heard when the EV nerf is coming?

[dense blaze]

During the reset

[final dust]

Tuesday

[sage forum]

oh wow not until tuesday?

they made it sound like an instahotfix

[dense blaze]

People complained

[sullen pagoda]

they postponed it cuz of worldfirst race

[sage forum]

yeah I had that thought. Limit already hitting enrage timer

EV 50% nerf, game over

[sullen pagoda]

yea basically they invested all the gold in EV, changing now is really hard for both guilds

[plain thistle]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/syqHMtD4WF7pooJsEzkCsw god damn font ☹️

[dense blaze]

Big fan of font myself

[fallen sapphire]

Is anyone running above 39 corruption for Wrathion mythic?

[sage forum]

ugh, not me. I don't like standing still

[sullen pagoda]

yea i went 50 i think last kill

[dense blaze]

Lots of people doing 90 corruption

[sullen pagoda]

wrathion is really whatever

[ashen solar]

Wrathion is fairly easy

Should be fine

[fallen sapphire]

Outside of cloak usage, would feint or CoS work on thing from beyond?

[sage forum]

question, can you not sim multiple pieces of corruption on TopGear? I'm trying to just click all my corruption so it can sim what's best (and my cap is set at 39) but it just gives me a warning that it would make me go above

[fallen sapphire]

You can but just increase the corruption cap

But also remember to include any essences you have that give corruption resistance

[sage forum]

well then wouldn't it just end up with all of my corrupted gear on? I want to sim what the best combination is to use while staying under 39

[dense blaze]

@fallen sapphire You can do a /target macro to blind it

[fallen sapphire]

And you'll have to do alternative pieces of non-corrupted gear for each slots

Oh awesome, I knew it could be stunned which is obviously do-able as outlaw but didn't know about blind

[ashen solar]

Have you tried simming with the purification option?

[fallen sapphire]

Will cloak of shadows mitigate it?

Or feint reduce it's damage?

[ashen solar]

Feint should mitigate some of it, idk about cloak

[dense blaze]

Cloak negates the damage, don't know about feint

[fallen sapphire]

I wouldn't purify any piece of gear tbh

[ashen solar]

Feint is flat dr so it should work

But you would need elusiveness

[dense blaze]

If it is AoE yes but that's something I wanna find out

[ashen solar]

I doubt it would work without elusiveness

[faint harness]

its not aoe

the thing melees you

and thats the dmg

[dense blaze]

A shadow damage melee

Or any type of magical melee, you can cloak the damage it does but if you're playing cascading it will still spawn an eye

[faint harness]

the eye isnt aoe either

[fallen sapphire]

God I cant even imagine playing above 59

[faint harness]

tried feinting it

[fallen sapphire]

I guess no-one really wants to run elusiveness over cheat death though

[dense blaze]

Just have your healers carry you

[faint harness]

cheat death can save you from a bad thing

[fading vigil]

I’m sorry I’m still learning what is EV?

[faint harness]

echoing void

[shy dust]

Echoing void a corruption

[faint harness]

Honestly i rarely trigger cheat death on encounters unless we're wiping anyway

So having that for the thing is prob good

[fading vigil]

Okay thank you

[dense blaze]

cheat death is what keeps you alive when the group screws up at <1% and it's up to you to finish the boss

[tropic ocean]

huge nurf

😢

[faint harness]

yooch

[tropic ocean]

76k->68k

[worldly ledge]

!opener

sad

[tropic ocean]

Simple Opener Priority:
If first mut is 4cp: Mut rup mut gar
if first mut is <4cp: Mut mut rup gar mut
Finish both with CLF>Vend>Tb>Vanish or Vend>TB>Bote>Vanish dependant on major essence.

[crimson palm]

@dense blaze i thought you can't macro target the thing

[dense blaze]

You can do mouseover targeting for it without switching targets @crimson palm

[buoyant kraken]

has anyone tested 3x SS and 3x heart of darkness in dungeons?

[wanton pond]

has raidbots been updated with new corruption values?

[faint harness]

@tropic ocean you're dropping 8k dps

from the nerf

[tropic ocean]

ye

[faint harness]

Woot

how many EVs do you have

[tropic ocean]

2

[faint harness]

2 t2

?

[tropic ocean]

y

[faint harness]

makes sense

[scarlet sequoia]

@wanton pond doesnt rly happen till next reset

check pins in #wow-general and u can sim urself with ev nerfs

[tropic ocean]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/j8QxK7ES6a7KzsJdCnwRWB

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wQwtUk1F4xqXVaLuo3DZd3

feelsbad

[turbid osprey]

[wanton pond]

oh i thought they went through for some reason

thanks

[scarlet sequoia]

@tropic ocean 70 corruption

u ok bro 😄

[wanton pond]

manz whispering to nzoth

[tropic ocean]

@scarlet sequoia just for sim

usually play with -10 corruption minor

[royal lantern]

tbh, most people do that cus the minors are good

[dense blaze]

Minor rank 3 will pump

[atomic willow]

a cpl people in my guild ran the spark of inspiration essence and had 95% uptime. Is this simming lower then it should cuz you can't adjust the uptime?

as a minor

[cobalt pelican]

a lot of the observed uptime will be given to you from other people which is irrelevant of what you choose like

what was your uptime from it without it slotted, do you have logs?

cause sim uptime is ~58% but that's from a single user of it, the rest you can't really count cause it's unimportant whether you have it or not afaik

[wary ice]

are the pins updated with the inc nerfs to Corruption?

[cobalt pelican]

nop

[wary ice]

tyty

[atomic willow]

@cobalt pelican It's early and I meant The formless void

[cobalt pelican]

oh

in that case it currently sims at close to 100% uptime

like 92-94%

20 seconds up, 2 seconds down

[atomic willow]

thanks

[cobalt pelican]

a slider will probably eventually get added to the raidbots gui, you can change it manually in advanced sim if you wanted to check it out but the sim uptime should be pretty reflective of a group with flame players rn i guess

[atomic willow]

that's what i wanted to know

[crimson palm]

has anyone simmed the minor?

compared to the breath if you need the corr resist

i got the rank3 yesterday

forgot to sim it

[wanton pond]

where is breath of the dying from again?

[arctic walrus]

No it’s totally secret and nobody has bothered

[wanton pond]

exalted with uldum ?

[arctic walrus]

Ye

[wanton pond]

worddd

[arctic sinew]

Which we’ll get a year from now

[wanton pond]

eh

im pretty close

[arctic sinew]

I want to swap from human but rep grinds

[wanton pond]

other than raid nights basically been doing every day

alliance eh

[arctic sinew]

I just hit revered, I missed a bunch thanks to work

[wanton pond]

you didnt quit your job for wow

?

rookie mistakes

[cobalt pelican]

i think the nerds who do every wq on the map get it next reset sometime

[arctic walrus]

@quasi pewter 👆

[crimson palm]

it's around 400 extra rep/day

should be in 2 resets

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/76LtYDDtiRNjdeHLjMq5u1 formless void > breath

[scarlet sequoia]

until breath rank 3

then breath is about 1.5k dps better

[crimson palm]

ye i meant for now

[bleak spoke]

man i thought vita was supposed to beat font by a decent margin

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tkKsEswgi5WDDSByJYkwv3

[arctic walrus]

It don’t

But

[bleak spoke]

what it's looking like is that there's no reason really to run vita over font

[arctic walrus]

Since timings are so shit this tier

It’s more of a gain in real world applications

Imo

[bleak spoke]

oh yeah i guess they are a bit

normally though downtime would favor the font innit

[sterile ocean]

whys the set bonus not simming high?

[arctic walrus]

I don’t think so much of the downtime but the annoyance of double on use, where you don’t strictly play it perfectly could lose you out on some value

[bleak spoke]

cuz set proc coinciding with cds is rare

and hard to imagine a world where we hold cds for set proc

[sterile ocean]

was gonna say you would figure it be simming high thats alot of agi you get

[bleak spoke]

honestly the crit/haste stack from the trinkets themselves are way stronger than the agi

[arctic walrus]

Honestly though vita might lose some value pretty soon after ev nerf

[bleak spoke]

it's not even a lot of agi

like worldvein minor gives more agi than set bonus

@arctic walrus i don't have any ev tho

[sterile ocean]

1000 agi is alot : /

[rigid mango]

Sockted mythic one loses to my font

(:)

[bleak spoke]

do you have a socketed mythic font zine

[rigid mango]

Not socketed.

Baseline

[bleak spoke]

mine's 435, the agi jump in 10 ilevels is actually significant though

[bleak spoke]

ther'es absolutely no way we go back to azshara tho

what corruptions do you have again zine

[rigid mango]

t2 t1 ev + 475 gw + t1 severe

[bleak spoke]

gushing

MAYN

[rigid mango]

(:

[bleak spoke]

i guess after nerf you'll put on carapace dagger or something

over the ev

[rigid mango]

Yus.

If I get one, that is

[bleak spoke]

don't doubt you will

❤️

[rigid mango]

I farm shit when I'm bored but I legit cba pugging keys so

[bleak spoke]

ah

[rigid mango]

Dunno when we're doing hc so

[timber meadow]

I don't really do M+ as assasin - is it still tripple ss/2-3 eb or is tripple ss/tripple dh better

[rigid mango]

´First one.

Dunno what dh is but

Gonna guess hoD.

[timber meadow]

lmao

for some reason in my head i was thikning dark heart

but yes, heart of darkness

[bleak spoke]

heart of darkness seems kinda whatever for dungeon sin

[rigid mango]

Doesn't seem better than EB/SS

[bleak spoke]

stats too balanced yeah

[timber meadow]

my stats, at least for ST, have been just really wonky

[bleak spoke]

you know what could be fun zine, if you got a bunch of strikethroughs

and played a 3ss3eb

[rigid mango]

I know

[bleak spoke]

would actually have to get them on crit pieces though

which is like exponential rng

[rigid mango]

I've got deadly momentum + severe atm

[bleak spoke]

i've got a deadly momentum piece hiding in my bags

[rigid mango]

Need next back level to equip mine

[bleak spoke]

it's 430 though 😦

[rigid mango]

socekted crit haste 460

[bleak spoke]

zoinks

[vocal ginkgo]

is the HC Ra-den trinket combination better that coral+font?

than*

[rigid mango]

no

[bleak spoke]

very barely for some people

oh the combo?

no it's ass

[rigid mango]

literally I don't think anything beats coral atm.

[bleak spoke]

coral + vita is a bit better than coral + font for some people*

[timber meadow]

iono some of these fights are weird for coral

[rigid mango]

It's the 2nd thing I socket as soon as I can

[vocal ginkgo]

yeah ok was like i thought

[timber meadow]

where in theory it pumps obv the best but in practice it's tricky

[bleak spoke]

man which fight is weird for coral though

like if you mean like drest or something

just coral the tentacle you're killing

[timber meadow]

nzoth and ilgonoth are the two that come to mind i guess

[bleak spoke]

and carry buff over

[timber meadow]

and drest a little too

[bleak spoke]

it stays on center for ily

even during the walladd phases

[rigid mango]

anyone wgot the simc for r9 cloak

[bleak spoke]

but yeah it's a bit weird for sure

[timber meadow]

wait does it really?

just stay

[bleak spoke]

back=",id=169223,bonus_id=6280/1472,context=11" @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

xoxo

[echo night]

Why do i see people removing the corruption from Carapace dagger? Is it only because they have better on other items or?

[bleak spoke]

yeah it just stays on mid but you end up losing value

[timber meadow]

ya i guess like on fights like that and nzoth you dont get the primary target dmg from it that you may bea ble to get from other trinks

[bleak spoke]

@echo night weapon ilevel is hard to say no to, but mainly stupidity because the r2 mindflay from carapace dagger owns

[timber meadow]

where the full value of the trink can go where you want it

[rigid mango]

Do I play 55 corr or

[bleak spoke]

i mean i'm playing 56 right now it's not bad zine

you just need to cloak aggressively

[rigid mango]

idk been playing 48

[timber meadow]

damn whatcha sim with 56

[rigid mango]

p chill

[echo night]

Yea i would stick with 2x mindflay daggers untill i get 75 corruption of infinite stars

[bleak spoke]

it's not any different under 59

literally the same

[rigid mango]

Any 77k simmers

[timber meadow]

🖐️

[rigid mango]

EV nerf gonna fuck real good

[bleak spoke]

eye damage can get weird sometimes but if it really counts, cloak or cloak

[timber meadow]

77k with like 100 corruption xD

[rigid mango]

idk how much I sim if I go wv instead

[bleak spoke]

i was playing like 55 in keys and even that felt okay tbh

[timber meadow]

ic ant do a proper big sim for assa cause i cant respec for a while though

[bleak spoke]

in raid you have more healers

[timber meadow]

so not entirely sure where my sim is at

[rigid mango]

Been playing 48 and that's been fine so far

[bleak spoke]

lowkey i hate the thing form beyond as sin tough

though*

not having vanish kinda doesn't own

[rigid mango]

wm wv only 600 dps

[timber meadow]

I saw you were simming pretty large earlier zine - my buddy rav pm'd me your sim lol

[bleak spoke]

he has a gushing piece

[rigid mango]

yuh I'm blasting famalam

[bleak spoke]

big big budge

t

[rigid mango]

RL has big budget*

Deep pockets

[bleak spoke]

gushing's ridiculously efficient

[shy zealot]

damn, Limit wiped @ 5%

[bleak spoke]

i'm surprised it's not the trait on the carapace dagger

[shy zealot]

they doing it next couple pulls

[bleak spoke]

@shy zealot hopefully they don't despawn the boss again :^)

[shy zealot]

lol right

[bleak spoke]

or change their mind about whether the secret phase exists

again

[rigid mango]

#wow-general

[shy zealot]

its over at this point imo, 5% and everyone was up, they wiped on accident

[bleak spoke]

sorry zine

[rigid mango]

Filthing my pure sin channel

[bleak spoke]

anyway when does subterfuge overtake MA

[cerulean walrus]

When it sims higher

[rigid mango]

Dunno, no exact number

[bleak spoke]

like i was looking at the combination sims

and it seemed slightly better

[rigid mango]

It's like 200 above for me iirc?

[cerulean walrus]

It sims 100 DPS higher for me now

[bleak spoke]

by "when" i really mean "does anyone sim higher with subt"

[cerulean walrus]

I do

[bleak spoke]

hmm, with the same traits?

[rigid mango]

Yeah I think it's pretty common that it outsims at like what

[bleak spoke]

also is SS still weaker even w/subt

[rigid mango]

yes SS sucks

but subt is good

But I wont play subt because it feels atrocious

I'm a feelcrafter

[bleak spoke]

how do you even open with subterfuge and no ss

[rigid mango]

gar mut rup

[bleak spoke]

oh

[cerulean walrus]

Yeah it’s the legion opener

[bleak spoke]

so you don't extendo first g out of stealth?

or just vanish for it

mid vendetta

[rigid mango]

not afaik

[bleak spoke]

like some kind of monkey?

[rigid mango]

Like

The fucking APL is jank af

[crystal vault]

WV 90 dps behind CLF, think going WV now cuz feelcrafter 🙂

[bleak spoke]

it probably feels hella weird

[timber meadow]

lol how does the apl fuck up an opener that seems like the easiest piece to code

[bleak spoke]

i mean

i've had sample sequences

do muti rup muti after vanishing during second V

in MA sims

legit TB van muti rup muti

[timber meadow]

oh that's odd lmao

[rigid mango]

Yeah because my improvements

dont get pushed

[timber meadow]

it doesn't rupture before

[bleak spoke]

LOL

[rigid mango]

because they're too small

but they're also fucking correct

[bleak spoke]

they might be small

but like

in that sense

[rigid mango]

I mean I think the opener still does fucking

[bleak spoke]

you literally don't need to do anything

and just roll your keys

[rigid mango]

mut mut rup gar clf vend mut tb van

[bleak spoke]

if they're going to do that

[rigid mango]

like

[bleak spoke]

YEAH IT DOES

[rigid mango]

if it doesn't hit for 4

And I made a fix

but no

[bleak spoke]

no no it doesn't do the muti after vend even

it just goes TB and if it doesn't have 4 it just muti env muti

it's actual monkey

[cobalt pelican]

shrouded owns fight me

[rigid mango]

Really wish it did

[bleak spoke]

Have we checked shrouded with mastery % corruptions

Cuz some classes

Get some funky stuff

Like the first two pieces of mastery % for fire kinda suck then it goes nuclear

And starts beating gushing for ppc

[rigid mango]

yeh but like

ss is fundamentally behind by a fair bit

[bleak spoke]

Isn’t ss multiplicative with mastery though

Like it buffs base garrote damage

[rigid mango]

yeah

I mean "potentially" yeah but like

[bleak spoke]

So like triple ss with mastery % could be kinda crazy

[rigid mango]

I don't think it goes ballistic or anything

[bleak spoke]

Remember how nuts it was on launch

Like now we get to add to the other side of the table though

So yeah ss was cut by x% but mastery can gain by x% too

[cobalt pelican]

shrouded rly isn't that far behind that with actual optimization and not just 'my gear but with shrouded' it wouldn't be super playable

[bleak spoke]

Yeah exactly

Like a full SS setup at least in bod simmed like 200 dps worse

[cobalt pelican]

if i was still nelf i'd be hard looking into it cause i'm pretty sure it's straight better than current build for nelf

[bleak spoke]

And while the gap’s increased who knows

A whole extra proc of ss is nuts though

Especially since you can overwrite a normal garrote

If I were nelf I’d even try like bote vision minor SS

And hold meld for second v or something

Then you have 3 ss vendettas in 3:30 which seems absolutely absurd

you can have like raden helm with SS NP gorak tuls with SS blightborne and carapace chest with SS heart

[quiet parrot]

Is it weird that for ST, WV Major is simming higher than CLF, even if set to 0 allies running it?

[bleak spoke]

a little bit yeah

[timber meadow]

vop major on wrath is the play lol

[bleak spoke]

if you get lucky yeah

[distant lava]

procs on pillar

[cold patio]

can detection also proc is?

[crystal vault]

vop major? why not blood major + vop minor

[cobalt pelican]

i kinda hate looking at gear rn like

vita looks like shit f or some people

but those people also don't have expedient gear and are usually playing ev and stuff currently with like vers gems

so it's rly hard to quantify how good/bad vita is even though i'm pretty sure it's good even at 460 after ev changes unless everyone just plays ta or something

[unreal kayak]

does gushing would give us venomous woulds benefit

[cobalt pelican]

no

[bleak spoke]

MAN if you coral out of stealth by accident you break subterfuge

what the fuck

also wtf it sims higher for me too https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4wsfZo8wHzE2QvoPefWbHg

[quiet parrot]

ok good

i thought i was doing something wrong

i have shit corruption, so im doing anything i can to stay a float on the DPS meters

[next solar]

whats the consensus for pots for high aoe? agi?

[bleak spoke]

empowered proximity

but only if you can stay in range of the mobs

if you have to run out or if less than 4 live the full 25 seconds then it's better to agi pot

but at 2t unbridled probably wins anyway, so really agi's only good for 3t

so people rarely bother with them, if they choose to use more than one type of pot at all

[next solar]

true, how ive been feeling, i crafted a ton of unbridles and im going through them waayyy too fast