I can't seem to get anywhere close to my sim dmg nor any really good logs. I can't seem to find the issue or what I am doing wrong, Im playing what sims best which is also what most people with good logs do. I could probably pool a bit more for TB windows but I doubt thats the only issue. If anybody has time & wants to take a look at my logs - I'd be willing to pay gold :p
#assassination
burnt dome
burnt dome
❤️ will do
dense axle
drifting cloud
you can always link them in here, theres a few people that do log analysis
just have to get a little lucky that one of them is online
burnt dome
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wNrv6HdpqhtnPkVW/ < tonights logs on maut
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/silvermoon/choclatekoek < all logs
burnt dome
I try to do on CD always but sometimes mechanics and not being able to pump p2 cus almost dying gets in the way :p
burnt dome
Yeah most of the tries I did use cloak on vendetta+vanish window
rigid mango
Idk about the mut > env > mut opener
dense blaze
@hollow stone The damage effect is why you use it last
burnt dome
wait, opener is not mut > env if mut is 4 cp?
rigid mango
Nah mut > rup > mut
mut > rup > mut > gar > vend > wv > tb > vanish > env
mut > mut > rup > gar > mut > vend > wv > tb > vanish > env if it hits 2-3
dense blaze
Didn’t even need elusive with my healers just cloaked my burst and told them to heal me
rigid mango
Yeah try that with 5 other people doing the same shit I'm doing
dense blaze
Be the loudest
burnt dome
Okay well that'll change my opener - thanks, not sure why I was convinced mut=4 was env on opener
rigid mango
It's a slightly debated topic?
There's some potential gain in it if you lust on pull and shit
but even then it's tiny.
burnt dome
Would you say the missed TB's + the other opener are that much of a difference? I'm logging a 58 on the kill there and that is... very mediocre. :p
My sim is 68k
rigid mango
Yeah, TB's are huge.
This is just bad
and u forgot to use font
didn't use font coral properly either
burnt dome
In the case of missing TB's bc of slacking I understand it's quite obviously a big dps loss, but say its coming up but X mechanic as well making me able to only put 1 env into it; should I still use it or delay it
@ zine; missed coral & shouldve TBed in vendetta? or
dense blaze
Are you just running away from the boss with the pool shit
burnt dome
Not far, but yeah
We put them next to boss and overlap as much as possible
Do I prio coral with vendetta or font? cus I've been trying to pair font with vendetta; but it feels like letting one or the other pretty much go to waste
strange python
If I TB on cd how close does it line up to second vendetta? Swapped to rogue this tier and I’m finding that Im usually 7-14 seconds off and I’m thinking it’s because I’ve delayed TB in a few spots for a few seconds.
rigid mango
You should be going vend > wv > tb > vanish there @burnt dome
Your TB is way before any of your CD's
Essentially what you do is when your cds are up, you TB and then as it drop you full channel font
You vend 14 sec later and pop cds, 6 sec later you pop coral (aka when your internal trinket cd drops)
Keep on blasting
That's how you play font coral
burnt dome
so do I hold TB there to pair with vendetta or do I hold cds to pair with the next TB?
rigid mango
You hold Cd's
Unless that'll lose you a cast of them in the end
Which most of the time it wont, but knowing kill timer helps.
burnt dome
Kay so less slacking on missings TBs, pairing cds up better with TB & pairing coral with cooldowns, popping font after TB window in cooldowns
okay that seems doable and like a big difference 🙂 thank you
rigid mango
giga
grave elk
Ok sick
wanton pond
can someone explain that pic ^ is the muts one right after another?
them being in line is confusing
or is it just one mut?
burnt dome
Its just how logs show muti, not sure why :p
subtle tundra
main hand off hand i think
wanton pond
so is that one or two?
burnt dome
2 underneath = 1 muti
wanton pond
ok so in this scenario it was mut> garrot> tb?
rigid mango
Yers
Mut hits with both hands
so it looks like 2 abilities
Also, on APM charts it looks like you're doing way higher apm bec mut apm is doubled.
Bec it looks like that^
wanton pond
so technically there should never be a case where it only shows up once?
maiden raptor
What is the best race for rouge on hordeside? And is it even worth going for it over bloodelf (assuming bloodelf isn't the best) like is the increase really noticeable?
wanton pond
if so what does that mean
waxen cobalt
Undead is best, because, well, undead.
rigid mango
Think it means one was parried? honestly unsure
waxen cobalt
Also, @maiden raptor https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/races/1t-t25-assassination
burnt dome
Dont think I've ever seen logs with only one muti symbol hehe
rigid mango
hm?
maiden raptor
Oh thanks that will help alot
wanton pond
Like when I pull that up I see melees and poision ticks
Just clutter stuff really
Last time I tried to view my own that way it was a little confusing
I don't have Warcraft logs in front of me rn
rigid mango
casts + timelines
versed bobcat
Perfecto goin botE makes me hope to not play wv forever ❤️ even thogh wv sims so much better for me even on a 20 sec sim
tropic ocean
@wanton pond you mean in logs or discord?
jolly spoke
unlocked my 75th slot what should i go with now?
jolly spoke
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
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patent topaz
bote sims about 50 lower than clf but it fucking blasts
bleak spoke
does the sim check both
rigid mango
No it has a static one afaik.
bleak spoke
yeah it's set to focused resolves by default
rigid mango
Havn't checked what it's likef or me
Within margin error I suppose?
but like 70 dps gain.
It's slowly been creeping up this patch with how much value secondaries have in this world of power creep
Becomes 150 gain with r3 breath
fallen ivy
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small crypt
are the lustrous golden plumage sims of bloodmallet and herodamage wrong? somehow my azshara fond 445 sims 2k better than 465 plumage with socket
rigid mango
Link the sim
small crypt
fond cant be used with coral either, right?
arctic walrus
The extra 10 seconds on font Allow for a really strong overlap
small crypt
kk
rigid mango
The fact that you can get a 14 sec overlap of both buffs inside of vend (and 100% of vend inside of font) is huge
small crypt
makes sense since sims dont do trinket combos
i actually thought i wont have to do azshara anymore
rigid mango
Well, it's less about the combo more like
arctic walrus
The only way to replace font atm is getting a really good m+ trinket
rigid mango
Font is the only other "good" trinket that syncs this well with coral
or a really good vita, I think
Font is the only other on use trink that buffs our burst window just like it does for so many other classes primarly stuff like fdk and fmage, it's the thing that enable the combo really.
But inherently it's coral that's the stupid broken trinket, font just fits with it really well.
rigid mango
Should be good enough I think.
Also kinda depends on your corruptions I think
I expected gw to value haste highly but it shot vers crit high instead
🤔
rigid mango
inf star is highly frontloaded for haste
small crypt
true
but still crazy a 475 vita with socket is only 240dps better than 445 font
at least on my sim
arctic walrus
+23 for me
small crypt
😄
small crypt
ep gear still titanforges right?
arctic walrus
i only have 445 base
strange python
up to 455 yeah @small crypt
small crypt
crap, azshara here i come
small crypt
14 rogues easy
grand tangle
ezpz
tiny finch
is there a post somewhere about worldvein usage?
im basically saving it for vendettas and toxic blade windows
rigid mango
Sounds about right.
The one inbetween vendettas is a bit awkward but you can just stick it to your TB there or something, honestly dunno if it matters an insane amount
tiny finch
yeah
i only need to hold for max 5 seconds or less
i've been testing though
feels a bit weird
plush remnant
Is detection spam in the sims?
rigid mango
Yep
plush remnant
I looked in the sequence to see when it used detection and didn’t see it ever cast it. Where would it show up in the html?
rigid mango
Did you sim weekly or nightly?
plush remnant
Weekly
rigid mango
Yeah that'd be why, I guess.
plush remnant
I’ll give that a try, thank you
plush remnant
Get that apm
undone pasture
What is detection spam and why is it a thing
rigid mango
undone pasture
I checked pins first
rigid mango
Will in the morning I guess.
hollow stone
Its for stacking ev during down periods
rigid mango
EV = procs more because of spamming detection
undone pasture
Wait
grand tangle
psyduck!!
undone pasture
Ev stacks on me not on target???
hollow stone
Yea
undone pasture
I need
maiden raptor
for gems it's the same as for enchants right? just take the highest second stat?
maiden raptor
Aight ty
rancid blaze
what is a good threshold for corruption?
arctic walrus
39 is pretty safe
still sky
69 or bust
dark crag
39 is safemode, go above if your healers won't cry
still sky
Let them cry. I run 43 just to tick them off a little
dark crag
I run 53 on last hc clear, didn't even notice the thing
Some told me it even has a nameplate
Guess i am blind
cobalt pelican
it's v likely just tied to enemy minions/totems/some random shit like that
which lots of ppl have disabled
still sky
Mouse over blind macro has been pretty useful
cobalt pelican
if you don't have any other on use trinket just use it before you use vendetta
grave elk
im using coral also
bleak spoke
how good is vita for us anyway
another rogue in my raid said the one he got form heroic is being his font
beating*
arctic walrus
idk about that one chief
worn basin
My 460 vita was 1% or so behind 430 font.
proven talon
tribal marlin
but wait
There are 2 abilities as assa rogue that have gcd reduced by haste right
Vendetta and ..... Detection
both have gcd reduced by hate, i'm pretty sure
this mean by spamming detection you get more than 1EV stack / sec
.<
bronze wagon
fading wigeon
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tribal marlin
there was no good shoulders in EP but there are nzoth one this time
475 DD/NP or DD/HoD so dunno
droptimize is the key
fallow otter
Yeah raid isn't far behind but afaik bis is still gorak so I'm going to save this time I think
Last boss is higher ilvl though so maybe it does better, haven't simmed yet
tribal marlin
tbh since there are no good azerite in raid for m+ i'm that kind of stupid guy
that will spend every titanium un 465 piece
til I get a good setup for m+
I'm really sick of waiting 2 weeks to only get a shitty piece that will be not even close to a SS/EB 450 xD
grizzled jay
Being full 465 doesn't seem like the worst decision
tribal marlin
ye, but I'm also doing this because I already have a full 475 azerite setup for raiding tho
fallow otter
Here is a comparison from my current gear don't laugh at my lack of corruption ability
tribal marlin
but this assume you are killing mythic nzoth :/
which is unlikely to happens in near future
better to sim with nzoth shoulder 475
mossy adder
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rpjRv5bEwKfkvku78mYEwU
Why is basically every top log using breath minor but sims super low for me?
patent topaz
I sim for 52k, feels bad
tribal marlin
-10 corruption @mossy adder
mossy adder
even logs which are using less than 39 corruption are using it though so im not sure whats going on there
wondered if it was normal for it to sim that low
tribal marlin
well they probably would have more than 39 without it 😒
tribal marlin
I play with 53
cannot affort playing 63 = wombo combo
so even if I could win like 800 simdps with another essence, I have to take breath :/
mossy adder
ive actually never tried above 39 yet, how dangerous is it
hahahaha
ye that makes sense with breath though
tribal marlin
well it's quite bugged in raid actually
like most of the time the thing does not do anydamage
patent topaz
I wonder if our DH is going to quit the game. Fucked up every single football mechanic last night. I asked for someone competent to do it next time.
patent topaz
does it melee to explode though? unsure
tribal marlin
you can kidney it right after it spawn it work too (it have a triggering time of about 1sec)
you can crippling poison it too
and anyway in raid environnement it's just a pinch with all the pasive healing / absorb you have, tbh the real danger isn't that thing, but most likely the slow which is 63%
Slowed into lethal mechanic = how corruption actually kills you
patent topaz
I find that a lot of people forget about the cloak on use
tribal marlin
it's our best friend theese days xD
tribal marlin
no blinding it does not make it explode like in Freehold last boss 😄
Oh Vision minor is specific to the encounter
Like for example Xanesh have shit timers. Basically your 2nd vendetta is up when the all socker shiit + adds is starting. So you have to delay alll the way to the end of this "event"
or litterally ignore the strategy which is not a good idea.
So people use minor VoP in order to have better timers on vendetta
Same thing happens with multiple bosses on mythic. It's especially important to have VoP minor on Drest'agat encounter too
patent topaz
I didnt do mechagon at all last patch. Got rank 2 VoP now, is running heroics enough for sprockets ?
olive topaz
It's not guaranteed drop from hc, just do it on m+.
tribal marlin
rings are insanely good for sin* rogue.
mossy adder
they werent dropping for me on m+
i did quite a few workshops
but i only have rank 1 does that mean i have to get rank 2 from normal mythic then get the sprockets from m+?
olive topaz
Did you have previous rank learnt? I see people getting 1-2 sprockets all the time while I farm Workshop.
tribal marlin
same for me
olive topaz
Yeah, you need to get r2 first.
tribal marlin
people constantly get sprocket when I did it
olive topaz
It even drops from Junkyard, but Junkyard is junk. :v
spark sky
Grizzled you get a bunch of progression sprockets from both mechagon m+ and a chance of sprockets from heroic (people claim between 25 and 50% per run)
tribal marlin
meanwhile to get breath r3 you need to complete 100 world quest per day for 20 days
patent topaz
Dont really need it, more on my moonkin.
tribal marlin
I'm so mad blizzard gated breath r3 to Exalted and not Revered
patent topaz
at least bote isnt good for a moonkin so I dont have to get that
mossy adder
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5Cba9yVW6TV14kDhMzQukn So i guess i could play under 60 corruption and add quite a bit of dps
tribal marlin
I'm quite surprise you put a 120agility gem
are you sure 50secondary is not better ?
mossy adder
At the time i put it in it was slighty better ye
probs should update that
still simming atm
tribal marlin
have you tried to sim Major WV + Minor C&S (replace minor Iris)
tribal marlin
try C&S tho insteed of Iris, Versa gets some value out of Echoing Void
versed bobcat
In my case cns is > iris (and not affected by target switch so.)
tribal marlin
ye for me too
tribal marlin
hehe dont sim WV major now
you will end up actually play major WV otherwise
and that SUCKS
damn with 95corruption of echoing void I would sim like 78k xD
mossy adder
ye i got super lucky on that 😄
only ever used 1
but il try with 58 corruption now
see how that goes
is it realistically worth playing WV minor on every boss or not really
tribal marlin
beware you will surrender to the darkness
mossy adder
cos its simming about 600 ahead of CS
tribal marlin
that's a problem tho
patent topaz
its just HC
tribal marlin
well does not really matter tho
if a lot of peeps use wv you can realistically play it in almost every scenario
if only few peeps use it you still can play it on patchwerk style, but with some displacement you will loose value out of it
patent topaz
I asked before the raid yesterday, I think ill have a hard time convincing people. We only raid with 13 atm too
and I enjoy blasting with bote
tribal marlin
fun fact : I crit higher envenom at the opener with major WV than with BotE :3 (but bote give 25% additionnal crit chance)
well tbh I can't play bote because of my gear
I have 12% more crit from corruption with 2500 crit score and razor coral
BotE would be just overcapping crit by a large margin
patent topaz
I dont have coral but I do have a 430 font so I go with big burst windows
using cyclonic as 2nd trinket
tribal marlin
you can get a coral easy
4 boss on EP mythic is easily done in pug
by just blasting regardless of strategy
patent topaz
hopefully we can revive the mythic team in shadowlands, feels bad to be a pleb
velvet nacelle
8k towards blood rank 3 today, 7 more to go and i'm dizzone
raven mica
Did 3k today, I’m 9k in
When I get rank 3 lucid and rank 3 null barrier I’ll start reinvesting that time into bgs to get blood faster
patent topaz
I did rank 12 in classic, bote rank 3 was absolutely nothing
velvet nacelle
i do about 8k a day so yeah, it's not a big deal
honestly the worst part about this grind is the queue times, even losing games as a rogue isn't THAT frustrating
flat tundra
chrome forum
yes
swift crest
if I had to pick between two double dose or one double dose and one nothing personal, what would you take?
marble hemlock
whatever the sim suggests is better for your specific gear :>
amber tiger
thorn galleon
Coral + torment in a jar
faint harness
spark sky
Sims expect you to properly use Vendetta so if you tend to forget then maybe double dose is better than np 😄
distant lava
spark sky
Indeed
gentle shadow
Do you guys use a mouseover macro for Shadowstep?
heavy haven
Yes
faint harness
no
mighty elm
Maybe
gentle shadow
tropic ocean
u use wv on cd y
its a 1min cd so naturally gonna line with every vendetta
heres the usage of r1 rogue
so yeah some delays due to intermission
versed bobcat
Why ppl using vision on wrathi then? Don't get it cuz I don't have vanish up for vend. Do u get vend up for botE and just do vanish every second vend then?
versed bobcat
Aa and those guys play botE or Guardian
crimson palm
cuz apparently u can get 2 vendettas in one window, and have the first one of the next cycle synced up
faint harness
Yes
Every other vendetta is with vanish
Just means you get 1 more vendetta for each ground phase
ocean jasper
I might try VoP / Blood tonight and see if it feels better
If your raid isnt consistent with positioning you can also use vanish to drop movement stacks between cloaks if you're close to 50
But shouldn't be necessary outside of progression
viscid lichen
hey guys I was wondering what can I do to increase my dps as wow analyzer doesnt really say anything
here are the logs
unodostres's the name
faint harness
first log i look at (Maut), dont die
viscid lichen
I feel like Im lackign this tier a bit compared to last not sure if thats just rogue
okay yeah
viscid lichen
we were lacking healing iirc not my call
faint harness
viscid lichen
also I play mechagon essence for overall
faint harness
i hope your healers realize the cause of the dmg
viscid lichen
its kinda expensive to swap after each boss
faint harness
1 tome
hollow cloak
1 tome and maybe one essence change gives u 500-600dmg more
ashen solar
Your opener seems fine, and theres no wasted cp
straight up the low 90 is because you have no corruption
On wrathion
typing is hard
viscid lichen
it can be sometimes :)
faint harness
you should tell your raidleader/healers that lusting Maut intermission might be the stupidest thing ive seen
patent topaz
I could barely pop cds, it hurts
faint harness
And they did it for more healing 
Its like they dont understand the cause of the dmg
patent topaz
wanst talking about your logs, my raid yesterday 
viscid lichen
ah
faint harness
You could work on your TB usage
i'm only checking ST bosses cus all other shit is just pad
So looking at Shadhar atm
viscid lichen
okay
faint harness
This is ur 2nd Tb
1 envenom
refreshing both dots in the window
Ideally at the very least 2 envenoms and ur TB should be the 4-5th CP so you can instantly envenom
viscid lichen
okay but if tb is off cd
and both dots are near end
do I refresh or just go for tb
like 6seconds
so they will fall off
patent topaz
shouldnt happen unless you get mechaniced
viscid lichen
okay
faint harness
Here you are delaying TB by 4-5 seconds and still refreshing rupture innit
viscid lichen
is there any essence guide per boss?
faint harness
same boss
tropic ocean
check warcraftlogs
faint harness
so 2 TBs in a row ur only getting 1 envenom
tropic ocean
Then alternate between ur highest simming essences
viscid lichen
okay will keep that in mind
faint harness
Thats the biggest thing in that log, poor TB usage
faint harness
Another small thing is (still on Shadhar) ur coral usage, iirc you only have 1 use trinket.
the first use is fine, lined up with vendetta etc
but it takes a few extra seconds to apply it again after using it
16 seconds gap i think (36 sec in total)
modest mason
Any1 got time to look through my log on Maut? I feel like i pretty much just got carried by my IS and still only got a blue log... I'm an outlaw main and don't really know what to look for tbh https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WnwyV4Yt8ZMR7j2B/#fight=7&type=damage-done
rigid mango
I can when I get on my pc.
modest mason
Would appreciate that a lot 😄 Trying to improve my sin a bit this tier..
faint harness
rupture uptime could easily be better
but ur doing your tb windows correctly
you can possibly coral 2nd CD instead of holding it until last
awful killtime
Like the longest you can possibly go without being able to get off a 4th vanish combo
It was a slow Maut kill, so you could potentially delay ur stone to next vendetta cd
real bay
Are you guys dpsing the adds on Maut? some logs I see melee/rogues just tunnel boss
mythic I mean
real bay
yeah but focus on the add
real bay
I think I did like millions of add dmg
modest mason
So main rotation seems okay or what Push?
faint harness
we instakill 1st add, keep 2nd silenced and run the 2nd add into boss when 3rd is about to spawn
modest mason
And just try and keep an eye on rupture timer
modest mason
And how would u do coral with 2nd cd?
faint harness
you can get it shortly after ur vanish crit window is over
u should use font as soon as it comes up
modest mason
would u font and hold vandetta?
faint harness
no
rigid mango
You font as soon as your tb is over when you have cds up
Wait 14 sec, cast vend + cds, 6 sec later you cast coral
faint harness
I remember that being a thing in EP, marginal gains?
tbh i hate juggling the 2 use trinkets
modest mason
Yea i hate double on use
faint harness
Bottomline is that i think ur "bad" log is due to boss dying RIGHT as you get to use 4th vendetta
faint harness
Pfft
faint harness
It was good even before that change
rigid mango
Font coral? No
rigid mango
That change made it good.
faint harness
I was there during the discussion
Still a gain to use both
without that in the APL
rigid mango
Yes but it was mediocre
That made it bis
The gain wasn't marginal
And using it like that is what makes it still bis.
faint harness
14 seconds?
rigid mango
Those timers.
faint harness
there were 2 different ones
faint harness
Font'ing early was another
rigid mango
Not the best one.
faint harness
but the gain between fonting early vs 14 sec was not yuge by any means iirc
rigid mango
Wdym "fonting early"
faint harness
so they line up
rigid mango
So what lines up
faint harness
instead of at like 7-8
rigid mango
This gives full lineup
faint harness
coral
rigid mango
Full 20 sec of vend inside of font
14 sec of both
Inside vend
It's the optimal usage and was a significant gain at the time.
faint harness
the other one was similar, the difference was that you just font earlier
still use vend at 2
rigid mango
Vend at 2?
rigid mango
You mean you just pressed it on cd or?
faint harness
so you would font at 15 sec pulltimer or something
ocean jasper
Are you saying so you have both buffs at the start of Vend but font falls off?
rigid mango
That was never the meta :)
faint harness
It was what it did at first tho
rigid mango
And that was a big loss until optimised ysage (this) was found
That made the trinket combo this good.
dark crag
Before that new font window, i just used font with 10 sec cd left on tb to gain 20 sec in vend+ last 10 sec with vend+coral
rigid mango
Yea?
You mean suboptimal usage was suboptimal until something better was found relativly early into the tier
And since then that's been the play
faint harness
0.8%-1% gains
rigid mango
You think that's not a lot or?
rigid mango
It's a lot for just using them properly.
rigid mango
How?
faint harness
Its riskier imo
dark crag
Tb is more a factor for kill timings than font
rigid mango
Yeah but you nearly everytime you don't lose anything from it
faint harness
Fair enough
rigid mango
You only gain a significant amount
faint harness
I should look into changing my WAs for the combo
rigid mango
Kinda wish I had one but never cared enough
faint harness
I only have one for the old way
rigid mango
It comes naturally afte doing it a while
daring atlas
Do you mind sharing that WA for the old way? I don’t think I have it. (If you don’t mind of course 🙂 )
faint harness
If you like a girl moaning in your ear when you should font, sure
daring atlas
Omg, yes.
ocean jasper
Can you make it sound like Azshara moaning in my ear?
daring atlas
For sure lol, wago link ?
faint harness
Not home yet, ill send dm
daring atlas
Thanks 🙏🏻
I do like how SIN feels in M+ as well.
Do you know if they fixed the divers folly and cannon dmg in TD?
faint harness
Feels great if you have the traits
real bay
maybe in 3 months I'll have 475 3eb 3ss
faint harness
😂
steep lagoon
Anybody could help me with some logs and some rotation on Sin? Not sure how good analyzer is for Sin atm but
rigid mango
Yes, and wowA sucks.
steep lagoon
aye
modest tendon
Well it’s easy to get 3ss, play outlaw in every key that isn’t ToS, KR, etc 😛
daring atlas
^ actual facts tho
My buddy got 3 pieces of 465 gear this week
With corruption. Toxic.
modest tendon
I’m technically being optimal as well
steep lagoon
rigid mango
I'll look in like 15 when I get onto pc.
Dw everyone will see this season assa blast (^:
rigid mango
Nah does more (:
modest tendon
EV is making their aoe damage absurd
raven mica
But that outlaw had more utility with shit like gouge and BTE and using vanish for utility rather than damage
scarlet fjord
What dungeons are the ST m+ dungeons besides KR
raven mica
EV is making everyone’s damage absurd...
steep lagoon
Thx.. Some rotation things I'm not 100% sure of: 2nd time I use WV, do I hold it for a TB-window? And often I find myself getting TB back up together with garrote and rupture where my energy is only enough for 1xtb - if the correct thing is to refresh garrote and rupture in that situation @rigid mango
modest tendon
@scarlet fjord KR, ToS, Workshop, siege
Are the dungeons you will probably drop eb
Although it still works in all of them 😛
ocean jasper
Just glancing on mobile I noticed you missed coral during your last vendetta @steep lagoon
steep lagoon
@ocean jasper Aye, thx! That might have happened yeah, a lot of things happening at the end there, plus didn't get freedom when I had blob on me and we were stacked :/
ocean jasper
If you notice bleeds are nearing pandemic window I usually refresh before TB is off CD to prevent delaying it unless someone can offer some insight regarding that situation
Just feels bad to me to refresh both bleeds during TB and also bad to refresh too soon
paper relic
Does conflict major (maneuvr) remove the debuff on wrathion?
ocean jasper
No
paper relic
The only time it could have been useful in pve o.o
arctic walrus
Useful at tanking your dps too
faint harness
^
arctic walrus
Just run ripple major instead????
faint harness
you're better off going outlaw for infinite vanishes
steep lagoon
@ocean jasper Indeed.. But then again, I'm not 100% sure if I should always pool energy and use tb at 3-4 cb, or first thing after a rupture etc
ocean jasper
Always optimal to pool and use at 3-4 cp as long as you aren't delaying the cast
steep lagoon
Gotcha
rigid mango
@steep lagoon I really don't see any huge flaws in your logs apart from missing a TB
Your corruption didn't do shit to help you
steep lagoon
@rigid mango Aye thx.. Btw 2nd WV, you hold it for a TB-window or just use off cd?
rigid mango
Honestly? not sure
You're delaying your 2nd vend because of font and shit so I think placing it so your tb is covered there is fine
raven mica
Wait why are you delaying the vendetta, can’t you jsut font earlier
ocean jasper
Lol same convo from an hour ago
ocean jasper
Not the WV comment
steep lagoon
I see.. Thx, Zine 🙂
daring cave
For ST we still want DD and No SS?
rigid mango
y
wanton pond
i could see it being better in tos seige kr no ?
idk i only have 1 piece with it and ss
polar cape
Does detection work with IS ?like it does for EV
shut garnet
im pretty sure IS is just damaging abilities
well tbh apparently EV reads "your damaging abilities" too kek
strange python
3x SS+3x HoD feels really good, my aoe dps stayed around the same but I definitely noticed the higher boss dps @wanton pond
definitely worth it if you have HC/mythic raid pieces imo, at least until you have 480 SS+EB pieces to compare
nocturne gazelle
What piece of Azerite will you buy this week guys?
strange python
shoulders personally
nocturne gazelle
i think shoulders too
strange python
i'd buy helm if you clear hc but don't mythic raid
nocturne gazelle
i have engineering helm and nzoth shoulders
wanton pond
The best I can get is 2ss and 2 EB
Or 3ss 1 eb
Hoping I can get that and use instead
crisp hollow
prisma jolt
what should i use my trophy on weapon? or azerite piece with nothing personal, double dose and overwhelming power?
the weapons have no corruption and they are 440
waxen vine
with 3x double dose, how many targets do you need to start using fok
modest tendon
5-6
prisma jolt
anyone? D:
honest vessel
its hard to answer without knowing all of your current azerite and weapons. but the azerite is probably harder to find elsewhere
outer hearth
what pot is better for max damage? focused resolve or unbridled fury?
prisma jolt
thank you!
ye i did the azerite it will help having more hp also for my twilight devastation and echoing void
timber meadow
ugh i was so pumped
saw the mecha ring in the chest
corrupted symbol
it's the healing one lol
wary ice
I'm sorry for your loss
fading wigeon
Rip
vagrant tapir
Who was it that linked the thing from beyond weak aura earlier
or mentioned it
I cant find it
lucid basalt
Yo assa boiss
i've quick question
Sims tells me to use Resolve potion
also detection in my rotation what ?
scarlet sequoia
stacks echoing void
next solar
..that seems like a waste of a potential DD global?
lucid basalt
yes
marble hemlock
you dont have infinite energy
scarlet sequoia
well u press it while pooling
white wyvern
You detection when you wouldn't be doing anything else.
scarlet sequoia
and whatever else
next solar
oh i see
marble hemlock
you use detection while starving or pooling
next solar
interesting
lucid basalt
how about resolve instead of unbridled fury
next solar
so right before TB essentially
cobalt pelican
the default potion swapped to focused resolve
just test both for your character
instead of unbridled being better for 99% of ppl it's more like 70/30 to unbridled now
wanton pond
sorry what is detection >.> ?
white wyvern
It is a spell that does nothing. Bought from Legion Class Hall.
strange python
Hello? You can see some squirrel in ravenholdt Manor with it
And some other stuff I guess
wanton pond
so no point in having it lol ?
white wyvern
Unless you have EV.
wanton pond
how come?
strange python
No, you Spam it when pooling to Stack EV
strange python
It's on the gcd, and if youre in Combat that stacks up EV
wanton pond
doesnt it have to be a damaging ability ?
white wyvern
Usually it would, but Blizzard. 
white wyvern
It is on GCD.
vivid burrow
Anyone willing to look at a log of my mythic wrathion and tell me what I can improve on? I have EV 2 but i don’t seem to be getting much damage from it nor from my mind flay.
strange python
If thats the only thing: you can't really affect that besides doing the detection shenanigans we just talked about. It's rng.
But ye, people Here usually are willing to analyze stuff. Just Post it
vivid burrow
strange python
That said, on mobile right now so I can't really help :P
scarlet fjord
Is it worth to keep an eb in the st dungeons or just dump it for more st traits?
vivid burrow
no worries 🙂 i appreciate anyone helping
woven pine
I'd rupture multiple shards and fan of knives to make use of venemous wounds so you can have constant uptime on the shards, your damage on them seems really low meaning you aren't being anywhere near as effective as other classes in the window. Like you are doing the same amount of damage as the brewmaster on shards, you can get way more damage out, look at your azerite traits too, you're playing ST and no Nothing personal? it's your most valuable ST trait
thats where most of your damage difference is from what I can see anyways. I haven't looked at your timeline much cause im on my phone sorry
echoing and appendages actually did most of your damage during them phases
energy timeline during the first crackling shards, really choppy
fervent beacon
vivid burrow
@woven pine okay, so a couple questions. I am currently one of the runners on the shards which is why the damage may be low as well. I should be using fan and rupturing more so i can do that for sure. In regards to nothing personal, I simmed and it said 3x double dose was better than nothing personal, i can do that though because i do feel i lack energy for my burst phase when i use my coral.
woven pine
yeah 1 x nothing personal 3 x double dose.
I am one of the runners too, you can still cast while running, just dont use sprint when moving to the scale, use shadowstep to somebody or run there, sprint with the scale and clear them asap
vivid burrow
okay, you're right i should be using that. I can also switch a herat of darkness for nothing personal
hollow stone
You dont need sprint or any other movespeed to hit 10 spires. Tested it last week
vivid burrow
heart*
drowsy snow
right. you don't need it but the faster you expose them the longer you have to kill them.
if your raid is cutting it close
hollow stone
For sure. Just providing info for situations like the flames going lengthwise which would make it tight af to make it to the scale in time
Its ok to sprint to get there if you have to
wanton pond
does anyone know if detection triggers the EV to blow or does it just build stacks if nothings in front of you?
wanton pond
interesting
also
does rank determine how many stacks you can get to?
or is that irrelevant
hollow stone
Irrelephant 🐘
rigid mango
Detection spam
What is Detection spam? Well in the new age of corruption effects came the dominance of Echoing Void. This effect is known to be an alround great choice for any content. This effect procs off of your attacks and as we all know sin is known to be a spec full of "dead GCD's" that are spent waiting for energy, tactically pooling or also general boss fight downtimes because of abilities. In these scenarios you can now spam the spell Detection. It doesn't cost any energy and it fills these GCD's that were previously empty with a chance to proc EV. This is worthwhile learning but also think about not wasting any damage or actual GCD's that would overall be more impactful.
vivid burrow
maybe im just missing something, when you say detection spam, what exactly does this mean?
white wyvern
@vivid burrow Pressing the ability Detection when no other GCDs are being used in order to prov EV.
vivid burrow
forget i said anything about detection, i misread
yeah thanks @white wyvern haha. I guess ive never used detection
lucid basalt
Yo bois i was checking logs and There is people doing 2 different openers is it just because maybe first Mutilate 3 combo points so they have to refresh rapture on burst window ?
daring atlas
It’s 110 lolll
wanton pond
this guys got enough corruption for 2-3 chars tho
im out here with like no pieces lol
pure moth
You and most people
timber meadow
most people in my guild have a ton of corruption
daring atlas
@lucid basalt only thing I can see is they don’t want to refresh rup or garrote during TB you want to pump env
lucid basalt
Yea thats what i said. Some people doing Mutilate - Rupture - Mutilate - Garrote - Vendetta - Toxic Blade - BOTE - Vanish - Envenom
Others do Mutilate - Rupture - Mutilate - Garrote - Rupture - Vendetta - Mutilate - Toxic Blade - BOTE - Vanish - Envenom
Whats the difference here
scarlet sequoia
also rapture is a priest ability
daring atlas
At least we hold up to being smartasses in our discord. God I love being a rogue
shut garnet
shut garnet
on a more serious note, what does this mean?
scarlet sequoia
just do whatever ur sim says, ideally its just mutilate rupture mutilate garrote vendetta toxic blade bote vanish envenom
shut garnet
like, that rupture refresh before vendetta seems really odd
unborn root
I went through all of last tier without getting one of these, and now I got one the first week of 8.3
polar cape
Powerful
unborn root
Im not doing carapace for like 2 months
drifting cloud
does it :?
shut garnet
not reaaaaally
drifting cloud
maybe you gamble chest if you have maut mythic helm I guess
rigid mango
Carapce is kinda just ehh whatever
ttk instead of dd, no op
Vex chest was a bit of an improvement
drifting cloud
mythic vex? 😛
rigid mango
Yus.
I don't think it can really be compared with other shit lower ilvl feels like a kinda nobrainer how good those ilvls are
cobalt pelican
i don't think it's unreasonable to expect to have vex chest before carapace prog for not super fast guilds and it's been consistently better for me in almost every gearset (by a negligible amount mind)
like it's the only piece on the table
rigid mango
I mean I expect to have it for sure.
rigid mango
A lot.
cobalt pelican
if vex had like 5 pieces on the table i'd probably care but with 1 it's like
woven pine
7 ashvane kills and coins and still no coral KEKW
rigid mango
I think going into last 2 prog you're gonna be looking for raden + ilgy/gorak + vex
raven mica
Possibly the heroic nzoth pieces since heart of darkness
rigid mango
huh?
raven mica
Wait I’m derping HoD is the only generic in the raid
rigid mango
Did you read what I said or
raven mica
I thought HoD was like only off of the nzoth pieces for a sec
cobalt pelican
raden helm + gorak + vex chest is prolly best, raden helm is likely to be like
a pain to get your hands on for a raider like me
like after raden it's extend territory
hollow stone
Yea. Im spending tr on helms for sure
granite dust
is HoD simming for doodoo for anyone else?
cobalt pelican
do you have enough corruption to turn it on
rigid mango
I don't think extending is worth until nzoth but 
granite dust
oh shit you're right my cloak upgrade knocked me down to 20
cobalt pelican
it's hard to say, bosses like ilgy seem like a mess on reclear for a 2day guild
raven mica
Only thing I can think of is going extendo to maybe get the skip quest early
cobalt pelican
at least ilgy is a wing ender
so you can reclear like
5
or whatever
and just go do ilgy prog till 2nd day end and go mop up shadhar and shit
rancid spade
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
chrome badger
!wa
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harsh sphinx
hollow junco
harsh sphinx
i was going to save for the ss/eb pieces so i'm pretty happy about it
strange python
How did you all get enough residuum, I did a 16 first week and 15 this week and it won't be enough. Didnt get any pieces to scrap ofc
harsh sphinx
18 then 17. plus scrapped a heroic or 2
strange python
Wtb a heroic piece
golden heath
ouh verysweet @harsh sphinx
harsh sphinx
just need a dagger and we are set
golden heath
i am hoping for a decent corruption, since i didnt get twilight D or Echoing Void so far...
i would take a dagger too ofc 😄
fleet whale
hmm so that pin explains why suddenly after a quick sim i just ran, im now at 65 apm
quiet parrot
Ok, so ive top gear sim'd all my options, including food / dps Pots... and this is the highest SIM i can get.
Would anyone be willing to check my sim and see if ive missed anything?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fwYFedyzx4SupKhbBFnrZJ
hollow stone
@fleet whale and, unless something changes, each mut counts as 2 actions
strange python
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fleet whale
raidbots had already been accounting for that
it's warcraft logs that inflates apm cause of mutilate being 2 casts
next solar
does subterfuge SS still get capped at 3 targets?
white wyvern
Yes, you can only fit 3 GCDs in Subterfuge window.
next solar
i meant including vanish
white wyvern
Like if you Stealth > 3x Garrote > Vanish > 3x Garrote all on different targets?
white wyvern
I've never heard of it being capped, but if you can still better to save the vanish for when original empowered Garrotes fall off.
uncut burrow
That bug was fixed iirc
The fourth garrote outside the sub window, you mean?
Yeah, fixed long ago
next solar
yeah thts what i thought
robust ivy
So how manageable is 58 corruption in mythic raid for a 1k dps upgrade?
robust ivy
Alright , thank you!
hollow stone
That bug was fixed in like october 2019 lol
drifting cloud
😡
full hill
Guyz , i have a degenerate question. What potion i have to use on single and multi?
quiet parrot
i just sim each
with baked pato vs big mech
put each results in a spread sheet so i can track how stuff changes as i get upgrades
but ya know... spreadsheets make me horney
fury vs focused resolve are of the main pots you work with
proximity pot can be good for large pulls
grave elk
So when running font. I would font when it comes back up and then hold vendetta/vanish till I can pop coral right? For raiding that is
untold current
Whats the gamble for today assuming I will be progressing though mythic at a snails pace?
I have 485 eng helm already
runic prairie
Do multiple infinite stars stack? Example having a rank 1 and rank 2. Would it be worth using both?
bright smelt
honestly I'm pretty sure it'd be a better option saving up for specific pieces rather than gambing @untold current
considering the azerite from raid is pretty well itemized for ST dps
and any gamble you do would only really be a small upgrade if you get the correct one
especially if you wanna do m+ as sin considering 0 of the raid azerites has EB
wary ice
yikes
subtle tundra
for m+ imma roll 475 shoulders since there are 3 of them with eb/ss, save up for the head and roll hc chest
untold current
bright smelt
gz on socket even though corr and equip is kinda meh
chilly marsh
if this ring had the behind bonus would be OP
@rigid mango about Detection spam have you tried to macro it with every skill?
if you press a mut but don't have energy would it cast detection instead?
rigid mango
It's on the gcd mate
idk I just spam it between
Try it yourself your game works jsut aswell as mine 🙂
wary ice
psure the macro would break at /cast mutilate
chilly marsh
not at home atm
wary ice
u'd get "no energy" feedback and the button press ends
havent tested but thats my intuition
chilly marsh
just jsuggesting to try to improve it
if you put 2 skill and one is on cd the other is used
wary ice
they share the global cd tho
white wyvern
Even if the macro works I don't think it is ideal. Better to have complete control over your GCDs. IE you press Mut at 49 energy so instead you Detection. When it would have been better to wait for 1 energy and Mut.
wary ice
the situtaion is ur off GCd, at 0 energy and press [/cast mutilate | /cast detection]
rigid mango
still I don't randomly wanna detection when mut spamming
hollow stone
The macro should work but i agree that its not a good idea. The best time for detection is during pooling moments when you arent typically using gcds. Chances are, during pooling, you even enough E to mut and if you macro it to mut, it would still mut instead of detection because you have the E. effectively ruining your pooling
chilly marsh
if you pooling for full energy yes
but if just dont wnat to waste no gcd at 40 energy
it would cast the detection
white wyvern
Why are you trying to simplify something that is already so simple?
Plus what you are suggesting seems like it would make it more difficult.
hollow stone
If youre pooling, you should pool above 50E
honest vessel
could just hit detection....
hollow stone
You do you tho, man. If it works for you, do it 🤷♂️
Lmao. Its also on 2 for me
Replaced smokebomb O.O
chilly marsh
it's called optimization. just go to tc-research you will see people changing apl for 0,1% gains
hollow cloak
hold on
honest vessel
.... a computer can guarantee you dont waste any time in a gcd when you could have muted, like a detection where gcd comes up at 49 nrg ..humans cannot
hollow stone
We’re just saying the way you are proposing could result in not optimizing. Thats all
rigid mango
It's not about optimisation it's about making it feel better like
Just seems like potential disaster
strange python
they wouldnt accept 0.1% changes
hollow stone
But again, if it works for you, do it
chilly marsh
not at home to test now lol
but could work that's why suggested.
hollow stone
It has potential for accidental missed muts and thats the concern
chilly marsh
at the end everyone plays the way they feel more comfortable
rigid mango
Idk It's less about working
More about greater potential loss than it's worth to avoid binding one more key.
urban shell
Quick question about the whole detection spam. Reading the tooltips of Twilight Devastation vs EV they are slightly different, so it's not exactly clear. EV states damaging abilities, while TD states attacks. Does detection trigger TD as well as EV?
vestal wren
i added apl changes for ~0.1% dps too, so i would not say they would not be accepted
quasi scroll
so you guys tricks during raid beyond the initial pull?
vestal wren
usually not, unless its needed for a specific fight
golden heath
hey peeps, what do you think about the Ingi Helmet at 475/480 ? is it a good choice ? didnt sim it so far. and iam at work so i cant do that now 😄
main blaze
It's not great but if it's all you have then it can be good for a little bit. But you ultimately would replace it.
velvet nacelle
weird, my m+ chest gave me a 465 sword with my loot spec on assassination
does that make me outlaw now? was nice knowing you boys and girls
void pecan
But are you sure.
velvet nacelle
i swap back and forth and i did want a better outlaw weapon but yeah, it's definitely on current loot spec and i'm assassination