Heart and such are potent enough
#assassination
rigid mango
hollow stone
Its ok to stack np. But theres def better options
rigid mango
Depends a bit on encounter tho for sure.
opal minnow
Engi goggles are strong with the stat scaling now
rigid mango
Yus
opal minnow
They're mostly just behind loa
rigid mango
Subt scaling better just didn't expect it so early
royal lantern
we are reaching a point where sub is replacing MA again?
awww yis
cant wait for that
cobalt pelican
if the 100 dps gain is like without lining up vanish later i'll play it
if i have to delay vend for 100 prolly not but if it gets bigger i will
i should check
surreal solar
wait, if we're going back subt does that mean we need SS again?
royal lantern
no
cobalt pelican
nah like
subterfuge is a 100 dps gain for me by itself but
taking an ss over a a ttk on carapace chest
is a 900 loss overall
tbh that's not bad enough that i wouldn't consider playing it on some things but it's obv not great either
surreal solar
okay, so we just arent vanish mut/env if we do subt?
cobalt pelican
p much
but tbh nobody will move over if the dps gain is so tiny
and it's likely not an upgrade for everyone
if i just crop it like this
the vop dream is alive
surreal solar
what's your third azerite for reference?
surreal solar
NP heart or Np ttk
surreal solar
good to know... how painful were the corruption nerfs?
cobalt pelican
no idea, the nightly isn't updated yet even though the changes got added
mystler posted some stuff in #tc-research
surreal solar
even tho my bracers got cut by 3k they're still simming higher than my old ones XD
wide ridge
guys a question real quick, so saying i'm using MA and I vanish envenom then mut, if i go to 3cp do I envenom (using the MA crit bonus) or mut to 5cp then envenom?
cobalt pelican
just mut
surreal solar
@cobalt pelican is that your preferred raid essence? or is that whats simming well for most?
^ Trying to eek out more dmg wherever i can
cobalt pelican
worldvein always sims the best p much
clf/blood are alternatives for non worldvein raids
surreal solar
my raids not using it, what you posted looks like visions/lucid/iris/c&s
wide ridge
where to fit in worldvein major in opener?
like mut(4cp) rupture mut garrote
then pop it before vendetta and tb?
wild mural
Yes
halcyon zealot
48 corruption isnt overkill is it? seems a little high but definitely managable
scenic nacelle
48 isn’t bad
rigid mango
39 is prob the softcap for prog.
cobalt pelican
dps/corr for assassination after the changes is kinda gross
farming a gushing set sounds awful since it's capped at 15 per piece
runic tinsel
Same :) they where a 1.1k dps increase over the rank 1 void ritual bracers i already had
halcyon zealot
yeah i got a t3 echoing void boots that have 60 on them, if i take bracers off im at 33, but its ~350 dps loss
gonna try to rock with 48 until its showing to be a consistent issue
subtle tundra
halcyon zealot
yeah youre probably right
magic ledge
i was wondering if someone could help me review my logs to see how i can improve. I know i should be able to put out more dmg, and I'm sure it's has to deal with rotation. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/malganis/neoakuto
warm parcel
Why is there an envenom here
There is no point ripping coral here
First torrent happens post 1 minute into the fight
Second ven happens 25 seconds later than it should and font is nowhere to be seen
second pot has nothing going for it
just like life force
no lust, no ven, just randomly by themselves
your second vanish is at 245s alone by itself for what ever reason aswell
3rd ven you cast and then afk for 10 seconds?
seems you press coral on cd all the fight
magic ledge
which fight is this?
drifting pulsar
Is the pins and ravenholdt up to date ? i thought condensed life force got nerfed and is no longer the go to main essence
dense axle
ravenholdt is not up to date AFAIK. Use WoWhead's guide, generally kept up to date
ashen solar
drifting pulsar
sims give me worldvein atm. so i guess that is settled then
tropic ocean
@drifting pulsar worldvein is giga strong if everyone is working on same gain in raid
reef mulch
Recommended setup on Drestragath?
outer vortex
Hey, just returning after skipping the EP raid patch. what is the best M+ spec atm? Wanna regear through mythic and make it easier on myself
i know outlaw was pretty strong M+ before i left, just not sure if its still best
white wyvern
Outlaw and Sin are very close. Sub is doodoo.
outer vortex
Sin with EB i assume
white wyvern
Yessir. 3x EB and 3x SS is BiS.
outer vortex
so not much as changed then 😛
white wyvern
Sin is PIA to gear. Outlaw is easy to gear.
outer vortex
raid wise this tier is Sin or outlaw looking better
i know sin always had better single target before
Well i currently have 2xEB and SS atm, with engi helm - need to look at new one
white wyvern
I believe the outlook is Sin; especially on prog.
outer vortex
well good, because i was sin before i took the break, so shouldnt be hard to remember how to play lol
white wyvern
Not much has changed. Welcome to Battle for Corruption
outer vortex
lol thx
white wyvern
I am curious to see how much corruption Method/Limit will be rocking.
full jungle
as much as they get drops/can afford i would imagine
light pebble
Hey, im having issue with my dps in raid even though im fairly geared and some rogues who are less geared then me are pulling more. How can I share/show what I do in raids for some feedback?
Im still learning rogue so im not sure if im fucking up some stuff thats making me lose a lot of my dps
white wyvern
Link the logs. Someone smart will look at them.
light pebble
Heres also the raidbots gear
https://pastebin.com/N6dz6eSH Heres a pastebin with links to the nyalotha logs over the past 2 days
rigid mango
I'll peak it when I have time
light pebble
Cheers. If one of the criticisms for the heroic is not doing the correct opening, I worked on that (and hopefully fixed) it during the normaal run after watching some videos
rigid mango
You're overcapping a lot
hollow stone
Should i drop my catchphrase?
“As long as you maintain your bleeds, use tb on cd, and dont overcap on energy or cps, you arent losing potential dps”
rigid mango
Bingo.
light pebble
How can I avoid overcapping? I always try to use envenom at 5 stacks if i dont need to use rupture/garrote
hollow stone
You might still cap during lust or high haste periods. But other than that, its almost impossible to cap. Env at 4-5 cp, mut otherwise, and maintain bleeds/tb on cd. Not really sure how i can help more if that doesnt make sense
Sin’s design is low apm. You should never over cap
If anything, most people have the problem of “under capping” (spamming too hard)
light pebble
hmm ok. Does that really make like a 20k dps difference though? Cause im siming at 52k and pull average 32-35k in raid
light pebble
I see. So if I did my openers correctly and didnt overcap, how much dps do you think I should be getting roughly?
Obvously its hard to hit the 52k on the sim, but around 45kish?
rigid mango
no clue
light pebble
kk
also should i just be auto attacking and pooling my energy once im at 4/5 combo points so that i can envenom and then spam mutilate back up to 4/5?
or how does the whole pooling thing work
rigid mango
hollow stone
Thats basically how pooling works but i highly recommend not worrying about pooling til youve got the opener n rotation down pat
Pooling is just optimization
(Pooling also plays around tb)
dense axle
pooling is just for getting 3x Envenom during a TB window
light pebble
Ah I see
dense axle
so at worst, youre losing out on 30% of one Env every 25s
dont go into TB with 0 CP and youll be a large part of the way there
light pebble
Are my traits correct as well? I heard that u want 3x DD but on sim it originally had to put nothing personal instead
Like what is the meta standard for traits atm that I should be aiming for
dense axle
probably get your opener nailed down first
dense axle
if you have 0 NP, NP becomes a bigger increase in the sims. It depends on what your gear is
the ideal gear has 3x DD for sure
(I think, that may have changed tho)
dense axle
so yeah, itll sim higher because you have 0
light pebble
Opener I've been practising was from a YouTube video by dratnos where he says with SS to go SS - Rup - SS - Ven - TB, then mut and envenom while keeping rup uptime but letting the empowered SS tick all the way down and when it's at 0, Vanish - SS - Envenom - SS - TB, continue as normal
Does that sound right?
Or is that outdated
dense axle
that sounds right for SS build
but I find that on vanish I want to SS Rupt SS instead of env. But if you refresh rupture earlier it probably doesnt matter
light pebble
Ok cool. So my traits atm are fine and there's not anything major im missing? It's just based on rotation and overcapping?
dense axle
I joined half way through, is this for M+?
hidden bridge
SS being what?
white wyvern
Shrouded Suffocation.
dense axle
Shrouded Suffocation
white wyvern
No it is for raid.
dense axle
have the sims revealed SS is back in the spotlight for ST dmg?
I know it's good for cleave fights
light pebble
I'm not sure, I looked on herodamage and some of the stuff on there seems to be wrong compared to my sims
Like for the trinkets as an example
Says galecaller > font
But sim says its wrong
rigid mango
Just sim yourself
dense axle
font+coral is strong as a combo
rigid mango
please ignore those sites
fading wigeon
when do you guys pop CLF if you are still using it in the opener?
at the beginning?
turbid zealot
opener then on cd i believe
fading wigeon
thank you!
light pebble
@dense axle when using font and coral, do I just font pre pull and then use coral for the rest of the fight?
dense axle
it's complicated
and in the pins I believe
the gist is this: font at 7s pre pull
opener
coral when it's up
when your vend is at 10s remaining on CD, use Font
use Vend when Coral CD has 10s remaining
Azerite power -> trinket -> TB/vanish -> Env -> mut -> Env -> continue burst
so you get 10s with both font and coral up
you use all your CDs during that time for mongo DPS
MA talent works best with it for the extra crit on the vanish
light pebble
Ok sweet ty
dense axle
def test it out ont he dummy. It feels amazing when you get the sweet spot
quasi pewter
you get 14s with both font and coral up
dense axle
ooh right
quasi pewter
also just read #tc-updates
dense axle
cause of the cast time
quasi pewter
there is a post about it
light pebble
Last question, am I meant to vanish after the initial opener (so after TB) or 24 seconds later when the empowered dot falls off?
turbid zealot
if your using ss after dot falls off
light pebble
Ty
hollow stone
That dratnos ss opener is old but still mostly correct. It would be g r g major essence vend tb blah blah
light pebble
Ah ok
dense axle
FYI my coral font usage is based on a MA build. using SS will change it because timings on vanish are different
hollow stone
Good bit to add, sea
light pebble
Aight sweet, I'll play around on the dummy for a bit and see how I go :D
turbid zealot
+1
dense axle
have fun!
hollow stone
Obv rng... but try to get away from ss for st. Ideally 1-3np, dd, new heart trait are better options if you get em. End of the day tho, sim yourself w the traits you have available to you
And dont forget to sim both ma and subt talents - reports of subt simming better for some even without any ss traits
dense axle
woah, really?!
hollow stone
Oh man, that opener takes me back... it will look like: m g r clf vend tb m etc
Told ya 😉
hollow stone
Similar to ss. Vanish after the first garr falls or during its pandemic window
turbid zealot
ait
hollow stone
Then resynch vend/van on next vend (hold vend for whatever it is, 15sec-ish)
dense axle
ok now I have to sim myself damnit
turbid zealot
thats gonna be so wierd 2 do without any ss traits XD
dense axle
@turbid zealot thanks, I hate it
hollow stone
It sure is
turbid zealot
Np
dense axle
hmm, not for me with my trinkets
I wonder if it really is that trinket combo that's doing that
hollow stone
Im not really sure whats doing it tbh. Just that its happening XD
lean path
Anyone who knows what enchants you should have for your weapons?
dense axle
Force Mult and probably haste?
turbid zealot
deadly navi quick nav most of the time
hollow stone
@lean path typically, force and your highest simming secondary (usually haste for st)
dense axle
or SIM YO SELF maybe
hollow stone
fo sho
hollow stone
Yet.. 😏
lean path
Sim says deadly and quick navigation is best for me.
lean path
But when I look at the ladder, -all- rogues use force multiplayer and versatility navi
turbid zealot
probs something 2 do with corruption affects
dense axle
^
hollow stone
Thats why you always sim YOURself, and not just do what others do. We’re all different
lean path
Thank ya o/
dense axle
we're all special snowflakes
hollow stone
Im offended that all snowflake emojis look the same
dense axle
lol
im offended at your offense!
yeah, tried my sim another way: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/b3ekPhyR2fE33cPfqZe2BZ
still coming out with font+coral and MA build
hollow stone
I havent been able to find a combo for myself either where subt no ss sims better either
dense axle
I have stars rank 3, you?
hollow stone
I have bad corruptions atm unfortunately. Got the free bracers, a t1 crit dmg, and a t1 mind flay
hollow stone
Buuuut. Havent done any keys yet so im still optimistic
hollow stone
Same
dense axle
my boots are 430 though, so I felt that ilvl stars nerf hard :(
went from like 36k/stack to 24k/stack :(
AFTER the 25% nerfs
hollow stone
Yea man, its def a feelsbad when your equipped is like 10ilvl lower lol
Benthic 2.0 baby
dense axle
hah
jolly agate
I was dreading to see if that was true
dense axle
I was simming up above 60k - more like 61...got my cloak minor, thought I'd be up int he 65k range...now I'm 58k :'(
dense axle
the nerf to stars
hollow stone
IS nerf prob
hollow stone
Also NA
turbid zealot
yikes
hollow stone
And you took our advice 
turbid zealot
oh shit
dense axle
it was so shitty - got my 75 neck JUST before raid, then I hop into disc and they're like "hey sea, check out the inf stars nerf" the hotfix didnt apply to my item until I zoned into raid so it was a slap in the face!
turbid zealot
LMAO
dense axle
you and your "dagger" and "higher ilvl azerite"...BLEH
next solar
i went through the entier EP tier without getting a single mythic dagger
rich wren
onyx crane
what's a good alternative when you don't have blood?
and I still suck at the N'zoth fight
rigid mango
clf
onyx crane
I don't look good on the dps meters on N'zoth and I really don't know what to do about it
dense axle
World vein is still strong, even with movement. As long as enough of the raid has it
hollow stone
Dont look at dps meters?
hollow stone
Sin isnt in raid to do crazy cleave and aoe
Thats what the rest of your raid is for
Just do st
dense axle
yeah, make sure to have them look at the boss dmg
hollow stone
And do it well
dense axle
or priority target dmg
hollow stone
Looking at just boss dmg always makes me feel better
onyx crane
I just focus on interupt on eyestalks and and go ham on n'zoth when he is stunned
well not just interupt but you get my drift
hollow stone
Sounds like youre doing exactly what you should be doing
graceful musk
if I mut up to 4 points should I env/refresh rupture or mut up to 5 ?
onyx crane
but then i end up with a 25k dps and get kicked cuz i was underperfomring
graceful musk
ok thanks
hollow stone
Idk what to tell you dude, maybe you should point out to your RL what sin is for
graceful musk
Any of you know what's the best way to grind blood of the enemy ? I just rerolled rogue and have zero essences
hollow stone
If they want pad, run sin aoe traits or go OL
drifting cloud
I mean if youre doing 25k you are underperforming
timber meadow
So looks like gorak is back on the bis menu?
turbid zealot
+!
onyx crane
nah i do a lot more on boss when it's stunned but overall dmg is kinda low cuz all the things die fast
timber meadow
herodamage new profile has goraks now instead of the raid shoulders
onyx crane
and I don't like to use vendetta on tentacles
hollow stone
Without logs we cant really tell you if youre doing things wrong
Based on what youve said, youre playing sin properly and the raid doesnt understand. But idk
onyx crane
well I was progressing for 5 hours non stop at that point I was worn out and it was my first time seeing the fight(did not ptr)
(i like your batman beyond avatar btw)
I also have razor coral but idk how much tha will do me on N'zoth
hollow stone
Would be better to post logs if you got em
Hard to provide advice based on a sim other than “you should get x or y”
Which isnt really helpful for you
onyx crane
my items seem fine idk what to do about that
shrewd iron
If you're running worldvein essence you first line it up with vendetta and after 1 minute with TB even tho it's on cd for like 5-9 seconds?
hollow stone
Wv on cd so it syncs w vend
hollow stone
On cd so it syncs w vend!
shrewd iron
sync it with TB or press it on cd
hollow stone
Lol
shrewd iron
it's a 1 minute cd
hollow stone
Ok. Ill say it another way. Do not save it for tb
onyx crane
if i get too much corruption it will suck so hard to play too much stuff to avoid
shrewd iron
Ok thx
onyx crane
vita is not bad on proper ilvls ?
hollow stone
Void is bad
narrow comet
i got both 445, guess i give them away
hollow stone
Vita is good. Even withour the set
Its probably safe to give away void. But i would prob keep vita. Sims will tell you
Depends what you got tho
narrow comet
aye simming again atm, but it's not going above razer/font 430 even
well razor is 445
dense axle
RE Coral: I mean it's not a terrible trinket. Kinda fun to use
works well with Vendetta and crap
narrow comet
aye but if another class in my raid bennefits from it i rather give it away
hollow stone
Not terrible at all, just kinda lame that its from a previous tier :p
onyx crane
if i mix my trinks up i maybe get about 1k dps difference but font and coral are a pain to us sometime
graceful musk
id a chest with ss ttk op useful ?
not sure If I should keep it for something like mythic etc
lost wharf
I checked Assa on herodamage and saw that it doesn't list Lash of the Void. Can you not get that as Assa?
honest vessel
you can, it's on our dagger
wild mural
dont we have twisted apendage on our dagger?
honest vessel
wait
let me check the names lol
lash of the void sounds like a tentacle spawning
whatever that one is lol
yup
twisted appendage
my b
wild mural
Do you know how the corruption works on our weapon? I know the question sounds stupid but like I got it last night and I only got Twisted Appendage 2. Is it rolling up or down based on chance?
loud light
on any item, once it rolls the corruption effect it also randomly rolls the strength of the effect (tier 1/2/3)
some of the weapons in nyalotha have specific corruption effects that always roll on them, some have unique ones to those weapons as well
wild mural
Yeah, i know that much I was just curious if our dagger was supposed to come with a specific level
but it sounds random
hybrid magnet
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
sullen hearth
does anyone know if the overclock subroutine punchcard is decent?
sudden trench
To much corruption? 😛
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rCyHVpn3pLfbP4wvesJorp
pearl pagoda
i just got a 445 wrist from junkyard but i feel like its trash lol
granite rampart
im at 65k with only 48 corruption
onyx crane
hmm
ofc it's trash, you got it from a junkyard!
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ffrLXA5BL2h95fdH67qR6s why do i sim 10k lower...
arctic walrus
✂️
shut willow
Do we know which of the rogue specs is going to be highest dps output for this new tier yet?
onyx crane
idk what scissors mean lol...
rigid mango
Sin is dope in the new tier again
arctic walrus
sin will do the most single target, outlaw will be good aoe and okay single target, sub is sub
arctic walrus
yeah idk what the fuck people were saying about it being a full outlaw tier
onyx crane
sin is and will always be the dopest
arctic walrus
so much single target/2 target
rigid mango
I actually think this is a prettymediocre tier for outlaw
civic palm
traits/sockets?
onyx crane
well yeah i have no sockets atm...
civic palm
Well there ya go.
Do Gear Compare, add your same gear but give everything a socket and see what that does.
Essences "right"?
onyx crane
my rings are ass? why?
strange python
No sockets it
Low ilvl
Go farm mechzgon
Mechzgon*
Fuck, mechagon
@sudden trench ig it's fun for logs but for mythic progression sadly you can't run that :(
sudden trench
haha ye ofc, i will have to play around with it
onyx crane
well I been on a 3 month break so i have not gathered much gear
onyx crane
nah it'saHavoc axe but you are in denial
halcyon zealot
thats a new one i didnt expect - sim telling me to drop one of my 2 NPs for a tradewinds
onyx crane
but the rings in itself are not bad for assa right? or should I take different stats?
strange python
Wat
@onyx crane sim
Always sim
Sim the possible rings and figure out which ones are better for u and farm them
Use droptimiser
rigid mango
Here we go
halcyon zealot
also when u guys are top gearing, whats the cutoff on increased damamge that makes yall view the change as worth it? +100? +500? +1k?
hazy geyser
but the real question is that enough? i've had both sim like 3k dps less than coral font
onyx crane
I am not that wealthy lol
halcyon zealot
like its telling me if i drop an NP for a tradewinds ill gain 101 dps, seems negliable
like thats one crit
halcyon zealot
yeah i want to keep it aswell
drifting cloud
at 100 dps I can understand, anything more you should be swapping
but just keep in mind next time you kill a boss 15s before vendetta how much better tradewinds would have been 😛
rigid mango
it's still not that big probably.
strange python
Wonder if Raden lighting trinket will... now be up there? -shrug-
hazy geyser
also you have to remember that 100 dps when you are doing 55k dps isnt as big as 100 dps when you are doing 20k dps in uldir
onyx crane
should I be affraid to use corruption? i mean the slows and stuff can be quite annoying in fights
strange python
10% buff on trinketd
Not enough
Coral still his
Bis, lel
And even more bis with socket and 455
Hope they buff wings more so I can run wings and coral
Cool effects lel
@onyx crane as long as u are below 40 it's whatever
60*
It's not that bad
As a rogue u can easily play around it
onyx crane
nah I will be 65
strange python
Just save ur disorient for it
Ok 60 and up is no bueno
Hay are u getting corruption from?
onyx crane
got carapace dagger and star wrists
drifting cloud
at 65 u ded
onyx crane
tha 85 in total 65 with cloak
drifting cloud
cloak7 will help
onyx crane
how do i check?
drifting cloud
it drops him down a tier ..
strange python
Think dagger rank 2
Wrists rank 33???
Can u sim it and link it btw
U can also see it on ur Rio profile it will show u
Like if u hover over that item it will say rank whatever
It will also show that in the items that u put in the sim when u sim in raidbots
tropic surge
yo, just leveled a rogue and i went outlaw but the rolling is starting to piss me off, read somewhere that assasination is pretty much the same(viability wise) as outlaw until +20. Is that true?
rigid mango
It's fine in literally any key lvl
Rank 5 last season was assa
Actually think he might've finished r6 but yeah
More than fine in literally every key level
tropic surge
great, i think ill swap when i get some daggers then
drifting cloud
just keep in mind getting bis azerite for assa is a nightmare
onyx crane
is it?
rigid mango
tis.
onyx crane
wv lucid are not that hard
leaden lichen
He said azerite not essences
rigid mango
bote + lucid strife vop
onyx crane
I should get vop up to rank 3 tho...
I can't stand pvp
It alway put me in a mood where i want to kick puppies
and/or strangle kittens
so those 2 are out of the question for me tbh
rigid mango
Then don't play rogue in m+
onyx crane
I'll manage 😛
tropic surge
is there an faq somewhere regarding assasination, or a guide you can recommend ?
onyx crane
in the pins
rigid mango
There's some info in the pins, the guide, and the wowhead/icyveins stuff.
tropic surge
thx
onyx crane
I'll just play M+ at mediocre lvl
I never aspire to be top ranking in anything anyway just want to be the best with what I have
I get too obessed with it if I try to play that way, ruining the game for myself
runic prairie
you do you, itll all work, out. dont worry.
chilly marsh
wanton pond
which shoulders and head give ss and eb ?
rigid mango
pistoleers/gold tasseled
cobalt pelican
a 10% buff is enough to make some of them usable over a 430 font i think
or at least close enough that it's comparable and you could drop font for ease of use outside of burst intensive fights
a mythic torment in a jar is likely a good thing to aim for, and if you accidentally coin a mythic wrathion trinket you're not gonna be crying i don't think
near coyote
Razor coral too good?
glass breach
i cant seem to find a list of corruption's to get or not get for assassin rogue. Does anyone know where i can find?
cobalt pelican
they're changing pretty frequently currently
but t he 'good ones' are basically good for every class
glass breach
well i feel like the big purple beam one is meh so i just wanted to confirm is all
glass breach
only thing is im at 30 corruption is that to high?
rigid mango
39 is the cap p much
glass breach
ok so i guess i can keep it for the gain but get rid once and if i get a better piece
@cobalt pelican thanks for the link btw
teal frigate
just wondering whats a good level of corruption to be at
onyx hedge
My gear is so far behind. Was busy so my neck not 75 yet so ik that is 2-3k dps increase but i can figure out where im losing so much dps https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hjumgJeEWUWDaoighUCeQG
crystal vault
what about font+galecallers and WV major ?
wild mural
I think the general consensus is if you run WV major + GC you better pray to god you don't have to move your character.
cobalt pelican
it's just objectively worse than coral in every sense
and your gear just isn't good spazy idk, no new azerite, lack of sockets in general, single corruption that's not particularly great, missing minor, not simming worldvein etc
i'm not even sure how you'd play font galecallers cause you would literally need to not use your first galecallers at all till 1min, and then skip the 2min galecallers too..
onyx hedge
Yeah i came back late, i aint been lucky on sockets, i have run 30+ 6s for corrupted gear
nothin
dogshit rng
crystal vault
But aren‘t there to much Fights with target swapping etc, where coral lose valuable?
cobalt pelican
yeah i mean it's fine to not have stuff, coming back at tier start is the best time, farm m+ next week get a couple azerite pieces and you're fine
coral might lose value but coral is like what, 4x the value of galecallers if you're playing font?
and it's not like galecallers gets better when you have to swap targets
onyx hedge
Already cleared half of heroic and doing the other half on monday and i was unlucky with gear
crystal vault
So Font+coral till shadowlands 
cobalt pelican
either that or coral+torment in a jar, likely
onyx hedge
got 460 boots and then the Writhing Segment of Drest'agath
cobalt pelican
like i'm pretty sure everyone is going to want a torment in a jar for some fights
even if they have a 445 font
but mayb not
zinc zodiac
i've done a ml+13 with torment just now and the damage at the end was 7.2m it's pretty good for aoe
unkempt solstice
anyone happen to know if you can kill Vor'koth twice in 1 day for the skinning recipes?
rigid mango
versed mica
For M+, iris sims better for me, but I keep hearing claims that bote is just straight up better no matter what anyways. Who do I listen to? lmao
narrow comet
listen to zine 😛
drifting cloud
dungeon slice for assa is not that super accurate
rigid mango
Bote does better ST and even though it might not peak as high it's a way more versatile essence than iris is in its uses on packs of many shapes and sizes
open wolf
Hello, do we have any haste cap?
proven talon
whatever sims best sir
open wolf
ok was just wondering
because i started getting sims for crit enchants and gems now
so im guessing around 20% is cap?
proven talon
there is no cap sir
rigid mango
All our stats scale prettt linearly
Just means other stats have to catchup to one another
sudden ravine
When I was testing the Vita+Void trinkets together, I was getting erratic procs, wasn't anything spectaular. But I was looking at a log, and someone was getting both procs + the orb simultaneously, every time. Any idea what that's about?
robust gull
so gushing wound is our best dps per corruption?
does much change with the hotfix last night, or is that mainly for lower ilvl gear like from WQs?
spare flame
Can someone tell me that the trinket buffs will eventually mean I can bag Coral and never look at it again?
Feel free to just outright lie to me
quiet parrot
so my ST DPS has been lower than it should be, and i think its because ive been doing Gar after vanish/stealth.
For ST build i should be doing vanish/stealth into TB, correct?
Im running 3x DD and no SS trait
low junco
st as of master assassin talents?
low junco
its not like a big dmg loss but u generally do less damage
quiet parrot
it feels weird to envenom out of stealth
light pebble
@turbid zealot You having much success with galecallers > font?
supple pelican
hidden bridge
time to bust out the stam flask
plain moon
460 raden trinkets beating 445 font+coral after buffs
tranquil tusk
@quiet parrot "It feels weird to envenom out of stealth," man, what are you talking about? You surprise a dragon or an old god by coming out of the shadows, and you want to wrap some wire around them?
Oh no, I lost circulation in my wingtip or 1785th tentacle, what'll I do?
No, my friend, you do the right thing - you stab them good and proper.
whole mantle
wich essence use for M+ on major ?
arctic walrus
blood is best by a long shot
icy ember
wdym after buffs @plain moon
arctic walrus
if you don't have then iris works
plain moon
they buffed raden trinkets today
whole mantle
i dont have blood kkkk what is the second best ?
arctic walrus
whole mantle
oh sorry
unborn root
Is the raden 2set something worth using? using a 450 azshara and ashvane trink combo atm
icy ember
yo what about for a raid? @arctic walrus
arctic walrus
what about raid
as of right now no kaz, we'll see how the 10% changes things up though
icy ember
what essences do you use 
arctic walrus
wv major then probably sim your minors
if you have high corruption/a good piece you go with lethal strike, lucid, and iris
if you don't replace lethal with strife
plain moon
problem is with raden trinkets, even though they sim a bit higher if u lose health the crit trinket loses value
icy ember
ye worldvein has been simming the best for me major
so im trying to use it, it feels awkard to have 1min cd
unborn root
I think the raden haste trink is simming better than my mythic font atm
definitely easier to play 
arctic walrus
just use it on cd, apart from instances where you know movement is up ahead
a lot of people in your raid should be running it
and almost all fights encourage somewhat of a stacked comp in nyalotha
outer sorrel
is the coral debuff staying up on Skitra when she moves into the "find the right add" phase ?
uncut cave
I tried using m plus trinkets for skitra and 99 logged as opposed to purple logs with coral. But I'm sure I used for wrong there
Used coral wrong'
plain moon
You dont have to reapply it
arctic walrus
well unless it was hotfixed from last night, she had 1 stack at 20%
in my personal experience
plain moon
just did a quick heroic re run tonight and i didnt have to reapply
i was arguing with the hunter in my guild cause i thought i had to reapply but I didnt
real bay
had to apply as well
plain moon
only problem is you dont gain stacks on the down phase ones
real bay
raden trink plz be better than stupid font now
plain moon
even with it slightly outsimming I dont like raden trinkets rn. since during prog your going to end us losing the shroud on crit trink
sterile ocean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9CrnwYe2RJLERHECWWmNEM font got nerfed it looks like
sterile bane
what is the different between dps per corruption and absolute dps
arctic walrus
idk man
it's weird
if something has more dps per point it might be more worthwhile to stack
drifting cloud
you said you had no corruption you liar
plain moon
I wonder why the swing in wrathion trinket is so diff for us
arctic walrus
I would've assumed something to do with how our hastes are valued but it seems like you value haste even less than I do, prior to picking up the dragonscale
plain moon
Yeah I have to sim stat weights to see what theyre like now without font
this is mine as font+coral
arctic walrus
ah yeah nvm
it's always the simple answer that I skip over
you're on weekly
nightly build sim
plain moon
aaaah
arctic walrus
nah man we're prisoners
faint harness
Blizzard should nerf font
versed mica
Anyone got tips on the first boss for sin? I feel like every time my cds come off, wrathion fuckin does his teleport bs
arctic walrus
wait to use em
versed mica
I mean, that's what I do
idk, maybe I'm just hating not being on the boss for such a long period and it drives me nuts. Idk I'm half asleep
brisk forge
sterile ocean
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/figq6RWMmPVMJKvYLxamf1 siming low even on nightly build
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gsS3LytJKeCQ8wGoDNTPPn My gear is fucking horrible at the moment lol Can anyone else make anything higher out of that sim. if peeps willing to put the time in
x4 + loyals in my raid still so keeping behemoth chest
arctic walrus
If it’s rank 3 then yes
turbid osprey
yeye got all the ones before this season rank 3, ty
arctic walrus
You only have 3 gems, 1 corruption item, low leve azerite
@sterile ocean wv should be your major, so drop clf. You are running subt/ss when you can just go MA with hod on your chest piece
sterile ocean
umm im doing what sims tel me
turbid osprey
are you simming wv+3?
arctic walrus
And as for scale vs font, yes a 460+ will beat out the 430
You’re simming 10, which probably throws it off more than helps
turbid osprey
😮
arctic walrus
Put it to 4 because that’s the “max” basically
sterile ocean
im not useing clf?
arctic walrus
You shouldn’t be
arctic walrus
Your sim is using it so
sterile ocean
cause it was telling me to use it before
turbid osprey
(is scale the wrathion trinket?)
arctic walrus
Put wv down to 4 allies instead of 10 and redo your essence sims
sterile ocean
it was 4 before but ok?
arctic walrus
Humming black dragonscale yes
turbid osprey
huh, thats odd vel im sure last i simmed it that showed as being bad for me (im using 445 coral 430 font atm)
oh unless thats because font has a socket
sterile ocean
i have it set to 4 dunno why it says 10
arctic walrus
All these people simming their 430 font vs dragon scale come up with it being <100 dps better. So I wouldn’t be surprised if a socket makes you keep it equipped
turbid osprey
mmm ok yeah that is prob it then
harsh sphinx
460 socketed scale < font for me still
turbid osprey
pls no font all tier
harsh sphinx
with both clf and wv as major
tepid ridge
I wonder with wich amount of corruption it will be okay to play with in mythic as sin
any speculation? couldn't try it out still not enough corru :x
young portal
@arctic walrus you saying we should be running WV major?
sterile ocean
they told me that and raidbots dont even tell me to
young portal
Clf sims better for me as well, so just curious
shy dust
You’re only simming 3 minors
One of which is including worldvein
So when you’re running major Worldvein you’re missing a minor.
peak saffron
why are you playing SS and Subterfuge?
shy dust
He needs more corruption
Because heart of darkness is a dead trait to him because not enough corruption
sterile ocean
uhhh my cloak
shy dust
You need 25 after resistance
sterile ocean
resists 27
turbid osprey
yeye forgot it was after resistance
sterile ocean
all good
turbid osprey
dont think about corruption much yet since i dont fkin have any 
you sim about 1k less than me atm https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vQqvTiRTv4rMLsxvQszsmw
sterile ocean
i also had shit luck trying to get pieces with corruption out a M+ i gotten 1 piece with corruption and it was the worst one
whys it saying Potion of Focused Resolve?
im curious
sterile ocean
yeah
sterile ocean
we suposed to be useing that?
sterile ocean
wtf
turbid osprey
its using 131 agi food as well
???
up another 150 for using haste food
im confused at why it does that
sterile ocean
🤷♂️
severe sedge
where can i find ifo on what corruptions are best for rogues?
versed bobcat
Boys, any suggestions what are the 2(!) go-to-bosses for us in Nya (mythic). I need to decide for two except carapace and nzoth.
shy axle
anyone got to test how stars is now after the ilvl-dmg-change? Still that op? Finally in line? to weak?
rigid mango
Like I've been saying even pre nerf, inf stars will end situational for single target fights because of random miss fires on multi target. It's now not the best dps/corr anymore but still ends up one of the highest in general and will be potent. As for others, EV is looking like the best all in all, works on every fight, gives you cleave and single target without punishing both etc. There's also the dark horse in gushing wounds, an effect that isn't on any of the weapons but random roll on items static at 15 corr and is currently the highest in dps per corr and is probably just as widely useful in nya in general.
I'll be making some pin saying all of this that's less of a clusterfuck typing wise.
strange python
Did you all farm islands for 75?
rigid mango
You defo don't have to.
strange python
Well I am doing pretty much every ap wq and still 50% to 75, guess a bit of island farming
hushed maple
so ehm are the mechagon rings not working as the tooltip says?
I just did some little stabbing on a dummy(from behind) for 48Seconds
and I ended up doing insane 21k dmg with the rings
lmao
distant lava
15s internal cd
hushed maple
uff
distant lava
that's why the haste one is the best
hushed maple
damn my Font is still simming higher than gale
440 gale and 430Font
do we still pot fury?
tropic ocean
yes
compact sparrow
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mighty elm
why tf subterfuge simmin higher
mighty elm
I like subterfuge playstyle, but not with 0 SS, so prob stickin to MA aswell
rigid mango
I think you just go back to old opener
G > mut > rup
Instead of the mut rup mut opener
rigid mango
Don't you have clf/blood either?
distant lava
when it sims the highest
rigid mango
But essentially when you're starving on energy after your opener
Think it was sub 70 or something
Generally wont be used during lust etiher
shut garnet
rigid mango
Don't think so
meager bridge
Did anyone experiment with WV instead of CLF?
quasi pewter
people did yes
warm parcel
Wv is good if you can sit in it while bursting
And t25 uses focused pot due to it having full gear and infinite stars
dno how it is post nerf
meager bridge
Shouldn't be a problem
sterile bane
Ye
warm parcel
well wv gonna suck a lot on last boss fex
meager bridge
Aight nice, will test it
warm parcel
you aint sitting still for any time at all
meager bridge
True
warm parcel
Quite useless to pop all shards and then move out
meager bridge
But I don't rly care about the last boss yet, since we won't see him any time soon
warm parcel
Where as blood will stick to the target running along you
meager bridge
Aye
rigid mango
idk blood just seems like the most consistant prog one
meager bridge
Well, not sure about bote > clf
rigid mango
bote just packs more into 20 sec windows
meager bridge
Mhmmm
warm parcel
If you need 2 min burst cycle, clf doesnt answer that either
rigid mango
Which is what this raid seems to favour
warm parcel
Clf might be better overall
warm parcel
It really comes down to what assa gets assigned as this tier
meager bridge
True
warm parcel
Thats assa 😄
meager bridge
Seemsgood
warm parcel
Sub on paper seems so good on some of the bosses
meager bridge
Zine, you wrote that sub scales better though?
warm parcel
But man does the spec just suck
meager bridge
I'd love to go sub for the entire thing tbh
warm parcel
I mean some bosses have really quick target swaps/burns that assa has nothing on
So mfd sub again on paper sounds like the dream
rigid mango
Idk how well you can shuriken in the downstairs on nzoth but
They have such wet noodle CD for the burn phase
warm parcel
L
meager bridge
warm parcel
Also regarding the flame talk some weeks ago; wont happen
rigid mango
Outlaw looks potentially good on carapace and hivemind but like
warm parcel
When I was saying crucible meta could happen
drifting cosmos
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warm parcel
But as the dmg buff essence isnt raid wide it sucks so hard
rigid mango
Yeah it's good as a minor too
warm parcel
Flame?
warm parcel
I think flame is lowkey the pick for nzoth
rigid mango
Major or minor
rigid mango
I thought about that too
quasi pewter
like it already doesnt sim bad
warm parcel
Yea it sims alright already
meager bridge
I mean, it's probably better than iris minor on that fight, since we're swapping quite a bit
warm parcel
Strife lucid and one corr reduction are imo solid minors
meager bridge
Aberrations y
rigid mango
Too lazy honestly
warm parcel
Sucks to lose haste tho
rigid mango
But yeah i think like
Breath will be standard slotted into 3rd
as soon as we get r3
warm parcel
O yea
rigid mango
Shit slaps
Just gonna be lucid + breath + iris/strife probs
Havn't done enough sims yet
But also, corruption fucks everything upn so
meager bridge
Haste is bis now because of corruptions, right?
tropic ocean
no
warm parcel
no
meager bridge
Ohh good
rigid mango
It's 3rd/4th for me consistantly
tropic ocean
haste is my worst stat atm
meager bridge
Only running 17% rn
tropic ocean
🙂
meager bridge
Lmao
tropic ocean
well, its better than agi
warm parcel
Yea it might be lowest rn
tropic ocean
but worse than rest
rigid mango
But it's like, really up to your corruption that's the thing
tropic ocean
think with echoing vers is pretty good
rigid mango
I've got crit based ones
tropic ocean
or at least sim tells me to use conflict and crit vers
rigid mango
Haste is pretty low for me in general, just wants crit and like mast or some shit
warm parcel
No I mean highest as in amount on gear atm
meager bridge
Oh yeah there's a shit ton of haste in the raid
warm parcel
O rly
rigid mango
For me atm yuh.
warm parcel
I still have haste the most
rigid mango
but my corruption feeds off of crit
warm parcel
Crit close second at 1600
rigid mango
like a motherfucker
meager bridge
tropic ocean
im at 900 haste 1700 crit 1300 mastery and 400 vers
and it tells me to get more crit vers and reduce haste
warm parcel
tropic ocean
😛
warm parcel
Pls no 0 haste assa
tropic ocean
which is potentially great
rigid mango
Like
rigid mango
It's not up to that it's really just like
sooo corruption based
Like my stats changed 4 times during 1 raid night
meager bridge
Sin in m+ 
rigid mango
Because I got so many diff corruption pieces
quasi pewter
