#assassination

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plush remnant
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You guys sim worldvein with any allies? Heard the minor part of it is still bugged

granite rampart
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its my highest major with just one additional ally

fallow otter
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@dull root yep, equip infinite stars, profit

tepid ridge
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is raidbot sim a bit outdated or herodamage is wrong with azerite trait from the raid? my droptimiser pref a 2nd NP than a 1st raid trait tentacle3

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looks weird to me

real bay
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That corruption level trait?

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have you equipped enough corrupt

devout thicket
late plinth
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if i have 2 of the same rank 1 corruptions how does that affect? tried googling but couldnt find anything

brazen blade
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Guys, where I can find top chart of corruptions for assa? Can't see in guide

jaunty arrow
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Infinite star is da wae monkahmm

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On wowhead is smth just open rogue guide

next solar
feral flare
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Is it best to stack double dose or a variation of the others?

sullen hearth
real bay
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simming the same with 3 essences and r2 void

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like EV tbh it just blasts

distant lava
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ye

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is blood minor simming higher than conflict for you ? dogeThink

real bay
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iris minor sims most now but not sure what 3nd when I have 75neck

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behind xddd

distant lava
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yeah was talking about the guy that linked the sim

dense vale
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
sullen hearth
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@distant lava apparently I only have Rank 1 CnS anyways . Just came back

distant lava
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wait you have rank 1 conflict but rank 3 blood ? what a madlad

strange python
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Is this week stormwind vision?

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Are you guys running pure st builds in visions?

gritty linden
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
sullen hearth
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@distant lava yeah

candid anvil
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460 piece of trash, I only play m+ and this is like I didn't even do the warfront... 430 ss+eb still better imo

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harsh sphinx
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been swapping between ss/eb and st variations

sullen hearth
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well I hit 1200 ratiing last week

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gotta do it again

knotty pond
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BIS ESSENCES to take for sin?

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if i dont have perfection?

shut garnet
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for what

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raid or m+

knotty pond
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raid

shut garnet
young portal
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Which 2 mecha rings are we after? Is it Loop of Division and Overclocking bit band?

shy dust
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Backstab haste

young portal
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Thank you!

uneven summit
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so WV actually worth ?

strange python
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depends on your corruption and who else runs it

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sim it

uneven summit
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yeah

real bay
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we will see soon enough what people actually use, wv sims good but..

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maybe on some boss

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having to rely on not moving doesn't seem worth few hundred dps

ornate meteor
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if im using worldvein, where do i pop it? is it after i use vendetta?

steep obsidian
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ive just been using it the same way we used clf on opener

ornate meteor
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alright

versed bobcat
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Still curious 'bout botE on ST.

rigid mango
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What about it

shy axle
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anything special you def want to extra coin this evening?

distant lava
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2 last bosses

ornate meteor
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if im using font coral, i pre font then go in, apply coral then when do i take the coral buff? on 2nd vendetta?

steep obsidian
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that is in the pin

ornate meteor
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aight

real bay
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yea use for each vend

steep obsidian
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yeh^

dapper bough
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  • Use font 4s precombat and after that pretty much on cooldown as long as Vendetta has less than 20s on its cooldown.
  • Then, with in-fight Font, the idea is to hold Vendetta(+Vanish) a bit to make it also profit from Coral. It's a gain to hold it until Coral is ready (hence the 20s condition above) but...
  • If a Toxic Blade is coming up before Coral (which is the case in default fight timings) it's better to Vendetta right before TB and then use Coral ASAP.
  • Summary of example timings: 4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16.
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@ornate meteor

versed bobcat
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Can someone tell me how many heroic bosses I need to kill to craft 465 item(s?) is it per item or once? As - how many do I need, how many does each boss drop. Thx in advance

sinful latch
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do you mean 470 items or?

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heroic bosses drop 10 each and it works like it did in 8.2

strange python
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good point, is there any quest i have to accept to craft like in 8.2 ?

sinful latch
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so it works like it did in 8.2

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the quest is a drop

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from minions of N'zoth

versed bobcat
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Erm okay and how many do I need? Since limit boys already crafted 470 yesterday (after killing just a few bosses)

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Looked like I only needed 20

sinful latch
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well

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no

distant lava
sinful latch
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20 is for 455

strange python
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thank you, what the name from the item that start the quest?

sinful latch
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guide is on wowhead go read it there

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and yeah it is smarter to ask general wow questions in well... wow-general 😛

strange python
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okay ty now b2t

knotty pond
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crimson tempest gonna be viable anytime soon?

distant lava
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it's already viable

strange python
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@knotty pond it's used in the majority of m+ wdym?

knotty pond
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for raid also?

strange python
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Hey , witch boss u want to coin for ur first run ?

rigid mango
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never for raid fam @knotty pond

surreal solar
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carapace is the one to coin most due to weapons i believe

atomic willow
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anyone know a WA that shows what gearset I've got equiped from my equipment manager? Last night I had on my trash gear set for 2 bosses and didn't notice till after pull....a WA would really help me make sure that doesn't happen again

radiant dragon
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Should i use worldvein resonance if only i use it?

rigid mango
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Sim it (:

radiant dragon
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Aww( Okay

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Can u recommend me some twitch channel for upgrade my pve skill?

shrewd night
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I can recommend to practice and run the content you want to run to increase your comfort with the content and the rotation. Watching twitch aint going to do much for your personal skill.

radiant dragon
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Oh, okay

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thx u)

frozen karma
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Out of curiosity why are people saying to bonus roll on last boss? the azerite seems pretty ordinary

shy axle
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better ilvl would be my thought

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the jar people mention here, is it the jar that you loot in tos or in nyalotha?

frozen karma
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the jar from nyalotha

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for m+

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is quite good

tall maple
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What bosses you guys bonus rolling?

hollow junco
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wraithion for dagger, then last two

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that's it for me

surreal solar
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Carapace, Carapace has the best dagger

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after that, im waiting for mythic/late heroic

raw dove
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it has a ficed corruption tho ?

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fixed

surreal solar
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who knows, outside of lucky corruptions otherwise, its pretty much a solid ST upgrade no matter what

raw dove
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right

hallow coyote
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So Memory sims well but I never see anyone in here talk about actually using it. Do yall have issues with it in practice?

raw dove
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I don't have any gushwounds or infinite stars yet anyway

surreal solar
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i never use memory as major, but its a lock for minor

shy axle
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yep i always use it as a minor. Atm i am simming best with wv major, lucid + iris minor. Did not unlock slot 4 yet

keen bloom
shut garnet
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not really

keen bloom
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rip

hallow coyote
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Only 430

minor thicket
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Last night our guild killed first 4 bosses on heroic, one thing ive noticed this is not a parse raid nor is it a heavy dps raid. Many of the bosses have a lot of breaks or small intermissions

keen bloom
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Its almost same as benthic boots right ?

surreal solar
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its slightly lower actually, but the socket might just barely save it

candid anvil
surreal solar
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depends on sims

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but probably

strange python
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Sim the pins bro

quasi pewter
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devestation is pretty good

candid anvil
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Wish I was druid tank and dropped this..

quasi pewter
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r3 did like 9% ~ of my dps in m+

candid anvil
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Fr? Thats alot of procs

daring dagger
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you guys using bote or clf as major? as far as I understand it, bote = better burst / clf = better sustained (overall dps).

tired galleon
daring dagger
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yeh i did, question was more regarding which one is better for the new raid

wet zealot
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Is the mechagon ring combo any good for Assassination ?

hollow stone
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Afaik, mecha rings are bis for all dps. But, i havent actually bothered to look into it more yet so this is just feelycraft atm for me

urban junco
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I'm pretty sure they are unless some dope corruption is there instead.

strange python
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you can get corrupted mechagon rings so yeah they're bis

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unless there's a spec that absolutely hates haste/mastery I guess

surreal solar
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mages are going for the every 3 gcd's do 5k

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all dps want the mech rings

honest plaza
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Hey guys outlaw here stepping in to get some raid help, what’s the Azerite setup for assa st/raid? The pins won’t show up for me

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!azerite

prisma monolithBOT
honest plaza
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Damn I probably should’ve typed that first, carry on 😏

ripe gulch
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what do you guys think the best raid trinks are for sin

quasi pewter
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font coral

strange python
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does the raibots APL line up Wraps of Electrostatic Potential with toxic blade?

outer lotus
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how do i use bote with 3x SS but 0 echoing blades? still just spam fok in it?

strange python
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with 0 eb you'd probably spend on envenoms into your toxic blade target unless there are a ton of mobs

outer lotus
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yeah thats what ive been doing, ty!

minor thicket
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just a general question when playing with subterfuge why is hast not as important to keep high? Is it because your relying more on the bleeds to multidot them so you generally want more mastery and crit?

quasi scroll
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When running MA do you just mutilate from stealth on bosses?

spring topaz
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is there any reason some people run with one twist the knife? i could run with x3dose or x2dose 1xtwist sims tells me x3 dose, but im kinda confused tbh.

strange python
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@minor thicket you have infinite energy with 4 dots up and fan of knives is a 1 sec gcd regardless of haste afaik, rendering haste essentially useless on aoe

minor thicket
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cool thanks just wanted confirmation

strange python
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@quasi scroll yeah, mut->rupt->mut if the first mut crits and you end up at 4 CP, mut->mut->rupt otherwise

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maybe the most asked question, but we re goin worldvein major right? at least for hc

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what major essence we using in 8.3 nwo?

halcyon zealot
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any word on what stats people are rolling for on crafted items?

scenic grotto
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Is SS over DD this tier in terms of traits?

halcyon zealot
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think i might just stick with the classic crit/haste for crafts, even tho mastery seems to be simming a little higher, think crit/haste more reliable long term

buoyant raptor
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I lurk but thank you all for the tips and tricks! Very helpful

severe sedge
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whats up with mastery? sims top for me:S

plain sleet
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
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Working out that shit as we speak.

quasi scroll
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thanks @strange python

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curious how sims work

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Do they datamine stuff like proc rate etc?

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and assume "perfect" playstyle etc?

rigid mango
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There's numbers to everything that anyone can see

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There's an APL that has a rotation that is quote on quote "perfect"

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That plays out a standard 5 min fight as well as possible

quasi scroll
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so e.g. application rate for stacks of inkpod is all just known?

rigid mango
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Correct.

quasi scroll
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nice

rigid mango
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Effects have PPM's, proc per minute, that is fixed

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Unless it's "hasted" i.e haste makes it proc more often

quasi scroll
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ah, I had wondered about that

strange python
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so should we follow the sims or hold off and keep haste/crit gear

rigid mango
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Always follow sims.

strange python
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even if it sims mast higher than haste?

rigid mango
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Why would that be wrong?

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All stats are +- same for sin fam

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Just about what you're wearing and how much of each that impacts the value of them

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So say you have fuckall mastery it'll want mastery

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But rn there's funky stuff going on, correct I bet, but I can't find the soul reason for the spike in certain values like I could last patch

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Which is what I'm working on rn.

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As per usual I'll be sharing the info when I know more 😄

honest plaza
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I see

empty badge
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how high is fallen stars simming? I dont have a piece to sim but just wondering theory wise is a 410 fallen stars better than say, a pair of pants with perfect stats and a socket at 445

rigid mango
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Very.

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Sim yourself to see 😄

crystal notch
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what does "fam" mean pls?

empty badge
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it means sim yourself

rigid mango
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It's slang, essentially "dude"

white wyvern
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fam = family
Zine sees you as family.

rigid mango
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Erryone.

honest plaza
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So we should disregard the stat pyramid on bloodmallet?

rigid mango
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Always sim yourself > using bloodmallet/herodamage

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You don't have the same exact gear as those sims do

honest plaza
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Is standard patchwork fine for assa raid these days?

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Still trying to learn my perfect azerite options

rigid mango
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Yus

strange python
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zine do you know if the APL lines the mechagon bracers with toxic blade?

rigid mango
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5 min patchwerk is standard

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I don't think so(?), because it generally doesn't matter

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They're not good enough

honest plaza
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Would it ever be worth it to go ugly troll over hot be for racial

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🤔

rigid mango
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Such a small diff it wont matter

strange python
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even at a high ilvl? they simmed similar to my 445 socket bracers at base 445

honest plaza
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Thanks

strange python
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but idk if that's with using them with toxic blade every time or not

rigid mango
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Ah it's those ones

honest plaza
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anyone know a good video guide for assa? Similar to drats outlaw 6 part guide a few months ago

rigid mango
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TB is whitelisted so wont work there

zenith gust
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sims telling me not to use 460 eng helm and 460 nwrathion trinket :/ confusing

rigid mango
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Generally all rogue abilities that you'd think affect everything, like vend/tb/ma only affect rogue specifics @strange python

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Wrathion trinket sucks and engi helm might not be good enough dependant on what you lose

strange python
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Ah fair enough, odd that's it's specified as a nature damage proc but I guess it's just for flavor

zenith gust
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sad then 😦 thought i was lucky with the trinkerino

rigid mango
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Yeah but it wont matter

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For example inkpod is nature damage but wont get amped up by vend/tb

strange python
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yeah true

gentle fjord
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Anyone been trying WV major?

rigid mango
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Works if the fight allows you to.

halcyon zealot
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wtb a class that actually has good and bad stats so i can confidently craft 🙂 giving me anxiety

tired galleon
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I use it. Feels good on certain fight.

rigid mango
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I don't think it's worth to use on prog in general.

strange python
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I would just stick with CLF for now unless you care enough to swap between each fight even on normal/hc

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the fights it's unquestionably good on will generally just fall over anyway

rigid mango
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There's more potential loss with WV than there is with CLF in general, and during hectic prog it's simpler to play CLF/Blood than manage WV in the middle of fights, imo.

tired galleon
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From what I did last night there are def fights where it feels awful

gentle fjord
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Felt really bad on Inquisitor

honest plaza
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Ancient bulwark sims so high? But is not on any items recommended in !azerite, Is it not attainable or something?

rigid mango
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It is, on darkshore world boss gear(?)

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But not on active ilvl.

honest plaza
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I see thank you, was very confusing seeing double dose halfway down the list of recommended azerites... and then so saught after when getting to the actual gear section

fading stag
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Anyone know when to font/coral on Skitra? I tried after the illusion dies but getting the debuff feels really bad

worthy moon
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Hey guys, got some questions about pooling. 1) I assume I should try to be at 100% energy for TB windows?

  1. I assume I should also pool to 100% energy for Vendetta?
rigid mango
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You never want to overcap energy

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But you want to be in the 70% ish area normally if possible to be comfy for TB

gentle fjord
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Vandetta gives energy, really bad to be at 100%

rigid mango
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  1. no.
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Never pool for it at all.

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in the end pooling barely matters 😄

worthy moon
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So going into Vendetta at 0 energy (really hard because I use Font right before) is optimal?

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Guess I'll try to font earlier.

rigid mango
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You can use font up to 14 sec before

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(which is optimal if you've paired it with coral, which is also bis currently and might end bis even after the raid)

strange python
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font+coral gameplay feels so bad on progress, really hate how bad the new melee trinkets are

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essences for neck 75 in m+? 😛

vocal ginkgo
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do we always wait for CLF to use with vendetta?

rigid mango
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Bote + lucid vop strife

lethal heart
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@vocal ginkgo no

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depends on killtimer

rigid mango
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@vocal ginkgo yes wait with it if you wont lose a cast, if you don't know just use it

strange python
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my strife is rank 2 @rigid mango

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purification mb?

rigid mango
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Sure.

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Strife is real dope tho.

strange python
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vop = vision? for assassin?

rigid mango
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Yes.

vocal ginkgo
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i mean if the boss wont die within the wait time we always use it right? thats kinda what i meant

rigid mango
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If it'll die before you get another cast of CLF but after your next vendetta, you save it for that vendetta

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It's not a huge dps increase anyways.

vocal ginkgo
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ok sounds good thx peepohappy

drifting nimbus
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any bis trinket sims here ?

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for raid ?

rigid mango
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font coral

drifting nimbus
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what ?

chrome forum
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
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font and coral

drifting nimbus
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are the trinkets from waling city so bad ?

vital haven
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guys

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how is this possible

scenic grotto
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wtf

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hahaha

rigid mango
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I don't see what's wrong

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?

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@drifting nimbus yes, and the old ones are stupid broken 😄

pliant apex
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in the sin guide, the rotation doesnt mention when to use essence

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blood of enemy i mean

rigid mango
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That'd be in the pins I made 😄

pliant apex
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so i use blood of enemy after envenoms from vanish

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of use blood after vanish and then envenoms

vital haven
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use blood right before vanishing

pliant apex
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its confusing

rigid mango
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Huh

pliant apex
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AHHHh icicic

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ty

neat remnant
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The more mastery I get, the higher more mastery Sims for me. Mastery is now my highest stat and I'm still simming mastery ring enchants

rigid mango
pliant apex
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ahhhhhhh icicicicic

rigid mango
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And yuh, mastery litty atm dunno why really.

pliant apex
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you must one of worlds top rogues zine

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always on, know so much

rigid mango
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I'm really not 😄

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I'm just an e-janitor

pliant apex
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oh hehe humble i see

steady lotus
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quick/deadly navigation for wep enchants?

drifting nimbus
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vop now best eccence in minor ?

rigid mango
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@steady lotus whatever sims best for you

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@drifting nimbus no, it's good for m+.

drifting nimbus
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oh ok

shrewd iron
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You can't shadowstep to the racing flags anymore right?

rigid mango
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Correct.

shrewd iron
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F

pliant apex
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multi DD is good right?

rigid mango
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Yus.

quasi scroll
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I too am an e-janitor

pliant apex
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im just a janitor heheh

timber meadow
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just tryna think through coins right now

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heroic: dagger / last two boss azerite
and then have the rest saved for mythic?

rigid mango
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I'll just be saving all mine for mythic apart from 2 on last 2 hc

timber meadow
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okay, so the main difference between what I proposed and what you doin is just one less roll

rigid mango
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Yuh, bec the HC dagger from carapace is also 10 ilvls higher even if you get two you just get rid of the corr on one/both and you have 2 high ilvl daggers

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Also I'll be boosting the raid a fuckton this week so I'll have more chances to bonus roll carapace if I feel it's needed

graceful musk
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!azerite

prisma monolithBOT
timber meadow
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yeah last two bosses just have really good gear on avg

tropic ocean
limber dagger
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Guys i trying to figure out what talents to use for m+ and im stuck between PB and crimson, can someone give me some pros and cons?

rigid mango
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PB in kr/siege/tyr tos CT for the rest

limber dagger
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why is that ?

tropic ocean
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cuz kr tos has little trash

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and hard bosses

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and in siege the mobs have no hp

rigid mango
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Siege has like

tropic ocean
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theres only 1-2 big mobs and 200k hp mobs per pack

rigid mango
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Packs with 2/3 big things and 3+ small things

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CT as a bleed is kinda useless there

limber dagger
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hmm

strange python
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I have a pretty stupid question... Should i ever hold tb or how do i even use tb IDK pls help me be better

rigid mango
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It does also have last boss that's horrid

limber dagger
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do i only try to keep the CT bleed up or do i spam it as a finisher?

rigid mango
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You just use TB on CD.

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CT as a bleed.

limber dagger
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if i dont plan on running super high keys and i want to stick to one talent and dont switch it up all the time would you recommend me CT or PB? cause i kinda like the CT playstyle but i dont want it to be a huge dmg loss for lower (+1-10) dungeons

tropic ocean
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pb is always good

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no brainer

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on lower keys u are probably better off using 3 eb and spam fok over ct

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if mobs dont live the duraiton

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duration*

strange python
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Just use it? dont think about it. I heard something about spamming envenoms or something of that nature

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xd

limber dagger
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okay thanks 🙂

tropic ocean
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it depends on what u wanna do

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if u want overaell in packs u spam fok

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if u want to kill some hard mob

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u spam envenom into it

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with fok as builder

keen hill
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Is it best to spec for AoE on Vexiona (EB and SS/SoB) or go full single target with DD

rigid mango
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Full ST probs.

keen hill
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Ok, that's what I was seeing in logs. Would it be worth going ST talents and traits but taking Focusing iris

rigid mango
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No

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Like sin is mega breaindead you just slam the boss man

fervent beacon
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yeah

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take it from outlaw main, sin is just braindead

keen hill
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lmao works for me

fervent beacon
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you could be a zombie braindead and still do good dps

rigid mango
keen hill
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so what you're really saying is that I should go combat for that fight

fervent beacon
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Combat?

rigid mango
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If you really lack the aoe

fervent beacon
rigid mango
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There's no need for it probs.

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Sin slams the boss and unless you're really strugglign w adds no reason to swap

fervent beacon
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Got my 3rd corrupted item with stocket, 430 belt that give like 12% crit damage

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and I currently have 430 infinite star

tired galleon
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I slapped our outlaw rogue one vex with just fok and rupture spread on a few adds and slamming boss

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🤔

pliant apex
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what weak auras you using zine

quiet parrot
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Question on Maut, Phase 2, should cloak protect me from the reflect damage? Since i believe it registers it as magic reflect dmg.

rigid mango
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I use mizerok's

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
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Because he's in the discord and I can annoy him about help smileW

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Yes it should protect you

crystal notch
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I suggest Luxthos

robust gull
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@quiet parrot listed as arcane damage so i would assume so

tired galleon
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It does protect you..just be careful when cloak falls off

pliant apex
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of those 5 wa's linked, which ones the simplest

rigid mango
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Idk

pliant apex
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well one you use is lame

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just tried

rigid mango
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@civic palm look at this dude saying ur stuff's lame

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Nah for real idk, personal pref man try them out or search on wagio

jolly agate
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Someone who took the time to create and share a complex WA is lame?

pliant apex
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its not beginner/noob friendly

rigid mango
#

Idk, I was joking my dudes

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It's all down to personal pref

hazy iron
#

A noob wouldn't require any wa's

rigid mango
#

Don't noobs need them even more?

onyx crane
#

I was doing terrible dps on N'zoth fight and now i wanna cry

hazy iron
#

Well not complex ones which rearrange your ui

fervent beacon
#

I find Mize to be the simplest as it can get

hazy iron
#

Someone gett8ng the hang of something isn't going to be learning min-maxing on their first day

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Gotta crawl before you walk

rigid mango
#

WA's aren't necessarily for that though, are they?

hazy iron
#

Apparently that guy thinks so

onyx crane
#

aany tips on performing better on fights like N'zoth on assa?

rigid mango
#

They're for highlighting things in a nice fashion so you can have less visual clutter, no?

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Personal pref, nothing to keep talking about tbh.

hazy iron
#

I'm not arguing with you lol. He said they weren't noob friendly

pliant apex
#

ill shut up

rigid mango
#

The topic is pointless lol.

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It's fine my dude, pick whatever you feel is best

pliant apex
#

tbh i find all classes difficult, not trolling, ive failed so many trials in a row, i cant remember

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maybe raiding isnt for me

rigid mango
#

And if you want WA's get whatever you want man, this is some gatekeeping about WA shit that I've never seen before PES_Joy

pliant apex
#

yea not talking about them no more

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are you as pretty as the progile pic zine btw 😄

rigid mango
#

I'm a sex symbol.

drifting cloud
#

yes hes a qtpie

pliant apex
#

hehe

hazy iron
#

I wasn't gate keeping

jolly agate
#

Do we know which 4 essences to use for ST yet?

hazy iron
#

Jesus

rigid mango
#

Honestly whatever sims best.

pliant apex
#

ST means what

brittle lantern
#

Are there any good bar style WAs for sin dots? I'm not good at gauging numbers on icons

jolly agate
#

So sims are up to date?

strange python
#

Does... the types of corruption stack past Tier 3? For example I have boots with tendrils Tier 3 and the raid dagger Tier 2 tentacles.

rigid mango
#

WV is situational, blood/CLF diff isn't big enough

hazy iron
#

If I haven't played death knight before, how am I meant to understand an entire WA suite?

rigid mango
#

Single target @pliant apex

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I'll be using blood + lucid iris conflict for our hc clear

jolly agate
#

Just hit 75 yesterday, I'll sim top gear

rigid mango
#

I'll be mucking about with sims until mythic to see what I genuinly think is "the best"

jolly agate
#

Those are what I'm using atm

rigid mango
#

It also does come down to fights a lot.

neon sedge
#

I would like blood mallet to update trinkets

rigid mango
#

@strange python There's 3 tiers 1-3, nothing higher.

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Just sim yourself with droptimizer or gear compare my mans

#

better than looking at bm/hd

jolly agate
#

Got it, thx

strange python
#

Ok yeah I was confused because... man it hits hard lol but the risk for stacking a T3 and a T2 is not worth

#

Much appreciated Zine. Yeah I run sims nonstop. I semi dislike bm/hd XD

rigid mango
#

Yeh, they're good but also not as good as personal sims 😄

keen hill
#

Damn RIP subtlety rogues

strange python
#

100% agree haha

keen hill
#

34 heroic parses

strange python
#

Sub will rise again "hopefully" after their SL rework

rigid mango
keen hill
#

I hope so. It's a lot of fun

strange python
#

Sad Zul crushed it

rigid mango
#

sub dead let it be dead all rise sin

drifting cloud
#

Zul didnt crush it, zul was just the last stomp

strange python
#

Blizz said sorry those numbers are intended for 8.3

#

which boss i want to coins ?

neat remnant
#

I'm doing the last 2 and saving 5 for mythic

rigid mango
#

+1

neat remnant
#

Thought about doing carapace twice but idk if I want to pug a clear

neon sedge
#

Who’s been luck with streaking starts? I’m jealous

hazy iron
#

I would say sim pieces you think are worth it, but I might get labelled a gate keeper so

twin meadow
#

Is the opener with BotE still the same with Subterfuge? the pin says MA but it sims better for me with Subterfuge

rigid mango
#

You use it at the same place yeah vend > tb > bote > env

twin meadow
#

thnx ❤️

rigid mango
wet zealot
#

is 39 corruption and below what i want to stay at ?

rigid mango
mint quest
#

oh sorry whoops

rigid mango
#

@wet zealot probs

civic palm
#

If you can manage being over 39 then there's no issue, but being under 40 is just easier.

onyx crane
#

I am a sad assassin

rigid mango
onyx crane
#

i can't seem to dps anymore 😦

harsh sphinx
onyx crane
#

and i did 21k on N'zoth...

#

how am I broken...

rigid mango
#

You've typed it out 3x now

harsh sphinx
#

boon/coral

rigid mango
#

You're first time nzoth and it's a bad fight for overall, a lot of movement and you're not used to it

harsh sphinx
onyx crane
#

I have no proc trinket...

#

just unlucky

harsh sphinx
#

a lot of movement for wv/boon

tired galleon
#

Best part of nzoth is the no stealth opener

rigid mango
#

Hopefull that just changes for mythic honestly.

fading wigeon
#

with the state of the trinkets, is it still worth going back and doing ashvane?

#

for razor coral

rigid mango
#

For sure.

fading wigeon
#

damn ok

#

lol need to find people still doing it

graceful musk
#

how is assa in visions ?

#

is it worth it to swap to outlaw ?

rigid mango
#

Stealth bugged but really good if you're running in a group and don't care about stealth

graceful musk
#

stealth bugged >

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how so ?

rigid mango
#

Yus.

#

Drops randomly.

graceful musk
#

oh wow that can fuck u up badly

rigid mango
#

For solo runs aye

graceful musk
#

I have 5 flasks for vision in my bag so I'll wait for a hotfix

rigid mango
#

For sure better than outlaw in general though, if the stealth wasn't bugged it'd beat it by miles.

graceful musk
#

oh wow rly ?

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nice

rigid mango
#

Well you can swap pieces as you want

#

So for example for a person like me with stacked traits

#

I swap from 3 eb and mongo aoe to 3 ss 2 np 1 ttk between trash and the boss

graceful musk
#

well I only have sin pieces. I just only got the bis pieces from nyalotha nothing else

rigid mango
#

You have guaranteed leech, better aoe and better boss damage

graceful musk
#

I see

#

yeah ss seems really good in visions

#

rogue feels so fun after playing sp last tier lol

rough fog
#

Anyone have macro from Blind on Thing From Beyond when spawned?

regal hamlet
#

in theory /target Thing From Beyon /cast Blind /targetlasttarget should work

rough fog
#

Dont work

sacred moth
#

I was simming ~

round ledge
#

new essences any good for sin?

rigid mango
#

Sim them and see (:

round ledge
#

haha yeah nice one!

sacred moth
#

I was simming around 39-40k this morning, then azerite power weights told me to change everything, now i'm only simming 37.7k.. I'm so lost with this new patch it's not even funny. So no more nothing personal or shrouded suff? Just double dose and the new corrupted things? Has any guide been fully updated for the new raid? I've got a lot to catch up on apparently cause my stuffs all messed up..

dense axle
#

talents change too

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try Master Assassin

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and rotation changes as well

#

but SS is still good for M+

narrow slate
#

You're picking master assassin over subterfuge?

rigid mango
#

Generally the meta choice, yes.

sacred moth
#

I changed that and it did go up a hair but still not as close to 40k as I was. :/.

narrow slate
#

What's the rotation?

rigid mango
#

You use your vanish a bit diff

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and your opener is diff

#

Should all be in the pins/guide

blissful storm
#

when I use CDs on Vexiona (vendetta,vanish, GoA, TB) should I only focus the boss or should I also try to spread poisons on mobs?

#

I am actually talking overall about situation where I have a boss and adds near it

next solar
#

finally got a dagger

real bay
#

going on the adds when boss is up feels like a waste, if you have dh,fdk,arms. .

neat remnant
#

I'm basically just tunneling every boss right now. There are so many other classes that can handle all the other stuff. Just tunnel boss and fok for combo points when you can

crisp hollow
#

how should i go about carapace and nzoth as assassination

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debating just being outlaw for these 2

safe marsh
#

question ....if it an legit build to play 3x NP with 3x DD and VOP essence ???

steady ocean
#

does anyone have a good way to farm marks of honor for BotE?

rigid mango
#

@safe marsh no

steady ocean
#

alright thx

wanton pond
#

67K?

#

holy shit

dense axle
#

yeah, jeez dude. I thought I was hot shit at 60k

wanton pond
#

I only hit 51k, recently started gearing for sin

rigid mango
#

I mean you do realise it's just corruption

wanton pond
rigid mango
#
  • WV major sim
true thistle
#

you sick bastard

dense axle
#

I have preeetty similar gear

#

so that dagger is worth 6k DPS

#

vs mine

wanton pond
#

is the trait from goraks worth more than a NP?

dense axle
#

apparently

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1.1% more

wanton pond
#

which boss is the ring from?

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the awakened leviathans eye

dense axle
#

says JC ring

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oh, just noticed he has lvl 75 neck. So I'm missing a minor trait too

safe marsh
#

some tips to farm shred of insanity ?

rigid mango
safe marsh
#

@rigid mango Thx and sry ^^

rigid mango
#

👍

candid anvil
#

was fun with 45 corruption, so many slows and guys damaging me lol, but the dps gain from that corrupt (r2) isn't that high..

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outer lotus
#

without echoing blades and 3x SS does my stat prio change? like less value on crit and more on mastery or something?

candid anvil
#

While watching Seli, he used to play 3x ss and ttk-blightborne-np but didn't change his gear, still crit highest, so I guess nah..? Idk tho

dense axle
#

@candid anvil just get good and roll some infinite star corruption

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or echoing void

candid anvil
#

So this one isn't worth using? It even has versa-haste stats ><

dense axle
#

Infinite stars is still best ST. Maybe not most efficient, but highest DPS

rigid mango
#

@outer lotus You just want both honestly

candid anvil
#

I'm playing m+ only, are infinite stars best there as well?

rigid mango
#

Nah

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Good on bosses but coinflip on packs

candid anvil
#

I wish I got that crit damage increase..

dense axle
#

thats on a 4:55 min fight

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single target

candid anvil
#

what the heck blizzard, nice one

dense axle
#

yeah

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I went from being 2nd-7th on meters in EP to being 1st-3rd on all fights

#

Ive heard Echoing Void is best for M+ though

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zine will probably chime in if I'm wrong though

rigid mango
#

EV is pretty dope aye

#

Still unsure what is the actual best

dense axle
#

M+ is harder to sim accurately

graceful musk
#

what's the best time to use CF ?

candid anvil
#

Actually devastation is the best, based on bloodmallet hectic add cleave, but 5% from r2 is not much imo

real bay
#

that stars wtf

dense axle
#

best as in most efficient DPS/Cor? or best in straight DPS

real bay
#

r3 echo does like 14% st

graceful musk
#

efficeient

honest plaza
#

Is crit haste the best stats?

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St

dapper bough
#

I got one shorted because infinite stars damage proc the reflective shield from maut

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Shoted

hidden bridge
#

Does anyone know how the mind flay corruption works? Some fights its doign 10% of my dmg

#

Soem its like 4%

#

is it literally a crap shoot

dapper bough
#

Rng

south horizon
#

Did unbridled fury potion get nerfed, or did focused resolve get better for us? Been a while since i simmed potions and focused resolve is now a 600 dps gain for me over unbridled fury

urban junco
#

It's simming higher for some people apparently.

sterile ocean
#

did they change the stat priority?

#

or is it crit haste still?

rigid mango
#

Hasn't been like that for ages

#

Whatever sims best (:

sterile ocean
#

that dosent awnser my question lol

#

but ok

#

was talking in general

rigid mango
#

Yeah

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Literally it.

#

In general all of them are +- equAl

neat remnant
#

It's whatever sims best mate, mastery is currently my best stat because logic

sterile ocean
#

well yeah thats true

#

i thought it was crit haste you want to go affter

rigid mango
#

Do u think I just say shit that's a lie or what

#

lol

sterile ocean
#

🙄 nvm forget i asked

rigid mango
#

Will do

hidden bay
#

Zine talking shit as always 😡

leaden lichen
#

Are they equal in both st and mt?

gusty mirage
#

multi target as in what setting? trash in a raid? m+?

#

typically for trash & m+ haste loses a lot of value because mobs don't live as long so you don't get full benefit from the haste

next solar
#

CLF for the most part still feels better for dmg, worldvein is nice and all...lol

dense axle
#

are you kidding? WV when you can sit and burst feels so amazing. I'm getting up to 160k DPS bursts with lust

#

and WV lines up with Vend/TB/Vanish window

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and also TB on it's 1 min window

gusty mirage
#

plus if you have at least 3-4 people running it, it has a stupid good uptime (almost 100% if I recall correctly?)

dense axle
#

even on Xenash or whatever the azshara fight is, I had like 85% uptime. 100% during the burst phases when im pumping the most DPS

gusty mirage
#

yeah new WV is stupid good, CLF since nerf is kinda meh

cobalt pelican
#

95% uptiem of 4 stacks or 95% just general buff uptime

dense axle
#

hmm, lemme check

gusty mirage
#

of 4 stacks Nameless

#

I'm pretty sure

cobalt pelican
#

xanesh in a messy group seems like it wouldn't be anywhere close to 95% 4stack uptime

dense axle
#

dunno how to filter

#

and thats not a kill

#

but closest pull to it

#

so yeah dropped a few stacks during 2nd burst window, but third burst window was pretty good

opal minnow
#

xan isn't a crazy amount of movement though, its more like move to spot, stand there for 30 seconds

#

rinse repeat

late folio
#

@Tom-DBD#2535

dense axle
#

thats pretty good! you mustve had more people with WV

opal minnow
#

16 people

carmine solstice
#

sim says i should put my corrupted wep (infinite stars) to my off-hand instead of main-hand, is this valid?

opal minnow
#

is the ilvl lower than your mh

carmine solstice
#

nope, equal

#

both 445

quasi pewter
#

then it shouldnt matter

opal minnow
#

probs doesn't matter

vocal kraken
#

hey, when u got at least 1 infinite star haste becomes like super huge right?

wispy plaza
#

anyone else having issues with loyal to the end, had 4 people in my raid also using didnt feel like it was workiing even when people died didnt get a buff

cobalt pelican
#

there's a 15(?) yard range on the death buff

#

might be 20 i don't even remember anymore, but it's not raid wide

#

the regular trait itself doesn't have a buff ever

wispy plaza
#

ah okay thanks !

hushed maple
#

I dont even know, what my best stat is

#

when there is a green dps increase number

wispy plaza
hushed maple
#

I switch lmao

#

#Raidbots op

shrewd iron
#

how do I use wv essence with vendetta? Same as clf?

rigid mango
#

yus

white wyvern
#

@essence

#

!essence

prisma monolithBOT
timber meadow
#

anyone have a ss of the herodamage profile

#

just wanna see what they were usin

white wyvern
#

!help

#

!azerite

prisma monolithBOT
stable isle
#

any logical reason why the other rogue in my raid chose to run VOP minor today? assuming he has the basic essences even crucible or breath will be better right?

civic palm
#

Lots of NP and no other options?

stable isle
#

1 np trait which he got from maut helmet, didnt run NP at all throughout TEP

#

and yeah i'd sim him but he logged out in outlaw spec

rigid mango
#

No, it's bad

#

Unless you need it for specific timers, like zaq with echoes for example.

worthy moon
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
dark shoal
#

Does 1 SS can switch the stat weight? my mastery became 1st which is a mess to organize.

rigid mango
#

It'll switch weights yeah, but use top gear 😄

dark shoal
#

Well I dropped the darkshore 460 shoulders, with the versa second ring azerite trait, I wanted to try since herodamage says it's one of the strongest

little sandal
#

hello do we get corrupted items

#

from normal mythics

rigid mango
wet ruin
#

do you know if the formless void minor stacks

pearl pagoda
#

it will only refresh

wet ruin
#

eh, I guess it would be way too strong if it stacked

brisk tapir
#

what essences are you guys running for m+ this week

unborn rampart
#

suggestions for CD usaging on Drest'gath?

rigid mango
#

bote + lucid strife pp/vop

#

Idk depends a bit on timers rn, shit seems to be going so fast or so slow dependant on guilds

#

Will probably be more clear on mythic

quasi pewter
#

im running outlaw for m+ FeelsWeird

hidden bridge
#

jesus

#

mind flay corruption is so rng

#

literally some logs with 30% uptime and some with like 8%

#

can swing from like 4% of your damage to like 20%

#

proc rate doesnt even seem consistent

near coyote
#

@dense axle when you spoke of WV and 160k did you mean as major or minor

cobalt pelican
#

but you can't play hidden blades as outlaw?

dire folio
#

!trinkets

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!trinket

shut garnet
#

font and coral for raid

#

dice/spyglass+coral for m+

rancid blaze
#

what talents would you suggest for KR?

#

and also is it the standard essences?

short comet
#

still font and coral for raids?

outer lotus
#

Legitimately 2 posts before yours

shut garnet
#

yes, still font coral

#

they are by far the best trinkets available for us

frosty lake
#

is 3 echo blades all that is needed ofr assaination M+?

ocean jasper
#

And SS

frosty lake
#

fudge none of my peices have echo + SS its either or

#

2 echoing + SS still good or should i stick to outlaw just wanna spice it up abit

ocean jasper
#

2 of each is fine if you're just farming gear

sly rampart
#

Am new to Sim - where to I go to get help interpreting the stats weights?

frosty lake
#

i really just dont wanna lose to the DH

#

so 3 EB and 3 SS is the mythic + goal? hows the boss damage ?

rigid mango
#

@sly rampart ignore stat weights and use top gear instead (:

sly rampart
#

@rigid mango Thank you

sterile ocean
#

@sly rampart type /sim c copy the code and post it in stat weights and copy and paste the code on there to pawn

rigid mango
#

No because that's bad

#

And gives bad info that's outdated as soon as u replace one item

#

And doesn't take into account stats lost when you replace an item properly

#

And is alround a shit tool for optimisation but useful for understanding the reasoning behind shifts in power

#

So please avoid using them especially if you're new to the spec (:

sterile ocean
#

thats what i did and im doing just fine

rigid mango
#

Good for you bud

#

But you wont be optimal, atleast not forever

#

They even say that it's a flawed system straight up when you get your weights from raidbots

#

So please, don't try to say it's fine to use it when it's worse.

#

I tried telling you earlier in simple terms but some people are too good for simming their own stuff I suppose.

outer lotus
#

You would also be "doing just fine" if you just equipeed highest ilvl

rigid mango
#

No one told u to.

#

But if you feel like stat weights and pawn work for you, you do you fam. Just don't adv for it here thanks.

wary ice
#

I'm aware that this is probably answered by "play better" but im noticing in keys that my single target is fairly anemic. I'm returning from a ~5 month hiatus, so im sure my rotation is less than optimal but i was hoping someone could take a look at my sims and tell me if im just completely geared wrong for keys?

#

Like a champ im still in queue for said sim; give me a minute and i will link sorry :^(

cerulean anchor
#

i dont see this in the pins but for SS you only use it twice for single target not three times yes?

hasty fiber
#

how do i use worldvein correctly in the opener

#

jk found my answer

wary ice
arctic walrus
#

@cerulean anchor yes

#

@wary ice you have 3 eb but only 1ss

cerulean anchor
#

thank you

arctic walrus
#

so yes your st will probably be lacking until you can pick up 3 ss

brave vector
#

You can respec your helm to SS > TTK

arctic walrus
#

also your essences are very aoe oriented

#

if you have it, pick up blood major, and throw on strife or vision minors instead of pp

wary ice
#

my BoE is 1

#

similar story with strife

#

So im hearing its time to PvP

#

Has the TTK hype died? when i left people wer talking about how it was useful in the priority damage it provided

brave vector
#

Strife doesnt take much to get, and if you really dont want to pvp then VoP is just as good for m+

wary ice
#

VoP minor?

brave vector
#

Yeah

wary ice
#

its not that i dont want to i just dont know how lol

brave vector
#

You only need 1600

#

And you dont degrade until like 1500 so it shouldnt be too bad, hell you only need 1000 really, itll just take longer

wary ice
#

i think itopped out in 2s around there back in season 1

#

Either way thanks for the tip! are there any other interesting Azerite traits besides SS and eB?

brave vector
#

Ss, eb, ttk are really what youre looking for in m+

drifting cloud
#

bbi or np are fine since theres only 1 piece per slot that has ss/eb outside of pvp ones

brave vector
#

Stuff like swirling sands or bbi are good, and some people run NP

wary ice
#

i imagine NP is better w/ VoP minor yeah?

feral pelican
#

what enchants and gems should i use?

arctic walrus
#

top gear

wary ice
#

Also thoughts on CT specifically for this week?

#

bolster + fort is meeeean

ashen solar
#

Same as usual

#

Anything but sob and kr

wary ice
#

soB? not Temple?

feral pelican
#

whats top gear

wary ice
#

Whatever sims the highest via Top Gear

arctic walrus
#

get the simc addon, copy it into top gear

#

and sim yourself

hidden bridge
#

Do you worldvein in the same spot as CLF in the opener

robust gull
#

Yes

next solar
#

This was wrathion with CLF, i plan on WV for the rest of the week/tier

iron plover
#

you guys meleeing mc's on il'gnoth?

neat remnant
#

nope

pearl pagoda
#

is void tisted trinket form raden really as weak as sims are saying?

past mauve
#

What is the preferred max corruption cap for sin?

lapis adder
#

Is there a 'in Ny'alotha' option for sims? Or is it by default.

arctic walrus
#

what exactly happens "in nyalotha" that would warrant the option?

hidden bridge
#

@next solar I found that sometimes ppm on tentacles is horrible, like 8% uptime, and other times it's like 30% and is all of your damage. Seems uh, slightly inconsistent

lapis adder
#

Using the 2 trinkets off Ra'den together.

#

For the 2P set.

noble pilot
#

What corruption procs should I aim for on terms of Nya'lotha encounters?

royal lantern
#

the corruption that gives you....most dmg?

#

aka stars/echoing void/twisted appendage cus that stuff right now is more or less on the "how did that leave the ptr" level

hidden bridge
#

twisted appendage seems really inconsistent

#

like it can vary by magnitudes of 3-4 times

#

seems really bad for progression

#

unless you always get lucky

zealous lily
#

i got the 2 trinket set today in heroic

#

it has a 27% uptime on both

#

i did not look at logs yet for the buff on other people

#

i just used them messing around in normal but ill try it when we do nzoth's insides tomorrow

narrow siren
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I need help with my toon. All these new azerite pieces are simming higher for me with shrouded suff as opposed literally anything else- including double dose and nothing personal. Im simming for single target (raid). Also Master assassin always sim's lower than subterfuge even without all the shrouded suff traits

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from what i understand i need to target double dose and nothing personal or even twist the knife but everytime i sim those traits, shrouded suff sims higher

timber meadow
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so I understand worldvein

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but why is lucid so high

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ive never been able to come up with a gear set, personally, where it ever does that well especially relative to like blood and clf even post nerf

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is it because the profile is using stars?

arctic walrus
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because like 2/3 of lucid's power comes from its minor

strange python
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Why do I sim so low? I've seen similar geared Sims here with 10k dps more, I can swap to 3rd DD on shoulders and master assasin but it gives me like only 1k more

neat remnant
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you dont have font

strange python
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Is it still so broken

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Damn

fervent beacon
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fml when i can't restore my 440

royal lantern
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right now if they dont buff the raid trinkets OR nerf font, you gonna use font for a loooooooooooooooong time

dim spire
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Is there somewhere i can go for log analysis?

royal lantern
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post logs here and let people look into it

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(i cant g2g too work)

dim spire
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Parsing all green, i have to be doing something really wrong any help

ashen solar
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At my first look

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Your azerite is fucking trash

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Your opener is a mess too

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I really cant be bothered to look at this on mobile but I highly suggest you read the guide and ask questions from there

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Just at a simple glance you're doing basically everything wrong

dim spire
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I thought i was following the guide but ill read over it again, thank you

fervent beacon
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Now I got 430 infinite star belt and 430 echoing void boots.

covert basalt
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Heya,I have a question

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Which Essenses should I try to farm asap?

rigid mango
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Bote clf lucid strife iris vop pp

steady lotus
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my secondaries all sim relatively equal, is heart of darkness worth it over a 2nd SS?

rigid mango
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Probably, but sim should tell you

young condor
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Does Corruption gear that has the same type stack?

rigid mango
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Wdym

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Yes they can stack

young condor
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So 2 items with void ritual just makes the buff bigger?

rigid mango
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Just more stats I'd assume yeah

steady lotus
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simmed it, -1.3k dps lol

rigid mango
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You sure you got 25+ corr though?

drifting cloud
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you dont have 25 corr then probably

versed bobcat
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!macros

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!macro

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can we still macro Vanish+X? Doesnt work for me at least

civic palm
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plus what? should be fine

versed bobcat
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ill try again maybe im dumb

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vanish + Envenom

icy ember
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so does increasing corruption increase the base effect of the item? ie, mind flay for 2k, now mind flay for 3k because you added more corruption

heavy haven
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How comes my 430 socket font sims lower than 440 kr trinket? Can someone explain since font seems like bis for every rogue lol

drifting cloud
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link the sim

heavy haven
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Cant right now im at work will do l8r

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Was just wondering since everyone is talking about how good font is

rigid mango
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Because coral is nuts

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and it works nuts with coral

heavy haven
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Ah i dont have coral

rigid mango
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Then I'd check kr trink + font

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not against one another

drifting cloud
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even tho should still easily clap a kr on use

rigid mango
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not really tbh

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Font isn't hugely ahead

drifting cloud
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sure, but should still atleast be ahead of that 😛

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even if not by alot, so probably also other factors in play here

rigid mango
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They're like, a lot closer than a lot of people think

icy ember
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hey @rigid mango do you know if corruption increases as you add more? I had mind flay leggings, but the damage changes everytime I change gear monkaHmm

drifting cloud
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maybe font just scales that good with ilvl I guess

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meanwhile kr trinket gains mostly agi, the on use doesnt increase by that much iirc?

heavy haven
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I will link a sim later for sure, rly trying to get some deep understanding

rigid mango
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Dunno man. Everything with this patch is kinda jank.

icy ember
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ye for sure, it is also extremely janky

rigid mango
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Vers also scales better in general

icy ember
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the act of using mindflay r3

rigid mango
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Idk font is really just a coral enabler

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more than being the BiS trinket standalone

icy ember
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well i dont use font dont @ me MonkaHide i dont enjoy math, and good things, and two use trinkets

rigid mango
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I like damage so

covert basalt
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so I really should try to get font and Coral on a new char?

rigid mango
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yus.

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BiS for this tier too probs

covert basalt
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fuck

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I didnt raid Eternal palace

timber meadow
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herodamage has plummage above fonte

waxen cobalt
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on its own

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not in concert with coral

rigid mango
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Hard to evaluate the value of a trinket when it's essentially tied to another

toxic timber
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@covert basalt , in my situation, the 445 Mythic Font is a 2,3% DPS increase (against Harlans loaded Dice 450)

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rigid mango
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yes because dice is fucking terrible

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And you're simming a terrible trinket vs BiS

toxic timber
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but it sims better than the 445 Galecallers

dark crag
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Only 3 slots but 58k dps. My 0 corruption gear but 4 slots is 54k

rigid mango
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But galecallers is also horrible?

covert basalt
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says its BIS on bloodmalet

raven locust
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You need to consider how much movement is in Nya'lotha

rigid mango
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Also just the fact that the trinket is bad itself

timber meadow
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galecallers is like bis if you have stars

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but bad otherwise id say

rigid mango
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I still wouldn't use it

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😄

civic palm
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Line up the ven diagram of Stars+GCB >_>

rigid mango
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God bloodmallet is simming 95 corr worth of pure inf stars

civic palm
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lol

rigid mango
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And people are reading this shit thinking it's fucking

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genuin info

civic palm
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Clearly best.

rigid mango
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Christ this is gonna be a fun tier for me isn't it

civic palm
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No.

rigid mango
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Just ruining my pity party like that

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before it could even start

waxen cobalt
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Looking away from font and coral, what would you go for then zine?

rigid mango
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Plumage + something idk

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I've honestly not done enough sims on non-coral font

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Because the diff is probably not big enough for me to care nor is it bis

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Coral is straight up fucking nuts regardless of having font or not

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Can be used with shit like vita thingy from raden ig?

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Honestly I'd really really reallly recommend simming your own shit this tier

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Websites like herodamage and bloodmallet have gear pieces that impact your personal values wayyyy too much

waxen cobalt
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already am, just contemplating if there is a second trinket to focus on since eternal palace absolutely hates me

timber meadow
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yeah I mean herodmg is using double tier 3 stars

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so like

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that sim is useless for 90% of ppl

rigid mango
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Wont go as far as saying that the info is disingenuous but like

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They're essentially useless

civic palm
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I mean I have to SIM with 75 worth of Stars anyway :3

timber meadow
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particularlyy big haste proc items id take with a very large grain of salt lmao

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stuff like plummage tho is prob legit

rigid mango
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Since they scale off of vers too

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nah

timber meadow
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oh really? shit lol

rigid mango
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Errything but mastery

timber meadow
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do they typically build profiles off of raid gear specifically or just taking wtvr they feel would be highest dmg profile

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both M+ and raid combined

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cause looks like almost entirely raid gear cept for rings

rigid mango
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It's always raid gear really

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Mainly anyways

timber meadow
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right like the rings are just so obvious that they included them

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but mainly just pickin raid stuff

rigid mango
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yus.

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They didn't make them with ttf so mythic pieces are better 99% of the time

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and now mythic is flat out better so

covert basalt
rigid mango
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Looks about right

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Just that you should swap to subterfuge > ma because of the SS trait on your helm

versed mica
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it always seems like raidbots sims subterfuge+SS really low for some reason

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I feel like it's stronger than it seems

rigid mango
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That seems like top tier feelcraft sir KKomrade

civic palm
covert basalt
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It makes sense to go Subterfuge anyway since id be going for M+ farms

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thanks Zine

rigid mango
versed mica
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Don't mind me, I just loved the beginning of BFA when SS was stupid strong in ST ;-; pls let me be delusional

strange python
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The guy with 72k dps has ofc infinite stars and echoing void, both together doing 27% of dmg, cmin blizzard. Get free 10-15k dps boost by only beeing lucky with corruptions, unbelievable, even for blizzards balance game

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Rest of the gear isnst even top tier

rigid mango
strange python
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Yet they thought 25% nerf would be fine LULW

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What drugs are they taking

zenith gust
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hard ones ofc

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a rogue friend is doing 70+k st just because he got max corruption stars on a WQ 410 item...

shut garnet
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everyone’s gonna have them eventually

quasi pewter
shut garnet
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you’ll reach a poiny where you’re able to minmax between bosses choosing which corr effects you want on depending on the encounter

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just like essences

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ppl complaining about rng literally 24 hours into the patch omegalul

strange python
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Essences didn't do 27% of overall dmg

shut garnet
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well thats not the point is it

rigid mango
knotty pond
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torment in a jar good for st?

rigid mango
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Sim it

buoyant kraken
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@strange python im guessing you are reffing to wowprogress sim, it doesnt really give a good picture of the sim dps, as you Can Equip 200 corription if you want. That hunter simming 88k is without legendary cloak, and then just put every piece of corrupt on

covert basalt
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Simming will be odd, considering corruption can has huge draw backs that the sims dont seem to calculate

buoyant kraken
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With all my corruption gear on, i will sim like 73k and the only drawback is 35% dmg taken and healing reduc, plus random oneshots from thing from beyond

shut garnet
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“the only drawback is random oneshots and 35% more dmg/less healing”

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yeah unfortunately assa isnt a superclass

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that can exactly play around “those only drawbacks”

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so you’re kinda trolling if you equip that much

faint harness
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rotate cloak and back use effect

shut garnet
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it’s a 3 min cd Weirdchamp

faint harness
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sprint

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RUUUN

real bay
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just blind the thing pepeez

faint harness
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ye you can cc it

real bay
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it goes away instant

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poof

faint harness
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poof

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so you can cloak, blind, legendary use effect

peak musk
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when you play with world vein,
hold tb to line it up or vein on cd? 🤔

scarlet hinge
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Can anyone suggest anything I can change work on to improve my sim? Need new helm I'm aware, but in case I missed anything obvious?

rigid mango