assassination

[tropic ocean]

or if tb is off cd and rupture is 10,11,12 sec or smth u refresh after tb

[dire spoke]

basically what I just wrote

xd

[inner sonnet]

don't forget, if you can you want to pool energy (110+) AND CPs (3+)

[strange python]

so if TB CD < 3 and my rup is like 9 sec I reenew my rup?

[tropic ocean]

if tb is < 3 and rup 9se

sec

u refresh rupture on 7

and tb after

it lines perfectly in the scenario u just wrote

😄

[strange python]

xD

other scenario

rup 9 and TB < 1

[tropic ocean]

then you need to refresh during tb

but thats bad planning beforehand

[dire spoke]

then you played it badly

[tropic ocean]

i usually only run into this scenario due to movement

but even then you can plan better before

[strange python]

its hard, huh

[tropic ocean]

i dont think so you just need to plan ahead

like you track your tb cd and your dot cd so u can easily see what will happen in your next x gcds

so you see beforehand ok rupture 22s tb 25s

[rigid mango]

You can refresh rupture 2-3 sec outside of pandemic if it means not doing it inside of tb

[dire spoke]

As mentioned the dps loss is bigger refreshing it early or late than not hitting env during tb, plus you need to pool after rupture

[rigid mango]

If it's within 3 seconds it's a dps gain.

So technically if it's just a tiny bit outside of pandemic it's better but the diff isn't big enough to care about this often

[strange python]

Usually in how many seconds do you renew within the pandemic widow? for allign cds

[rigid mango]

Huh?

Just renew when you need to

Even if you refresh inside of tb that's finr

[dire spoke]

really

[strange python]

ok! Thx guys!!!

[inner sonnet]

I normally make 12s remaining the max at which I renew rup, and even that's only if I have 5 CPs... and if I got unlucky with a mechanic, usually it's better planned

[rigid mango]

I mean that's bad

And also just shitty feelcrafting that has no place in a discord meant to help people

[dire spoke]

I mean yeah, thats only relevant when you know that you need to stay away from your target ASAP for at least 6s to do something

[strange python]

Hey the new Raid trinkets are garbage i think. What are about the 470 trinkets from Mythic + (drop in Chest) and 460 baseline items in m+. I heard that we need Font and Coral. I have only 435 font with socket and coral on baseline heroic.

[shrewd night]

You think? Or is that based on something?

[raven osprey]

raidbots has them "listed", but it's too early, give it some more time before raidbots has the proper numbers

[rigid mango]

Trinkets do look bad but can't say much. Font coral still outsims all dungeon mixtures of trinkets as of now, even at capped ilvl.

[raven osprey]

I hope it wont be the case. Would like some change

[distant lava]

I mean it's not really some change, you're just going back to 8.1 trinkets

[strange python]

so for assa Sots trinket and Siege trinket?

[distant lava]

nah given what zine said except some insane corruption proc on the new / dung trinkets you'll probably keep playing font coral

[sharp viper]

whoops already disenchanted my font, too bad, unlucky

[dusk harness]

On Icy Veins it says "If you fight 5 or more targets, do not use Garrote Icon Garrote at all. Multi-DoT only with Rupture Icon Rupture to gain extra energy through Venomous Wounds Icon Venomous Wounds."
Is this true?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[vagrant tapir]

the pin is a little vague, do we have no info on corruption stuff at all?

[rigid mango]

[shrewd night]

Theres this site called wowhead, that has an entire article based around corruption.

[rigid mango]

Like I said, I'll post shit when I have more empirical evidence as to what we will be using next tier

Posting pre-patch stuff where shit'll get gutted is pointless and just cluttering.

[outer lotus]

Luckily trinkets cant corrupt

[rigid meteor]

one question, when doing aoe damage to a pull in mythic +azerite trait in echo blades, once that every one has rupture up, do I have to envenom each target or carry using daggers?

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[raven osprey]

apply garrot from stealth with SS trait and subterfuge talented to 3 targets, rapture to 4th. keep 4 bleeds active. FOK and envenom on priority targets

[modest tendon]

Big pulls you fok spam small pulls you envenom spam

[tropic ocean]

uhm

[rigid meteor]

is it ok to do 60k on the group of dummies with ilvl 433, or shall I do more?

[tropic ocean]

pretty sure it depends on the enemies

[raven osprey]

what traits are you using?

[rigid meteor]

3 shrouded and 3 echo blades

the 60 is sustain damage over 5 minutes

[raven osprey]

thats long, you will lose dps once the enhanced garrot drops off.

[modest tendon]

Depends if there is a prio target or not

But in general small pulls you do more damage using envenom than using fok right?

[rigid mango]

Yes for overall dps you'd mongo fok at higher target counts

Iirc, 6t 3 eb, 8t 2 eb, 10t 1eb.

Last time the sims were done, anyways.

[modest tendon]

That’s where I got my opinion from 😛

[rigid mango]

But even if you're at those target counts you'll still env on a lot of packs because of prio.

[modest tendon]

Maybe

[rigid mango]

I mean fok does fuckall prio.

[modest tendon]

There aren’t that many packs where 1 thing urgently needs to die

There are plenty of packs where things need to be controlled

But it’s slightly different

[rigid mango]

There are a lot of packs where hp is spread diff, where some stuff doesn't really "need" to die

[modest tendon]

‘Depends if there is prio or not’

[rigid mango]

And some weeks where mongo fok'ing would be more destructive than pumping prio, see most death effects.

[modest tendon]

Weeks like that you might not want to build too many eb’s anyway

[rigid mango]

You most likely would

Just about control

[modest tendon]

Depends on dungeon

And what you want to do

[rigid mango]

Also kinda depends on what comp you're running I suppose.

[modest tendon]

I suppose

[rigid mango]

I mean I wouldn't change my build on affix p much.

[modest tendon]

I’ve seen 3ss 3eb work in literally every dungeon

You don’t need to change that often

[rigid mango]

Yeah, there's no reason to swap out of it in anything outside of siege and kr really

And even then it ofc works

But I'd still say suboptimal.

[modest tendon]

I’ve seen 3ss 3eb work in KR

Some 3k dude pumped man

I played badly though

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean it's optimal.

[modest tendon]

Perhaps not

But lots of damage isn’t a bad thing

And there’s not much to pad on in that place either

[rigid mango]

Other things do lots of damage too 😉

[modest tendon]

Ye Seli runs 0eb from what I’ve seen

[rigid mango]

Yuh

[modest tendon]

I can’t make that build work though

[rigid mango]

Bbi np ttk instead.

[rigid meteor]

do you play with poison bomb in mythic or use crimson tempest?

[rigid mango]

I've run 1 EB because I'm too lazy to reforge

Kr siege go pb

Ct rest

[modest tendon]

Depends

Ct most of the time

[rigid mango]

Idk vop minor with 1 np feels really insane in those dungeons.

[modest tendon]

PB If you really need that extra ST

[rigid mango]

No reason to run CT in kr/siege or arguably tyr ToS too

[modest tendon]

Like tyrannical Sisters

[rigid mango]

Eh, the loss/gain from swapping isn't huge enough tbh

[modest tendon]

Hmmm I need to watch a stream of that

But those bitches are scary

[rigid mango]

It's mostly about the mixture of impactful bosses and low target trash that makes CT worse in kr/siege

They are

But I think it's very hard to wipe bec of CT>PB

[modest tendon]

Well if your running an assa your going to want an ST pumper anyway I guess

And the vendetta burst might deal with most of the scariness?

[rigid mango]

Yah.

[modest tendon]

Tbh it’s been a while since I’ve wiped on Sisters in a higher key

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you have 3 SS you have the burst window you need

[modest tendon]

Survivability is more of an issue than damage in higher keys from what I’ve found

[rigid mango]

I dunno how big of a deal VoP minor wouls be on sisters but possibly quite impactful.

[modest tendon]

But I don’t do ‘high’ keys regardless

[rigid mango]

Same.

20-21 pusher

[modest tendon]

Same

22 is the goal next season

[rigid mango]

Myeh, just depends on how much energy I have post tier/how fun the affix is

Looks dope tho.

I don't see sin being bad either.

[modest tendon]

Sin will gain ground on outlaw

Because of bigger pull sizes

Outlaw still bis

[rigid mango]

Idk it all just depends on how new ess and corr works out

[modest tendon]

Ofc

[rigid mango]

Honestly.

[rigid meteor]

do you always play sin, or swap to outlaw sometimes?

[rigid mango]

I play both bec idm either

But people play only either and do really well

I would pref playing sin everywhere but my azerite keeps me back from feeling it worth playing it over outlaw in some keys.

Seli is rank 5 only playing sin, rest are just outlaws apart from morning too

Hell, grimzyo even gets 3k on sub.

[modest tendon]

In the perfect world you’d play both

Assa is potentially better in some keys

[rigid mango]

I think sin is a better pick in KR tbh.

[modest tendon]

Like KR and ToS

[rigid mango]

Regardless of affix

[rigid meteor]

I don't like to play outlaw, I tried several times and I don't do as much dps as sin, I guess I haven't got the hand on how to do outlaw propely

[modest tendon]

But outlaw on most dungeons

[rigid mango]

Just plays exactly how sin wants

[tropic ocean]

think sin is only a better 2nd pick if you already have 1 outlaw

[modest tendon]

But since we aren’t machines it’s best to play what you are best at

[tropic ocean]

but not first even in kr

[rigid mango]

I think that's true for every dungeon

[modest tendon]

So pick 1 and be a beast

[rigid mango]

Nah, first in kr.

Imo.

[tropic ocean]

Like in sots I feel having sin 2nd is giga

With all the caster control

[rigid mango]

For sure

My friends activly ask me to go sin there instead of being outlaw just bec of the first part

Is so much easier because of sin

[tropic ocean]

maybe one day we'll have a similar trait to wits so we don't need to go 50/50

[rigid mango]

Cya in shadowlands

[tropic ocean]

I really enjoyed when ss ttk was popular but just cant keep up if not going at least 2 eb

[rigid meteor]

For the new raid, shall I keep using sin or go outlaw?

[tropic ocean]

sin probably better for progression

but its never bad to be ready on multi specs

[rigid mango]

Both specs seem good sin is just prog maniac

But outlaw isn't ever anything to laugh at with MT

[rigid meteor]

thank very much for the help guys 🙂

[sharp viper]

mt?

[rigid mango]

Multi target

[sharp viper]

ah okay, too simple

[rigid mango]

[sullen pagoda]

M+ talk

[rigid mango]

Raid talk

[modest tendon]

M+ talk is more spicy

[sullen pagoda]

Zine mod?

[rigid mango]

Hmu with raid talk when numbers aren't scuffed and there's something to actually talk about

[sullen pagoda]

Tru

[storm lodge]

its never worth holding off on tb even if vanish+vend are coming off in 10 seconds or so right?

its better to delay the vanish+vend until tb is back up again?

im going by the "smash tb when its up" rule

[modest tendon]

*set up Tb then smash rule

[unborn helm]

Try to have like 130/40 energy rdy for all Tb and 3/4 cp and you are doing it good

[vapid delta]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[wooden island]

how broken u guys think assa gona be in arena next patch?

[modest tendon]

Why will anything change?

[wooden island]

well ilvl increase usually shifts the meta abit ontop of the small changes to classes

and new essence and also corruption gear

but i do like the dagger reminds me of cata

lolstorm 4-5 ppl and spawn 3 tentacles and 1 bang there entire team

[rigid mango]

#pvp

These channels are just pve shit, if you want an actual convo PvP will probably be more receptive.

[next solar]

have there been any sims released yet?

[shut garnet]

[tropic ocean]

check the sims

need that emote

[gusty mirage]

Will it help though?

[pearl pagoda]

i've checked the pins a hundred times theres no sims for 8.3 🤔

[gusty mirage]

[pearl pagoda]

y'all must be lying

[next solar]

so no

[gusty mirage]

No there are no sims for 8.3 yet

They'll probably be up by the release of the mythic raid

[near coyote]

The fights seem to have so much aoe will sin be that good in 8.3

Or is outlaw probably strongest

[rigid mango]

Still see sin being a nutty prog spec.

[near coyote]

So majority of people add staying sin? Or do you think a lot will make the switch

[opaque fable]

Why not both?

[royal lantern]

im more like

[distant lava]

Majority doesn't know yet

Because there's no way to know

[royal lantern]

right now, almost all guilds have really high aoe cus the current FotM classes have that by default

but tend too lack the st dmg

[rigid mango]

Just be ready to play either

I don't expect outlaw to be insanely good or anything but it'll have fights it's better at

[strange python]

Outlaw

[next solar]

outlawl will have its fights im sure

[strange python]

[next solar]

ive been loving SS+EK more than outlaw lately, so much fun

[strange python]

The disappointment in the group when they want a vanish skip and i say i am assassination rogue

[robust gull]

how important is 3xEB for m+? is 1 enough?

i have 3xSS, 1xEB, 1xNP, 1xTTK

[rigid mango]

It's quite impactful

Does a lot of your overall

NP Is generally mid tier same for TTK

[robust gull]

and you keep tb and pb, or do you go exsang and hb?

[rigid mango]

tb yes, CT for all dungeons outside of kr/siege.

[robust gull]

oh snap

k

[rigid mango]

PB for those two.

[arctic walrus]

@rigid mango were there a few tyrannical exceptions? Or it’s just those 2 now

[rigid mango]

Eh, you can argue ToS

[arctic walrus]

That’s the one I had in mind ye

[rigid mango]

But that one's just kinda on the fence in general

[arctic walrus]

Like only first boss and 2nd boss is heavy ish aoe

[rigid mango]

I don't think seli plays it there and I don't actually know what people in general play there

[robust gull]

so for target count replacing mut with fok, does it depend how many EB traits you have?

like would you fok at 3 targets if you had 3xEB?

[ashen solar]

2 targets for 3x

[next solar]

Hidden blades in final tier for full memeage

[robust gull]

what if you only have 1xEB?

[next solar]

I went 3xss 3x Ek with EB as a meme and it was fun lol

[rigid mango]

ek?

[robust gull]

for 1xEB and 2xEB would fok replace mut at 3 targets?

[tropic ocean]

yes it does depen on how many eb traits you have

[next solar]

Echoing knives

[tropic ocean]

think fuu did custom sim some time ago when spamming fok beats mut for overall with target count

i know its 2 for 3+ and iirc it was 6? for 2+

[next solar]

Hidden blades rather

[rigid mango]

I think it was still 2-3 targets for any EB count

[tropic ocean]

i really dont know rarely run into these situations

in low target counts i usually just mut on prio target anyway and in packs just fok

[next solar]

Blood + plumage + FoK was a ridiculous burst

[tropic ocean]

ye echoing knives is big

[glacial flare]

carapace of nzoth perhaps with SB as well

[rigid mango]

idk I just mut at 2targets

on 0-2 cp

fok at 3 cp

finish at 4+

SB?

[glacial flare]

scent of blood

little buggers seem to last long enough, at least for the time being

[rigid mango]

It's perma multi target?

[glacial flare]

from the vids ive seen they keep coming and lots

[rigid mango]

Even then scent kinda blows

[glacial flare]

well fok is getting nerfed hard

just 1 CP now /cry

[rigid mango]

No?

[glacial flare]

think ive seen that on wowhead

[rigid mango]

Man I took down the pin today

thought we were over this

litearlly a tooltip change bud.

[neat estuary]

Do yall use Condensed Life force in your major and then Lucid dreams and focusing Iris in you minors ?

[rigid mango]

For raid yes.

But CLF is getting nerfed and you swap iris to strife for multi target encounters

[glacial flare]

oh damn ! Sorry about that Zine.

[rigid mango]

and blood is better in some scenarios

[glacial flare]

otoh, thats friggin' great news 🙂

[neat estuary]

How come Confict for multi target? does it increase the bleeds alot or something ?

[robust gull]

so if youre dpsing a 6 pack, are you pretty much not using envenom at all? just keeping up ruptures and CT?

[glacial flare]

you lose the haste buff from iris if you switch target

[neat estuary]

ohhhhh okay haha

[gusty mirage]

@rigid mango I heard fan of knives got nerfed?

[rigid mango]

[gusty mirage]

We should pin an 8.3 question meme and refer to that until the 21st

8.3 Sims Not Out Yet

[next solar]

also if youre looking for big burst with EK/EB youll want some verse

[next solar]

did instance servers just rip?

[tropic ocean]

you wont really have burst aoe as sin

you'll need 4-5 gcds (depending on talent choice) before u start pumping

and yes vers is not too bad for aoe

[hot copper]

I keep running into this problem where my bleeds are at an awkward spot to refresh ~13 sec and my TB is about to get up again.

Do I refresh the bleeds with few CP or just let it expire in the TB window?

[rigid mango]

Refreshing outside of pandemic by 2-3 sec is fine

Otherwise just in tb

that's fine too

[hot copper]

Alright

Cuz my dots expire at the end of TB

Leaving me with no energy and no regen

So it's kinda shit

[primal violet]

anyone else going to race change to vulpera?

[rigid mango]

No

Litearlly 0 people.

[robust gull]

so in aoe m+ do you keep using garrote outside of subter window?

[drifting cloud]

nope

[robust gull]

ok, i was doing a 5 boss sim to get an idea on aoe, and it was still using garrote, wasnt sure how reliable that was

[tropic ocean]

its not

its dps loss

[primal violet]

u guys can stay orc and belf and ill be lookin good w/ my tail whaggin

[icy ember]

[harsh sphinx]

[robust gull]

so just wondering why the sim would continue to use garrote? or the sim just isnt optimized for multiple targets?

[dull lava]

Overall for 8.3 is it still sin for raiding or should I be focusing on Outlaw?

[tropic ocean]

sin will be fine

its a good move to be able to play both so you can pick whatever spec is superior on encounter x

[oblique jackal]

what race is everyone going with?

[storm lodge]

the one that looks best for you!

[icy ember]

bloodelf 🤷‍♂️

[sharp viper]

orc because of pvp on horde

[oblique jackal]

same! i know have 4 max lvl rogues haha

now*

[strange python]

vulpera because they flip like night elves

[oblique jackal]

ooh yes! what animations are the vulpera using?

[arctic walrus]

#wow-general

[hoary crown]

What do you think our bis essences will be in the raid? Including the third minor ofc😁

[modest tendon]

My tarrot cards say nothing will change

[hoary crown]

And the third minor? Bote?

[vast forum]

no

[modest tendon]

Third minor conflict likely

But I’m speculating

[hoary crown]

Riiiip pvp bullshit 😫

[rigid mango]

Probably new essences

Since corr ressistance

And the fact that they look potentially bonkers.

[fleet whale]

you'll probably want some of the new minors for corruption resistence

[modest tendon]

Ooo that’s a point

[fleet whale]

and perhaps the execute one as a major

[vast forum]

also i think crucible is better on ST than c&s but not sure

[rigid mango]

Strife is nearly on iris level

[hoary crown]

Ohh yeah that’s right forgot about the resistance they bring😁

[modest tendon]

It’s likely essence builds will change the more corruption forges don’t you think?

[rigid mango]

wdym.

[fleet whale]

well, the cloak might change that too

[modest tendon]

Like stacking lots of one type of corrupted item will make a different essence build viable or something like that

I don’t know

You know I don’t know 😛

I’m speculating

[fleet whale]

well eventually the cloak will become powerful enough where you can probably where a ton of corruption gear

but that's a few months down the line

[rigid mango]

I don't really think it'll be super impactful

I expect crit damage/some effect to be the best

[modest tendon]

Most are though?

[fleet whale]

it's rng what you get

[rigid mango]

What's your point?

[fleet whale]

except for the dagger

[modest tendon]

What if a different essence build becomes viable with lots of corrupted gear

That’s all I’m saying

No idea if it could happen

[arctic walrus]

You say different build

what though

what can having more corruption gear equiped

change

in terms of how you play your essences

[fleet whale]

i think he means a different essence set up

[arctic walrus]

honestly asking

[fleet whale]

like if the only reason you would use the new essences is for the corruption resis

[arctic walrus]

no? They are actually powerful on their own

[fleet whale]

yeah, like the execute one looks really good

[modest tendon]

Like if you had lots of haste corruption you could swap out iris for conflict or something

This is too much of a blag

So let’s just say I’m wrong and leave it

Lol

[rigid mango]

I don't think they're really impactful enough but we'll see

[fleet whale]

does anyone know if you can swap gear/talents while in a vision. Wondering so i could go AoE build for the trash and ST when i want to melt the bosses

[rigid mango]

afaik no gear lock

[fleet whale]

first one i'm probably just gonna zerg the boss right away

[rigid mango]

First 5

[outer lotus]

Gotta get those mementos though

[rigid mango]

[outer lotus]

Meh mentos

[civic palm]

Gotta scrounge for pennies while DYING.

[warm jewel]

Anyone know anything about 8.3 and rogues yet? Or a video? Any idea what spec is going to be good in m+?

[arctic walrus]

You asked in the right channel the first time. You can look for videos, probably are out there. We don't know what meta will look like, because the patch isn't even live.

[warm jewel]

Didn't get a response so I figured I may not have. Just joined the discord. No need to be a dick when someone is looking for answers in an information discord.

[outer lotus]

Who is being a dick?

[rigid mango]

@warm jewel Please refrain from posting stuff in the wrong channels it's highly frowned upon (:

Let's leave it there.

Post it in the correct channel or don't, up to you really.

[warm jewel]

lmfao. np

[wheat grove]

Should i run crimson tempest if it sims higher for m+ ? Im kinda new to assa so sorry if it is already answered somewhere

[rigid mango]

pb for kr/siege

ct rest

[wheat grove]

thanks 🙂

[ionic matrix]

you guys dropping clf for world vein? I still think clf may be the play

[rigid mango]

Depends on what sims the best

If anything it's bote v clf v new essence

WV looks fucking bonkers but its viablity is regulated by encounter design not damage

[ionic matrix]

if enough people in raid wear it

it wont matter

it will always be up

[rigid mango]

kinda.

[arctic walrus]

20 people can wear the thing but you have to move every 5 seconds and it won't be worth

[rigid mango]

There's still fights like drest and stuff where you're gonna be wanting other stuff

[ionic matrix]

sure. There are always things to consider

[ebon roost]

do we have any sims available that include vulpera/mechagnome? i haven't seen any.

[civic palm]

DPS Racials tend to be normalized.

[cobalt gyro]

they're pretty close

[civic palm]

Utility tends to deviate wildly.

[ebon roost]

thanks!

[ebon crag]

Yo any guesses as to what the optimal visions farming spec/trait setup will be? I'm guessing so sort of fok build for efficient trash clearing

Some*

For ye old sass to be clear

[rigid mango]

Kill boss

get upgrade

[tropic ocean]

Wv is hard bait

[rigid mango]

[vast forum]

if the new version of WV was implemented for EP, you'd get really good use of it on 6/8 bosses

so unless they drastically change encounter design i think WV might be the play

[civic palm]

Yeah as much movement as their might have been, it mostly involved groups of people moving from one place to another and staying there for enough time to easily stack WV.

[vast forum]

yeap

ashvane for example

or azshara

entire group moves from pillar to pillar in p3 and even though it's movement, you'd get really good value

[drifting cloud]

its also a snowball effect, if its a good major that people use, people for whose its not a good major will use it as a minor just because of all the other people therefore making it even more consistent

[civic palm]

WV also stacks instantly yes? It doesn't check every 1 second and iterates the buff by 1 for each second there's a new WV node in range.

You just get the entire stack, immediately.

[outer lotus]

Anybody know if they fixed that bug that made you not get the benefit of 5 shards even when there were 5+ around in some cases?

[drifting cloud]

I think it was fixed in 8.2.5

but by then nobody was using it anymore

[outer lotus]

No the Bug was definitely still around the last weeks, its the same bug that happens when someone with devo aura runs out of the radius and comes back in but doesnt get the buff again

Atleast i think so

[storm lodge]

how many minimum targets do you fok on in m+ ? assuming 3xeb ?

[arctic walrus]

at 2 fok replaces mut

at 4 fok without env

[loud mason]

Should i farm the eternal palace essence for 8.3 ?

[safe canyon]

Am i missing something with a caster trinket being second top for muti (as per bloodmallet)? In any event, its 100% getting nerfed. It's double the dps of the next best trink for spriest and aff lock and near BiS for warrior too.

[quasi pewter]

propably not going to be neccessary anymore @loud mason

but if you want to be safe, get it

[safe canyon]

Sorry is bis for warrior

[civic palm]

Any simulated DPS currently out is speculation.

[green tide]

I'd get it just in case for sure

Better to get it while people might still run the content

[rigid mango]

#wow-general

[icy ember]

sorry @rigid mango

[dapper bough]

Is there a bug with double dose or is that just rng? Sometimes its damage is up there and sometimes it barely does anything.

[rigid mango]

RNG but it shouldn't be insane variance still

[wooden cave]

It might be because you're not using Mutilate after Envenom, and therefore you are at times not gaining the buff poison application buff from envenom. The baseline chance of getting 2 poison application chances at once, is 25% (50%x50%). However Envenom has a further 30% increased poison application chance, making your chances 64% (80%x80%). This 40% difference in double dose proc chance might be the answer to your problem. RNG is still an element and can change about +-2%. If you are having problems with the timing of mutilate after Envenom, i suggest that you get 1 Twist the knife as it further increases the duration of the 30% buff, making it a little more forgiving.

[rigid mango]

TLDR use mut after env.

And no don't get a TTK unless it's the best.

[wooden cave]

TtK is not bad, sims 200-300 dps below the best traits atm.

[dapper bough]

I mean i feel like I am using mut after env but I'll have to check my logs once I'm home

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean you should just use it

It's still worse.

[drifting cloud]

imaging writing a wall of text with math than suggesting someone to use a worse trait for no reason

🤷‍♂️

[rigid mango]

[spark sky]

The reason was in the mathed wall of text though. Some numbers are increased with the worse trait, just not your dps

[wooden cave]

Well if set person is missing 3% dps by not getting double dose procs, it may be a dps increase for set person, even though it does limit max dps... (Not to mention current BIS gear usually has 1 anyway)

[rigid mango]

No.

Because it's a dps loss.

You're using feelcraft at this point.

[quasi pewter]

[strange python]

Does anyone have a link to the most recent corruption proc sims? thought I saw it on this discord but I can't seem to find it

[dusky tinsel]

Unless it changes (which it should get nerfed) infinite stars>>>> all

[untold current]

Is this a wording change or actual change to cps?

[dusky tinsel]

tool tip change

[rigid mango]

Just tooltip

[swift crest]

Guys I know that youre not supposed to use vendetta over 60 energy because youll get energy capped but it also usually says that you start the fight with vendetta in the opener, how does this work?

[drifting cloud]

where does it says that

wasnt that a thing in legion

[rigid mango]

Energy doesn't matter for vend usage

[swift crest]

@rigid mango cool

[cobalt pelican]

very

[ornate meteor]

i wonder how ppl feel with the nylotha raid going in with assasin rog? is the fight mostly hectic cleave like bod style of zaqul fight?

[faint harness]

first extremely brief look = aoe

[jaunty arrow]

I feel like i will stab enzoth anyway

[quartz rune]

I mean just get echoing void and u have the aoe u need

[storm lodge]

pretty mcuh lol

[quartz rune]

Seems pretty insane tbh

[storm lodge]

1% max health to all nearby enemies... ima rock my max health pvp trinket

[chrome finch]

Wasent it nerfed to split dmg

[storm lodge]

not as of 6 days ago

i dont know if something changed very recently..the tooltip doesnt mention splitting

actually i see "A recent hotfix made it split damage to all targets hit." in one of the wowhead articles

i think the bloodmallet sim takes that into consideration

[chrome finch]

Ye was just about to link the wowhead artikle

But ye could be

[storm lodge]

i dont know...on the whole, if add damage is actually important and we're not able to progress because of lack of damage on ads...it would make sense to respec into aoe, but otherwise for progression, i feel like boss damage is still more important

[ornate meteor]

I gotta choose which class to play between assa rog and fury war for this raid lol

[chrome finch]

Well gues based on blood mallet sims if you want both just go outlaw and get infinite star

[storm lodge]

or you could go sin+infinite star and ignore the ads

get the dhs to eye beam harder

[chrome finch]

Tru

[unkempt karma]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sWvWiJfLRHgHYQRMCb3Ett

[vagrant tapir]

Why heart?

[outer lotus]

Cuz guud

[rigid mango]

cuz +10 ilvls

[vagrant tapir]

+10 ilvl?

you mean on the last 2 pieces?

He has heart on a 480 piece too

[quasi pewter]

heart is literally almost as good as loyal

[strange python]

there's no +10 helm i think

[vagrant tapir]

it just blows

[strange python]

and the chests dont seem good

[vagrant tapir]

or it might be a chest

cant remmeber

[strange python]

http://i.imgur.com/X3EjMgd.png

[vagrant tapir]

yewah chest

Also

[peak basalt]

are we really going to run WV as main?

[royal lantern]

nobody

knows

for 100%

right now

[vagrant tapir]

what the fuck is going on here

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8DF7w6tAPMmaKBjX#fight=11&type=damage-done

[sly shoal]

Am I reading that right? No piece has eb from the raid?

[vagrant tapir]

correct

[quasi pewter]

indeed we will all play sub in m+

[vagrant tapir]

rofl

[outer lotus]

@vagrant tapir loyal to the end cheese

[vagrant tapir]

Ok but

That much damage?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[outer lotus]

• look at the kill timer

[vagrant tapir]

38s

yeah

tahts what im looking at

[strange python]

they sacrifice shamans to get the loyal buffs which then ankh and die again

[sly shoal]

Each death stacks loyal right?

It's just cheese

[vagrant tapir]

wait

How long

does the death from loyal take?

Last

[rigid mango]

15 or 20 sec

[vagrant tapir]

Hmmmm

kk

[boreal gazelle]

Hello everyone, new member here 🙂 I have a question regarding assa rogue. Ive been playing this spec for quite a while now and as im starting to approach the endgame im thinking about how well will this spec progress in mythic/mythic+/raids/pvp. Since i know little about rogue, what would be in your opinion the best spec for the endgame content with the better DPS?

[modest tendon]

Bis for raids A tier for M+ bis for pvp

[strange python]

its good in all aspects but you kinda need a different gear set for each

whereas as outlaw you can use the same stuff pretty much

[modest tendon]

Outlaw is bis for M+, B for raids and C for pvp

Something like that 😛

But you can take the same setup into every scenario

Getting assa M+ gear is nightmarish

[boreal gazelle]

i guess bis is something bad? 😛

[rigid mango]

best in slot.

[white wyvern]

At least Mecha is adding a chest and shoulders with SS and EB to the TR vendor.

[boreal gazelle]

oh ok. so assa really depends on what gear i have

[modest tendon]

Ye

There are very different sets for each role for assa

[boreal gazelle]

so what stats should i prioritize if i want to keep playing assa rogue (mainly in mythic+)?

[modest tendon]

Not stats, azerite

It’s in the pins though

But crit>versa and mastery

As little haste as possible

But you need 3 shrouded suffocation’s and as many echoing blades traits as possible

They only exist in the weekly chest

[strange python]

you can take a look at him, he does high level m+ as assa: https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/twisting-nether/Seliathan

[modest tendon]

And there is only 1 piece which has each

So 1/6 chance for head shoulders and chest

Told you it’s a nightmare

[white wyvern]

8.3 there will be the Mecha pieces though. 2 have SS/EB.

[modest tendon]

Really? Nice

[boreal gazelle]

i think i get the meaning. assa is good but it really depends on your azerite traits and gear. and in order to be a montser of dps you need to be lucky with the drops and chests

whereas outlaw is preety much the jack of all trades as your gear is efficient anyways

[modest tendon]

You got it 😄

[boreal gazelle]

damn 😛 and i hate the outlaw playstyle

so is it better to start playing as outlaw now until i reach the high item lvls (im 309 now) or is it ok to keep playing with assa?

[neat remnant]

Is CLF still the go to major for raiding? Or has the Nerf changed that

[rigid mango]

[modest tendon]

Play what you enjoy @boreal gazelle

It’s still a game 😛

[rigid mango]

Don't.

[quasi pewter]

just play sub lol

[tropic ocean]

@boreal gazelle just play whatever u like it wont matter at your current standing and even at endgame you can clear everything with anything so unless you are in a guild that needs you to switch to the better spec for task xy just do what you like bro

[boreal gazelle]

okay then ill keep the assa spec for now and pray rng i get good gear 😛 one last thing, which stats should i go for first? Ex: 1 critical 2. agility etc

[shut garnet]

dont worry about stats at the point you’re at

just equip whatever is higher item level

[tropic ocean]

^this

[shut garnet]

i doubt you’re gonna do m+ at 310 ilvl xd

or any form of content

[boreal gazelle]

no no i mean in later levels 😛

[tropic ocean]

later u want crit mastery for dungeons

and haste crit (whatever sims best) for st raid

[shut garnet]

and crit haste for raid

[tropic ocean]

for raid ur stats heavily get influenced by your trinkets and azerite so

you will sim alot

[boreal gazelle]

alright i got the idea. thanks everyone you've been a big big help 😉

[quasi pewter]

no problem

[ripe gulch]

yo guys what are the best essences for raiding?

[shrewd night]

We will let you know, when we know

[ripe gulch]

clf major

what minors

[rigid mango]

lucid + X

[ripe gulch]

i know haste crit are the stats

yh and lucid

[rigid mango]

They aren't

but sure

[ripe gulch]

😮

[shrewd night]

This is a day for sure

[rigid mango]

Sin just wants a bit of everything

use top gear

[ripe gulch]

i usually do m+

so i have 0 haste

my stat weights with my single target build favor haste then crit

[rigid mango]

use top gear not stat weights

But yes, any stat is good at any given point

[candid anvil]

ahh almost gone mad, but there we go ❤️

[shut garnet]

now go rank 4

[candid anvil]

hell nah, after this experience I think I'm even turning wm off lmao

[strange python]

you're not gonna use blood next patch tho

why did you farm it

[quasi pewter]

[faint harness]

wont bloods value increase with CLF nerfed

no sims available so no clue how the new essences will perform

[quasi pewter]

blood will propably be go to

but we dont know

[faint harness]

they are already close

so might be

[quasi pewter]

wv buff is big but from numbers weve seen so far blood will be better

numbers might be unreliable

so we cant say

regardless blood is still bis for m+

[faint harness]

for all specs right

[rigid mango]

isn't for outlaw

[quasi pewter]

sub iris or blood or both ok

[faint harness]

did that change recently+

[rigid mango]

Odds are major choice comes down to encounter

[quasi pewter]

assa is only one where its clear bis

[rigid mango]

No, iris has always been better

Hotly debated topic though.

[faint harness]

seen lots of outlaws played bote

play*

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean it's the best

Alas, not the channel for it

ctrl f that shit in outlaw

if u want the convo

[faint harness]

I dont care about that spec so wont

[tropic ocean]

maybe the void essence will find some big uses in m+ but will see

good to have all essences available anyway

[vestal wren]

WV maybe

[candid anvil]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vestal wren]

but idk, blood might be too good

[dire spoke]

wowhead really fancy using zalgo text

oh

[candid anvil]

Yeah that sure is cute but the guide says use Iris, not BoTE... which minors are best with bote tho? Can't find it in guide

[dire spoke]

it's an 8.2.5 guide

[rigid mango]

lucid + strife/vop

[candid anvil]

lucid for aoe? why?

[rigid mango]

It's good

You literally always want it regardless of content

[candid anvil]

But you don't benefit from it in m+ do you..

[rigid mango]

How don't you?

Free vers?

[candid anvil]

Ouch.. I have it on rank 1 so I didn't know it gives versa

[fathom viper]

yikes

[rigid mango]

And then it's by far the best on ST too

[fathom viper]

yeah, Lucid Minor ST is literally clear BiS

[dire spoke]

you mainly pick lucid to stack more of other stats with gear, otherwise you'd cuck it all

[fathom viper]

could see CnS or Flame being useful for our 4th minoir

[tropic ocean]

think the big part is the energy refund

😛

reading the new essences the effects are pretty cool it comes down to proc rate and tuning

like with the one that spawns a tentacle that mind flays your target I can feel like a spriest while being a rogue

10/10

[shut garnet]

yeah i mean if we’ll ever get a “4th minor”

sure

[rigid mango]

Since you get one with your major, yeah?

[shut garnet]

but who counts that as your “first minor”

[rigid mango]

because it's literally a minor

Semantics.

[unborn rampart]

technically you get a major+minor minor minor (new in 8.3 minor) so it is indeed a 4th minor #pedantry

[rigid mango]

Thank you for reiterating my point

[dapper bough]

Zine i love your profile pic, where is it from ?

[rigid mango]

Random twitter shit mate

[dapper bough]

haha ok

[quasi scroll]

What builds do you guys like for M+? I've been doing 3x suffoc + 2x Echoing + 1 Nothing Personal + bote and it was pretty good last week

[modest tendon]

That’s fine

NP perhaps meh?

[quasi scroll]

I like having something for the boss fights

[modest tendon]

3ss 3eb is bis

[quasi scroll]

really

ok

[modest tendon]

Well ttk does my st I believe

[quasi scroll]

ttk?

[modest tendon]

Twist the knife

[quasi scroll]

ahh

[modest tendon]

I think it does more damage

Hmmm

Nope NP does more according to blood mallet, need to sim ofc

But ttk has better value across the entirety of the dungeon

EB has even more 😛

[quasi scroll]

yeah

I have a love/hate with NP

hate loading so much into a 2m cooldown, makes the downtime more boring

[modest tendon]

Well VoP minor

[quasi scroll]

true

[modest tendon]

1.5 minute cd

I take that into pretty much every key

[quasi scroll]

hm

I've been doing bote+lucid+iris

Guessing the mechagon purification will be required in 8.3

ty for your help

[arctic walrus]

the more eb you have, the less valuable ttk becomes though. So it doesn't actually get more value throughout a dungeon when compared to np

2-3 targets sure I guess

[heavy haven]

at a first glance what fights do you guys expect to be good/fun for sin in the new raid?

[dark crag]

The more dmg the cleave guys do, the less there is to cleave and their dmg goes down

Assa will be good for all fights, because we are the guys that actually kill the boss

Maybe we even see some sub strats in wf race

[maiden widget]

on what timer of my bleeds its perfect/good to update my garrote/rupture?

[minor thicket]

im confused - do we want items with corruption or no?

[errant shadow]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[white wyvern]

Yes, but Blizzard's intention it to make you balance Corruption.

[minor thicket]

gotcha that's what I figured.

[versed mica]

with lucid being the best, does this mean I have to stop stacking haste again? 🙄

[strange python]

this is all updated for 8.3?

[young portal]

@maiden widget 5.4 seconds or less for garrote, 7.2 seconds or less for rupture with 5cp

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/53kjESfbZk9jZfgkmkxMTn

😺

[dusky tinsel]

ughhhh I bet those sims will be similar for most people

good ol' world vein

[rigid mango]

Why is lucid even simming so well I don't get it

They didn't buff it or anything did they

[cobalt pelican]

i'm a little confused too

it seems to be interacting well with breath minor

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

but i don't know WHY it would

and tbh i guess sims with rank 3 breath are kinda pointless cause it's like 5 weeks i think right?

[rigid mango]

Something like that

I mean I really don't get why the major makes the minor so much better

[cobalt pelican]

oh mystler posted the herodam sims

[dusky tinsel]

probably a lot more spammy in execute range for breath when lucid is active

[cobalt pelican]

that's a lot better than my mess of shit

nice

i really hope we're not degraded back to lucid gaming it felt so clunky using a gcd on it ugh

[rigid mango]

Wanna just ask mystler?

[drifting cloud]

Nah no way lucid major is bad for us

Youd always overcap

[rigid mango]

No way it's bad for us?

I mean it's always been mid tier

[drifting cloud]

Ok not bad but surely worse than bote

[cobalt pelican]

it's like +/-100 from worldvein in sim currently, looks like the trend is like lucid/worldvein -> clf -> bote for st and blood -> worldvein for aoe

yea i'd think so too

like early this tier

bote was my replacement for lucid

by a decent jump

[rigid mango]

Yeah

It's always been a fair bit behind

[cobalt pelican]

but that doesn't show in these even in current gear

kinda interesting though

[rigid mango]

I just don't understand why

Logically I had always kinda assumed it'd scale worse than say, blood

[cobalt pelican]

it's possible stuff just changed over the course of the tier

[rigid mango]

Since blood should obv scale really well

[cobalt pelican]

like, bote was huge in post-bod early gear

and now that we're past profile levels of gear

energy = gamer

[rigid mango]

yaya but still

it's not like you're suboptimal in that gear either

[strange python]

is CLF still bis? or herodamage only updated corruption

[rigid mango]

🔮

By these sims no.

[cobalt pelican]

the herodamage sims are updated and assess each essence in a vacuum

[rigid mango]

But maybe?

[drifting cloud]

I remember before I got clf3 flames was simming same as lucid major for me for that 1 week

[cobalt pelican]

to be fair

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[cobalt pelican]

i didn't put flame major in this sim

[ashen solar]

!sims

[prisma monolith]

BfA Simulations:
Herodamage: https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[cobalt pelican]

because ij ust assumed there's 0 chance of playing it

[rigid mango]

I always had flame/lucid do semi similar

blood a bit better

CLF a fair bit better than that

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpckze71jEJdxt5LTeE1CZ

w/ execute 1

why they gotta

make 2 essences called flame

my brain can't handle

[ashen solar]

Lucid major is .1% behind clf

the fuck

[rigid mango]

I just don't get why bote loses by like

fucking

200 dps to lucid

[cobalt pelican]

guy was right all along..

[ashen solar]

Same

[cobalt pelican]

for every spec..

[vital haven]

mfw bote major will never be a thing anymore

[rigid mango]

Nah it'll still be used I bet

if the diff is only 200 dps it'll have encounter usages

99%

We'll see how shit scales

[cobalt pelican]

yeah for sure it'll be a thing on a lot of fights

[rigid mango]

Blood is probably the best prog ess too

[cobalt pelican]

does seem like lucid gains a lot from execute 3 though

cause the gap widens

by quite a bit

like clf and lucid are +/- a fraction without it

[vital haven]

just delete all the essences except for blood

[dusky tinsel]

breath major and blindside

[vestal wren]

what about WV, seems to be strong now

[rigid mango]

Yeah that's fine

I understand that

but I don't udnerstand lucid's spike

[cobalt pelican]

tbh

with lucid and worldvein

being that close

i don't see why you'd play worldvein

unless it's an aoe situation and i think bote would be better there (pending sims)

[shut garnet]

whats happened

tldr?

[strange python]

so lucid major?

[vestal wren]

raidbots let you sim 8.3 essences

[strange python]

ohh cool

[vestal wren]

and there is a confusion bc. lucid major outsims blood

[cobalt pelican]

i was really confused for a bit i did that race sim in wowgen and i was like why am i simming 52k

[rigid mango]

fucking read @shut garnet

[shut garnet]

cba

i just read 2 lines of u getting triggered cuz lucid major is good apparently

and i was like aight ill just ask

worldvein major tho :puke:

[amber trench]

Is it possible bote is lower because no benthic boots?

[cobalt pelican]

maybe, but crit damage doesn't like scale very well together

[rigid mango]

They don't sync as well as you think they do

what fairy said

[cobalt pelican]

i'll end up doing sims for tomorrows last tep adventure anyway with muh benthic on

[amber trench]

Now that i look closer i think the diff is coming from iris minor vs bote minor is that sim

[shut garnet]

bote minor

[minor thicket]

So by the sounds of it it will be a few days before we know what is best for major and minor

[cobalt pelican]

i doubt these sims will change at all, it'll need a number of people to sim in a variety of gearsets to get some kind of consensus though since a lot of them are close

and the addition of the 4th minor changes a bit

[minor thicket]

So major will be what still CLF?

Even with the nerf

[rigid mango]

We don't entirely know yet

[arctic walrus]

potentially

[rigid mango]

The sims have barely been out

I'll make a post about it when we actually know.,

[cobalt pelican]

troll has always been like

best or 2nd best to maghar

for st

[vestal wren]

i think WV could be a bit more optimized

what could make it a rly interessting essence

[cobalt pelican]

on a 1min cd with 18sec uptime i don't think you can really move it around too much

maybe lining up with closest tb

but that'd mean delaying vend eventually

[vestal wren]

it should line up quite good with vendetta actually

[cobalt pelican]

wv actually seems really interesting for sub since you should get worldvein with every second symbols (pls dont ban me for mentioning other spec)

yeah but i imagine it's already lined up right, it'll press it on cd

i guess it might get pressed a bit late on vend if it's pressing on cd depending on where in the opener it gets pressed

let's seeeeee

yeah it's currently lined up to vend fine, i guess you might be able to move it back a bit if we continue to play font coral to always be inside the overlap window

[vestal wren]

i am not sure, but i think there was a vendetta sync change pushed.
else WV is used on cd

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, i imagine forcing it to wait is a small gain but it's v close to synced without being forced already

[vestal wren]

hmm i guess the change was for subtlety and not assassination for syncing

but i think the vendetta sync def. is something to look at

[minor thicket]

Icy veins posted Sims they are saying Lucia is best major

Lucid

[split veldt]

got a link?

[cobalt pelican]

worldvein/lucid/clf are all within 0.5% for me in current gear

with no 4th minor

[hidden bay]

calm down and wait for tuning after Heroic week

[cobalt pelican]

things are subject to change with the 4th minor opening up and gear

[drifting cloud]

haha herp nice joke

[hidden bay]

[drifting cloud]

its patch week literally everyone that hasnt logged since september is back

[chilly marsh]

@vestal wren what neck level is used for essences ranking ?

[split veldt]

so we just using the same shit for now?

[minor thicket]

Omg what’s my rotation?

We’re doomed!

[vestal wren]

i think the sims use the t24 profile neck

[cobalt pelican]

For HeroDamage, we intend to have updated T24 simulations that reflect changes as well as new Corruption charts live by Tuesday. T24 will be used until Season 4 because that is still the ballpark people are in for comparisons and T25 profiles are still in development for many classes. Once Season 4 starts, we plan to move over to T25 profiles.

[chilly marsh]

hum someone said me vison will be good nekc 80

[cobalt pelican]

that sounds made up

[chilly marsh]

with 25% reduction or something

dont know the scalling

[pearl meteor]

so is the T24 Hero damage updated today for essences?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[pearl meteor]

ok, ty.

[shut garnet]

@cobalt pelican cant you sim the new minor yet if you set hoa level to 75?

[cobalt pelican]

yeah you can

same as this tier, just edit the neck level and the 4th spot opens up

[vital haven]

trinket section on herodamage doesn't load for me

does this happen to anybody else

[cobalt pelican]

it's a little laggy atm, a couple refreshes loaded the graphs for me

[chilly marsh]

cant laod it too

[vital haven]

all the other sections load for me

except for trinkets

[cobalt pelican]

mm yeah for me too currently

it'll be up eventually

[chilly marsh]

are new raid trinekts any good ?

[dusky tinsel]

heh

[chilly marsh]

last time i entered ptr i think they were really bad...

[cobalt pelican]

adding the 4th minor just seems to make clf a little better since it allows room for worldvein lucid and a corruption essence

[dusky tinsel]

I ran some personal sims an hour ago and even at 475 im not replacing font or coral

didnt try psych shredder though, granted my chances at that are slim

[cobalt pelican]

i don't see the trinkets going live the way they are, at least psyche shredder will get a pass and i'd imagine some of the others at the same time

[dusky tinsel]

I really hope they make the raid trinkets strong and appealing

[cobalt pelican]

and trinkets always come with the caveat that they're like usually the last thing to get sim implementation

[dusky tinsel]

took them a long time to make kimbuls decent back in BoD

[nimble skiff]

I sure hope they get changed. My chances at a good font or coral are slim

[dusky tinsel]

I never got any Mythic fonts from our azshara kills and I traded away anything better than the baseline in our heroic clears so I'm just stuck at a 430 font that outsims 475 Nyalotha raid trinkets

[chilly marsh]

mi font and coral have socket too

dont think will replace it lol

[unborn rampart]

CLF is replaced with lucid major?

trying to figure out which essences to use for heroic next week

[rigid mango]

When I know for sure I'll be making a post about it.

[cobalt pelican]

there's a lot of variables going into heroic week that make it honestly just a bit of a mess like

unless you don't raid weds i don't imagein you'll need the 10corr resist on your first raid anyway since you won't have gear

so it'll just either end up being clf iris worldvein lucid or worldvein lucid iris conflict with bote tagging in for the first raid

the 4th minor opening up knocks lucid enough below worldvein that it's probably very rarely worth if worldvein functions

[open wolf]

uhh can anyone do the command for the elvui profiles

trying to find the synx rogue one again

[topaz frost]

What is the opener for font for sin rogues? Do you prepot, use font, then stealth before pull?

Sry I’ll check the pins

👍🏻

Found it

[cobalt pelican]

gamer move

[gusty mirage]

not sure if I missed it, but this is the obligatory did they nerf fan of knives question

I'm sorry @rigid mango don't hate me ❤️

[rigid mango]

[gusty mirage]

I'll see myself out

[hollow junco]

my jboots feel slower

[marble hemlock]

how big is the fok nerf?

[cobalt pelican]

fan of knives only hits 1 target now

and it's called

[hasty vale]

So any news?

[cobalt pelican]

fan of knife

[real bay]

bruh

[frozen karma]

so is worldvein bis now? simmed the highest for me

[hollow junco]

to be fair, those sims probably do not account for lost uptime due to movement

[brave vector]

I’m still getting CLF as BiS honestly

[cobalt pelican]

the only real takeaways so far are that blood kinda isn't in the picture in any non aoe fight

[tropic ocean]

not so sure with major and minor nerf

@brave vector

[brave vector]

Just reporting what my sim says

[tropic ocean]

yeah currently its bis

😄

[cobalt pelican]

the sims are updated for 8.3

do you have worldvein allies on

[tropic ocean]

but the essences are not no?

[cobalt pelican]

yes they are

[brave vector]

It’s giving me clf major worldvein and lucid minor

With 4 allies cause my raid only has 5 melee including me

[tropic ocean]

tanks probably gonna use it too

[cobalt pelican]

tanks are swerving worldvein i think

at least from what i've seen

but there'll be plenty in the raid if it's actually good

and majors spawn the shards anyway

[tropic ocean]

breath of the dying major doesnt sim too bad either

[cobalt pelican]

the breath minor is like

the majority of it's damage

and it's a ~5 week grind

but mayb

[tropic ocean]

interesting is that iris is now a dps loss compared to c&s

minor

[arctic walrus]

sims have literally just been live for like 2 hours

clf is still very good though

[cobalt pelican]

it helps breath that minor1 is like almost all of its damage

[tropic ocean]

will see of how accurate wv sim is

its a an almost 800dps up over clf major simming with 5 allies only

[brave vector]

I’m dumb I simmed for outlaw at first, my sin sim is putting wv first as well

[arctic walrus]

clf still wins for me

[nocturne gate]

isnt it still buggy ?

wv

[cobalt pelican]

at 4 essences clf is better for me too until i have to fit breath in

and then wv is better but marginally

and if that stays the same clf is still lit

[frozen karma]

with 3 essence worldvein pulls 1.1k ahead of CLF for me

[rigid mango]

Sims aren't final, your gear isn't optimal and corruption will alter a lot of things come having a wider selection on items.

[vestal wren]

balance patch is also expected to come sooner or later

[warm ruin]

Anywhere I can get some info on BiS azerite gear please?

[rigid mango]

As much as you can try to figure out what's the best rn, until we jump stats a bit and add the extra variable of corruption to each and everyone's gear, I wouldn't be shocked to find several options being neck to neck or atleast within variance range nearly.

Heck, new trinkets and azerite's gonna be kicking around too.

[warm ruin]

Just wanna know what to spend my residuum on

[rigid mango]

Hard to say with op nerf 😄