#assassination

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cobalt pelican
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just top gear your gear frequently and use gear compare/droptimizer for gear you don't own but are curious about

bold orchid
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awesome thank you!

shrewd iron
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isn't it better to G x2 Rx1 than g, r, g @cobalt pelican that way you won't have to refresh bleeds during Vendetta? or am I missing something

cobalt pelican
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ggr makes your empowered garrote shorter and your rupture longer, it does mean you don't need to refresh rupture in vend

quasi scroll
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Does wound poison have any use?

shrewd iron
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So it's a dps increase even tho you have to refresh rupture during vendettta?

cobalt pelican
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i think seli advocates for ggr in m+ but it's honestly such a negligible change, grg was mathemetically better the last time i was checked but that was also back in bod

rigid mango
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Yes, pvp.

quasi scroll
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ty

cobalt pelican
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when you actually boil the openers down you're exchanging a tick (or the majority of a tick) of 3xss subt garrote for an envenom inside vend (but outside tb)

shut garnet
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you can also just have the best of both worlds by starting the fight with 2cp

cobalt pelican
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it's not a massive number difference either way, the empowered garrote tick is likely better

shut garnet
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and then you get an extra tick of ss and a 5cp rupture

cobalt pelican
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yeah, ideally

shut garnet
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which is easily doable in m+

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on most bosses

vapid delta
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
ripe gulch
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so me and my friend were discussing crimson vs hidden blades

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he says hidden feels better in 4 mob pulls

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does anyone use hidden blades and would they recommend it

strange python
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no and no

cobalt pelican
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not really sure how one would feel better

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neither talent is miles ahead of the other, ct consistently sims better but hb has some perks like stacking outside combat so you can bomb shit like shrine 3rd boss tents and having some value on st

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overall in dungeons you want spam aoe damage it's just generally pretty consistently valuable to have ct though so eh

arctic walrus
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for hb to edge out over either pb and ct, it needs consistently, large pulls where you are constantly spamming fok, which just isn't applicable in most keys

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pb and ct allow you to slightly align your focus in a certain direction

steel summit
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!help

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
honest needle
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what pots will we be using for new raid and patch ?
cause i wanna stock up
I just got a prosperity proc so i wanna make as many as i can

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u think assasin will b good for the new raid or u think outlaw is gonna be much better ?

rigid mango
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Same as current ones.

honest needle
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so unbridled fury ?

rigid mango
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Yes.

honest needle
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with cleave outlaw is prolly gonna be much better right ?

granite rampart
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not necessarily

honest needle
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how u think priest are gonna be

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OP still ?

arctic walrus
woeful carbon
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without inkpod use coral every ven right

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?

arctic walrus
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Even with, you would pair with vendetta

woeful carbon
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oh ok

marble tartan
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Anyone planning to go for the mechagnomes?

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hopefully MGs are not better than Voidelves..

woeful carbon
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i believe that's a wow-general topic my guy

modest tendon
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nelf is still bis ally just saying 😛

marble tartan
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Its not cause its for my assa rogue

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And not my disc priest😂

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@woeful carbon

pure moth
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
wise idol
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Was it this reset you could do normal/hc raids ?

young portal
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Wrong channel but no, 21st NA/22nd EU

wise idol
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Okey

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If any1 here could maybe help look at one of my logs and see what i'm doing wrong it would be awesome!

tropic ocean
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Just post it here

wise idol
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Okey

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I am Yeaiknow

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Don't have rank 3 Life Force and no benthic, but feel i should do more

verbal mantle
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Your opener, you should use your potion before the pull (at 1) in order to use another one later in another burst window

wise idol
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Yea think they kept ninjapulling shit, happend a few times

verbal mantle
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yeh happens

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but try to avoid that as much as possible

wise idol
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Looking at nother hc log that was 40sec longer and i had worse gear i did more dmg , dont get it

verbal mantle
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also, I see you're playing Subterfuge

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while you dont have any Shrouded Suffocation traits

wise idol
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Is that a big dps loss or ?

verbal mantle
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yes sir

wise idol
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Yea wasn't sure about that one, which talent should i go for instead of it ?

verbal mantle
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Master Assassin

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and you will go with this opener

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train yourself on a target dummy

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and you should have CLF r3, but 8.3 will bring new essences and CLF will probably be on the bench

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but you should get it anw

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imo

wise idol
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Yea i'll get it next reset

verbal mantle
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Nice

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you have to use it right before vendetta

wise idol
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What about my wep enchants ?

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Deadly + force atm

verbal mantle
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Only a sim can tell you that

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Patchwerk 5 min, one target

jaunty arrow
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
wise idol
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What abour my rotation other than the opener, does it look fine ?

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Try to refresh rupture at 7sec ish, evenom at 4+

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Toxic Blade of cd, but when you gonna use it should i try uand have around 100 energy so i can spam more mutilate's ?

verbal mantle
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yeh, always Envenom at 4+

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100 energy is good to enter in a TB window

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also

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use your coral earlier

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like, at pull

wise idol
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Yea i fucked up abit with the coral, forgot to apply it =p

verbal mantle
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haha it happens

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but main thin is that you have subterfuge while you dont have any SS traits

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you should learn and practice the MA opener

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you will see the difference

wise idol
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Okey, thans bro! Appriciate it.

verbal mantle
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Pleasure is mine 100rogue

woeful carbon
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i got a question that might be stupid but i wanna make sure, is it a dps loss to use non shrouded garrotes for 5th combo point when i hit 4

wise idol
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Time to farm some more bgs for essence:( If any EU people wanna do some bgs lemme know!

modest tendon
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Never overwrite empowered garrote with unempowered one?

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But sure keep it up 100% of the time on boss

young portal
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@woeful carbon the only time you would garrote in that situation is if garrote on your current target falls into pandemic window(less than 5.4 seconds remaining). Otherwise, finishing at 4cp is fine

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Unless like Payday said, you have an empowered garrote up. Then you let that run its course

woeful carbon
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yeah that's obvious i just wanted to make sure i'm not really good with implied stuff lol

wise idol
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Here i was enjoying assassin but the blood farm, time to delete! :/

woeful carbon
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should of done korraks

shut garnet
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its not that bad

wise idol
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@shut garnet The bg farm is not that bad ?=P

shut garnet
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just get it done whilst it’s easy to do and you wont have to worry about it again

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:p

wise idol
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Well imagine a PvP player that HATE pve and need to spam m+ but only deplete it

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😛 It's a PAIN dude cus i hate pvp

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And losing makes it even worse

woeful carbon
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i do to trust me it's worth it

wise idol
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Na man, it's not

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I got anger issues, doesnt make it easier =p

shut garnet
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or you can just do the afk in a bush strat watching yt

wise idol
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i tried 😛

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Getting kicked every time

shut garnet
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w.e i mean imo conflict and strife was worse, i can remember a time when it was bis as a minor instead of VoP

wise idol
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So losing a BG now is like 300honor, and i need 23000 for rank 3, let's see how many i need to do

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76 bgs, and one last for like 15-20min ish

shut garnet
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and grinding 2s to 2k rating and to cap for like 3 weeks was 10 times more aids than doing BGs for 3 days

woeful carbon
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i legit rather be sub par than do that and i don't even care

wise idol
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Last tier and blizz still wont make essence account shared

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hehe

tropic ocean
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dont think c&s is worse than honor grind as it doesn't take as long and comes pretty much down to your and your teammates skill

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instead of multiple pve monkeys running around in bg thinking its quake arena

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not considering the time gate probably invested 3 or 4 hours max for r3 c&s

wise idol
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What he said^

verbal mantle
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instead of multiple pve monkeys running around in bg thinking its quake arena
I liked that part, pretty accurate

burnt escarp
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so i am confused when i try out sub i do 30k on dummy when i try out assassination i do 30k on the dummy : / i always though sub sucked

green tide
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Sub is good at single Target and turning aoe into priority Target damage. Assassination doesn't get hurt quite as badly by periods of downtime though because they can refresh their dots ( which actually deal real damage) which will typically last until they're able to attack again

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So because of how raid fights are made right now,. Even if sub was the "better" spec for a fight, sin would just be much easier to use with little to no loss of damage. Also sin is very straightforward.

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At least that's how I've come to understand the current differences

burnt escarp
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ah so basicly the downtime hurts sub mainly...

green tide
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That and poor play 😂

burnt escarp
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i mean sub isnt too hard to play 😛

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but idk this is gonna sounds realy weird but im finding sub easier rotation wise than assination

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assassination*

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woops

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lol

green tide
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With good timers/UI setup and a little practice, sin flows pretty well in my opinion. I think it comes down to preference causing comfort.

burnt escarp
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so if a spec is more comfortable then play it? im guessing is what your saying?

green tide
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Yeah. If you're not pushing content where min maxing is key, as long as you're still doing your roles Job correctly, you're going to down the content you're working on.

burnt escarp
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true just joined this raid guild i just dont wanna look like a stinker 😛

green tide
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Just keep working on your gameplay and your gear. Everyone in all three rogue spec channels are helpful as long as you read through pins first 😂

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And as long as questions are in the correct channel

burnt escarp
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yeah i gotcha thanks 😄

tropic ocean
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it might be very azerite/gear related as well

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sub cant compete dps-wise with sin sadly so that your dps is pretty equal can either be better azerite for sub/worse for sin or better sub play than sin play

burnt escarp
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truthfully i am using hekili to learn my rotation properly but i am also running sims too

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does sin require a certain crit cap or haste cap?

strange python
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no caps

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best way is to sim yourself to find if one stat has overtaken then others

burnt escarp
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so a stat weight sim?

strange python
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yup, thats what i would do

burnt escarp
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k thanks 😄

storm lodge
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is lw or engg more useful for 8.3? in terms of helm vs boots+legs ?

candid jewel
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what do you think about trinket in 8.3 for assa rogue on raids ? Font still be good ?

hushed maple
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hey stopped playing rogue for 2 months

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when did we use CLF againß

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before TB?

outer lotus
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Before vendetta

hushed maple
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alrighty

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thx

inner sonnet
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anyone have some good tips for KR this week? I'm trying 2x SS 2x EB TtK NP, figure NP could be worth for the amount we're only attacking 1 thing

wise idol
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Well depends, wanna be the "padder" or not =p

vast forum
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EB isn't too valuable in KR

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if you can get 3 ss it's much better

modest tendon
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I played with a 3k assa who ran 3ss and 3eb the other day

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he pumped

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3eb can work especially on fortified

cobalt pelican
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in kr?

modest tendon
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i think optimal build might be 3ss 1np 1ttk 1bbi

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ye#

cobalt pelican
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eb will always still be the second most damage overall trait btu it's like

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kinda inting

modest tendon
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ye

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it worked

wise idol
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3ss 3eb and 0 boss dmg =p

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only pure aoe

stable oxide
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Knowing the new patch has M+ Mechagon. And those Mechagon rings being super strong. It makes Jewelcrafting kinda useless right?

cobalt pelican
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assuming you get the ones you want, they aren't changed, and you have no insane secondary corrupted ring or something

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yea

quasi scroll
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Is Blood of the Enemy still going to be good in 8.3?

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(is it still worth grinding out BGs for rank 3?)

inner sonnet
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it will gain more value from the nerf of CLF for raids, M+ still just as good

cobalt pelican
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it's worth getting

quasi scroll
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Thanks

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at 15k/30k but... alliance

cobalt pelican
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you have a decent amount of time to get it before anything from next tier happens

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just do it slow and steady you'll be fine

halcyon zealot
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Is there a resource or reference on where to find what corrupted traits / gear we should be most looking out for

cobalt pelican
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nothing yet, check back sometime during patch week

wise idol
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@quasi scroll damn ur 1k ahead of me :/

stable oxide
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I wanna know how high I need to value certain abilities at specific times.
For example:

  • Garrote expired , 4cp, Wandering Soul is active for one more Global Cooldown. Do I at that point refresh Garrote, or do a Envenom?
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Same counts with Toxic Blade active active one more Global cooldown

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Do I prio Envenom during Toxic blade or Wandering Soul even though I would lose 1 or 2 tics of garrote?

covert crag
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Would it be worth to drop 450 gorak tuls for 435 EB/SS in m+?

outer lotus
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Wandering soul? Is that the blightborne infusion proc?

stable oxide
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Yeah

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that's blightborn infusion

outer lotus
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Pretty sure you shouldnt change your rotation based on that and just garrote. Either way, it's such an incredibly fringe scenario

rigid mango
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Ignore shit like that

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The gain is so miniscule it wont show with standard variation

stable oxide
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So you would say Garrote?

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I know the difference might not be big, but i'm trying to min/max here 😂

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Like sometimes I come in situations like this

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During raids

outer lotus
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You probably dont even have that scenario come up in 1/100 Boss fights and when it happens it may be like a 3 dps difference

stable oxide
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And most of the time I just go for the garrote uptime

rigid mango
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What I'm saying is

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That if you care about this no one will notice, literally.

stable oxide
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It's all about dem logs man!

rigid mango
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They literally

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Wont show a diff

storm lodge
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yeah..it wont make a difference in the logs

rigid mango
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Since your logs aren't 99's to begim with

storm lodge
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random procs will cause more variance than that, so unless you;re calling for wipes when you dont get the right procs at the right time

stable oxide
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Yikes :'(

rigid mango
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You obv have other issues

stable oxide
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Well this tier was abit shitty for me xD

rigid mango
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Whether that be kill timer or what

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Bit this wont show

stable oxide
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But BoD was okay is :P

cobalt pelican
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it wouldn't be worth it anyway

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but yeah the more you try and overcomplicate things the more you're just going to lose dps

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the spec is really simple, if you want to focus on anything focus on the super basics and making sure they're ironed out 100% and then secondary like how you actually play individual fights

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any downtime you have cause you're uncomfortable is going to lead to way more dam lost than whether a baby envenom crits or not

rigid mango
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I'm not saying your logs are bad

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But this wont show

opal scroll
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does any1 knows if theres any guide or analysis on what will be BiS for us in nyalotha?

rigid mango
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And odds are there's a much bigger underlying issue to your logs being there

shut garnet
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who tracks bbi procs anyway

stable oxide
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Yeah I know :P but I pinpointed those out already

rigid mango
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Then that's it.

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Not saying rotationally either

stable oxide
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I've been lacking gradually on pooling energy to optimize my toxicblades and stuff like that

rigid mango
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Kill timers are huge.

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You're killing right in between vends

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That's really bad for logs

stable oxide
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It triggers me taht some guildies with 99 logs tell me that my logs are bad xD

shut garnet
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you should work on getting the basics down and executing them perfectly

rigid mango
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Qa log can obv be improved

shut garnet
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before you try to minmax giga

rigid mango
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Same for qc

stable oxide
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and i'm like..... besides the minor mistakes I make... It must also have to do with the way we kill the boss

rigid mango
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But first 3/4 are down to kill tiners

shut garnet
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if you're saying you're not pooling properly for TB windows thats a lot more major than not playing into bbi procs

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and also easier to improve on

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AND it will show on logs more

rigid mango
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Ur logs are fine

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But qc/qa are kinda really meh

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And should be fixable

stable oxide
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@shut garnet I know that was a major mistake :P I've been somewhat casual in Eternal Palace which kinda shows xD

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Yeah those trigger me really hard xD

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QC and Azshara are just really painfull

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Especially QC

dapper bough
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if i understand the pin correctly, with bote i do Bote > vanish > envenom and then bote after every TB window inside vendetta ?

rigid mango
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Yeh well those are more knowing about the fights

shut garnet
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yeah torou

rigid mango
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You do tb bote vanish env

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Yes

dapper bough
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thanks ❤️

cobalt pelican
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kinda, like you have 1.5 months of qc logs where you're not bleeding both on the opener

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stuff like that is way more important than whether your toe hairs are aerodynamic

shut garnet
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whats the qc strat anyways

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is it open on one with mut rup then shadowstep mut rup g on the 2nd target?

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and then just follow with normal rotation and reapply bleeds everytime shadowstep/sprint is up?

rigid mango
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Don't need to step on pull

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But you swap targets around step

dapper bough
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what is "QC" ?

rigid mango
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Queens court

stable oxide
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Queen's Court

dapper bough
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oh

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Played this fight on arcane mage

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was NOT fun

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(yeah that was a dumb thing to do)

rigid mango
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Arcane OMEGALUL

shut garnet
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wouldnt coral be awkward as fuck to play in that fight

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i see a lot of ppl running font inkpod for it

rigid mango
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It's a bit awk ye but meh

outer lotus
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Dont really know how PPM works but if you hit a target where coral cant proc on and you switch back to your coral target, dont you kinda get the procs you missed by switching back?

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Like the game sees that you only had 2 coral procs in a minute and it forces more procs once you hit the right target again until you are back to where your stacks should be

rigid mango
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I get considerably lower stacks on qc iirc

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But it doesn't make coral less busted

rose violet
cobalt pelican
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is coral even on rppm though

rigid mango
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I don't think so?

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Because you get more procs based on specs

rose violet
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Do you?

hushed maple
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Hello

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🙂

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considering I am not using benthic

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is my performance okay?

rose violet
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Wowhead says 6 RPPM

rigid mango
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I mean I've never paid attention to it tbh

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Since I mainly play specs where stacks don't matter

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Overcapping w mut still @hushed maple

shut garnet
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you're running 2NP laso

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not the best

rose violet
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Also it’s applied through your abilities not attacks in general

rigid mango
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I mean that's just not really relevant maiev but w/ever

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Opener still scuffed pamysia

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Still rotational issues outside of lack of gear.

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And yes I know it's applied by spells too.

shut garnet
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🤔

rigid mango
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But I only play sin/outlaw w inkpod and never look at stack count.

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Like I said the opener was scuffed

shut garnet
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should be mut ->rup ->mut -> g if mutilates are 4cp, otherwise if first mut is 3cp do it again to get 5cp rup

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not sure if its in the pins, probably still is

rigid mango
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Maiev pls

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Stop type

shut garnet
rigid mango
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I've dealt w him before

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I've helped before just like

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Chill no need to parrot

hushed maple
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well it was my first time rogue since the last time I posted

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which was....over a month ago xD

rigid mango
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Yah.

hushed maple
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I played my mage after that

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But yes

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I will practice

compact zinc
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getting bote as alliance is basically impossible

shut garnet
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alliance player that got bote here; it is not impossible

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just keep at it my friend

compact zinc
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3 days = 1 win its been brutal

outer lotus
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Wdym horde players use mercenary mode so they can queue as alliance

shut garnet
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well, it's debatable whether its actually worth the fast queues to play with alliance players

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either way it's very doable, i doubt you're playing enough if you're only winning one game in 3 days 😛can just get unlucky tho i guess

compact zinc
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been at it 3 hours so far today lol

strange python
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Hey Rogues 🙂 Do we also stick with FOnt & Coral for next raid? Do you know?

rigid mango
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We don't.

drifting cloud
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(know)

strange python
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We will be using font + coral next expac

polar tapir
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From what I've heard from some of the bigger guilds, some bosses you might want to stack Inkpods

rigid mango
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We don't know the trinket numbers yet from mythic yet

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Font coral looks as strong as ever but just like draught in legion, might get nerfed to force us into new trinks.

tropic ocean
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BeanbossToday at 7:53 PM
We will be using font + coral next expac

source?

shrewd iron
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Do the cdr seem good for assa?

rigid mango
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Not really.

tropic ocean
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there will probably still be a lot of tuning

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as even the numbers are not (yet?) properly adjusted

cobalt pelican
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considering he said expac i'd assume he was memeing

tropic ocean
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think for st maybe the twisted appendage/gushind wound one and for m+ echoing void or twilight devastation if void gets nerfed

brave vector
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Was messing around with some ptr sims yesterday using my current gear and gushing was baaaaaad

cobalt pelican
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twisted appendage should be in the nightly, gushing is still getting fixes

strange python
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hey rogues do i multi until 5 cp every time before i pop vend > tb > vanish > Envenom?

brave vector
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finisher at 4cp+

strange python
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so sometimes a crit and sometimes not so 4 or 5 cp after tb

brave vector
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you should use a finisher so long as youre at 4cp or more, in regards to your specific example, you mut until you have at least 4cp, then tb vanish env

strange python
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@brave vector but if i have max cp do i overcap with tb?

brave vector
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yes

strange python
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thank u for your help ^^

strange python
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void already got nerfed it doesnt hit every target with the same amount it now splits damage based on targets

rigid mango
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Yep.

gusty mirage
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there goes my dream of a 4 tank 1 priest meta 😦

blissful storm
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When TB debuff is active, and rupture is ending do we want to use Envenom and lose couple ticks of rupture because of it or refresh rupture?

rigid mango
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Refresh rupture or refresh rupture 2-3 sec pre pandemic to get cleaner tb window

blissful storm
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so refreshing rup before TB window is ok, even if it has like 10 second left?

rigid mango
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10-9 sec left outside of tb

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Or just refresh during tb not horrible

blissful storm
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ok, thanks

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another thing about TB, if Vendetta willl be up in like 10 seconds

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do I want to hold TB to have it during vendetta?

rigid mango
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No u hold vend for tb

blissful storm
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oh that way, ok

rigid mango
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Aslong as that means you wont lose a cast of vend later on

blissful storm
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ye ye, got it thanks a lot @rigid mango

next solar
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One thing I love about assass is there’s a bit of variety with Azerite. Right now I sim right at 53k with 2 TtK, 1 loyal, 1 NP, 1BBi, 1 DD

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I just love the variety of pseudo builds

rigid mango
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You mean having mediocre stuff aswell as good stuff?

next solar
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The fact it can still work/compete. That you can variety for fights. It’s not necessary linear

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Have variety

rigid mango
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I mean there's one build and the only reason other mediocre traits like ttk compete is becuase of OP on the pieces not necessarily the traits

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Just changing one trait doesn't make it a new build really

next solar
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Which is why I said pseudo build, not full on build.

worldly fable
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Are there any other notable trinkets from Mythic+ that are relevant for PvE other than Harlan's Loaded Dice, Dead-Eye Spyglass and Azerokk's Resonating Heart?

rigid mango
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Myeh just worse build doing the exact same thing is a pseudo build ig.

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Those 3 are the best yeah.

cobalt pelican
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plumage is the only other semi usable trinket but it's been severely left behidn this tier

rigid mango
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Spyglass best though.

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Yah like fairy said, if coral wasn't a thing plumage is aight

next solar
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So 3xDD 3xNP

rigid mango
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Is bad

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Well, not bis.

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"sub-optimal"

next solar
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For ek ss plumage works great with blood for high burst

#

Not necessarily bis, but is good.

#

What is theoretically bis atm? Fight styles also have a lot to do with builds. I see a lot of meme parse builds making the rounds lol

rigid mango
#

Zaq + gorak + blackwater

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Aka 2 dd 1 np loyal bbi ttk 3 op.

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3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op aka zaq + gorak + cepha is also not far behind

next solar
#

Yup. I gav helmet to boomie on our last kill.

harsh sphinx
next solar
#

I hate how loyal was a thing

worldly fable
#

Alright, thanks for the answers

rigid mango
#

Why tho

next solar
#

As a whole. Outside of raid it’s super weak

rigid mango
#

Yah but what's the issue

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Sin only really has talents good in 1 form of content

#

Atleast for optimisation

next solar
#

I’d rather use SS over loyal on chest outside of it.

rigid mango
#

Yah but do u hate DD because you'd rather use SS over it?

next solar
#

It’s not that big of a deal by any means. Lol just never was a fan of raid specific traits, kinda like how benthic worked

rigid mango
#

Outside of raids

next solar
#

Not at all

rigid mango
#

Then I just don't get what ur tryna say lol

next solar
#

Just a preference thing is all haha I hate that the trait feels weaker because I’m not in a raid is all

rigid mango
#

Yeah but DD is weak outside too ionwut

next solar
#

It’s not based on how many players I’m with. DD actually affects a specific ability whereas loyal is mainly stat buffs and is essentially an extra mastery stick

cobalt pelican
#

i kinda hate loyal too but mostly just because it's annoying

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doesn't work cross radiance platform, doesn't work in delirium

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etc

rigid mango
#

Yah but outside of raid content loyal is just better than DD in like, every scenario pretty much.

cobalt pelican
#

just an unnecessary pain in the ass

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no idea why they didn't just make the range 100+yds

rigid mango
#

Idk who even cares about loyal every raid has enough to make it usable every fight

cobalt pelican
#

mine doesn't

next solar
#

It’s mainly a preference is all, outside of raid

rigid mango
#

Yikers raid fairy

cobalt pelican
#

i have to reorganize the groups myself on radiance to make sure i don't play the fight with 68 mastery 🙂

rigid mango
cobalt pelican
#

radiance pull

next solar
#

Any major changes other than OP nerf with Azerite/stat prios?

cobalt pelican
#

sivara pull

rigid mango
#

Stat prios we don't know

cobalt pelican
#

only a casual 200 mastery lost

#

😿

next solar
#

That’s a lot of verse

rigid mango
#

Stat prio will still be "a little bit of everything" probably

cobalt pelican
#

yeah no s tat is really going to fall off

#

all our stats plot upwards on the same angle more or less

rigid mango
#

Just might lose some value in stuff like vers maybe if we stop playing CLF

next solar
#

Yup. Sims tell all

rigid mango
#

And maybe mastery becomes better

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because they're all equal apart from mastery, more or less.

#

Just tends to be a tiny bit behind this tier, a lot thanks to loyal in itself.

next solar
#

we unfortunate won’t kill queen:( making decent progress but had a lot of roster issues and decided to do heavy prep for next tier. Feelsbadman. We only have 6 people left from the start of the tier and finally got a strong roster. Main reason we’re stopping is because we lost our MT to rl stuff

cobalt pelican
#

stat plots for assassination look so stupid

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even if i'd zoom down to much more detail above the standard blocks it'd be like everything equal till crit loses a little value

next solar
#

Yup

lone junco
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
lone junco
#

@strange python ^

#

Mizerok group is what I use. the important things to watch are the garrote and rupture uptimes.

next solar
#

Also, at what point is it worth replacing ffont next tier?

cobalt pelican
#

when you get something better, probably

lone junco
#

when you get something better

#

👨‍🔬

strange python
#

do i just import the 1st?

#

or multiple?

drifting cloud
#

the one you like the most

lone junco
#

You will want some sort of name plate that shows bleeds on your targets as well.

strange python
#

yeah but what about the "other weakauras" that aren't sub/outlaw

lone junco
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in cleave you will be tabbing around putting bleeds out.

next solar
#

i mean...yeah...sort of wordded that wrong lol

rigid mango
#

Font + coral looks really good still

#

And unless the trinkets get buffed they'll be hard to beat, possibly by mythic versions.

#

That or current tier trinkets get nerfed

lone junco
#

@strange python dont really need the other ones. "how many ruptures are active" is neat, but something you can mess with later.

strange python
#

ok ty 🙂

lone junco
#

the im portant part of the WA. is the Empowered garrote, (if using SS trait) dont overwrite it until the end.

#

it says EMP or something for empowered.

#

its a fun spec, very easy to play at a medium level.

#

guide is here.

#

M+ talents are listed

#

aside.

I LOVE this graph. Look at sin.
Bis at Low, 25%
2nd at 50%
top tier at 75% and 99%. and very good max.

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Highest performing lows, means it is easy to perform well.

#

(my interpretation of the data)

#

but its been that way for years

vestal wren
#

frost mage is hardest to play if we go with that

lone junco
#

low min. low 25% low 50% loweSt 75% lowest 99%

#

on that fight i would say yes

vestal wren
#

knowing the no ice lance build is the dominant one, i cant see that beeing true

lone junco
#

I guess something could be easy to play, and also horrible.

#

adjusted easy to perform well

tropic linden
#

ive had some cold meds and not thinking straight: ... those bloodmallet trinket sims dont account for the 2 set in new raid right

#

?

covert schooner
#

With blood 3 as a major, which of these minors should I choose? If there's something I dont have that will take less than 2 days, add that too

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For Aoe purposes

next solar
#

pure aoe? get Protocol up to r3

rigid mango
#

Strife is better

shadow zealot
#

hey all , what opener give the highest dps? shrouded suff or MA?

#

according to ravenholdt

covert schooner
#

Thanks notorius, what as my second minor trait @next solar

#

Memory?

shut garnet
#

it depends what setup you use i guess?

covert schooner
shut garnet
#

but MA is pretty “meta”

#

if you’re not running any SS traits

shadow zealot
#

yeah im talking ST

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in a raid environment

vast forum
#

you'll usually end up using MA for progress

shut garnet
#

yeah like

#

subterfuge with ss has seen like 0 play this tier

#

on prog

#

and on current logs im pretty sure

quasi pewter
#

highest opener is 3x shrouded subterfuge but idk why ur asking about opener

#

3x shrouded 3x np deeper strat exsang propably blasts pretty hard

shut garnet
#

and then you’re out of opener time period and the boss is 80% health

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and you alt tab for the rest of the fight

quasi pewter
#

yes

tawny shell
#

no way lucid comes back as BiS for ST pepehands

rigid mango
#

It's still bis just as a minor

tawny shell
#

blood mallet put sims out with it as bis major pepehands

rigid mango
#

Because the major was so good

#

Minor*

#

The major was worse than blood

tawny shell
#

true. itll be better on the cleave fights anyways

rigid mango
#

I mean lucid will never be bis

#

because the major is meh

storm lodge
#

wtf....

#

so we just have to suck unless we roll rank 3 infinite stars corruption ?

shut garnet
#

every class is like that it’ll get nerfed dw

civic palm
#
  1. Depends on how much DMG it ends up being.
  2. If it's too much on a singular option odds are there will be a nerf.
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I would expect the really poor options to be buffed a little as well.

#

or for the targeting logic of Infinite Stars to change so it's not just GOOD.

sage forum
#

In terms of dealing damage on trash packs.. should I wait until I have all my ruptures up before I vendetta?

strange python
#

you dont use it on trash unless there's a priority target that needs to die afaik

crimson salmon
#

does scent of blood from multiple pieces stack?

rigid mango
#

Yes but it's bad either way.

crimson salmon
#

yea, more of a 'i just didnt know'

outer lotus
#

There is not a single trait that doesnt stack in some way. Stats and damage always stack, stuff like increased duration doesnt

robust gull
#

should garrote be your top damage in an m+?

rigid mango
#

Yah

robust gull
#

nutty, honestly i have gotten with very few sin rogues, and most the ones i get dont do much overall, but this dude was doin nutty damage and his garrote was top at 30% of his overall lol, never seen that before

rigid mango
#

Happens when you rock 3 SS like you should

#

Aslong as you get the right restealths it's dope.

robust gull
#

dude has inspired me to try out sin in keys, always done outlaw, but his damage was sexy

rigid mango
#

Damage wise sin should beat outlaw really

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Not a huge diff though.

robust gull
#

is it much harder to do big damage in keys as sin? i mean honestly ive never seen a sin rogue do damage like this

rigid mango
#

It's for sure harder to play

robust gull
#

or is it just a matter of getting the right traits/setup

rigid mango
#

You're very bound to traits yeah.

#

I mean I keep up with outlaws +- with with my kinda suboptimal pieces

robust gull
#

good to know, thanks for the info, been eye opening lol

strange python
#

imagine you could forget about buffs you gotta reroll 24/7 and just dot shit up and fok all day

#

its that great

urban frigate
#

what are the chances Lucid Major wont be bis?

quasi pewter
#

lucid major will never be bis

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the minor will be

urban frigate
#

I really hope so with the nerfs goin round I was worried we would have to use it.

quasi pewter
#

no

upper elm
#

https://youtu.be/Z5SfOJJIpWw quick question to this guide on 13:33 he shows the opener with an addon which shows your Last actions, But i dont get it why is he doing rupture 4 times? Or Is this just the addon

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arctic walrus
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It's just a weird addon interaction

upper elm
#

Ah ok because i saw pikaboo doing the Same in arena but it Is probably the same addon

arctic walrus
#

like there's also no possible way to have gotten 4 ruptures off in the span of 1 gcd lol

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not even if it got parried on the dummy

upper elm
#

True

upper elm
#

Do i switch Traits depending von tyrannical/ fortified or per dungeon? Or Is it always 3 times garote trait and 2+ fok traits

robust light
#

Eb is good for aoe but does nothing on st

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So if you want more aoe for fortified take some eb if it's a choice of eb vs ttk

inner sonnet
#

I change it up each dungeon, like EB is next to useless in KR
You deffo want 3 SS, trash heavy big pulls dungeons you want EB, dungeons with smaller pulls and bigger single pull fights and bosses I tend to see more value in TtK, BBI maybe a one off NP

rigid mango
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@upper elm cut all eb's in siege and kr play like normal for rest

marble tartan
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@upper elm it's because he uses a 4 combopoint rupture

upper elm
#

Thx to all so ill try it

torpid sluice
#

Can't be real right? 😛

frigid briar
#

why?

arctic walrus
#

It’s real but expect it to change cuz literally every spec wants this trinket atm

torpid sluice
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cause its intelect trinket

upper elm
#

U mean psyche shredder

torpid sluice
#

Yea

upper elm
#

Hmm

rigid mango
#

Nope, that's real.

frigid briar
#

Any word on this affix being nerfed yet?

#

Infinite stars

rigid mango
#

Can you guess

torpid sluice
#

@rigid mango So we shall yoink the intellect trinket?

rigid mango
#

If it stays like this, why not?

torpid sluice
#

Cool

rigid mango
#

Just like inf stars

#

But both seem anti-blizz mindset

shut garnet
#

would it even drop for us though

rigid mango
#

Nope

dusky tinsel
#

ewwww bloodmallet is saying lucid dreams major

rigid mango
#

Because of the minor

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Still don't see the major being the best

dusky tinsel
#

ah probably right, don't really use bloodmallet but got my curiosity peaked

rigid mango
#

I'd also use herodamage over bm

dusky tinsel
#

Oh I typically do, but it hasn't been updated yet for 8.3 when I checked last night

frigid briar
#

WV numba 1

vestal wren
#

to give some "information", int trinkets usually have reduced effectiveness on non int classes, in the case of the int trinket it still peforms better then the other equivalent agi ones.

its the trinket i mentioned yesterday in #off-topic and its the newest "meme"

#

you will see similar issues with corruption once corruption graphs are on the websites

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(big diffrence in power lvl)

frigid briar
#

with infinite stars and echoing void you mean?

vestal wren
#

EV was changed so its less brutal, stars is quite noticable ahead in power yes

frigid briar
#

yeah by like 23k lol

vestal wren
#

EP trinkets are super op

#

but blizz can just buff the trinkets of the new raid ^^

#

or nerf the ones form EP

frigid briar
#

3 items from crafting - a Lego cloak, 2 bis trinkets when progress starts

#

pretty big deal LUL

#

why inkpod? not coral and font?

dark crag
#

I traded a 455 inkpod

#

To the main warri

frigid briar
#

yeah probably other classes, good for p4 burns on hard bosses

#

This is going to be a really crazy patch imo

vestal wren
#

the main issue is the balance atm

#

corruption just seems badly balanced

coarse tusk
#

they just need to buff the raid trinkets

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2 of them at mythic level are worse than a bunch of 430 M+ trinkets

frigid briar
#

Corruption level limits going to add a lot of problems for guilds (Not so much top end)

dark crag
#

They will nerf coral, font and inkpod

vestal wren
#

likely

dark crag
#

That's not the way

sharp viper
shy axle
#

do you gar/rup the witches that are not active for energyreg in wcm or just do the normal st opener and focus the active on?

dusky tinsel
#

2 garrotes on main witch, 1 garrote on inactive for the energy regen

candid jasper
#

My sim is saying master assassin is best but it's also suggesting vision minor, which means vendetta and vanish no longer share the same cooldown

#

I'm a bit confused at how this sims higher

rigid mango
#

Link the sim

candid jasper
#

sec

dusky tinsel
#

I'm guessing you don't have a variety of essence options eh?

candid jasper
#

I have every essence, most at rank 4 😛

#

sec, running the sim

rigid mango
#

Sounds very doubtful then.

candid jasper
#

That's why I thought I'd raise it here 😄

#

sec

#

ok, apologies, I must have screwed the sim up before, it's now showing a different minor

rigid mango
candid jasper
#

my azerite pieces are terrible 😢

#

I was hoping to not have to play with master assassin though, I prefer garrote as there's always adds that it's beneficial to drop empowered garrotes on

rigid mango
#

Adds on what?

#

And nah sin's role is pretty much to straight hump the boss

candid jasper
#

Take mythic azshara for example

#

Where you have two adds at the beginning

#

You then have to switch to the hulk, so a vanish, garrote on the first add, then step to the hulk and drop an empowered garrote on that too

dusky tinsel
#

I ran MA on mythic azshara, as did 99% of other rogues on that fight

candid jasper
#

Ah, right ok

rigid mango
#

Yeah no you would never want thay

dusky tinsel
#

I never ran anything other than MA all of Mythic prog in EP

rigid mango
#

P1 is irrelevant 😄

candid jasper
#

:p

#

When do you use the condensed life force if you're using MA

#

After the first window?

dusky tinsel
#

right before vendetta

candid jasper
#

ta 🙂

#

Right now, I've got condensed (major), memory and iris

sinful lotus
#

Hello everyone, happy new year. Haven't been on this Discord in a while (also been absent in game since BDA). Are there any guides/sims to show which rogue spec is looking strong for raiding/M+?

candid jasper
#

I would have thought blood was going to trump iris but meh :p

rigid mango
#

@sinful lotus outlaw and sin for both.

dusky tinsel
#

nah, haste is too valuable, that set up is typically correct

rigid mango
#

Blood minor sucks ass

#

More than iris being really good

#

Strife and iris are the best

dusky tinsel
#

^

sinful lotus
#

@rigid mango Sin for raiding, outlaw M+? or both viable for both depending on fights?

candid jasper
#

Neat

#

Ta

sinful lotus
#

/affixes

dusky tinsel
#

pretty much pickle

candid jasper
#

I do find blood major really nice in M+

#

I run echox3 shroudx3, blood (major), memory, strife

rigid mango
#

They're more than good for all scenarios in m+ and raid

sinful lotus
#

Ok good to know :). Also, completely behind on the whole Essence grind. What should I be aware of going into 8.3? Are the new essences going to replace the bis old ones? How worried should I be?

cobalt pelican
#

new ones aren't really replacing anything

#

maybe clf falls out of favour but even that i'd go get

rigid mango
#

Everything apart from ripple/unbound force

#

Pretty much.

sinful lotus
#

So what are the major/minor essences I really can't avoid?

cobalt pelican
#

i'd aim to go get blood, conflict, clf, iris, lucid, flame

#

as a minimum

rigid mango
#

ripple and unbound force

#

Are the only u don't need

#

You want all of the rest/will get them for free

sinful lotus
#

Ok thank you all for the answers! I really appreciate it!

shut garnet
candid jasper
#

What are people using for m+, I run echox3 shroudx3, blood (major), memory, strife, but I'm not convinced. I think I could be a little more useful playing a mix of both single target and multi target

dusky tinsel
#

thats about as good as it gets for M+ as sin

#

but it depends on the dungeon and affixes

#

like if you're doing underrot then taking Purification Protocol as a minor over strife would be a good idea

candid jasper
#

yeah, I usually end up finishing the dungeon on around 47k overall

dusky tinsel
#

since most of the mobs in there are aberrations

candid jasper
#

yeah boy! 😄

#

underrot or waycrest are great

#

I switch out strife for pp

rigid mango
#

No

dusky tinsel
#

I know the best M+ sin rogue, Seliathan, runs visions minor

rigid mango
#

They aren't.

#

A very small amount of mobs in ur are abberations

#

And PP is bad everywhere for m+ 😉

#

Same for waycrest

#

Fuckall reason to use it in either, people think there's so many more than there are

#

In ur it's just the blobs in 2nd boss room, aka lowest prio, the dicks in the ground and the pathing giants, who are both ST fights/cleave

#

Don't do that shit 😄

vast forum
#

pathing giants are actually humanoid

rigid mango
#

VoP gives better ST since it normally means you can get a 2nd vend

vast forum
#

for whatever the fuck reason

rigid mango
#

Oh even that then

#

Fucking yikes

#

Yeah PP sucks

vast forum
#

i mean

#

pp does a lot of dmg to non-aberrations too

rigid mango
#

It's not as good as strife is

#

And not as good as VoP is either

#

VoP normally gives you a second usage of vend + bote and you delay vanish to it instead of using it directly after the opening vanish

#

To essentially give you a second opener + coral in it

#

Also means you can align vend to bote through out the dungeon

still totem
#

Would you guys use Dead-eye (430 + socket) or coral 430 for m10s? Just got back and both seem to be viable in different settings. I am mega casual so no high key pushing

vast forum
#

dead-eye for casuals 100%

still totem
#

Thank you ✅

rigid mango
#

What about using both FeelsThinkingMan

dark barn
#

Vendetta before bleeds or after on opener? someone told me to garrote, rapture then vendetta and so on

tropic ocean
#

no

#

See opener

rigid mango
#

Hard to rapture as a rogue 😉

dark barn
#

rupture lol.

fair ridge
#

does anyone have a few mins to answer a few questions re mythic azshara fight as an assa rogue

rigid mango
#

Just ask away

fair ridge
#

so long to type 😦 is it okay to go on voice

dark crag
#

Bote and cns

fair ridge
#

mainly about coral stacking

dark crag
#

Stack on azshara, consume with vendetta, restack on azshara

rigid mango
#

Just use coral at end of p1/2nd hulk, on mistresses in p3, on the myrmiddon in the meanwhile and then on qa

fair ridge
#

at the mo I use in p1 (whatever doesn't rly matter), then p2 start on azshara start stacking

#

use it on the first add with all my cds again

#

after the first add dies restart stacking on azshara

rigid mango
#

Depends a bit if ur using font with it too

fair ridge
#

to pop it with hero after all adds die

#

with font and all

#

is this correct

dark crag
#

Yes

shut garnet
#

i guess the only issue with using it on azshara after the first add dies is that

#

she isnt really the prio target so like

dark crag
#

You us where your raid needs damage

shut garnet
#

you're not really stacking the coral

fair ridge
#

uptime is a little sketchy

shut garnet
#

but its fine

fair ridge
#

that was where I was a bit unsure

shut garnet
#

realistically you can just leave it on azshara sure

#

and then font hero etc at the start of p4, blow your cds on it and leave the coral ot stack

#

unless you've managed to get 9-10 stacks in it somehow

#

and you can re-pop coral during 2nd set of cds maybe?

fair ridge
#

yea that's not rly happening

shut garnet
#

cuz then you get the coral stacking whilst p4 is going on with all your other cds and aas and bullshit

fair ridge
#

need to somehow stack more on azshara during p3

shut garnet
#

and then you're pretty much stacking it for 2mins for your next vendetta font vanish etc

#

uuuuuuuuuh afaik you're only meant to multidot the boss during p3

#

as adds and myrmidons needs killing

fair ridge
#

yeah that's my issue

shut garnet
#

depending on how hard you're allowed to pad i suppose you can ask your rl?

#

is this a progression fight or you trying to improve parse?

fair ridge
#

improving parse

shut garnet
#

i think the way you giga improve your parse on that fight is managing multidotting properly

#

coral usage really is kinda sketchy

#

like

#

idk

fair ridge
#

it is..

dark crag
#

And getting buff from console with instant rezz after death

shut garnet
#

i dont think mega optimising it will be parse breaking

dark crag
#

And getting it again

shut garnet
#

how many coral stacks do you usually get on azshara at the start of p4

#

through just leaving the coral on her all the way through p3?

#

like 4-5?

fair ridge
#

4-5

#

generally

dark crag
#

My raid still plays with dmg stop in p1 so we will never properly parse

fair ridge
#

yeah we do that too

shut garnet
#

yeah imo you should just leave it to that, make sure you're multidotting properly and pop second sets of cds with coral rather than first set in part4

#

assuming you get a 2nd set of cds

#

right?

fair ridge
#

yeah

hushed maple
#

dont know Zaquls helmet kinda scks for me

fair ridge
#

I use all cds in p1, then start of p2, then on the first add, then start of p4

hushed maple
#

still DD and NP

shut garnet
#

did you try simming that np on the helm next to the loyal @hushed maple

dark crag
#

I use cds with the devoted to blast bote into them

shut garnet
#

nvm i can see it

fair ridge
#

I don't rly pad on the devoted at all

#

but I will be padding

shut garnet
#

your bigger problems are lack of benthic tbh, and the fact that u already have a np on the shoulders

#

i dont get how 2np sims higher than 2loyal tho Sinscheme

dark crag
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Coral on azshara once she spawns p2, font directly when ready and cds when devoted reach mid

shut garnet
hushed maple
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yes

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my guild doesnt use that

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they are pepega useless

shut garnet
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not a single person?

hushed maple
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no

shut garnet
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have you tried telling them theyre Pepega?

hushed maple
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they all straight up go for guide traits

dark crag
hushed maple
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and thats why I dont sim for that ^^

shut garnet
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well id try to convince them to play it

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loyal is nuts^^

hushed maple
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meh

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content is over

shut garnet
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i guess

hushed maple
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with 2x allies

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still DD NP

outer lotus
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Looking at your logs atleast on 1st december 2 Frost mages used loyal to the end

rancid bobcat
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Are you putting in other gear that doesn't have mastery on it

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Mastery is my lowest stat weight atm (though the range is like 5.7-6) with only 1 loyal

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It's not like NP damage is bad though

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Like I think if 3x DD/NP/OP pieces were available we'd probably use those

candid jasper
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So speaking of mythic waycrest... did we resolve whether purification protocol is worth it?

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vs, let's say strife

still totem
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It wasn’t worth it

rigid mango
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PP isn't used in m+ if you have strife

outer lotus
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If pp isnt worth in other dungeons its not worth in waycrest either. Like i said, there are like 3 aberrations

shy axle
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amount of mobs that make it worth to spamm fok over finisher with 2 Eb was 5 wasn`t it?

rigid mango
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8 last time fuu did the sims iirc.

shy axle
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ah good to know, thanks

rigid mango
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But I'm also not entirely sure what traits that was done with

crimson salmon
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thoughts?

vestal wren
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42k is low for current standards

crimson salmon
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oh i know--i just got my 430 dagger three nights ago

urban junco
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Do you not have lucid?

crimson salmon
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rank 1--im about 5 min from rank 2

urban junco
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Ah

crimson salmon
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i just started back in the game like 8 weeks ago--found this discord about 2 weeks

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i have been using the guides here a ton

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last time i played was like 2014

strange python
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Rank 2 doesnt make a DPS difference.

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Pretty Sure Rank 1 should be better than cof, did U Sim that?

lone junco
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lol heroic font and coral in the past few weeks. I still have neither on my main.

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fun game

urban junco
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Hoping for Azshara to drop a mythic font on Tues. Bunch of us still need one going into next tier at that ilvl.

royal lantern
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"cries in 430 no socket font"

real bay
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no socket fonts, is all i have XD

terse orchid
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You guys have font?

void narwhal
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/wa

rigid mango
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hushed maple
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when I play Sin in dungeons

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is CT my cp dump?

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or only use it, when not buffe

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d

rigid mango
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It's a normal bleed

hushed maple
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alright

quasi pewter
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just use hb

shy axle
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would you use 3 SS/2Eb/1 TK or 3 SS 1 Eb 1 bbi 1 TK for Tos this week?

rigid mango
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First one

shy axle
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ok thanks

pure flame
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what is the best usage of Blood of the enemy in aoe as Assa (like how should be my aoe opener)

cobalt pelican
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pin

pure flame
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ohh found it thanks

vapid delta
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
dusky moon
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M+ question: is there any way to avoid 1-shot on 1st boss in TD when it burrows on you?

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assuming CD is on cooldown because that's 2nd time

rigid mango
ashen solar
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!m+

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!M+

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!spec

prisma monolithBOT
harsh sphinx
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ah, that's diff. usually it's "hey check out my twitch clip / youtube"

rigid mango
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Feel free to link logs

lone mirage
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Hi guys

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I dont have strife on my rogue and i ask myself of bote major + lucid and purification minor was good ?

rigid mango
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PP or VoP

lone mirage
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? I dont understand ^^( not english)

rigid mango
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PP or visions of perfection

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the latter is better

lone mirage
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O okay thanks

crimson salmon
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!help

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!M+

rigid mango
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Sup

crimson salmon
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!abb

prisma monolithBOT
honest needle
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Is it true on ptr u can skip quest chain for cloak on alts ?

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Is it gonna be alt friendly

drifting cloud
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you can skip some of it.

rigid mango
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Day I cba asking you everytime you come here

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to go to wow gen and no assa

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Please.

honest needle
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cba ?

rigid mango
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Can't be arsed.

plain moon
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On azshara if I have to click the console am i supposed to cloak then click or click then cloak

cobalt pelican
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click cloak

plain moon
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in the second round of clicks is it possible to get all 4 then cloak or is it too scary and just get a pally or something to get the last one

hushed maple
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damn

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you know shit is real, when you have to make a whole webpage for abbreviations

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lmao

rigid mango
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Feels like most of them are self explanatory aslong as they have context.

rancid bobcat
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the debuff shows up randomly so just feint then click and cloak when it shows up

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you should be getting healed while clicking anyway

vagrant tapir
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cba is pretty common also

sand gust
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hello i was looking at the warcraft parsing assasination rogues and they all use lucid is there any info that its easier to get essences in the upcoming patch or still the amount needed to grind

robust gull
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The follower experience requirements for Ranks 2 and 3 of Memory of Lucid Dreams have been reduced from 3,000/6,000 to 2,400/4,800.

sand gust
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oh thank u thank u nitrogen

civic forge
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so a 16 day grind compared to a 20 day grind

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nice bone i guess

rancid bobcat
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less if you get bark

civic forge
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what is bark?

rancid bobcat
green tide
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I just farmed up to r3 before the new tier, it's not that bad tbh. Did it twice only thing

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Though

sudden trench
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What's the thoughts on mechagnomes for rogue, I dont think you can really beat NF. But was wondering

arctic walrus
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For m+ sin? Yeah probably nothing will beat out a nigh elf. However it's all very marginal

sudden trench
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Ye figured, just wondering about opinions :)

jagged yoke
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is crimson tempest used in m+ ?

arctic walrus
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Outside of kr and stuff like siege, yes

storm lodge
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so as per blood mallet - come 8.3, we'll be running lucid dreams major, worldvein (3) + crucible minor?

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(until we get the new essence)

quasi pewter
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no

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if we use worldvein, it would be as major, but seeing as according to their sims its not a significant increase to blood or clf i doubt it will see use

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minor is still same simbait as before and its included in the major

storm lodge
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oh what do you mean by simbait?

cerulean siren
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Hello all! Quick question. The food/drink Tistle Tea, is it no longer available in the current retail WoW?

storm lodge
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just that it sims high but isnt good in practice?

quasi pewter
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it assumes you and the 3 allies standing still in one spot

storm lodge
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ah!

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and we wont stack for half the mechanics

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thats true

quasi pewter
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its not as good as it sims in any real raid situation

storm lodge
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didnt think about that

quasi pewter
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most likely will see same essences as before until we have new ones

storm lodge
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what about crucible minor?

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just clarifying - by same as before, you mean including clf major? or just the minor essences?

quasi pewter
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clf or blood major

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same minors

storm lodge
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why does lucid dreams major sim so high?

quasi pewter
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propably blood only now

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mainly because the minor is so good

storm lodge
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its simming almost 1k more than BTE major

chilly granite
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Cause the major takes into account the minor aswell.

storm lodge
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ah i see

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whats the optimal time to use BTE in single target?

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1.5 min seems annoyingly out of sync with the 2 min cds

quasi pewter
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with vendetta

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every time

storm lodge
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i see

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vendetta > bte > tb ?

quasi pewter
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in opener after tb

storm lodge
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ah

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after tb kk

quasi pewter
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bote>tb

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so you use tb first

storm lodge
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random q - not assassination but rogue specific, so apologies if this is the wrong channel - i'm watching the method video on horrific visions and he was saying that for the very first vision, just go to the disciple and kill it because we don't have any means of resisiting sanity loss yet... has anyone done it on the PTR and can rogues stealth to the disciple ?

modest tendon
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Can’t answer question but first few runs you should defo play safe, failing to kill the end boss will put you behind for the rest of the patch pretty much

storm lodge
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ah kk..is there a rogue+spec guide for soloing the visions? or is it too early to ask?

modest tendon
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Too early I believe

exotic rose
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Hey guys, Azshara mythic, can I cloak and immune the console dot?

rigid coral
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As outlaw you can get 2 bonus chests on your second vision but haven't tried it as assa yet

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I assume it is just as easy since the route just uses stealth

storm lodge
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oh thats intereesting...i guess i'll hold off on the visions until the later part of the week until theres more info heh..esp if messing up a vision puts you behind permanently

rigid coral
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Yeh If you are going for bonus chests it is something you should practice first on ptr

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Took me 1 or 2 tries to get it working

storm lodge
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they're soloable as rogues? outlaw or sin? no need to look for a group right?

young portal
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@exotic rose yes, just make sure you cloak after you've finished clicking

rigid coral
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Yeh I solo'd mine

storm lodge
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ooh kk!

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the practice part is mainly to learn/get used to the mob abilities?

rigid coral
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Mob abilities and route

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When I am home I will upload the stormwind route

storm lodge
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oh awesome! ty!

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(just to be safe, i'll do it on an alt first lol)

distant lava
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@exotic rose yes, you cloak when you get the debuff

exotic rose
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thanks

strange python
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Guys for Toxic blade / Envenom ST how many energy pool? around 70-80?

shut garnet
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110-120

dire spoke
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you should fit three env into it if crit doesnt absolutely cuck you

strange python
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What if my rup needs to be renewed in toxic debuff? I renew or just env?

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Rup/garrote

dire spoke
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You refresh rupture before or after as long as it doesnt drop. Garrote provides a CP and can be used if your mut only gets you 3CP

strange python
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Sometimes using toxic on CD, I use 1-2 env and need to renew rup at end of toxic

dire spoke
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It's not bad when your rupture ticks down to 1s uptime to fit a third env instead of making use of the pandemic window

tropic ocean
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@strange python always at least 2 envenom into tb

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otherwise you play something very wrong

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even without energy when u press tb u can fit 2 envenom

strange python
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@tropic ocean aways I can use 3 finish in TB, but sometimes I need renew my rup in toxic blade widow

tropic ocean
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you should renew your rupture before toxic blade

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or just barely after

strange python
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TB its 9 sec, and if rup its not in pandemic widow?

tropic ocean
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its all about planning ahead

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yeah but you know when your tb will come off cooldown

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so you either refresh rupture before