assassination

[stuck knoll]

@strange python no

[ashen solar]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[wide delta]

if we didnt kill first boss in mythic

and i leave

will my ID be gone?

[arctic walrus]

no you're fine

[late mesa]

Do crimson tempest bleeds proc venomous wounds?

[arctic walrus]

No

[tropic ocean]

@odd drum sim refreshs during tb so dont worry about it

[rigid mango]

It aint optimal though.

[tropic ocean]

it aint optimal to worry about things too much instead of just doing it so just press tb on cd and refresh dots inside pandemic no matter if tb is up or not

[rigid mango]

I mean, it is optimal to play correctly

Sin isn't hard

[tropic ocean]

.> than refreshing dots outside of pandemic

[rigid mango]

Might aswell do it correctly.

yeah but in this case it was optimal to do so 😄

[ornate gazelle]

Zine why are you always so insufferable lol

Lighten up and be friendlier xD

[rigid mango]

Because I can't be agressive about stupidity so instead I'm passive agressive.

Especially when people say wrong stuff.

[arctic walrus]

Who cares about being friendly when you can be correct

[rigid mango]

Also saying I'm "always" insufferable is a sweeping statement and a half.

[ornate gazelle]

I think being friendly to people asking questions and having discussions from varying levels experiences with rogue in a rogue community discord is a good thing

[rigid mango]

I am friendly, but when someone I know as an active member says something that's blatantly incorrect I don't feel the need to.

[lost horizon]

Exsang is better than tb

[ornate gazelle]

Maybe it’s just me, but I don’t see how someone being wrong about something needs to be met with passive-aggressiveness.

[rigid mango]

I helped the guy, he then pings him telling him essentially what i said is incorrect

Soo, idk.

[vast forum]

@lost horizon have you tried venom rush tho? that thing BLASTS

[lost horizon]

Wooooaaahhh

[tropic ocean]

@ornate gazelle wdym discussion

Sin chan is about cultist preach and changing opinion whenever needed

[ashen solar]

"just press buttons until it works" is what I got out of what you said earlier

that's not exactly good advice

[tropic ocean]

Mh? Sin is way less complicated than often people try to make it when coming up with questions

[ashen solar]

fair point

[tropic ocean]

like if u follow the simple things; tb on cd dots always up/refresh in pandemic

U‘ll do blast dps (just like sim does)

[pure moth]

Is there a WA that tracks when pandemic is up or elaborate planning. Rather than looking at buff bars

I rather a button show up somewhere

[tropic ocean]

plenty

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[tropic ocean]

Choose from whichever u like

[pure moth]

Thanks. Ill check them out when i get home tonight.

[lapis adder]

How important is tracking elaborate planning. Or like, do you play around it? I've been trying to pool some energy before actually pressing Envenom so I can double Mut with Double Dose.

[arctic walrus]

Focus more on envenom over elaborate planning

In moments of high haste though, you should play around ep over envenom because the duration is less

Things like zaqul delirium and lust

[vast forum]

playing around EP is probably a smaller dps increase than normal variance in sims, but obviously it's something you CAN play around for some gains

[strange python]

Blood and crit dmg increase corrupted gear seem to be the way to go?

[rigid mango]

Can't know for sure until we get the sims.

[fallow otter]

Anyone else got unnat boots for post benthic?

425 socket should be ok for a bit

[arctic walrus]

Or anything 445+

[subtle dust]

what does refresh dots in pandemic mean? i've been seeing this phrase dropped here

[tropic ocean]

It means that u refresh your garrote when it has 5.4 or less seconds remaining and your rupture when it has 7.2 or less seconds remaining

so the remaining dot duration gets added ontop of the new one

[subtle dust]

ah cheers. i just didnt know it had a name

[tropic ocean]

@subtle dust heres a full explanation if you are interested

https://wowwiki.fandom.com/wiki/Pandemic

(except its 30% of the duration nowadays)

[jaunty arrow]

quick question is worth to have 2x gutripper or 1 gr 1 ew? on m+

[quasi pewter]

ew elemental whirl?

pretty sure its better than gutripper

[jaunty arrow]

i am not sure

1 gutripper seems good, but 2 i guess meh

[ember rover]

EW is better than gut ripper in almost every scenario.

The only way gutripper is better is if boss takes extra damage when sub 30%

[heady talon]

When opening on a larger trash pack in m+, is it better to waste combo points and get a ss garotte on as many mobs as possible? When using 3x SS and Subterfuge

[arctic walrus]

apply garrote to 3 different targets (overcapping is fine) then rupture

the 4 bleeds will give you enough energy to go into fok/env spam

after garrotes fall of prioritize reapplying ruptures > garrotes

[heady talon]

Ok great that's what I've been doing, was just worried about the overcapping of CPs

Thanks! 🙂

[burnt dome]

Whats this vision minor + 1x NP thing I've been hearing about 😮

[arctic walrus]

You've been hearing wrong things

[scarlet urchin]

how worth is it to reapply a garrote mid pack? is there like a set time the mob has to live for for the garrote to be worth it?

[arctic walrus]

I think it's a bit feelycrafty, but I'm guessing maybe around 3 targets you stop going for garrotes and opt for ruptures instead, and keep garrote up on the main target

but yeah ideally you'd want the garrote to last for the whole duration, because unlike rupture, you aren't refunded anything for a death

[scarlet urchin]

makes sense, I've pretty much only been reapplying garrotes in situations where there's one mob that is likely to live longer / higher hp than the others etc (unless I use vanish for new SS garrotes)

I play way too feelcrafty sometimes I think, though

[arctic walrus]

2 targets probably keep garrote up, because you can have full uptime, but once you introduce 3, then 1 target will have to go garrote-less

eh especially in m+ that can happen more often than not

[lone junco]

@scarlet urchin the bleeds are used for energy return. Non SS garrotes are not worth doing when you can get out ruptures.

[vapid grail]

double stack shrouded suff or nothing personal? mainly for arena.

[arctic walrus]

#pvp might have an answer

[jaunty ginkgo]

Should I ever hold envenom/rupture for EP uptime?

[arctic walrus]

You focus more on envenom uptime rather than ep uptime

[bright tusk]

Where should I look for a good assa arena guide? Mainly 2's

[young portal]

@bright tusk check pins in #pvp

[shut garnet]

are these okish statweights for the CT build in m+

or should i get some more crit, to like 40%

[arctic walrus]

how many ebs do you have

[shut garnet]

well..

1

[arctic walrus]

So it's safe to stack mastery until you get 2-3 eb

so yeah 35 crit is good

[hushed maple]

Guys I need major help rn

I joined an HC Azshara fight

and I could do NOTHING but my Fan of Knives

and my crucible of Flames

[cobalt pelican]

put on a dagger

[hushed maple]

I have 2

[cobalt pelican]

are you sure

because those are the signs of someone with either no weapons

or not 2 daggers

[hushed maple]

https://gyazo.com/1f169565d5bf3291f266348142c9cecb

yes I am sure

[cobalt pelican]

repair them

take them off and put them back on

wave your magic wand

[hushed maple]

yo lmao...

I hearthstoned out

after the kill

everything just works fine now

and I changed nothing

rip my warcraft logs I guess

lmao

[tropic ocean]

Sometimes pressing alt helps too

😉

[strange python]

do you ever envenom on 3 CP?

[arctic walrus]

nope

[hushed maple]

why pressing alt?

[hazy canyon]

Alt-f4 fixes everything

[strange python]

also how do you know the mob threshold for when to spam fans/how many ruptures to put out etc with 1/2/3 EB?

[tropic ocean]

@hushed maple idk but some key strole combo or smth interacts with action bars

Pressing alt fixes it

[arctic walrus]

You always want 4 bleeds out. Target count is I think 4/5/6 with 3/2/1 traits respectively

[worn cloak]

there is a weird bug currently in WoW where modifiers can be down, but aren't and even pressing your modifiers will not unlock them

but alt-tab and back in does

blizzard .-.

it will also brick any macros that use [nomod]

[strange python]

ah okay, so for example with CDs on 6 mobs and 1x EB you'd 3x garrote, vanish, 3x garrote, vendetta, envenom, bote, fan spam?

[tropic ocean]

Usually u 3x garrote rupture

spam eb

Vanish more garrotes after first run out

[strange python]

when do you vendetta then? before coming out of invis?

[tropic ocean]

If u use crimson u 3 garrote rupture fok crimson bote spam fok

Vendetta in pack on prio target

After fok spam is what I do

like 3x garrote rupture fok ct bote fok until bote over, vendetta tb and pump prio target

[marble hemlock]

i mean, if theres a prio target you wanna pummel it with envenoms during bote 🙂

[strange python]

what situations do you run crimson tempest? been following the guide and it only really mentions poison bomb

[marble hemlock]

so g1 g2 g3 ct fok rup vend tb bote fok/env spam

without ct g1 g2 g3 r1 fok vend tb bote env fok/env repeat

[strange python]

I'll try that, thanks a lot guys!

[tropic ocean]

@marble hemlock need to compete overall!!!

@strange python ct is good for fortified especially for aoe dmg

And for trash heavy dungeons

[shut garnet]

i think seli has a list on his stream

like a command

not sure tho

[tropic ocean]

If you dont wanna bother with it poison bomb is good for everything without thinking though

[strange python]

is it a significant ST dps loss or?

[stuck knoll]

Well you don't use CT on ST

[strange python]

aah I see

[tropic ocean]

well idk if significant

[strange python]

is the guide linked at the top of this discord outdated then or is it just very basic?

[tropic ocean]

Maybe few% less on st compared to poison bomb

[arctic walrus]

go to wowhead or icy veins for more indepth

[stuck knoll]

Icy veins recently got done up by our very own @marble hemlock

So there's plenty of info there

[tropic ocean]

It wont make or break a key if u use poison bomb or ct

[arctic walrus]

Tisu helped*

[tropic ocean]

ct more overall poison bomb more boss

[strange python]

so you maintain CT on 2+ targets? it's not mentioned on IV either from what I can tell

[tropic ocean]

yes

[shut garnet]

i think you dont press the button unless its 4+ targets lol

if you have any envenoms

that is

i think(?)

[tropic ocean]

I use it always on 2+ its higher dmg than envenom on 2+ but might be wrong here as I cant login 😂

[marble hemlock]

tisu did more than just help @arctic walrus 🙂

[stuck knoll]

Noted

Gotta give everyone the right credit

@gusty kestrel

[marble hemlock]

@gusty kestrel ❤️

[sour wraith]

So for the m+ openers, why is it only 5x FoK instead of casting until BoTE ends?

[soft shale]

you want to use fok on the crit dmg portion afterwards it's not as good

[marble hemlock]

its still by far the highest dpe of any ability you can cast each GCD

[vast forum]

first 4 globals in bote you have increased crit dmg buff

[peak mortar]

i have some dubts about my gear anyone can help me to make more dmg on single target, i try to make a well buildd for make big dmg on aoe and enough dmg on single, but now on single my gear suck it, thanks a lot for help
my raidbots: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eCsk7x2oUwy4T1teRvtkfC

[arctic walrus]

Sorry what's this for again?

There is no build that can give you a middle ground between aoe and single target

[hushed maple]

How to use Colf?

or clf

[arctic walrus]

before vendetta

[hushed maple]

I just got it on rank 3

[rigid mango]

[hushed maple]

yeah I did check but overread it I guess

thanks anyway, tho

[rigid mango]

There's a small opener guide in there too 😄

[tall narwhal]

guys i play mostly outlaw, but id like to try out assassination in raids

where do i start on wrapping my head around playing assa ?

😐

[cobalt pelican]

read one of the detailed guides

and then play a bunch

[rigid mango]

Read the icyveins guide

[tall narwhal]

thanks

ill go read right now

[rigid mango]

Ask questions if you're confused here

[tall narwhal]

[hushed maple]

I just gave my Radiance chest another go

its shitty :C

raidbots sais its damn huge

[rigid mango]

Chest from radiance?

[hushed maple]

well you know azerite

ttk and loyal

raidbots sais its pepega

my dps meter says its big yikes

[rigid mango]

Because you don't have enough loyals?

That's also a horrible way to make a comparison

Since it's the epitome of anecdotal

[tall narwhal]

hmm guys

so for Assa raid

Circlet from m+ azerite is fine

yes ?

Gorak Tul shoulders also

[cobalt pelican]

goraks yes

circlet uhh

not really but if you have nothing else i guess

[tall narwhal]

whats bis ?

[idle ember]

sim?

[tall narwhal]

chest slot - cephalohide jacket or venture co ? (these i have)

[cobalt pelican]

goraks/zaqul -> pvp -> radiance -> tent probably

ceph

just sim top gear it's much easier than guessing

[tall narwhal]

ok

[vast forum]

fish chest > pvp > cephalo

radiance drops shoulder

[rigid mango]

Cepha is great if you have no loyals

[vast forum]

pvp chest is the same as cepha but has RP

[tall narwhal]

ok thanks

clf major / lucid + iris minor ?

[rigid mango]

Yep

Bote is better for some fights like the last 2 this tier

Strife replaces iris for some fights that are multitarget

[tall narwhal]

ehh i have to grind bote then

._.

as outlaw ive just been screwing around with iris as major in m+

but htanks a lot guys

yikers

i sim 46k patchwerk with ilvl 441 😄

[hushed maple]

@rigid mango I actually sim with 0 loyal Allies

and it comes out better

but in practical use, I do so much less dmg

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/f2sZebsz9XVSnAVxsqdp1D

[vast forum]

what exactly are you simming for tho?

full single target not in nazjatar

[hushed maple]

I dont have benthic gear

so it doesnt matter

[rigid mango]

I mean regardless of what you sim

Saying you're doing less on meters is anecdotal

[hushed maple]

hows that?

[rigid mango]

Because there's so many more factors?

[hushed maple]

well yes

I also do less dmg on a dummy

[rigid mango]

Aaand?

[vast forum]

means your rotation is wrong 🙂

[rigid mango]

I mean not even that

[hushed maple]

why would my rotation change by exchanging DD and NP for TTK and Loyal

that makes 0 sense

[vast forum]

"i sim higher with this but i do less dmg in practice" doesn't work on single target

[rigid mango]

You're just saying it feels worse

When it's better

[hushed maple]

it is worse

[rigid mango]

It's feelcraft

[hushed maple]

it jusnt doesnt feel worse

it is worse

[rigid mango]

LOL

It's not.

[hushed maple]

I do 2k less DPS

with Loyal, TTk

in practical use

[vast forum]

"i do"

vs "it's worse"

[rigid mango]

And was it

[hushed maple]

even tho I am making use of my Envenom buff

[rigid mango]

Exact same

Or what

Same crit rng

Ssme everything

Lucid procs

[hushed maple]

well ofc its not the same crit rng

[vast forum]

i mean, there's a good reason why ALL of the top logs use ttk/loyal 🤷‍♀️

[rigid mango]

Nah exactly

[hushed maple]

well cause it sims higher obv

[rigid mango]

Because it's better, yeah.

[vast forum]

but if they used your gear they would "be better in practice"?

[hushed maple]

I don't know if they were

[rigid mango]

It's hard for ttk and loyal not to be good in practice

You're just feelcrafting

[hushed maple]

well ofc it is hard to be bad

its not bad

but its worse for me for some reason

But I actually tend to get alot out of DD, tho

[rigid mango]

I give up

Pick whatever you want

Wont matter for you

Worse options are better for you so just like, never use raidbots or anything like it again

They just give you wrong info ig.

[hushed maple]

I don't mean, that they give me wrong info

Raidbots works perfectly fine

but I don't know, what I am actually doing wrong

I am pooling Energy for my TB windows etc

[rigid mango]

Logs?

[hushed maple]

I dont override my Envenom without me having to cap energy if I do so

[buoyant hawk]

Link a log

[hushed maple]

I dont run logs on my own sadly

[rigid mango]

And just comparing dummy damage and saying it's not anecdotal info when you can't see the diff

[hushed maple]

People in my Guild usually link that

[rigid mango]

Since the only logs yoy have are

[buoyant hawk]

You should be able to get them still

[hushed maple]

But my guild is mega casual and they actually forbid logs in my guild now lmao

[rigid mango]

Green and grey log on mythic

I assume you don't know hiw to play

[hushed maple]

I didnt check my mythic logs actually

[rigid mango]

Or you died, I guess.

Hc logs are all blue

Like, idk.

I hate wcl on phone so I wont check them but

[hushed maple]

damn if you could see my guild do mythic

you would puke in a massive beam

they mess up alot

[vast forum]

<35k on heroic first boss

on your best log

[rigid mango]

These logs are bad and so odds are you fuckup your rotation

A lot.

[hushed maple]

I dont know

will be like that probably

[vast forum]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/3xDNMPGbjqpRkz2f#fight=4&view=timeline&type=casts&source=11

[hushed maple]

I dont know how to "read" logs, tho

[vast forum]

mut-rup-gar opener

followed by vanish into double muti

[hushed maple]

damn that log is old

didnt use Boon for a damn while

[vast forum]

sorry i just looked at your best one

[rigid mango]

All I'm saying is

[hushed maple]

How can I improve my Opener, then

isnt it right to do rupture after I crit with mut?

O.o

[rigid mango]

Read the guide(s)

Seems like a good start

[vast forum]

yes, but since you have MA buff

you mut again

and then garrote

[rigid mango]

I made a basic opener guide in the pins

Read that.

Go to icyveins, read that.

[vast forum]

sometimes over 30 sec between TBs

[hushed maple]

well that can be, because I had to play a mechanic

[stuck knoll]

Not in your opener

[vast forum]

i think it's just important that you understand that "this is worse in practice" doesn't mean the same thing as "i do worse with this"

[stuck knoll]

No boss has an insta mechanic

[hushed maple]

well I dont do my first tb 30sec into the fight, tho

lmao

[vast forum]

there are no mechanics that delay your TB for >5 sec while allowing you to cast other abilities

if i saw empty casts, i'd agree with you

but you using muti 4+ times while your TB is off CD isn't a mechanic

[hushed maple]

well yeah if I did cast other stuff in that time

I am dumb then

[cobalt pelican]

regardless of play it's basically impossible to quantify item vs item value from like

bosses or target dummys

unless you have a lot of time

like

a looooot of time

and some way to record the data you get

[rigid mango]

Play perfectly and redo that thousands of time then you can get actual in game data.

Or just, you know, rely on raidbots

Works fine too.

[hushed maple]

I will just practice more, I guess

well and use raidbots ofc

I try to do less feelcraft

Thanks for helping me out, tho

[rigid mango]

Get some fresh logs

[hushed maple]

Yeah I will install the Programm, I think

[rigid mango]

Log unlisted

[hushed maple]

Because my guild seriously banned logs from our guild

[rigid mango]

Yah but

[hushed maple]

because 2 people wanted to quit raiding because of bad logs lmao

[rigid mango]

Log unlisted and it'd like they're private but you can link them and we can see them.

But you can't see them unless you have a link

[hushed maple]

Yeah that will be good, I guess

even tho my stats cant get worse than they are atm

so uploading them public might be better

^^

[strange python]

But wouldn't the people that are angry about their Gray parses be angry again then?

[hushed maple]

well I dont know

They are strange anyway

I started WoW again 4 weeks ago

I was happy to get into a guild for now

[tall narwhal]

how important it is to get font trinket for assa ?

[rigid mango]

It's very good

[hushed maple]

If I want to upload my current log, do I stop or just go "view Report"? I remember that I had issues back in 8.1, where I wasn't able to upload

[rigid mango]

#wow-general 😄

[hushed maple]

sry

[tall narwhal]

from what i have available, sim tells me that coral + ink is still the best option

[arctic walrus]

what ilvls are you comparing

[tall narwhal]

430

but wait

no no

i dont have font,

[arctic walrus]

so you're doing a gear compare?

are you sure you have the right slot selected

[tall narwhal]

these are the trinkets that i have in my inv

[rigid mango]

Coral + ink for raid

[tall narwhal]

thanks

[tropic ocean]

@hushed maple you need to go to a dummy and spend some time practicing your rotation from available logs no guild/mechanic issue but just playing incorrect - after a while you have everything set in your muscle memory and will just auto pilot press your spells while doing mechanics and barely lose dps from most of them

[soft shale]

also get a font/lurker to doble dip with coral on vendetta

[tall narwhal]

lurker ?

[rigid mango]

Old trinket

Not worth using unless forge

[tall narwhal]

aah

[rigid mango]

It's from crucible

And doesn't work as well with coral as font does

[tall narwhal]

right

i see

i just went to pug hc to practice as assa

boy am i terrible

switch from outlaw is kinda strange to make

[raw lotus]

Trying to maximize my damage on mythic queen.. Siming some random combos.. Anyone know why font sims so bad?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eU1C6wW4BV1GfqqFmzaTNw

[tropic ocean]

Idk but font is giga for queen

[drifting cloud]

I mean you have 450 socket spyglass lol

and you did a 10min sim for no reason

[raw lotus]

queen is a 10min fight

[tropic ocean]

Besides that dot uptime as much as possible on both adds, queen,myrmidon and add

[rigid mango]

Use strife over iris and usd font + coral

[drifting cloud]

yeah queen is a 10min fight in which you dont hit her at all for 4minutes

[tropic ocean]

Dps will also improve when ur guild has enough dmg to skip 2nd hulk

[drifting cloud]

stop trying to overthink things

[raw lotus]

Is there something i can put in sim to have it pre cast font in sim?

[tropic ocean]

Is haste really ur best stat?

[cobalt pelican]

it precasts by default and has for a long time

[tropic ocean]

Like i dont use iris i dont have 3 op and haste is bad for me but u got so much of it socketed 🤔

[raw lotus]

Yeah.. ill sim gems and see if i need to change any

currently at 24% haste standing in town

[tropic ocean]

sim gems and see

seems like overkill haste

[arctic walrus]

you don't sim to replicate a fight perfectly

Oops discord never scrolls down all the way

[rigid mango]

Only one I'd do it on is orgo

Bec it's so simple

[raw lotus]

Thats fair

Siming for gems takes a decade..

[raw lotus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cC6rzqU5XSvdStKRnLTtqr

3 years later, my gems are fine

[urban merlin]

New Assasination rogue player here looking looking for help on openers and what do on heavy packs

looking at the icy veins guide and it seems a bit confusing so if anyone here that knows the class well and can condense it would be great

[rigid mango]

Openers are in pins

[urban merlin]

Hm why is poison bomb so much preffered over crimson tempest?

Isnt the random chance worse than crimson at least guarantted to proc and it seems to have higher damage at 5 CP

[rigid mango]

For what, raid?

CT does less than other finishes on single target

[white wyvern]

Poison Bomb doesn't change anything about rotation. Every time you use Crimson Tempest you are giving up those CPs that could be spent elsewhere.

[rigid mango]

CT is good for m+ though.

[urban merlin]

M+

I hate raiding and prefer to push keys instead

[lapis adder]

Is Assassination even worth using in M+? I thought Outlaw was better in every way.

[urban merlin]

Outlaw is good but assasin is also good

also I hate the blade flurry downtimes when its on CD it feels awful and I see the fire mage next to me catch up in dps or just outdps me after my blade flurry stacks are gone

[civic palm]

Realistically if you're not doing high enough keys to realize which one is better for yourself and your composition it likely won't matter which you pick.

So long it's not Subtlety

[urban merlin]

Well im only 2k io atm so Im still experimenting

[civic palm]

Heck yeah, keep it up.

[urban merlin]

but im starting to dislike the rng aspect of outlaw and want to go the more high sustain damage of assasin

[civic palm]

That is an important consideration.

[cobalt pelican]

i play both specs in m+, we're kinda blessed to be able to respec to spice up gameplay and still be s tier

[urban merlin]

whos a really good assasin rogue on yt?

Im not watching dalaran gaming that guy is a massive streamer trap

[rigid mango]

Incarnated on twitch

Aka seliathan

[drifting cloud]

or morningbryg

[urban merlin]

do they have a video guide?

[true nexus]

if you go on the top assassination rio u can find who streams in each run

a lot of the top top rogues stream their runs

[urban merlin]

The guide has too much info for me to use at once and I learn better by watching people actually do it

[drifting cloud]

then watch twitch vods

nobody does video guides to make 4$ on youtube tbh

[urban merlin]

hm, maybe I should just level up another rogue from scratch and play strictly assasin

thats how I learned outlaw

[drifting cloud]

thats pretty pointless

10mins on a dummy at max level is worth more than whole lvling process

[urban merlin]

well atm im having trouble with what to do on packs

And my rotation on ST

[rigid mango]

Seli made the guide for icyveins and is a community figure here

He also streams daily-ish

It's your best bet most likely.

[marble hemlock]

He also streams daily-ish

[strange python]

And answers stuff extensively there

[marble hemlock]

dont believe his lies

but yes

if youre eager to learn

just tune in to one of the assa rogue m+ streamers

we're always happy to talk to people asking us questions ❤️

[rigid mango]

Hey man I said ish

[marble hemlock]

its the reason why i stream, and im sure morning too

i love talking everything assarogue

i went through some of the thought process of how i play packs

during a key today

not sure if its coherent

to me it was 😄

but yeah, obviously the main goal is to make sure you have bleeds up to sustain a high energy flow so you can use abilities on the GCD

and you dont just wanna throw around your bleeds because you need them, but they should also serve a purpose of efficiency

i.e. if you open with 3 garrotes, pick the 3 targets that are casters and where the silence comes in handy, or the ones that have the highest health

if you apply ruptures, apply them to priority targets that also have your garrote.
or, if its just for aoe, apply them to targets that dont have garrote, that way you ensure the most even aoe dps on all targets

etc.

theres a lot of thought that goes into it, which makes the spec so fucking fun ❤️

[echo hornet]

Assa is somehow weird. 200k in packs and 30k boss dmg 🤔

[marble hemlock]

st isnt actually that bad in m+ if you run visions minor

cant compare to DH or boomy

but its on outlaw levels atleast

[rigid mango]

Do u run vop for all weeks now?

[marble hemlock]

yeah

thought id only like it on tyra

but it just makes cd management so much better

[rigid mango]

Hm, interesting

Are u still using zaq helm?

[marble hemlock]

nah

i just go full pad

with visions

only play less EB in siege/temple/kr

[urban merlin]

wow assasin seems really difficult compared to outlaw

Outlaw is just spamming RtB and blade flurry

[rigid mango]

Do u even play a single eb in kr anymore seli?

[marble hemlock]

no

[tall narwhal]

@marble hemlock are you the high rated rogue that went with my priest and 2 other friends to a tol dagor 16 or so (sadly depleted)?

(eu)

If yes, just wanted to say cheers buddy

It all fits because the rogue i have in mind played assa

And went full blaster mode

The icy veins guide you mention

Is that also assa m+?

[crude stream]

Can someone tell me how poison work? I read that we can only have one lethal and one non-lethal poison, yet I can have Crippling Poison, Leeching Poison, and Deadly Poison at the same time?

[edgy pawn]

Yes, thats really all there is to poisons

Leeching is a talent

[strange python]

someone wanna play rmp today`

?

[prisma valve]

@urban merlin assassin is way easier than outlaw, not that outlaw is hard, but assassin is probably one of, if not the easiest spec atm imo

[strange python]

for pvp or pve?

[prisma valve]

? Are you asking me

[strange python]

u said that assa is easier i asked for what pvp or pvp cause in pve they trash in my opinion

[prisma valve]

Assassin is S tier in raid and arguably as good as outlaw with the right setup in m+

They are top 4 melee spec 100%

[strange python]

k i need to correct me they not bad but not easier than outlaw in pve

[prisma valve]

Oh

Assassin is really simple

[strange python]

just the playstyle i think

🙂

[prisma valve]

At least outlaw need to consider their buffs and use bote on cd and use peocs correctly

[strange python]

du u play pvp?

@prisma valve ye

thats true

[prisma valve]

No idea about pvp

[strange python]

ah k a little sad k mate if u know somebody who can pvp and wann play whit a assa rog dm me pls

[prisma valve]

Lmao

[strange python]

lmfao

[prisma valve]

Prob just gonna find other assassin rogues here mate

Go check mage discord

[strange python]

already done xd

[crude stream]

As a nub, I like assassin, but I wish they got a grappling hook like outlaw does.

[reef mulch]

guys do i use CT on bosses in m+ or just when multiple targets?

[marble hemlock]

just on 2+ targets, and only if both targets are the same priority

i.e. if its a boss+1 add, like Waycrest last boss, you dont CT

and use the cp for envenom dmg on boss instead

[reef mulch]

Great thanks dude!

[buoyant hawk]

@marble hemlock how do u use vanish on boss fights with Vop? holding second vanish for third vendetta or just using on cd?

[marble hemlock]

holding vanish on pull

usually its on CD anyway

cause with vop you can use vanish freely on trash becuase its always gonna be ready for 2nd vendetta

[buoyant hawk]

fair, tyvm

[tall narwhal]

i dont get it 😕

what does VoP have to do with vanish

vop for assa reduced cd on vendetta

right ?

vop minor that is

[stuck knoll]

Yeah but you want to line up vend and vanish as much as possible

So when the cd of one changes you have to think about the usage of the other

[tall narwhal]

so whats the build that high level people run in m+ as assa ?

2 x ttk / 2 x ss / 2 x eb ?

i mean high rated

doing keyes like 20+

[severe sedge]

anyone know how rogues are looking for the new raid?

[rigid mango]

@tall narwhal 3 eb ss max damage

[tall narwhal]

oh

[rigid mango]

No, we don't know what rogues look like but they probably wont be bad

[tall narwhal]

but then on bosses you do kinda suffer, right

?

[rigid mango]

You can keep up with outlaws

[tall narwhal]

ok

[rigid mango]

You're not gonna outblast elly/dh/boomy

[tall narwhal]

and then on packs, especially fortified

youre gonna be blastin

right

[rigid mango]

Probably highest damage ceiling spec if you count out fmage/udk, if it isn't it's right up there.

With optimised gear, azerite included, you should be doing equal if not more than outlaws pretty consistantly for most pack sizes above 2.

[tall narwhal]

yeah with outlaw the problem is that once you run out of flurry

you flop

[rigid mango]

Yeah, ofc.

I mean sin gets big damage increases by using cd's but you're by now meand bound to anything like outlaw is flurry

[tall narwhal]

ye

i see that

i saw a stream of natelay (#1 spriest on rio score)

they played outlaw/assa/shadow, something like a 22 freehold or so

the assa rogue was doing some bonkers numbers on packs

[rigid mango]

Yeah assa is a big pumper spec in there

You can get full mongo numbers there

[fathom wyvern]

assa numbers are really strong

[tropic ocean]

@tall narwhal it means with the reduced cd on vendetta u dont need to worry about vanish usage throughout the dungeon as u will always have vanish + 2nd vendetta on boss, unless on very low keys (where boss dies very fast)

[tall narwhal]

with my gear i can get 3 eb 2 ttk 1 ss

do you think its worth trying out still ?

ah i see

ok

usually i just play outlaw with 3 x ds 1 ace build

[rigid mango]

I mean you can try it out by all means

[tropic ocean]

its not the most optimal setup but why not just go for it

[tall narwhal]

but i also have double folly

[rigid mango]

SS is v strong though

[tall narwhal]

ye i know

what azerite items allow you to get such a build tho ?

3x eb 3x ss

[rigid mango]

You're running what, irontide - frothing - cepha or smth?

[tropic ocean]

Raiment of blighted tribe, pistoleer spaulders and cowl of fluid machinitions

[rigid mango]

It's blighted tribe chest, fluid machinations helm and gold tasseled/pistoleers

[tall narwhal]

flashpower or circlet for helmets, gorak tul 435 or gold tasseled 450 shoulders

[rigid mango]

1/6 on both helm and chest slot, 1/3 for shoulders.

[tall narwhal]

and for chest i have venture co or cepha both 450

[tropic ocean]

Cepha for sure

[tall narwhal]

sadly i dont raid mythic, been trying out to get into mythic pugs hence my interesest in assa

and recently i discovered that assa can pump too in m+

[tropic ocean]

U get a very good chest from fish boss so just pug farm it

[tall narwhal]

will do thx

[tropic ocean]

I never switched from it since like 2nd id, its bis for sin raid, bis for outlaw and very decent for m+ sin too

[tall narwhal]

i see

and with such a build

doing m+

i want crit/mastery as my best stats ?

[tropic ocean]

Yes crit 35+

And as much mastery u can get

[tall narwhal]

i can only get 31 crit / 41 mastery

:}

😐

11 haste xd

outlaw is easier when it comes to gearing

as you want crit=versa both for m+ and raiding as far as im informed

[tropic ocean]

well i wouldnt say easier

One wants crit vers pieces other one crit mastery pieces 😂

[cobalt pelican]

azerite and rings are like the only annoying things to get for both specs

[tropic ocean]

crit/vers socketed isnt too bad but yeah

i still dont have 2nd socketed crit/mastery

[strange python]

so you want zero haste in ideal m+ gear or?

i have like 16% right now

[rigid mango]

Zero, yah.

[strange python]

in the pins it says that i should get ori and fathomstalker which one should i get to 420 first?

[arctic walrus]

it's ori or fathom, not ori and fathom

whichever one you get first is good enough

[strange python]

how big is the first EB trait compared to 2nd/3rd?

for m+

and is it worth dropping like 30 ilvls on an azerite to have it?

[rigid mango]

Probably not

[strange python]

So, can your character have a bugg that never gets u weapons?

im 440 ilv, 3/8 mythic, done about 30-40 M+ keys and still have a 410 and 390 weapon...

[rigid mango]

[harsh sphinx]

just get a weapon

[strange python]

true

ive farmed for 3 weeks 😄

monkaS I got shit gear but 450 and 445 socket daggers

maybe I stole your luck with weapons

maybe

but i cant believe its been 3 weeks and no dagger drops, even had groups with 3 rogues and none of them got daggers either

[pure moth]

Your luck's worse than mine. I just finally got a 445 goraks

[strange python]

im gonna do this challenge to get keystone master (all +15 keys) before i get 2 daggers.. Seem possible at this rate

hey guys im trying to figure my trinkets out, my inkpod is 415 so im unsure if i should run that vs something else like dice? I run x3 SS and x3 twist the knife (ignore the bad essence ssets up its all i have atm at R3) :)
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Rx7n9SDj93KAe7myn714t

atleast u have weapons `

😛

[rigid mango]

For what, m+?

[strange python]

~15s

if you're running low keys I'd honestly just use jar+dice

nah 15-18

[rigid mango]

Coral dice.

[strange python]

i outlaw but trying to play sin for some variety

alrighty

so the sims take into acount coral/ink synergy?

[rigid mango]

3 ss ttk sounds horrible outside of kr ish.

You don't save coral for ink as sin.

[strange python]

sadly all my SS so far have TTK as 2nd

[rigid mango]

Just use irontide and pistoleers insteae

Eb/ttk eb/ss ttk/ss

[strange python]

maybe i go x3 EB?

[rigid mango]

2/2/2 is better than that

[strange python]

for me 430 dices sim higher than 430 ink pod on single target with my current gear 😉

[rigid mango]

You have don't have an eb chest

[strange python]

those are my juicy outlaw pieces!

i cant give them up 😄

[rigid mango]

Sounds like your gear is awful paddfan

You know you can reforge, right?

[strange python]

i havent found the money cheats yet

[rigid mango]

And that it barely costs aslong as you're smart about it.

[strange python]

how would I be smart about it?

[rigid mango]

Wait for I think it's 3 days(?) for the reforge to reset

Maybe it's only 1/2

[strange python]

it goes down 1 stage per day I think

aha

so if you reforge 3 pieces you wait 3 days

[rigid mango]

Just play a spec a day.

[strange python]

ye i gotta do that 😛

[rigid mango]

And never reforge above 10 gold

[strange python]

that talents would u run with x3 eb?

i think i got enough azerites for something like x3 eb x3 DD

[harsh sphinx]

[strange python]

😛

[rigid mango]

DD and EB work against one another.

[strange python]

wouldnt it makes sense cuz u have trash and then bosses?

[rigid mango]

Nah because SS would do +- same dmg on those fight timers that m+ bosses have

[drifting cloud]

80% of the instance dd does 0 dmg

[rigid mango]

Whilst also being better for aoe

Like, the best.

[strange python]

aha

[rigid mango]

DD is probably the worst sin trait for m+.

[strange python]

hmm well i can get other stuff like scent of lodd or nothing personal

its the wierd way azerites i got are set up sadly

one NP is pretty good

[rigid mango]

Eh, outside of kr/tos/siege I wouldn't.

[strange python]

you go HB with EBs right?

[rigid mango]

Meh, CT or HB for anything not the prev mentioned dungeobs

PB in those

[strange python]

gotcha

[strange python]

if we played with CLF, do we hold the second vedetta for it or do we hold clf for third vendetta? or just use on CD?

if you use it all on pull that is

[drifting cloud]

depends on fight length

[rigid mango]

Use on cd, align if you wont get another one after the next and you can align it to a vend.

[drifting cloud]

so on a 5min fight you would hold it for 3rd vendetta

[polar cape]

as long you dont lost a use its a win to line them up

[tall narwhal]

when playing 'aoe' build in m+

should i still take vigor ?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[tall narwhal]

MFD aint the same for assa

as it is for outlaw i would guess

[rigid mango]

Nope, vigor for anything pve p much.

[tall narwhal]

oki ty

and what about minors ?

atm i can only play iris major

😦

dont have bote r3 yet

[rigid mango]

Lucid + vop/pp/strife

[tall narwhal]

oh

😮

lucid for boss dmg ?

or EB spam ?

[harsh sphinx]

lucid minor for everything. all content

[rigid mango]

Vers proc

[drifting cloud]

lucid has the vers proc

[tall narwhal]

ahh

so iris major + lucid minor + vop or pp

(dont have r3 strife :P)

[rigid mango]

Yes

[tall narwhal]

ty

[rigid mango]

VoP if u have it r3 probs.

[zinc zodiac]

quick quetion, how do u guys manage when in stamina starvation, and i find myself with no stamina all the time after using my cds.

[stuck knoll]

Basically

You’re not losing damage so long as you don’t cap cps or energy

So you just pool if you have no reason to cast anything

[zinc zodiac]

Like but with Master Plans, ain't it good to keep it up all the time, or is it simple impossible?

Ops

Elaborete planning

[tropic ocean]

You can‘t

It will naturally have 70% + uptime by just following ravenholdt.net rotation guide

Dont worry about it at all

[zinc zodiac]

ok, also that's what i'm running in raid https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/azralon/Kareél

[rigid mango]

You play near optimally by never pooling anyways

[tropic ocean]

sim your char top gear raidbots with your simc string

And just use what it tells u is ur best items

[rigid mango]

Ooft do you have garbage azerite.

[zinc zodiac]

yeah.

i was not able to get a single good piece of azerite.

just outlaw got the good ones

[rigid mango]

Myeh, raid has pretty dope pieces really.

And clf to r3 and you should be gucci

[zinc zodiac]

next week i'm with 33 reliquarys

i was using crucible of flames r3, i was testing with clf

[tropic ocean]

Maybe u can try to get into mythic pug

[rigid mango]

Zaq helm - orgo/radiance shoulders - blackwater chest gives p good azerite.

[tropic ocean]

Radiance drops 12 or so

[zinc zodiac]

the problems is being invited with this ilvl

[tropic ocean]

plan b is creating group yourself if you want to

I regularly do it on lower ilvl alts

I mean with 3 essence etc still more dmg than most had when progression started so, iirc i downed first bosses with 428 and 55 neck 😂

[hushed maple]

Oh hey guys a little question torwards Raidbots. Is raidbots actually also simulating a opener sequence variation for me?

in quick sim you can see the spell usage and I was wondering if this is my "bis opener" or if that is just the stuff raidbots is doing in general

[rigid mango]

It does the opener correctly, yes.

[zinc zodiac]

at least i killed za'quil mythic with my main which is a shaman

the fights i know pretty well

[tropic ocean]

Oh even better then

Just link them kill achiev

[zinc zodiac]

i got in one here, i killed the 2 first bosses and joined a rad group

[hushed maple]

@rigid mango so raidbots isnt simming for different openers?

[tropic ocean]

I doubt you can kill 2 and then radiance with another group tho

[rigid mango]

Idk what you mean dude

It's using the best one

[hushed maple]

nono its alright I just was curious

[rigid mango]

You understand how the apl and raidbots in general works, right?

[hushed maple]

if the rotation could be "simmed" aswell or something

[rigid mango]

It can be

But that means altering the apl

The current apl is optimised through simming options in priorities and ordering

Sin and rogue in general have some of the most well polished apls.

[hushed maple]

Yeah I guess you mean stuff like the precombat cast of Font 18secs, if you use double on use as a mage etc

[rigid mango]

I mean kinda? The current opener was found to be better when the sims were ran earlier this tier

Etc.

Ordering of essences were simmed

Etc etc.

If you think you know someway to make it betyer feel free to post 😄

[hushed maple]

Well I trust raidbots on being setup well on openers etc. As I said I was just curious, if I have to work something out or such stuff

if I don't have to, I don't mind ^^

[rigid mango]

You don't. If you generally have an issue with the actions or something similar (aka what is said in most guides), it can simply get simmed to see if it's an increase.

But odds are it's been tried.

[hushed maple]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[worthy moon]

Should I be careful of not overwriting Elaborate Planning?

[vast forum]

no

[worthy moon]

So just envenom whenever? No need to pool for TB windows any more?

[vast forum]

pool for T

TB

no need to play around EP

[worthy moon]

Okay, cool, kept trying to time it to refresh at the last second

[vast forum]

it's still a gain to envenom last millisec of EP, but it's VERY VERY minor

if you're used to it, keep doing it but it's not something that will make or break your rotation

[hushed maple]

do you guys think, that Master Poisoner or Exhang will git gud at some point in the xpac?`

[rigid mango]

Since their counterparts rely on % increases, most likely not.

[hushed maple]

hmmmm

kinda sad, that we lost the artifact bleed

[worthy moon]

Last question about Elaborate Planning, does it effect the flame Essence?

[strange python]

Kingsbane was pimpin man

[rigid mango]

MP wont out dps EP, exsang just wont be out damaging TB anytime I don't think.

[hushed maple]

with kingsbane exhang would probably be usefull

[rigid mango]

Exsang works on super short kill timers.

2:50 ish is optimal if you wanna speed kill as sin with optimal speedkill setup.

[hushed maple]

you probably have to have a decent Mastery % for that aswell, hm?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nDECSGXJ7o3rCHXBjZP5kN

well actually exhang isnt simming tooooo bad for me

[arctic walrus]

He said short kill times you simmed 5 minutes

[hushed maple]

yes I know that

But I was interested in seeing, how bad it would be in "general raiding"

and its not as bad, as I thought. Still 600dps, tho lmao

But I actually expected worse

[soft shale]

you can do exsang with doble trinket i think

[viral locust]

Do we think we'll have enough Mastery in next patch to play MP instead of EP? 🤔

[drifting cloud]

no because mp is trash

[worthy moon]

Finally got rank 3 of the raid essence after a long break off my rogue

Feels like a huge burden has been lifted haha

[viral locust]

Idk, I liked Mastery MP build when it was a thing.

[soft shale]

MP got changed to not affect envenom that is why it died

[hoary crown]

Does ny’alotha favor outlaw or assa? 🙂

[frozen karma]

From seeing Preach's preview of the bosses I'd say Outlaw

Lots of aoe and cleave in that raid

[stable plinth]

Also tons of ST tho

Overall damage doesnt always correlate to what exactly is being most useful on a fight

[versed bobcat]

Isn't assa better in cleave (not overall but in changing target, doing damage on add and changing back to boss, eg)

Than outlaw *

[strange python]

anyone knows a way to get 200 XP outside of the daily quests so I may have R3 for prog tonight? 🙂

[tall narwhal]

Dont think there is a way...

[quasi pewter]

done bark/tome this week yet?

[strange python]

well i found something

ye like weekly bark i havet done this week

[quasi pewter]

ye bark is pretty easy to get

the blue one

also check murloc for tome maybe

[strange python]

can u druid charm it?

first one despawned after we flew

[agile tulip]

hey, say you get toxic blade off cd and have 5 cp and nearly full energy, is it better to envenom and then toxic>mut>mut>envenom, hold the toxic blade for 4cp and then toxic blade or just toxic blade at 0 cp?

[bright tusk]

Why do top rogues on orgozoa take conflict and strife as one of their minor essences? What's the reasoing behind it? O.o

[agile tulip]

because you have enough bleeds to maintain good energy regen without iris

[inner wedge]

Hello, what profile do you use for simming? Azshara specifically

[bright tusk]

I see, thanks @agile tulip

I don't have rank3 strife yet, should I take iris or purification?

[desert kelp]

What's the best essences in m+? I read Bote > iris but Iris sims more than BoTE by miles ofcourse

[quasi pewter]

for overall dps iris is propably better yea but bote is useful in all situations when iris is useless for st

[desert kelp]

Which do you think is overall more valuable?

[quasi pewter]

bote

[desert kelp]

I see, I'm new to m+ assa, when do I use bote?

on CD?

[quasi pewter]

there is a pin i think

[desert kelp]

ah there is opener atleast

[quasi pewter]

for st you wanna use it with vendetta ofc

in packs when ur garrotes are rolling into fok

pmuch

[desert kelp]

alright, thanks

[fathom wyvern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/m4D5NYtQZyCfyLFcbz4Mh9

looking at that sim doesnt it do the opener wrong?

[arctic walrus]

@agile tulip you use Tb at 5 cp into an envenom

[fathom wyvern]

like it loses 1 global on TB, could be the difference to hit 4 envenoms into tb instead of 3

[arctic walrus]

Try 5 minutes

[fathom wyvern]

opener rotation should be the same no?

[arctic walrus]

Meh just try it

I’d like to personally see

[fathom wyvern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aJTyAAnjTc3Wv4pDaFvVZW

TB before Blood to lose 1 global on the tb window etc

mut before garrotE?

[rigid mango]

Yeah but doesn't lose on blood window?

Yes?

Mut rup mut

If 4 cp first mut

Opener is in pins, although not w bote

I'll get it added when I can

[fathom wyvern]

but look at the first sim

that one is incorrect right?

[rigid mango]

It is

[fathom wyvern]

no way you can get 3 cp form garrote to tb -> mut -> etc

[rigid mango]

Because my changes to the no 4 cp first mut apl weren't added

Wouldn't recommend simming low times

Gives inconsistancies

[fathom wyvern]

my RL told me to sim 90 sec cuz thats the burst window we need to maximize for azshara p2 to push into p3

[rigid mango]

You just play standard

Bote font coral

It's the best for it

[fathom wyvern]

ye, clf is better for 1 specific burst tho but BotE lines with every other dps window right?

is there any way to see current dps at a time point in sims?

[cobalt pelican]

just open the html report

all the info you need is there

[rigid mango]

Yes but bote is better for the fight as a whole

Shouldn't gimp by playing clf just for p2

[fathom wyvern]

agreed

[light ferry]

Hi, I have 430 KoR trinket, 425 spyglass and 435 dice. My crit is pretty low (29% I think). What should I take for M+?

[arctic walrus]

What's kor trinket

andwhat level keys are you doing

[light ferry]

KR* sorry. Golden plumage. And I am doing garbage keys, 10-13. Its my third alter, and since my friends don't play that much, I am not doing big keys this xpac, but I like to have my character as optimized as I can.

[arctic walrus]

plum and spyglass

[light ferry]

So even if I am doing face roll dungeons, I would like to play the right way.

[tall narwhal]

I see that some high keyes people are playing tempest instead bomb

Is that a thing ? All the guides say never taje it

[polar cape]

Tempest is powerlful on forti with lots of uptime

[rigid mango]

Tempesr outside kr/tos/siege

[pure moth]

Noted: walk around with 10000 tomes

[stoic crow]

If I am on 5 CP and toxic blade just got up do i A: Use it asap and waste 1-2 CP or B: use my 5 CP and then toxic blade?

[echo hornet]

wasting CP is a no no, no?

[rigid mango]

You TB on max cp

[stoic crow]

I would say so but I am not sure here so thats why I am asking 🙂

[rigid mango]

TB on cd > wasting 1/2 cp

That's the logic

[stoic crow]

Aight ty

[subtle dust]

how long does gar/rap needs to tick to make it worth casting over envenom (talking about end of fight when the boss is like 1%)

[arctic walrus]

Well you can reapply low cp ruptures that you can estimate to last you until boss dies

[subtle dust]

would a 2 cp rapture really be worth over another mut followed by env for extra 4 secs?

[civic palm]

Not having the energy generation is worse.

1% could end up being 2x the time the low CP rupture would have given.

[arctic walrus]

I mean is the boss dying in 2 seconds from when your rupture falls off, or another 30 cuz everyone's dead and you're fighting a mythic endboss

[rigid mango]

Just gonna put it out there, rapture is a priest spell.

[civic palm]

Fuck

[subtle dust]

sorry

[civic palm]

Then I would say that it's NEVER worth casting Rapture.

Envenom instead.

[arctic walrus]

Your dps isn't gonna skyrocket or tank in the last 1% either so like eh

[subtle dust]

of course not, im asking for min/max situations

i would like to know the way to squeeze in a little bit more if possible

[rigid mango]

1% odds are u just env

But eh, it's feelies

[civic palm]

Take time over health %, IMO.

If you use the low CP Rupture and you are not gonna get another Finisher off, just MUT to 4+ and ENV.

[rigid mango]

Pretty much that

[arctic walrus]

You can get through a good amount of env/mut casts without a rup too

with current procs

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[rigid mango]

But I wonder if env mut (mut) env

Can be a dps inc

Meh

[arctic walrus]

well yeah you'd basically be wasting a whole env for a few seconds of rupture that you don't need energy from

[edgy pawn]

do you think its worth it to apply bleeds in delirium on myth zaqul?

or is it more damage to just spam envenom

since youre never running out of energy

[rigid mango]

Ofc u still bleed

[edgy pawn]

ye stupid question, sorry .D

😄

[civic palm]

For what?

[rigid mango]

Hard to know what's the best.

[civic palm]

As usual, with balance considerations still in the air, there's no telling.

[rigid mango]

We don't have sims and we don't know what'll be used yet.

[civic palm]

What seems broken one week can be deemed useless the next.

[rigid mango]

We don't know how corruption will affect everything

Etc etc.

[civic palm]

Yarp.

What's good though?

What's NOT being changed?

[rigid mango]

What if I tell you no?

Since last two bosses have +10 ilvls

And have NP

[civic palm]

What balance ISN'T being made Heroic week?

[rigid mango]

But no OP?

[civic palm]

Use the highest item level items you have.

Safest bet.

[hushed maple]

alrighty I just got 3/8 with another guild