#assassination | Ravenholdt | Page 3543

rigid mango Nov 21, 2019, 9:05 PM

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4th time

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Very minor

strange python Nov 21, 2019, 9:05 PM

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marginally

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and often for many fights that are high movement and/or you have break. Just wail on the boss.

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Very few fights do I pool on. Behemouth is one of the few.

silver cedar Nov 21, 2019, 9:06 PM

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Behemoth next time i'm going to try using the VE racial to help offset shock pulse

strange python Nov 21, 2019, 9:07 PM

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Your feint is fairly sufficient even in mythic. 😉

silver cedar Nov 21, 2019, 9:07 PM

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luv feint

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but yeah the ve racial is weirdly niche but it could work really well if you can use it in certain places

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I used to use it on garothi for instance

quiet gull Nov 21, 2019, 10:13 PM

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Is Benthic and Cyclotronic still looking to be BiS or can I skip grinding for that to get my rogue 8.3 ready

gusty mirage Nov 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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if you're focusing on 8.3, ignore benthic completely

quiet gull Nov 21, 2019, 10:14 PM

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You have just made my night, thank you!

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Having fun with heroic and normal runs of palace right now but we are not pushing mythic

gusty mirage Nov 21, 2019, 10:15 PM

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yeah the on equip effects that make benthic so good don't work outside of EP/Nazjatar so if you're just trying to gear up to get ready for the 8.3 grind I wouldn't bother

rigid mango Nov 21, 2019, 10:36 PM

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Cyclotronic isn't BiS thanks to this raid's trinkets

lost horizon Nov 21, 2019, 10:36 PM

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the essences though will stick around, so prioritize those

hollow stone Nov 21, 2019, 11:02 PM

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@rigid mango but how important is pooling?

rigid mango Nov 21, 2019, 11:08 PM

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(^:

sacred flint Nov 22, 2019, 1:31 AM

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!bote

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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It's pinned

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 1:32 AM

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Sup

sacred flint Nov 22, 2019, 1:33 AM

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yea i see it thanks

true nexus Nov 22, 2019, 5:12 AM

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is pooling the meme in this channel

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like bote vs iris in the outlaw

ember rover Nov 22, 2019, 5:13 AM

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There is no meme about pooling, I believe.

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If both of your bleeds are at 10s+ and you are not within Toxic Blade window, you pool for TB window.

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Contrary to some belief, you don't lose DPS if you have dead globals.

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https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kappXKPmry3NRSvQ9XmHe/simc

Raidbots

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This is basic 5minute fight, of which 17.6% of time you do nothing.

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So the best possible outcome for a 5 minute fight has you do nothing for 17.6% of time.

shy kestrel Nov 22, 2019, 5:42 AM

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you poisonweave in the downtime tho

ember rover Nov 22, 2019, 5:44 AM

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What even is poisonweave?

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First time I hear that term.

shy kestrel Nov 22, 2019, 5:58 AM

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an aged meme 😉

marble hemlock Nov 22, 2019, 6:31 AM

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lul

wooden orchid Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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you don't hold CLF for second vendetta window right

marble hemlock Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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depends on the fight

wooden orchid Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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im on queens mythic right now

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its a weird overlap

marble hemlock Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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then no, just use everything on CD

wooden orchid Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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kk

marble hemlock Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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you can delay the 3rd clf 6mins into the fight

wooden orchid Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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oh

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thats what im wondering

marble hemlock Nov 22, 2019, 6:32 AM

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nvm

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im braindead

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but yeah, generally speaking, you can either delay clf if you know you wont get one more

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so any fight that is less than 6minutes

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you delay 2nd clf for 3rd vendetta at 4min

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and any fight thats less than 4min you delay 2nd vendetta for clf

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etc.

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essentially, delaying CDs to stack them with other CDs is fine, as long as you dont lose out on 1 usage of said CD

ember rover Nov 22, 2019, 6:35 AM

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I found out, and someone else I believe has corraborated this, that using CLF 1s before pull is a DPS increase as opposed to using it after pull.

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Also helps timings a little bit.

quasi pewter Nov 22, 2019, 6:38 AM

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rly? can you link the sims?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:41 AM

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One global really is gonna change up everything. Ground breaking

ember rover Nov 22, 2019, 6:49 AM

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Pardon me, it was in regards to Outlaw, not assassination.

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Solo posted in #tc-research on 08/27/2019

grave trail Nov 22, 2019, 6:56 AM

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pooling differentiates an elite pumper from a noob one

bright axle Nov 22, 2019, 7:43 AM

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ive seen it before, sorry for being a scrub but what was the command to see the various WA groups for rogue?

drifting cloud Nov 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

bright axle Nov 22, 2019, 7:46 AM

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tyvm

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 8:02 AM

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Are all those WA for sin?

vestal wren Nov 22, 2019, 8:08 AM

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yes

fathom frost Nov 22, 2019, 8:19 AM

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I joined my guild for a rekill on za'qul M yesterday, my rogue is my alt so wasnt 100% prepared for all the timings - especially since we changed the tactic midway. In the end we went with the "standard" hold dps-tactic = 2x Echo-adds. I enter 1st delirium and for both echo's, playing with vision ofc.
Anyone have any link or mind going over how they handle delirium, stacks and cloak-usage? Worth cloaking in p3 early to stay in untill 50% so raid gets overall less stacks but you get a few more?
Do you cloak early while nuking echo 1 so its ready late for number 2?

ember rover Nov 22, 2019, 9:09 AM

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The way I personally found out is the best is, when you go inside for the first echo, you don't use cloak or anything.

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Since you have to drop out of that delirium and go back to normal realm when the entire raid does.

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You save cloak + pot for the time you enter delirium for 2nd Echo.

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As that is where most likely where you will stay inside until boss dies, or you die.

bright axle Nov 22, 2019, 9:18 AM

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honestly cant even think how people do two splits

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it was a pain in the ass with one without mechanics lasting longer for more people to die to dumb

tropic ocean Nov 22, 2019, 11:03 AM

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@ember rover mikihasa did it some time ago iirc and linked custom sims here and it was small dps loss

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but even if it was a small gain never gamble not being able to restealth in time 😄

raw rune Nov 22, 2019, 11:30 AM

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is there much of a gap between sin and outlaw atm

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just coming back from a large break

steep obsidian Nov 22, 2019, 11:58 AM

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theres only one fight you really play outlaw on this raid

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more people playing outlaw in M+ coz its better there

clear dagger Nov 22, 2019, 12:02 PM

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How much better is outlaw compared to sin in m+? Is it by a huge margin?

modest tendon Nov 22, 2019, 12:03 PM

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You will probably only notice a difference if you push above 20s

steep obsidian Nov 22, 2019, 12:12 PM

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gearing for aoe for sin means you probably do less single target then you do as outlaw anyway

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I think seliathan plays sin at a high level but i dont know of anyone else

modest tendon Nov 22, 2019, 12:15 PM

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Morning wind

lost horizon Nov 22, 2019, 12:34 PM

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you notice gouge more than anything else imo

ancient iron Nov 22, 2019, 1:07 PM

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hi been new to rogue decided to play assasination 🙂 any guides you guys can reecommend. I´m a bit confused right now ^^

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 1:10 PM

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wowhead

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and pins

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Nov 22, 2019, 1:29 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

ancient iron Nov 22, 2019, 1:43 PM

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ty going to read it later 🙂 hope I´ll learn it fast

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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do you use toxic blade at 5CP if it's off cd?

distant lava Nov 22, 2019, 3:13 PM

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yes

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 3:15 PM

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and is the basic aoe rotation for like 7+ targets fan>rupture>fan>rupture repeat with garottes on CD? is there a point where you only spam fan?

kind eagle Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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Is there a way to setup a Tricks Macro using the group role designation versus say a focus, mouseover, or name macor? i.e if i'm pugging m+ i just have a quick tricks macro for the tank and i can still focus kick and cc shit

distant lava Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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yep

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@party1

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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/cast [@tanksname] tricks of the trade

distant lava Nov 22, 2019, 3:16 PM

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will always target the group leader

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@strange python depends on your traits

distant lava Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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and you just ask for lead on the tank

vestal wren Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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there is a addon for tricks too

kind eagle Nov 22, 2019, 3:17 PM

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@vestal wren whats it called?

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@distant lava i'll set that up and give that a go seems the easiest and most logical so i'm not having to paste tank names in.

vestal wren Nov 22, 2019, 3:18 PM

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https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/tricks-trader

kind eagle Nov 22, 2019, 3:20 PM

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Is a solid resource for current functional and efficient rogue macros, i didn't see any in the guides and google came up with a bunch of 1994 cast sequence macros that don't really apply these days.

vagrant tapir Nov 22, 2019, 5:02 PM

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Anyone know how wowprogress tracks characters?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 5:03 PM

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What

vagrant tapir Nov 22, 2019, 5:03 PM

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Like what the threshhold for a character to be tracked is

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Level 120 I assume

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But is it just 120? Or do they have to have killed something, whats the threshold

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 5:06 PM

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#wow-general

echo hornet Nov 22, 2019, 5:16 PM

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my aoe dmg is 80-100k. but on boss i sit at 30k without burst and im running low on energy. am i doing something wrong ? M+

scarlet sequoia Nov 22, 2019, 5:17 PM

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yes

lost horizon Nov 22, 2019, 5:20 PM

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'30k without burst' do you mean without vendetta up on pull? or just

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later in the pull you end up at 30k?

soft shale Nov 22, 2019, 5:26 PM

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if it's fortified week and you used all cds on pulls 30k is not that bad if you're not potting two times on boss that depends on gear really then because assa uses the 3SS 2eb 1ttk you have no strong ST traits with no vanish/vendetta

echo hornet Nov 22, 2019, 5:26 PM

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well with vendetta, coral buff and bote im at 60-70k. but when they end i slowly go down and sit at 30 without any movement

unreal sail Nov 22, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Any thoughts on using a raid setup in a 20+ sob this week?

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Don't?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 5:47 PM

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Sounds like it's gonna be a 19 sob real quick

unreal sail Nov 22, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Even though spotter is gonna be used to clear pretty much the entire dungeon?

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:07 PM

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SS+Subterfuge > DD/MA for short fights (~3 min)

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also, SS has much higher burst value (required for last boss)

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there's 0 reasons ever to go MA/DD in any dungeon

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unless the dungeon is literally all single target with no combat drops PeepoShrug

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Guys

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HELP ME

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I I am normally playing 3xDD and 3x NP

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and Raidbots its telling me to exchange my chest to a TTK, Loyal Chest

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BUT

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In practical use

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I go 10k below my 3xDD and 3xNP dmg

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and I am pooling energy and make use of my buff

nocturne gate Nov 22, 2019, 6:17 PM

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3 np is just stupid vendetta burst

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:18 PM

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yes

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and I do more dmg overall

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but raidbots said its worse

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:18 PM

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Do you have loyal buffs enabled in the sim, and do you actually have loyal traits in your groups

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:18 PM

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like 2 or 3k dps worse

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yes I simmed with 0 allies with loyal

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but still

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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Okay

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then yeah it's better

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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well yes..but no

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xD

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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well yes and yes

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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well no

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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It's user error, not the piece of gear

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:19 PM

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I do less dmg in practical use on a dummy

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I am pooling energy and make use of the buff of envenom

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It just doesnt come close at all

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Hey everyone - Is Luxthos WA any good for sin?

burnt crane Nov 22, 2019, 6:20 PM

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Can anyone help me figure out how to get the hidden artifact skin called Bonebreaker?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:21 PM

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go kill rares in the underbelly

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 6:21 PM

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!wa

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wa!

burnt crane Nov 22, 2019, 6:22 PM

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how often do they spawn, i went there yesterday and could not find any, is that the only requirement

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:22 PM

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So I simmed again and the dps difference is 200in the sim

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by now

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:23 PM

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So how long are you hitting the dummy for

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:23 PM

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5 Minutes

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ofc

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^^

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:25 PM

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have you disabled all the buffs?

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are you hitting a dummy with a warr/monk/DH/shaman in your grp?

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:26 PM

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Only thing I let into sim is BL

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:27 PM

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2x DD, NP, BBI, ttk, loyal + 3 OP is the best set of azerite

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:27 PM

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dafuq is BBI?

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:27 PM

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blightborne infusion

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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ah

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Goraktul

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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on gorak tul's shoulder

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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fck these shoulders...

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they seem to be BiS for everything lmao

vast forum Nov 22, 2019, 6:28 PM

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so you want za'qul helm (or the one from pvp), gorak tul's and chest from blackwater behemoth

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but cephalo/pvp chest with dd/ttk works fine too

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:35 PM

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i use loa helm, gorak tul, blackwater chest

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swirling sands can't be that much worse than bbi

opal scroll Nov 22, 2019, 6:36 PM

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just wondering, is it worth to take 445 ink pod over 440 azshara for ashvane mythic?

hushed maple Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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if you use gorak already....why would you bother to go swirling then?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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If you're 2 phasing probably not

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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because i use NP on gorak

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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You should probably switch those around

opal scroll Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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aight thanks

tropic ocean Nov 22, 2019, 6:37 PM

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PamysiaToday at 7:19 PM
I do less dmg in practical use on a dummy
I am pooling energy and make use of the buff of envenom
It just doesnt come close at al

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????

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:40 PM

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switch what around? O_o

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:42 PM

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oopsies I'm dumb apologies :^)

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:43 PM

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made me log into my rogue to double check that loa doesn't have np/ss on same row :p

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:43 PM

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For some reason I was thinking half zaq helm half loa

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:45 PM

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i mostly play outlaw but i've got all the outlaw azerite i could want

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so i droptimizer'd sin

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1 piece was an upgrade, loa, and i randomed it :p

burnt crane Nov 22, 2019, 6:47 PM

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I am in the Underbelly and only have found one rare

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Sounds to me like they're pretty rare

deft nymph Nov 22, 2019, 6:57 PM

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😬

burnt crane Nov 22, 2019, 7:30 PM

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I finally got it thanks for your help

stuck junco Nov 22, 2019, 8:03 PM

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For m+, if I can't get 3 SS / 3 EB, is it better to have more SS or more EB traits?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 8:17 PM

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more ss

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but at least 1 eb

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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Legit question boys...3x 6% wipes on QA now..across 2 raid nights...In your exp how far off is this from a kill....please don't say 6% off 😛

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 8:19 PM

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depends what you're wiping to

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:20 PM

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General clusterfuckery, more specifically, poor placment on void zones, missed gazes, missed soacks and stacks not being reset before console.

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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If you're pressure surging the problem stems back a few minutes in the fight

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if you die to zones and gazes you just need to be better/luckier

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6% isn't off, but it depends on how easily you all tilt and can adapt on the go

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Nah it's not yellow wards/pressure surge

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Missed blue wards during the fight just meaning it's all hitting harder...and missing soaks because of poor voidzone placment.

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Yeah..as I imagined then, could be 2 wipes...could be 200 😛

sand whale Nov 22, 2019, 8:24 PM

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but

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well I mean

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how is it clusterfuckery in the last phase I dun understand

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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I guess it's just mechanics that people aren't used to.

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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How many p4 wipes

sand whale Nov 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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are you the RL?

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:25 PM

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3

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and yeah.

sand whale Nov 22, 2019, 8:26 PM

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do you guys log? if so look over them see who's screwing up

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call them out see what happens

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:26 PM

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Sorry, p4 wipes we've had about 7 or 8. 3 wipes at 6%

sand whale Nov 22, 2019, 8:27 PM

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assuming you're the average casual mythic guild it'll take like a raid night max lol so I'd say you're close

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when our guild made it to p4 it was a kill within 2 pulls

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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Yeah I'd say we're pretty average casual mythic guild, Last tier was our first CE as a guild and was late in the tier

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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#wow-general

feral shuttle Nov 22, 2019, 8:28 PM

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😦

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Sorry dad.

drifting cloud Nov 22, 2019, 8:34 PM

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are those 6% wipes after pressing 3rd console? then I assume only reason is early deaths, my guild went from 8% to kill pre-nerfs, so 6% is really really close to a kill since the last phase on QA is basically heroic with a 1shot mechanic

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especially since after you deal with 3rd console literally nothing happens for like 30s

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 8:43 PM

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This convo -> #wow-general . Please do continue it at the relevant place. 😄

drifting cloud Nov 22, 2019, 8:44 PM

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stop bullying me green man

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 8:46 PM

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GWsetmyxPeepoEvil

polar dagger Nov 22, 2019, 9:04 PM

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peporun

dim steppe Nov 22, 2019, 9:05 PM

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What essences to go for?

arctic walrus Nov 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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You should probably specify the type of content

dim steppe Nov 22, 2019, 9:18 PM

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Both M+ and Raids

brave vector Nov 22, 2019, 9:30 PM

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!essence

prisma monolithBOT Nov 22, 2019, 9:30 PM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 9:31 PM

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Does anyone know what the WA is called that puts a circle around your mouse pointer?

tropic ocean Nov 22, 2019, 9:32 PM

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Yes

rigid mango Nov 22, 2019, 9:32 PM

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#wow-general

tropic ocean Nov 22, 2019, 9:32 PM

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https://wago.io/HJhCa5rDQ

Mouse Cursor - Circle

** Weakaura = Brighter Blue Circle ** (+) Addon = Pulsing, Targeting (+ more effects). https://addonswow.com/where-curs

strange python Nov 22, 2019, 9:33 PM

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Thanks

dim steppe Nov 22, 2019, 10:05 PM

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Condensed life force/memory/focusing iris or Condensed life force/memory/focusing iris amirite?

cobalt pelican Nov 22, 2019, 10:08 PM

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i don't know

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are you?

dim steppe Nov 22, 2019, 10:10 PM

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well the logs certainly are

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 1:36 AM

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levelling my first rogue right now and it's like I never have time to use envenom...

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by the time my energy gets pooled and I have enough combo points garrote and rupture are about to run out and I have to spend them on putting them back on

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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Sin is the worst spec to level with so, yeah.

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Quite bad.

wet ruin Nov 23, 2019, 1:41 AM

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blizzard making your "best" trait on every piece of azerite in nyalotha, still no DD + NP + OP chest SucksMan

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 1:48 AM

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i mean, putting NP as our "best trait" is already a mistake

wet ruin Nov 23, 2019, 1:52 AM

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thought that as well

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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they got 0/3 right tbh

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assa should have been dd

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outlaw should have been ace

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sub should have been NV

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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DS and ace are pretty close though

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 1:56 AM

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close, but ace is better

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DD and NP are also close

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 1:57 AM

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NP loses value after 1 though

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 1:57 AM

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yeap

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but it's still good to stack

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NP is probably still best as a sigle trait, just like first dance for sub

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but it's not something you want on all your gear

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though i wouldn't mind 3xDD 3xNP 3xOP but that will never happen PeepoShrug

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if only they added a single DD/NP/OP chest in the entire expansion, it would have been so good

wet ruin Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 AM

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maybe 1 BBI for one NP

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 AM

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Is 1 NP (past the first) better than 1 ttk?

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 AM

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idk

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depends on a lot of factors

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fight length, fight style

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5 min patchwerk i think NP wins

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the only reason ttk is always used is because there isn't a dd/np/op chest in the game

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so you either go for cephalo (dd/ttk) or blackwater chest (loyal/ttk)

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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If there was one, I'd expect loa to be BiS helm tbh.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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eh

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idk

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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Swirl > 2nd NP, pretty sure.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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BBI + sands might be too much crit

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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You could just go for other stats elsewhere though

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 AM

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2nd np and ttk are both meh.

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Not that I think swirl is great, but that's just my guess.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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2nd np isn't bad at all, it just falls short of BBI

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i just think that it would be a lot better if both BBI and sands weren't the same stat

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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1st Np gets outvalued by swirl nearly atm so

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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like if 1 gave mastery and 1 gave crit it would be dope

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:01 AM

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Don't really think that's the case, tbh.

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1st NP is contested by BBI

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Incite gives mastery

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:02 AM

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Aint good though.

sour wraith Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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What about tradewinds

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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Same.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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tradewinds is good i think just no tradewinds/OP pieces in the game

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or are there?

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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If CLF isn't the go-to essence I can imagine np/ttk gaining some value again

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Since rn mastery kinda blows.

polar cape Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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2nd np is low key my fav for stuff like zaq delirium cause the extra dmg is pretty dope

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 AM

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i mean

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mastery is 1 of my highest weights atm, tho that might be because i don't have a lot of it Xd

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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Consistantly way bottom/2nd bottom for me althrough this tier

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We're also losing benthic, so that'll help.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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yea mastery didn't really scale with benthic

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:04 AM

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And also, swirl + bbi might be even better with more crit amp from corruption.

vast forum Nov 23, 2019, 2:05 AM

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tru

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we'll see

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only raidbots can tell us

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Idk if new essence/bote can trump CLF with scaling + the minor nerf

zenith portal Nov 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT Nov 23, 2019, 2:06 AM

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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

wet ruin Nov 23, 2019, 2:15 AM

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could SS be a thing

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:20 AM

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If there's cleave, yeah. Potentially it can be good at any given point tbh.

stuck junco Nov 23, 2019, 2:23 AM

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Right now I have 2 SS and 1 EB traits. Should I spend my Residuum on more 430 pieces to fish for more SS / EB traits or just buy random 445 pieces? I primarily do m+

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 2:47 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 23, 2019, 2:47 AM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

crisp hollow Nov 23, 2019, 6:31 AM

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If I'm running 3x SS, 2x EB and BOTE major w/ Lucid+VoP minor, should my last trait be a NP or should I keep TTK? I don't have r3 C&S yet hence the VoP minor

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(purely for M+)

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 6:34 AM

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Personally would recommend dropping vop, taking the ttk, and replacing with either flame or pp

crisp hollow Nov 23, 2019, 6:36 AM

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okay noted 🙂 think PP will be raid relevant for sin in 8.3? this char is only friendly with mechagon rn lmao I got flying with a different toon and didn't touch that place ever again

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 6:44 AM

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maybe peepoShrug

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never hurts to get it

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you can just sit at revered and wait for 8.3 for rank 3 req to drop

drifting cloud Nov 23, 2019, 7:53 AM

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it might be because like 3/4 of the bosses are abberations

cobalt pelican Nov 23, 2019, 8:30 AM

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i should probably start on my spare part slavery soon

weak garnet Nov 23, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Does offhand dps not matter a whole lot?

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A 20ilvl improvement offhand dagger without socket is simming less than the same dagger 20ilvls lower (but the lower dagger has a socket)

ember rover Nov 23, 2019, 9:14 AM

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OH dps is significantly lower than any other stat, like 3x less.

pseudo hamlet Nov 23, 2019, 11:32 AM

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@weak garnet I've got 445ilvl dagger that sims lower than 430 ilvl with socket. I guess it's almost the same situation as yours. Off-hand dmg isn't that important.

latent gazelle Nov 23, 2019, 1:49 PM

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has it been discussed how every piece of Azerite from Nyalotha is gonna have NP on it.?

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 1:52 PM

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Yep

latent gazelle Nov 23, 2019, 1:53 PM

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havent been watching channel like i used to

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kinda feel like every piece having NP is a bad thing

main rune Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 PM

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Hey, you guys have probably been asked this 100 times. but what is really the reason for using abilities on 4 cp, does it cost less energy? or is it to save procs to get xtra cp never understood it...

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 1:58 PM

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If you were to mut at 4 CP

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You could waste a potential 3 CP

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which is bad.

main rune Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 PM

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but dont i waste energy and dmg?

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 2:00 PM

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But each mut at 4+ energy is a guaranteed 1 CP waste, and a potential 3 CP waste.

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It's not worth it, at all.

main rune Nov 23, 2019, 2:03 PM

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thank you, so much 🙂

prisma valve Nov 23, 2019, 2:40 PM

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When I looked at the pieces individually the other day thry all had DD so no idea why thry changed them to NP

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 2:44 PM

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the good pieces all have dd and then a choice between new raid trait and smth else

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iirc

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yeah helm is dd-np/raid trait - op, shoulder is dd np/raid trait ele whirl(op one doesnt have dd) and chest is dd/raidt rait /op

hollow bridge Nov 23, 2019, 3:07 PM

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question then, is DD or NP stacking better?

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or will the raid thing of increase secondaries by how much corruption eventually be best because of corruption resistance or something?

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 3:11 PM

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🔮

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Who knows

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 3:29 PM

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@hollow bridge dont know yet, but currently stacking dd is stronger than stacking np (it heavily depends on the other traits on the piece as well)

hollow bridge Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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man i just love how gearing and power works in this expansion, patch and its looking like shadowlands will continue this kek

edgy pawn Nov 23, 2019, 3:30 PM

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yeah, we know tons about shadowlands

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#wowgeneral tho

strange python Nov 23, 2019, 3:39 PM

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has anyone tested the new dagger on PTR?

old knot Nov 23, 2019, 5:27 PM

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!coral

prisma monolithBOT Nov 23, 2019, 5:27 PM

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The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 5:42 PM

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is Vigor the best talent for m+?

edgy pawn Nov 23, 2019, 5:46 PM

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yes

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I'm quite confused about the Zaqul mythic logs I'm looking at. I find most assas seem to be using bote, but rarely anybody uses Vision of Perfection minor for the reduced Vendetta. What is the point of Bote when you only have Vendetta once in the delirium realm anyways?

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 5:52 PM

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depends on killtime, if you just zerg it you only go into 1 delirium so you dont need vision minor

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:52 PM

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Why don't you take the guardian then instead of bote?

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 5:52 PM

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If you're top logging on that fight, you either don't go down or only go down once. You only take vision when you need to go down twice for both echos

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Because bote lines up more often with damage amp phases

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Ah, so it's not about being effective and just about logging.

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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Well, it is effective

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 5:54 PM

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its effective as well

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in high dps rosters you have no issue with adds anyway and killtime is ~5min so

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vision is "ineffective" its only used to kill add

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:55 PM

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Yea, I mean it's effective if you are farming. Just not the go to when you are progressing

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 5:55 PM

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depends solely on who you send down

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if you need to go for both adds as rogue use vision

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Do I run Lucid Dreams if I have vision+bote or Purification Protocoll?

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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yes always

edgy pawn Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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lucid

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 5:56 PM

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Sad times when I had to drop lucid to put on vision SucksMan

edgy pawn Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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mustve felt terrible playing 😄

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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I just thought lucid wouldn't be worth it if you go down with a bajillion haste

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 5:57 PM

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it also gives versa

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other than that you're more up than down so

quasi pewter Nov 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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the versa alone is as good as other minors

lost wharf Nov 23, 2019, 5:58 PM

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Yea, just thought the extra cleave+extra abberation dmg makes up for it.

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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got 2 questions

first, what should you do if you're at 4 combo points? is mutilate still worth using even if you'd be missing out on 1?

also, how do you properly use envenom? As in, how do you get the most damage out of the poison buff after you use it?

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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always finish at 4

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use envenom to not overcap energy/combo points

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try to fit 2-3 envenom in each toxic blade window

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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im levelling and dont have toxic blade yet

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 6:03 PM

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(or more with lucky crits/under the influence of bloodlust)

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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so just rupture/envenom at 4 cp?

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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yes

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rupture only if you need to refresh the dot otherwise envenom

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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what do you do with the 30% poison chance envenom gives?

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i read something about spam mutilate

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 6:04 PM

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its just there and you dont worry about it

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you always build to 4 cp and finish with envenom

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never overcap energy and since you dont have toxic blade, never overcap cp as well

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:05 PM

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so envenom is just to be used like a feral ferocious bite?

tropic ocean Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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idk since I don't play feral you just use it whenever you would overcap cp or energy

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(and dont need to refresh dots)

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:06 PM

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i was confused since it does less damage than the ability that gets replaced by envenom

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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what replaced env

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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cant remember the name

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when you unlock envenom it replaces something

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 6:07 PM

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eviscerate

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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yeah

arctic walrus Nov 23, 2019, 6:08 PM

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the poison application will matter moreso at the end game

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but getting in the habit of pooling until like 50-70 energy then envenom and following up envenoms is good

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It doesn't consume more energy for more damage like bite though

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 6:10 PM

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wait so you envenom and then spam...envenom?

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how do you get enough cp to do that

dark crag Nov 23, 2019, 6:11 PM

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Pool envenom build cp pool envenom repeat

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The 3 major rules are:
Don't waste cp if you can (procs aside)
Don't cap energy
Don't hold cds if it cost you another use

strange python Nov 23, 2019, 6:23 PM

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what's the best azerite setup for low keys(15s mostly)?

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 6:25 PM

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3 ss eb

strange python Nov 23, 2019, 6:58 PM

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how do you open on large packs with that setup?

marble hemlock Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 PM

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M+ AoE Openers
With Crimson Tempest talented
G1 G2 G3 CT FoK R1 BotE 5xFoK
Without Crimson Tempest
G1 G2 G3 R1 FoK Env BotE 5xFoK

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 7:09 PM

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peepoGivelove

open veldt Nov 23, 2019, 7:20 PM

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How worth is it to use kidney shot in M+ for the bleeds on trash packs?

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 7:21 PM

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You should be using iron wire 😄

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The utility it gives is worth a lot.

open veldt Nov 23, 2019, 7:26 PM

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Okay 😄

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Ty 🙂

modest tendon Nov 23, 2019, 8:16 PM

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Why env before bote?

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For the buff?

civic palm Nov 23, 2019, 8:21 PM

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Buffs.

pseudo hamlet Nov 23, 2019, 10:04 PM

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What's BotE and R1? 🤔 Ok, R1 -> Rupture I think.

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Blood

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Rupture

pseudo hamlet Nov 23, 2019, 10:04 PM

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Thanks.

versed mica Nov 23, 2019, 10:14 PM

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Okay so, I need help with energy management/energy pooling. I'm used to just smashing my keys to use abilities as soon as I get energy. However, I'm told that I should be pooling energy. But when I try to pool energy, I do less dps. Wtf do I do? lmao

worn basin Nov 23, 2019, 10:20 PM

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Use the search function because it's asked multiple times throughout the day here 🙂

versed mica Nov 23, 2019, 10:40 PM

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okay yeah I totally misunderstood what I had to do lmao, it makes sense now

hasty fiber Nov 23, 2019, 10:49 PM

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So its not worth ever to garrote a 4th time?

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Since its not empowered and puts it on cd

versed mica Nov 23, 2019, 10:50 PM

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I think it's just that you only really need 4 bleeds to fok spam

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3 empowered garrotes + 1 rup

rigid mango Nov 23, 2019, 10:50 PM

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Un-empowered aren't worth it

hasty fiber Nov 23, 2019, 10:51 PM

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okieee ill keep that in mind

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ty

covert belfry Nov 23, 2019, 11:49 PM

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wow you suddenly skyrocket from below the tank to top of the dps charts once you get level 50 lmao

elder gulch Nov 24, 2019, 12:00 AM

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does Master Poisoner interact with Leeching Poison?

quasi pewter Nov 24, 2019, 12:15 AM

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yes

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12% leech instead of 10%

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tooltip changes aswell

untold current Nov 24, 2019, 12:42 AM

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When are people generally popping cds (BOTE, Vend, Coral, Font) on Queen?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 12:43 AM

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start-start of p2-mistress in p3-rest on azshara in p4

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 12:44 AM

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subterfuge or master assassin?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 12:44 AM

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Depends on traits

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But since ur levelling

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doesn't matter

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subt proibs

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 12:44 AM

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everyone says toxic blade is the best to use later, and no talent guide ever shows subterfuge with toxic blade

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so should I use master assassin or what?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 12:45 AM

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Depends on how many shroude suff traits you ahve

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 12:45 AM

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are either of them better for mythic+ ?

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or are they all trait specific

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 12:45 AM

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are you doing dungeons or questing

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 12:45 AM

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both

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endgame ill be doing m+ though

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 12:46 AM

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I'd just take master assassin

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end game it is trait specific, but you'll always want shrouded suffication in m+, so you go with subt

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:48 AM

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is blightborne infusion better than swirling sands?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:48 AM

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yes

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:48 AM

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by how much?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:48 AM

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Why do you ask

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There must be some way of simplifying it than giving you an arbitrary value

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:50 AM

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gearing up an assa set and I got slithering loa+gorak tuls as the only 450s, thinking about what I should gamble/reroll for and if there's a setup I can use loa in until I get bis

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:50 AM

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If you have them both, you use them both but most likely the NP on goraks.

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Get blackwater at 450 and use that setup until you can get 450 zaq helm

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That's when you swap Np -> bbi on goraks

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:51 AM

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i could get 2x dd, swirling, blightborne, twisted and NP with spymaster

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:51 AM

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Should be 3 dd, no?

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:51 AM

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probably won't get 450 zaq helm for a while as it's an alt

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only 2 if I go both swirling and blightborne

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helm would be twist+swirl

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 1:52 AM

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not sure why not just sim all this

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:53 AM

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DD is outer my dude

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You can go dd swirl op on the helm

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 1:53 AM

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sims aren't really that reliable since my other gear isn't all set up yet

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:53 AM

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You should sim it though, for real.

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It'll use swirl on helm for sure, question is about 2nd np v bbi

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 1:54 AM

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most likely the 2nd np

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:55 AM

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Idk actually

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Maybe thanks to swirling.

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 1:55 AM

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it will depend on how high is current crit

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 1:55 AM

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And mast

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Hence, sim.

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Make all of this easy

stuck junco Nov 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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This might be a stupid question but earlier someone pinned the m+ opener and in the opener you BotE and then 5x FoK. Should I be spending my Combo points in between FoK casts or just blast all 5x FoK casts out ASAP?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:20 AM

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As it says, you just spam it.

stuck junco Nov 24, 2019, 2:21 AM

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Alright, thanks so much. You guys are a super helpful. 🙂

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:21 AM

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PES_BlankieThumbsUp

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:43 AM

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with toxic blade does it directly go on to buff poisons already on a target or do you need to reapply them

lost horizon Nov 24, 2019, 2:46 AM

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it's dynamic

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almost everything is dynamic, the only snapshotting we have is subterfuge and nightstalker

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:47 AM

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and exsang, kinda.

lost horizon Nov 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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big true, knew i was missing one

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technically shrouded is it's own thing too i guess

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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wait so exsanguinate has to be snapshotted?

lost horizon Nov 24, 2019, 2:48 AM

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no, using exsang snapshots your current bleeds

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for the increased tickrate

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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it applies to current bleeds or you use it and then apply new bleeds

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i guess it doesnt matter since im gonna take toxic blade but still

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 2:49 AM

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You apply, then exsang

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:50 AM

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im used to feral druid

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where everything has to be snapshotted

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 2:51 AM

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rogue doesn't matter

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:52 AM

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except using vanish for subterfuge garrotes?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:52 AM

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Yep

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:55 AM

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do you just do that after your first stealth garrote runs out or what

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vanish has such a long cooldown

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or do you vendetta, vanish and reapply garrote

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:56 AM

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You let the first garrote(s) run out, vanish, reapply

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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no vendetta?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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You vendetta with the first ones on pull

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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if it were a boss i mean

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Yeah, you vend with the first ones on pull

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vanish again approx 20 sec in

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and then you align your 2nd vend to your 2nd vanish

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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i thought you used vendetta after a garrote and rupture

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not right at the start

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:57 AM

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Yeah exactly

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It'd be

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g rup g vend tb

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:58 AM

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i see the 2 garrotes in every rotation guide

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is that because of a trait or something

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:58 AM

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Pandemic.

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If you've played feral you should know 😄

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 2:59 AM

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but you never rake, rip then rake on feral

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you rake, rip then shred to 5 cp

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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No, but this is because subterfuge has a 3 second window

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Where adding a 2nd global to increase the length is worth it

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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so you're just maximising the subterfuge buff on garrote for some extra seconds?

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ah

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Yeah

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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makes sense

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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Well, you would've garrote twice when you vanish later on

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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thanks

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:00 AM

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It's just in the opener

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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wouldn't

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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that word

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yes

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Wouldn't*

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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whys that though

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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because your garrotes should already be rolling then

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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because you will have a garrote applied

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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So your first garrrote does full pandemic there

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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so the first garrote will take it to full pandemic

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:01 AM

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slow vel

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slow

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On the opener however

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You have no garrote rolling

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So you add in total pandemic + the time between the two garrotes

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If you were to do the same with a vanish later on, you're only adding the time between the two garrotes

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that's not worth the second global to do so

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 3:02 AM

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right

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 3:03 AM

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If the fight timer allows for it

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Your first vanish

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first empowered garrote > garrote directly after last tick > vanish + garrote again as soon as possible

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If that means you don't lose a cast of any of your major cd's

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because incurring pandemic on your own empowered bleed with another empowered bleed would still net lose you 1 tick

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So for minmaxing's sake that'd be optimal

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fuck me I'm way too tired to do this shit.

lost horizon Nov 24, 2019, 3:26 AM

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does garrote not tick on application?

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i haven't really paid attention to it tbh

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 3:28 AM

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no

woven shoal Nov 24, 2019, 4:19 AM

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quick question, does nothing personal stack? Have it on my head and chest.

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 4:21 AM

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the damage sure, energy no

woven shoal Nov 24, 2019, 4:23 AM

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ok thanks

tepid fractal Nov 24, 2019, 4:48 AM

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@rigid mango just ranch it up dude

heavy tree Nov 24, 2019, 9:32 AM

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i have full benthic and BiS azerite. which rings with socket do i want to farm ?

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FH/Siege?

pseudo hamlet Nov 24, 2019, 9:38 AM

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I guess you guys already have seen that: https://www.wowhead.com/news=296704/your-best-trait-will-be-on-every-piece-of-nyalotha-azerite-armor

Wowhead

Your "Best" Trait Will Be on Every Piece of Ny'alotha Azerite Armor

We've taken a look at the Ny'alotha Raid Azerite Armor, and it seems that Blizzard has attempted to hand-pick the best Azerite Trait for every spec and has placed it on every piece of Ny'alotha Azerite Armor. For Example, Furious Gaze, Glimmer of Light and Blaster Master are ...

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According to Blizzard BIS trait is NP for Assas.

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(Okay, just noticed it's possible to get DD/TTK on helm, DD/NP on shoulders and DD/(SS/HoD) on chest)

cobalt pelican Nov 24, 2019, 9:50 AM

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np is pretty much our best single trait

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and the article isn't like factual anyway that blizzard tried to handpick 'bis' traits, they're just curated to some degree in the same way that the mechagon hm helms are

ember rover Nov 24, 2019, 10:08 AM

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They don't want to hand out ultimate BiS.

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If they did, they'd put DD on all instead of NP.

cobalt pelican Nov 24, 2019, 10:27 AM

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given the negligible difference between np and dd in a simulated environment np is almost guaranteed to be the better real world performer on an equal piece of gear on most encounters

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it's just much more practical

fading berry Nov 24, 2019, 11:01 AM

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Hi is there a mythic+ guide for assassination?

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or should I just follow the ravenholdt guide

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I saw some people running bote major with vop / lucid / conflict in mythic plus

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but don't see vop / conflict being mentioned in the guide

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 11:28 AM

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Just whack that they gave non-bis to all 3 rogue specs

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ANGERY

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Would've been way worse if NP stacked worse than it did

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Just woulda been nice to see new pieces on should/chest w dd np op or something alike

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If anything the 0 eb pieces is a bigger issue for me

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Nah just BoD stuff

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There were atleast 3-4 viable m+ pieces including eb/ss chest

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Now you're stuck to maybe rnging goraks and then two 1/6's and a 2/6 chance to get the right pieces

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A bit of a pisstake isn't it?

cobalt pelican Nov 24, 2019, 11:41 AM

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seems like they changed direction from having 'dead' pieces to actively using trait curation to balance specs inside the raid which i think is a pretty good (if late) change

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they're just kinda fugged for doing it cause of the residuum vendor

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 11:41 AM

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I mean, aslong as goraks/cepha aren't required

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To get raid bis

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Then it's fine

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Just means all residuum goes into m+ gearing which is gonna be aids rng wise like I said but

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Atleast I'm not expected to gear raid and m+ with residuum.

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Just gonna be annoying to have to wait about a month to even have a chance at full m+ set

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?

brisk forge Nov 24, 2019, 11:57 AM

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A month is nothing 😏

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Cant have everything for free

cold patio Nov 24, 2019, 12:11 PM

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!bote

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hm its vendetta -> tb -> bote -> vanish -> finisher right?

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 12:22 PM

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Yes

cold patio Nov 24, 2019, 12:50 PM

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k thx

errant shadow Nov 24, 2019, 2:41 PM

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y, but should we play NP with visions?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 2:42 PM

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In what context

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As a major or what

ember pulsar Nov 24, 2019, 4:15 PM

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Playing VoP major + 3NP is pretty weird but who knows

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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The word you're looking for is bad.

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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very bad

ember pulsar Nov 24, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Perhaps

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 4:17 PM

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Is it okay for me to upset that I didn't see SS for TWO Different helm pieces?

steady grotto Nov 24, 2019, 4:18 PM

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What's changed to make CT viable again?

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It probably is unpopular but i do like to have 3x SS traits. Feels bad man

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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@steady grotto nothing changed it was always a viable option and it gets better the more mobs you pull

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It's unpopular because it deals less damage? lol

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 4:23 PM

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🙂 persuade me otherwise

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 4:24 PM

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having 3 ss is not unpopular, at least for m+

vast forum Nov 24, 2019, 5:02 PM

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3ss is the best for m+ and short st fights

idle ember Nov 24, 2019, 6:06 PM

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Not sure if this is an assassination question but likely since we're one of the chosen ones. Does anyone have any tips for survivability in the delirium realm? We have a pack of moon kins in group 2 so I dont live long but I was combining cloak with zandalar regeneration for a full health bar in <4 seconds. Is it worthwhile to reforge azerite to shielding traits over speed? I'm just trying to grab every ounce of health without sacrificing damage output.

shut garnet Nov 24, 2019, 6:07 PM

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if you struggle to survive in delirium keep cloak and evasion

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and pop them round idk, 5s into delirium?

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also use leeching poison instead of cheat death

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Tell your moonkins to slow dps KEKW

idle ember Nov 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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The night before both shadowpriests were gone and I went down with 2 destro warlocks in group 1, I'll take what I can get.

main rune Nov 24, 2019, 6:14 PM

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How important is Haste? i usually do m10+ or pvp

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:15 PM

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haste isn't that good in M+

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#pvp for pvp advice

idle ember Nov 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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Yup.

main rune Nov 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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vel, when is haste good? only raid?

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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the more target you introduce, the less good haste is

main rune Nov 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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does it make poison tick faster or only energy generation?

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:16 PM

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in pvp it's probably good, assuming 2s/3s

idle ember Nov 24, 2019, 6:17 PM

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Havent reached the next echo yet and I burn through both my pot and stone. Thinking I should only use them for the echos in the future.

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:18 PM

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You're on first echo and you're dying?

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How early are you going in

idle ember Nov 24, 2019, 6:24 PM

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Not dying before echo. Just want to be in longer.

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:25 PM

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Well for the first echo you will naturally want to come up, as your group is going up as well

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to drop stacks

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then you go in before 2nd echo

fathom wyvern Nov 24, 2019, 6:27 PM

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so on azshara what trinket combo do i wanna run?`

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:30 PM

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coral for sure

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and you can see for yourself between font and inkpod

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 6:30 PM

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Coral ink/font

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I found font to work really well

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Other people use inkpod

quasi pewter Nov 24, 2019, 6:34 PM

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raidlead literally inting my logs by not bloodlusting on pull on ashvane

fathom wyvern Nov 24, 2019, 6:40 PM

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its progression so guess inkpod is a bit easier to play?

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but then... do i save all coral stacks for inkpod or do i use them for each vendetta?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 6:40 PM

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Use w each vend

fathom wyvern Nov 24, 2019, 6:41 PM

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aight

sand whale Nov 24, 2019, 6:43 PM

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font is easy to play or maybe I just don't see why it's harder 😛 font has good timings especially if you're missing some burst damage at certain points but if you're not then it won't really matter. The way I saw it was font was better for progression

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font + bote was crucial for us at the time so dependant on your raid set up

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 6:48 PM

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As a general rule do we need mastery and Crit for M+?

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:48 PM

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yes

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Inkpod is better tosecure a kill in p4

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 6:49 PM

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@sand whale inkpod is just no brain stack crit and convert to make it crit

quasi pewter Nov 24, 2019, 6:49 PM

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then again p4 is easiest so maybe font to push more difficult phases

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:50 PM

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But just make it easier then 🤔

polar cape Nov 24, 2019, 6:56 PM

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Depend on comp and if you struggle on mistress imo

slow mountain Nov 24, 2019, 6:56 PM

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are you better off using TB at 5 combo points or holding it

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 6:56 PM

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It's okay to waste cp when using tb

shy axle Nov 24, 2019, 7:00 PM

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@strange python crit > vers=mast. Some even say get ~ 10 - 12% (unsure about the exact number)haste to have that 1 rupture less to secure ereg

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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No, never do that with haste

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aslong as u have blood the minor does it for you.

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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how come vers=mast🤔🤔

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 7:01 PM

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Yeh idk about that one

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vers is a bit after

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It's not bad, but it's not as good as mast.

shy axle Nov 24, 2019, 7:05 PM

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idk too, was stated here by the people that answer every question. Good to know regarding bote

strange python Nov 24, 2019, 7:13 PM

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@shy axle thanks

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 7:25 PM

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@shy axle i mean versa is far from bad and if u do high keys versa is also good for defense but

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Mastery is way better dmg wise

shy axle Nov 24, 2019, 7:34 PM

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yes thats what i thought too, it just got mentioned here that it "is now vers = mast" like in the pins. I am just playing and not following the discussion everyday but like Ct, things can change very fast and suddenly everyone is on it. Imagined it to be a kind of similar case here

latent gazelle Nov 24, 2019, 7:38 PM

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I’ve seen it said that crit>mast>=vers because of fok but 🤷‍♂️

pale heart Nov 24, 2019, 8:05 PM

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i'm confused, which essences are considered best for m+?
every guide says use the iris, but everyone in here says to use blood (considering everything is lvl3)

drifting cloud Nov 24, 2019, 8:07 PM

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what guide would that be

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afaik the only up to date assa m+ guide is on icy veins by seli

pale heart Nov 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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there's mystler's essence guide on whead

autumn badge Nov 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Is the Raidbot stat weights trustworthy?

rigid mango Nov 24, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Use top gear

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Just use blood + lucid + pp/strife/vop

pale heart Nov 24, 2019, 8:09 PM

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k, thanks

tropic ocean Nov 24, 2019, 8:21 PM

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@latent gazelle i mean I guess it heavily depends on your stat weights

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but for me even with close to 60% mastery in 6 targets sim tells me mastery >> vers (thats with 3 ss 2/3eb)

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need to take into consideration that you also get a lot of vers by conflict and lucid

latent gazelle Nov 24, 2019, 8:27 PM

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Yeah that’s true. Don’t have r3 CnS yet so that may be why vers is closer to mastery for me. My gear has very low vers overall anyways so could be another reason

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I’ve got a few high ilvl vers/mastery pieces I could use but I stick with my crit/mast pieces because crit

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 11:53 PM

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are there any abilities that you dont need on your action bar for pve?

scarlet sequoia Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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feint

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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already getting clogged up with all the abilities you get

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no feint for pve?

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Do you know you can expand your action bars

scarlet sequoia Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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doesnt do damage

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 11:54 PM

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Bro somebody stop this man

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but he gets someone hurt

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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I have 2 full bars for every class I have but this one already has 2 full bars at level 70

arctic walrus Nov 24, 2019, 11:55 PM

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Do you mind showing a pic

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 11:57 PM

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📎 WoWScrnShot_112419_235545.jpg

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first 2 are for toxic blade and CT

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gonna have cloak of shadows at 80 no clue where to put it

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and azerite traits at 120

scarlet sequoia Nov 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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surely ure trolling bro

covert belfry Nov 24, 2019, 11:59 PM

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???

scarlet sequoia Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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if u dont like having more than 24 abilities then rogue isnt for u

covert belfry Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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lmfao

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im asking which abilities you regularly use all the time

scarlet sequoia Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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all of them

covert belfry Nov 25, 2019, 12:00 AM

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and it's definitely not 24

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raiding and m+

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abilities you'd use regularly???

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when the fuck are you using pickpocket

scarlet sequoia Nov 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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well ye u can remove that

sand whale Nov 25, 2019, 12:01 AM

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stealing the loot off the boss

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just place the less used shit like apply poisons on another side actionbar or something

young portal Nov 25, 2019, 12:02 AM

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Bang cloak where apply poisons is

meager nebula Nov 25, 2019, 12:04 AM

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should have distract on there too

young portal Nov 25, 2019, 12:04 AM

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Tricks should be bound somewhere as well

quasi pewter Nov 25, 2019, 12:05 AM

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you can use modifiers aswell and save some space

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sap/blind is on same slot for me for example

scarlet sequoia Nov 25, 2019, 12:17 AM

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guess he gave up, 24+ buttons too much 😦

sand whale Nov 25, 2019, 12:22 AM

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my mind was like "sin doesn't have THAT many buttons"

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you all proved me wrong

worn cloak Nov 25, 2019, 12:39 AM

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you can macro up some buttons to save up on action bar slots

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if you use modifiers or conditions

true nexus Nov 25, 2019, 1:24 AM

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you can certainly have less clutter inyour bars

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and also use smart modifiers and such

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 1:47 AM

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@covert belfry i use way more buttons than that - around 35, you can use your stealth abilities from stealth bar, so you can put shroud sap cheap shot on buttons that only show when stealthed for example

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for most things I have 12 macro buttons on mouse which give me access to 24 actions (12 normally, 12 other ones while holding ctrl)

cerulean walrus Nov 25, 2019, 1:53 AM

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You can also use shift

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So 36

drifting cosmos Nov 25, 2019, 2:21 AM

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You guys must be pro, never remembered using that many buttons as sin

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:08 AM

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Not sure it makes you pro or not using many buttons, it makes your actions faster though - and there are plenty of actions a rogue frequently uses

nocturne gate Nov 25, 2019, 3:09 AM

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u can use buttons like q e r f t y x c v aswell + modifier like i did bc i had a long time just a mouse with 2 buttons :o

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:27 AM

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How do you guys feel about running CLF major > BOTE for azshara prog. Were in P2 rn so idk how hard the p3 damage will be but from what I hear sicne the nerf its not really a dps check anymore, which is the only reason we wanted bote in the first place

mild obsidian Nov 25, 2019, 4:14 AM

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do we still need 20% haste?

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 4:15 AM

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No

mild obsidian Nov 25, 2019, 4:18 AM

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k good because Im at 13 lol

coral pawn Nov 25, 2019, 5:15 AM

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Do we have any info on 8.3 yet? Essences, trinkets, traits?

inner sonnet Nov 25, 2019, 6:16 AM

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Essences and traits are likely to remain similar, trinkets we don’t know yet

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It enough testing has been done with them to know

dark crag Nov 25, 2019, 8:11 AM

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The dmg check on azshara are the sacrificing adds and the 3 casters

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Add 1 and 2 must die, add 3 not that fast

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 10:30 AM

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@plain moon its not only the adds, its also good to skip beckons and just lines up so greatly in the fight

bright axle Nov 25, 2019, 11:38 AM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 25, 2019, 11:38 AM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 12:02 PM

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if you do explosives as sin you play the spec wrong

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😄

halcyon gull Nov 25, 2019, 1:55 PM

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So... the people I play m+ with doesn't want me to play assa because outlaw is op (basically). And also because we chain-pull a lot. Any talent/azerite build that works better with this? Going 3x SS isn't really prefered!

vast forum Nov 25, 2019, 1:56 PM

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Play outlaw blobshrug

halcyon gull Nov 25, 2019, 1:56 PM

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But it's fucking boring compared to assa 😦

vast forum Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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You wanna push keys or have fun?

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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just play higher amounts of eb

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Best build right now is 3xSS, your tank has to pull around you

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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realistically groups who don't know what's happening and are 'chain pulling' are usually just losing time

vast forum Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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If you want fun, play whatever you want, don't care about your team

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Either they deal with it or you go outlaw

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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you can play without 3ss very easily

halcyon gull Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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Thanks! Will tell me, aggressively tell em!

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 1:57 PM

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and you can also play without dropping combat very easily

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it's just like.. kinda suboptimal, not even just for assassination but for everyone if you're actually using potions

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unless your route is well designed the majority of 'chaining' people do is just wasteful

vast forum Nov 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Depends how you chainpull

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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with obvious exceptions like peacekeepers

vast forum Nov 25, 2019, 1:59 PM

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Chainpulling while mobs are at 10% hp is wasteful

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Chainpulling while mobs are at 50% is good

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For example in ur, pull some blobs with a bloodswarmer and a lasher, focus swarmer, as soon as it's dead, regardless of other mob hp, it's safe to chainpull

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 2:09 PM

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yeah, it's not like chaining is bad i'd just say it's done badly very often

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and to answer the question something like 2ss1bbi3eb is probably fine

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 2:10 PM

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How did you know I was about to ask that

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 2:10 PM

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if you don't have that gear just aim for 1ss/abunchofeb/stat traits or something similar if you're not dropping combat frequently

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 2:11 PM

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Why not go MA+3eb+3ttk so you don’t have to restealth at all

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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ma still requires stealth

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only time you'd ever do something like that is if you're getting 0 restealths all dungeon

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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Well you can vanish for it

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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and if that's the case you just need to

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leave party

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subterfuge would probably still be more overall with 0ss even if you were only getting vanish stealths

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 2:12 PM

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What is the best build for siege?

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1ss?

strange python Nov 25, 2019, 2:47 PM

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while keeping spotter half the dungeon or not?

fervent jasper Nov 25, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Theres this super pad build where you run 3x EB, Master assassin, and Hidden blades. You burst like 400k or something stupid like that and at the same time accomplish literally nothing

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But it's super fun to play lol

modest tendon Nov 25, 2019, 2:50 PM

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Ss is useless when you keep the spotter alive

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Assa is aoe pad build spec though

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Just ss does more damage overall

fervent jasper Nov 25, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Not like I described lol

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Like the goal of the build is to pad

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 2:51 PM

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Ss will beat out any other build on the boss fights

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 2:54 PM

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@tropic ocean right now I use blood on start of p1, start of p2, then not at that point in the fight but the plan was first and third add of p3 then at some point of p4 when vend is up. Is there a beckon skip that this is effecting that clf won’t. Just seems like I lose single target damage just so I can do more to third add

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I guess I just lose it on first p3 add, which sort of matters

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 2:55 PM

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You don’t use blood on third adds

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 2:55 PM

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it comes down to your raid dps

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 2:55 PM

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You get 2 uses in the last phase

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 2:56 PM

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But you never bote 3rd add

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You bote 2x azshara

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With bote in p2 u can also bote+vanish+vendetta

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Ur clf wont be ready

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and you cant delay vendetta

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(It comes a little bit down to raid dps as well, for me I still have 5-8sec vendetta cd when azshara becomes active) 🤷🏼‍♀️

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clf is superior in a patchwerk fight, but azshara isnt, doing as much dmg as possible inside the dps windows is key

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:03 PM

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Taking blood frees up having to use iris as well

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:04 PM

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You use it as a minor > conflict

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:04 PM

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Hm?

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:05 PM

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Sorry typo

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:05 PM

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The haste Provided will inherently be less valuable due to Target switching and bleed count. Which means you favor strife

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Blood works better with strife

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:06 PM

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Yeah that’s what I’ve been losing

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The way I looked at clf major was I would use on pull with vend, at some point in p2 without vend, and at some point p4 (maybe with or without vend, idk how it will line up) so all I lose is p3 damage for more p2 and p4

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:08 PM

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you lose p4 dmg as well

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:08 PM

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No it would’ve been Hold for p1

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Use on p2

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Then p4

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So already you can see just how less you get out of it

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:08 PM

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you cant line it with ur cds and u dont get 2 usages in the kill boss phase

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:09 PM

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There was a talk here awhile ago where people were saying 1clf useage > 2 bote for pure ST

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So assumed I would gain p4 damage

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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azshara is not pure st

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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if all you're missing in the entire fight is p4 dmg clf is superior

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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And its also a fight where you have downtime

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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P4 damage doesn’t matter anymore

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:10 PM

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but yeah, that really won't be the case

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:11 PM

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When I progged it we needed the p4 damage and I could afford to go clf cuz we didn’t have 2nd minors yet

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:11 PM

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Well the times I use clf it’s on ST points in the fight. Except if I have boss downtime

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:11 PM

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But now blood is far more superior for that fight

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:11 PM

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ur bote also hits 2-3 targets on at least half its usages

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:13 PM

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What else is it hitting? I use it on both p1 adds and then I guess it hits tide + myrm

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:13 PM

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First usage both adds 3rd usage tide+azshara+myrmidon, 4th usage add+azshara

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Maybe even myrmidon

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:18 PM

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During the first tide I don’t put any damage into azshara or myrm though right. So hitting them only matters for the bit of damage it does on use then whatever bleeds I have still ticking in azshara

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:18 PM

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U should have bleeds and poison up on azshara and myrmidon during that phase

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:19 PM

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really depends how tight it is

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 3:19 PM

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While/after decree u dot azshara myrmidon asap when it spawns

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So everything is running on them while tide is up

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and the major of blood is big so hit as many mobs as possible with it

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(They also take more dmg from the dots on them then)

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:25 PM

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Yeah, thanks for answering guys. Just thought I would be gaining p4 dps for the cost of p3 dps. And thought it might be worth since nerf. From watching thought p4 was ptchwerky enough that it would be better

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:26 PM

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Bote is such an overall bigger increase that you really can’t skip on it

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Your personal choice of an essence won’t be impactful enough between a kill and not, when specifically looking at p4

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:28 PM

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p3 is the only relevant part of the boss

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in terms of what kind of damage you deal when at least

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:30 PM

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Yeah, haven’t got there yet but seems the raid leaders plan is me and a mage + maybe one or two extra people on first tide and rest in second so I guess tony damage there is the most important it will ever be

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:31 PM

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generally you'll just start by overkilling the first ad by like 7 trillion

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and then peel stuff back slowly

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till you're barely killing it in time

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 3:31 PM

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Aslong as you skip the beckons at the end of p2, and then do tidemistresses

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Those're the only dps checks there are now

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:34 PM

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Yeah, sadly we’re not making that beckon check for p2

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:34 PM

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i don't even think it's important to beat beckons as long as you know you'll get th em, they can pretty much be instantly broken if people are paying attention

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it's kinda messy but it's doable

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Beckons aren’t the end of the world

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But yeah it’s nice to skip

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:36 PM

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Yeah, I’ve been saying use lust on p2 prog then by the time we need to move our lust to p4 hopefully everybody is more comfortable and we’re able to make that check but raid doesn’t seem to want to

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:37 PM

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Its better to get in the habit of pushing without the lust

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You should be potting in p2 if you can’t push

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Yeah we moved pots to p2 but it’s not been enough

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:38 PM

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Are you tanking on console

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How much ST damage do you sacrifice to kill devoted adds

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Can your ranged hit boss while soaking?

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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0 frost dk gamers rise up

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Questions you can be asking

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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At the start of p2 she’s in the middle then after adds she’s moved to the console

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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generally you'll see stuff that can be changed like

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fel barrage

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but that's down to your raid lead really

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to figure out who's not doing shit

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:39 PM

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Is she tanked very close to the console

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So ranged are inactive while soaking

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:40 PM

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You mean ranged are suppose to be able to hit boss while soaking console stacks?

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:46 PM

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And there you have it we figured out why u can’t phase

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She needs to be slightly away from the console and ranged can have los

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If she’s too close, console blocks them, so you drop a toooon of damage

hidden bay Nov 25, 2019, 3:55 PM

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do we pool energy?

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:56 PM

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I’d have to ask a ranged if they can. But was never something I thought about

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 3:58 PM

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Just go to a log and look at p2 damage

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See who’s slacking

small crypt Nov 25, 2019, 3:59 PM

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why does almost everyone play a combo of 1x blightborne 1x ttk 1x np and at least 2/3x dd (1x loyal) even though np sims way higher than ttk for example

plain moon Nov 25, 2019, 3:59 PM

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Are you still able to drop arcane stacks on that side of the console if the boss is positioned like that or do you have to go to the other side

royal lantern Nov 25, 2019, 4:00 PM

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@hidden bay yes, we pool energy for toxic blade

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:00 PM

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Are you looking at herodamage or something

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You drop your stacks when you’re first moving to console and then again when los-ing

rancid delta Nov 25, 2019, 4:01 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 25, 2019, 4:01 PM

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https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
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cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:01 PM

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save energy for shadowlands

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 4:04 PM

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@small crypt because of the pieces they're on

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:04 PM

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@small crypt because of the pieces you are limited to

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Lul

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 4:04 PM

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Third ring trait, aka OP

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Carries the pieces

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So that ttk looks better than NP even though it wouldn't be, in a 1 on 1

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:05 PM

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If you could choose freely what to combine ud prolly pick 3dd 3op 1 np 1bbi 1loyal

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:06 PM

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i'd play 6bbi

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:06 PM

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😂

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atm im not sure we will even keep playing bbi

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New raid trait seems very potent

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:07 PM

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no we wont cuz it is 10 levels lower than the highest ilvl available

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e v e n t u a l l y

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and ye heart of darkness, good or bad?

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:08 PM

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it seems as good sd treachorous was but

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Might as well get nerfed too

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Else I guess it‘ll be 1np rest heart of darkness with dd stack

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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If its good we’ll just be the new frost dks

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Running x3 raid traits

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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the 485 shoulders from nzoth are like

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elewhirl gamer shoulders

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prolly still better but a long way off and probably not even better

small crypt Nov 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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yea but would'nt it be better to replace the blackwater shimmerscales ttk and loyal with the spymasters wrap for an extra np and dd?

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:10 PM

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n o

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or everyone would do it

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:11 PM

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Overwhelming power

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It’s huge

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:11 PM

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op is basically worth more than a primary ring trait

small crypt Nov 25, 2019, 4:11 PM

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ait

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:11 PM

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(well not quite, but close enough)

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and ttk isn't that bad really, it's just not ideal

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:11 PM

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monkaHMM

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:12 PM

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both of the 485 pieces are whirl pieces actually

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that's depressing

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:13 PM

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yo @cobalt pelican i agree it is sad, but ilvls being 10 higher that would create a vacuum where all other pieces arent used? I'm not sure what you mean by "prolly still better but a long way off and probably not even better" WAT

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:13 PM

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idk what you're asking or saying my dude

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:13 PM

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WAT

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:14 PM

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oh i see i write kinda like a moron sometimes but it's totally interprettable

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i imagine that the 10th boss shoulders will be +/- not much from nzoth shoulders at 485 if the raid trait is good

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like, a super negligible amount if any

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:16 PM

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Pretty sure the 10 ilvl will be a lot superior

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the scaling per ilvl on azerite is big

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:17 PM

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true and while i dont have any data to support it, thats true 4head

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:17 PM

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U can see it on current pieces

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I dont think theyll change scaling

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:17 PM

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What’s the traits on shoulders

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Dd np?

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:18 PM

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10ilvl on 2 good traits will be > op imo

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:18 PM

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yeah maybe

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:18 PM

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Answer my question angery

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:18 PM

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it's ddnp(or raid)whirl on 485s

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and npraidop on 475

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:19 PM

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especially when 475 has no dd

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:19 PM

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We’ll just end up going goraks again

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:19 PM

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omegalul

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:20 PM

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Dd bbi op will be better than np ele and 10 lvls

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Because we already seeing 435 goraks being better than mythic shoulders

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:20 PM

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if the raid trait is good you prolly just play them anyway

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but it's kinda irrelevant since that's the last boss

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:20 PM

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In that case then yes run the ele

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:21 PM

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and it's guaranteed that gorak will be better for all of prog

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maybe if you're never lucky (like me) you have to decide between the heroic versions for progress

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 4:21 PM

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i ended up rolling goraks on my third attempt at shoulders

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so i spent 150k

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:22 PM

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It took me awhile to get them this tier

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Hopefully next tier is different

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:25 PM

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i still don't have smilingface

arctic walrus Nov 25, 2019, 4:26 PM

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I got them mid azshara prog lmao

cobalt pelican Nov 25, 2019, 4:27 PM

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there's a 0.2% difference between gorak without bbi @ 465 and tentacle laced @ 475 in my current gear

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so i guess if the raid trait is worse than dd (it probably will be) then you'll always play heroic nzoth over heroic 10th

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guess janky ass sims like these are always subject to a lot of change as stat budgets inflate really hard

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but yea

gloomy steppe Nov 25, 2019, 4:42 PM

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Is razor coral worth on Queen's Court when I'm spending a lot of time attacking different target?

edgy pawn Nov 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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you shouldnt be spending a lot of time attacking a different target

royal lantern Nov 25, 2019, 4:43 PM

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you always attack 1 guy except refreshing bleeds when sstep is up

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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as melee you should always attack the melee mob (the one that does the shield)

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and only switch to pashmar with shadowstep or when you need to move to him

gloomy steppe Nov 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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Hm... ok, I played it wrong then. I switched targets on CD of sh step

dark crag Nov 25, 2019, 4:44 PM

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I am happy engi hat has dd on it

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:45 PM

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yeah you use shadowstep to dot the other mob

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so when the fight starts you open on the mob you dont stay with (pashmar for example) then u dot and vendetta the other mob until vendetta is over

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u redot your target, shadowstep pashmar dot him and stay with him until ss is off cd, you always repeat this procedure

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and dot the other mob whenever u have a chance (spark movement for example)

gloomy steppe Nov 25, 2019, 4:48 PM

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Well, that's pretty much how I played it on opener. But that's means I'm using coral on melee mob with vendetta, but then spend a lot of time on Pashmar. Also we have tons of melee, so I tend to go to Pashmar on 1st isolation phase

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 4:56 PM

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dots can apply razor stacks too no?

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you will have 90%+ dps uptime on both mobs so it doesn't really matter, and you should use coral on your main target mob (the one you will use your vendettas on)

gloomy steppe Nov 25, 2019, 5:01 PM

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Thanks for your help, I'll keep it in mind

tropic ocean Nov 25, 2019, 5:03 PM

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if you really want to push it u can also use the moments when you have no energy or pool to go to the other mob and dps him

brave vector Nov 25, 2019, 5:18 PM

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!wa

prisma monolithBOT Nov 25, 2019, 5:18 PM

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Assassination WA's for BFA:
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

turbid osprey Nov 25, 2019, 9:53 PM

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yo can melee get targeted by charge on QC?

drifting cloud Nov 25, 2019, 9:54 PM

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no

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 9:54 PM

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Nope

turbid osprey Nov 25, 2019, 9:57 PM

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ty

frail sand Nov 25, 2019, 10:12 PM

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what do you guys think about the azerite for assassin from next raid?(if they dont change it)

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 10:15 PM

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Really dope for raid, really shit for m+

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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is it aoe-based or single target

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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Huh?

frail sand Nov 25, 2019, 10:16 PM

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hopefully for singeltarget

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i play sin for singeltarget and outlaw for multi

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 10:17 PM

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same

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 10:17 PM

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Since the raid trait is supposedly insane, there's really good pieces

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Looking like you wont need a single residuum piece for raid

icy ember Nov 25, 2019, 10:17 PM

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heart of darkness right?

drifting cloud Nov 25, 2019, 10:17 PM

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wait what changed that made it insane

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wasnt it like 80 stats last time

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 10:18 PM

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Since it scales w neck etc

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From what I hear, people are saying it's insanely good 😄

drifting cloud Nov 25, 2019, 10:18 PM

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other traits dont scale with neck right?

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interesting, yeah if it has any extra scaling on top of it should be really good

rigid mango Nov 25, 2019, 10:19 PM

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All traits do, don't they?