I don't think it does
#assassination
marble hemlock
Twist latent corruption into a socket
is the text
but yeah, we will see i guess
rigid mango
I didn't see anything special when I looked at it when people were showing on pbe
ptr*
rough agate
wheres the currency to buy it from, the visions?
rigid mango
It'll just take a long long while to get to it as the tokens you need are farmable through these invasions, but you need to spend tokens on upgrading stuff to be able to do the invasions better and get more tokens from them, rinse repeat until you can farm out tokens and get yourself sockets.
Yeah those vision thingies, anyways #wow-general I realised just now
Way too late.
rough agate
I was gonna make a joke about it and @ you but i dont wanna be banned or something
royal lantern
i dont think zine can ban people 
rough agate
lol yeah but the clout!
rigid mango
I can perma mute you 
waxen cobalt
2eb 1ttk
woeful jungle
do both of the damage portions of eb stack?
edgy pawn
Yes
sinful marsh
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
proper nest
what are the best stats for assa ? bc on the site it says haste more than crit for ST but if i sim it, i need more crit
cyan loom
quickets way to gear up from 400 ilvl?
gusty mirage
M+
cyan loom
ive been playing too much fkln classic
gusty mirage
if you have a group of friends to carry you through 10s you can get close to, if not over 430 pretty quick
cyan loom
all my mates play classic 😦
strange python
how good is the leatherworking gear looking next patch?
hidden bay
got 450 belt with socket today, 10 dps upgrade over benthic 
gusty mirage
@strange python I haven't checked the PTR in a while, but when I do I'll let you know. I do know that we'll be able to craft 470 pants & boots in 8.3
plush remnant
What's best essences for raid? worldvein seems to sim higher but most rogues running lucid and iris as minors
plain moon
Worldvein is a bait
grave elk
ive been running keys with 2 SS and 3 tk plus 1 NP. I could swap in the rupture boosting agi trait with another ss. I still have consistently pulled 35k and up thru all my runs so far. Is this bad for m+? it is kinda sweet having good priority dmg
shut garnet
yeah 35k is pretty bad
if you're playing no EB traits you have 0 aoe dmg
you should play at least 1
and NP is also really bad in m+_
try aiming for 3ss 2eb 1ttk
or 3ss 1 eb 1ttk 1bbi
drifting cloud
35k is definetly not "pretty bad"
zenith gust
Depends on key level tbh
woeful jungle
ideal stat distribution for m+?
jaunty crystal
35k is way above average in any 10-15 pug tbh.
zenith gust
Low haste 6-10
@hidden bay for real? I got 455 socketed gloves and benthic still sim clearly better 😡
drifting cloud
its probably the azshara belt
tropic ocean
idk 35k overall is pretty low not sure how you come up with way above average - unless were talking logged dps
strange python
do i need 2 daggers for sin or can i use something else in the offhand?
meager nebula
need 2
strange python
ty
woeful jungle
@zenith gust how do you get enough energy with only that much haste? I'm running 15 atm and it feels like I'm often waiting a sec or two between FoKs
brave vector
Keeping bleeds on things
You become energy neutral by having at least 4 bleeds up in aoe (gaining as much as you spend)
woeful jungle
sorry rogue is just my alt im getting ready for 8.3 but is there another passive that grants us energy per bleed aside from the rupture refund on death one?
brave vector
Yes
Venomous wounds is a passive we have
Bleed ticks on poisoned targets have a chance of giving us energy back
Only garrote and rupture ticks tho, bleed from crimson tempest and internal bleeding don't count
woeful jungle
oh wow thanks. i cant believe i missed such a crucial part lol
tropic ocean
@brave vector afaik internal bleeding does proc venomous wounds
heavy haven
i see people running coral for azshara. how are you using it in the beginning? it goes away during intermission
cobalt pelican
use it before you get to the intermission
usually on some hulk you want more damage on or when the bosses are back together so you have 4 bleeds up doesn't really matter
brave vector
Yeah looks like it says it in the tooltip if you have it specced @tropic ocean I stand corrected
grave trail
got zaqul helm finallyyyyy FEELSGOODMAN
neat estuary
@heavy haven i use on the melee boss on pull stack up and use it for 2nd hulk
@heavy haven then on azshara as she spawns ofc, depending on your raid dps you can either use it early to squeeze in a bit more dps to meet the dps check or save it for 1st add p3 (around 16 stacks at that point)
umbral folio
I played on azshara myth with inkpod yesterday and it didnt do damage on azshara
hasty hamlet
how is versa good for assa rogue ?
umbral folio
u need few % only
hasty hamlet
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
modest tendon
@umbral folio there isn’t a specific amount of versa you need?
modest tendon
Where does it say that?
umbral folio
On stats weight
modest tendon
Stat weights are dogshit, top gear is god
You might be right in that 4% versa is optimal or whatever
But that’s not the point
umbral folio
It's always same
modest tendon
Top gear is god
umbral folio
If u have 0 verse and 440+ gear, simcraft will say u that u need more verse
modest tendon
If top gear wants you to wear your versa gear, wear your versa gear that’s all that matters
rigid mango
Yeah, so in your situation, it wants vers. Saying vers is required is wrong.
Vers is by no mean bad or unwanted, just never required.
It's the highest simming stat in the top end sims too, iirc.
modest tendon
@hasty hamlet update
umbral folio
Link ur sim
hasty hamlet
like you get versa from benthic arent you ?
rigid mango
Vers is good for both benthic and clf
modest tendon
Just trust top gear ember
hasty hamlet
thank you sir 
umbral folio
I didn't say you should have exactly 4%
I said that simcraft says that u always need few % versa in good gear
modest tendon
There isn’t a quota or a soft cap or whatever, it depends on the individual
Sure it might be right
But the point is you shouldn’t go out of yo it way for versa if you have another piece that sims higher that doesn’t have versa
Hence why top gear >stat weights
shrewd night
The correct answer for all gearing and stat questions is always - sim it. Anyone saying different is doing you a disservice.
Especially when it comes to stat caps, which has been dead for a good while.
jaunty arrow
Dunno but when i do top gear with gems atc and after statw is kinda balanced 🤔
modest tendon
Who knows, don’t stat weights change depending on the scenario though?
Like if you have a specific buff or something
Doesn’t that make them insanely complicated?
Or for multi target
Sounds like a nightmare
umbral folio
Sure it changes
modest tendon
Does stat weights account for different scenarios?
Oo it does actually
Meh
Top gear is always the answer
stuck knoll
The easy answer is
Why would you want to waste your time simming twice
When you can sim once on top gear and forget stat weights
lethal heart
there is very little point in simming stat weights nowadays with top gear
i guess stat weights can give you general idea what to go for
but it changes so much when you change 1 essence/1 trait (which is loyal in assa rogue case)
jaunty arrow
Coz we have vip acc in guild and u cant sim all at once
I am not saying its necessery but why not 🤔
lethal heart
yea sure
simming is so easy nowadays can run many combinations/different setups
lets you understand spec/essence choices more
rigid mango
Just usable for understanding how certain traits, essences or trinkets impact your weights
But for gear choice it's just inferior and misleading for a lot.
jaunty arrow
For gear its a rly bad idea use statw but for geming, i like to check statw after that
modest tendon
For what purpose?
rigid mango
Top gear is better for gemming any everything, really.
radiant dragon
Hi everyone, can u say something about my rogue gear and stats. Should i change something? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aY4o9TrkvzoQuRSeRGGSeE
granite rampart
worst in slot shoulders, no benthic, mediocre main hand weapon
rigid mango
Yes, elaborate planning instead of master poisoner
granite rampart
and that
modest tendon
Master poisoner is only weapon poisons right?
That’s why it’s meh
If it was all poisons it would be sick
modest tendon
Only weapon poisons
radiant dragon
I should change talent for elaborate planning. And change weapon on main hand
Right?
modest tendon
Yes
modest tendon
Read the conversation from like 30 minutes ago
modest tendon
Np 🙂
arctic socket
heavy haven
@neat estuary thanks!
rotund mural
Using guardian of azeroth in MA window means anything? is it useful/better?
civic palm
The opposite of useful/better.
rotund mural
ahhh thank god, ty so much xD
civic palm
You've got important things to stab in that time.
rigid mango
You use it in between your two MA windows in opener
rotund mural
opening with mutilate-rupture-mutilate is the best yeah?
neat estuary
if you have 2cp after the first mutilate, just call a wipe
rotund mural
hahahhaha so true xD
tame basin
Guys, do you know if in 8.3 Assa should still be top choice for raiding?
modest tendon
🤷
marble hemlock
There doesn't seem to be a reason why the current meta would change.
Assa is easy to play, requires little focus and allows you to watch out for other stuff.
modest tendon
A lot of bosses look like cleave fights
arctic socket
Name a spec hard to play in wow 😂
modest tendon
So outlaw
rigid mango
Outlaw can have uses, yeah.
rigid mango
But odds are sin is still the go-to prog spec.
modest tendon
So it looks fine
tame basin
@arctic socket elemental with Icefury is quite complicated if you want to get prio list right
marble hemlock
Sub requires much more focus, uptime and when mismanaging your cooldowns punishes you way more for it - just an example.
tame basin
Ok, thanks 🙂
arctic socket
Just play sub for pvp I haven’t seen any rogues able to actually do 30k deeps as sub but ye if you mismanage you going to suck
tame basin
I thought that Assa is still top spec for pvp as well
or comparable to Sub in 2v2 situation
marble hemlock
Nah, with the WQ and mechagon trinket, sub burst potential is so huge that its way better imo
tame basin
what is WQ?
marble hemlock
worldquest
tame basin
which one?
scarlet sequoia
assa is still better for pvp yes
arctic socket
3s I would say sin 2s sub is very nice for setups and damage in pvp hella better than Pve
Sub is still viable depending on combo
tame basin
I was starting to climb to get 2.4k rate as Assa but maybe I should switch to sub
scarlet sequoia
no lol
arctic socket
Sub is a somewhat skill cap pvp class stay with Assassin
marble hemlock
i think tis the vial of storms @tame basin
scarlet sequoia
trunksy bro
silk stump
with Font and coral for raid when do i use both? font pre pull coral when i can, after that when i use again coral or font?
hushed maple
Well always use font, when you can channel completely
For the coral, I don't know. I am wondering my self, if you use that thing on cd or max stacks
distant lava
1 I don't even know if coral has max stacks
2
it's written in the pins
and there's a more in depth explanation in #tc-updates
rigid mango
where it says go to tc updates
neat estuary
@distant lava not sure about max stacks but crit kinda soft caps as most stats i guess ... meaning if you use it at 25 stacks you might be around 75-80%, if you use it at 35 stacks you might end up at 80-83%
so it decays quite heavily
i usualy just line it with my CDs
opener with font of power and complete set of CDs, then use ashvane as it comes off the CDs from the font of power usage
next round of CDs you use font of power, wait a bit to line up your burst window in the 10s overlap of font of power + ashvane (with usualy around 15-20 stacks)
i believe that should be the correct usage, but feel free to correct me if i'm wrong
i could go into more detail if you have a specific bossfight in mind
rigid mango
Idk where you're even going with this, isn't all this a given if you read the pins?
Even sounds as if you're doing font coral a bit wrong.
steady owl
So I’m using hood of the slithering loa and gorak tul’s, right now I use swirling sands and bbi but if I use np on gorak’s I do 63 more dps which is not much. Should I use no or bbi?
I feel like I could be unlucky with procs with two crit traits but I could also be lucky
winter gale
Just that
rigid mango
Feel free to ask that where it should be.
winter gale
Ok
wispy iron
hey guys, the overhelming power is just overrated in sim ? or its that powerfull as well in reality ? as I was a bit surprised that it would prioritize 435 azerite with OP instead of the other 450 without, still my pieces are not the best as I just recently returned back, but maybe someone can give me some insight, thanks .... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rNko3pngy1i3YFNiZL1Fxw
rigid mango
Yes it's broken.-
strange python
Is vision major getting good next patch?
rigid mango
We'll have to see, most likely not.
crimson terrace
if im trying to build an azerite set mostly for M+ but with decent ST to take to raid, is TTK the strongest trait to seek? I currently have 2x SS/EB, 1x NP, 1x DD.
I just dont play enough to have separate sets, lol
vast forum
SS is your best balance trait between raid and m+
you just have to play with subterfuge then
@strange python problem with vision major is that the minor desyncs vanish from vendetta
crimson terrace
@vast forum so I think I'll get a 3rd SS then, was just hoping to replace my lowest ilvl azerite but its a piece with EB and SS
strange python
That helm is a pain in the ||ass|| to farm
keen hill
Is Matrix Restabilizer from the anniversary event any good for ST or M+?
brisk forge
[Poen's Deepsea Grips] vs [Gloves of Incomparable Beauty] 430 socket. gloves of... sims better but is itr true in real action aswell since almost everybody plays with poens?
scarlet sequoia
socket azshara gloves are better yes
but if your guilds kill timers suck dick then poens are better
at least when it comes to 430 ones
brisk forge
ah i see, we have speedy clears so should be fine then vid beauty gloves 😛
scarlet sequoia
well if fights last less than 2 min they wont proc at all so u do the math
procs every 2 min
so fights just under 2, 4, 6 etc theyre most likely worse than poens
vast forum
it doesn't reset on pull tho
you can probably make a WA for the timer
and if the fight is 2.10 you could have it proc twice
obviously, no1's gonna do that, but just saying what you CAN do
autumn slate
I need help for mythic Azshara progress. We literally just killed ZaQul and im clueless as to what essences I should use along with how I should use my CDs to make progression easier. Any hints?
arctic walrus
blood lucid strife
harsh sphinx
autumn slate
Okay, I can understand Blood and lucid, but why Strife
tropic ocean
100% uptime
autumn slate
Is there some amount of vers that makes something easier to do or is it just w/e you sim the best with
tropic ocean
Qa is not a st fight
arctic walrus
When you play blood haste loses value and strife becomes your best stat. Iris drops often in p3 because you swap a lot
tropic ocean
For most part
tropic ocean
Versa also reduces dmg taken
arctic walrus
Double dose, loyal to the end (if I have 4 members), nothing personal, blightbornes infusion
Bis setup is zaq helm gorak tuls and blackwater
fleet whale
i mean that set-up isn't bad though
wide delta
means im running atm : 3xDD, 1xNP, 1xTK and 1xSwirling Sands
the thing is that i wont be able to get blackwater for a while since my guild is extending till ash is down
arctic walrus
Meh yeah you’re set up is fine. Just not the best
worldly yarrow
Coral on Ashvane : hold until shields gives decent stacks or wait for 100% crit?
(W Vandetta when shield down, yes?)
dapper pewter
If I am going alliance should I go nightelf?
arctic walrus
Do you want to m+ or raid
dapper pewter
um both
arctic walrus
human is better in raids, and pretty okay for m+
nelf is very strong in m+, but pretty bad in raid
strange python
does hidden blades ever get better than poison bomb?
strange python
not in m+ then?
arctic walrus
something like fok has to be 20% of your overall damage to be better than either options. You have better luck consulting @marble hemlock on the matter, I am not well versed in this topic
hushed maple
Yo is there a way to fix input lag in WoW?
I feel like my input is delayed a little bit an thats annoying af
arctic walrus
So Seli it's only really ever a choice between ct and pb?
strange python
so CT and HB are garbo all the time?
CT seems like shitty version of Feral's aoe rip
marble hemlock
ct is fine if you get good use out of it
fleet whale
it can be good but for like 95% of assassin rogues PB is more than fine enough
marble hemlock
ye
cerulean kernel
Using BotE is it Ven>BotE>TB>Van>Env/Mut or Ven>TB>BotE>Van>Env/Mut or does it matter?
arctic walrus
The difference is marginal
I personally prefer Tb bote
And I would say that might be the better option
cerulean kernel
Gotcha-Most Logs show bote>TB but sims indicate TB>bote thought id ask
thnx for advice
light pebble
Hey guys, im newish to siming and when i sim my stat weights it tells me this. Most videos and other places i have looked at tell me to prio Agility and then either haste or crit. Now im not sure if im siming wrong or what stat weight im meant to use. Can anyone help me out?
light pebble
So i shouldnt be using stat weight and pawn to find out if gear is an upgrade?
light pebble
ok thanks
im also at item level 422 atm and wanted to ask if there is something like a BiS list for gear as well in retail or if its just siming the top gear?
rigid mango
Top gear.
arctic walrus
no that isn't really accurate nowadays with titanforging
I feel like mut/dd crit would be more than a tb
arctic walrus
I respect your opinion and hope it does you well 
rigid mango
I just click either one first
light pebble
is there a way to find out what gear has certain azerite traits or is it all rng?
arctic walrus
correct
light pebble
ok ty, last question, to find out what traits are best should i just be siming or is there a list of what traits are best while doing M+ dungeons?
drifting cloud
you want atleast 1 ss and 1 eb
3 ss and 2-3 eb is among the best
but its hard to get that azerite
light pebble
ok ty
simple rivet
when using vendetta, should you TB inside the ven window, or pop before
or does it not really matter? kinda confused
dapper pewter
Okay should I go night elf or Human?
inland forum
night elf is better for m+ human is better for raid
arctic walrus
@simple rivet you always vendetta first
umbral lintel
hey guys where do i check for different assassination builds?
strange python
rlly dumb question, but can some1 tell me how or where i can read how i use the coral trinket correctly on raid bosses etc.?
arctic walrus
What builds are talking about
You pair coral with vendetta
apart from the opener
wise sun
Hey guys new to assassination and I’m not really comfortable multidotting, what is the proper way to do it? Tab targeting or clicking.? And is there addons that can help?
arctic walrus
clicking nameplates or tab targeting is fine
I'd say name plates are a bit more accurate
simple rivet
Thanks @arctic walrus
sweet inlet
There a way of changing the talents Hero Damage uses so i can see whats the best combination of gear with Master Assassin instead of Subterfuge?
or any other suggestion on where to find this info.
arctic walrus
raid bots -> top gear
mighty crown
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
small rivet
Which name plate addon are you using?
restive kettle
KUI
tropic moon
yeah Kuinameplates
https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/kuinameplates
restive kettle
personally find it alot more nice to config and use than tidy plates
tropic moon
tho neatplates and platter are also good imo
plater if you like cusomization you can look around on wago.io for some stuff
has there been any testing done with the new essences on the ptr? just curious what to get once patch hits in 2020 
also am I seeing this right that this isn't unique?! will be sick lol
https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=172227/shard-of-the-black-empire&bonus=4822:1487
so 2x145k dmg over 10 sec if you are lucky with dubble proc wonder how its gona work
reef mulch
been using Plater with this profile https://wago.io/g-jp-v2zw works great imo
hushed maple
Plater is love
So to ask my question again: is there a way to fix the damn input lag in WoW? Bothers me for a while now
hoary crown
Are there any good trinkets for us stabby boiz in ny’alotha? Or is it back to the old m+ chest rng?🤔
strange python
Got it fixed, felt like the game queued spells after another for me so lowering it fixed that for me
cedar kernel
him , anyone has a good explosive weakaura?
arctic walrus
Not assassination related but also you could literally have just googled that
viscid onyx
@reef mulch 7331 do i need plater addon for that weakaura?
rigid mango
#wow-general for plate talk
strange python
!Help
arctic walrus
Whatcha need
strange python
Wanted to show the botcommands but if you ask so kindly i just got a 440 spyglass and thought it would sim better than my coral 445 and resonanting heart445 with socket but it does not on "dungeon slice(beta) or patchwork 😦
for m+
obviously
arctic walrus
Yeah so usually the spyglass would work well with the coral, however since your heart is both a higher level and comes with a socket, it will be better than a 440 base spyglass
Plus assuming you have x3 ss, the mastery from heart is pretty good too
strange python
yeah i have =/ just wanted spyglass fo so long and it warforged but it´s not enough
ty vel
arctic walrus
maiden siren
@hushed maple Run this. /dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow") What is it set to?
frosty talon
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
strange python
Hello Guys. A friend of mine told me that this logs are bad. I mean i have 0 benthics. I know Azshara isnt good tbh. Only the heroic Logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/eu/blackrock/zyrika#difficulty=4 Can anyone tell me is the perf. ok?
shy axle
are you also finishing at 4cp when fok -> finisher or always trying to cap the 5cp because fok does that much dmg with EB?
verbal knot
Yeah I have a question for Org, I am running 3 EB, Deeper Strategem, and trying to run CT. When should I finisher when spamming FoK on top?
My WA turns green on 5, but that pretty much means I could be wasted up to 3 CP
subtle tundra
do you really not have add dps in your group and you desperately need AOE?
verbal knot
I was doing pure ST for the first few weeks and they asked me to go AOE, so I farmed up BOTE rank 3 and trying to pump.
It's a big oof but as ST I was matching our DH DPS
about 55
plush remnant
@strange python https://wowanalyzer.com/report/LCHVBmp3Q9KW4thg/33-Heroic+Queen+Azshara+-+Kill+(6:15)/Zyrika/standard
arctic walrus
you don't use wowanalyzer
plush remnant
It can help seeing that there was 2 vendetta casts, vanish, 9 toxic blade, etc.
arctic walrus
can just as easily see those on logs themselves
plush remnant
Depends if they know how to read the logs themselves. It puts it in a more readable format
dense cedar
I wonder if toxic blade if gonna vanish next xpac
plush remnant
Just one tool to help someone.
fleet whale
if they replace it with something better im fine with that
TB is basically just C-Smash for rogues
subtle tundra
i just want assassination to not be stealth dependant next expansion 😦
fleet whale
hmm it goes both ways for me
dense cedar
what's wrong with stealth?
fleet whale
on the one hand i wish vanish could go back to being pure utility
on the other hand, i love what subter and MA brings to the table
dense cedar
Vanish as a dps cooldown is big fav of mine
subtle tundra
unless youre in keys and can barely stealth
dense cedar
i only ever do keys with guild
fleet whale
tanks shouldn't be chain pulling that much
dense cedar
and they realise that chain pulling outside of Nelf/vanish is actually slower
gentle jewel
Who’s a good streamer or guide I can watch? I want to gather more ideas to see if I can polish up
subtle tundra
it feels like time wasting
fleet whale
plus your healers can't drink
subtle tundra
but then if you want to go as fast as possible why have sin when you can get outlaw
drinking shouldnt be after every pull
fleet whale
also even if your tank likes to pull quickly, you should still have time to re-stealth
subtle tundra
well this season especially i hate the restealth since you have to sometimes wait for 5+ seconds because of emissaries
and i need to stay behind, wait for emissary to dissapear go to mobs and by then i hate myself
gentle jewel
Who’s a good rogue streamer to follow?
gentle jewel
Raid
I want to do more damage. I need a refresher too, I’ve been away for a few weeks 😪
arctic walrus
Me, Raz, Flawless come to mind
rigid mango
You 
rigid mango
Perma muting you so you can't type in rh 
arctic walrus
Sounds like a win win 
hollow cloak
@arctic walrus u have ptr stream?
rare pond
Is it beneficial to run BoTE on zaqul? My guild wants me going down on to kill both echoes
arctic walrus
@hollow cloak I could maybe stream if there’s a group. I’m not big into testing though
raven mica
???????????????
arctic walrus
Lmao
raven mica
arctic walrus
I’m sorry
keen wren
do poison bomb scale with mastery ?`
bleak dune
[Shroud of Unmooring Whispers] (SS+NP > [Helm of the Inexorable Tide] (EP+DD) for m+?
rigid mango
Probably.
shrewd iron
Is it more worth to hold your coral stacks for third vendetta if you know the boss are gonna live that long or should I try to use the stacks I have for every Vendetta?
arctic walrus
every vendetta
arctic walrus
The math said so
Gonna go ahead and assume it's better to have 2 good vendettas rather than one really shit vendetta and only slightly better than good vendetta
shrewd iron
Ok thanks! 😄
scarlet sequoia
np
rigid mango
Crit has diminishing returns in value, each vendetta should be an impactful burst window, coral is insanely good for that.
dapper pewter
I have 5 bonus rolls, what should I roll on bosses for heroic
shrewd iron
Impossible to say without knowing your gear tbh
dapper pewter
What has the best daggers and rings and trinkets for sin?
drifting cloud
literally every boss has an item you might want depending on your gear
arctic walrus
run droptimizer and see what boss givesy ou the most chances for an upgrade
dapper pewter
ooh good idea
ummm i Have ruinous bolt azerite trait. DOES IT HIT EVERY NEARBY TARGET?
or is it just bugged and hitting 1 million target dummies in boralus
dapper pewter
Is it supposed to target just one at a time?
It hit every single target dummy in range for hte whole duration of the proc
civic palm
Should just be a random nearby target every 2 seconds.
dapper pewter
weird... it was kinda crazy
vast forum
i always just rely on my healers + cloak to keep me up until 2nd fish and just ST the boss, but wouldn't recommend if you're trialling in a new guild 😄
by healers i obviously mean externals, not actual healing
but if you can ask for a cocoon or a PS or disc shields, you're perfectly fine until 2nd puffer is dead, which you can quickly swim to and shadowstep back with almost no dps loss
onyx hedge
Just out of interest wat stats are yall holding?
rigid mango
Huh?
onyx hedge
Been playing druid for prog and aint worried to much about perfect stats n shit so im only simming 48k so i should prob get ontop of the stats and get some benthic
arctic walrus
benthic is the issue, not stats
rigid mango
You just take whatever stats sim best
They're all very close to equal, just better at diff breakpoints in gearing
That're all personal
onyx hedge
@arctic walrus lmao ik that benthic is the issue but im not going to just go fuck stats and completely ignore them lmao
mmk k @rigid mango
onyx hedge
@rigid mango what are ur stats at rn?
onyx hedge
I mained rogue since moped but didnt play much last teir and boomkin this so
im 32 crit 22 haste 32 mast 7 vers
rigid mango
Yeah, but like I said, stats don't matter. You can't put a value to every stat assuming that's what it should look like
onyx hedge
imagine thats off, prob becuase im using gear that i use for outlaw and sin
rigid mango
Simming is your friend
onyx hedge
yea i am im doing it the exact way on i do it on my druid and it sims fine and then i go to my rogue and it fucks itself in the ass
vast forum
good vs bad stats will depend on your azerite
the essence you use
and fight lengths
and fight styles
rigid mango
I mean, just sim 5 min patchwerk
vast forum
so if you're only looking at 5min singletarget bossfights, just sim, if you want advice on anything specific, ask a more specific question
rigid mango
on topgear, and equip whatever is BiS.
onyx hedge
should prob sign up again its so anoying having to do multiple sims
even tho they pret fast right now
CLF major lucid minor iris minor with x2 DD x1 TtK x1 NP x1 Blightborne and 1x Loyal
rigid mango
That'd be BiS, yeah.
onyx hedge
anyway ill figure it out
im sitting comfortably atm for 48.5k sims on an alt
Just started running first 4 on mythic on this guy 2 weeks ago so
rigid mango
Yeah the rest is benthic/optimisation probably.
onyx hedge
^
rigid mango
Stuff like zaq helm, good font and coral, good sockets
onyx hedge
Got queens to 5 n 10% last night goes down on monday, so im not to hard core about to be 6/8 pogu
rigid mango
etc
rigid mango
Odds are slithering loa helm is better than 435 zaq helm
vast forum
i've rolled 8 or 9 times this season, if i knew my luck would be this shit i would have saved 😦
light pebble
Does anyone here have a sin pvp build for arenas?
rigid mango
I've got it and I'm still 2k away from it
vast forum
well i don't think just the shoulder is 2k obviously
but it would be a step in the right direction
onyx hedge
@vast forum i rollde it first try on my rogue and then still aint got it on my main for prog
at 450
vast forum
i have a bunch of 430 gear with sockets
rigid mango
I stopped caring about gear as soon as we killed QA
vast forum
and a bunch of 445-450 without sockets
rigid mango
Myeh, same.
onyx hedge
430s bettr
vast forum
i know
rigid mango
Although I've got some socketed stuff in benthic slots.
onyx hedge
450 socketed lure last night 😄
rigid mango
I'm just setting it up for next tier so
vast forum
i can't wait for titanforging to be gone
onyx hedge
ik
vast forum
so i can rage over new systems instead 🙂
onyx hedge
me 2
rigid mango
Gonna be aids to grind it out next patch
On two chars
I kinda expect crit amp to be BiS anyways for sin
onyx hedge
btw that is how ik my sims are broken, vers crit and haste gems XD https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wFLsTB4M8iDn1otpULjsc2
fk off that is right
rigid mango
All the stats are p much equal for sin atm
rigid mango
Seems about fine
gentle fjord
What's the reason people are using blood of the enemy on mythic azshara? Just better timings?
harsh sphinx
exactly
hushed maple
The curruption System looks worse than titanforging tbh.....not to mention this weird seasonal affix
vestal wren
seasonal affix looks interessting
for the corruption system, its a titanforging variation with limitations
zenith gust
agree on corruption system being absolute trash @hushed maple , seasonal affix i dont really care tho, probably will be fun, i enjoyed all seasonals so far
prisma valve
Corruption is better than titanforging because it doesn't randomly prevent you from trading pieces you don't need just because you got a 5ilvl upgrade
strange python
how high do we sim with current gear?
shy axle
are you trying to use Fok until 5 cp when playing with Eb or finish at 4 too in aoe situations?
strange python
anyone knows what this is called? it's blizzard's default thing goes over my weakauras. I want to move it
scarlet sequoia
you mean the bar?
scarlet sequoia
sure get moveanything
strange python
what's it called in moveanything?
frank granite
What build/essences would you recommend for assa rogue in KR (both Tyra and Fortified)?
tropic ocean
ss ss ss np bbi
tropic ocean
who cares on overall in kr
vast forum
i think 3xSS,NP,BBI,TtK, bote, lucid vision would be best
marble hemlock
Pmuch what Yoppa said
finite vortex
how do you use bote in m+?
marble hemlock
Zaqul Helmet, Goraktuls Shoulders, Behemoth Chest, and then Bote/Lucid/Vision
On AoE?
finite vortex
yes
marble hemlock
with ct: g g g ct fok r bote fok fok fok fok fok
without ct: g g g r fok env bote fok fok fok fok fok
finite vortex
do you run ct for all dungs?
marble hemlock
nah
only when most trashpulls are 4-5mobs or more
and only when they actually live long enough
so, underrot, freehold, ml, waycrest
vast forum
seli, you ran the 3x EB meme build?
marble hemlock
mmh
vast forum
i'm just wondering
why you're against HB 😛
in sims, it's very close to CT when you run it with 3eb, and in reality it's usually even better (because it stacks between pulls) and has SOME st value
marble hemlock
finite vortex
@marble hemlock do you sim , or run with traits that you like?
I mean like try them yourself in dungs
marble hemlock
im against HB because i dont see the point of it
its worse on aoe than ct, its worse on st than pb
vast forum
was that with 3EB and was it a fortified week? 😛
marble hemlock
psure it was 3EB ye
and a forti freehold
although it doesnt matter
whether its freehold or tyrannical
CT scales better than HB the bigger the pull is
because HB affects fok, which gets scaled down in dmg on largescale aoe, meanwhile CT is a dot on each target which does not get downscaled
vast forum
i think the "large scale downscaling" starts on 10 targets?
marble hemlock
idk
ultimately it doesnt matter
keep in mind that the calc i did there
was with numbers that were already affected by HB
so in reality
the gain is a decent amount lower than what i calculated
turbid relic
I was wondering, also I've been playing around with the Essences, what are the best essences for M+?
arctic walrus
blood lucid/c&s
turbid relic
even if c&s is rank 1?
cobalt pelican
people generally only recommend essences assuming they're all at rank 3
if you have random ranks you'd probably need to l ist them
but it'll end up being iris/lucid/flame or something if you're a freshding
turbid relic
arctic walrus
iris lucid/pp
reef herald
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
turbid relic
I'm atm farming my butt off to get blood rank 3, I'm just horrible in pvp and a sore loser too 😄 Getting 1k rating would be possible but getting rank 3 cns would be hard 😮
arctic walrus
you don't use strife or blood until 3
turbid relic
Same in raids?
Cause I figured, cause of the massive AoE on Orgozoa I would atleast get strife on her.
@arctic walrus Thanks so far! ❤️
arctic walrus
no
clf lucid/iris for 1-6
blood lucid/strife for last 2
assuming all rank 3, assuming you do echos (although you might need vision minor for zaq)
heavy haven
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
tropic ocean
@vast forum iirc its over 10
but lower than 20 or smth cant remember but u could see it heavily in islands
frank granite
@vast forum thanks!
shy axle
do you finish at 4cp+ when doing aoe/foking ? or just fok until 5 cps because the dmg from fok + eb is worth more than potential lost cp?
strange python
is the fan of knives build viable for higher level mythics?
arctic walrus
It's always a good build
fickle cairn
Hey everyone, so I have some questions with the orgo fight on mythic. Has anyone ran this fight as Assassination? I know it's supposed to be nutty as outlaw but my group has a lot of cleave already and needs more Boss damage. If so what exactly do you run essence and trait wise? Please and thank you, I'm not really happy with my dps in this fight and wanted to know what anyone else is doing.
strange python
So ive done 8/8 HC Ep, 8/8 normal EP, 10+ Mythic +10s and still only have ilv 370 wepaons... and i got 422 ilv equiped..
vast forum
@fickle cairn you use the standard ST build and just rupture the adds
fickle cairn
@vast forum thanks for the response. I've seen people only rupture one add, wouldn't you want to rupture as many as you can while keeping rupture on boss up?
vast forum
if you just want max boss dmg, you ignore adds
or you rupture 1 of them just before a TB
fickle cairn
Thing is I'm also on tricks duty
vast forum
just rupture all the adds then and then pump boss
drifting cloud
tricks dont make any difference lol
cobalt pelican
if you're not hitting the ads you're never going to give meaningful threat
just tell the tanks to stop being asshats
drifting cloud
thats just an excuse bad tanks use yeah
cobalt pelican
two spawn in the same spot and one spawns like opposite they shouldn't be too hard to pick up
fickle cairn
Well they have me tricksing the ads as they spawn in so the tanks can get them easier
Which sort of ruins my timing sometimes
cobalt pelican
and in terms of st damage i'm pretty sure it's a gain to maintain 4~ bleeds for energy income so if you have no desire to cleave both bleeds on the boss and a couple ruptures is more than sufficient, you won't really ever look pretty on the meter though
they really shouldn't need tricks, the only time that there's ever an issue with ads hitting other people is if a fluid person is by the ad that spawns on the right for arcing current and for some reason hits it as it's coming down
fickle cairn
I see, I'll try swinging it by them. I feel like it's an old strat that they are just imposing
cobalt pelican
but yeah generally for boss damage it's just a pure patchwerk fight where you have the luxury of extra energy income, so play your normal build and essences
when you say you're unhappy with damage do you mean purely to the boss relative to others?
fickle cairn
To the boss. I know my dps is going to be lower than the cleave but I still do as much or even a little less than some of the cleavers which doesnt seem good
cobalt pelican
a lot of classes gain st damage from having ads to cleave, which is generally why people prefer outlaw for the fight
fickle cairn
But on ashvane for example I do a lot more boss damage than everyone else
drifting cloud
I had 92% boss dmg breakdown this week, a whopping 45% log, but on boss dmg its a 95% 
cobalt pelican
spriests get more insanity, outlaw gets more wits stacks, fury gets more rage, demon hunters hit stuff by accident, etc
assassination just doesn't really gain that much st from having ads near if the ads aren't important
fickle cairn
That makes sense though, that's pretty much who's beating me
dark crag
If you bleed snipe, but not sure if that is a gain
cobalt pelican
it's generally not, and if it is it's super minor and much easier to overreach and lose dps than it is to gain the minor amount available
vast forum
bleed sniping is a dps gain if it's just before TB
but also all the dmg to bubbles is effective dmg as it frees people earlier and allows them to dps so it's always worth dpsing the bubbles unless you have TB on the boss
patent vine
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
frosty obsidian
does vendetta buff irirs
arctic walrus
no
grave elk
unbridled fury for raid prepot?
mighty crown
Sim it but I'm 99% sure it's the best pot for everyone's sin rogue on ST
rough agate
Whats the significance of bote vs clf on azshara
BoTE timings are better or is it just because of adds
arctic walrus
better timings, better on adds
drifting cloud
you also get 2 uses in last phase
nocturne gate
but clf is viable too isnt it ?
nocturne gate
i know i know ^^
woven summit
Hey guys, my sims say that with Master Assassin my best major slot for the most dps is Condensed Life-Force instead of Blood of the Enemy. Anyone having a similar experience and is this normal?
harsh sphinx
for ST yes. normal.
woven summit
I see, thanks.
Do you usually use Blood of the Enemy as major slot when doing keys?
I reckon that's powerful for aoe with the crit increase
arctic walrus
correct
woven summit
Nice, just got it rank 3 so I'll play it.
cunning needle
if you're at 5CP and tb comes off cooldown - is it better to envenom then toxic blade
or toxic blade then envenom and waste a cp
woven summit
Just a waste a cp I think.
vast forum
tb-env
woven summit
I think it's more viable to just waste the CP, use Toxic Blade and start envenoming.
cunning needle
cool. what about getting off another envenom in a TB window or letting rupture fall off?
harsh sphinx
don't let rupture fall off. ever
vast forum
if you're in that situation, you already fucked up
rupture's duration <9 sec when TB comes off CD, you rup before TB
arctic walrus
Nope if Tb is up and rupture is at 9s you Tb and refresh as your last global/finisher
rigid mango
What yoppa is saying is correct 😉
arctic walrus
rigid mango
Minor gain, but that's technically correct.
grave elk
on org do we run and dot all adds or just hard focus
arctic walrus
depends if you're padding or focusing on boss damage
grave elk
well its a casual run
rancid bobcat
might as well pad then
noble night
Hopefully this is ok, but I've looked through a few different guides to try to improve my DPS, which it has, but not enough. So, I was wondering if anyone is free and willing to look over some of my logs and see what else I'm doing wrong? Thanks! 🙂
rigid mango
Feel free to link em
noble night
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/blackrock/narelf
Also, fyi I am playing on 160-200 ping and trying to compensate for that, so maybe I've been reapplying abilities slightly too early?
rigid mango
First off you're running subterfuge without any shrouded suffocation traits
Subt -> MA
You wasted 19 CP with mutilate which is a metric fuckton, seemingly you're not finishing at 4+ and mutilating instead?
You're using lucid as your major instead of condensed life force, when it should be the other way round
Simple Opener Priority:
If first mut is 4cp: Mut rup mut gar
if first mut is <4cp: Mut mut rup gar mut
Finish both with CLF>Vend>Tb>Vanish.
Your opener should follow that logic, not what you're doing
You should really be using the double dose on your helm instead of undulating tides
You had meh uptimes on bleeds on a boss where uptime should be pretty much 100%.
Your TB windows are "ok", your cooldown usage is sporadic
You also missed I think 2 casts of TB
noble night
Thanks! So lots to work on then 😅
So should I then change Subt for MA? And using Mut as my first ability from stealth rather than gar? And one last dumb question CLF? 😅
rigid mango
CLF = Condensed life force
Which is the BiS major essence granted it's rank 3
yes, change subt for MA, and yes, follow that opening logic
Slight reactionary gameplay for first couple GCD's, that's about it.
noble night
Thanks for the help! I appreciate it 🙂 I'll work on those and see how I go in raid tonight
rigid mango
noble night
@rigid mango I actually have 2 ss traits, does the rotation change then?
nimble skiff
If I'm taking CT, do i bother using it in ST?
marble hemlock
No, never.
carmine dawn
is there a soft cap on crit and haste I should stop at and dump into mastery? or just max out haste and crit?
nimble skiff
Alright, second question, if I take PB, do I envenom after 5CP in aoe situations? Or should I just spam FoN?
drifting cloud
that depends on your eb traits and target count
sour wraith
spymaster's wrap is simming higher than blackwater, is that normal?
arctic walrus
Do you have loyal enabled
sour wraith
yes
harsh sphinx
could you link the sim?
sour wraith
One second - it was only done with one loyal so I'm checking with higher, but here it is https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wmLqvDK8twPM7fC3FeCbRY
Even with 4 stacks it's barely an upgrade https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/odSpf11Ln7CcavVZFQYih3
arctic walrus
Yes
Because your spymasters has your only np
So it adds a big weight in terms of how easily the sim will want you to switch off it
arctic walrus
Well yeah because then you’re giving away another great trait for an NP
Gear compare with zaq helm
sour wraith
Yea that's bigger - won't be getting zaq helm though 😦
cobalt pelican
169dps is pretty sizable
arctic walrus
Also not taking into account mastery boost when someone dies
neat remnant
anyone else having problems with inkpod not bursting? we had 4 or 5 bosses tonight with our inkpods just not going off
cobalt pelican
i only play inkpod on my fury warrior but yes it randomly doesn't work sometimes for me and i'm sure there's a reason i'm just too dumb to figure it out
harsh sphinx
oh you did too 
stole your thunder
neat remnant
yeah, we were doing sales tonight and it would stack up a bunch and then do nothing, feels bad when you have a 455 inkpod and no font lol
cobalt pelican
it's quite large annoying to have my big 'press your coral idiot' weakaura on my screen the entire fight while i watch the stacks just stay there
fun times
i don't think it worked for anyone at all on this pull for some reason
maybe zaqul pranks
neat remnant
yeah, it was a thing of no one's inkpod going off
arctic walrus
0% wipe too
harsh sphinx
thought it was mythic "damn that's an insane kill time"
cobalt pelican
nah just baby runs on my super scuffed warrior
arctic walrus
The logs though
cobalt pelican
fury hurts my hand..
strange python
Anyone have weakaura for Coral and Font?
shut pasture
how good is Undulating in m+?
modest tendon
Never recommended
rigid mango
@noble night that means opener and vanish usage is slightly diff, it's covered in the guide.
hot urchin
returning rogue from early summer and im going through the guide now. Top of the guide it states the toxic blade is the go to for all situations, ST or multi, later down the guide when it goes over bis azerite traits, shrouded suffocation mainly, it says exsanguinate is the go to, is that part out of date?
arctic walrus
Yeah pretty much
hot urchin
cool, but SS is still the go to for affix weeks like this along with subterfuge?
MA for tyrannical?
hot urchin
just raids, got it
arctic walrus
If you want to play sin in dungeons you'll need SS traits/subterfuge
hot urchin
awesome, ty
candid phoenix
a little of an awkward question, but i always thought and played Master Assassin as in, 5 CPs ---> Vanish ---> Envenom --> Muti --> Envenom. Today i saw a rogue playing MA doing vanish/Garrote/Muti/Envenom, which seems like a big mistake to me. Am i right or am i wrong? 😄
arctic walrus
Ye that's pretty shit
candid phoenix
just as i thought. i m more of a subterfuge loyalist even for raiding, so i havent rly been playing MA that much this tier, so i was wondering if its rotation changed, but i guess that rogue was just bad 😛
arctic socket
Is it blood of thy enemy for last 2 bosses or 3?
rigid mango
Last 2
arctic socket
That’s what I thought just making sure tho
earnest token
is there going to be a nerf to fok next patch?
gusty mirage
I don't think there is
graceful mirage
why would there be one?
agile shore
Wasn’t it nerfed to the ground until the talent came up?
gusty mirage
I think they were fixing the tooltip for FoK if anything. I vaguely remember there being something about FoK in the PTR patch notes like a month ago
graceful mirage
checking atm and no rogue changes at all on patch notes
gusty mirage
yeah I just looked it up and didn't find anything either, it was in the same patch notes where they said they were changing crimson vial to be a distributable consumable like healthstones
gusty mirage
That might've been it
rigid mango
If you've seen a change to fok coming next patch, it's just a tooltip change, nothing changes in actual usage.
This was a documented change that came with 8.2.5, for some reason it's in 8.3 too.
Atleast was.
gusty mirage
Yeah it was in the first ever set of ptr patch notes and hasn't been in any of the others. For what its worth I found a link to the wowhead page about it: https://www.wowhead.com/news=295493/first-patch-8-3-ptr-build-class-essence-changes
looks like they were just tooltip changes
modest tendon
if you have 2-3 double doses how many adds should be around you before fok does more damage than muti?
steady owl
Does an echoing blades build work when going into delerium realm or do the adds die to fast?
modest tendon
no it doesnt work because you will kill your allies
unless your the only melee?
but whats the point?
you get haste in deli
haste means nothing when you aoe
pointless
cobalt pelican
5+ for fok usually
the actual value varies a bit bit just using 5 as a baseline will be fine
modest tendon
ty
grave elk
when it comes to using blood of enemy, when i pull in m+ do i just spread my ruptures then blood ? just so the ticking crits?
flint compass
And spam fok^
grave elk
ok im assuming i want atleast 3 ruptures out before i bote
flint compass
3 garrotes + 1 or 2 rupt so you have enough energy to spam fok.
grave elk
makes sense
flint compass
You just want to make sure you can use fok for every bote global
Yup, no finisher necessary.
flint compass
#bringbackreaping
strange python
Any idea if the corrupted daggers spawn stuff on the ground or put a dot on target?
i.e., can target be taken out of them?
hot urchin
hey all quick question ,returning player and doing M+ with subterfuge with SS. Was wondering what the optimal opener is?
harsh sphinx
i'd suggest looking over Seli's guide on icy-veins. it's recent in depth and will answer all your questions. https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/assassination-rogue-pve-dps-guide
hot urchin
Thank you
arctic walrus
oh seli rewrote the guide? pog
marble hemlock
Mhyep.
If you notice anything that might be outdated or plain wrong, please lemme know so I can fix 😉
arctic walrus
You're never wrong
harsh sphinx
faint owl
Is blackwater shimerscale vest still bis if enough people are using loyal to the end
arctic walrus
yes
mild obsidian
Why is Raidbots telling me not to use force multiplier?
polar cape
because the other option are probably better
strange python
Damn
cobalt pelican
force multiplier isn't like particularly standout good
it's fairly normal to have deadly/quick as your best
or in weird cases other nav enchants
force isn't usually far behind though and is pretty versatile for other content i guess so do whatever
robust river
Morning all, just to check does this opener look correct for Assa/MA?
Never sure when to drop Gaurdians of Azeroth thing
robust river
Ah you use gaurdian before Vendetta?
harsh sphinx
vanish after tb before the envenom
robust river
So you don't waste TB/Ven time I guess?
harsh sphinx
but guardian before vendetta
robust river
Ah yeah I usually vendetta then TB I must have fucked it that fight
You just use coral as soon as you have down time/it up after pre-font?
harsh sphinx
yes coral asap
robust river
kk, cheers
warm sable
And from stealth mutilate rapture mutilate so you use good that cp and than you garotte ...
rigid mango
No, that's correct if you don't get 4 cp from first mut.
low lodge
Is that actually the best opener? I find that holding vanish for the next envenom will get you EP with that envenom
So you get a bigger envenom into your MA window
rigid mango
What rav linked is the correct opener.
low lodge
But isn't it better to have EP up for the MA window?
rigid mango
It's the best.
You're losing one envenom of ep, and for that matter ep barely matters.
low lodge
I know it's a small difference, but would just think that on average it would be better to have EP up for MA envenom
rigid mango
So what would you prefer the opener be.
robust river
IF you used envenom then rebuilt points wouldn't you have to hold TB for even longer? And Vendetta etc.?
Also your raid has probably already blood lust / heroism at that point on a lot of bosses
I think Rav's make sense practically rather than in theory
rigid mango
If you want ep there you either just sacrifice uptime on cooldowns or you waste some of them
hidden bronze
Hey guys. I'm a newbie at rogue stuff but I wonder why you won't pick the nightstalker talent. I would assume it also raises the damage of dots aswell .. like when I cast rupture out of stealth doesn't every tick get the 50% buff?
Sorry of that thought is nuts at all
I didn't try this out actually just a thought that crossed my mind
rigid mango
Because it's bad
hidden bronze
Why.. it's a safe 50% dot buff or am.i getting it wrong
rigid mango
Because it does less damage than the other options
hidden bronze
Ahh I see...from the potential amounts of damage
rigid mango
It's just worse
hidden bronze
So master assassin beats damage wise and subterfuges comes for the silence benefits of garotee
modest tendon
You can just sim it, the APL should be pretty good for nightstalker, it’s not a new talent
rigid mango
MA beats on ST, Subt beats on cleave/m+
modest tendon
You will find subt and MA always win
hidden bronze
Alright ;) thanks for the amswers
low lodge
I'd suggest to open with CLF -> Vendetta -> TB -> Envenom -> Mutilate -> Vanish -> Envenom
I know that top logs aren't doing this, and that it might be worse, I just don't see why
This way you'd have EP up for the envenom in your MA window
Ofc, this opener is after you applied the dots
modest tendon
It might work, yoppa opens with, muti-envenom-muti- apply dots then vanish-blah blah blah
You can’t tell which one is best without sims
So unless you know how to mess around with APLs the standard one is the most optimal
low lodge
I don't, was just wondering and thought maybe someone knew why one was better than the other
low lodge
Ye, but I'm curious 😄
modest tendon
Of course this is a science
The APL might be wrong
But sims are the closet thing to objectivity we have
rigid mango
because the gain is so minor that the headache of desyncing cd's is probably not worth it
low lodge
Ye, that's actually a good point
It just feels good to see a 10% higher Envenom crit in your opener
severe sedge
Can anyone give me some tips for queens court mythic as assa? I keep bleeds at both targets, feel like its not optimal. Is it worth running for bleeds or just when shadowstep is up?
scarlet sequoia
just when step is up or if theyre randomly close
modest tendon
Shadowstep on cd
severe sedge
Bleeds for orbs?
scarlet sequoia
ya
severe sedge
Or just if they are close?
severe sedge
Så step in cd, stay on that targets refresh bleeds again as step comes up and go on other one?
scarlet sequoia
eh its like hard to explain cus u dont rly wanna do it with step on cd either
it would be easier to just give u a stream and u check the vod
severe sedge
Sure! Would be nice
scarlet sequoia
check nukkz2292
severe sedge
Ill check
hushed maple
What traits do the best rogues use actually?
scarlet sequoia
2 dd 1 np 1 ttk 1 loyal 1 bbi
hushed maple
okay thank you
Is there a link I can see them? I want to know, which pieces they use ^^
willow sundial
Za'qul helmet, Gorak tuls and behemoth chest
hushed maple
specific Items are so stupidly expensive
well Za'qul helmet seems to be pointless to farm for
NP and DD are on alot of items
hushed maple
yeah...
damn I cant wait for Shadowlands
byebye azerite
I am currently running 3x DD and 3x NP
outer token
and no flying daggers trait in nyalotha raid, hooray... fck off designers 😄
shut pasture
besides lacking benthic gear and CLF what else can I do for better st? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bYq4EbhyzxU93jrFkz7Bed
another sim with slightly diff gear
rigid mango
Better trinkets, more sockets, better helm, not 435 shoulders
shut pasture
just going for 5 bosses alt clear with a friend's guild
so not possible to get the trinkets now
rigid mango
coral is
shut pasture
well if I get it yes