assassination

[signal hazel]

My question was mostly to inquire about the importance of haste for a triple double dose build

[arctic walrus]

Top gear man, just figure your shit out there, or link it here so we do it for you

[civic palm]

Large.

[signal hazel]

and how much the energy regen it provides benefits

[scarlet sequoia]

well i run 21% haste with bis azerite

so u figure it out ig

its different for most people

[rigid mango]

There's no set amount

Use what's best for you

on top gear

[dire spoke]

Don't forget to check multiple traits per piece there too

[signal hazel]

Okay. Thanks for your time and responses.

[fervent jasper]

@signal hazel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4BU7GmnnCCUMUbmwkW9KvM

Theres 800 more dps

[dire spoke]

also if you want a non-boss idea of your output try dungeon-slice instead of patchwerk

[viscid onyx]

for m+ would u use inkpod/razer coral or razer coral/harlans dice?

[dire spoke]

my feelycraft tells me harlans

not enough stacking ink except you hit a +25 tyrannical boss

dangerous superficial knowledge

[viscid onyx]

i got a 440 Galecaller but cant use 2 on use trinkets

[fervent jasper]

I mean if you're fighting a boss in any m+ key or even just a priority trash mob, inkpod will do the same % damage to it as it would to a boss with a shit ton of hp

Because if something hits 30% in 20 seconds you'll have proportionately the same stacks on it as to a boss that took 3 minutes to hit 30%

At least that sounds right to me

[arctic walrus]

You’re saying you somehow magically stack the same amount in 20s as you would 3 minutes? Or

[fervent jasper]

No I said proportionately. Because if it takes 20 seconds to get something to 30%, then the amount of stacks that will have accumulated on that target will do the same percentage of that targets health pool as they would against a target that takes 3 minutes to hit 30%

Like if the tatget has more health it will take longer for it to hit 30% and therefore you get more stacks, but the % of damage inkpod will do to each is going to stay the same

[versed mica]

So for M+, is 2 TtK, 2 SS, and 2 EB really top tier?
I finally got the above combination, but mythic slice wants me to gear up as 1 TtK, 2 SS, and 3 EB

[fervent jasper]

Simming sin m+ is sketch

2/2/2 works for everything but technically what's "ideal" if there is a one size fits all, is 2 EB, 3 SS, and 1 TTK

[versed mica]

hm. I don't have the combination you mentioned

Should I got with 222 then? Esp for tyrannical weeks?

[fervent jasper]

If you have 2/2/2 you're fine

[versed mica]

👌

Speaking of which, how should I handle bursting this week, seeing how I'm supposed to Dot everything?

Just dot everything and focus low health mobs?

[fervent jasper]

You dont DoT everything, you DoT until you're every neutral

Technically deadly poison can finish something off at inopportune times but I'd focus on not envenoming super low health mobs when bursting is rolling and just knowing when to slow down or stop your FoKs

[versed mica]

"DoT until you're every neutral" wym by this?

[fervent jasper]

Aside from your empowered garrotes your bleeds are more for every regen than they are for damage

So once you have enough bleeds out (usually 4-5) you stop applying bleeds

Because that's enough to keep you from missing a global because you're energy starved

That's when you're globals to towards FoKs and envenoms until you need to reapply bleeds to stay energy neutral

[versed mica]

Are there any add ons that can help with monitoring bleeds on multiple targets? With blizzard frames it can get kind of hectic

[fervent jasper]

You can use a nameplate addon that may be easier for you to see if you want. There is also a weakaura that tracks them

https://wago.io/TYzyWji4e

[versed mica]

I use weakauras so that works. Thanks for the help man

[fervent jasper]

No problem good luck

[dire spoke]

@fervent jasper your math on inkpod assumes consistent damage output which isn't accurate due to timings and cooldowns. As in your trinket will do more damage if the target hits the mark right after your burst or vice versa

And even with consistency i'm not sure if m+ targets HP scale that linear

I could be wrong tbh, but also I just never saw a rogue using inkpod in m+

[hasty fiber]

its okay if i have 3x ss 1x eb 1x np 1x ttk right?

i cant find any helm in my restoration that has 1x ss 1x eb

or should i go 3x ss 1x eb 2x ttk instead

[fervent jasper]

Do that

The 2nd one

[hasty fiber]

okie (:

trying assa 3x ss and eb in m+ for the first time shits gonna be a mess

[dire spoke]

just hit em with 2 ruptures aswell and ur good. Except they die too fast and you don't need that regen

[fervent jasper]

@hasty fiber also if I were you I'd be rolling on a random piece any chance I get for another EB

[hasty fiber]

yeah i gotta save up for my bis gorak tuls shoulders for Raid ST

still dont have those lil shits

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c45GdQdgdhrd5yUfHES6kg

this is where im at atm

with full raid ST

[viscid onyx]

!trinket

[dire steeple]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/duL1r9ymQh3cjhzYrPy8eB

How would I play with this ring setup?

Just force proc it or?

[hasty fiber]

nice rng

i thought you just do it normally

garrote>mut>envenom or rupture

if you keep your bleeds up normally it should prob refresh on time everytime right?

[cunning geyser]

On Azshara, when she spawns do you use anything, delay for adds ? Use Vendetta but only dealy BoE ? Delay Vanish as well or use with vendetta ? ^^

[arctic walrus]

@dire steeple use things like tricks and kick to proc it. It feels really buggy, and you'll end up getting 70-80% uptime of the buff

[distant lava]

use your socketed offhand

[rancid bobcat]

youre not there to pad on the adds

[arctic walrus]

Hell yeah you are

[rancid bobcat]

[arctic walrus]

Cd when she drops but save bote for add spawns

[rancid bobcat]

ok do what you want

[arctic walrus]

It will line up with tidemistress spawn

[rancid bobcat]

if your prog is going that well then yolo i guess

[distant lava]

your prog vel

how's it going

[arctic walrus]

200 wipes in p2 add still not dead

[distant lava]

add in p2 ?

[arctic walrus]

See I don't need phases yet It's going bad

[tropic ocean]

Vel no ce?

[arctic walrus]

:^)

[slow mountain]

any feedback on whether not old trinkets will be required next tier like Font/Coral Etc?

[arctic walrus]

🔮

[chilly marsh]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=296116/8-3-ptr-corruption-crit-damage-affix-nerfed-heart-of-darkness-raid-azerite-armor

nerfed crit

and its will bis evne if i get it in a WQ

lol

[wind moth]

ok so i just used the free 120 boost on a Rogue and choose Assasination.

it feels alot like Feral - spend energy on dots and abilities to build combo points and dump em on more dots and stronger abilities

except it feels really slow, like i have a fair bit of downtime waiting on energy

downtime is a part of Rogue dps isn't it? where we just auto-attack and build energy?

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[chilly marsh]

you have lucid ?

it helps a lot with the downtime

[wind moth]

i just boosted

no essences yet

you start at just under 390 ilev

and a lv 50 neck

[versed mica]

Ye go for lucid asap

In other words, do nazjatar till you drop

[wind moth]

far as starting azerite goes i got shrouded suffocation nothing personal and twist the knife

the first one seems to really help speed up my opener

when paired with subterferge

[versed mica]

Yeah. It’s better for aoe tho. For st you want double dose

Np is great, ttk is pretty good as well once you get more haste and crit

[wind moth]

would you run at least one shrouded suffocation, by the time i get Rupture up i'm energy starved

[versed mica]

For st? No. Sin feels super slow at first, but once you get lucid and about 16% or more haste it won’t feel as bad

[wind moth]

i'm assassin

[versed mica]

Yeah, sin

[wind moth]

sin?

[versed mica]

Assassin

[wind moth]

OH

[versed mica]

Lmao

[wind moth]

what does lucid do for us?

[versed mica]

Major increases all energy gains by 100% for a few seconds

Minor gives energy spending abilities a chance to refund half of the cost

Until you get blood of the enemy or life essence majors lucid major will probably be the best

[wind moth]

oh so it's energy

thought it would be combo points for a sec

wait double doze requires both weapon strikes to apply their poisons?

is that consistent?

tooltip says 50% on weapon strikes

[honest vessel]

consistent enough to make it our best trait

envenom buff increases the chance for each dagger

[wind moth]

finding it hard to use Envenom often due to energy and maintaining Rupture

[cobalt pelican]

rupture is like once every 20 something seconds

as you get more crit and haste you'll have more combo points in general but you should already get a decent amount of envenoms

[wind moth]

must be doing it wrong then

either that or not critting is hindering it

yeah when i get extra combo points it feels much better

ok so from observation rogue will feel nicer with higher ilev gear essences and traits

[cobalt pelican]

in general, yeah

it'll probably feel pretty slow if you have no haste and are getting 2cp every mut

it's like playing without weapon poisons on

[wind moth]

i'm sitting at 21%

not too shabby

26% crit

[astral tiger]

3x twist the knife
2x double dose
1x loyal to the end, should i bother multidotting on M Queen's Court?

[cobalt pelican]

yes when convenient

[chilly marsh]

i did a fun sim here : https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bCu83DE65WvVfAuc2iEVNt

benthci boots = 75 ivls

[drifting cloud]

isnt the 120 agi gem in socket carrying a little bit aswell

[heavy haven]

if i don't have bote what should i run in the meantime for azshara major

[drifting cloud]

clf

if you wanted to get a more accurate ilvl picture youd have to sim without the socket I assume

[chilly marsh]

sure but point is 3% crt is broken

4% even nerfed

WQ will be bis

[drifting cloud]

why, you can just spam m+ instead in armor stack

[chilly marsh]

not the point

any gear you get anywhere

with 4% crit

will not be replaced

[drifting cloud]

sure it will be

by better base items that also have 4% crit in a nother slot

because you cant equip unlimited corrupted items

[cobalt pelican]

farming 10s is like almost guarantee fgoing to be the best way to get your introductory corruption gear (or 5s or w/e first week)

m+ in general is like the highest gear rolls/h

[scarlet sequoia]

bro #wow-general 😠 ☝

[cobalt pelican]

i make my own rules

until the mods tell me to stop

[strange python]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[hasty fiber]

how to sim assa M+ gear

[arctic walrus]

You don't

What do you want to know

[hasty fiber]

just wanna see whats best for 4-6 pack of mobs as assa 3x ss 1x np 1x ttk 1x eb

[arctic walrus]

or

[hasty fiber]

for trinkets

ive got a shit ton of trinkets

[arctic walrus]

spyglass coral

[rigid mango]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[forest sable]

is hidden blades talent+echoing blades trait the "go to" for mythic+, or am I better off just going poison bomb?

[hasty fiber]

depends on the week ig

some players run crimson tempest or poison bomb or hidden blades

[forest sable]

youre making my head hurt

[hasty fiber]

just play whatever bb girl

the highest rated assa rogues in m+ rn are playing crimson tempest

i feel like poison bomb is pretty good for ST on Tyran

[forest sable]

is at least 1 echoing blade a must in mythic+? kinda seems like it

[hasty fiber]

but CT is pretty good for multitargets in higher keys

uhhh you dont haveee to have it

but its recommended

[forest sable]

if you run CT do you still use FoK?

[hasty fiber]

yes CT

keep ct up

spam FoK

its just another bleed youre adding into the rotation

[forest sable]

ahh i see i see

[crystal comet]

Hi, is there a channel to discuss a log from EP mythic? I feel like I'm not doing enough dps and would love some tips

[rigid mango]

Just link it

[crystal comet]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/W8Ft2cgm1PHLCK9b

[forest sable]

lookin thicc n solid to me bro

[rigid mango]

Your kill timer is really bad so that'll affect log a bit.

[crystal comet]

my main doubt is: should I play around Elaborate Planning, or can I just consider it a bonus? Like, should I pool energy autoshotting then cyclying 2-3 Envenoms in a row, or just cast when I have enough energy?

[rigid mango]

idk why there's a 2.5 sec window between vend and tb

[crystal comet]

I recall they moved the boss unexpectedly at a certain point, perhaps that's why. Unless it's taken from behemot of course

[rigid mango]

It's on first boss, but behemoth shouldn't look like this either

[crystal comet]

on pull I always cast them back to back, but during the fight it may actually happen I cast Vendetta a few seconds before TB, i didn't think it matter since Vendetta window is longer than TBs

[rigid mango]

You don't seem to have any big issues, your kill timer fucks you a bit

[crystal comet]

oh I see, TB actually buffs NP

[rigid mango]

You don't have benthic though.

Rotationally you're doing fine though

this on behemoth is just a huge mess

And you overcapped a bunch with mutilate

You can play around EP and Env if you want, but this iteration of sin has high uptime on both anyways

So you essentially play optimal by just not thinking about them

[crystal comet]

will surely do, thanks

also, about coral: manually cast at pull, then always paired with vendetta?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[crystal comet]

refreshing it once expires of course

[rigid mango]

Without font that's how you use it

Just use with each vend

again here

CLF should be before vend

[jaunty arrow]

Its possible to avoid fear on zaqul using cloak before it? 🤔

[rigid mango]

Yes, but using it at the wrong times can fuck you if you're going deliriums

and using cloak on the manic dreads stop them from spawning an eye on the ground

If you're having issues, just feint

[jaunty arrow]

I was just curious, also hate that fight

[forest sable]

zine, do you do mythic+?

[jaunty arrow]

Cant pop cds on start, waiting with dmg zzzzz 😑

[rigid mango]

Yes

[distant lava]

he doesn't know

[forest sable]

what tier 7 talent do you usually use?

[rigid mango]

PB/CT

CT for everything that isn't KR/Siege/ToS

Some people like HB

[forest sable]

why dont you run ct on those dungeons?

[rigid mango]

Too small

Siege has a bunch of shit that dies before a bleed can function

[jaunty arrow]

Hb might be cool with blood

[rigid mango]

The other two have smaller pulls and scary bosses

[forest sable]

ahhh i see, ty

[rigid mango]

[jaunty arrow]

@rigid mango is worth play hb on gorgonzola or its just good for logs? 🤔

[rigid mango]

Log padding

Essentially, sin can do insane aoe if you let it

but you lose a lot of ST doing so

Meanwhile classes like outlaw or something alike can cleave whilst gaining/not losing any ST

So they do it more efficiently

[forest sable]

i wish i just enjoyed roll the bones more

maybe they will move talents around a bit so you can take SnD, til then ill play assassin

[jaunty arrow]

I cant play outlaw coz i am sure i will be roling half of the fight

[worn geyser]

Hello, I have a question about sin in m+ high keys, specifically the mindset behind azerite trait choice in tyrannical vs fortified weeks. Previously I have been running 3x ss 1x eb 1xttk 1x np(only bc i didnt have other options) but i rolled a few helmets this week and was looking at morningwind’s choices for the same week affixes. And he was running 1xss 2xttk 1x swirling sands 2x eb with CT talented

Essentially I’m wondering if its worth to drop a SS for 1xeb 1xswirling sands for this weeks affixes

It seemed really odd to me that he would drop 2x of the SS considering sin’s reliance on it for m+ damage, the best reasoning i can chalk it up to is a difference in how his group pulled mobs, so rather than letting him restealth, they chain pulled heavily after a priority target(ie refreshment vendor in motherload) has died

[rigid mango]

I don't see why it would be.

I'd keep on running the same setup and hope for an ss/eb piece to get rid of your NP

That build might be optimal for KR though.

[worn geyser]

Yeah it stuck out as weird to me, I might ask him his thoughts on it next stream. And yeah the NP is super suboptimal, Unfortunately this week I didnt get lucky and get Cowl of Fastidious

Would you think dropping a 1xNP 1xSS for 1xEB 1xttk to be worth ?

[rigid mango]

You can argue it'd be worth while if you're pulling bigger

[worn geyser]

I would agree with that, thanks for the help.

[forest sable]

zine is so hc, its hot

[rigid mango]

[dire spoke]

uh

emote size update?

oh that's not #off-topic

[upper veldt]

Guys, what is best moment to use BotE on m+?

[cloud sandal]

big pulls

[upper veldt]

just for fok?

[cloud sandal]

yeah has very good synergy with EB and big envenom

on prio target

[hushed maple]

Hey guys. Whats our prepot actually in raids and m+?

basic main stat?

[rigid mango]

Fury raid, emp prox on packs fury on bosses in m+

[upper veldt]

is this even worth to take azshara font on m+?

[pale heart]

assa is much worse than pirate at mid(10-15) m+, right? or it's worth a try?

[modest tendon]

It’s good at all levels of play

Outlaw is always better but sin is always good

[forest sable]

ive heard its pretty close if you have the correct traits, i could be wrong

[rigid mango]

Outlaw isn't always better

[forest sable]

zine bout to drop some knowledge again

[modest tendon]

Nope, every dungeon/affix combo outlaw makes the dungeon safer

[rigid mango]

Nah.

KR sin is better.

And in some dungeon's I'd argue sin is better than the 2nd outlaw

but not the first one

[modest tendon]

Extra stun+melee range gives safety, there are no drawbacks to picking outlaw over sin

[forest sable]

wouldnt assassin be more consistent? or not true

[rigid mango]

Apart from losing boss damage and tons of add damage

?

Sin is probably the highest damage spec in that instance

and it allows you to run 1 eb max

So your ST is great too

[modest tendon]

They do the same damage as far as I can tell

[rigid mango]

in kr?

no.

[modest tendon]

Why would sin do more boss damage though?

[rigid mango]

You're playing 5-6 ST traits like they are

just that yours are better

You're not playing ct/hb

[modest tendon]

Is there stats for this? I always thought ace+dead shot were pretty good st traits

[rigid mango]

Maybe that's an overstatement on my part

But 3 ss ttk/bbi/np are really potent

and all in all atleast equal

Sin has the correct burst windows for KR that has great pull sizes for 3 SS

Dunno of a class that can do more dps in kr than sin

maybe ig fire mage or fury

[modest tendon]

I’ll think about some sims tonight I’m interested now

I don’t think there is much in it

[rigid mango]

I think KR might be the place for VoP minor if anywhere tbh

[modest tendon]

Do any outlaw high keys pushers specifically go sin for ToS and KR?

[rigid mango]

I know lettuce has tried it before atleast

Exsang is really good there too

[modest tendon]

Dratnos does I think

[rigid mango]

I think people stil

play outlaw for comfot

not optimisation

[modest tendon]

I play it for safety/team play, I die less as outlaw because of the out range and my team all prefer to play around outlaw over assassination

[rigid mango]

Yeah so then it'll probably be better out of circumstance not what's actually best granted they were on equal footing

[modest tendon]

For sure, I believe on really big pull dungeons 3ss 3eb will win out over outlaw now, also it’s very possible as you say that kr and ToS assa will do more damage

[rigid mango]

3 eb ss has honestly always won out on overall to outlaw

It's just been about why would u play that when you could do a bit less and then just get outlaw

But with outlaw nerfs a while back and all the other options being kinda mediocre I guess it might be the best

TTK feels underwhelming, bbi is inconsistant

[modest tendon]

It’s ttk that is putting me off assa, if it was better tuned, like as well as dead shot or ace I would happily play it but it doesn’t stack too well

[rigid mango]

Honestly, it's not a ttk issue

It's the lack of actual prio damage that fok does

Outlaw gains prio by aoe'ing

Sin loses

I think fok'ing wins out on prio at like, 8-9 targets or something

[modest tendon]

I’ve had the most success using assa as the aoe carry spec

I think everyone has come to a similar conclusion, especially this season

[rigid mango]

Pretty much.

Which is sad

But I still think sin is a really good spec for constant 3-5t

[tribal garden]

sin is so much fun

but traits aren't really easy to get

i mean it's not my main so that's the issue

but to be competitive with outlaw you need those specific traits it seems

correct?

[modest tendon]

I think the problem with assa is that although eb is a strong trait it doesn’t gel with the spec too well

Is they give eb to sub

And then buff/change SoB to make it better

The spec would be better

[rigid mango]

Problem is

Eb costs 3 slots

Wits costs 1

Wits gains huge on anything over 1t

Sin needs to specialise, which is something I like, but it's not optimal

[young portal]

@upper veldt font can be great in organised pulls, but in an unorganised pug it can become a liability with restealths etc

[strange python]

26% haste is a waste?

[rigid mango]

is that even a question

[modest tendon]

Swapping out eb can mean you loose so much overall damage though

In m+ it is 😛

[rigid mango]

#outlaw

[strange python]

Hello guys do you save your coral for your last Vendetta? I mean for you last vendetta you dont use font and only use Coral with a high amount of crit?

[vast forum]

font/coral usage is pinned somewhere 😛

oh it's not pinned but it's 1 of the latest posts in #tc-updates

[modest tendon]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[vast forum]

that's m+

[modest tendon]

Meh

It’s basically use font with vendetta on 10 seconds cd, activate vendetta, activate coral as soon as it’s up, tb and then pump

[strange python]

@modest tendon so dont stack a high amount for the last vendetta?

[modest tendon]

But use coral on your first vendetta after pull

[strange python]

yeah sure

[modest tendon]

So you should have like 10-20 stacks or something

[strange python]

i read the pin but a friend said he is stacking around 25 stacks on the last

[arctic walrus]

Your friend’s wrong

Font 14s before vendetta, vendetta 14s later, coral 6s after that

Or basically, when it’s off cd

[strange python]

I think its like that using font pre combat starting stacking coral (in vendetta) using font when its ready using vendetta use the stacks after vendetta reaplly

etc

thank @arctic walrus

[tropic ocean]

@strange python u only stack it if u use inkpod

[strange python]

so without im using coral every 20sec? Except i have use font?

[arctic walrus]

Pretty sure you wouldn’t though? I believe I’ve heard that here

[strange python]

i mean when im stacking the crit i have more dps

[arctic walrus]

No dude not every 20s

[strange python]

in my vendetta burst windows

[arctic walrus]

Correct

You just have to make sure to reapply it

That’s it

[strange python]

i have a annoying weakaura for it

the phone ring until its done

😄

[mossy tree]

Is it best to use rank1 blood of the enemy or rank 3 focusing iris for M+

[scarlet sequoia]

rank 3 iris

[mossy tree]

when does blood of the enemy become better? rank 2 or 3?

[scarlet sequoia]

3

[mossy tree]

well rip

[bronze summit]

whats the best way to grind it btw?

[mossy tree]

just bg

its so much for me tho cuz i dont really like pvp

[bronze summit]

me neither but meh

[prisma valve]

you don't really need it btw

[mossy tree]

what rank 3?

[prisma valve]

BOTE

[bronze summit]

?

[prisma valve]

Iris performs relatively close anyway

unless you are pushing extremely high the difference isn't worth the grind until 8.3

since they are likely nerfing the requirement

[bronze summit]

bote puts damage where you want on dps checks 🙂

they are not nerfing botE again

just rep based ones

[prisma valve]

pretty sure they will nerf bote again

even if they haven't said so yet

[bronze summit]

idk

anyway in EU there a bg week in 2 weeks so.. might be a good time to farm it

[strange python]

So in keys, is coral generally used?

[arctic walrus]

Pretty much yeah

[strange python]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[quiet gull]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[brittle birch]

Does the difference between ct/hb basically boil down to personal preference?

[hushed maple]

Hey guys which essences are the best for Assa raiding?

Mechagon one?

Nazjatar

and?

[scarlet sequoia]

condensed life force major, lucid and iris minor

[hushed maple]

damn I was thinking Mechagon to be bis in major

[scarlet sequoia]

no

[hushed maple]

for NP

[scarlet sequoia]

its bad

[hushed maple]

aw :C

sounded insane in theory for me

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah but no

[hushed maple]

😭

I haven't done Azshara yet

so I dont have the essence

[scarlet sequoia]

u dont need to kill azshara for it

[hushed maple]

no?

[scarlet sequoia]

u just need enough aqueous reliquary

[arctic walrus]

It’s a currency. Azshara, radiance, and court drop it

[hushed maple]

ah yeah damn

have 6 only

started last week again

430 currently

[arctic walrus]

Yeah, it just takes a few weeks if you don’t do mythic

[hushed maple]

😭

[arctic walrus]

And if you’re not killing heroic Azshara it’ll be even more

There’s no rush though

[hushed maple]

there is

I am a rogue main

my DPS is all I got xD

[honest vessel]

Lucid/bote are both really good if u have either of them

Bote moreso

[warm sable]

Any tips for Myrthic Queen

[hushed maple]

Kill her

Shaman for +10000% dmg boost

[verbal knot]

Keep your teams HP above 0 while simultaneously reducing her HP to 0

[gusty mirage]

@hushed maple lmao

[strange python]

@glacial vault

[wooden orchid]

How many targets does fan of knives beat mutilate if you have no EB traits

[rigid mango]

4-5+

[wooden orchid]

My for orgo is bad and I think I’m spamming fan to much

[rigid mango]

for overall damage

[wooden orchid]

My dmg*

[rigid mango]

But if you're aiming for boss damage which you should be

just mut

[wooden orchid]

Yea RL wants me to be focusing boss we killed it last night and I was outlaw but timing was bad and my boss dmg was shit so he wants me to go assasin for that fight

[rigid mango]

Yeah then go standard build and just blast it

[wooden orchid]

So just fan to spread poisons then continue mutilate

Is it worth rupturing then? They seem to do quickly so I doubt it

Seem to die *

[timber meadow]

can you link logs? My guess is that if you're guild is killing org now, you can do really good outlaw st dmg relative to your raid group taht would impress your RL

and nnot necessitate a switch

[rigid mango]

Odds are add damage doesn't matter and all they need is boss damage

no reason to go outlaw if that's the case.

[agile heath]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic walrus]

Wouldn't that 4-5 target number go up with 2-3 dd or is it already taken into account?

[rigid mango]

It's 4-5t with dd afaik

Havn't done sims this tier though

But normally it's 3 without anything

[arctic walrus]

Ah kk

[untold pollen]

hi guys, how many envenom should we fit in tb windows?

[honest vessel]

3 is what u should aim for

[untold pollen]

ok ty bro and if my tb is up and my vendetta is up in 20 second i should wait or press tb?

[harsh sphinx]

It would be back up shortly into vendetta. Holding TB is not good for your dmg

[untold pollen]

10*

sorry xD

[arctic walrus]

Aim to get 1 tb in your vendetta

[untold pollen]

ok ty bro sorry for the dumb question

[wooden orchid]

Here’s the log https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/CcmxXvyLzN2WfQHD#fight=49&type=damage-done

Funny that 57k is a gray parse with outlaw lol

My boss dmg was only 30k so it was really bad comparatively to others

[arctic walrus]

@untold pollen so in your case, if it's 10s, you would tb on cd, but hold the vendetta 5s because you'll be able to fit your 9s of tb inside the window

[untold pollen]

oh yeah i never thought about that thanks

[shrewd iron]

How should I use coral with font in raids?

[rigid mango]

#tc-updates

[shrewd iron]

Ok thank you @rigid mango

[strange python]

Feint for bursting? Or do I need the talent

[rigid mango]

You need elusiveness

[strange python]

Gotcha least I could help healer a tad

[rigid mango]

It's really good yeah

[icy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dgSTaKeEonAWiYW9Npwx7o

[radiant python]

Do we have any ideas what Rogues will be in 8.3 from a tier standpoint?

[arctic walrus]

They're always good

[distant lava]

you take out the buffs

best melee spec

[brittle birch]

is the difference between ct/hb in m+ just a matter of personal preference?

[honest vessel]

Wait who doesn't go pb

Is that the new hotness?

[brittle birch]

apparently

[brave vector]

A lot of high level players are just specializing in AoEing in high keys and just running CT/HB

[brittle birch]

I tried hb in underrot last night and it didn't feel like I lost too much st, I haven't gotten a chance to try tempest yet

is it played for the damage of the bleed or just for extra energy regen?

[brave vector]

CT doesn’t proc energy regen

[rigid mango]

There's no extra energy reg

[brave vector]

The bleed is huge damage in m+ overall though

[brittle birch]

oh my bad

[rigid mango]

It would be mega broken if it did

[brave vector]

Haha wouldn’t even need ruptures in aoe anymore, gggct and blast prio

But yeah @brittle birch I personally like CT, you gain a lot in trash damage and it doesn’t seem like I lose TOO much in st if I were to run PB instead

[brittle birch]

damn does the bleed really hit that hard? do you need a certain level of mastery for it or is there no breakpoint?

[brave vector]

I’m not even sure, think it really just depends on your personal preference. I’m sure most people will tell you to just go PB no matter what. It’s a good set and forget talent that preforms in both st and aoe

[brittle birch]

true but i feel like i'd really like playing CT haha

do you just use it on 2+ targets?

[hushed maple]

Damn...my Weapon Enchants are Force Multiplier and Masterful Nav. lel

that seems fishy

[hasty fiber]

i always rotated through quick deadly and masterful its not too fishy imo

[cunning geyser]

Hey sry I asked similar question yesterday but didn't get to see the reply. At Azshara, when she spawns do you keep everything vendetta included until adds spawn ?

[hasty fiber]

I dont

I just pop everything on her

Cause my guild needs to get her to 66% anyway to phase her for serena and all those other ward sucking bitches to spawn

[cunning geyser]

so you don't do anything to adds right ?

I mean you dps a bit but I mean it doesn't do much without BoE

[arctic walrus]

You can save blood for the add spawns, it gives you 2 foks/env on azshara

marginal either way

[hasty fiber]

^

I usually have my bote up again to 2fok/env

[cunning geyser]

oh and you vanish before

so azshara spawn, vendetta + vanish, adds spawn you bote ?

[hasty fiber]

yeah thats what i do

so after decrees end

stealth

or font

then stealth then normal assa opener

then adds spawn run to mid bote double fok/env

Also @rigid mango is shadowmeld into stealth still a thing in m+

[cunning geyser]

I font but how can you stealth without using vanish here ?

I vanish before envenom

ok

[hasty fiber]

you drop combat before she even spawns wdym

[cunning geyser]

oh do we 😮

[hasty fiber]

yes...

[cunning geyser]

at end of decrees I font usually

and I do'nt seem to be out of combat

but I'll see next try

[hasty fiber]

im always out of combat unless im just being dumb

holy shit i dont even remember anymore

also anyone know if shadowmeld into stealth still a thing?

For m+

[arctic walrus]

No you don't drop combat lol

[hasty fiber]

oh rip okay so no dropping combat

[strange python]

Hey guys maybe u can say a bit to my perf. I have ep done today my Logs was around 65 - 85 %. Is that ok without any benthic in the Raid I was doing 38 - 44k dmg. I also don’t have boTe.

[hasty fiber]

Thats pgud

[prisma valve]

prob fine, hard to say without looking at the logs

but prob fine

[strange python]

Thank u . I can link my Logs later but I have a avg 70 %

[rigid mango]

@hasty fiber wdym

ofc it is

[hasty fiber]

like youre running m+ with a group

you shadowmeld while fighting a pack

Proc a stealth

Then 3 garrotes from subterfuge?

Thats still a thing?

@rigid mango

[rigid mango]

Yah

Meld is super strong

That's why you see so many mdi pros go alliance

[fading stag]

Trying to do more m+, was wondering what trinkets to use? I have spyglass, coral, font and inkpod

[hasty fiber]

@rigid mango @hollow agate can you find a clip of them doing it for me cause this tyler dude wont hop off my pp until he gets proof

[rigid mango]

I mean just

make a class trial?

[winged storm]

Should my major essence be Guardian of Azeroth then my two minor essence would be lucid dream and focusing iris?

[rigid mango]

If they're all rank 3 yeah.

For raiding anyways.

[fading stag]

@rancid citruse Could you help me with which trinkets to use in m+?

[rigid mango]

Sup.

[fading stag]

haven't done them much, only have spyglass, font, coral and inkpod? Are there better ones to get

[rigid mango]

I mean you "only" have all the good ones

[fading stag]

Ah okay I thought I had seen others be mentioned but couldn't remember names

When should I use some over others?

[hasty fiber]

Passive trinkets are easy af to use

Deadeye+dice good pair

inkpod+deadeye goodpair

inkpod+coral goodpair

Coral+font same thing

[rigid mango]

spyglass + coral is what I use

spgylass + inkpod is super nice if ur just autopilot

[fading stag]

And those combinations could be used no matter the week?

[hasty fiber]

I like having inkpod cause it shreds through fort movs

Mobs

[rigid mango]

Wouldn't use coral font

[tame tangle]

Hey can we cloak the charge on court

[rigid mango]

Yes

Font's good if you're on voice with the group

And comfortable with pull patterns

[tame tangle]

Thanks zine you a real one

[rigid mango]

[fading stag]

kk and essences, bote vs iris major?

[rigid mango]

Bote

iris is fine but bote is optimal

[fading stag]

alright cool and is 2 ttk 2 eb 2 ss optimal? or something else

[rigid mango]

3 ss 2 eb + another eb/ttk/bbi

In general that's optimal

You drop to 1 eb for KR, and 3 eb might be optimal for fort fh/ml

[fading stag]

Got it thanks for the help!

[winged storm]

How much crit should I have

[rigid mango]

There's no required stats

There's only what sims best

[winged storm]

Ahh okay

[nimble mesa]

Guys, do you pull energy before envenimate to mutilate under the poison proc chance for double dose ?

[hushed maple]

Ehm

I don't get that Question

[rigid mango]

You should be getting all your mutilates in env

[hushed maple]

which makes sense, since you have to dumb CP and generate

[rigid mango]

Yeah but if you're starving and want to pool after

And you wont be able to get your mutilates in the env window

[nimble mesa]

Okay, I definitively wasn't doing that.

[rigid mango]

Well, it shouldn't relaly be a thing you need to do anyways

with current scalings you have sper high uptime anywyas

[nimble mesa]

sper ?

[rigid mango]

Super*

Tabbing in and out mb

[steel terrace]

!stat

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[steel terrace]

i guess its not updated

[rigid mango]

It kinda is, but the info is useless either way

[steel terrace]

im returning to my rogue and im kinda lost

dunno where should i look at for bis azerite, trinkets and all in general

[meager nebula]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t24-assassination is as good a place to start as any

for azerite powers you're better off simming with them though

[torpid cradle]

finally got 2 daggers , anyone knows why i sim so low? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aRkt16pNeBCYJZao88jVCD

[strange python]

Im no expert but going ot learn from this

[arctic walrus]

0 benthic, bad azerite, bad trinkets, 2 sockets, no clf rank 3

[strange python]

Does Benthic really help? because it was simmed with Nazjartar Disabled

[vast forum]

what single target content do you do outside of EP tho?

[jaunty crystal]

benthic is amazing if you get the right pieces with sockets.

[torpid cradle]

i mainly play m+ with outlaw

wanted to try assa

[rigid mango]

And you're simming single target for m+?

[torpid cradle]

i just wanted to get an i dea of my st damage

idea

[vast forum]

5 min sim is not the way to go then

[latent gazelle]

any reason to run visions minor over C&S or flame in M+?

for tyr maybe?

[arctic walrus]

If anything you'd run visions on fort weeks

[rigid mango]

Gain is 0 on bosses

It'd be more worth while for fort probs, yeah.

[vast forum]

vision minor is only good if bosses last 1.50-2.10

and even then it's probably nothing special

[arctic walrus]

Hm nope don't think so

[red zealot]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[red zealot]

Just returning to WoW What essences do I want for Sin/OTL?

[arctic walrus]

clf/bote major, lucid minor, and stuff like iris/strife minors

[red zealot]

So I choose 1 major and then 2 minors right??

[arctic walrus]

When you hit 65 neck level

You have to level up each essence 4 times, the 4th time being cosmetic only gain

All vary in what you have to do, but I listed the ones you will change between. 2 are pvp oriented, 1 is a month long chain of 10 minute dailies, one is from a few weeks of m+, and one is strictly from raid reclears

[red zealot]

Hmmm aweome thank you

[drifting cloud]

dailies are 20 days at worst, can be further reduced by some other things to around 15 days

[red zealot]

not too bad just have to get the essences really

[muted cove]

is it worth it to use Bote over CLF on Orgozoa or is that just for parsing with EB?

[hasty fiber]

depends on what your guild needs from you

ST = CLF

Padding = BOTE

[neat remnant]

is there anything in EP that feint actually works on? it seems pretty meh

[arctic walrus]

I mean yeah

A lot of things

Not sure what ep you’re running

[neat remnant]

specifically things like orgoza blast? maybe I'm misunderstanding the spell

[hasty fiber]

Add blast?

[neat remnant]

the shocky thing, I forget the name

[cobalt pelican]

arcing current

[neat remnant]

yes! that

[drifting cloud]

it doesnt work on current

[hasty fiber]

i usually feint spec into 30% dmg reduc + crimson vial it

[rancid bobcat]

its good for zaqul and azshara

queen's court

[hasty fiber]

yeah

[arctic walrus]

Literally every boss has a use for it lol

[hasty fiber]

i dont find myself using it as often except in zacool and QA

healers too godly

[arctic walrus]

I’m not advocating for its use on every boss, just saying each boss does have an ability that could be mitigated

[hasty fiber]

^

[cobalt pelican]

feint is like

a button every class wishes they had

[arctic walrus]

Feint is a prog only spell

[pearl pagoda]

can you cloak beam now?

i know you havent been able to

but i swear to GOD i just did

[arctic walrus]

Beam who

[pearl pagoda]

oh

im dumb as hell

azhara lmfao

[arctic walrus]

You could always cloak the beam my guy

[pearl pagoda]

its never worked for me

[arctic walrus]

Has been working okay for 2+ months

[cobalt pelican]

it's always worked as far as i'm aware

like it never got changed at all

[wide hedge]

yeah but why should you cloak the beam. Just dodge LUL

[elder saddle]

Just

[harsh harness]

Imagine even dying to the beam

[simple rivet]

first attempts on mythic azshara tonight and I was cloaking the beam to run through if SS was down all night

new to sin though so other than that I was pretty garbage.

first night, 3 hours and best pull was 89% 😅

[harsh harness]

I mean 89% for the first day is fine

[simple rivet]

Yeah, it was pretty expected. Tricky fight... going to be a long prog. Za'qul took us 157 pulls. Azshara will probably be closer to 300

[harsh harness]

Azshara isn't that hard anymore, depends how often people forgot to soak

But yea something between 200-300

[drifting cloud]

yeah its gonna be more

[distant lava]

At 269 rn

I hope you're right

[simple rivet]

what's your best attempt dj

and do you mind sharing some logs so I can check ya out? I normally play outlaw, but playing sin for this fight.

[distant lava]

% doesnt matter wherewe are so

15%on 3rd tidemistress id say

[wide hedge]

well after the nerf it should be closer to 200

we killed her prenerf and had about 350 tries, now its just a "joke" 😄

but if you have problems as assa in that fight, just ask for advice

[drifting cloud]

thats not how progress works

[distant lava]

I mean if your guild is getting there now

[drifting cloud]

your guild would kill it closer to 200 sure, a guild that just killed zaqul wont

[distant lava]

And also the tidemistress nerf helped a bit

But the biggest nerf was to phase 4

Which you dont get to until the end

[drifting cloud]

nah p3 nerf is pretty big

just way more consistency

[wide hedge]

yeah the p3 nerf was crucial

[simple rivet]

I've got plenty of noob questions about sin. I look at ravenholdt and logs, but one thing I see is when people use TB/Vendetta. I see some people pop it before Ven, but most use TB within Vendetta.

What would the reason be?

[distant lava]

TB on cd

Is the answer

[harsh harness]

I mean we killed it mythic week 3 with around 240 pulls or so.
The hardest part is p3 kinda

And the damage checks are really low nowadays

Compared to back then

[distant lava]

Yep

Phase 2 can be tricky

When your raid is still finding its marks

[wide hedge]

just use the WA's 😄

[distant lava]

I know in the beginning we had a little problem skipping the add cause dispels were slow and peeps not efficient with dispells

[harsh harness]

There is a WeakAura for that

[distant lava]

I know

[harsh harness]

And then you can rotate wl dispels and mass dispels

[distant lava]

Yeah thx

Doesnt mean you do it fast and efficient instantly

[harsh harness]

Also there is a small border on the console, where wl dispels are line of sight

Pretty dumb design

[distant lava]

Designing a boss around LOS is dumb anyways

[harsh harness]

Better then Jaina tho

[rigid mango]

Atleast the boss is consistant and not jaina spell queueing garbage

[harsh harness]

Rnd icefall which wiped you where the best thingy

[rigid mango]

Either way this convo is far #wow-general now

[wind moth]

how do we burst aoe in world content when we need to gather mobs up?

was gonna try a combination of talents that makes Fan of Knives hit like a truck

Feint has a long cooldown

icyveins says Master Assassin but that only lasts 3 seconds so without feint it falls off before everything is in range

[dark crag]

I play subter with ss, sprint garrote 3 mobs spam fok, gather mobs kill them

[quasi ledge]

Press FoK and/or use Beam, same as M+
Not really sure what you're asking regarding feint either

[wind moth]

not the same as mythic+ tank gathers the adds

i'm talking solo content

do we just not use Master Assassin?

[dark crag]

Spam fok

Ma are 3 secs

[quasi ledge]

You gather them instead, done

[wind moth]

and use a dead talent okay

[dark crag]

It's world content

[wind moth]

i'll just take Subterferge

i just boosted

[dark crag]

You literally won't ever gather all the mobs in 3 sec and also kill them

And if you vanish the mobs reset most of the time

Subter with ss traits, garrote 3 mobs, rupture on 1, spam fok env, mob dies, you get energy back rinse and repeat

[versed scarab]

Hello

[dark crag]

Bye

[wind moth]

we're squishier than mages aren't we? thank goodness we have evasion and cloak

[dark crag]

Not really

[tropic ocean]

@wind moth in open world pull all

beam it down repeat

[wind moth]

no essences yet

gotta start somewhere

aren't we pretty vulnerable outside of cooldowns? don't feel confident yet to pull beyond 5 mobs at once

[tropic ocean]

depends solely on your gear

[wind moth]

390 boost gear

[tropic ocean]

in open world usually no issues, use leeching poison and u will heal more in big aoe than they dmg u for most part

[wind moth]

50 neck

[tropic ocean]

390 might be some issues

just try and see how far u can go

[dark crag]

If things turn bad, vanish

[subtle tundra]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=296140/8-3-ptr-corrupted-updates-corrupted-weapons-corruption-resistance-on-legendary-c

do we really not get a weapon with a special effect the whole expansion?

it doesnt mention daggers

[rigid mango]

Doesn't seem like it.

[subtle tundra]

seems bullshit

[shrewd night]

PTR is PTR. Subject to change, it is not a finalized build.

[dark crag]

I hope agi dagger gets a nice effect and agi 1hand something worthless

They had folly in ep

[tropic ocean]

@subtle tundra how many weapons with special effect we had since bfa? 😛

[subtle tundra]

none?

[tropic ocean]

bingo

[cloud sandal]

trust me

it'll feel worse then getting no folly for 8 weeks with rolling heroic and mythic

[distant lava]

@dark crag implying we won't still be playing folly in 8.3

[cloud sandal]

tbh i dont know why folly gets 2nd stats aswell

seems really fucking op

[timid slate]

Guys with 2 echoing blades traits at how many targets is fan > mutilate?

[arctic socket]

Believe it was 7-8 targets probably wrong tho

[cloud sandal]

yeah

2+ target

[graceful mirage]

With 2 echo its 2 targets or more

[dark crag]

Ink pod into folly with 5 buff, gg

[cloud sandal]

wrong channel

[dark crag]

I didn't want to make outlaws wet

[brittle cave]

It's an aggressive #outlaw marketing campaign.

[inner sonnet]

Looking at the Ny'Alotha loot table.... nope, no daggers.

Weapons for EVERY SPEC except daggers rogues

[arctic walrus]

I could never imagine the ptr having unimplemented content, for something 2 months away

[rigid mango]

And everyone'll wear 25 corrupt items

[arctic socket]

Hmm I wonder what the bis effect would be 2% auto atk seems nice

[arctic walrus]

Good luck holding a 2h staff

[arctic socket]

Hmm it seems like it would still be nice of a effect 😀

[rigid mango]

Yeah only issue would be not being able to do damage but yah

[arctic socket]

I’m meaning the effect on daggers ;/ but I mean hey if I could equip staffs why not?

[arctic walrus]

Going to safely assume they wouldn't just copy and paste an effect when they all seem unique and exclusive

Would be neat for a soulcap proc

[arctic socket]

I am hoping for a nice effect 😛 but does anyone know back story to the corruption etc

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[arctic walrus]

nozth bad -> gear is now bad

[arctic socket]

Ah I should look into it seems nifty

[wise stratus]

Ah yes very nifty indeed 🍷

[arctic walrus]

Oh I see we letting anybody in here

[wise stratus]

it is i

[arctic walrus]

[wise stratus]

Wait

You have blue name

[arctic walrus]

Of course, blue is bis

[wise stratus]

Ight imma head out

[arctic walrus]

[wise stratus]

:kek

Damn

The mobile emote fail

[arctic walrus]

:kek

Probably here to wonder why I'm so much better than you

[rigid mango]

Very assa

[arctic walrus]

[wise stratus]

Ye you right im spyin

[rigid mango]

[arctic walrus]

Why talk in guild discord when there's ravenholdt

[wise stratus]

Peep me in the dk discord tho vel

Guild discord scares me man gotta hang out with the assassin boys in here

[arctic walrus]

come #off-topic so zine doesn't crucify us

[rigid mango]

[echo cargo]

I also noticed PTR has no dagger effects in 8.3

and the weapons in the raid seem pretty OP 🤔

[jolly steeple]

generally there are no agi 1h last time i looked 🤔
so Rogue, Enh and DH have to hope the weapons are just nyi and not "just not there"

[scarlet sequoia]

all the weapons with special effects seemed to have max corruption

so dont worry too much

[vast forum]

but i want cooler corruption effects than "increased crit dmg"

[arctic walrus]

What's cooler than topping the meters

[wet yew]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[agile tulip]

hello, when simming 8 targets it tell me to rapture all of them (using 3xEB, 3xSS) is that the correct thing to do on aoe?

[bleak spoke]

what's cooler than being cool?

@arctic walrus

[subtle tundra]

how do you play with crimson tempest? im looking at the top rogues and the majority plays with it

i thought poison bomb was the meta hmm

also i notice everyone has around 35% crit, why so?

[scarlet sequoia]

if u know u know

[subtle tundra]

but i dont know cause im bad

2k pleb 😦

[scarlet sequoia]

u dont need crit unless u go with 2+ echoing blades

or well u dont need as much

mastery is better cus of 3x ss

[subtle tundra]

well im playing 2xss 2xeb 1 loyal 1 ttk

[scarlet sequoia]

then u prolly wanna stack crit

[mighty pelican]

well shit that's what i get for looking at icy-veins

i've been stacking crit

[scarlet sequoia]

dont look at icyveins ever for anything

just ask in class discords

[mighty pelican]

half the icy veins pages are written by people in the discords, and they tell you to look at icy veins 🤷

[subtle tundra]

i could go 2x ttk and 3xss instead of loyal to the end and eb*

[mighty pelican]

but fair

[scarlet sequoia]

theyre often outdated

safer to check high end people or ask here

[mighty pelican]

👍

[hasty hamlet]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[rigid mango]

@mighty pelican it's written by a dude who has a special role but doesn't play any of the specs and never updates the guides, Wowhead guide is probably the best there is outside of the baseline info the ravenholdt guide brings to the table.

[mighty pelican]

Thanks! hard to track where to go for each class so like raz said I'll probably just rely on class discords going forward

This is probably a stupid thing to say - but even stacking crit I'm always top damage by a large margin in my m+ runs so hopefully it can only get better

only really do 10s though

[rigid mango]

You should be stacking crit

Crit is never bad for m+

Mastery is also really good though. The trick is a healthy amount of both

[mighty pelican]

I've been doing crit/haste

so still probably somewhere to go

[rigid mango]

Haste is bad for m+.

It's by far the worst stat

[mighty pelican]

goddammit

good to know, thanks

[gusty mirage]

@rigid mango speaks the truth, don't ever prioritize haste for m+. I feel like crit vs mastery is a preference/playstyle/gear decision but you can't really go wrong with either unless you already have a huge amount of crit

[rigid mango]

There's no "too much crit" really, there's just if other stats suffer from crit stacking. Mastery is fantastic with how CT + 3 SS scales with it, Crit and vers are insanely good for higher EB counts.

[gusty mirage]

^

[rigid mango]

Aslong as it aint haste, it's good.

[gusty mirage]

I'm currently at about 39% crit/42% mastery and it feels really good. I just have to stop being bad with CT to push myself further I think. I'm just abysmal with working it into my rotation

[rigid mango]

42% mastery is on the lower end for sure, if your vers accounts for that loss it's ok-ish

[gusty mirage]

I still have too much haste unfortunately 😦 my vers is around 5% if I remember it correctly

I think I'm at like 13 or 14% haste rn

I also need to stop being lazy and grind out this last bit of honor for rank 3 of blood

[mighty pelican]

bg weekend is coming in 2 weeks

i'm waiting for that to get r3 personally

[arctic socket]

Hmm anyone tried stacking crit for pve? Does it work nicely?

[dark crag]

No

Yes

Maybe

[arctic socket]

Currently I’m pulling 40k deeps with crit/mas stacked I do have 3 OP traits tho (40k deeps with only rank 2 traits) Idk if that’s decent

[arctic walrus]

You could link actual metrics instead of just saying it and we could judge it better

[rigid mango]

Yes, like I just said it's good for m+

and no stat is worth "stacking" for raid

It's just what sims best.

[arctic walrus]

But zine, if I have 100% crit, I'll do double my damage

[arctic socket]

I can post logs once I get home out in town currently

[rigid mango]

True.

[arctic walrus]

sorry, @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

[arctic socket]

If you had 100% I wonder what your deeps would be 🤔

[rigid mango]

Double.

[dark crag]

Was it 50% in pvp only?

Crit dmg

[rigid mango]

Yes

[cobalt pelican]

but muh combo points

[strange python]

@glacial vault

[idle lily]

can assassination's compete with outlaws damage in mythic?

[cobalt pelican]

mythic.. plus?

i guess it doesn't really matter which you're talking about the answer is yes

[idle lily]

Sorry thought i put a + in there

[marble hemlock]

Yes. If you have the right azerite pieces, you can out-dps outlaw on AoE. Assa ST in m+ suck ass though

[idle lily]

which is i guess easiest to gear

https://raider.io/characters/us/area-52/Nastasi

this is my rogue

[marble hemlock]

Well, the "bis" azerite setup for Assa requires 3 pieces from the vendor, meaning you either gamble or save 600k residue for specifics 😛

[idle lily]

0.0

[arctic walrus]

outlaw is easier to gear for, and can just out perform sin because it doesn't have to specialize unlike sin

[idle lily]

i have 3 SS currently but my azerites are low

i'm considering maybe switching to outlaw but i've never really played it so i feel like ill be much worse as outlaw

[arctic walrus]

Your dd and np are pretty bad picks for m+ as well

[idle lily]

so do you think with current gear i could possibly preform better with outlaw?

obviously i dont have weapons to match whta i have now i think i have a 405 and a370 sword

[arctic walrus]

I'm not a fortune teller

read up a guide, sim your best azerite, and try it out in a key

[grave trail]

so for parses is Hist.% the one that matters or the one that shows when u click

for sin

[arctic walrus]

historical is just your parse at that moment in time, with that number of parses

[grave trail]

Ok i understand that part but for example

lets say today got a 95% historically on queen azshara but then when u click its a 91

and that was logged today

[rigid mango]

#wow-general

[grave trail]

its for sin

: D

[rigid mango]

You're talking warcraftlogs

It's not related directly to sin

[grave trail]

for assassination dosnt count?

ok ill post there then

let me copy paste

[brittle birch]

is one ttk considered mandatory for m+? or can you just run 3x SS 3x EB and be fine

[rigid mango]

It's not mandatory at all.

[brittle birch]

i've been running 3x SS 2x EB 1x TTK just to make my single target feel a LITTLE bit better but i might just drop the TTK for another EB

[harsh sphinx]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[zenith cloak]

should you vanish TB or envenom when youre running master assasin

[arctic walrus]

Tb vanish envenom

[zenith cloak]

ight cool ty

[polar glade]

When running 3x Double dose, you want to hold your envenom to you hit 80ish energy right? So you can do 2x mutilate right after

[pseudo hamlet]

@polar glade what? Double Dose increases your mutilate damage all the time, doesn't matter if you use it two times in a row or once.

[rigid mango]

He's asking a legit question and yes kinda