assassination

[red plaza]

TB window is ok to refresh bleeds and its not the end of the world, but you never want to have to reapply bleeds during a MA window.
vvvv minus the opener ofc ;)

[rigid mango]

In opener you do

[nimble tinsel]

And per the discussion that happened this morning, it is better to at least make sure you won't be refreshing rupture during TB, even if that means refreshing slightly sooner (9 sec remaining) than the full pandemic window.

[rancid bobcat]

azshara can't parry right

[rigid mango]

0.1% gain, yea.

Not enough to care about tbh

[dark crag]

Vendetta windows are the important parts

Rest is just a bit crit luck and no major fuck ups

[verbal knot]

!font

Cant remember the command!

[arctic walrus]

There isn't one

[verbal knot]

one for using font and coral

[solid nova]

Its pinned

[verbal knot]

thanks!

I found it

[tame tangle]

How often do you guys actually get 3 envenoms in a TB window outside of vendetta. It feels very rare for me unless I get lucky with extra cp of mut, but most the time it’s only going to be 2, maybe even 1 depending on bleed refreshing

[rigid mango]

Very often

You should be pooling for it

[arctic walrus]

If you pool and plan ahead you can get 3 regularly

[tame tangle]

I am, incorrectly though apparently

[rigid mango]

Are you not not pressing buttons?

[tame tangle]

I am , but I think maybe I’m going into it with just the energy and not cp ready as well

You will need cp ready for envenom straight away to reliably get 3 off in the window right?

Along with the energy ofc

[arctic walrus]

If you go in with both full points and a good chunk of energy, you're more likely to hit the 3rd env, assuming no crits

[tame tangle]

Yeah I’ll need to pull up my logs again to see for sure , But i think I’m just not reliably going in with the cp. I always pool energy for sure so I’m not sure what else it could be

Also, how much attention are you guys paying to EP. the guides hardly mention it.

[rigid mango]

You just mut to 3+ right after the last finisher before pooling

and then p much afk until TB

[nimble tinsel]

The amount of reference of EP in the guides is about how much you should be paying attention to it 🙂

[tame tangle]

Lol honestly I think it’s fucking me up trying to fit 2 mutts into it each time. Idk I’m still learning

[nimble tinsel]

The last I recall discussion on it, maximizing EP windows is probably the lowest priority thing in our entire rotation to the point that perfecting literally any/everything else on your rotation is going to have more impact on your dps. It's just there for free damage.

[rigid mango]

I mean you'll pretty much play EP optimally anyways

Env is more important anyways

[arctic walrus]

So if you have points ready for tb, you get in that last envenom 1 gcd earlier, which is 50 energy that you would've had to make up out of nowhere

Assuming no crits btw

I hope I did this right don't hurt me zine

[nimble tinsel]

Maybe in the final tier if we reach a point in gear/azerite crap/whatever where half our gameplay isn't afk, EP windows will matter again. But even then, it usually ends up being more about EP uptime more than trying to maximize individual EP windows.

[rigid mango]

you think I'm reading that?

I mean, there's no reason not to optimise Env and EP

but you pretty much do, from just playing

[nimble tinsel]

Ya, GG Autopilot class

err spec

@arctic walrus Assuming no crits and no pooled CP for the right section, shouldn't the open be TB Mutx2 Env? Which makes it even worse lol

In fact it looks like that pushes the 3rd env off the table entirely due to GCD lock. Which really just emphasizes how important going into TB window with 4+ CP is.

[arctic walrus]

Yeah oops

[raw oasis]

What's the optimal number of bleeds to increase single Target damage? Aka orgozoa, focusing on boss only, is it beneficial to dot adds? With double doses, I'd imagine mut spamming is still better than fok for point builders, yea?

[nimble tinsel]

I believe around 5 targets is energy positive. If you are just looking to max pump into boss, I would imagine getting poison + rup on all 3 adds would be best, assuming the adds will live the duration of the rup.

Then just continue normal single target rotation and enjoy the extra energy

[tropic ocean]

it depends on ur haste

7% or more smth is 4 ruptures

below is 5 or so cant remember it exactly

and yeah in orgozoa u want to put 4 ruptures and then eb+envenom
Using mutilate to build in orgozoa when adds are up is not recommended I guess unless you desperately need the st on the boss - and with fok u also can poison multiple enemies which you want for the energy regen

[rigid mango]

11% is the haste breakpoint between 5 or 4 bleeds

If you're going for boss damage, you don't use eb nor manically bleed otehr targets

You should always be mutilating too, if you want boss damage

[whole dew]

hi. how to use pawn . for Single target and multi target ( M+ ) anyone can help :c

[solid nova]

Best answer is don't use pawn

Sim yourself on raidbots

[whole dew]

on raidbots . ty

[robust river]

Any of the gladiators helms useful for PVP ?

for PVE*

[arctic walrus]

Is it 450?

If so then the leather hood

Although it's = to zaq helm

[robust river]

No but I'm not that far in haha, it's be 402

420

[fathom viper]

yeah the leather cap is dd/np/op

[echo cargo]

What are the two focus stats if you're doing delirium realm for M. Zaqul?

Crit + Mast/Vers?

[rancid bobcat]

i wouldnt concern yourself too much with swapping to a specific gearset for that

But yes, those two

[rigid mango]

Just anything that's not haste

[rancid bobcat]

You still spend plenty of time outside delirium

[rigid mango]

Meh

[rancid bobcat]

And honestly the add will die as long as your team doesn't mess up

[rigid mango]

who cares about outside

[rancid bobcat]

Just not a big of a deal that they seem to be making it out to be

If you have fairly equivalent ilvl stuff that doesn't have haste and are willing to reslot gems, go for it

[red plaza]

Any tips on staying alive during the first delirium realm?

[rigid mango]

Use leeching poison

[rancid bobcat]

Hope your raid lead doesn't assign people that can cleave you

[upper canyon]

I go in with fire mages, its a great time

[shut pasture]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[balmy stump]

anyone know how blood of the enemy works in mythic plus?

like do i apply garrote and then use it?

or do i have to use blood of the enemy, vanish and then apply garrote

[arctic walrus]

In the pins

[long anchor]

Dots are dynamic

[zinc zealot]

triple garrote from stealth > rupture > Blood of Enemy > Fok Spam

[winter aurora]

After tripple garrote rupture bote we should fok spam all the time while bote debuff is activated on the enemy?

[zinc zealot]

depends if there is a prio target or just pure aoe

[winter aurora]

i mean pure aoe ofc

[lofty viper]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[little cipher]

When to hit coral on opener?

[rigid mango]

As soon as you can

It doesn't cost a GCD, so literally as soon as you can

[shut pike]

Just curious are the standard mech rings (Behind/haste) greater then 440s?

[pliant snow]

Hey, are the pufferfish bracers vailable? Still haven't got the one from Ori's

[rigid mango]

@shut pike you can sim them using gear compare

@pliant snow yes, they're only a small bit behind

[pliant snow]

Thanks god i wasted so many perls atleast i keept holding on to them

[devout thicket]

any WA you folks are using for the HoA essence cooldown? i'm using the afenar WA pack, so this is pretty much the only thing i'm missing

[cobalt pelican]

just make a template in whatever style you want with the trigger being Heart Essence

[strange python]

Can an assassin rogue look at my gear and tell me what gear pieces I should change to versa?

I am straight crit haste mastery

but I don't know what items I should aim for to change

[scarlet sequoia]

sure

[strange python]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/silvermoon/heurei

[sterile tinsel]

u know how we can dispel the minions in KR in the first boss room, how comes sometimes one lives and then pulls everything to the group? am i doing something wrong?

[young portal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[scarlet sequoia]

@strange python dont use 80 agility gem, 50 secondary stat is better, also you dont really need versa its fine without, your stats arent horrible tbh, just focus on getting more gear

[rigid mango]

@strange python use topgear on raidbots.com to determine what pieces to swap

[strange python]

Thank you for your help guys

[heady tusk]

any assa with giga patchwerk sim that can share his report

[rigid mango]

@scarlet sequoia

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/35LUm2UmzFmYTwGhGnfUf3

here u go

[heady tusk]

thank you

[drifting cloud]

what the fuck raz

oh the font

[scarlet sequoia]

[drifting cloud]

thats prolly like 1k more than a 430

or close to it atleast

[scarlet sequoia]

it was like 800 more than 435

socket helps ofc

[heady tusk]

damn i really need font then

[cobalt pelican]

head out to the store and purchase yourself 1 445 socketed font

[distant lava]

raz is a very talented gamer

[scarlet sequoia]

no kappa needed bro

[vagrant nexus]

!essance

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tropic ocean]

ring set + aberration belt 55k

goooo

[scarlet sequoia]

need sockets on the mecha rings for them to be better sadly

[tropic ocean]

oh crazy thats some really good rings then

for me mecha set sims on 415 better than 450 socket and 435 socket but i dont have 3 op so I guess it will change with zaqul helm and gorak tul

haste is 5.2 statweight atm

but yeah besides mainhand and socket ringset u pretty much have bis gear

[scarlet sequoia]

gonna be hard to get a lot better yeah

[arctic walrus]

Really force multipler?

It goes back to being good?

[scarlet sequoia]

sims better for me ye

deadly navigation seems a bit overkill with my gear

i have 37% crit

so it makes sense

[tropic ocean]

imagine todays crit rate with antorus t4

the dream

[arctic walrus]

It's been 2 months now since I've gotten an upgrade

[heady tusk]

@scarlet sequoia what about your stats, can you share?

cause your profile has sub gear equiped

[scarlet sequoia]

37% crit 21% haste 33% mastery 4% vers

i use loyal on chest, hence the low mastery

[heady tusk]

isnt 3 DD better tho?

[scarlet sequoia]

no

[fervent jasper]

Stats wise for m+ I'm at 40% crit, 12% haste, 44% mastery, and 1% vers

Is that okay

Or should I drop some mastery for some vers

[hidden bay]

am i too late for the big sim club? Kappa https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aecqd4C5vrHT2vTQD8MfKp

raz having sockets on both weapons

[inner wedge]

What are BiS Azerites?

[arctic walrus]

For

[inner wedge]

Azshara mythic

[rigid mango]

Standard ST

[inner wedge]

ST?

[rigid mango]

Single target

[rancid bobcat]

same as it ever was

[tropic ocean]

for azshara you mostly wanna use bote/lucid/iris or c&f @inner wedge

at least 53784

ok but this is the assassination rogue channel

and worldvein resonance is just simbait

[scarlet sequoia]

some1 ban him

[tight topaz]

What is the favored/preferred race for rogues?

alliance ^

[arctic walrus]

Human does the most in terms of damage but just pick the one you like aesthetically the most

[strange python]

Night elf

for shadowmeld

free extra stealth in some situations

[rancid bobcat]

panda

[royal lantern]

race doesnt matter except for visuals 🤷

[arctic tinsel]

hey is there a particular build we go for with azerite or is it just a "follow bloodmallet tier list" kind of situation?

[tropic ocean]

yes

[arctic tinsel]

traits i mean not essences

[tropic ocean]

Depending on encounter

[arctic tinsel]

😮

[tropic ocean]

Warcraftlogs.com will tell you what is good for which

For m+ its shrouded suffocation, echoing blades and twist the knife

Mix as you like

[arctic tinsel]

what about 3v3?

[dense cedar]

Outside of TB how much energy are people usually pooling up to before using a finisher?

[arctic tinsel]

is twist or any other trait worth stacking?

[tropic ocean]

In pvp you want 1 shrouded and rest twist/battlefield focus/nothing personal is what i see high rates rogues use

[arctic tinsel]

in m+ do we stack twist?

[rigid mango]

stack shrouded

[arctic tinsel]

in m+ or pvp zine?

[rigid mango]

Aim for 3 SS + 1 EB and fill out rest with more eb, ttk or bbi

m+

There's a pvp guide in the pins in #pvp that has all the azerite etc stuff tehre

[arctic tinsel]

oh awesome thanks a ton!!

[cobalt pelican]

no problem 🙂

[elder gulch]

is there a macro that makes a target Set focus?

[cobalt pelican]

huh

/focus

[elder gulch]

oh lol

[rigid mango]

Fairy as always

[cobalt pelican]

i am quite apt in the hackerman ways of wow macros

[dense cedar]

Outside of TB how much energy are people usually pooling up to before using a finisher?

sry for reposto

[cobalt pelican]

120 give or take for env, nothing for rupture

[dense cedar]

ty

[hardy carbon]

Hi guys, quick question about mythic zaqul. Are assassination rogues the best for delirium team?

[arctic walrus]

They're one of the best yes

[sour wraith]

BoTE on cd for azshara?

[arctic walrus]

Cd?? No you still line up with vendetta

[placid dawn]

is spamming fok on zaqul good enough to stack inkpod?

[arctic walrus]

No not at all

[placid dawn]

how should i stack it then?

any tips?

[arctic walrus]

Normally? What kind of answer are you looking for, it simply stacks up as you damage the boss

[placid dawn]

because i dont want to damage zaqul that much so we can push at a certain time

[arctic walrus]

Are you soley talking about the wait before p2 around 86%

[placid dawn]

the wait before p2, yes

[arctic walrus]

Well you're stopping dps, so you should stop dps

it's 30 seconds, very miniscule at the end of the day

[placid dawn]

i think the point is that i should just keep stacking inkpod for the extra damage

well, every inkpod user

[vast forum]

tell other dps (who don't have coral/inkpod) to stop earlier so you can keep stacking your shit

also, i'm fairly certain most guilds don't do the "waiting" strat anymore

[tropic ocean]

autoattacks cant stack inkpod

😛

[distant lava]

I just kept dots up and melee'd him

[dark crag]

Keep garrote up

Should proc inkpod

[final hull]

boys ? can you help me with my stats ? https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-gb/character/eu/drakthul/nikox

[rigid mango]

The best help is Raidbots.com

[final hull]

i don t know if i m building correct stats , every time i sim myself i should use another ring

[solid nova]

Use top gear

[rigid mango]

You should use raidbots.com

go on top gear

[final hull]

so another question . Is 16 % haste enough for single target ?

[rigid mango]

U s e t o p g e a r

Please, these questions are personal

You don't want a set amount of anything

Stat values and priorites change with what you're wearing

[final hull]

hmm

interesting

[subtle tundra]

i was looking through top assa m+ scores and there were a couple using iris minor, why?

[arctic walrus]

because it's good

What level keys actually

and affixes

[scarlet sequoia]

they probably log out in raid gear

no one uses iris minor in m+

[subtle tundra]

i figured that out, but how so? it gives haste and you also change target a lot

they were in m+ gear

[arctic walrus]

Yeah mb I misread, didn't the the m+

The gear/talents vs essences can be mispatched for no real reason

it's just on their end

sin gear/essences/talents but wrong traits

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah

nobody uses iris minor in m+

[arctic walrus]

You don't play outlaw do you raz

[subtle tundra]

i dont have conlfict and strife and i was looking for a replacement, im using crucible

[left moth]

Does anyone know if purification protocol minor procs threw AoE too, like spamming Fan of Knifes?

[rigid mango]

Raz does, vel

Strife is the best

PP is seemingly decent

But range and proc inconsistancies

Make it, well, inconsistant

[left moth]

yeah my strife is at rank 2 right now im working on it

but it procs from AoE ?

[arctic walrus]

yes why would it not

[distant lava]

@arctic walrus yes he does

[rigid mango]

Already said so dj

[left moth]

if its that uncosistant u think its worth using rank 2 strife over rank 3 protocol then?

[arctic walrus]

@arctic walrus Raz plays outlaw too

[rigid mango]

I have a personal hate against PP, but maybe?

Idk, tbh

[arctic walrus]

I mean it'll definitely be more consistent

[rigid mango]

I don't like the inconsistancies that PP has

[left moth]

okay thanks, i think i will use the rank 2 then 😄

im bad at rng 😛

[scarlet sequoia]

uh i played assa most of the keys @arctic walrus

just started outlaw randomly

[distant lava]

"randomly", as in he got asked to switch

[rigid mango]

[left moth]

outlaw

[nimble skiff]

How good is the engineering helm for assassination in m+?

[cobalt pelican]

not very

[languid trellis]

Hi

How to simm for driblin inkpod?

[rigid mango]

What?

[languid trellis]

how to simm with inkpod, i mean, how to make it "proc"

[rancid bobcat]

When you run a simulation with it equipped, it will proc

[rigid mango]

It works like it should in sims

[warm sable]

Any tips for Orgozoa mythic ... st or aoe ...trinkets... azerite ...

[arctic walrus]

Well

Do you need st or aoe

[warm sable]

What makes more dmg

I see top logs are all aoe

3xEb 1xss 1-2xrupture

[worn crag]

Finally I finished farming blood of the enemy r3

[shy dust]

Are you talking about trying to parse better or actually killing the boss

[warm sable]

I would like to kill thee boss

But more dps is good

[shy dust]

Does your raid need more ST or AOE

[warm sable]

I think aoe

Dunno what trinkwt to use

Or neck essence

[worn crag]

Which essence combination are you playing in Raid?

[warm sable]

Gardian lucid

[shy dust]

If you’re going AOE I would give a mix of EB and Scent would be nice. But you’d be better off going outlaw

[warm sable]

Is blood better thsn guardian ?

[subtle tundra]

it all depends

if you need boss damage

or if you need add damage

everything depends on that

[warm sable]

I would like to make balance

[rigid mango]

Playing the aoe build is bad on prog

There's other classes that have way more efficient ways of cleaving

instead of just ff'ing all your ST the way sin does

[warm sable]

I am rly good ST

[rigid mango]

Then do that

If your raid DESPERATLY needs aoe

After you've tried to make people cleave

Then you swap.

[worn crag]

Zine which major/minor essence are you playing for st?

[rigid mango]

But odds are you wont ever need to

CLF + lucid iris

[subtle tundra]

i played a mix of aoe and st, with the SS build using vanish 1 on boss 2 on adds, with clf major

dont use iris cause you need to dot adds

[warm sable]

Just wanted to help some aoe with blood maybe

[rigid mango]

I played entirely standard ST

And just clapped the boss

Like you should

[warm sable]

But didnt palay blood at all

[rigid mango]

If you want to ultimatly be as efficient as possible in your progress of the boss

[warm sable]

Ok thank you

When is the best way to use blood essence ?

[tropic ocean]

with vendetta and vanish

however for orgozoa you should adapt to what your raids need, playing eb/sb build doesn't completely gimp your st as you still do around 35-40k boss dps if you play properly

[worn crag]

lol i recognized that i disenchanted high attitude turban in july. almost strongest azerite head gonna restore it 😄

[scarlet sequoia]

what

[arctic walrus]

He must've rounded up that "almost"

[worn crag]

I want to switch to assasination for m+ because I need something new to play and in july I gambled the high attitude turban but I scrapped it because it was shit for outlaw^^

[scarlet sequoia]

its shit for assa too

[worn crag]

when i look at bloodmallet it´s on position 6 for HAC

position 7 is flashpowder hood

[arctic walrus]

yeah no

hectic add cleave is not m+

and like

[distant lava]

bloodmallet

[worn crag]

yeah i know but for the first look i thought it would be ok

sure it´s not m+ 🙂

[arctic walrus]

it takes unstable catalyst, which if the tank moves okay now you're -1 trait

[worn crag]

that´s right never did read was this trait does lol

flashpowder head is better?

[hoary patrol]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[robust river]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mVz3YFr52uqiFHBHGw1jkX

So, this is where I'm currently at. In a heroic prog group for EP with some friends

Naz boots and naz gear to 425 is easy (but slow) goal

Other than Heroic EP and praying for upgraded versiosn for M10, anything I could be working towards>

[distant lava]

I mean

[robust river]

I should be able to roll a 445 Azerite on reset, which slot is best to go for?

[distant lava]

you're saying other than anything I can do for gear ?

[robust river]

Any other gear or other stuff I can do

[arctic walrus]

you do a droptimizer and go from there

[distant lava]

you can do pvp for nicer azerite I guess

[arctic walrus]

why do you not have higher ranked essences

[robust river]

Droptomizer has all M10 stuff as a 0.1% upgrade (which I'll still farm for) unless it warforges etc. so will just slowly farm that stuff while running mythics

[arctic walrus]

like lucid

[robust river]

Haven't been playing long so working on Lucid

[arctic walrus]

isn't it like, 3 days worth of quests though

[distant lava]

nope

[robust river]

For rank 1 yeah

[distant lava]

rank 3 is like 20 days

[arctic walrus]

Yea but he don't even have rank 2

[distant lava]

if you don't do barks and daily items

[robust river]

Rank 2 is 10 days I think? Rank 3 is more. I'm like 8 days in I think?

What's barks? I've been doing follower missions every day

Since I realised I needed it 😄

[arctic walrus]

get into pvp so you can get higher azerite potentially and working on your c&s

[robust river]

C&S i'm working on, up to 8k now so nearly at rank 2

Rank 3 is a long term goal haha

[arctic walrus]

8k what?

[robust river]

Honor

It's 10k for rank 2 now i think

[arctic walrus]

c&s is arena rating

[robust river]

Oh teh arena one

[arctic walrus]

But yeah, guess you need blood as well

[robust river]

I was thinking of BotE

Head Shoulder or Chest from 445 gamble btw?

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer

[robust river]

Ah didn't realise there was an Azerite cache setting onthere, thanks

[tropic ocean]

@worn crag for m+ u want irontide captain's hat or

cowl of fluid machinitions

alternatively helm of hideous transformation or shroud of unmooring whispers is "ok" too

maybe theres some good helmets from pvp too for m+ but idk about them

[crisp hollow]

feels like every pvp head is ttk+EB in some capacity

so they’re decent

[strange python]

the day has come for me to pick my starting azerite gear trait

is twist the knife good at all?

none of these traits look interesting, regardless of spec

please tell me the traits get better later on

[rigid mango]

TTK is aight

DD NP BBI Loyal and the 3rd ring trait OP are the best

[strange python]

i don't think suffocation will work with the playstyle iwant

[rigid mango]

TTK is good on the basis of being a decent trait but on really good pieces

[strange python]

oh ok

i ended up going with TTK since it seemed like the best option

all three didn't look good, but of all those, it seemed the most bearable

[rigid mango]

Simming's your best option

For single target stuff, anyways

[strange python]

if i were sub i'd go with first dance, since i'm trying to do sustainable damage

but i'm assassination so... yeah

is there anything that will end up buffing my poisons?

[lost horizon]

There's a talent, but it doesn't really see play in PvE content

[strange python]

i mean as far as the azerite traits go

so i guess i'm outta luck there

also i guess that means i'm the only one who uses that talent lol

[lost horizon]

Poisons are pretty passive to begin with

[strange python]

yeah but they're so cool though

honestly i really like the fantasy of it

assassination in general i mean

[lost horizon]

Rogue has solid class identity overall

[strange python]

yeah

[lost horizon]

But yeah poisons like, 90% of the time they're just kinda there

[strange python]

you can be an assassin, a sneaky serial killer, or a thug who shoots everyone in sight

yeah

i feel like such a badass when applying my poisons

like "who am i gonna kill today?"

[lost horizon]

Aha, tbh outside of a few situations the most I interact with poisons is having a giant WA that tells me if I need to reapply them

[strange python]

i've found that when you queue into a lower level dungeon and the level sync happens, you lose your poisons when you get in

so that kinda gets on my nerves. but for the most part it's great

[royal lantern]

you lose your poison for so much stuff 🤷

[civic palm]

Any time your weapon ID changes you are going to lose your poisons.

[royal lantern]

enter a tw dungeon? gone, enter a bg? gone, enter arena? re-apply every single time again

[strange python]

i've just kinda accepted it as a fact of life

[hollow chasm]

when you see hidden blades on orgozoa

[robust river]

Whoops. Raiding in my M+ gear, didn't notice till halfway through fish ahah

[primal turret]

Anyone knows a pvp guide of the matchup aganist different classes?

I only know how to play aganist the specs i know how to use

[arctic walrus]

#pvp

[shut garnet]

any videos of assas on azshara worth watching

we got to it and i feel like im Pepegaing a lot

[rancid bobcat]

just watch any melee

[shut garnet]

because every melee cd manages vendetta blood and keeps poisons up the same right

[sonic ferry]

just learn it urself ur gonna be on the boss for 10 years

dont make it boring

[shut garnet]

true

[tropic ocean]

?

u can watch any melee pov

the fight is straight forward with cds for assasination

vendetta pull vendetta azshara vendetta first add

then vendetta azshara again

[rancid bobcat]

lamo wtf melee is melee

at least in azshara's case

[steady owl]

if i wanted to go sin on orgozoa and do add damage what would be the traits for that? the usual m+?

theres a rogue in my guild going 3eb and 3 scent but im no sure if thats optimal

[scarlet sequoia]

well if your guild isnt struggling with add damage then just play normal single target stuff tbh

[steady owl]

i think they are

[scarlet sequoia]

then just go like

2/2/2 or something

3 eb 3 scent is definitely not the move tho

[steady owl]

im thinking that too. i cant restealth outside of using vanish i think thats why hes doing it

but i think hes losing a lot of dps wihtout ss

[rancid bobcat]

probably 3 echo 2 shroud 1 scent

is what i'd throw out there

[robust river]

Uldating tides isn't worth it is it?

[rancid bobcat]

no

[robust river]

Got a Tunic of Sycophant (430) to go over my 415 but it sucks haha

7th Legionnaire (415) sims better still 😦

[arctic walrus]

what level content are yo udoing

[robust river]

Heroic EP

Mythic +10s ands tuff

[arctic walrus]

what's your 415 traits?

[steady owl]

but is it something thats normally done? sin for adds damage? dont we usually go either sin with an st build or outlaw on orgozoa?

[arctic walrus]

the 15ilvls + mostly high uptime of ut might make it okay

[rigid mango]

If you want add damage, go outlaw

On prog anyways

Sin does more add damage

but it sacrifices a lot to be as efficient as outlaw can be

at doing both

[robust river]

I cant gaurantee high UT uptime though L/

My current chest is TTK+DD. I'd have ot swap NP from my helm

[steady owl]

i agree but i did more boss damage as sin, but he other rogue did more overall so the rl wanted me to go with the same build as him, but i think its bs, i should just go outlaw, buts its not my call

[rigid mango]

No, if your RL can't see the obv diff

then he's dumb

[robust river]

😄

[steady owl]

i dont know if he reads this forum so im not gonna say anything to that 😄

but i doubt it 😄

[rough agate]

Is anyone simming 54k+?

[rigid mango]

Raz is

Why do u wanna know

[rough agate]

curious where we will sit with super gear

[rigid mango]

Mid 54k

with super optimised gear

[tropic ocean]

@steady owl 3eb 3 sob is one of highest overall dmg builds

so if u want to blast adds and padd its the build to go

u can still do 35~40k boss dps with it

[rough agate]

ok if i can get a gorak ill be 53.5k or so thanks

[tropic ocean]

thats idk 10-15k less with st traits?

[rigid mango]

There's more efficient ways to get that aoe damage

If you need it, for prog

Than go mongo pad

[tropic ocean]

I mean you still do more boss dps than shadowpriests do

even with that build

many of these top log shadowpriests have sub 30k boss dps

😄

[lost horizon]

Top logs aren't a great example though

That's gigapad

[steady owl]

if i go 3ss 1eb 1bb 1ttk what can i expect from that? or 222?

[tropic ocean]

not sure why'd you wanna go 3 ss

[rigid mango]

Some of them are blasting 90k but also nearly 40k boss

If you want the damage on the adds, you've got outlaw that's just far more efficient as a class at doing that

And only gaining ST damage

You can spec into more aoe if you want, or more ST if you want

There's classes, outlaw alike, who sacrifice less ST than sin does for the sake of add damage

[steady owl]

how much dps should i do on the 3 target dummys as sin with m+ gear? or how much do you do right before you get vanish back?

[ebon trail]

If my rogue is newly 120 and i have all benthic gear, but no BIS benthic gear, should i just keep rolling for the proper piece with socket? Or should i upgrade gear for ilvl?

[steady owl]

i dont drop below 53-55k sometimes more. strange question maybe

i just like to practice rotation on those since i have to move a bit

[ebon trail]

Suggestions on what to do with mana pearls regarding earlier post?

[arctic walrus]

You reroll for bis benthic and that is it

[ebon trail]

don't waste to upgrade gear for ilvl?

[arctic walrus]

You gear ilvl upgrades from elsewhere

[ebon trail]

kk

[arctic walrus]

exactly, waste

[ebon trail]

didn't want to waste pearls

keep rolling for socket?

[arctic walrus]

on the correct pieces

[ebon trail]

yeah i see pinned message

assuming our boots is highest priority there

[arctic walrus]

boots you want to get first and upgrade last

[rough agate]

Just starting zaqul and im supposed to go down p4 del 2 should I go full st for that one moment? So like no purification protocal and whatnot

[ebon trail]

Yikes

looks like this might take a long time

[arctic walrus]

are you only going down for the 2nd echo

[ebon trail]

tyvm for help

[arctic walrus]

queue raz

[rigid mango]

waits

[rough agate]

yeah just that one time

[arctic walrus]

Then eh you're probably fine with pp

can take c&s as well

[rigid mango]

PP hits other melees downstairs

It's infuriating if you get hit by it at the wrong time

[rough agate]

ok

thanks

[scarlet sequoia]

np

[tulip lily]

hello should i run both coral and font

or coral + 445 harlans

feel like 20 trinket cd after using font makes them not worth using together?

[tropic ocean]

for raid?

idk your ilvl but font is most likely way better than harlans and you get 10s~ from coral+font together which is very good

[tulip lily]

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/zuljin/spoo

430 coral 415 font 445 harlans

on the table

[tropic ocean]

run a sim and see if 415 font beats 445 harlans

[tulip lily]

it does by 0.6%

but how do just do opener and coral after

because of the cd

[tropic ocean]

Font & Coral Useage

• Use font 5s precombat (to allow prepot time) and after that pretty much on cooldown as long as Vendetta has less than 20s on its cooldown.

however with this marginal dps increase misplay will probably make the trinket worse than your harlans so keep that in mind

[tulip lily]

sorry

couldnt read

appreciate it

[wanton pond]

if im not using ss how do I use MA in m+?

[latent gazelle]

Stealth in. Open with FoK rupt fok rupt?

Reg single target opener for bosses?

[cobalt pelican]

just.. use subterfuge?

you don't need shrouded for subterfuge to be the better talent really

though i have no idea what kind of janky gear you have to have 0 shrouded

[echo void]

what should my haste be sitting at for pvp?

[hybrid quarry]

Hey, just to confirm I'm reading the guide right, for M+ Essences, i'd want something like Iris, Purification/Unbound/Memory (interchangeable depending on the tank / pull style)?

[hybrid quarry]

I dont have anything. My rogue is like 380 ilvl with a 36 heart C:

[tropic ocean]

Iris major

Lucid minor until u have rest

[grand plank]

How does Assassination perform on Mythic Zaqul? Been seeing some videos and it seems like a cleave heavy fight. Just wanted some input.

[meager nebula]

its pretty strong

sin benefits from being in delirium as well

[rough agate]

I really hate font lol

font+coral

[strange python]

It does more boss damage than any other class on zaqul

By far

[rigid mango]

Don't agree on that, but sure

[hybrid quarry]

Huh. Interesting concept @strange python where did you get that opinion?

[strange python]

From doing the boss

[rigid mango]

It's for sure one of the best ones

[hybrid quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23#boss=2293&metric=bossdps&dataset=75

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23#boss=2293&metric=bossdps&dataset=99

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/statistics/23#boss=2293&metric=bossdps&dataset=90

[strange python]

I mean I averaged 60k active dps on zaqul

[hybrid quarry]

It definitely is in the top. But it's not the best.

[rigid mango]

Linking 75th percentile

[hybrid quarry]

I linked 75, 99 and 90 fyi.

[rancid bobcat]

The fuck is active dps

[strange python]

When you’re hitting the boss?

[hybrid quarry]

That means nothing

You can do 200k active dps on a boss.

Anyone can.

[strange python]

I’m so confused

[hybrid quarry]

Burst then die

Pads the absolute fuck out of your active dps.

[rigid mango]

Ehh, what?

[hybrid quarry]

Active dps is only the dps you deal while you are actively attacking the boss, so if you burst then stop attacking; your active dps is super high.

[rancid bobcat]

I mean if you cut out p1 everyone's damage goes up

[rigid mango]

I don't agree with sin being by far the best

[hybrid quarry]

Because it isn't.

[rigid mango]

But you can look at the logs and see that sin is still one of the best, consistantly

[hybrid quarry]

It is strong / one of the best, but it's not the best, and definitely not by far.

[strange python]

If you’re going down I don’t see what class would beat sin?

[rigid mango]

Priest does

Atleast according to logs

Sin is consistantly in the top though, only beat out by inconsistant locks or hunters, or priests

[hybrid quarry]

On 99th percentile: Priest Arms.
90th percentile, Survival, Shadow, Sub, Enhance, Arcane
75th, Survival, Shadow, Feral.
All percentiles, Survival, Shadow, Feral.

[rigid mango]

There's also like, 50 feral and surv logs

Max

[rancid bobcat]

Look at that sub at 90%

[rigid mango]

Very bad metrics to use realistically

[strange python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/1qhVzHJcPdWkfGBC/#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1&target=30&cutoff=3

[rigid mango]

Esp since you can't average sin's dps on logs

When you have so many, probably a majority, doing echos

So thr average boss dps will be lower

[hybrid quarry]

The max spri did 59k dps to zaqul. The max BM hunt did 58k dps to zaqul.

This is the 100% parses.

[strange python]

Had pulls 60k+ on zaqul

[hybrid quarry]

60+ real, or active?

[strange python]

Real

[hybrid quarry]

Cause no one gives a shit about active. That means nothing.

Then upload that log ^^

[strange python]

They’re above

[hybrid quarry]

If it's legit, youll be granted top dps in the world.

For zaqul only dps.

[strange python]

Well, nice

[hybrid quarry]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/sargeras/rikiboi

Is this you?

[strange python]

Yes

[hybrid quarry]

How can you claim to have 60k+ dps on zaqul when you havent killed him?

[strange python]

I linked you the pills

[hybrid quarry]

You gotta kill the boss for dps to count

[strange python]

Pulls

[hybrid quarry]

Wipe dps means nothing

[strange python]

Let’s see your logs

Average dps over 30 pulls does matter btw, not sure what you’re on about

[hybrid quarry]

I'm not the one bragging.

[strange python]

I’m not bragging?

[hybrid quarry]

Kk.

[rigid mango]

This aint the e-peen measuring center

Move on

[strange python]

All I’m saying is sin does insane boss damage on zaqul

If you go down

[hybrid quarry]

And all im doing is countering you with hard facts that it's not the best, let alone the best by a long shot.

[rigid mango]

It's far from a long shot

[hybrid quarry]

But as i agreed before, it is very strong.

[rigid mango]

But yeah, not the best

[hybrid quarry]

It is one of the best.

[covert tapir]

You can totes do 60k dps if the raid dies when ur at that point. But Lear is right overall dps average from the kill matters more. Shhhhiii I can confidently say I can have 60-70k dps on ashvane wipes. but that don’t mean crap because on kills I average at like 45-48

[muted adder]

has sin changed much since legion?

i dont remember it being this straightforward

like a lot more timing and tracking involved

[sonic ferry]

sin has always been straight foward

[dense cedar]

Legion sin just had like

more buttons to press as frequently

actually

not even

[fathom wyvern]

so on court progress if you swap to all wipes in a log, can you filter out boss dmg from when silviaz is at 35% hp and see from there who only targets him or do i need to check every pull 1 by 1?

[worn crag]

Guys can you have a look at my logs from yesterday evening. I´ve mained outlaw also for raid but I started bgs for the R3 essence of Bote and also arena for strife and sin is so much fun so I wanna go for it also in raid and m+ but it seems that I´m doing much more worse than with outlaw in raid :D.

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p3YVrGRNdmQva4c8

[sonic ferry]

well ur running subterfuge for starters

[worldly iron]

Subterfuge only works alongside Shrouded Suffocation azerite traits. in your case, you should be running Master Assassin. Undulating Tides is also a pretty inconsistent trait since you'll lose the damaging part of it for 45s if you drop below 50% health

[solid nova]

-Traits are bad
-Opener is wrong
-Potting focused resolve?
-TB windows are lacking
-Garrote and Rupture uptimes are low

It's basics tbh

[worn crag]

Hmm ok. I´ve simmed MA vs. subterfuge and sims told me subterfuge is around 100 dps better. I know that the tides trait is shit but I don´t have any better piece for it. So I´m gonna read the guide one more time and gonna practice it 🙂

[modest tendon]

Link the sim

[worn crag]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skqzCbrRM6aev42yiExY3X

[solid nova]

100dps?

[worn crag]

It was yesterday I´m at work^^

So I didnt know the numbers but I thought 100 dps 😋

[worldly iron]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oJQMM4ZpgociJtR9S6NV4C

sims are telling me it's just straight up better

[solid nova]

Vani, you're comparing 3 talent sets that are exactly the same

[worldly iron]

accident ok, I am on work laptop on the run, I just pressed master assassin once, I thought

[solid nova]

[worldly iron]

guess I pressed something else, too

[marble magnet]

Which is easier/less complicated: exanguinate or toxic blade

[rigid mango]

TB is better

in literally every scenario

So don't ever pick exsanguinate

[winter moss]

just take tb, missing competition on this talent row

[placid dawn]

playing subterfuge is more consistent than MA so i would play it if its the same dps

if you get shafted on the MA window it feels horrible

[rigid mango]

It's +- same

and MA is better when you're optimised

[placid dawn]

yea, i know MA is better, just saying for the guy up tere. If its the same for now might aswell use the more consistent option

[winter moss]

if you played legion you should be used to the ma window

[rigid mango]

I meean

Subt is more complex that MA is

[placid dawn]

in legion it was 100% crit, no way to get fucked by rng

[rigid mango]

Sooo if that was the question

MA is the better option

And also, it's the better for dps

so

[solid nova]

I mean the sim takes into account that variation

[winter moss]

but the way you play it out the same way

idk what you are on about

[rigid mango]

MA's simpler to play and beter

I see no reason to play subt

[placid dawn]

I dont know, i guess its just my opinion that subt is easier

[winter moss]

id not say that

[cobalt pelican]

do you still hold vend for vanish with no shrouded

i've never even

play with that

[winter moss]

subt has a bit more complexity to the entire talent itself

[cobalt pelican]

sounds like such an awkard delay for like 50dps

[rigid mango]

Subt is literally just

harder

because it adds complexities if you're encountering more than 1 target

[solid nova]

Or you just accept the fact the difference in dps is nil, and play MA as you'll be playing it when you're optimised anyway

[rigid mango]

You're talking about your personal pref from playing one more than the other, most likely

[placid dawn]

yea, i guess thats the case

In more than 1 target it is more complicated

[rigid mango]

on St it's more complicated too.

MA is literally just get crit when pressing vanish

you have to actually fit certain GCD's into subterfuge

[placid dawn]

Might be in general i guess. I guess im just way too used to playing subt

[rigid mango]

Yes, it's because you've played more subt

not because it's easier

[worn crag]

I'm gonna build the engineering head and buy gorak tul shoulders that should help me. Then I need to find a good chest and I'm fine. Gonna try MA later in the evening when I'm home from work

[placid dawn]

"buy gorak tuls" good luck bud

I still don't have mine 😦

[winter moss]

maybe he did save up

[worn crag]

I have 190k now

Next reset I can buy them 💯

[winter moss]

see

[cobalt pelican]

my 11th roll will be the roll

[scarlet sequoia]

bis azerite since week 3

[distant lava]

yeah life is good amiright raz

[scarlet sequoia]

hell yeah

[worn crag]

I didn't roll since I got three times the same head was fishing for irontide for outlaw 🤔

I was so fucked so I told myself stop rolling

[tropic ocean]

U can get good chest just from blackwater

In few weeks u can probably pug it cross realm

[lethal heart]

alliance holds us hostage there

[tropic ocean]

I didnt realize in what kind of bad spot alliance is until someone messaged me from top 300 guild that they pay faction change if i join them

[winter moss]

with the last release of content the rest of free good players went to horde as the market is bigger there

cant even get any upgrades as a w300 guild

[rancid bobcat]

never gamble, always hodl

esp if you're going for that 1/6

[woeful hare]

wba if you are going for 2/6

[strange python]

If you transfer to horde does your reputation switch?

[rigid mango]

Wrong chat

#wow-general

[tough dome]

m+ question, I have currently 3ss,2eb,1ttk (3rd slot: blood siphon, unstable flames and OP), if I sim it tells me to switch shoulders, equipped was Pistoleer's Spaulders for the extra SS but is 3 SS not necessary? Simming says run 2eb2ss2 scent of blood. Should I keep any ttk on the build or just do what sim says?

[vocal kelp]

m+ simming is not reliable for assassination

i would stay with 3ss,2 eb, 1 ttk

maybe even 1 more ttk if u can

[marble hemlock]

if youre nightelf, always go for 3SS

even as non-nelf, the current seasonal affix allows for a lot of restealths since no one really chainpulls anymore these days

so id definitely try to hold on to 3ss, and skip scent. running scent and eb/ttk in the same azerite setup is a bad idea since they work against each other

multiple EB make you want to overcap CP to spam fok, running ttk makes you wanna spend a lot of CP on envenoms, scent makes you want to multi-rupture more than just the ones you need for energy sustain

[tough dome]

yeah I've been trying a few different combos, just simming for reference. thanks though. the only other thing I was wondering is how important vers is? I know it differs from person to person but mine is sitting at 1% and its 3rd on my stat weights. I wasn't sure if I should bring it up my %'s are 33 crit 13 haste 46 mastery and 1% vers

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/area-52/akirath

[whole dew]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[turbid osprey]

How many targets do you need for max energy regain?

Or is it gear dependent?

[tropic ocean]

its dependant on your amount of haste

4-5 ruptures

[tough dome]

ok so I got stat shifting to do for mt, thanks!

[rancid bobcat]

i would still hold for 2/6, maybe even 3/6 cause a guildmate got screwed going for a 3/6 chance like 4-5 times in a row

we have good alternatives in raid, and even if not, using a 435 piece isn't the end of the world

i doubt you need 3x 445 to function in raid/m+

and if you are actually pushing top whatever cutting edge/24s then you dont need this advice

[tropic ocean]

but the question is if holding is really worth it 😛

like u need 8 weeks? for a guaranteed piece ?

so why not roll 4 in those 8 weeks and maybe get not bis but a good piece that improves your character and will actually help while you still progress the bosses

[lost horizon]

For shoulders specifically the radiance ones aren't bad and are super early

[tropic ocean]

orgozoa decent as well

and rollin tentacle laced decent as well

one thing to consider is trading as well having 3x 450 pieces early means u can also trade to improve your roster 🙂

[lost horizon]

Yeah, but hence why someone might want to save since there's shoulders that are comparable to any vendor piece that isn't gorak

I'm not saying it's the right call

[tropic ocean]

well yeah if you got shoulders already and only need shoulders save yeah

[lost horizon]

But depending on your prog it's not the worst option

[tropic ocean]

often saving is just suboptimal

[nimble tinsel]

Honestly the first 3 bosses in mythic can get you a full set of pretty solid Azerite.

[tropic ocean]

like if I saved for all 3 slots that be 24 weeks? or smth

what content would I need them for then anyway

everything is done

[nimble tinsel]

Plus if you end up scrapping every single gamble piece you do (which is highly unlikely), every 6th? one is "free"

Because of the returned residuum

[rancid bobcat]

i mean like, behemoth chest is head to head with cephalohide

head options suck so just go engi goggs

(engi is the best prof don't @ me)

for m+ you can roll 4/6 decent or better for head

and use blackwater chest

[shut garnet]

how do you play blood in m+ again

do you g g g rup then blood for 3 targets

[winter gale]

Guys, if I am not in Delirium grp wich spec is better for me to play on Zaqul Mythic ?

[shut garnet]

and g g g rup vanish g g g rup blood for 7+?

[rancid bobcat]

press blood after getting 3 garrotes then do dam

[rigid mango]

No, press it after 3 g and 1 rup

[rancid bobcat]

yeah you dont have to sync it up with vanish

[rigid mango]

I don't like, ever open up with 6 garrotes

It's just more efficient to reapply garrotes

[wise stratus]

Yeah opening with vanish feels bad once those garrotes fall off for sure lol

[worn crag]

I have Mythic radiance shoulders and my gorak tul 420 sims higher than them lol

I got screwed a lot of times so I saved for one save item

[lost horizon]

You're simming without loyal allies then

[hoary crown]

Best traits and talents to go for this week in m+ ? ^^

[rigid mango]

3ss + 1eb + 1 more eb, bbi, ttk

[nimble tinsel]

@worn crag https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d7n2GvkPfWNx8jEV4yWWXd

With full loyal allies, although even just 1 would put you above your low ilvl Gorak's.

[civic palm]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[rancid bobcat]

hmm

new season 4 affix can possibly work like a group shroud

[chrome forum]

you play leeching for M Zaqul

[tropic ocean]

if u go delirium to kill adds

y

[chrome forum]

how about just delirium to blast the boss?

thanks man

[tropic ocean]

well with leeching poison you can stand down longer yeah

but in non add delirium usually dont have trouble standing down long enough

[languid shoal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
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[crystal comet]

when do you use your CDs on Ashvane Mythic progress?

[tropic ocean]

on progress most likely when shield is down

or on 3rd shield if its close depending on strat

[worn crag]

@nimble tinsel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/414UQV35iF9r9Aos3hJesP I got blackwater chest in 435 but it sims lower than my other one. I know the trait of the other one is a bait, so I should go for the blackwater one right?

What happens if I wear two loyal traits?

[scarlet sequoia]

you die

[drifting cloud]

[nimble tinsel]

@worn crag https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qhD22fAwoeUPQmAXTKD5cY Putting UT at 50% effectiveness (which is still probably being generous depending on the fight) makes it a clear loser, so yes you would go Blackwater. Loyal stacks with no diminishing returns afaik.

[hazy geyser]

So whats up with the FoK changes for 8.3? Is that considered a nerf or buff

The wording is weird. Like do you get 1 combo point per target hit or just 1 in total

[tropic ocean]

Its an optical change dude

[rustic epoch]

Macros
"There aren’t really any significant macros for Assassination."

Welp. I checked the pinned messages and guides, that's what I found.

I'm looking for an SAP vs Stealth macro

[tropic ocean]

A what?

[chrome forum]

currently progressing M Za'Qul, we send 2 rogues + a warlock in first, then 2 fire mages, they fuck both of us so hard in the ass. do we just man up or is there a better solution

[rigid mango]

You don't generally stick fire mages + melee

It's super bad

You only need two rogues and a warlock really

To do both echos

You can stick whatever class in there too that can just smack it about a bit, but one demo lock + 2 sin rogues can do the echo comfortably from my experience

[thorny jasper]

hey i havent had time to look into it bc im at work

is the fok change on ptr 1 per target or 1 cp static?

[rigid mango]

It's just a bugfix for the tooltip

Nothing actually changes

[rancid bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/440934931301007390/630872121291177984/unknown.png

Big nerf guys

[modest tendon]

So how big is this?

[rigid mango]

Game changing

Sin is doomed

[rancid bobcat]

Now I won't generate (9421)*20% anymore

[rigid mango]

MIght aswell go sub now

Spec is ruined

[modest tendon]

I’m ok with going sub

[rancid bobcat]

It's a tool tip fix

[modest tendon]

Ahhh

[rancid bobcat]

[hazy geyser]

man i still dont get why they dont buff sub its clearly a useless spec

also poor spriests are getting nerfed every patch xD

[rigid mango]

Not the channel for this convo

Yeah must suck to get nerfed and still be the best spec

[hazy geyser]

spriest is too balanced

man queen's court is a really annoying fight for assass i know that i should be dotting both bosses but when sprint and shadowstep are on cooldown it seems a big dps loss to just walk there

[rigid mango]

well, you shouldn't be moving if they aren't up

[thorny jasper]

ty zine

[rigid mango]

You literally play around using shadowstep

[hazy geyser]

i killed it 3 times all using different cd timings and dotting patterns but i still cant break that 45k dps by the end of the fight

[thorny jasper]

crippling poison procs the energy regen from bleeds right

[hazy geyser]

yeah you need poison on bleeds to get energy back

[rigid mango]

Aslong as they have a bleed, yeah

[balmy stump]

Can someone explain the nerf

[rigid mango]

There isn't one

[balmy stump]

To fan of knives

[thorny jasper]

i got the idea stuck in my head that only deadly poison did it

[rigid mango]

There's a tooltip fix

that's all

[hazy geyser]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/LvV6yXKqATpYcQdn#fight=2&type=damage-done

[rigid mango]

It's got literally 0 impact on gameplay

[hazy geyser]

a help would be nice

[balmy stump]

Ok cool

ty

[tropic ocean]

@hazy geyser befriend your priests and tell them to grip you when ss is on cd

[hazy geyser]

hm... that sounds like a cheesy way but that might just work

[tropic ocean]

your dps is more than fine for the boss

[hazy geyser]

but it doesnt sound too practical though

[tropic ocean]

use shadowstep to dot other target

but make sure to refresh dots on current target before stepping

[hazy geyser]

yeah but i want to get those 90 parses this boss and orgazoa are the only non 90 for me

[thorny jasper]

that kill time is pretty unfortunate for you

[hazy geyser]

yeah its kinda slow

[twilit seal]

What is the prio list for aoe in m+? Like spread 3-4 garrote then stick to one prio target? or spam fok? (no EB traits)

and do I vanish and reapply garrote? or wasted cd?

[hazy geyser]

if you dont have echoing blades you might as well go outlaw

the BiS i think is 3x SS 3x EB for M+

[tropic ocean]

in m+ you do 3 garrote and 2 ruptures

[hazy geyser]

or atleast 3xEB and a single SS

[tropic ocean]

then you keep 4-5 bleed depending on your haste and build with fok spend mit envenom

and no, with new affix you barely use 3 eb, maybe in fortified teeming

but the pulls arent big enough anymore and no reaping

[twilit seal]

ok and garrote on cd I guess

thx so far

[arctic walrus]

@rigid mango What's up with this fok change? Big nerfs???

[rigid mango]

Yeah man yuge

[arctic walrus]

wow sad

[rigid mango]

You'll get kicked from club now

Spec unplayable

[solid nova]

Knock it off

This is not tuning of any kind. It's simply a tooltip fix.

[tropic ocean]

@twilit seal u basically only use garrote from stealth and on boss u keep it up

in trash u dont regarrote unless you use vanish to do so

you use ruptures to sustain energy

@hazy geyser

[hazy geyser]

?

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/pg68e2

r1 qc log strats

[hazy geyser]

hm... ok i am doing the same thing

i guess i need to stay on silivaz to not delay vendetta

[rancid bobcat]

damn my trolling was too good

[chilly marsh]

Vision of Perfection
Proc rate increased by 12%.

[solid nova]

@rancid bobcat Not the place.

[chilly marsh]

might be worth now

even with Desync of skills

[rancid bobcat]

my bad

[vestal wren]

12% increase is like 2% increase to proc chance probably

so does not sound to big

[rigid mango]

the major isn't the issue

[chilly marsh]

ah 12% of the base value =/

[rigid mango]

it's thte minor

The minor doesn't do anything essentially

[vestal wren]

hard to say as iirc there are no spelldata on the proc chance so those are estimates

blizz is not always good in giving out detailed information

[chilly marsh]

minor gives you more vendeta uptime more dot dmg more energy gain

[twilit seal]

@tropic ocean thx !

[chilly marsh]

its just a matter of threshold to be OP

[rigid mango]

What, for m+ or raid?

[chilly marsh]

and scales with you gear and azerith ilvl

dont forget it

[rigid mango]

It'll neer be viable for raid

Unless the CD reduc is needed

[vestal wren]

it depends on the cdr

if its high enough it can become compatitive

[chilly marsh]

^

[rigid mango]

Has to be veeery high though

With the amount of burst that sin is now

Desyncing cds aint worth it

[vestal wren]

like if its an additive increase by 12% it could make it strong

[rigid mango]

Unless you gain a lot

[vestal wren]

assuming current proc rate is ~15% it would mean 27% what is quite a noticable change

if its however a mult its ~17% what means not rly noticable

[rigid mango]

Needs a really big boost for it to even be considered

and even then, it has to outvalue CLF

[thorny jasper]

vision minor has good utility if its needed

very good for adds on m zaq

[vestal wren]

i mean we got a new minor slot

[rigid mango]

If it's needed for specific shit, yeah

But it's not good in general

[chilly marsh]

NP scales with ilvl too

if you stack 3

[rigid mango]

outside of zaq it's literally a dps +-0

[thorny jasper]

ya its not very good by itself

[chilly marsh]

it deals a lot of dmg

[rigid mango]

If you still run CLF

You probably wont stack 3 NP

[thorny jasper]

i would probably expect to see conflict minor ran over it

[chilly marsh]

with vison you need yo think aboud this dmg too

[rigid mango]

Ofc.

But Even then, that means dropping an OP

Unless there's a DD NP OP chest in next raid

[chilly marsh]

if the scalling pass some threshold it can became bis

[rigid mango]

And guaranteeing there's a DD NP OP helm in next raid

And it has to get really big buffs

and it has to be so good that it's worth to get more mastery to make 3 np good

to make it good

and in turn, CLF gets worse from that