assassination

[dense parcel]

Are people now using the scent of blood trait for m+? Seen a couple of people using it

[rigid mango]

No

[shy axle]

read something about a certain haste% for m+ people here were discussing, 10% iirc. Was/is that a thing or just krit/mastery like in s2?

[strange python]

Out of the benthic pieces, i know there are severalo, but which ones should i prioritize in getting

first to last

[rigid mango]

@shy axle 11% + is 4 bleeds for inf energy, under is 5 bleeds

[shy axle]

good to know thanks

[dense parcel]

Is triple SS and triple EB worth using or shall I keep a TTK

For m+

[rigid mango]

3 eb isn't that good

[primal turret]

Hello, one question, if you got 4 combo points and you are still under the effect of both elaborate planning and the 30% envenenon chance is better to use another mutilate and envenenom with 5 CP or envenenom with 4CP?

[dense parcel]

What would you reccomend

[rigid mango]

Never muti at 4 cp

3 ss 1 eb + any mix of eb/ttk/bbi

But wouldn't go over 2 eb

[obtuse sequoia]

ss eb are azerite traits i guess?xd

[rigid mango]

Yep.

[dense parcel]

Alright thanks mate

[primal turret]

thank you zine

[rigid mango]

Shrouded suffocation, Echoing blades

[obtuse sequoia]

sorry new rogue 😄

[rigid mango]

[solemn meadow]

so do I take lucid or purification for delirium realm

zaqul

[rigid mango]

Lucid

vers + hp proc is nice downstairs

and energy upstairs

[upper canyon]

for orgozoa, if my raid leader just wants me to pump on the boss, should i just keep a rupture + poison up on one add to help with energy regen, and then just pretend its a single target fight?

[solemn meadow]

depends on your setup

my raidteam just destroys the adds

so its not worth

[sick eagle]

Should I use Font and Vendetta on intermsion add on Radiance or just keep them for boss?

[royal lantern]

if you cant kill the add without vendetta, you have some big problems in your raidgroup tbh

[sick eagle]

I mean I want to use it so I dont waste like 40 sec on it

when 1st interm. starts its on like 20 sec cd

[rigid mango]

Why?

OP is broken, ttk isn't bad, flat mastery isn't bad

🤷

Seeing as how ttk is really good and loyal is BiS 🤷

[cloud sandal]

can i get 2 440 rings from jc?

[royal lantern]

nope

can only EQ a ring 1x

[fleet whale]

you can only get 1 440 but some people use 1 440 and the 1 415 jc ring cause of two sockets

[vocal ginkgo]

what is the bis head this tier?

[rigid mango]

Zaq

[vocal ginkgo]

oh yeah i forgot that one, the 2nd best i mean xD

[rigid mango]

Loa

[vocal ginkgo]

ok thx!

does zaqul's hc top loa 450?

[rigid mango]

No

[granite rampart]

zaquls actually sims lower for me

than loa

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2kjM7u4LanAWVcywd6PbYy

[rigid mango]

You already have an NP

So yeah

[granite rampart]

ahh true i guess

[rigid mango]

NP stacking is way more touchy this tier

[vocal ginkgo]

my guild wont prob get to zaqul mythic so thats why i was asking, can only pray to get gorak's and loa now, dont have much else to upgrade

appreciated

[rigid mango]

Yeah, then your best is going to be loa

[thorn dew]

Is it worth to have 1 point of eb for orgonzoa to get more cb's?

[rigid mango]

Not really

[fading sparrow]

So I've already got Gorak Tul shoulders and Cephalohide chest at 430, can't decide what to gamble to 445 :/

[unreal burrow]

@fading sparrow check on Droptimizer on raidbot it will give you the expected value for all the azerite pieces

[fading sparrow]

OK cheers

[tropic ocean]

@fading sparrow it also depent how far u are in mythic

If u can down behemoth dont gamble chest

[cobalt pelican]

zaq will still be an upgrade if you use loyal on it instead of np

but loa is p good

[devout bolt]

yo u guys just follow what sims say? stat wise

[rigid mango]

I don't use stat weights

Use topgear.

[devout bolt]

just topgear and i'm fine?

[rigid mango]

Just rely on topgear, yeah

[devout bolt]

any BiS list?

because topgear just shows my current gear or from bags

but would like to know what would be best

[rigid mango]

And then you compare them

And you'll get your best simming combination, aka your top gear

[devout bolt]

okay

what about BiS list

any good one?

[rigid mango]

It's BFA, BiS lists aren't a thing

[lime echo]

Hello mans, someone have time and tell me why i have this sim on Lady Ashvane MM pls ? (In private message)

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[devout bolt]

okay so for azerite we wanna get gorak tuls mantle + 2 DD and some NP and TTK right?

[rigid mango]

You run zaq helm + goraks + blackwater/cepha as BiS

[devout bolt]

okay

blackwater with loyal?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[bleak spoke]

I wonder how a triple loyal setup would be

Like radiance shoulders zaq helm and blackwater chest

Probably pretty okay

Like 2 op unstable flames

[rigid mango]

It's not a bad setup

[bleak spoke]

2 dd ttk

[rigid mango]

The death part, does it stack with traits?

I wouldn't have thought so

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[rigid mango]

Really?

[bleak spoke]

It’s per piece

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

You get a buff for each loyal you have

Me and an hpal friend of mine were discussing healing galvazzt with a team of 5 people with triple loyal

Think theoretically he could pass the check on a 26

If he sacked someone at some point and brezed then

Cuz you’d get giga secondaries to push through one of the bad overlaps

[rigid mango]

Doesn't sound entirely bad

But does mean you're a wheelchair rest of run

[bleak spoke]

Shelved it cuz loyal too bad with outlaw

Maybe okay if you have some bleed sin rogues idk

But like the ss on blackwater conflicts with loyal

[rigid mango]

OUtlaw

[bleak spoke]

Not enough throughput for rest of dungeon with a real loyal setup

Maybe if you got a bm hunter they could do it

But they get gimped too cuz primal instincts actually gives way more mastery than loyal

At least that’s the conclusion we came to

That if you’re dipping into weird builds might as well play a non meta comp with offheals

And play like ret spriest rogue or something

[rigid mango]

That's a hard pass from me dawg

I really need a helm with SS, and then I'll blast.

[shy dust]

I think the pvp helm you can get from H warfront has SS TTK

[rigid mango]

I've got a crappy one

I want a 450 one tho

[tropic ocean]

one of vendor helms has ss ttk too

Irontide i think?

[rigid mango]

Meh, fuck ttk I don't need it

already got it on rest of pieces

[tropic ocean]

or the other one i never know which is which

[rigid mango]

Fluid machinations is ss eb

[tropic ocean]

ye

Irontide then

[rigid mango]

Irontide is ss ttk

I'd take either, but I got flashpowder

[tropic ocean]

im still rocking 420

Got 4th pistoleers this week

[rigid mango]

Rolled should and helm

flashpowder and tent laced

epitome of mediocre

[dark crag]

Got tidal shoulders, now i need something good to replace mechagon helmet

[tropic ocean]

got tent lace too

Maybe i should roll helm for m+

Instead of shoulders for raid

Gorak wont be a big up and cant get em before ce anyway

[rigid mango]

2nd tent laced

I need goraks and zaq helm, irontide for m+

[tropic ocean]

or just play arena to 2.1k and get helm from there

[fleet whale]

are people trying BBI for M+ now? seems like it should be strong there

[rigid mango]

BBI has always been decent

It's just even better possibly if you wanna run the crit drop - mastery stack build

[tropic ocean]

@fleet whale it is good and was good lastseason too

[fleet whale]

and are people straying away from 2/2/2?

[dense parcel]

what does bbi stand for

[rigid mango]

I think 3 ss is a good base

[tropic ocean]

Just last season was pad party so it wasnt used outside kr or tos maybe

[fleet whale]

i always thought so it's just that many people weren't using it for M+

[rigid mango]

blightborne infusion @dense parcel

[dense parcel]

cheers

[rigid mango]

TTK and EB have flaws this season

SS doesn't

[fleet whale]

and i can get 3 ss easily, i think i just need to reforge one of my pieces

[rigid mango]

SS has regular SS flaws, but no real seasonal issues, only strenghts really

[dense parcel]

would you reccomend two ttk over two EB?

[tropic ocean]

i think a good setup atm is loa helm

Gorak tul

[devout bolt]

whats ss

[tropic ocean]

And raiment chest

[rigid mango]

Shrouded suffocation

[fleet whale]

tab targeting can be a flaw for SS... when it targets something that already has garrote on it

[rigid mango]

I think fluid machinations + goraks + blackwater

might be BiS

3 ss 1 ttk eb bbi

should slap real good

[tropic ocean]

I can see the swirling sands be superior to bbi

It has good uptime too

[short pivot]

Ss that good? Damn im runnin only 1

Always 😝

[rigid mango]

Issue is there's no SS on that helm

[tropic ocean]

Oooh

[rigid mango]

only ttk

[fleet whale]

garrote always is my top damage source even with 2 SS, so i might as well just go with three

[rigid mango]

I have it

[tropic ocean]

Then forget what i said

[dense parcel]

3 is basically base line what i use all the time in m+

[devout bolt]

and what the fk is eb

[dense parcel]

]then change about the other 3

[tropic ocean]

im using pistoleer irontide and blackwater atm

Mostly doing 45-55k depending on group and dungeon so

[shy dust]

Eb is echoing blades

[devout bolt]

ah we talk aoe

[tropic ocean]

Eb not as valuable

[rigid mango]

We just don't pull enough to make eb worth it

[tropic ocean]

i guess this week 2 eb is needed

[fleet whale]

flames vs OP for M+

what do i chose

[tropic ocean]

But 3 im not sure

[rigid mango]

and bigger pulls make TTK better

and we don't do that either

[tropic ocean]

op for sure

[rigid mango]

We're at 3-5t prime time at this point

SS territory

[tropic ocean]

u should have big crit low haste

Op is there to carry bosses

[rigid mango]

I'm swapping crit for mastery

[tropic ocean]

and also is not bad on aoe too

[rigid mango]

1 eb Ima live the mastery dream

1 day I'll hit 60% mastery

[tropic ocean]

idk should have some bigger pulls this week with fort teeming

I guess i do 2eb

[fleet whale]

so i can either go 3 SS, 2 EB, and 1 TTK

[rigid mango]

This week, that sounds godo

[fleet whale]

or 3 SS, 1 eb, 1 BBI, and 1 TTK

[rigid mango]

I'd go 2 eb this week

the latter any other

[tropic ocean]

3ss 1eb bbi ttk is good kr tos setup

Rest id take 3ss 2eb

[rigid mango]

nah I think it might be BiS for most dungeons tbh

I don't think the 2nd eb is worth that much

You don't pull big enough in general to warrant going 2 or even 3

[tropic ocean]

I talk about current week

[short pivot]

Idk man all dungeons im in recently have huge pulls +chaining

Which totally fucks ss

[tropic ocean]

Last week i was running only 1 eb as well

@short pivot

what huge pulls

[rigid mango]

In what dungeons do you do that

Chainpulls and big pulls

[tropic ocean]

The biggest i had so far was 8 mobs

[rigid mango]

is this s2?

[short pivot]

Tos

[rigid mango]

???

[short pivot]

Sosts

[meager nebula]

i like this spec

[tropic ocean]

how can u big pull in tos

[short pivot]

Ur

[rigid mango]

big pulls in ToS?

[short pivot]

UR

[tropic ocean]

ur u cant big pull either

[rigid mango]

Like, you're missplayinig

[tropic ocean]

Maybe in lower keys

[rigid mango]

this doesn't sound optimal lol

[tropic ocean]

u dont have the control to pull 2 or 3 pack in ur

[short pivot]

What keys u guys talking ?

[rigid mango]

20+

[short pivot]

Im at 18 19 margin atm

[tropic ocean]

Personally i do 18-19 atm

[rigid mango]

19-20

[tropic ocean]

Not sure how u big pull in ur with teeming

[rigid mango]

If you're chainpulling

[tropic ocean]

And fort

[short pivot]

Shrine 19 its hard to get restealths

[rigid mango]

You're missplaying with a sin

It's really not

lol

[short pivot]

Im not tank is

[rigid mango]

Where the fuck do u chainpull

[short pivot]

Chaining

[rigid mango]

and why

You have a sin rogue

calm your tits

Not that it's hugely benificial to chainpull either

[tropic ocean]

just use vanish more often

[short pivot]

What im saying is EB gains value with chaining and not discussing how tanks should run the key

[fleet whale]

or meld if nelf

[tropic ocean]

And tell tank to not chain like a idiot

[rigid mango]

I'm saying

[short pivot]

And i do use vanish 😁

[rigid mango]

You're a sing rogue

[tropic ocean]

eb doesnt gain value with chaining

[rigid mango]

You can't base your entire setup around tanks being

[tropic ocean]

Eb gains value with pull size

[rigid mango]

EB just doesn't lose anything

[short pivot]

In UR boss 2 room

[rigid mango]

It's stil suboptimal

Yes

[short pivot]

Do u get restealth??

[rigid mango]

You don't chainpull

Yes

[tropic ocean]

Yes

[rigid mango]

lol

???

[fleet whale]

yes

[rigid mango]

You pull 5 ish mobs

Kill, restealth and healer drinks

[short pivot]

I havent gotten one in ages without vanish

[rigid mango]

repeat

Dude your tanks are trolling or ur trolling atm

[tropic ocean]

its not so beneficial to chain there anywa as the garrotes iron wire carry the packs anyway

[rigid mango]

It's not like you gain like, anything from chainpulling

[short pivot]

I dont for sure man

[tropic ocean]

theres so much cc to do in these ur packs

[rigid mango]

If you pull correctly you don't need chainpulling

[short pivot]

Im not pro chain pulling

[rigid mango]

I mean

[tropic ocean]

chain pulling can be beneficial sometimes when your bleeds are up

[rigid mango]

You're running with the same tank

[tropic ocean]

But most of the time its just bad

[rigid mango]

Over and over again

[short pivot]

Im just saying that maintaning dps when that happens eb looks good

[tropic ocean]

At least for me

[rigid mango]

And he keeps on doing same mistakes?

I mean

You could just play optimally and do more damage?

🤷

[short pivot]

No mistakes we timing on the contrary

[tropic ocean]

if ur tank keeps chaining might as well play outlaw

[rigid mango]

^

mistakes /=/ not timinig

You can play meh and still time 18-19's

Aslong as you don't die

doesn't mean you can't imptove

and play optimally

[tropic ocean]

with no restealth u basically negate all sin strenghts

Iron wire, ss etc

[short pivot]

U just negate iron and ss

[rigid mango]

You run with the same tank over and over again, and he litereally devalues your class so much

spec*

[short pivot]

So ttk eb gain value

[tropic ocean]

which are sins most powerful tools

[rigid mango]

No.

they don't gain value

[short pivot]

Thats what im observing

[solemn pollen]

Just negate ss

[shy dust]

Which is an 8 second silence and 15% DR and your strongest ability

[rigid mango]

they just don't lose value

[tropic ocean]

They dont gain value

[rigid mango]

You're still losing value from doing it

[tropic ocean]

They just dont lose value from not stealthing

[rigid mango]

You shouldn't be chainpulling

as sin, you restealth

[short pivot]

So 3ttk 2eb 1 ss is trash?

[tropic ocean]

no

[rigid mango]

1 ss is quite low atm, I'd say

[tropic ocean]

but theres no point bringing sin if you cant stealth

[rigid mango]

but you've still got a combination of the best traits

[short pivot]

I dont play outlul tho

[rigid mango]

Then restealth.

[tropic ocean]

you lose iron wire which is giga

[rigid mango]

Ironwire is huge, SS is huge

[short pivot]

I do when i can believe me

[tropic ocean]

U lose ss which is giga

so just play outlaw

[rigid mango]

You literally play without a 2nd tier talent

why not

[tropic ocean]

And be better at everything in this situation

[short pivot]

So with sin the tank should never chain anything?

[rigid mango]

Yep.

[tropic ocean]

Not never but

Not constantly

[rigid mango]

He can chain if u have vanish

But even then, it's not a huge gain

[short pivot]

Yeah fair

[rigid mango]

and you getting a restealth to open again

to use vanish for more dps and utlility

[tropic ocean]

It takes sub 1 sec dropped combat to restealth so u can still pull at fast pace

[rigid mango]

is better

than making up his mistakes

every time

[tropic ocean]

Your healer will appreciate dropping combat as well

[short pivot]

Emii tp makes it take double time im finding that to be a problem

[tropic ocean]

U can stun the one

To make it port asap

[rigid mango]

Just accept using a kidney

or play with an outlaw

[short pivot]

Talking abt void

[rigid mango]

🤷

[short pivot]

Lol

[rigid mango]

I mean, normally they're in packs

and die first

Shouldn't be an issue?

[tropic ocean]

mostly yeah

[rigid mango]

And when they aren't

You lose what, 3 sec?

Won't be the end all of the key 99% of the time.

[tropic ocean]

constant chainpulling is bad for many classes not only sin

For heal as well

[short pivot]

Im not trying to argue here just stating this exp observations concerning restealths and traits

[tropic ocean]

so just talk to your tank

that you are sin

[short pivot]

Yeha will do

[tropic ocean]

Hes making it harder for himself as well

[short pivot]

Will explain that stuff to him

[tropic ocean]

By killing iron wire

[short pivot]

Iton wire is big on those UR adds its true

[tropic ocean]

Especially in shrine iron wire is big

[short pivot]

And i do lose it most of the time

[tropic ocean]

Like i take care if casters

For 16seconds solo

without needing 2 kick

[short pivot]

Nelf?

[hidden bay]

[tropic ocean]

No

Vanish

[short pivot]

Yeah

[tropic ocean]

U can silence them forever and they deal 15% less dmg

[short pivot]

Iron is big

[tropic ocean]

Same for the healer adds

[short pivot]

I just happen to roll ttk eb all the fuckin time and i thought it was Bis

To have 3 ttk got surprised that ss is better now was literally clueless

[tropic ocean]

From solely dps pov ss was always better than ttk

last season ttk eb began to become popular due to big pull sizes and reaping where u blast with fok to always get 4 or 5 cp per gcd and pump env into prio

[short pivot]

Always thought its more of an st go to trait tbh

[tropic ocean]

Now u dont pull as big to have that

[short pivot]

Yeah true

[tropic ocean]

Ss has more st than ttk especially in that fight durations in m+

[short pivot]

Fuck need to farm baseline 3 SS now 😓

Yeah ss is good for st, but i thought on fort eb + ttk combo shine

Since ss drops while u still on adds

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

Just it does giga dmg while it lasts

[devout bolt]

whats the best azerite combination without loyal?

[rigid mango]

Replace blackwater with cephalohide

[devout bolt]

so we have 3 dd, 1 bbi, 1 ttk, 1 np?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[devout bolt]

okay nice

in general dd is very important to have?

min. 2-3?

and why do you know its best combo?

[rigid mango]

DD is pretty much the best ST trait

and through simming

[devout bolt]

so for patchwerk 5 min this would be the best combination (without loyal) when i have all other azerite gear?

[rigid mango]

Yes.

[devout bolt]

okay

what about the rest, i see a lot of rogues go a little mastery, 22% haste , etc.

even some versa

it just depends on the sim then?

or do we need certain breakpoints?

[rigid mango]

None, you just sim

[devout bolt]

okay

#1 log for sivara has 2 loyal

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean it's the best

pls

just sim yourself

[devout bolt]

no just asking if i can line it up with my team, should always use loyal right

when maybe 2-3 also have it

[rigid mango]

You want 4 to have it

Other than yourself

[devout bolt]

kk

do you sim just regular patchwerk 5 min?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[devout bolt]

i don't get why raidbots tells me to go loyal when i chose 0 loyal allies... this can't be right lol

[cobalt pelican]

you'd have to link it

you probably did something like picking ss with only ma selected as the only alternative

[devout bolt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nrzbeAx4XnqL9cT7oz3mR8

there u go

[worthy relic]

Hi guys do we stack Shrouded Suffocation for m+?

[rigid mango]

yes

[cobalt pelican]

sorry @devout bolt i was busy whacking things but yeah

your other options are just not good

i imagine if you selected ss on blackwater+subterfuge it'd win out, probably

but your alternatives are a 430 piece with undulating @ 0%, and np ttk gutripper which is very close but basically beaten by overwhelming power alone

[bleak spoke]

You do actually gain value from chainpulling with single shrouded builds

Cuz you have ruptures rolling

When I play the 3tk 2eb pulls I’d tell my tanks to chain as they want but only to give me stealth for defensive purposes

Seli remarked at the end of last season in a way chainpulling hurt outlaw almost more than sin cuz you never got downtime to reset flurry stacks which was probably a bit of an exaggeration but

You can actually build for low restealths

[reef frigate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[bleak spoke]

does anyone have tips for coral usage on azshara btw

do i coral second hulk or soething

also why do most ppl use blood major over cdl

[arctic walrus]

More uses but mostly on adds. I coraled on inkpod proc, but you can coral during 2nd hulk, and for each tidemistress if you are running font

I've also seen some people coral azshara then keep it until the end

[winter gale]

should I switch from Force/Quick to Quick/Deadly enchant if sims says its 0.2% better?

Or shall I stick with one Force

?*

[sour wasp]

do what the sims says

quick deadly is not that rare

[winter gale]

Ty m8

Guide says one Force so I was a bit confused .D

[sour wasp]

enchants are not rigid, guide is just a guideline

[viscid token]

is it worth rupturing a bubble on ashvane for the energy back when it dies?

[sour wasp]

yes

[viscid token]

k ty

[bleak spoke]

@arctic walrus I should be vendetta for second add right assuming we get there tonight haha

[tropic ocean]

I use coral for hulk 2

Then for add 1

bote is good as you have it up for all dps checks

And it does decent dmg to the add wave as well

[frozen karma]

so for Za'qul do I want to save vendetta for when he takes extra dmg or just on cd after the first time he does it?

[chilly marsh]

anyone here already prog Queen's Court mythic ?

[steep obsidian]

yes?

[chilly marsh]

you're using Ashvane trinket ?

dont know if its worth it this fight

cant stack that much changing targets

[steep obsidian]

coral? yeah i did

huh?

[chilly marsh]

yes

[steep obsidian]

we burned one to 30% asap for the spriests and then focused the other one

only times you swap reall is during the eruption and just to dot up the other mob

coral is still good

thats how we did it anywya

[arctic walrus]

If you do happen to swap it happens around 2 minute intervals, so just make sure the target you switched to has coral

[steep obsidian]

we had a lot of melee so i generally stood on the other mob during stand alone to the rest of the melee too just to make it less shit for positioniong

[chilly marsh]

hum i was swaping every 20+- with ss

[steep obsidian]

i didn't run ss

[chilly marsh]

Shadowstep

[steep obsidian]

you should be top melee though on that fight or close to it sin is good every single ranged is better though

oh well i just swapped to dot and then went back

to main mob

[chilly marsh]

could nearly mantain 95% uptime of dots on both bossses

[steep obsidian]

what else would yhou run instead of coral? it insane even if you aren't on one boss 100% of the time

[arctic walrus]

Okay, you shadowstep but then walk back to your main target

[steep obsidian]

or sprint

you dont lose that much tbh

the only time its a bit dicey is during deferred + spark explosions you can kill yourself if you move too much

especially if your raid cd you are using for it is link and you arent in it

[chilly marsh]

i have a 445 inkpod and Dead-Eye Spyglass 450

was thinking of giving it a try too

[arctic walrus]

no those probably would not beat out ac oral

[chilly marsh]

yea prob not

ty advcies guys

[fading stag]

On H Orgozoa is it good to save my cooldowns for when down the ramp? after they come back up

[steep obsidian]

there are quite a few high logs using inkpod + coral scarf

[chilly marsh]

youre phasing with 2m of fight essenze

?

[fading stag]

what do you mean?

[chilly marsh]

for how long you would need to wait thecds

if your cd i coming back and boss is 45%

you should hold for sure

[fading stag]

yeah the wait is usually only like 10-15 seconds

[chilly marsh]

better hold

you would only waste the cd

[fading stag]

thanks just wanted to make sure

[steep obsidian]

that really depends though

like for max dps holding is fine if you aren't losing a useage

but if you are progging and you using your cooldowns to push a little bit faster skips a whole fluid cast your raid might need you to do that

p2 is a fair bit easier then p1

[fading stag]

no we get Orgozoa down without any trouble, so just hold cds still?

[steep obsidian]

do whatever gives you max deeps if its not a problem then lol

i only played sin this week for the first time on it so im most deffo not an expert min maxing for it, didn't even build for aoe

[fading stag]

alright lol, thanks

[grand plank]

What do you guys think is better, Font and Coral or Coral and Inkpod? I simmed them but I'm not to sure on the reliability of it since Font and Coral are both use trinkets.

[rigid mango]

Font coral

If you don't know how to use them, there's a paragraph in #tc-updates about it

[grand plank]

I see, thanks a lot I didn't know about that update. It says 4s before pull that would really push a prepot though. Since you can never know exactly when the boss is getting pulled. Is it a big deal to do it like a 6 seconds before pull?

[arctic walrus]

it is not

[rigid mango]

I normally use it when 6 becomes 5 on pull timer, unless horrid prepull, works every time

[fading stag]

It's okay to use tb when you have 5 cp right? I don't do it all the time, but for one fight I did it 4 times

[rigid mango]

Yes

Use it on cd regardless of cp and energy

[fading stag]

Thanks, also for progfressing H Za'qul what should I be doing exactly? I usually focusing the adds now and forgetting to keep dots on the boss

[winter moss]

depends on size of the group and what classes you have

if you have 5 dh's you should pump into the boss

[wide hedge]

What adds do you mean on heroic - i Just Tunnel the Boss 🤣

[winter moss]

summoner are still there on heroic

and if you progress heroic i kinda guess that there is lower dmg than in mythic groups so the adds require attention

[fading stag]

I mean the adds that move, forget the name, and we only have 1 dh

[winter moss]

well not only dh's cleave. firemages, windwalkers, list goes on

as sin cleaving is not recommended unless the add lives long enough

[fading stag]

I can give a log if that helps more, after a while we tried 3 tanks on it

I think it's just a dps thing that we don't have him down fast enough

[winter moss]

boss dmg > add dmg

the adds dont need to explode

[fading stag]

alright

[lament dove]

you can try EB+TTK build EB adds and TTk boss and do an orange log like me on our first heroic kill trolol

[rigid mango]

Or play to kill the boss instead :^)

[wide hedge]

You can easily get orange logs by tunneling zaqul

Without going into Delirium

[winter gale]

Are tentacle-laced spaulders among best shoulder pieces?

For ST

[wide hedge]

Its Just not worth cleaving as assa

[winter gale]

If anyone knows

[wide hedge]

What are the traits?

[winter gale]

DD NP wich are great. And Swirling Sands is what sims best for me in last one.

[wide hedge]

And what about 3rd ring?

[winter gale]

Swirling Sand

So Double Dose / Nothing Personal / Swirling Sands

[wide hedge]

Swirling Sand should be in the Second ring

[winter gale]

Elemental Whirl*

[buoyant monolith]

There are no Swirling Sand on those shoudlers

[winter gale]

Fuck me

[buoyant monolith]

Not on mine atleast

[wide hedge]

Ah Well Not bis shoulders , but pretty good.

[winter gale]

I got em last night so I was curious.

Should I keep em and roll for better head or better shoulders now. I have engi head and cepalohide chest.

Simming 48 585 atm

[fallow otter]

Does cephalohide ever beat fish boss chest guys? I expected to gain a tiny amount

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c7TPyLNSs7xndFktaiLW1i

Just patchwerk

Im guessing it wins when benthic isn't a thing because of the crit boots? But I have no evidence of this yet just doing a few sims on phone

[winter moss]

even on the phone its possible to sim gear compare and type in ceph chest

but there is noway to give a general answer that applies to every single sin rogue out there without breaking the rules of space and time and the knowledge of 3 sunken gods

[fallow otter]

Yeh I've done that, hence sim I'll do the non benthic version later for interest even though it doesn't mean anything to me

[winter moss]

but imo ceph chest best chest

[fallow otter]

You would swap it in even if sim is lower like mine?

[steady owl]

Is there a way to find out how many people use loyal to the end?

Other than inspecting everyone or asking? Weak aura?

[wide hedge]

@winter gale well you can only get 1 helmet thats better than ingi helmet with residuum, cepha is the best one for residuum (behemoth chest can be a bit better, but sim it to be sure)

and for shoulders you want gorak tul

so in the end you have 1 chance on each slot to get an upgrade with behemoth beeing raid chest

[steady owl]

I thought spymasters wrap was bis with dd, np and using ma. What traits do you use with Blackwater and cephalohide?

[winter moss]

@fallow otter i wouldnt say it sims much lower. the diffrence is 0.1% target error is 0.05%

which makes the diffrence 0.05%

[rigid mango]

I mean, blackwater is also better thanks to the potential gain from 1 person dyinh

Anyone dies? Blackwater skyrocket

[winter moss]

true

[shadow talon]

does anyone has weakaura that show garrot icon when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less ?

[winter moss]

mine starts to glow

dunno if that helps

[shadow talon]

i've got it work now thanks anyway

[wide hedge]

@steady owl I use DD+TTK on my cephalohide, TTK+Loyal on blackwater

and OP on both as well

[steady owl]

And that Simms higher for you than dd and np on spymasters wrap? I used a 335 spymaster until I got 445 Blackwater yesterday I also got a 335 cephalohide but I use that for m+ it didn’t occur to me to use it in raids for some reason

[wide hedge]

as far as I remember my last sims, yep - they were better than spymasters

haven't simmed for a longer time now since I didn't get any upgrades in the last 3-4 weeks 😂

[drifting flame]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cloud sandal]

what was the benthic order again

what should i go for first?

boots

and then?

[rigid mango]

Feet, wrist, hand, waist

Dps wise

But waist is by far easiest to get, feet are the best

[cloud sandal]

till what ilvl do i upgrade feet before going to wrist

i have both feet and hands with socket rn

[rigid mango]

415-20?

You should farm pearls on alts

[tropic ocean]

from dps perspective basically 400

[rigid mango]

And funnel to main to use ur pearls on there to upgradd

[tropic ocean]

Up all others and then feet

[cloud sandal]

is that possible?

how do u funnel?

[rigid mango]

Tokens are bind on account

[modest tendon]

You can buy tokens and send them to other alts

[rigid mango]

Buy on alts > send to main

[cloud sandal]

ohh damn ok

nice

[rigid mango]

Keep all pearls on main to upgrade the right items

[cloud sandal]

ori's tidal i need right?

for hands

[rigid mango]

Wrists

Ye

[cloud sandal]

wrist i mean lol yeah

[modest tendon]

Frost or physical for wrists though

[rigid mango]

Akana's feet, Ori/pufferfish wrists, poen's hands and vim's waist

No, not physical

Puffer or frost.

[modest tendon]

Puffer

My bad 😛

[scarlet sequoia]

puffer

just go for frost mate

[rigid mango]

Puffer

[distant lava]

just get both

[cloud sandal]

im 3rd week no razor coral / azshara trinket

😦

i have 445 inkpod / 440 socket tiny electro though

[compact rock]

Don’t worry I’m on my 4th week!

[shadow talon]

can anyone link benthic gears for sin rogues that are better than heroic 430 gears ?

[modest tendon]

They all are?

Dps wise

[vast forum]

all benthic is bis except gloves

[shadow talon]

as quoted on a reddit post "Crit damage boots, aberration damage belt, frost damage wrists". i could replace higher ilevel item with these benthic right

[scarlet sequoia]

its quite simple 🙂

frost dmg bracers, crit boots, aoe dmg belt are the ones u want

gloves as well unless u have 440+ socket azshara ones

[shadow talon]

thx, i guess these benthic gears only work well in EP raid, not m+ btw

[scarlet sequoia]

youre a smart guy

[modest tendon]

Still 420 socket for m+ so not terrible but it’s not hard to find better

[rancid granite]

SemiPugging EP hc last night and seeing an alt getting a titanforged, socketed ring while ive been running it 10+ times without any drops is rng!! Aaarrggghh - is personal loot affected by ilvl? Getting zero loots here for the third week while others get 3-4+ a run...

[solid nova]

No

Rng is rng

#wow-general is over there for loot complaints

[rancid granite]

Sorry, ment to post it in #wow-general

[cloud sandal]

lol i have 1% vers

just noticed

[rigid mango]

Huh?

[cloud sandal]

in my gear i only have 1% vers

[rigid mango]

And?

[cloud sandal]

seems kinda low

[rigid mango]

Not really

Vers is good but not like you need it

[cloud sandal]

34% crit 22% haste 32% mastery

[rigid mango]

We have no breakpoints, no needs

[cloud sandal]

just sim

[rigid mango]

Only what sims say

[cloud sandal]

yes

[ember rover]

Benthic does increase value of versa quite heftly.

[steady owl]

What about for m+, can I get to much crit ? I have 43% atm

[strange python]

Can someone clarify toxic blade windows to me? I heard plenty people here say that if you need to reapply bleeds during tb it's because of bad preplanning, but for instance, if I get unlucky and get 3cp rupture in the opener, then refresh it in pandemic with 4 cp, I have to refresh it during tb, lots of conflicting information - some people say that the bleeds should be reapplied outside of pandemic or that its fine to do it in tb because the apl reapplies dots in tb. Anyone?

[modest tendon]

In the perfect world just before Tb comes of cd you would have 4 combo points, pooled 90% energy and your dots will have enough duration so that you can concentrate on envenoms and mutiliates within the duration of tb

[ember rover]

It's not entirely bad to re-apply bleeds into TB window.

As long as you get 2x envenom, it's not TOO bad.

[strange python]

not talking about perfect world

[modest tendon]

I think as long as you do at least 2 envenoms within the window it’s not wasted

[ember rover]

Exactly that.

[modest tendon]

I reapply dots within the window sometimes

[strange python]

for instance, I have 11s on rupture, 9s on garrote, tb 1s from coming off cd, what would you do in that situation?

[modest tendon]

Especially when I know I will be Able to get 2 envenoms in

[ember rover]

If at full energy, I TB into envenom into re-applying dots into another envenom.

[modest tendon]

But if your struggling with it you should just pool a lot more often

[strange python]

yeah, full ish

[ember rover]

Most important thing is to pool energy.

Always be close to energy cap before TB

That can't be stressed enough.

[golden plume]

hello

I was wondering if it was possible to hit gcd cap without having 3 essences

[scarlet sequoia]

gcd cap?

[golden plume]

yup no starving

someone talked about it recently it intrigued me

[scarlet sequoia]

that isnt possible at all

unless u can rupture like 4+ targets

[golden plume]

oh all good then

but how's energy going with 3 essences vs 2 if u have like BoE major/lucid dream minor 1/iris minor 2 ?

[scarlet sequoia]

basically the same as with 2 essences

[wide hedge]

well since the 3rd essence is strife most of the time (for me) it doesn't make a difference

[scarlet sequoia]

haste from iris minor isnt gonna make a massive difference in energy regen

[wide hedge]

true

and I personally don't see a point using iris minor

[scarlet sequoia]

?

its the best for most people

unless youre struggling with taking a lot of dmg i guess

[rigid mango]

Yeah, fuck haste amirite

[golden plume]

cuz i hate pvp

so I dont want to get strife

but i dont want to be super bad too

[scarlet sequoia]

you absolutely do not need strife

[rigid mango]

Iris is generally concieved as BiS for st

In that slot

[golden plume]

oh all good then except for M+

[scarlet sequoia]

its not like getting 1k rating is super challenging

[rigid mango]

Just get raz to boost you like I did

[cloud sandal]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[steady owl]

Do I need more than 43% crit for m+? 🙂

[rigid mango]

Nope

With how valuable mastery is atm I might even drop some

[steady owl]

Ok thanks

[viscid lichen]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/CKwQdZNhWyTA7v83/9-5+Abyssal+Commander+Sivara/Unodostres

anyone can tell me what I can improve here?

[rigid mango]

Don't use wowanalyzer

It's not supported for sin

[viscid lichen]

what else is there?

besides that and this disc?

[rigid mango]

Asking here

Just saying

Wowanalyzer gives incorrect answers

[steady owl]

This is the best place you’ll ever get. I am so grateful for the help I get here

[rigid mango]

I'll take a peak later when I get off work as raidbots on phone sucks major ass

[viscid lichen]

<3

[tropic ocean]

@golden plume for m+ you can use c&s or protocol or even crucible

i've been running with iris - lucid - crucible for ages before I had c&s(and i still dont have it r3) it won't hinder you to time your keys

[wide hedge]

well Iris minor sims lower than strife minor for me. Thats why I don't feel like using iris at all.

[cloud sandal]

What are optimal assa m+ azerite traits

[modest tendon]

Ss and eb as core then go ttk,bbi,swirling as needed

[rigid mango]

3 ss 1 eb and then add on ttk/bbi/one eb

That's optimal

[robust river]

@rigid mango - WHen you say you might drop some crit for mastery, how would you decide that? Is it not just whatever sim says is what you should be going for?

[modest tendon]

Zine I though you didn’t rate 3ss?

[rigid mango]

Hm?

[modest tendon]

I swear I saw you say you didn’t like 3ss, apologies if I’m wrong

[rigid mango]

Nah, I did say that

I underrated the value 3 ss has this season

Although most of the time people put 3 eb and ss together

Which I don't like, at all

I've never said 3 ss is particularly bad I don't think, just that it had obv flaws

But it's less flawed than eb and ttk this season so

@robust river i'd drop crit for mastery in m+ dependant on traits

I run 1 eb, crit isn't worth a lot

[cloud sandal]

1 NP is bad is m+?

[rigid mango]

I run 3 ss 2 ttk mastery is huge

Np isn't that good, no

I've dropped crit to about 35-36%

Mastery at 54%

[modest tendon]

I’m finding ttk very mehh right now, most packs don’t give 5 cp with 1 fok so it’s hard to make the most of it, I’m just using it as a 6th trait until I can go bbi tbh

[rigid mango]

Ttk is honestly fine

It's just not as good as s2

I think there's arguments for either side of bbi and ttk

[modest tendon]

It always pays for itself, I think it’s undertuned

[rigid mango]

I think if you can run 3 ss 2 eb 1 bbi that'll hard blast

But even then idk about 2nd eb

Unless week like this

You don't pull big enough to warrant 2eb in a lot of cases it feels like, even less so 3 eb

[cloud sandal]

what was bbi again :S

blightborne

nvm

[rigid mango]

Yah

[cloud sandal]

current gear i can get 3x ss 1x EB, DD, NP

or LTTE

[modest tendon]

2nd eb is ok for most dungeons, I find it does a lot less in smaller pulls, I’m not a fan of 2ttk either, I don’t think they stack too well, I’m not sure about what I want to do, tbh, it’s why I was inquiring about dd the other day

Dd and np are both a bit shit in m+

For dd to work you would have to go for a single target crit haste build and not fok at all, I believe it could work

But only in dungeons with very small pulls like KR and ToS

[young portal]

What trinkets should I run out of these? Not played sin in m+ since season 1, wanting to give it a try again

[edgy pawn]

coral and spyglass is very good

[young portal]

Brilliant thank you

And as for traits, are these sufficient?

[edgy pawn]

yes

[young portal]

Thanking you👍

[rigid mango]

Coral isn't super amazing for fort if you can't pull correctly with it

@modest tendon I don't think you can really warrant DD usage in m+ since it's really only good in extended amount of ST like raid bosses, if it was shorter burst fight SS either wins or isn't far enough after to handicap yourself to that point in every other part of the dungeon

[iron slate]

Hey all,
Just got 65 neck and can't find anywhere what other minor essence I should consider using. Have lucid dream and condensed life force alrdy in play.

[modest tendon]

@rigid mango why not dd/ss? You would only be loosing the overall damage from eb, but you would do a shit ton of single target

[cloud sandal]

@iron slate focusing iris

[quasi ledge]

@iron slate You'll have to sim yourself, but it's more than likely between Iris, Crucible and Conflict

[cobalt pelican]

the same thing that applies to ss st applies to generic traits like bbi and even to some extent much worse things than tradewinds

in that you don't lose that much (if any) st while gaining in 95% of relevant situations

if every dungeon was packs of 3 that you pulled by themselves with 1 10m health mob and 2 3mil health mobs maybe it'd be playable

but even then it'd probably be beaten on overall by any other build, and you'd be better off with an outlaw or sub rogue for that situation

[modest tendon]

Do you find in KR eb is limited in its uses though? I find ss doing more than twice of every other damaging ability

[cobalt pelican]

yes for sure

[serene basin]

that'll be the same with temple as well

[modest tendon]

So why not dd/ss?

[serene basin]

those two dungeons have very controlled packs that you rarely gigapull

[brittle birch]

Padding on conscript room though :D

[modest tendon]

Focussing iris major

[cobalt pelican]

because even if eb has close to 0 value

there are better alternatives to eb

than dd

like generic traits

[modest tendon]

Running dd you wouldn’t fok at all

[cobalt pelican]

you would though

even in a dungeon like kr where eb isn't particularly valuable there are still packs that are >5 in size

[modest tendon]

Do you know what size pack 1eb would out damage 2-3dd traits?

[rigid mango]

DD gains value from long time ST

It's not a high damaging trait on 40 sec

You can do better with eb, ttk, ss, bbi etc

[modest tendon]

Your likely right, I’m going to have to mess around with some sims though, does ttk and bbi do significantly higher damage over short fights? I have no idea how much

[rigid mango]

It's enough to warrant not taking dd

• you'd want to take dd in a tyr situation, not fort

So packs are even shorter

Dd'd just counteractive.

[severe sedge]

anyone know how allstar points work?

got a 99 orgozoa by ilvl and 96 overall, and 0 allstar points for the kill?

but i get points for other high logs

[scarlet sequoia]

orgozoa and zaqul have all star points removed

[severe sedge]

i see

kinda dumb

[rigid mango]

Why?

You played a degenerative pad build to get that log

[severe sedge]

0 pad

[rigid mango]

Just like some logs on zaq

[severe sedge]

99.57% orgo dmg

[rigid mango]

Oh, HC log

[severe sedge]

yea

aint pulling no 99 logs in mythic 😛

[rigid mango]

Didn't even know there was allstar for hc

[severe sedge]

ofc there is

only fun thing about alt runs

[rigid mango]

@scarlet sequoia imagine not having r1 on both

Smh

[scarlet sequoia]

i was

😭

[rigid mango]

Losing to NA rogue

[scarlet sequoia]

im nr 2 on hc

but i havent done hc with a good grp in weeks

[rigid mango]

Just clap it w guild

[scarlet sequoia]

we dont do hc

[severe sedge]

raz how do you pull a 45k queen?

[scarlet sequoia]

u just do it mate

[severe sedge]

so much downtime

[rigid mango]

Huh?

Downtime?

[severe sedge]

decree

run around like a chicken

[rigid mango]

I'm still confused

What decree forces you into downtime

[severe sedge]

soak solo

[scarlet sequoia]

there is downtime on 1st decree

and 2nd depending on which 1 u get

[severe sedge]

run alone

[scarlet sequoia]

theres only 2 decrees that u can do damage to the boss during

[rigid mango]

Oh.

I READ QUEEN AS QUEENSCOURT

[severe sedge]

soak group gets boss

[rigid mango]

NEVERMIND

[scarlet sequoia]

🤣

[solid nova]

[rigid mango]

[severe sedge]

and the prison thing

*^^

[rigid mango]

Yah, downtime

Just rng right thing

Duhh

[severe sedge]

i struggle to do 25k on queen lol

35*

[young portal]

Is this the Raz that is r1 on Ashvane haha?

[dark crag]

Raz is only p4

R1 assa

[young portal]

Yeah r1 assa I meant, that's sick

[arctic walrus]

Thinking Raz is the best player here

[dark crag]

Soon i get zaqul head and my gear is complete

[tropic ocean]

@scarlet sequoia i think actually 3 if boss is positioned properly

Stay left stay right and forward stay

@severe sedge be sure to dot myrmidon and queen before u blast add

if myrmidon dies too early blame it on spriest and locks ☝🏾

[scarlet sequoia]

@arctic walrus obviously i am

[arctic walrus]

@scarlet sequoia

[pale cave]

So... I just got my font last night, thing is I just got the hang of using Coral + Ink... so can someone give me some insights, I would guess due to Coral's cooldown activation it should be great for boss fights... and then use font on trash?

[vast forum]

don't use coral+font in m+

[upper canyon]

in m+ i usually just used font before any mongo huge pulls, coral you just slap on whatever mob you're hitting and you get the crit when it dies. but i hate font in m+ so i just run dice coral now so : )

[pale cave]

ok

[cloud sandal]

Why is ttk so good in m+

[rigid mango]

It's not insanely good anymore

It's just a trait that doesn't lose you anything

Every other trait you'd consider has some flaw that TTK doesn't have, that isn't eb/ss that are already well sat staples of m+

[verbal knot]

Its just a better option than DD because you don't really Mut very much unless prio target

[cloud sandal]

Ohh like that

[rigid mango]

I mean, DD is atrocious

So it's not just "a better option"

TTK does decent prio and decent ST, just a flat dps upgrade with nof laws

[cloud sandal]

Rn i have: 3x ss, 1np, 1x DD , 1x EB

[verbal knot]

I need 2x EB I imagine EB is big money on teeming

[rigid mango]

NP and DD are both bad

[verbal knot]

But I haven't managed to get a piece with it

And yeah, I mean Obv you are right, DD is garbo. I mean I think you don't even use Env with 5+ targets right? Just keep up bleeds for Energy to spam FoK?

[rigid mango]

as fuu's sims proved the other day

the number is far greater than that

With 3 eb it's uhh, 6 targets? 2 eb 8 and 1 eb 11

[verbal knot]

That's good to know, I didn't see that sim

I am trying to work on my M+ numbers, Right now I average overall like 35

[pale cave]

Thanks for the advice guys

[serene surge]

When would I activate Razor Coral?

In a raid encounter that is .

[tropic ocean]

[serene surge]

Thank you

[solemn meadow]

[cursive solstice]

what azerite traits should i focus on for pvp

[vestal wren]

#pvp probably has more experts to answer this question 😉

[steady owl]

Sorry I’m an idiot but Since i have 2 eb I will envenom until there’s more than 8 targets? What about tb do I use that?

[rigid mango]

Tb whenever you want to be env spamming

[primal zodiac]

scent of blood is never worth much in m+ right? never heard anyone speak of it here. thing is with my shitty pieces i can go 3 ss 3 ttk, or 3 ss 1ttk and double SoB

any advise besides get new gear considering those options?^^

[rigid mango]

1st is better, but playing without eb is quite bad

Scent is just worse than the tohers

[primal zodiac]

ok ill try if i can fit eb in there, but like i said pieces are real bad for m+ ^^

thanks 🙂

would you say 1 eb is worth dropping the third ss?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[primal zodiac]

alrighty, thank you, again

[fleet whale]

so since the 2/2/2 build appears to be falling to the wayside, would the 3 SS/1 ttk/ 1 eb/ 1 BBI be the "good for everything setup?"

or is there no such thing anymore

[rigid mango]

2/2/2 is still the good for everything setup

The other one is just optimised and a bit better

[fleet whale]

yeah, garrote damage is always so high, that i just feel that 3rd SS is totally worth

[vestal wren]

yes 2 2 2 is the try to make the spec good everywhere,
how well that actually translates in game is quite discussable

[sour wasp]

do you guys use vendetta on big add on radiance?

i pepega'd a pull and lost a cast

because i keep saving vendetta for boss

we kill it in 7 minutes

[rigid mango]

7 min

[lost horizon]

Yikes

[sour wasp]

lmao don't judge, no money to transfer and im on a dead server

[lost horizon]

I think you found your answer already though

[sour wasp]

this guild 3rd on this server

yeah, so i'd have to just pop that shit on big boi

[rigid mango]

Just boost and then buy w gold ez pez

[sour wasp]

but theoretically how would you go about it? just pop the 2nd one on add?

[rigid mango]

if ur losing a cast, ye

it's not bad if it's scary either

[sour wasp]

i have clf until add dies to line it with boss on 2nd vendetta

but i guess fuck it

[lost horizon]

Wait your CLF is back up for 2nd vendetta?

So your add takes a minute?

[sour wasp]

yeah LOL

mate people are clueless, the only guy that heard about benthics is the tank

thing is, if i vendetta the add, we'll have to wait for the other group

so i attack the big boi with 99% reduction

[lost horizon]

Honestly

It's going to be very difficult for you to optimize in that environment

But yeah like, if your adds last that long there's no problem vendettaing

Just make sure you save a shadowstep for the knock so you don't lose uptime during

And maybe cloak as well

[sour wasp]

yeah ofc i do that already

[lost horizon]

Again though, in that environment you're not going to be able to compete

[sour wasp]

fair enough

got a 75 somehow

[lost horizon]

Most people get 1 add set

[sour wasp]

oh wow, that'd be a dream

[wooden flax]

So, is the best raid set up still 3 DD, 1 NP, 1 ttk and 1 Blightborne if possible?

[rigid mango]

That or replace cepha with blackwater.

Which is better

But by smol margins

[wooden flax]

3 DD is still a mandatory choice tho correct?

[rigid mango]

No

Since blackwater lacks a DD, no, not really

[wooden flax]

So with black water are you using ttk and SS? Or loyal

[rigid mango]

Loyal

[wooden flax]

K, thx

[amber talon]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[plucky sluice]

i need some advice on how to not want to kill myself while trying to get rank 3 blood of the enemy lol..

[arctic walrus]

Zone out until you get the achieve

[dark crag]

Remove brain

Or be 1 of 9 out of 10 guys who afk in bgs

While the 1 lonely guy almost solo wins the bg but enemey team only has 8 afk