Sim it as always in your gear
#assassination
steep obsidian
exotic hearth
I just wanted to be sure. It wants me to have 2 but i thought it only benefitted 1x each so having a 2nd would be a wasted trait
steep obsidian
Trust what the sim says
keen bloom
optimal way to use razor coral + ink pod at ashvane fight ?
shut socket
no @arctic walrus
lusty narwhal
@shut socket most vague question ever
shut socket
so melding and stealthing is another vanish which is good for sin keys. melding is also very buggy when you're in melee range so it doesn't always drop combat.
i know for a fact there's a good macro for it, a friend who plays sin in high keys told me about it
but he's not here atm so i can't get it off him
so i thought i'd try the rogue discord
dunnno why you think it's vague though @lusty narwhal if i write it out any simpler i'd be patronizing you
sudden ocean
tbh it's more annoying if you dont provide the information needed to answer the question
shut socket
should i take my question somewhere else?
sudden ocean
i dont care either way tbh, just pointing out that obscure questions get boilerplate answers
sudden ocean
arctic walrus
You can take your question to your friend who knows this god send of a macro 
sudden ocean
don't let the door bang you on the ass
lusty narwhal
What a shit show
harsh sphinx
cobalt gyro
I found meld stealth "good" but only in the odd case you didn't need it to cheese a mechanic, fwiw
strange python
hi@all
muted maple
fight fight fight
meld doesnt turn off auto attacks when pressed?
wouldve thought it does, unless that guy is mashing buttons after meld>stealth and its turn his autos on
strange python
im strugglin a bit whit my rog dmg in myth progress, if theres someone who can halp me that would be great ๐
worldly iron
do you have any logs to link?
worldly iron
if you post it here, more people can chip in and help, but it's up to you, really. whatever you feel more comfortable with
strange python
im cool whit that, 1sec pls
here is one of my logs from yesterday
is benthic gear a must have or can it be compared to 430+?
worldly iron
benthic gear is pretty massive, not even 445 pieces can beat it most of the time
sullen pagoda
your opener is wrong
even if you are saving cds for bubble burst you should continue with regular opener just no cds on it
strange python
i just tried yesterday SS+sub
strange python
hehe
worldly iron
you still wanna change your opener slightly, you do garrote -> garrote -> rupture, you should do garrote -> rupture -> garrote instead
sullen pagoda
anyway u should g > r > g when playing subterfuge ss
you used toxic blade then clf vendetta
strange python
okay for the add 1 sec?
sullen pagoda
u want to clf > vendetta > toxic blade
strange python
okay i understand, but the opener i did wasnt that bad in dmg, the question is why is my dmg so low
sullen pagoda
u got 3x DD traits its not worth it to fok adds iirc
u can do rupture on bubble for energy refresh
strange python
okay rapture on 1-2 bubbles for energy refresh
worldly iron
at one point it looked like you might've withdrawn coral first and then using font, you want to do it the other way around
but I'm also not great at reading logs, so I could be mistaken
I usually just see the glaring issues
sullen pagoda
yeah u are right @worldly iron was about to write that
you want to use font about ~15sec iirc before ur cds so u have font and coral in cds
strange python
buddy can you explain that to me in a more easy way? im not that good in english ๐
you mean the aszhara trinket
worldly iron
yeah
sullen pagoda
yes
also a lot of your toxic blades are 1 envenom, you want to prepare upfront for toxic blade cd coming back up
strange python
so im stacking coral to 12 and use aszahra trinket 15 sec before ueseing the coral?
sullen pagoda
you dont look at how many stacks coral has
after first cds on opener, when 2nd are coming back up
strange python
so in my opener im wainting whit vendetta and vanish till coral is rdy to use?
sullen pagoda
you font then pop cds 15 sec later and get coral crit inside those cds
no
for opener you just do normal
strange python
k
sullen pagoda
5-6sec prepull font and coral somewhere inside cds
strange python
2nd vendetta im useing aszahara 15 sec bevor coral and use then vendetta. toxic blade, vanish
rigth
sullen pagoda
yes
strange python
got it
im going for haste and 3x DD but somehow it doesnt feal that great
whit master assasin
sullen pagoda
you dont go for haste u sim top gear
strange python
well i tried DD whit all crit and now whit all haste
dont feels like a big change
sullen pagoda
sin rogue isnt that much button mash unless you get insane lucid procs
well our stats are reaaaaaaaaaaaaaally close in stat weights for most people i think
thats why i hate when gm is like "is this x stat even good for rogues, what stat u want"
strange python
you want a /simc so you can see ma azerite i got?
sullen pagoda
sure u can pastebin it
worldly iron
yeah I'd like to see too
worldly iron
you've got the boots and hands already, at least
strange python
yeah i get the boots yesterday
sullen pagoda
@strange python https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/42Ygqz2bDUfJwjjjJPGX62
id go with this top gear suggested
for ashvane progress you should make tank that is suiciding get Loyal to the end trait as a must
big gain for raid
strange python
we play since 2 days whit the 2 tank strat, so there is no dead tank anymore
sullen pagoda
its still big trait even without it
also use benthic ye, forgot to sim it here but its big
worldly iron
I forgot to log in to raidbots so I'm waiting for the short queue
too lazy to redo it 
strange python
hehe
worldly iron
but yeah was Mtvcribs sent looks p good
strange python
there are no bentic gear eq
i got the hands and the boots now
should i use them?
worldly iron
it's a good start
strange python
420 and 415 ilvl
sullen pagoda
i forgot to set it to sim benthic too but ye
strange python
this is so frustrating to me xD
worldly iron
really, really can't wait for benthic to be gone
strange python
i thinc benthic was the most stupid the could do
i just waisted so many pearls just to get the right item whit slot, dont understand why they had to make this
sullen pagoda
eh its kinda boring design but at least its something you can work towards
use alts to send tokens
and save on main to upgrade
strange python
yeah i did ^^
collecting on 3 alts
but i cant put that much time in it im father whit famaly and 2 children ๐
so i should go for crit on gems but stay whit hast enchant on rings?
bronze kelp
benthic is the biggest bullshit blizz has made this addon ...
im gambling for so long for bracers now, and still need hands :/
strange python
i got boots and hands now, whats the next peace i should aim for? bracers?
@sullen pagoda and @worldly iron thx so much for ure time and help ๐
worldly iron
no problem
sullen pagoda
one of lowest chances to get bad item
strange python
thats a good idea, but does belt have that much impact like the bracers?
im changing 445 items for 420... thx blizzard xD
sullen pagoda
https://i.imgur.com/pB94Eq0.png @strange python my sivara kill this week
belt did more than wrists and hands together lmao
sullen pagoda
thanks ๐
strange python
3min 23 sec wtf xD u guys got dmg from hell :p
worldly iron
it was sivara, not ashvane
strange python
ah okay ^^
sullen pagoda
ye sivara
strange python
my bad xD
sullen pagoda
on ashvane i had only 48.5k 
worldly iron
I did another sim with haste for the heck of it, and it shows how close crit and haste really is for assassination
5 dps difference
strange python
thx for that buddy ๐
worldly iron
of course there are some slight differences in enchants etc, but the point still stands
strange python
sould i stay haste if i want to play m+ as assa?
sullen pagoda
u dont want haste for m+
strange python
k il go then for the first sim whit crit
whats the best azerite gear i should aim for? 3x nothing personal?
worldly iron
using droptimizer and simming yourself with top gear will probably always be the best option
strange python
do i have to be premium for that?
worldly iron
I think you can only run one gear slot at a time without premium, but it should still be viable
strange python
im trying right now
worldly iron
for me, currently, I'd want gorak tul's for shoulder and hood of the slithering loa since they sim like upgrades for me
at least the last time I ran droptimizer
strange python
seems like it dont shows you azerite gear if ure not premium
worldly iron
no it seems to work fine, you go to Droptimizer -> enter character realm and name -> Press Azerite Vendor -> Pick a category
you can only do all 3 categories at once if you're premium, one category at a time works for free
strange python
okay thx, ill try it now
now its working but i cant see the items from raid
i just wanted to know if there are azerit items on hc i sould im for
drifting cloud
you already have them
worldly iron
ah, right. you just choose Eternal Palace instead
on Heroic
also yes, you do have them, doubt there's anything else you'd want
strange python
okay thx ๐
u just tried now to use aszahara tinket and wait for coral
works pretty good ๐ thx boys
nut just sure about the opener now whit master assasin
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
worldly iron
with MA you just go garrote -> mutilate to 4cp-> rupture, that's the standard one
strange python
okay im opening still whit garrote okay
sullen pagoda
nah u do this one with MA now https://i.imgur.com/HW9N9CB.png
worldly iron
ah, thanks for clearing that up
sorry, was unaware it was officially changed
I read this one and automatically thought "well, it says no SS so of course it's MA"
big oops
blissful storm
wait what we dont garrote from stealth ๐ฎ
blissful storm
the damage diff is so low tho
rigid mango
Yeah, so?
patent ridge
hi guys, theoretical undulating tides seems to be quite good, but as i progress in mythic i ve seen that it is only 1.5% max of my dps as some times the damage in unavoidable, so sims will go for UT ofc but i wanna know if u guys are using it, atm to me the other option is scent of blood so i dont really know
rigid mango
It's bad.
sullen pagoda
look up the uptime in logs nad in raidbots u can sim with specific uptime
edgy pawn
You can check the debuff uptime in your logs and sim accordingly
rigid mango
Just don't use it 
patent ridge
i'm getting old, i didnt even know raidbots had such a thing, ty guys for the fast answer
autumn swan
Hey guys, does anyone know the APL difference between wowprogress and raidbots? I seem to sim +5k dps on wowprogress with the same parameters, can't figure out why.
worldly iron
that's a #wow-general question, not related to spec
autumn swan
I am specifically talking about assa's APL though
sullen pagoda
dont ever look at wowprogress "sims" its hot pile of garbage
worldly iron
sure, but it's still a question of how two websites handle things. it's a fine line, really, so I guess it's 
granite rampart
i think by default wowprog sim is 500 seconds compared to 300 sec default raidbots sim. another thing you can do is hover your mouse over the wowprog sim dps to see which version of the apl it is using as it may be using an out-dated one.
rigid mango
cough #wow-general cough
surreal hawk
quick question is the bug still in where if u apply 4 garrots with subterfuge all of them lose the out of stealth dmg buff?
balmy quest
bug? the last garrote will be after subterfuge ends so it will overlap with a non-empowered one
seems working as intended
surreal hawk
no on 4 different tragets
worldly iron
it was fixed very long ago
royal lantern
and idk why people think that bugs that are 1year old now are still relevant lol
surreal hawk
i just didnt know if it was fixed
steady owl
But should you do a fourth garrote or rupture?
worldly iron
rupture
rigid mango
worldly iron
you only ever really do 3 emp garrotes and then ruptures
rigid mango
If you're above 2 target, you only apply empowered garrotes.
worldly iron
he was talking 4 targets
steady owl
I realised it was a stupid question the moment I typed it
rigid mango
steady owl
But thatโs new to me though, when Iโm fighting a pack of mobs in a dungeon I only do 3 garrottes and then ruptures, no garrotes when itโs off cd? Is it because itโs a wasted global?
I mean that itโs better to use eb?
worldly iron
yeah, it's a wasted global
I think you want 5-6 bleeds running for the energy regeneration. the less haste you have, the more bleeds you'll need
@rigid mango tell em
rigid mango
If you have 11%+ or above haste, you need 4 bleeds, if you have below, you need 5
You generally go g g g > rup > build > rup > fok spam/prio damage or whatever
You then reapply bleeds as ruptures when they start to fall off
steady owl
This place is a goldmine. Thanks a lot guys ๐
sour wasp
i'm blushing
rigid mango
You're as always, of such help
tropic ocean
one mans waste is another mans treasure
robust river
Was literally just going to ask about this. I assume you still use Envenom's in AOE once Garrote/Rupture are down on targets? Is there a set amount of mobs where FOK spam just does more damage than Envenom even when capped on CP?
I assume it's not as simple math as 5CP Envenom = 16%*5 AP = 80% vs FOK doing 20.5% per target thus 4 (82%) targets = FOK spam > using CP on Envenom?
tropic ocean
you basically just put bleeds to sustain energy
build with fok and envenom into mobs that need to die quickly
if you want more overall you use less envenom
robust river
So only envenom if there is a priority target? If not, just spam FOK?
tropic ocean
if you want to kill a hard mob fast you use more envenom
robust river
Ok sounds good
tropic ocean
there was some sheet around in this discord where u could fill in your stuff and it would tell u when fok >> envenom but i cant remember who posted it
robust river
Ah no worries. I'm new to rogue, haven't played it in a few expans so just getting to grips with everything again.
tropic ocean
it usually wont make too much of a super big diff and it has really good value to kill the shitty mobs fast
robust river
In general (I know simming will give most accurate results) is haste or crit the priority for Assassination? I've seen a couple of difference sources say each.
sour wasp
st or m+?
robust river
Both I guess, does it vary for raid vs mythic+?
sour wasp
m+ you aim for as much crit as possible while sacrificing as much haste for it
st is all over the place depending on what the sim says
but haste is up there
robust river
Ah ok, will keep that in mind then. Is multilate build (triple double dose essence) generally seen as the optimal build for Assassination?
full pond
somebody used weakaure2?
glacial crypt
Triple DD is really strong
sour wasp
3dd isn't a necessity but it is really good
glacial crypt
The traits you use can vary fight to fight, and if you're going in to m+
sour wasp
combinations of 2dd+ ttk+ np are good too
sour wasp
twist the knife
robust river
Ah, the list i was looking at didn't have it in for some reason
robust river
The stacking of NP, does that give 80 energy over 20 seconds instead of 40 then?
Or does it double the duration to 80E over 40s?
spark oyster
stacking NP only increases the damage component of the trait
robust river
Ah that sucks
tropic ocean
for raid it comes down to your azerite
in a perfect world 3x dd will be highest simming yeah
robust river
According to WOW TTK buff extension, SS combo point don't stack either so are good 1 point wonders I'd assume
tropic ocean
but theres several very decent options like behemoth chest orgozoa shoulders
if u cant happen to get cephalohide/gorak
full pond
@robust river what do good the weakaura?
tropic ocean
ss and ttk are good stack traits
robust river
So for a starting gear set I was 1 NP, 1 SS then as many DD or TTK I can find with decent secondaries?
tropic ocean
due to the dmg increase
(for m+ that is)
in raid you really just use your highest simming pieces it comes down to what you have access to
sour wasp
yeah, what aus said, 3dd might be the best but the thing is, the inner traits are really relevant, and that's why behemoth chest, which doesn't have dd, sims the best
because of loyal and overwhelming power
tropic ocean
except for undulating tides trait, its a simbait ๐
robust river
@full pond I use Luxthos WA2 pack. Best things are Garrote/Rupture highlight the refresh time rather than just showing when they expire. Doesn't have timers on everything though which I dislike and need to add.
Wait, pieces of gear has set traits? In my head I had it down as random asin you can could roll each piece of gear with different traits (i haven't played much BFA)
I was thinking we'd gone very Diablo
full pond
@robust river Thanks I needed that
robust river
No worries
full pond
@robust river Bro, where can dowload the Lucthos WA2 in app Twich ?
solid nova
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
robust river
Do Afenars pack have the garrote/rupture pandemic timer in built does anyone know?
And the enhanced marker for rupture/garrote?
arctic walrus
They glow when in pandemic range yes
robust river
How about highlighting when it's an enhanced one so shouldn't be refreshed early? Thanks
tropic ocean
If you like the afenar pack more just copy the condition for the highlight from the other pack and add it to it
If it doesnt have it
or display whatever it is
Pretty sure @civic palm can help you hes weak aura master
arctic walrus
It doesn't show empowered garrote
robust river
Ah perfect. I'll have a play if I get on tonight.
slow mortar
445 mydas, it's still the awful, right?
rigid mango
Yes.
distant lava
yes
rigid mango
What?
sterile ocean
Sorry i just gotta ask this but is assassin rogue supposed to be useing Force Manipulater for there wepion enchants im seeing some people usieng Quick and deadly nav
ocean jasper
Check sim for enchants
low junco
@sterile ocean checking random people wont help you, you should do a sim and check which is the best
versed mica
is mut still good for pushing keys? Or should I play outlaw?
Asking bc of outlaw blade flurry nerf
civic palm
Dunno, look at RiO? It's probably very obvious.
rigid mango
@versed mica both are good, outlaw slightly better but sin works just as well
verbal knot
Sin is good but you'll be terrible if you just smash buttons
versed mica
What do you mean by that?
rigid mango
Sin takes more thinking
of when to do what
It has more stages where you want to be doing different things, and it differs dependant on pulls/traits/objective/level
etc.
lone junco
@versed mica pushing keys like 111111111211111212222111112? thats outlaw
rigid mango
Don't forget pushing bladeflurry
lone junco
outlaw has a bunch of buttons these days.
vestal wren
snake eyes dagger build died out noobe
lone junco
Rip in peace
versed mica
I miss snake eyes tbh
rigid mango
versed mica
Does anoyone know a good sin M+ guide I could read up on?
hushed arrow
rigid mango
Mythic or heroic
rigid mango
depends on strat.
versed mica
How accurate is raidbots' mythic+ sim setting?
latent fog
hello all, what should i focus to upgrade here? iv seen rogues with lower ilvls doing better dps :/
sacred anvil
not enough benthic gear honestly
latent fog
do benthic make a huge difference?
sacred anvil
better get to rolling xD and yea it can if you roll the right ones
sacred anvil
get a socket on them too makes it better should be a list on wowhead as well for the best ones
latent fog
guess ill be on najtar for a long time now hahah
rigid mango
@versed mica not very for sin, atleast.
tight topaz
Okay, so I've looked everywhere for an answer and I'm stuck. It seems like a silly question, but is there a talent or trait that takes Garrote off cd? I've watched aoe guides and they are just spamming garrote on three targets before the fight and then proceeding with their aoe rotation. Please note I've been playing rogue for a whole 72 hours so I'm a scrub lol
tight topaz
Damn, I must've read over the no cooldown line. I feel dumb. Thanks Zine
strange python
rigid mango
strange python
After choosing the upgrades recommended by raidbots end up with uneven stats that are either too low or too high. Is there a way to balance stats out cause all raidbots does is give values. or am i doing something wrong?
What do you mean balance stats out?
rigid mango
There's nothing as "uneven" or "even" stats
Some stats are better, some worse. Different specs have different baseline of those stats. Sin per example has very high baseline mastery
strange python
like 1st run of raidbots gives me stats which makes certain values go higher and when i run sim again it tells me i need to lower those values which were meant to be higher in 1st sim run...hope that makes sense
strange python
am getting stats weights and putting them in pawn to give me gear suggestions...
rigid mango
Yeah, don't.
Use top gear.
Stat weights don't take into account the weights after you've changed a piece accordingly
Top gear does
So when you sim with top gear, it'll tell you best possible combination of your current pieces
verbal knot
It's worth using. I was like "Ughhh I have to download a thing that's so haaaard" but eventually when I finally did it was like a whole new world
strange python
ah okay. i will give it a try. tyanks ๐
verbal knot
now most of my parses are 85+ which considering they were green two weeks ago, I'm pretty happy about that
strange python
The stat weights are going to change every time you equip a new piece too - you will be chasing your tail if all you do is check stat weights
rigid mango
Stat weights are only really used to try to figure out logic behind choices and how they impact your gear
strange python
so should i just delete pawn?
rigid mango
Can do.
I got rid of pawn, and I frequently use top gear instead
pawn is very useful when you're gearing a char on low ilvl
the basic weights of stats can be used for a while there since there's too many things negativly impacting your gear to care about that
But when you're having to do proper choices of proper pieces, top gear is far superior.
jaunty crystal
@latent fog Your shoulders aren't the best either.
latent fog
yeah that shoulder sucks, im using just for the ilvl
rigid mango
They're not atrocious ๐คท
jaunty crystal
actually I think 65 heart is your next biggest upgrade lol
rigid mango
hard to beat flat 2k dmg ish
jaunty crystal
yea. That along with some benthic gear could bring him to the high 40k area
sullen pagoda
the guy is simming 44k he has everything to upgrade basically ๐คท๐ฟ
latent fog
yeahh, what is the best way to farm azerite? there its one ? lol
jaunty crystal
we're just discussing what his biggest upgrades are.
latent fog
thats sad hahah no luck with drops so far
fleet whale
got a garbage cloak from my cache
jaunty crystal
I got some gloves today from mine, but I rolled socketed poen's the other day lol
I only have them upgraded to 415 so far and they already sim higher
raven locust
It took me almost a thousand pearls to get all socketed benthic for each slot ;/
With some upgrading of the other slots inbetween
hot flume
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
swift moss
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/crSQy6gMBGgCKZFdAgv7MX What can I do to improve my gear other than getting benthic boots and getting 65 neck?
shy dust
Get lucid r3
arctic walrus
Font, zaqul helm, full 425 benthic, lucid 3, Mecha rings
verbal knot
Font if you can manage it would probably be about 1k
swift moss
Been rolling for weeks and that stupid boss and cant get it to drop
Been trying on zaq helm too
verbal knot
Yeah I mean you aren't at a bad spot, once you get Rank 3 lucid, 2nd passive slot, and gear out your benthic you will probably be close to 50k. I hear that question a lot but I think people underestimate how big of an impact it has
like 42-45 isn't bad at all if you don't have font of 65
swift moss
Would heroic zaq helm be better than the 445 np ttk helm?
verbal knot
I cheat and use Engi helm, it's pretty good
inland plover
i simmed it for me it is, but you should sim it for yourself to be sure
swift moss
I cant raid mythic cause my guild is some straight garbage mongos, been looking for a better guild but cant cause I can really only play on weekends
shut pasture
robust river
Anyone here use AskMrRobot. How does it compare to RaidBots?
cobalt pelican
nobody can really know how it compares considering it's a black box basically
people use simc because it's community supported and you can see what is happening with it, why and make changes if you would like
robust river
Ah OK. I paid for AskMrRobot before I knew about simcraft and stuff. Will keep using AMR and check it against SIMCraft every so often
Already paid for the year haha, was like ยฃ12.
placid mulch
Yikes, so got 445 tentacle laced Spaulders today and 435 goraks still simming higher
fleet whale
OP is OP
placid mulch
Would the tentacle be technically โmore consistentโ since I wouldnโt be dealing with BBI procs
tropic ocean
more consistent yes
placid mulch
Or nah just listen to sims
fleet whale
well, BBI is also more versatile
drifting cloud
200 isnt that little
thats almost a socket, would you rather have an item without a socket? ๐
fleet whale
i mean assuming a 45k sim (which i'm sure you sim higher), it's just below a 0.5% dps increase. It's up to you though if you want the higher ilvl or more damage. You could always switch around on bosses that are on farm
placid mulch
Kinda where Iโm leaning tbh, maybe give it a go on prog. What Iโm leaning towards is trying to get Blackwater chest now to have tentacle be my source of NP and get that Loyal mastery
Iโve got the reverent adoration chest so could be improved
tropic ocean
once u got blackwater tentacle will mostly sim higher
Im using same setup and tentacle 445 >> 435 gorak for me as only source of np
placid mulch
Weโve got at least 2 maybe 3 people taking Not loyal on that ring because there isnโt a consensus to use it or not
So if I get chest Iโm going to start bribing
desert vault
I have crap m+ traits this week ... wish I could somehow get a set of 445 with 3x ss or ttk really. Can only ever peice together 3x eb endlessly
Oh wait would do 3x ss, 2x eb, 1x ttk but that sounds awful
devout salmon
question about focusing iris minor. if I fan of knives and hit things other than main target will it drop stacks or am i ok?
arctic walrus
It's okay
devout salmon
thank you ๐
arctic walrus
I haven't stepped inside of a raid in 3 weeks man
distant lava
not even molten core ? smh
arctic walrus
I've spent the last hour dead cuz horde are in the area 
But at least I'm working on myself/uni stuff in the meantime
versed mica
What are some good trinkets to shoot for that are good for M+?
Not sure if coral+font is all that great for aoe
arctic walrus
spyglass, dice
halcyon skiff
Can someone give me an opener with font/coral double dose, master ass build please, so many mixed opinions I can't get it exact
Mut rup mut garrote CLF vend TB vanish enven?
Or do we hold vend until coral
deft nymph
font at 18 secs
on pull timer
then do normal opener and apply coral when it's avail
then you can font when it comes up and rip coral after your vanish during vend
shy dust
18 seconds?
deft nymph
oh wait that's the fire mage timer i guess you can do a lil later for rouge :p
deft nymph
doesn't that give you a good bit of your 2nd vend without bonus crit tho?
shy dust
Thereโs information on font + coral usage in TC updates
latent drum
hello guys i dont know if this is the place for my question or not . in zaqul fight i assigned to be in Delirium Realm the question is should i save my cos and preuse and take dmg to get out without Shattered Psyche or use it inside to reset Hysteria to stay as long as i can .
arctic walrus
You reset your stacks and stay longer
cobalt pelican
you still have to take the stun if you intentionally leave via a tentacle smash don't you
arctic walrus
yes
latent drum
@arctic walrus ty for reply
versed mica
When you don't have spyglass+dice yet, is any passive trinket okay?
magic fossil
hi, please how we do our opener with MA talent?
versed mica
balmy quest
Personally I do my opener by opening the spellbook and clicking which abilities I want to use
tropic ocean
haha hihi hehe comedian
@deft nymph u dont care about coral in first vendetta
For 2nd and further u align it to have font and coral inside it
raw oasis
u dont care about coral in first vendetta
Cast ASAP to get it ticking though.
You won't get the crit buff during first vendetta is what he means
desert vault
this week is just meh for M+ ...
I don't even know what to run really
think a 1x eb, 3x ss, 2x ttk or 1x eb, 2x ss, 3x ttk build is better this week?
cobalt pelican
i think 3ttk builds are pretty bad outside super niche situations to be honest
arctic walrus
what're the affixes
cobalt pelican
tyrannical raging necrotic i think
tho
desert vault
I can do 3x ss, 1x eb and 2x ttk which might be ok
or I guess I should have stuff to just do 2/2/2 which is prolly pretty solid this week as well
arctic walrus
Maybe the 222 to get extra value out of eb
helps clear packs faster for the tank idfk
desert vault
right, I got a Cowl for my 445 this week, so stuck with the SS/EB on it for now
arctic walrus
Depending on the dungeon pulls, either go with 222 for bigger aoe, and 321 for more cleave
desert vault
I will try 3x ss, 2x eb, 1x ttk cause its all 445s, just to see how it feels on some smaller keys maybe
tepid fractal
depends on crit rating as well
desert vault
usually in the 36-40 range
tepid fractal
not much. i would go for 3x ss
desert vault
I am for now cause its all 445, think the 2/2/2 would be one 430 and the others 445s
arctic walrus
ilvl doesn't mean much on gear for m+
tepid fractal
ilvl means equally in all situations
desert vault
yeah I know ilvl isn't too much of a deal in m+, actually 2/2/2 would be a 420 and 445s
I think I ran that last week, so will just try the 3/2/1 for something different and prolly end up back at the 2/2/2 before its over with cause that is just a solid build
I was hoping for the dang Flashpowder on my roll today, no luck
tropic ocean
Im going 3 ss for sure
lapis shale
Hey guys, I started playing rogue for raiding a while ago, but my parses suck af, I have logs for today's mythic fights, I used wowanalyzer but it doesn't seem to say much, can anyone read my logs and tell me (at least a few tips) to improve my performance?
I have to say I don't have coral and also don't have font
young jewel
Question: Progging Azshara and the hulk is breaking KS like..instantly roughly 30% of the time. Looking at logs there isn't really anything lining up with the time stamp of the break that seems like it should be doing anything to it. Wondering if anybody has an answer
crisp basin
Your warrior charging it?
young jewel
Logs say nope
arctic walrus
@lapis shale link them
pliant sorrel
arctic walrus
Are you the first kidney? on hulk
drifting cloud
must be someone using an ability that breaks it but they dont know it does?
iron plover
!az
vestal wren
!azerite
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bronze kelp
thank god i got my cephalo today
only coral and 2 benthics to go as most important items
rigid sonnet
how do u guys sim for assa m+?
bronze kelp
u cant sim for m+ like for st
you just can sim for different situations and then adapt for a overall m+ gear
rigid sonnet
so how do u guys pick out upgrades / best setups for m+ in general?
bronze kelp
always depening on what your aim is for m+
in most cases i prefer crit/mastery and crit/versa gear over anything with haste
cause haste has on trash no real value
as you get energy via bleeds
so haste only because important on bosses. but with essences you get enough haste to ignore it on your gear
im playing with bote major and lucid + iris minor
so if i wanna know if something is an upgrade, i sim for multi target fights with 6-10 targets
also best setup always depends on dungeon and affixes
viscid lichen
what benthic pieces should I be aiming to get besides the boots for my mythic progression?
modest tendon
Wrists seem to do good damage
shut pasture
good for assa m+ right?
I also got this chest https://wowhead.com/item=159314/cephalohide-jacket&bonus=4817:1512
pseudo hamlet
@shut pasture I can't read the cirylic, so really can't say.
pseudo hamlet
@shut pasture I think that crit is better for M+.
I'm no sure if that's right, but I just spam FoK + finishers in M+ if I have >2 targets (keep in mind I have 2xTTK, 2xSS, 2xEB). After applying garrotes with Subterfuge of course.
bronze kelp
@shut pasture depends on how many EB traits you have and if you have ttk, and if there is a prio target or not
rigid mango
You fok spam and ignore cp at 5+ targets
shut pasture
I'd switch up fok for 1 more ttk but i dont have other 445 piece
rigid mango
SS and TTK are very good for beguiling
3 SS for kr and tos
3 ttk is quite good for bolst weeks
robust river
Does swapping traits constantly not cost you a bomb in gold? Or do you try and keep a second set of gear for mythics?
vestal wren
so, did anyone actually prove that ttk is good or is it still used bc. of popular public opinion?
shut pasture
is this sarcastic
vestal wren
the majority does not switch traits, often also bc they dont have enough spare parts
is this sarcastic
if that was targeted at my question the answer is no.
rigid mango
@robust river yes and no, it doesn't really cost a lot if you can play around it
night vale
@vestal wren i've not seen anything, believe seems to be popular opinion still.
I've experimented with it a lot yesterday due to having sub optimal azerite gear atm, and im not massive fan of it
rigid mango
Didn't know you'd experimented with it fuu
Please do tell your findings from playing sin with ttk in m+ fuu.
vestal wren
you are totally right
given i have less experience then other top players those should have an interesst in the math i guess
so, you try to put responsibilities on the wrong person
rigid mango
I suppose we should all ignore top players and listen to a sub onetrick who plays no m+?
tropic ocean
arguments dont get better or worse by the lvl of the person that says it plays at
theres top players that use 3ss 3 eb straight
so
just saying something cuz player x says so doesn't make it correct
modest tendon
I have found in some dungeons priority single target is much better than overall damage, siege being one, unfortunately I realise outlaw does priority damage better, Iโm thinking Iโm going to take 3ss, 3eb into every dungeon I can and dungeons where thatโs a terrible idea I will go outlaw
tropic ocean
@shut pasture itis, i time atal 18 ez with everoyne doing 38~40k so you're good
modest tendon
Try to aim for 40k
tropic ocean
last week I played 3 ss 2-3 eb exclusively and had pretty good results with it
vestal wren
i think the point where you try to attack my reliability to win an argument
is the one you admid you cant win the argument
modest tendon
Same, itโs great being able to pad like crazy
tropic ocean
its not only good for overall
vanish ss on prio does insane prio dmg as well
with 3 ss traits
modest tendon
SS EB works very well if you min max for mastery and crit also
tropic ocean
with 3 ss+ exsang u'll have more prio than 3 ttk build but less overall so im not sure if its worth it
modest tendon
Iโve not touched exsang much, maybe I should try and learn it
vestal wren
i dont think exsang is as compatitive
ss provides good prio, and as pulls are scripted you can easily get value from restelths
modest tendon
Exsang only does marginally less than tb overall though
tropic ocean
i played 2/2/2 and even 3 ttk 1 eb for a while, because of limited azerite, atm im using 1 ttk 3 ss 2 eb or 3ss 3eb depending on dungeon/affix and the results are good so personally I came to the conclusion that ttk is not the answer to everything and it heavily depends on group comp and dungeon to decide what trait combination you pick
modest tendon
Team comp is important as well though, I run with a boomie a lot and they offer all the single target my group could ever need, thereโs really no reason not to just do as much as possible overall in most keys
tropic ocean
anyway, everyone should try out himself and use what he feels/gets the best results with, blindly following top tier players is a bad thing, as 99% of ppl talking here don't play the dungeons close to what these players play
so yeah for seli it wont matter to have good prio dmg when hes still doing 50k overall with 2 other 50k blasters
for random rogue xy where ppl just do 35k overall it might be a good thing to increase overall to time the dungeon
modest tendon
Ttk does feel excellent to play though, itโs nice having your envenoms really punch
tropic ocean
it is, and it has its use and does a good job at it, but its not the solution to save mankind as it is praised most of the time
vestal wren
you should try subtlety, evi "punches" a lot more
modest tendon
If sub was good I would probably main it haha
I like the gameplay but my opinion right now is that outlaw does it the best
tropic ocean
if u like sub and depending on ur key height just play it
u cant compete with sin or outlaw but if you just like the gameplay and can time the keys you play with it just go for it
modest tendon
Siege and WM, sub is still really viable tbh
tropic ocean
its a game after all so if you can do what you like with a spec you enjoy theres nothing holding you back
modest tendon
Figuring out the best builds is as fun as playing them imo
strange python
What should be 3rd essence for sin in raid?
strange python
Sure, thanks!
tropic ocean
usually iris
unless u need to target swap a lot
or to phrase it better, where u drop the stacks often/or where other essences are just better/competitive
orgozoa/zaqul for example
or queen azshara as well
strange python
Yeah, ill see how ill be with iris on some bosses
sour wasp
got a swirling sands that sims better than my 435 zaq helm but i'm losing my NP
do i pool before vendetta? lol
sour wasp
fixed it lmao
winter moss
huh
sour wasp
thing is i never played without NP, it looks like i starve a bit now
but maybe its in my mind
winter moss
wdym
sour wasp
24% haste tho
sour wasp
i energy starve during np towards the end, but maybe realistically i'm only losing maybe 1 mutilate/ envenom
feelycraft whatever
winter moss
wdym bruv
solemn pollen
I think i read yesterday that using a normal garrote at 2+ targets is a waste. Do you simply skip garrote completely and keep up only rup?
winter moss
where did you read that
solemn pollen
Further up in this chat
sour wasp
that's m+ you read, and it was about garrotes outside subterfuge
solemn pollen
Yes, exactly
sour wasp
and yeah, it was true, besides the 3 garrotes on the opener you don't garrote anymore
solemn pollen
So if you are facing three targets for example .You do your 3x garrotes and then only refresh rups?
Even if it makes you fall below the x bleeds threshold?
sour wasp
that's exactly right
obtuse cedar
Bbi sims slightly higher than NP (17 dps to be exact). Should I get NP for single target to get rid of the bbi RNG ? Unsure as fuck
tropic ocean
you don't fall below x bleeds treshhold
in m+ u use 3 empored garrotes and 2 ruptures mostly
and when the garrotes fall off
you do 5 ruptures
@obtuse cedar i would, yes
solemn pollen
But if there are only 3 targets @tropic ocean
sour wasp
17 dps is nothing @obtuse cedar
obtuse cedar
Indeed it is, thanks big boys 
tropic ocean
if there are only 3 targets you will keep up 5 dots regardless to sustain your energy
so 2 garrote 3 rupture
tropic ocean
or depending on your haste
1x garrote 3x rupture
as much as you need to sustain energy
solemn pollen
11% is the break roughly right?
solemn pollen
Yeah i think i have read 11%. Above that is 4 bleeds
shut garnet
would 440 inkpod be better than either 430 socketted font or 430coral for the ashvane fight
given 2 on use is slightly clunky to use etc
worldly iron
coral font is giga
none of my sims favor my 430 socketed inkpod over 430 font+coral
shut garnet
jeez okay
idk i thought maybe inkpod coral might be rly good especially since you can stack until like 33% then just pop coral
and get big crit with inkpod
worldly iron
I really liked inkpod on ashvane prog before I got my font
wet ruin
am I the only one that actually thinks font + coral makes assa rotation smoother
worldly iron
I'm always using font+coral now because it's just really, really good
tropic ocean
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winter moss
wdym by smoother @wet ruin
wet ruin
I don't know, granted it delays vendetta a bit, but it just feels better
winter moss
i mean you channel the trinket while you are pooling which makes the time feel worth more
wet ruin
exactly
shut garnet
do you normally make it so you channel it on cd?
or do you channel it with 14s on vendetta so you get 10s of vendetta with font and the other 10 with coral crit
wet ruin
I find that my third font (or second in fight if you get to that point) is a bit delayed
but its either delaying tb, or using font during tb, so I choose to delay font
tropic ocean
@shut garnet channel when vendetta is <20s cd
winter moss
^
lime echo
Hello all, on the rotation "One or more Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade" where do i use the Guardian ? Juste before the Vendetta no ?
winter moss
lemme help you
Condensed Life-Force:
In the opener, after MA/Subt window, before vendetta and then on cooldown as it's not buffed by any of your other Rogue abilities. Minor gain in some situations holding for 3rd Vendetta (Providing you don't miss a cast) due to the haste procs.
lime echo
okok sorry, thx
amber talon
Do you adjust your stats to tyrannical vs fortified weeks? I mean, is it worth switching an item or two for more haste so that you donโt struggle for energy on boss fights during tyrannical weeks?
winter moss
im playing in a keyrange from 14 to 18 mostly and i dont
rigid mango
Not really
winter moss
rigid mango
3 ss 1 eb 2 ttk blasts
winter moss
rest with full on m+ stats and traits unless high ToS
rigid mango
big time
rigid mango
I need goraks 
amber talon
Ok thanks!
rigid mango
You lack Np on other pieces or is your crit high already?
steel knot
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winter moss
idk actually havent played in a week and a half
manic cairn
!traits
rigid mango
Waddaya need pascal
manic cairn
I play with 3x DS, 2x Poison, 1x Loyal to the end....so my qustion is...is NP that much useful?
or do i need NP?
lost tree
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/k38vb2pURjSwd8sikPdc8f
unpacked Cephalohide. Fits pretty good
rigid mango
@manic cairn unsure what DS and Poison are ๐
manic cairn
double dose
lost tree
probably ttk
manic cairn
yep xD
rigid mango
Ah, right
NP is useful, yeah, it's good as a 1st trait, but it's not "needed"
You should be able to sim gear with similar traits on just an NP instead of a TTK or whatnot
and see the potential diff
rigid mango
I mean, what could you be using instead?
manic cairn
the shoulders frome the 3rd boss in eternal palace with loyal to the end
rigid mango
I'd probably use them? but I can't actually check what you'd sim with it since you've done a sim from armory and not bags
manic cairn
i send you later my bag ๐ im actually in the train ๐
timber pawn
Anyone available to have a look at my gear and logs and give some advice, struggling to make the best of what I have.
timber pawn
I've done the raidbots thing to a 12 mil interation
know thats on point
more need someone to look at my shit and figure out why i suck
used to parse 85-90 percentile
now i struggle to break 60
winter gale
Whats best 2nd minor for raiding ?
timber pawn
have 450 bracers that are simming higher than bracers
rigid mango
@winter gale iris
winter gale
Ty m8
tropic ocean
die u sim benthic bracer 425 witch socket?
timber pawn
no dont have bracer with socket as of yet
tropic ocean
100% they will be better than 450
timber pawn
ok will work on that
tropic ocean
From firsr boss its just gear killtime
timber pawn
I can't imagine that is a huge dps difference though
tropic ocean
Dot uptime and pandemic little bit off
Opener suboptimal
azerite + benthic + neck 65 will up ur dps to 43/44k approx
timber pawn
what changes should I make to azerite traits?
tropic ocean
Idk what youโre simming but theres no major flaw in gameplay on first boss
timber pawn
simmed 44th percentile
lacking third essence probably hamstrings me alot
I didn't come back to game till 3 weeks after EP launched after 18 month layoff
so ive been grinding my balls off trying to level neck, get essences, achieves for essences, etc
tropic ocean
u have 2x 430 azerite as well
timber pawn
yea haven't had any luck getting better peices with the right traits
tropic ocean
Getting them 450 (behemoth chest/ first boss or gambe helm) will up ur dps a lot too
u can try to do top gear/gear compare to see how much dps benthic neck and azerite will give
timber pawn
running 3 double dose 2 nothing personal 1 overwhleming power atm
tropic ocean
Just from gearing u are very off like obviously your parse will be lower this late in tier
As geared rogues log 50k dps + on that boss
Sim ur char 4min patchwerk and see
How far ur sivara is actually off
timber pawn
running
timber pawn
4 min patchwerk sim comes back at 44816
tropic ocean
so about 6k off
timber pawn
yep
trying to improve my dot reapplications to maximze
can i really be losing that much dps from that?
tropic ocean
try to refresh pandemic somewhat better and keep garrote up better
No its a mix of many small things
That add up
Also be sure u have 100% uptime during vendetta/tb so only move if u really have too
Cloak/pot/vial is ur friend
tropic ocean
Ye thats correct
timber pawn
what do you mean by vial im not familiar with that or im having a brainfart
tropic ocean
Crimson vial your heal cd
timber pawn
oh yea
tropic ocean
Using cds to ignore movement or mechanics is good for dps
timber pawn
ok so try to cheese more stuff with feint / vial / cloak
winter moss
wet ruin
@low junco you simmed with 445 shoulders lol
lost tree
wet ruin
what did you have equipped anyways to have that +30k dps lol
low junco
outlaw gear
atomic willow
I know the dungeonslice on raidbots isn't great for simmin sin.....whats the best way to sim for M+
rigid mango
You can't really
atomic willow
ok so for M+ if i have 445 inkpod and arcane tempest with a 430 spyglass what would be the best 2 for M+
spyglass inkpod?
serene surge
Which are the three azerite pieces that I want to get?
scarlet sequoia
zaqul/pvp head, gorak tul's mantle and blackwater behemoth chest
or cephalohide/pvp chest
timber pawn
you want blackwater behemost chest even without double dose?
frozen karma
Is 2 Loyal to the end overkill? I currently have shoulders and chest with it
shell lodge
w8 is Ashvane an Aberration boss ?
tropic ocean
@atomic willow spyglass for sure
inkpod doesnt seem very good on m+ would rather use dice ashvane or whatever
timber pawn
even if running master assassin or only if running subterfuge?
timber pawn
twist the knife and shrouded?
rigid mango
No, loyal.
timber pawn
ok
lost horizon
Just make sure at least 4 others in raid are using it as well (can also adjust that number when simming)
turbid osprey
cephalohide ๐
though, i already had 445 blackwater chest, do sims undervalue loyal to the end?
scarlet sequoia
ye
lost horizon
Slightly
rigid mango
blackwater and cepha are near same value with 4 loyals
lost horizon
Also allows you to gear less into mastery
rigid mango
but ofc, any death -> it better
lost horizon
So you may sim a bit lower w/loyal if you already have a lot of mastery
rigid mango
Mastery isn't bad tho
turbid osprey
belf
scarlet sequoia
its 11 dps worse for me as belf now
rigid mango
scarlet sequoia
without deaths
lost horizon
Mastery isn't bad but most of the time it ends up worse than Crit/haste w/loyal
rigid mango
I mean, it's mainly CLF that makes crit vers and haste so valuable
CLF and benthics
all of them scale with vers/crit/haste iirc
turbid osprey
lost horizon
Honestly makes more sense, but I remember seeing it swing a bit with loyal as well
turbid osprey
presumably no deaths loyal: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9yM2gwTuW6xXmtVVKwtcUo
oh and 0 loyal allies, lets set that to 4 and run agin
turbid osprey
hmm, guess i use cepha on farm and blackwater on prog then
lost horizon
Right, but if you're comparing to cephalo anyways you'll have a ttk either way
@turbid osprey I'd just stick with Blackwater tbh
turbid osprey
could drop NP on my za'qul head for loyal instead though
lost horizon
16 DPS isn't significant even if no one dies
turbid osprey
to keep 3 DDs
yeah, true
and people do like dying
guess cepha goes in the outlaw set ๐
lost horizon
Its also good for M+
scarlet sequoia
loyal is bis on progress anyways
cus u have to focus on mechanics
so mastery will be better than double dose
more passive dmg
turbid osprey
yeah, fair point
scarlet sequoia
less dps loss from not doing dmg
turbid osprey
ooh and it means i can get rid of undulating in my outlaw set too
everythings coming up milhouse
frozen karma
undulating
severe sedge
is this right?
seems like a 440 should be better than 430?
but i guess not
found my error
enchants was wrong
shy axle
anyone using inkpod in m+?
quite like it for outlaw but wondering if it makes sense to use it as assa
scenic saffron
why do some people play with raid essence over blood of the enemy for mythic azshara any ideas ?
atomic willow
seems like FoK would stack the inkpod great in M+
elder gulch
why does EB do so much more dmg with exsang on herodamage?
arctic walrus
@scenic saffron clf gives more damage on Azshara and 2nd add. Blood provides more damage for the 1st and 3rd adds. It's preference on what you deem your raid needs more damage on
tropic ocean
@elder gulch ?
thats a very vague statement
@scenic saffron maybe they dont have blood or need more dmg at other points of time in the encounter
vernal fern
Isnt the MA opener on Ravenholdt wrong ? Feels like overcapping a ton of CB, dunno if im just stupid
they say Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Mutilate if still in master assassin window
Garrote
Vendetta
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Vanish
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
slow mortar
Does anything rogue interact with inkpod? Vendetta, vanish, etc?
royal lantern
@slow mortar nope
master assassin crit bonus/vendetta dmg bonus is for rogue abilitys only
elder gulch
@tropic ocean on Herodamage if you go Boss w/adds or dungeon slice EB with exsang does more dmg than EB with TB
a lot more damage
tropic ocean
i guess its assuming 3 ss?
rigid mango
@vernal fern where are you overcapping there?
elder gulch
actually sorry ignore dungeon slice, just Bossw/adds
wait it's also using MA as a talent
tropic ocean
in short fights with ss traits exsang will do superior dmg over tb
vernal fern
Overcap if i do mut after rupture
rigid mango
????
arctic walrus
vernal fern
Avec rupture, I go mut which puts me at 4 cb, then garrote with puts me at 5, and then it says use TB and mutilate to 4 cb
after*
rigid mango
Yeah, muti to 4
royal lantern
...........what are you doing
vernal fern
ok
rigid mango
Bote > tb > vanish
winter gale
If I play with Coral + Inkpod do i still use coral conversation on both Ahsvane shield drops ?
Or Just at the 31% ?
Anyone ?
sinful cradle
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rigid mango
@winter gale no
tropic ocean
use with vendetta and with coral again
inkpodi mean
this is just personal opinion but I never let it reach super high stacks as of diminishing return value of crit
if that makes sense to you
deft nymph
yeah you can sorta math out your crit chance and figure out how many stacks you need to make inkpod crit 100%
p sure on most fights you won't need to build stacks from the pull to 31% to force a crit
fleet whale
Just curious does Inkpod interact with BoTE?
deft nymph
now whether it's actually worth forcing a crit and not using it for vendettas is another story
rigid mango
Yes varolyn
It isn't, it's worth using coral with vend
atleast according to the current APL, but font + coral shit could've fucked with APL priorities
deft nymph
i wonder if like, fury warriors or other more gcd-capped specs
are getting more inkpod stacks than us
cobalt pelican