assassination

[broken crypt]

get a belt from world quest and its the one i need

[verbal knot]

If you're doing a lot of target switching (like Azshara) does the passive for Blood of the enemy outweigh focusing iris?

[rigid mango]

Blood isn't the 2nd best so, I don't think so

Strife/flames seems better

[verbal knot]

That's good news, I already have those at rank 3 lol

[steel stone]

Is it worth using blood r2 over condensed r3 on zaqul mythic just to line up with every delirium ?

[rigid mango]

Nope

[steel stone]

kk that's what I was thinking. Should I just use normal ST build over the visions/blood?

[rigid mango]

r2 blood is super underwhelming

If you're goign echos, you go VoP minor

[steel stone]

ah ty ty

[vernal fern]

what should I consider taking as second minor essence for m+ ? currently running blood major lucid minor, not sure about second minor. How good is conflict with EB for aoe compared to purification protocol ?

[rigid mango]

Conflict looks really good

PP is simple damage too

[vernal fern]

conflict is max 400 vers at r3 right?

[rigid mango]

53 x 5 iirc

[vernal fern]

isnt it 8 stacks when you go from r2 to r3?

or am i trippin

[rigid mango]

Isn't that the major?

It doubles when you get cc'd or smth?

[vernal fern]

apparently its minor

https://www.wowhead.com/azerite-essence-power/conflict-and-strife-123

[vernal fern]

Rank 3: Increases the maximum stacks to 8.

[rigid mango]

ah ye, then yeah, that.

[vernal fern]

i dont really realise how big of a buff 400 vers is

[rigid mango]

Enough

[vernal fern]

but i guess with lucid also giving like 350 vers sometimes i can be great

[rigid mango]

It seems like the best but like

I don't think you'll notice it

Maybe smol diff

[distant lava]

it's not 400

are you tripping

[rigid mango]

8 x 53?

[distant lava]

it's not 53 tho

[vernal fern]

my game tells me its 53 per stack

[rigid mango]

Is for me

[distant lava]

unless the ingame tooltip is bugged

[rigid mango]

Unless you're in outlaw spec?

and it's diff scaling?

[distant lava]

it's nerfed in out law ?

[rigid mango]

diff scaling

[distant lava]

dayum

[rigid mango]

maybe

Nope

says 53 on both 🤷

idk which one is bugged

[vernal fern]

24 would be pretty shit tbh

[distant lava]

that's my sin essence

[cobalt pelican]

they aren't scaled properly when you don't have them equipped

[distant lava]

yeah it's 54

my bad

[cobalt pelican]

that's the base before any neck levels

ya

[distant lava]

that's actually pretty good

[abstract lagoon]

anyone able to tell me a assy fortified talent build

[arctic walrus]

talents never change

[quartz depot]

which of the 25s pots would be the best for delirium adds on zaqul

[nova carbon]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic walrus]

You still use unbridled fury

[brisk raptor]

whats the boss opener for assa rn?

[quasi pewter]

Focused resolve is best for delirium adds

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[edgy ginkgo]

hey guys, when do you pull your cds on ashvane m?

[civic palm]

I think you might hate the answer.

[edgy ginkgo]

i'm progressing, so nevermind, just need the answer for best progress^^

[civic palm]

Yeah that doesn't magically change the answer, because it depends on what you guild is doing.

[echo cargo]

Lmao

[edgy ginkgo]

does it change the answer, if im saying that we want to 3-shield her?

[vernal fern]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

you should honestly be able to use on pull and still have plenty of burn damage if you're not aiming to 2phase at this point

but it depends when your guild uses lust and what's going on

[royal lantern]

@cobalt pelican tbf, the ''use cd's on pull and still have burn dmg'' thing is not really true for a guild that just started ashvane progression imo

ofc guilds that allready killed her 2-3 times have that, but if you just started progression on her,its a raid with much weaker people overall

[cobalt pelican]

i guess, it's hard to tell

like 65 neck is a flat damage increase weaker or not player

[royal lantern]

like, ofc you can just 2phase her in theory pretty ez at this point

[cobalt pelican]

i think it's like ~650k raid dps only to be able to beat 3 shields

which i think is pretty plausible

for every guild

[royal lantern]

but, as an example, my raid has people that still dont get over 30k dps on multiple pulls

2p is impossible with that

[cobalt pelican]

yeah i mean those guilds won't 2phase even though i t's not particularly close anymore

but what i mean is like

if you're 3phasing, you should be able to vendetta pull and not lack so much that you can't beat the 4th shield

[edgy ginkgo]

mom

we're progressing right now

i will send a log

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYNjfFGLQ3ZdkJhw#fight=7&type=damage-done&cutoff=2

i guess, we have just to low damage

[cobalt pelican]

you're wiping super early on and nothing to do with damage really

you got 2 ripplings on the first shield which is fairly normal, and you died before burn ended on almost every pull

are you resetting the boss or something?

[edgy ginkgo]

so you think its bad playing of mechanics? lack of heal? what you think?

[cobalt pelican]

your healing is really low yeah

it's like 50/50

people dying to unavoidabledamage/bubbles and people dying to random stuff they can avoid like cutting coral

but you've not reached any point in the fight where damage is relevant

like there'll be a rippling cast you want to avoid before the 2nd shield breaks but you're not there yet so worrying about damage distribution is pretty pointless

[edgy ginkgo]

yeah, we're kiting for the 2nd rippling now

we had the 2nd shield on 80 percent in wipe 7 now, with all dds living.. i guess thats too low dps^^

[cobalt pelican]

yeah that's really low, but you did have a dps death during the burn cause he stood in a coral spawn swirly

realistically though like worrying about boss health% before knowing you can get through the shields is like.. not important for progress

you do have a lot of people doing like.. 20k dps during burn though

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYNjfFGLQ3ZdkJhw#fight=8&type=damage-done&translate=true&phase=2

it's pretty hard to do 20k dps unless you're running ar ound like a headless chicken

[edgy ginkgo]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/VYNjfFGLQ3ZdkJhw#fight=9&type=damage-done&translate=true&phase=2 in this pull we switched to use cds for burn phase .. but there still some guys do like nothing^^

[cobalt pelican]

yeah generally people just have to chill out on coral splitting

cause there's a lot of like.. nothing happening

but some people are just clueless is seems so eh

[tropic ocean]

you don't need 650k raid dps to do ashvane in 3 shields

but yeah 380k raid dps won't make it

this was ours in first kill

https://prnt.sc/oxu1x6

with current gear and neck 65 should be very doable

for 2 phase idk how much raid dps u exactly need, we did it with 710k and it was rather close

[coarse solar]

We are trying to 2 phase atm, about 10% off right now

but could use some serious help with my logs if anyone can check

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Nr4bdPxnJWYLTHqg#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1

Just checking the purple logs I'm getting blue/green parses. I'm sure I'm messing up some timings somewhere but idk whre

[rigid mango]

Your opener is mighty wrong

You do know MA doesn't give crit to cyclo, right?

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

^

http://prntscr.com/oxv3s3

[cobalt pelican]

honestly if you're 10% off it's more than a you problem and you're like.. lacking a lot

[rigid mango]

Unsure what you're trying to do there with the ruptures

And yeah, 10% is a lot of dps diff

[coarse solar]

Yeah I know MA doesn't give cyclo crit, but was trying to get the cyclo on CD asap so I can get a second one in at the end of the burn

Not sure why I double-ruptured, seems like a mistake

[verbal knot]

I've heard tell Cyclo is best used when you are low on Energy?

Is that right?

[dark crag]

Yes

[rigid mango]

Yep.

[cobalt pelican]

if you're cyclotronicing opener at least like

get your bleeds up before you do so

like m r m g cyclo

but i guess that depends on your timer, when we were doing it i could get away with that mostly

[dense cedar]

Got Font last night from heroic bonus roll

👏

[dark crag]

65 neck and no raid the comming week because of classic

[coarse solar]

I would be doing that if I weren’t trying to get an extra cyclo in the burn phase

[dark crag]

Don't do that

[coarse solar]

As it is it’s about 50/50 whether I do, so maybe I just delay the first use unyil@after the MA window

Other than the opener was I cocking up the rotation itself in any way? I know I need to get better at pre-planning TB so my bleeds aren’t dropping during the debuff

[arctic walrus]

There isn't a huge reason to cyclo twice during the first burn. There are no damage breakpoints you're trying to push

[crisp hollow]

i have a setup with really high crit and lowish haste for M+ but the mastery and versa is still really low, is that cause for concern?

[lament hedge]

How do you bring up the individual skill breakdown in the warcraft log? I can't seem to find the appropriate button.

[scarlet sequoia]

go to casts > timelines

[lament hedge]

Thank you so much.

[marble elm]

If you use 2 cyclo in the first damage phase do you miss a cast in the 2nd one?

[cobalt pelican]

you can't like actually ever use more than 2 during burn if you're 2phasing

it's just opener -> during first burn just before carapace goes off -> any time in 2nd burn

i don't even know if it's a gain overall cause it makes the opener wonky but considering cyclotronic damage it's probably better to have a scuffed opener with 3 casts than a clean opener with 2 casts

[marble elm]

Well on ashvane I think it would depend where the casts are at

[cobalt pelican]

the faster you push the first shield the less likely you are to fit the 2nd one into the 1st burn

no idea how it works now that people are hitting 65 since i dropped cyclo last week anyway

[marble elm]

I can’t remember that fight length at all I’m just asking if you squeeze an extra one into the first burn vs just saving it for the second

Do you get the same number of casts into the boss during the 2nd damage phase

I would think so but I can’t remember for sure how long into the fight the 2nd break happens

[cobalt pelican]

it's like 5mins roughly

last week for us was like 0:59 first shield break, 2:10 second shield applied, 3:48 second shield break, 4:57 end fight

and no

if you don't cast on the opener

you basically lose a cast

unless somehow you push the first shield faster than that, but have the fight go 5:10 or something which seems unlikely

[coarse solar]

I feel like I might as well swap Cyclo for something else if I can’t use it in the first burn reliably; we’re getting second shield cast just as Cyclo comes off CD

[cobalt pelican]

2cyclo casts is probably still the most damage you can fit into the burn windows

it's just not great for your overall

[lean veldt]

i have a rogue question.. for azurite traits, i can take either shrouded suff. or blightborne infusion.

does anyone have a suggestion either way? (This is for ST Raid build)

[cobalt pelican]

blightborne infusion, but sim yourself

[coarse solar]

Yeah well I’m getting called out on my overall as I’m one of the lower end of the DPS atm

[cobalt pelican]

it's the kinda thing where like

the majority of your dps is lost just from like

small things piling up

[lean veldt]

so question on siming... dropping it into raid bots... would this be a "gear compair"?

[cobalt pelican]

like you have <95% bleed uptime in most pulls despite the boss being more or less patchwerk with really long periods of inactivity on the boss, you average like 32 seconds between tb casts for some reason

your actual cooldown usage is fine

stuff like this is just like

?? use your brainicles

i can kinda understand it's probably as carapace is coming up but like

that WILL hurt your overall

and especially if you have your raidlead being dense about it

[coarse solar]

Yeah indeed. I need to pre-plan my TBs better for sure

[cobalt pelican]

yeah sure gear compare can work or top gear, top gear is preferred cause you can do more than one thing at once easily

[lean veldt]

ok

does top gear flip your talents around also? or give you "Suggested talents" for the gear

nm i see it

[verbal knot]

Don't worry Cantor, it's tough love around here. I posted my logs too and got roasted but within a day my DPS increased by like 4k

[lean veldt]

btw.. is raidbots premium worth it?

[dark crag]

Yes

You can sim most gems+enchants in 1 sim

[lean veldt]

wwoooooo! i gain 40 dps if i switch to sub =p

now i need to figure out how that changes the play style... (switch to subterfuge from master assassin.

[woeful minnow]

get rid of your shrouded suffocations and ma will pull ahead again

it changes the opener and your vanish usage

[lean veldt]

i have not put it in yet, i just simmed

actually it would be an increase of... 96!

[dark crag]

Post sim

[lean veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9tsap4wu7qvAdSuiXsAAhN

[dark crag]

I have a feeling something is wrong

[lean veldt]

also... apparently i need work on my rotation... (new to rogue).

[woeful minnow]

you're simming dungeon slice

you probably want patchwerk

[dark crag]

And my feeling was correct

[lean veldt]

oops

ty for the notice

[dark crag]

Even with ss traits, ma simmed always better for me in pure patchwork and that was bod time

[lean veldt]

how do i change that?

the sim

[woeful minnow]

simulation options at the bottom

fight style

[lean veldt]

(using top gear)

oh i see

patchwork 5m?

[woeful minnow]

ye

[lean veldt]

okely dokely.

would you say the ravenholdt guide rotation is still correct?

Garrote
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Rupture
Vendetta
Mutilate
Toxic Blade
Mutilate if less than 4 combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Vanish when Garrote hits 5.4 seconds or less when talented into subterfuge

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Gti5UDJa25Zdwyrgrm92H

[woeful minnow]

yes and no

[lean veldt]

here is the new sim.

[woeful minnow]

the guide is correct but you're looking at the wrong opener

that's subterfuge with no shrouded suffocation

oh you don't have shrouded

well anyway scroll down to the MA opener lol

[lean veldt]

i added that into the sim i thought.

[stone crescent]

About to get 65 neck. Focusing iris best ST for raid all the time, then drop some haste and stack crit or just sim everything for the 2nd minor after lucid?

[shy dust]

Sim it

[hasty sail]

is it normal for shrouded suffocation to sim well for me? hero damage scores on the traits show as negative values

[cobalt pelican]

you'd have to link the sim for specifics but it's not that abnormal really

[hasty sail]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAr8hxKbUm1WFMzkmSRP83

low geared alt i know, just trying to get traits in order

[cobalt pelican]

yeah; both pieces have only echoing blades as an alternative primary trait

shrouded isn't s tier for single target but it's sure as hell better than something that gives you nothing

the notorious gladiator's helm that isn't selected is almost guaranteed to be better, though

[placid mulch]

I just read the tc but want to kinda make sure I have the right idea. Got font last night. Biggest damage gains come from using font on CD and vendetta matching with tb and coral matching with vanish

[hasty sail]

lol true, fair enough

[cobalt pelican]

though, if you decide to run this gear

you should be using subterfuge over master assassin

and you'll see a notable bump in simdps

[hasty sail]

other gear is set for m+

[cobalt pelican]

and kinda xfaded

[placid mulch]

Mostly I’m just unsure where the vanish needs to be timed within the font tb vendetta window

[cobalt pelican]

font before vendetta, then vendetta when either tb comes up OR coral comes up

whichever happens sooner

vanish is used during vendetta+tb debuff at some point

doesn't really matter where

when you have 4+ cp

so like, your cds are coming up again close to 2min boss fight

[placid mulch]

Yeah you just want the Tb buffed ma envenoms

[cobalt pelican]

you font, wait for vendetta to be up

then after vendetta is up

if tb comes up first

you vendetta immediately, tb, vanish env whatever coral as soon as possible

OR

you font, wait for vendetta to be up

then after it comes up

coral comes up before tb

you vendetta+coral

wait for tb, press then vanish

[placid mulch]

Okay cool so TB and vanish are the priority pair still

You want them tied together within all the timings

[cobalt pelican]

yeah you'll get a tb sometime during vendetta, just use it then

[placid mulch]

I’m a bit worried font will be a dps loss for me for a bit while I get used to it but

[cobalt pelican]

it sounds way more annoying than it actually is in reality

just make a glowing weakaura when font is up soon

and then press it and vend+tb or vend+coral

[placid mulch]

Yeah I bound the trinkets to mouse buttons just to try to squeeze them in easier

When I was dummy last night I had a few times where I was capping energy while channeling font and tempted to mut

[cobalt pelican]

@hasty sail https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kT2khgJFkD6FHkT2Dc5Uw4 something like this is a little more realistic for what you might play, though if you scroll down there are alternatives if you don't want to reforge those pieces

i just take my hands off the keyboard when i'm fonting

so i don't accidentally w

[placid mulch]

Oh you can’t move either?

Good to know

[hasty sail]

@cobalt pelican hey thanks a bunch my friend, i main outlaw for m+ but have been trying to get my assn spec together for raiding

[white harbor]

Anyone know how big a difference it is between ori's and pufferfish bracers?

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wDqr9R19xya3YwZdSizJ9m

negligible simdps, in reality it varies a bit fight to fight

[white harbor]

Perfect, Thank you! @cobalt pelican

[placid mulch]

@cobalt pelican you da real mvp

[placid arch]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[placid mulch]

Does it seem pretty normal to have a massive stat weight change with 65 neck?

Like my sims want me to regem mastery completely now

[arctic walrus]

What essence did you go

[placid mulch]

That’s with clf + iris + lucid

But I had done top gear with all my rank 3s chosen

[arctic walrus]

can you link

[full sandal]

any guides for benthuc gear?

benthic*

[placid mulch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nPJUGrixWDHx5KwmkQsHnU

[cobalt pelican]

i doubt hitting 65 has caused it to swing dramatically

[balmy quest]

6 min patchwerk?

[cobalt pelican]

mastery probably wasn't that much behind haste for you before and now you have FREE haste

[balmy quest]

all about the 5min

[cobalt pelican]

a lot of people are still running a loyal somewhere in their gear which covers a lot of the mastery

[placid mulch]

I’m on my phone forgot to change that

Hamstringing myself with the 6 min

[balmy quest]

stat weights for 5min says your haste is best?

[placid mulch]

I’ll see what happens with that change

[arctic walrus]

i'm doing one for u

just give it a sec

[placid mulch]

Cheers

[balmy quest]

either way your stats are close enough that mastery, crit and haste are all probs going to be within 50dps of each other

[placid mulch]

So probably don’t go jumping into a full regem right away

[balmy quest]

for changing gems

[placid mulch]

Not like it’s expensive anymore 😦

Poor jc

[shut pike]

Is everyone running double dose over nothing personal?

[balmy quest]

true

[arctic walrus]

I'm pretty sure it was just a mistake, because at 65 you'll want more haste

If it sims better for you then it's better for you @shut pike

On average though you'll have 1 np on your gear

[shut pike]

I’m running 3x np

[balmy quest]

Nothing Personal is still a good trait to have 1 of. Sim yourself but generally double dose is your strongest trait.

[arctic walrus]

that's probably not recommended

[shut pike]

Blood mallet showed it best

[balmy quest]

sim yourself > blood mallet

[arctic walrus]

blood mallet isn't a sim of your own character

[shut pike]

Shit

[arctic walrus]

it's wrong

[placid mulch]

In a vacuum vs your char totally diff

[cobalt pelican]

also that like

totally isn't what bloodmallet shows

[shut pike]

Thanks fellas

[arctic walrus]

Yeah didn't it get bumped down by bbi and dd anyway lol

[cobalt pelican]

it'll probably still be 'top' including the bonus from the first np

but dps/trait is lower after the first than other alternatives

and that's not really counting the fact that gear has more than 1 trait selection

[arctic walrus]

UT is top on bloodmallet

[cobalt pelican]

sign my change.org petition to remove ut from the game

[shut pike]

Lol yeh wish I had that trait x3

[balmy quest]

...

nah

nah bro

[sudden ocean]

@cobalt pelican If I had the power and the willingness I'd stack 3 UT and have all the healers chain externals on me during raid for top logs

so idiots look and go "Wow hes using 3 UT, it must be good"

[arctic walrus]

Just don't take damage

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9HG12HZ5fhdBuPjE6cExAa

[sudden ocean]

The Salting of the Earth

[arctic walrus]

@placid mulch

oh damn it

[sudden ocean]

Dungeon slice

[cobalt pelican]

all that time

[sudden ocean]

[cobalt pelican]

and it's fudged

peephand

[arctic walrus]

I was doing a sim for my dh

[sudden ocean]

Vel

[cobalt pelican]

on the bright side i started one and then forgot about it while running in a circle on classic

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9msg9GCfQHE8Kp4ihr6pN4

[balmy quest]

its okay

[sudden ocean]

On the plus side you helped him break 50k pepega

[cobalt pelican]

it's roughly the same as expected

[balmy quest]

I'm simming it too Vel

Almost done

[cobalt pelican]

low mastery on gear, neither ring has mastery, no loyals, using np etc

pretty normal for mastery to b decent

[sudden ocean]

Who here push their stat alignments around with gems because they have a big backlog of crit food to get through

[arctic walrus]

I'm done trying to sim, raz is #1 i'm moving on

[cobalt pelican]

just beat all his logs and link them to him passively aggressively

ez victory

[placid mulch]

Yeah so it’s basically like if I start getting lucky on mastery gear might change things but mastery looks like the go?

[cobalt pelican]

your stats are close enough that you can basically do whatever you want

everytime you resim this it'll give you a slightly different gem setup

just do whatever out of haste mastery and some crit and it'll be fine

[placid mulch]

Yeah cool and I bet if i regemmed into mastery and simmed it would tell me to regem into crit or haste

Raidbots alterior motive to sell more jewels

[placid arch]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[arctic walrus]

The only log he beats me on so far is court

[cobalt pelican]

then you know what you must do

[balmy quest]

Vel what's your name/server so I can perv your spicy logs?

[arctic walrus]

My juicy private logs?

velaen on stormraage though

best I can give you is a screenshot

[cobalt pelican]

tryhard guilds smhmh

[arctic walrus]

It's not my choice

[balmy quest]

😟

I'm doing okay for a mid tier shitter 2 night guild I think

[arctic walrus]

It aint much but it's honest work

[balmy quest]

hot

[arctic walrus]

my ilvl parses are where it's at though

[cobalt pelican]

0%?

idk if you were high enough ilvl to get the dreaded 0%s

[balmy quest]

437 shouldnt be

[arctic walrus]

so pretty

[balmy quest]

ez

My ilvl parses are worse than my overall, even though I'm 437 as well
98.2 overall average vs. 97.6 ilvl average 😢

I really need to pull my finger out and get 65 neck already, lazy scrub

[sudden ocean]

@arctic walrus with parses like that you should try out for Ethical

[balmy quest]

😂

[arctic walrus]

[peak jungle]

How do I optimize DPS using Coral and Font of Power? Font before pull then Coral after the 20 second trinket timer?

[rotund pivot]

da pins

[arctic walrus]

#tc-updates as well

[scarlet sequoia]

is it best to use toxic blade before or after entering classic login queue

[arctic walrus]

You're actually gonna want to spec into exanguinate in order to bleed out the queue 100% faster

[placid mulch]

It’s funny because this is the authentic experience

[steep obsidian]

its not really

not unless the servers are lagging and barely playable for like 2 weeks

[placid mulch]

I’ve heard plenty of people getting in finally then world server crashing

So I guess we just gotta see how the next week pans out

[fleet whale]

i actually got on Herod at around 7ish, it was only like 1.3k queue for me. but apparently queues skyrocketed after that

[rigid mango]

Mhm very sin

[arctic walrus]

#classic-discussion

[rigid mango]

[topaz blaze]

i am struggling with aoe onm trash in dungeons can someone help?

[bronze kelp]

what traits do you have ?

you need EB traits to do proper AoE dmg in m+

There are 3 traits that work very good in m+: TTK (Twist the knif), EB (Echoing Blades) and SS (Shrouded Suffocation). A good allround build is to have 2 of each. That fits very good on every dungeon on every week.
If you wanna go more into AoE -> 3 EB
more ST/prio dmg? -> 3 TTK
more cleave ? -> 3 SS

@topaz blaze

[placid mulch]

On the engi helms what do you reckon is a better m+ trait? The bombs or the world shrinker

I don’t entirely trust the bombs sim but anyone have perspective?

[bleak spoke]

I wouldn’t use engi helm for m+

But gizmo kinda sucks cuz both haste and primary stat are whatever

[placid mulch]

I TRd all my 435s so I’ve got regretti spaghetti

Might do item restore after reset depending on shoulder roll

[topaz blaze]

@bronze kelp thanks mate but i am mostly going to be raiding just that when i am doing keys i have no idea how to do the dmg i just pop a few fan of knives than go into single target on an add so what advice can you ofdfer me?

[winter moss]

get a general idea of how sin multi target works: garrote 3 enemies, keep up 4-5 ruptures, FoK, Env Prio Target

[topaz blaze]

FoK?

[rigid mango]

Fan of knives

[dense holly]

Guys, have a question. when do you pool energy? Do you only Pool like 70% up to your TB, or do you also pool after evasion? so Multilate, Multilate, Envenom, then spam Multilate and multilate again and then wait for 70% energy, and do it all over again?

envenom* not evasion lol

[ember rover]

You pool to prepare for TB.

Outside of TB window, you try to maximize Elaborate Planning uptime.

[shut garnet]

does anyone here use Hekili

[winter moss]

personally i dont

[bronze kelp]

@topaz blaze without proper traits you wont do proper aoe dmg. So to be super easy for you: AoE -> EB Traits and you crit is your best stat then

[topaz blaze]

so do you reccomend having gear for raiding than gear for M+?

[winter moss]

you need atleast 2 diffrent sets of gear as m+ and raiding favor diffrent stats

[shut garnet]

depends what content u wanna do my guy

if you wanna tunnel on raiding only, get a ton of haste and only focus on raid gear

if u wanna do m+ do that for m+

[distant lava]

Giving the question asked im pretty sure he wants to do both "my guy"

[topaz blaze]

yes that is correct

both, but primarily raiding

[winter moss]

still

get 2 diffrent sets of gear

and a couple of azerites

as diffrent situations require diffrent types of stats/traits

[sullen pagoda]

And dont listen to "ton of haste my guy" sim ur stats

[tropic ocean]

get a ton of haste

sounds somehow like phreak introducing new champions

[shut garnet]

@distant lava didnt see the initial question, just saw "so do you reccomend having gear for raiding than gear for M+?" so you can hopefully see why i answered the way i did, my guy^^

[crimson condor]

Any idea how to gauge whether I'm doing good DPS in M+? 42k overall in a +10 waycrest

[winter moss]

seems good to me

[rigid mango]

Sounds decent

Anything 40+ is decent

45k+ is good

50k+ is hard to achieve unless giga pulls/high key

[crimson condor]

Cool thanks

[shut pasture]

am I tripping

or you can apply 2 poisons

[cobalt pelican]

?

crippling+deadly

[shut pasture]

not like this dude

i was only applying 1

[cobalt pelican]

hwat

[shut pasture]

does the other one give energy or only slow

[cobalt pelican]

it just slows

[shut pasture]

okay I wasn't losing much then

[shut yacht]

Stupid question here: does ss scale with mastery and/or subterfuge 150% buff to garrote?

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oy5c80

[raw oasis]

Yes it does

[shut yacht]

Cool ty

Wasn't sure mastery referred to all bleeds or just sin spellbook ones

[raw oasis]

Haven't played sub in a while but I'm pretty sure only assassination has bleeds now.

Sub has a dot.

[shut yacht]

Ye it is a dot

[rose violet]

Wouldn’t matter for Assa mastery anyway

[shut pasture]

how can I sim assa

in m+

if dungeonslice is said to be bad

[hushed arrow]

Very hard to sim

Knowledge comes in handy

Experience also

[shut pasture]

it sism so long also

[rose violet]

@shut pasture what is it that you want to sim

[balmy bridge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[shut pasture]

assa gear

for dungeons

[winter moss]

crit

mastery

2eb/2ss/2ttk

[shut pasture]

idk maaan

what spec to play even

[winter moss]

dont have enough azerites to maintain two specs

play sin

otherwise outlaw

because utility

[shut pasture]

I mean I have 2ttk 1 twist 2 garrote 1 nothing personal

iirc

[winter moss]

so no eb

[shut pasture]

wait no

2 eb

1 ttk

[winter moss]

ah ic

[shut pasture]

I'm gonna be rolling a 445 item after reset

but Idk which one

because if for outlaw im gonna roll shoulder

if for sin something else

[winter moss]

idk what you wanna play

and how much gear you have to maintain specs

[shut pasture]

whatever performs better

[winter moss]

outlaw

gouge no cd, costs no cp

and everything else sin has

except slow

but do you need a slow really that hard

[shut pasture]

i've just been getting low damage results

from outlaw

[winter moss]

idk how

bladeflurry
continue st rotation

[shut pasture]

my gear is very bad

my only essences are iris and lucid

[winter moss]

yeah

can make that work aswell as law

but if we wanna talk outlaw we should go to #outlaw

[shut pasture]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/miFHqvpTyXHGq1iet83j7q

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uLtCtvoJgwu4XamwgRrary

[winter moss]

seems normal to me

dungeon slice seems a bit wonky to me

[rose violet]

"and everything else sin has"

Does it tho

[winter moss]

what does outlaw not have except the slow?

[rose violet]

8sec silence + damage reduction

[winter moss]

great

built in rotation stuns and stuns that do not cost on a shorter cd

should cover that

sure the silence is worth mentioning

yet outlaw is superior in terms of utility

[shut pasture]

i'm just conflicted

whether spec to play always

[cobalt pelican]

just

use your brain

woo

[shut pasture]

i main warrior

so that's hard

[winter moss]

[rose violet]

If you don’t want to use your brain go outlaw

[winter moss]

^

[rose violet]

Best results with minimal effort

[lime marsh]

I miss outlaw fights in EP. Nothing feels like an outlaw fight anymore. Lost about 7K dps on the fights I was taking it on

[magic fossil]

just make sure to let you tank know while emissary are casting hers "goodbye" you are still in FUCKING combat.

sorry for bm

but happens a lot.

[shut pasture]

just use vanish

[rose violet]

Be nelf

Use meld

[balmy bridge]

[tropic ocean]

@lime marsh outlaw still good

Orgozoa zaqul not much changed

[vagrant tapir]

So, Font+Coral

Font prepull and just coral as soon as you can?

Do you font earlier than normal to get coral up earlier?

Or font as late as you can

like normal

[rigid mango]

It's all in a paragraph in #tc-updates

[royal lantern]

would help too get that information too the spec channels tbh

[tropic ocean]

Its legit in the pins

🤷🏿‍♂️

[peak compass]

Should I actively be looking for 3 DD traits so I can swap to MA?

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you don't have any SS traits, MA is better

Optimally, MA builds yeah

[peak compass]

That's something I've always struggled with, if I have even a single SS trait I should be playing subterfuge, right?

[arctic walrus]

almost always yeah

[tiny finch]

Sup guys! my sims tells me to take Shrouded Suffocation + Subterfuge over the Master assassin losing 15 ILvs on the chest.

BUT i was wondering. on the first 2 bosses ( Commander and Behemoth ) would you guys pick the master assassin over Subterfuge? I know it sims better, but can i trust the sims 100% since those are pure ST fights?

Thanks in advance!

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cPGEbxZhb485gmMRmDVmcC

[arctic walrus]

you're gaining 15 ilvls on chest

[tiny finch]

aye! i was wondering on the effective gain of the build. Since im not used to the nuances in assass spec

[cobalt pelican]

i'm not sure i follow the question, commander and behemoth are st fights and the sim is a st fight

[tiny finch]

yes, but i see people doing the master assassin build on those fights

i was wondering if there is a dps loss on the playstyle

with Shrouded suffocation

[arctic walrus]

people are doing MA build on every fight

[cobalt pelican]

not really, no, they just have better geaer t han you

[arctic walrus]

Yes it would be a loss for you

[tiny finch]

Ah i see

[cobalt pelican]

if you have loyals in your raid playing loyal ma is probably better

[tiny finch]

whats that?

[cobalt pelican]

but if not just play shrouded

[tiny finch]

Loyal to the end?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[tiny finch]

ah i gotta check

im rerolling the chest next week though

on the m+ vendor, hopping to get back to MA

[arctic walrus]

you'd probably want t oroll shoulders tbh

[tiny finch]

are they that bad?

or the OP trait on the chest makes it worth more rolling the shoulders?

[desert vault]

Man, I can't stop getting rings from my weekly, four in a row at this point

not mad, 455 crit/haste this week

kind of meh for m+, but the crit and ilvl is nice at least

[tiny finch]

@desert vault game is telling you to marry your girlfriend

[desert vault]

Already got a wife, not sure she would like if it I tried to marry the side piece 🙂

[tiny finch]

HAAA

lmao

[desert vault]

Is there any decent m+ trait for eng helm? I want to run 3 ttk this week but don't really have any other decent head slot

[winter gale]

Bois is there any video or any description on how to use Coral?

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mSM7dWNnkPSH7gRBxdmFBb

[cobalt pelican]

they're like.. the worst shoulders you can own i think, they're probably significantly worse than your radiance shoulders you already have if you could use those + have loyals

[arctic walrus]

it might be a little biased cuz you have on SS/subt but yea shoulders do seem best

[desert vault]

Gold-tassled for my roll this week, blah

at least they are so-so for m+

[cobalt pelican]

i've had 2x sanguines 1x fastiduous and 1x gold tasseled

: ' (

[desert vault]

yeah that is rough, I don't mind gold toooo much

I've been running 420s for m+, so its a nice little jump

[cobalt pelican]

i have really nice m+ gear

but i just don't really care that much about my performance in m+

[desert vault]

I really wish I had a ttk/ss head piece ...

[cobalt pelican]

i got the helm from pvp

eb ttk somethnig

[desert vault]

I will prolly have to do 2x eb/ss/ttk this week

no real good choice for a helm

[arctic walrus]

what are affixes

[desert vault]

well my sweet 400 crown 🙂

pretty easy, bolstering+explosive

[dark crag]

Explo is outlaw week

[desert vault]

I have one gem in my M+ setup and like 3x 455s ... I keep getting TF stuff and zero gems on my pieces

[distant lava]

explo

[desert vault]

41 crit this week, 41/11/26 is pretty fun

[winter gale]

Coral+Inkpod - I use Coral on opener and then I keep it until I get Boss to 31%

So it sinergize with Inkpod

[unique horizon]

Is that better than using it with your second vendetta?

[winter gale]

I think. I asked some ppl and they told me that.

Use it before Inkpod Explodes

So 31%

[tiny finch]

@arctic walrus thanks my man!

completely forgot about that tool

[desert vault]

Are any of the trais on Eng helm worth using for m+ the barrage of many bombs seems, ok-ish?

[tiny finch]

Oh im going for gorak tul's for m+ as well

but i was hoping to save azerite to buy the Captains helm

since chest and shoulders are so good from raid

for Outlaw on m+

i was thinking about going for specific helm ( captain's ) then gamble on gorak tul's. After i have a decent ass azerite gear combo at least

BUT after the droptmizer results ill try another week for shoulders at least

[arctic walrus]

If you're planning on saving then just get goraks lol

[tiny finch]

im aiming for min maxing outlaw first for m+, and since goraks and radiance shoulders are a bit near eachother ( outside the OP ) i thought about going for captain's

even with that info would you go for gorak's?

im open to feedback always

i would show my Outlaw sim here but its not the channel and i dont want to be INSTABANNED

[distant lava]

no the best upgrade you can get is irontide

[tiny finch]

lmao

[distant lava]

for outlaw

[desert vault]

I really want Iron tides

[tiny finch]

i already have a 435 irontide's tho

but i still have the plan

[desert vault]

I just want it for m+

cause my only two ttk pieces are engineering helm and a 400 crown for last tier 🙂

[tiny finch]

i got lucky with Slithering loa

i only wish wish i used that luck gearing outlaw haha

the game is conspiring for me to go full ass

literally every single piece that Titanforged is perfect for ass

and on outlaw i still have some 415's with socket but BIS stats

feelsbad

[dark crag]

Outlaw is easy to gear, raid pieces are easy to get and good overall

[crisp hollow]

got gorak'tul's today, life is worth living

[tiny finch]

the problem is the Crit vers Meta

because we get haste very easily

and we literally cant equip anything that comes with mstery

[dark crag]

The meta is also 3 outlaws, but who cares

[tiny finch]

unless its a crazy TF or socketed

[rose violet]

#outlaw

[tiny finch]

exactly haha

Assassination is just a joy to gear

everything works

hahahah

[royal lantern]

mastery crit gear?

well, for m+ it is

[dark crag]

Yeah, all my weights are equal

[tiny finch]

no crazy stat inballance

[royal lantern]

haste heavy? raid gear!

[verbal knot]

Right now all my secondary stats are like 5 points across the board

[rose violet]

Getting the Azerite pieces you need isn’t really a joy tbh

[tiny finch]

Yeah @rose violet thats the downside

hahahaha

[dark crag]

My topgear mixes haste/crit gems/ench with mastery food while versa is still close, like statweights of topgear are all within 0.1

[tropic ocean]

@tiny finch you can eq whatever piece you want

[tiny finch]

lmao that profile pic

[tropic ocean]

We‘re not on highest of keys or mdi - when I play outlaw which I rarely do I just switch weapon azerite trinkets from sin

And go with crit mastery good enough for 15s

[tiny finch]

I know my man, i just try to follow sims on that. want to gear as best as i can to push as high as i can

Sims + Feedback from the community as well

BUT it is for outlaw not for ass, i dont go ass on m+

[tropic ocean]

yeah so equip your best simmed piece

[tiny finch]

doing it atm

[tropic ocean]

The logic behind gearing is to use your best possible

[crisp hollow]

i have like 0 mastery outside of some rings that don't even sim well and i dont think its impacting my sin play at all

[tiny finch]

pains me not to use the 450s though

:((

[tropic ocean]

@crisp hollow it impacts dmg tho

[crisp hollow]

mast still not simming high on my stat weights tho

[tropic ocean]

it felt better and better the more I lowered haste and added crit mastery

[crisp hollow]

like still 3rd to crit and haste

[tropic ocean]

in m+?

[crisp hollow]

no in ST sorry

[tropic ocean]

Crit mastery will be >>> haste

[crisp hollow]

i know haste is butt in M+

my bad i jumped in at a wrong time

i play outlaw in M+

[tropic ocean]

In st the stats are not very far off each other

I have close % in crit/haste/mastery for st

[crisp hollow]

am i okay to run sivarra head for M+ as sin? idk how good tides is as a trait

[arctic walrus]

depends on your other options

[crisp hollow]

literally none

engi head with DD for raiding rn

[desert vault]

I might run engi head with ttk and barrage maybe since I have no options

for m+

[crisp hollow]

cuz in raid all else you can get is NP with either EB or SS

[arctic walrus]

then it's fine

[tropic ocean]

Im still using 420 over it

😂

[desert vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6DMhWX3CptQkPRvLo13E11

Weird it doesn't want me to trade gems when haste and vers are both higher than crit

and that is kind of low for 435, yeah? Just need more sockets, benthic levels increased, etc?

[cobalt pelican]

it's not really that weird, you don't have vers selected and stat weights are based on the gear you have equipped not the gear with no sockets

it's not really that low either, your azerite is still low ilvl and all your offset pieces are like 410

[crisp hollow]

only azerite upgrades left for me are ceph chest and swirling sands head, both pretty minor over behemoth chest and engi head

should i consider saving up to buy specific pieces?

or i guess roll heads in hopes of irontide for outlaw too to replace mechagon head

[sullen pagoda]

Just go for outlaw/m+sin azerites

Head is 250 increase and ceph is barely even increase for me

Not counting in some pepega dying and me getting fat ltte buf

[crisp hollow]

then its heads next week in hopes of something with EB that doesn't suck

[hushed arrow]

Guys is there any way to not aggro the void near the first patrol on dog bonus event in freehold?

[turbid galleon]

Just vanish it

[worldly moon]

i got the "Your spells and abilities have a chance to deal physical damage to nearby enemies while in Nazjatar or the Eternal Palace." bracers with socket. should i keep rolling or is that fine?

[arctic walrus]

keep rooling

[crisp hollow]

frost damage or pufferfish

[hushed arrow]

@turbid galleon vanishing reset combat too?

[distant lava]

yes

just vanish a bit away

you can also trigger the dog next to her without pulling her

[cosmic pier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cSANQ4GVNWt1ac5jhmoFXX 50k finally

[rigid mango]

[rancid bobcat]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/591712741350440970/615953879963533357/unknown.png

im ready for zaqul

[royal lantern]

welcome too the cool kidz rank 4 club

remember: everytime somone complains about the blood farm, you need too flex with your rank4

[strange python]

new to rogue, read the guides, but wanna double check with the discord - whats the appropriate way to play assass in keys? spread ruptures/garrotes etc, and envenom if everything has bleeds/poisons? and when should you consider crimson tempest?

[rose violet]

you only need to apply bleeds to the point where you can no longer be energy starved

from then on you envenom your target

with the current trait combinations you're running as assa ct is not really an option

[strange python]

thought so, saw some guides that still recommended it, but it seemed off

[steep lagoon]

I like CT in some high keys (22/23) on Fort with either Exsanguinate or PB

[rigid mango]

What the unholy

CT and exsang

[swift moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/abnMsLsFe8vBVLpP7nV4f3

[rigid mango]

Stop right there.

[swift moss]

does this seem right?

[rigid mango]

Your waist has no gem in it

You're comparing an ungemmed waist to a gemmed waist

[swift moss]

I mean the upgrades

The boots are barely an upgrade

[rigid mango]

Because you ahve 440 socketed ones?

[swift moss]

People kept saying that 455 socketed probably weren't better...

[rigid mango]

They aren't

Very close anyways

[swift moss]

Thanks

[rigid mango]

But you're comparing non socketed legs to socketed ones, sockted 440's to socketed 425's

[rancid bobcat]

"barely an upgrade"

0.8% is a lot bruh

you dont get increases like that outside of new trinkets or azerite

[reef frigate]

"0.8% is a lot bruh", damn i dont want to run LFR trinkets

[rancid bobcat]

not sure what youre trying to say here

[reef frigate]

i hav 2 445 trinkets, that sim worse than a LFR razor coral

and LFR azashara trinket

[rancid bobcat]

still not sure how thats related to what i said

[honest needle]

I just got a 440 dice is that still a top trinket for assasination will it replace my 420 cyc blast mech trinket ?

[fleet whale]

getting a new MH wep that is significantly higher ilvl can be a big jump in dps too

[honest needle]

can some 1 tell me why my legs and ring are simming higher i feel my other legs and rings have much better stats https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8pN4HvwH8kThhARsrd4Pfq

wrong sim fuck me

1 sec

ment to do patchwork

[honest needle]

440 harlan dice is only 40 dps difference from mech trinket thats insane https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2E7S5AVtbKMwqKBtvHGyMZ

I thought it would b alot more

[rigid mango]

Dice sucks

Cyclo is good

[sharp viper]

can you still cloak soak orgozoa add explosions?

[rigid mango]

never could

And no, you can't

[untold current]

finally ffs

I've actually spent close to 200k residuum to get here

[winter moss]

[arctic walrus]

see it all works out

[rigid mango]

not for me

[winter gale]

Is it ok to have more Haste than Crit?

Like 27%Crit and 28% Haste*

I simmed myself, it says like that

[arctic walrus]

There's no real goal in terms of stats

just as long as you have the best for your character, ur good

[winter gale]

Ok

Ty ty, Ill follow my sims blindly then 😄

[honest needle]

@rigid mango so should i not use 440 dice even tho it sims higher

should i just use mech trinket\

[rigid mango]

Proc based + mecha trinket has really good uses

I wouldn't, fuck that

[dense cedar]

Got my weekly downgrade

wew

[arctic walrus]

I got an upgrade for once

nice spyglass

[desert vault]

It is fun running 2x 445 and 1x .... 400 azerite for m+ 🙂

[heavy haven]

this is probably a dumb and over answered question, but is there a piece to roll azerite with residium that is the best one to shoot for (between helm, shoulders and chest)

[rigid mango]

Do a droptimizer sim

To see what's personally best for you, upgrade wise

[heavy haven]

oh i didnt know you could droptimizer the residium roll

[rigid mango]

Raid has good pieces for all

[heavy haven]

wait does residium rolls give raid pieces

am i an idiot

[rigid mango]

No, I meant that raid has good pieces for all slots

Aka, you don't really have to put that into consideration

[heavy haven]

oh gotcha that makes sense

so i'll shoot to replace my 415 then

[wheat vigil]

So I hit a 440 galecallers but I’m not sure where I could actually use it over font/coral 430s. Short execute fights maybe?

[glacial jasper]

455 crit haste ring mmmmmm

[royal lantern]

galecallers is not really that good

[wheat vigil]

Yeah I knows

Just trying to think where it might be useful

Ashvane maybe

[balmy condor]

Nowhere

[heavy haven]

rip the 445 not an upgrade over the 420

[balmy condor]

You could use galecallers on ashvane

[wheat vigil]

Yeah I was afraid nowhere would be the case ah well

[balmy condor]

Or just use inkpod

Or just use coral

[tropic ocean]

Use galecallers on first boss

[wheat vigil]

Only got a 415 ink

[rigid mango]

Just use better trinkets loooool

[tropic ocean]

you dont need to move if u play smart

[rigid mango]

[wheat vigil]

Oh well. Better than yet another cloak

[untold current]

First sim with shoulders and haste to OH shows the highest dps, but subsequent sims are not replicating and showing different setups. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3YV7cSG7FWqKqHf3Y4GABi

Even when haste to OH selected other sims showing different setups around 20-30 dps lower. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iWNVMKE6H43FmpqenFJTwr

Should I just go with the first sim setup?

[rigid mango]

I would, yeah

[river zinc]

does the sim take into account the dmg from the gloves off azshara?

[rigid mango]

Yes?

[rancid bobcat]

first sim doesnt say custom potion and i think the default assassination st one uses focused resolve still

but that shit is still within sim error anyway

hmm nevermind i guess it was finally changed to unbridled

or rather, maybe it was changed a while ago and i didnt notice

but anyway, 20 dps is within the margin of error

[lone junco]

@rancid bobcat margin of error for potions in game can be the 1-2 seconds you click it early cause someone always makes contact at 0.9 s left in pull timer.

[jagged tulip]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4PRP6NoCQiNumMUmJjB7r8

i feel like this sim is much lower than i should be simming at with my ilvl and stuff?

[daring cave]

Question, I have Inkpod(430) and Dead-eye (450).. Sims say the dead eye is 100dps higher than inkpod. SHould i run the inkpod in raid or switch to dead-eye. Just looking for input

Are the stacks worth waiting untill it gets below 30%

[distant lava]

inkpod is good

[arctic walrus]

what's the trinket in other slot

[distant lava]

but if spyglass is simming higher play spyglass

[daring cave]

Coral

[halcyon grotto]

will shadowmeld allow you to receive the master assassin dmg bonus on a boss fight?

[daring cave]

Ok, yeah just curious, I can switch bk to coral and spyglass

[distant lava]

@halcyon grotto I'm pretty sure it doesn't

[halcyon grotto]

kk ty. i didn't think so but figured it was worth asking

[distant lava]

vel

you noob

on trash

you meld then stealth

then triple garrote

[arctic walrus]

Sorry I'm only #2

[distant lava]

tho

it works with MA too I guess, but meld has to drop combat for you to restealth to get the bonus

so on bosses it doesn't work

[dawn anchor]

Does CLF benefit from MA?

[arctic walrus]

no

[placid mulch]

Wait what shadowmeld actually acts as a 2nd vanish for us

Brb race changing

In m+*

[errant shadow]

so guys.. i have a few questions. cause i suck with rogue.. first of all, im using hekili for brain memory to learn the rotation.. is it good?
then im always energy hungry, should i save some energy when toxic blade is coming off cd, to have that little burst of dmg or? and im currently on 45% mastery, 20% haste and 25% crit, should i change something about that? i found rogue fun to play, i just want to learn it properly.. thanks for your help in advance 😄

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[civic palm]

https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-rotation-guide

[errant shadow]

i was watching every single guide. and still im lacking something, i dont know what

tbh

[placid mulch]

I found it somewhat helpful to sim my character then view the ability log

[daring cave]

Whats a good prepot, IM using guardian atm so would i wanna use Fury or i heard some are using Resolve

[civic palm]

Your answers are in there, mostly.

[placid mulch]

And look at timing ideas to at least get an idea how a robot uses the priority list

[reef frigate]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[errant shadow]

i couldn find the answer about energy hunger thing.

[civic palm]

The wowhead guide mentions pooling multiple times.

[placid mulch]

If you never had to refresh bleeds you would mut to 4 or 5 cp then pool, envenom, mut to 4/5 cp

Repeat repeat

You’re trying to do that amidst refreshing bleeds and using TB on CD

[shut pasture]

How do I know when to vanish on trash

Do I track other people's cooldowns

Because sometimes I vanish and trash melts before I can ramp

[civic palm]

Sounds like a waste of time in that case.

[brisk stream]

got my coral,how often do I use this baby

[errant shadow]

what do i want to gem ?

mostly?

[rose violet]

your highest simming stat gem

[civic palm]

[fast anvil]

!Essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[steel orbit]

does NP stack well? Or still best to run just one/

[errant shadow]

im running two of them, one twisting knife and 3 dd

[river zinc]

The sims are kinda weird..they show azerite pieces that can't even reach 445. Is there a certain helm I should go for. Keep in mind I won't have access to Za'qul mythic for awhile

[civic palm]

ZaqHeroic :3

[rose violet]

visit azerite vendor and 🙏

[river zinc]

haha

[arctic walrus]

Your options are zaqul, azerite vendor, or duelist helm

[night summit]

CD rotation on pull and on CD?

[zenith gust]

Or engineering helm

[night summit]

Rotation on pull with pocket trinket and font?

[tropic ocean]

@night summit

use cyclo whenever pooling or need of burst dmg

[night summit]

is cyclo even good anymore?

[tropic ocean]

that is not a time based question

But a question what items you have access to and which encounter you are fighting

[night summit]

i just dont know if it sims well and just in shit in action

[tropic ocean]

it will perform as good as in your sim if you use it properly

[woeful minnow]

I have to say cyclo feels really bad if you lust on pull

it feels like forever before your first use

otherwise it's p good

[night summit]

are traits more important than ilvl/stats?

[tropic ocean]

sometimes yes sometimes no

[bleak spoke]

When you try to 2p ashvane do you hold second v for second condensed

[hollow gyro]

So inkpod over font for ashvane burn?

[bleak spoke]

No way font is way more

[dark crag]

Since you wont get a third vend, yes

[bleak spoke]

I’m assuming you font 10 seconds prevendetta and just pop coral asap too

Or do you hold it to 5 before vendetta and coral the bottom of v + next Tb

[dark crag]

I like 10 sec pre vendetta + last 10 sec of vend with coral

[bleak spoke]

ite will give that a try

[dark crag]

Tc updates has a indepth coral+font use

I got mechanics one fight and tried a bit with under 20 sec pre vend

Having coral+font with vend/vanish and tb is pure crit

[deft nymph]

finally got a coral, can finally shelve cyclotron

[sand otter]

that feeling when they are worse than 385 benthic

[dark crag]

The trick with coral+font is to wait with vend a bit. Overall you will just wait a few secs with 2nd vendetta to align it better with font. The real deal breaker is the stupid 25 sec tb cd, the goddamn twenty-five seconds

Tb on 30 sec cd with 10 sec duration would lift assa to god status though

The perfect alignment of cds

[jovial canopy]

hey there quick question. what pots do you recommend?

[dark crag]

Unbridled fury

[jovial canopy]

for single target and aoe?

ive been using unbridled fury in raid and super battle pot in m+ but i read on wowhead they recommend empower proximity for 4+ targets

[dark crag]

Is that the pot that gives agi based on mobs around you?

If you pot at trash sure

[rancid blaze]

Is Ink Pod not good for sin?

[dark crag]

Its ok

[crisp hollow]

how should i open on behemoth? like how much do i invest into the puffer at the start

[dark crag]

Ink + coral is nice for progress because font usage is a bit advanced and requires standing still

I use m r m 4+ env m 4+ env

[rancid blaze]

ok cause i have a 430 pod and 423 cyclo and the latter is simming better

[dark crag]

Whats the other option?

[jovial canopy]

@dark crag its the pot that gives agi based on mobs

[rancid blaze]

430 coral

[dark crag]

Cyclo is also good

Get coral on mob asap and when you reach low energy use cyclo

[rancid blaze]

ok gotcha thanks

[dark crag]

The fish at behe should die very fast, even in progress the fish died before garrote was ready, so just rupture it, do a few mutis and envenoms, get buff, step to boss with cps and do a "infight" opener

[cold bay]

hey guys im having some issues w my downtimes after my cooldowns drop and opener ends, should i pool energy for elaborate planning or just spam mutilate+envenom+refresh bleeds when i have my cds on cd?

[rapid otter]

!CORAL

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[sand otter]

got my rank 3 life force

wooooo

[wary ice]

does off hand damage matter or is it a stat stick?

[cobalt pelican]

you still attack with it

so i mean, it matters, but marginally

[wary ice]

Fair

[cobalt pelican]

mut dmg is calculated mainhand only

[wary ice]

I meant more like "should i just auto ilvl like i do main hand or should i sim it"

[cobalt pelican]

so generally for example a socketed lower ilvl dagger > a higher ilvl dagger

but you won't just take like

a haste crit one over a vers mastery one

[wary ice]

yeah im debating between 415 socket vs 430 socket

[cobalt pelican]

if the haste crit one was lower ilvl

you wouldn't bother with that

easiest to sim it though it'll give you the values, if both have sockets there's basically no planet where the 430 isn't better though

[wary ice]

lol im sorry its late for me

but yeah i'll take a sim to it ty

[languid ore]

!coral

[prisma monolith]

The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.

[severe bough]

any comments on the Ashvane "burn" strat? (2 shield break)

[cobalt pelican]

do damage

[severe bough]

[cobalt pelican]

there's not really much to say to be honest, like it simplifies the fight a lot but if you don't have the damage you don't have the damage