But we don’t really get anything insane out of mechagon except the rings
#assassination
bleak spoke
sudden ocean
It loses a lot from not having secondary stats but it'll probably be good next season when we lose benthic
provided it doesnt share an internal with trinkets
My tank pally ones don't to my knowledge
cobalt gyro
there's a punchcard from one of the bosses that doesn't as well
and it gets nutty
80k dmg on a 15s
bleak spoke
i feel like those wrists would ruin someone in pvp tho
ripe nimbus
maghar is the OG orc tho?
granite parrot
hello guys. Should I use the Engeneering Head or an heroic head to get my NP Trait?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qY7EX1YYJKEDbdhRkW5HNk
not sure how important NP would be
last ingot
I have 430 daggers. Mythic (1st boss) and weekly chest havent dropped a weapon so far. Is it worth running M+ hoping for a warforge (10+ keys). Or just hopeless.
ripe nimbus
you do what u feel like u need to do ill say ive run a shit ton of M+ and havent seen a single WF weapon so im still stuck with 430 weapons
RNG varies from person to person tho xD
summer marten
Looking at my 445 titanforged weapon from weekly cache...
ripe nimbus
@granite parrot u can sim it
last ingot
Yeah. I have 50+ runs no wf weapon so far
summer marten
he literally linked sim where he compared them o_O
granite parrot
its the same dps output with simming
but thats the theory right?
sometimes in real fight some things do better then others. J
bold whale
granite parrot
so i thought you maybe have an idea what will be better in reality
ripe nimbus
1 NP is always really good.
jovial plume
I’m only simming around 30 k with ilvl 427. Wth i’m doing wrong haha
ripe nimbus
link ur sim
ripe nimbus
get rank 3 essences and get a better trinket then phial
distant lava
bad essences aswell
jovial plume
Yeah I was still in pvp spec so that is why used talent compare.
celest ruin
is arcane tempest trink good for m+?
solid nova
Traits too
jovial plume
What traits should i aim for?
ripe nimbus
Double dose, NP, loyal to the end, overwhelming power
scarlet sequoia
blightborne infusion
jovial plume
Not the envenom one?
ripe nimbus
yes
ripe nimbus
This is sim with benthic: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/muYJ2ykHQWUFqPYxtjuh71
this is sim without benthic: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2Bgve6udu9w9hzfuVhmzFy
distant lava
I wonder what the effect on them is worth
cause that's your sim without benthics but with better gear on there
ripe nimbus
well most pieces of benthic at 425 socketed dont even get beat by 455 socketed regular gear
so... alot
rose violet
Can you do 50k in raid tho
distant lava
he probably can
ripe nimbus
i got 65, i got all my benthic gear to 425 with socket. what the hell do i do in game now.. did i beat it???
is it time to raid log?
sudden ocean
You give up
ripe nimbus
sure but the rest of stuff is just RNG drops that i can try at once a week.
rigid mango
Farm m+ for nutty ttfs 
distant lava
go for 70 pussy
bleak spoke
Man I’ve played not as many dungeons this season as last but legit haven’t seen an upgrade in weeks
rigid mango
Ditto
bleak spoke
Doing like at least 5 or 6 dungeons a day
ripe nimbus
the only thing worth while from M+ i can get is tf rings really.
bleak spoke
Rings cloaks and legs
cobalt gyro
Ofc you can't get upgrades
distant lava
what's your gear lettuce, I want to stalk 
bleak spoke
Oh odo’s seen my dungeon sin set
rose violet
5 or 6 a day?
cobalt gyro
It's DISGUSTING
distant lava
you show me yours and I'll show you mine 
rose violet
Filthy casual
bleak spoke
I mean that’s cuz my guildies take fucking years to get into keys
If I played with the groups from last season would be double that or triple that per time spent zzzz
distant lava
doing keys with guildies 
bleak spoke
Okay they’re nice people
ripe nimbus
link ur gear!
distant lava
when it goes to shit and you're forced to take it
yeah lettuce we want your SIN gear to keep this on topic
bleak spoke
Man at least with my experience I can fix things
Err when I sit back down at my computer
cobalt gyro
Honestly the only part I didn't like about running with them lettuce is their relative inexperience
bleak spoke
Yeah
cobalt gyro
But i did like 1300 keys so far so like
bleak spoke
Like they’re actually good players
But being a good player doesn’t stop you from being cheesed by the gotchas
Tide emissary with maggots in waycrest hallway?
rose violet
Good player or good raider?
cobalt gyro
Mfw we know all the tricks and still new shit happens to go wrong
bleak spoke
Gotcha!
rose violet
There’s a difference
scarlet sequoia
imagine simming less than 53186
cobalt gyro
Nah they're good
bleak spoke
Like lmao if you’ve never played a high waycrest and manage to not get oneshot by 6 spits somehow
bleak spoke
Loool
rose violet
Ah
bleak spoke
Not enough rogues for whole hallway man
rose violet
A classic
ember rover
Have your bars glow when enemies are casting and the target is you.
bleak spoke
That pull is hard without many rogues
ember rover
Have their healthbars glow, that's how I fixed so many of my issues 😄
ripe nimbus
39 parse on orgo sub? da fk! i thought u were an outlaw god.
cobalt gyro
Spits aren't really something you can have a healthbar for
bleak spoke
Yeah but the problem is that people don’t know the impact of a spot on a 19 waycrest is 52k
bleak spoke
Like that’s the dot application hit
So if you get 6 on you and you don’t know that you don’t preimmune them
And you die insta
cobalt gyro
If you pull tons of maggots you're rolling the bones of whether you live or die
distant lava
looks like it's right down my alley then
cobalt gyro
Why cause you chain roll shit buffs?
cobalt gyro
To be fair i was deadspec in that key
simple meteor
anyone else with 0 haste equip set for zaqul? 🙂
cobalt gyro
So we had to babypull that stuff
rose violet
Still rocking my 17% one
bleak spoke
I mean you don’t actually lose that much from a full crit mastery setup do you
Also you’re gonna have haste from benthic no matter what
rose violet
For st you do
lethal heart
you say you dont really spend most of your time in delirium
buti n reality
p1 you just /afk
p2 is literally only your cds
- then delirium
then its meh, delirium waiting room
once you're out of delirium after split add
you pray your healers dispel you + delirium waiting room
cobalt gyro
Sounds shit
lethal heart
delirium + end of fight/you die most likely if your raid has bad dps
bleak spoke
Oh god not a skill check on healers notlikethis
lethal heart
i mean its on both ends
you cant be a complete pepega
and expect people to pvp dispel you in 0.1s
ripe nimbus
sure u can
bleak spoke
Yeah
ripe nimbus
dispelling is easy
bleak spoke
I’m gonna scream if I don’t have a personal dispel macro 😃
From one of the healers lol
lethal heart
there is thing called global cooldown aswell
bleak spoke
Can you live the global
lethal heart
depends
bleak spoke
Without being dispelled
lethal heart
thats on your end a bit
in majority of the cases yes
but if you'r e stupid and you wanna leave right as the tentacles spawn
knowing that you live only if you get super fast dispel
idk, just gotta be smart about it a little bit
its very small but thats how you wipe on that boss
ripe nimbus
u mean u wipe on that boss because it takes 10 years for range to learn how to dodge crushing grasp.
bleak spoke
Useboth
ember rover
For me, stats are so close to each other, that running haste build for Za'qul is actually inting.
Stat's within less than 3% of each other;.
bleak spoke
Man our range can’t even clear the angle the tank has to drag the boss on queens during stand alone
Shit makes me furious
ripe nimbus
oh yah, ours did that too. just run through them and kill them they will eventually learn
valid spoke
@ember rover shouldnt you be running BotE for Za'qul?
ripe nimbus
apparently people dont like dieing
real bay
movement is hard for many range players 
ember rover
If ya wanna pad, ye.
bleak spoke
Yeah I got so toxic in raid last night
real bay
Gotta stand in shit and tunnel
distant lava
@ripe nimbus with my benthics equipped but not in naz I sim 3k lower 
bleak spoke
I think we have it tonight though
cobalt gyro
Careful lettuce i got told i don't have a raid slot anymore for being toxic
bleak spoke
We got to the second set of form ranks
distant lava
toxic NA rogues smh
bleak spoke
I learned everything I know from eu boys
cobalt gyro
Is it really toxic to imply the tanks suck when the boss flies to africa on pull
distant lava
implying it is pussy toxic, they want man toxic
shout at them until you burst one of the veins on your forehead
you can't be benched if you're not in the guild 
cobalt gyro
bleak spoke
man is there an addon that shows the sockets on your gear
bleak spoke
LOL that sounds fun af
lethal heart
ye
distant lava
I do that in pugs, press BF go stand on fire mages
lethal heart
its always good memes
distant lava
you ignite me I kill you
bleak spoke
there are many people i'd like to full kidney
real bay
lmao
bleak spoke
LOL
lethal heart
ye
bleak spoke
TRUE
hollow kelp
do i use the mechagon channel trinket while vendetta or is the dmg not effected by vendetta?
bleak spoke
oh
cobalt gyro
I used to blade flurry in uunat
bleak spoke
that's actual tradegy
distant lava
is it good on monk at least ?
lethal heart
nah
distant lava
ripe nimbus
lookin at ur logs lettuce, i doubt u will get to tonite, the last part of the fight is hectic as fk, and then u get close and realize ur not making the DPS check and have to find ways to optimize dps. but i believe in you guys
bleak spoke
is there ops on it
solid nova
-> #wow-general
lethal heart
doesntr have fury traits
bleak spoke
sorry richard
lethal heart
@solid nova 
solid nova
cobalt gyro
Does anyone else remember launch echoing
lethal heart
but to the original discussion
cobalt gyro
That shit was hilarious
lethal heart
i could see going 'low haste' a thing
for zaqul
as literally most of the fights is you in delirium or you waiting for delirium 😄
but probably doesnt matter much
ember rover
At least on my character, haste is actually super close to other stats, well within 3%.
So with 80% haste, you can guess that it drops like hell.
hollow kelp
do i use the mechagon trinket with the channel red card while vendetta or is the dmg not effected by vendetta?
distant lava
it's not affected
ember rover
Only thing that affects it from what I know is Priest, for some reason.
distant lava
cause apparently haunt and UA work for it 
hollow kelp
aight thx
fast nacelle
only zaqul helmet left 
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/esr8SfVLB46fBnuza784ci
fast nacelle
i got azshara trinket, ashvane trinket, second dagger yday. it was beautiful
distant lava
blackwater might make it higher right ?
lethal heart
i looted 445 socket dagger yesterday and i could trade
and both me and other rogue had 440 offhands with legit same stats
so we're like
ye lets just roll
Sebekxd rolls 10
fast nacelle
dagger with socket - you are cheating
fast nacelle
yeah
fast nacelle
but i think i ll start bonus rolling for trinket sockets
since i think you could easily stick with them next tier
while weapons will be replaced
solid nova
@fast nacelle Grats on the progress
lethal heart
ye
fast nacelle
we had quite a run
fast nacelle
yeah lol
lethal heart
it's insane how strong 1 NP is
fast nacelle
yeah... but you also only want 1
if you can get BI
its like 350 dps difference
1 np 1 bi over 2 np
lethal heart
zaqul helmet is just perfect
its the only piece that you want NP on
but apparently it was over 1k dps upgrade for boomkin
fast nacelle
it really is.. but i sacrificed myself
went for ingi helmet
so all the boomies can get it :(
we had 4 boomkins on azshara
no chance for the zaqul helmet
its not even better for them compared to rogue
if you have the bis shoulders (gorak)
distant lava
tbh OP is pretty god on boomy, specially since you can't have many
fast nacelle
if you compare first boss helmet + gorak with NP
and zaqul helmet and gorak + BI
its easily 900+ dps
(if you have ttk on your chest like me)
lusty narwhal
This game is actually the shittest thing ever
fast nacelle
i know
distant lava
he's a god
fast nacelle
i paid my debts
lethal heart
distant lava
dude I rolled good but I tell you my boomy is paying my debts
lethal heart
ye i did a bit of islands
i got 64 on tuiesday morning form my s woop
and i grinded
summer marten
sanguine monstrosity first try > gorak first try!
lethal heart
~45k ap in islands
into 65 on wednesday reset
with some islands
but that wasnt as hardcore as you
fast nacelle
well i went from 61 1/2 to 65 in one week
lethal heart
ye
fast nacelle
or more like 63 1/2 into 65 with 5h sleep
lethal heart
thats a lot 😄
lethal heart
ye its insane how much more damage you do with 65
distant lava
32h hours of islands
lethal heart
last week on reclear i had 63
distant lava
I just wanted to kms after 2 hours
fast nacelle
i mean i thought its more
distant lava
I mean I'm still 65 so doesn't change much but yeah
@lethal heart I think it was because I was getting closer to my goal
I agree that if you're in the middle of the grind you just keep going
fast nacelle
i giga slacked 8.2 - i went in with 0 ap savings etc
didnt even have charms
i played auto chess during all 8.1.5
lethal heart
i always saved charms
fast nacelle
but then i made quick maff
rabit charms came up and if i wont sleep i can make 65
fast nacelle
yeah mine expired
lethal heart
yee
fast nacelle
on my alt.. 30 days
fast nacelle
i was giga mad... but thats how little i cared about wow
now i prep for 8.3 already so i can gtfo while classic
https://i.imgur.com/dHyDb9Q.png
(beside rustbold... fuck rustbold)
bleak spoke
@distant lava https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9aAiaQGgDfBegPoAUp7773 it's not even that insane
lethal heart
my rustbolt is on 1k/21k 😄
fast nacelle
Dungeon slice
bleak spoke
should probably do 10t60s
lethal heart
@fast nacelle https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/464065018846117899/613867010962489368/unknown.png
rofl
that was
fun one
lethal heart
ye
fast nacelle
fuck you
distant lava
maybe he just linked yours back and you got played
lethal heart
bleak spoke
socketed 
fast nacelle
our second rogue looted 445 with socket last id
but he had 430 without socket
so my 415 wq dagger with socket was better
i was about to cry
lethal heart
man my outlaw
is never gonna get diver's tho
i swear
we got like 4 trinkets this week tho
so i think every caster has the behemoth trinket now xd
distant lava
@bleak spoke you want this bad boi ?
fast nacelle
yikes
distant lava
btw wtf lettuce I thought you had a 445 irontide
strong folio
With 65 traits I see the sin rogues are using vison minor on zaqul. Was that the case before 65 also? Assuming delirium realm job.
distant lava
I think the method rogues ran it yeah
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
teal hatch
!guide
jagged atlas
when doing the Mutilate>Rup>Multilate>Garrote>Vendetta>TB>Vanish opener if I have 5 CP do I still TB or do an evenom before ?
royal lantern
TB
jagged atlas
ty
ripe nimbus
U can run blood/lucid or blood/vision or Vision major/lucid minor on zaqul if u only have 2
strange python
hey guys just wanna ask our cloack of shadow works on azshara punishment ? cause someone fucked my decree and i got 6 stacks of punishment i used cloack and i still took dmg from it
frigid briar
I wouldnt cloak it anyways. Just ask for pain supression.
I think it deals still deal the damage but mages can iceblock it if I remember right
It lasts alot longer than 4 seconds of cloak as well.
upbeat geode
i think you can cloak a part of it
strange python
yeah but i took all the dmg from the beginning to the end of it
so it's maybe a bug
of my cloack
upbeat geode
i only do it of other people also have stacks to help the healers, if its just 2 of you with stacks healers can manage it
i dont remember the dmg ever going trough cloak
strange python
yeah i see but cloack protect us from that spell right ? cause it's magic dmg
just want to see if it's a bug from me
edgy ginkgo
Hey guys, should i Trust my sims and play with harlans over inkpod? Or should i play with inkpod? Everyone is playing with Inkpod and i Never See any assa with harlans 😮
covert crag
Anyone know how to change when in the fight bloodlust occurs in raidbots?
upbeat geode
Lysh, trust the sims
covert crag
Depends if you like the RNG :)
cobalt pelican
bloodlust_time="seconds"
covert crag
Where do I put this
cobalt pelican
advanced sim
covert crag
Thanks
cobalt pelican
anywhere above or below your string should be fine, i don't think you can use it as a part of a top gear sim unless you like
run the top gear sim -> collect the sim input from that sim -> take it to advanced and add the bloodlust line
covert crag
Thank you very much friend :)
edgy ginkgo
Ok, thanks
covert crag
ok I did "bloodlust_time=360" but it gives me BL at 4min 18 sec?
edgy ginkgo
Do you guys use play with deadly+quick navigation or with the new weapon enchant?
covert crag
Personally I use quick deadly
wide delta
does the unshackled paragon chest give pearls?
verbal mantle
nope
lusty narwhal
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
ripe nimbus
@edgy ginkgo sim ur self it depends on stats for me it's quick/force
eternal turtle
alright
jagged atlas
worth going back and forth to dot both bosses on queen's court ?
cobalt pelican
on a 5 minute sim?
hushed arrow
Neantra probably if you have your shadowstep cd so yo udont lose too much dps
Also all about energy/combo management imo?
cobalt pelican
oh if you ran a 6min sim with 5mins being the lust timer you'd need override.bloodlust="1" aswell @covert crag , there's a default that lusts 100 seconds before the fight ends if it's not used already that needs to be disabled
balmy bridge
!help
final dust
?
covert crag
Oh shit thanks @cobalt pelican ❤
no nvm that doesnt work either
its 7min fight and 6 min BL
cobalt pelican
hmhmhm
strange python
Venom Rush any good? (t90 talent)
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
rigid mango
!guide
strange python
Yeah it's fine was just curious
cobalt pelican
it's like equivalent to having a haste gem
it's probably one of the worst talents i think
strange python
Also, if I pop cloak and evasion, what can actually still kill me?
wet ruin
attacks from behind
strange python
Ah of course
strange python
ooh baby
cobalt pelican
random spell effects will kill you too
which ones isn't even categorizable just into 'physical types'
cause it's basically just random
which go through and which don't
verbal slate
so is the trait nothing personl still good? i'm seeing in my sims it's lowering my dps now
hollow junco
it is a good trait, but it was never the best possible
rigid mango
Link sim (:
hollow junco
usually it's good to have one
hollow junco
but stacking more than one isn't usually ideal in sims or in real life
rigid mango
Wot
NP is still an insanely good trait
There are just other ones on the peices that are good, that are slightly better
rigid mango
NP's only beaten by 4 stack loyal and a BBI, other than that it's not realistically beaten
verbal slate
is what i run in raid atm
hollow junco
it sure is, but in most common cases DD , TTK, even loyal to the end are stronger. we are talking about trait comparison in a vacuum though which is not quite fair
should be comparing the whole azerite piece
upbeat geode
Zine what about DD? isnt it also better than NP?
upbeat geode
ok 😄
rigid mango
The only reason cepha is better is because of op
if there was a dd np op chest it would be better
hollow junco
yes,
we are talking about trait comparison in a vacuum though which is not quite fair
should be comparing the whole azerite piece
rigid mango
but there isn't, so blackwater/cepha is better than spymasters
In a vacuum NP might not be the best, but in a raid scenario it's one of the best and msot consistant traits in the game
rigid mango
You're comparing 430 vs 420, and you're running UT on chest which is bad
If goraks was same ilvl as your gold tasseled they'd outsim
rigid mango
What?
rigid mango
Yes, blightborne sims better
verbal slate
that is why i was asking
hollow junco
we must have a communication barrier here because it feels like we're all agreeing but arguing about it
sullen pagoda
U are simming subterfuge only
rigid mango
NP is a constant that will always do that damage, I'd pick NP over BBI on prog unless you need the miracle pulls
verbal slate
in that sim yes
sullen pagoda
And np is 120 dps inc over bbi for me for expample
molten mirage
yeah @hollow junco thats this chat
sudden ocean
Not to mention it feels good to use
molten mirage
folks legit can be saying the same thing and still so toxic it turns into an argument
even though they are agreeing
sudden ocean
If you don't use 1 NP because it feels 
then please don't speak to me
verbal slate
reason i am asking is you can put ved up with PrePot and have opening time. but with NP on it you can't open untill after the pull with it.
shy axle
argueing in the sense of "damn i`ll show that guy that helps everyone and is mostly right that he worded it wrong, suck it pal!"
sullen pagoda
What the fk did u just say gaara
verbal slate
pull timer 10.. at 2 prepot one 1 ved .. open with azrt gurd and open norm rotation. is what iam asking
spice surge
verbal slate
but y'all seem to be trying to pick on me now.
sullen pagoda
U dont do tgat
rigid mango
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
sullen pagoda
Ever
upbeat geode
plz dont open like that
rigid mango
Read the opener in there
silver musk
woah
rigid mango
And that's how you do it correctly 😄
sullen pagoda
U should read a guide and not victimize urself
verbal slate
lmao
thank you people who just said the guide the other people can just shut up. no need to be rude.
i ask to get help not get regged on
scarlet sequoia
hell yeah dude
distant lava
they weren't rude
hazy iron
I mean, they weren’t polite either
rigid mango
???????????
rigid mango
Leave then (:
dapper zodiac
perfect assasination opener guys?
sullen pagoda
People are not putting it on silver platter for me 
molten mirage
just put zine on ignore like i did
sudden ocean
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
molten mirage
and it makes it a much cleaner chat
sudden ocean
@dapper zodiac
sullen pagoda
I have to read a guide before i talkk
sudden ocean
opener is there, check for specific talents
scarlet sequoia
if your definition of toxic is being told something in a not so polite way then you are truly a snowflake
get over it mate
rigid mango
I only talked about traits and relative strenghts and then linked the guide to help the dude
distant lava
Imagine hating on a dude that helps litteraly everyone is here most of the time and does that for free
rigid mango
guess I was giga toxic right there!
dapper zodiac
i dont think that essences are mentioned in the guide
distant lava
cause sometimes you feel offended
sullen pagoda
There should be rule to read a guide before being able to write
verbal slate
so you are saying the guide is the 100% only way to ever do it no mater what
dapper zodiac
so its useless
upbeat geode
idk man, you get straight answers about that you should be doing. and people tell you when you do stuff wrong. best discord so far
verbal slate
no one else can come up with another idea?
stable yarrow
👀
sudden ocean
Chanted, essences are in the pins
rigid mango
@verbal slate Yes, the guide is generally correct 😄
The opener and rotation is correct
verbal slate
okay zine how do you make a guide?
rigid mango
hm?
molten mirage
i never get straight answers @upbeat geode
sullen pagoda
Smh
molten mirage
i get sarcastic retorical questions
atomic willow
if your on add dmg for Orgoza and your using EB to increase your FoK dmg.....is there any worth to also talenting for Crimson Tempest or Hidden Blades?
verbal slate
you try out new things you ask about them and work on them
sullen pagoda
No
rigid mango
yeah but people have simmed everything
And that's the best way
that's why everyone follows it
stuck knoll
No you use sims to determine the best way to play
dark crag
and 
sullen pagoda
upbeat geode
people have spend hours trying everything and simming for the best results, i found its better to follow those results than to question it
atomic willow
why no the adds die to quick for the CT dot to tick all the way down.......I'm talking bout mythic
stuck knoll
Now can we all calm down a bit
CT does less damage than a single gcd of fok with EB
Over it's whole duration
final dust
@atomic willow as sin or Gorgonzola u should be just focusing boss
Unless u wanna parse
rigid mango
Or you need the damage on adds
cobalt pelican
it's good to question things, if you have a real question it can usually be checked fairly easily and give you a concrete answer
dark crag
You spam envenom a lot and boss dmg is more important than some dot that will never tick to its fullest
final dust
I mean if u go sin then u don’t need the dmg on adds
cobalt pelican
but tbh rogue has people checking almost everything always so it's not like super obvious things just fly under the radar
final dust
If u need dmg on add go outlaw
rigid mango
Sin does more add damage tho
stuck knoll
It just does a worse mix of ST and aoe
atomic willow
so just get in that magic spot where i can FoK all the adds and then just pump envenoms into Orgoza.....and I'm beating the outlaw rogue on add dmg currently with FoK and SS
distant lava
I'd argue that outlaw does a lot of ST dmg
cobalt pelican
basically ya, fok as a builder maintain 5 bleeds tb on cd and pump boss
sudden ocean
If you ask a question without checking the pins, ravenholdt, #tc-updates and even a guide like Icy Veins or Wowhead, you're opening yourself up to sarcastic answers, because it's like getting a job at a bread factory and walking in on your first day and saying "How do I make bread?". It shows you've made little to no attempt to gather the necessary information and it naturally annoys the people who can answer more technical or specific questions.
If you do your homework and come in showing you've done a reasonable amount of research and need further clarification, 99.9% of the time you'll get a reasonable answer.
distant lava
like if you go full aoe sin you'll do more on adds than outlaw and less on boss
cobalt pelican
or if you want more ad damage remove the 5 bleed cap and just
bleed everything permanently
final dust
@atomic willow for me when I used foo it was a dps inc overall but a loss to boss dmg
distant lava
and if you go full ST sin a good outlaw will probably beat your ST dmg too
final dust
I also have 3 DD
stuck knoll
Outlaw does the best hybrid of aoe and ST on org
final dust
^^
sudden ocean
stuck knoll
Don't shame parses
rigid mango
dark crag
Prepull vendetta? Is that a joke?
silver musk
dat insta delete tho
bleak spoke
The damage profile favors outlaw too much
keen verge
bleak spoke
Man what
sudden ocean
Impressive reaction time Ronkles
silver musk
giga dps
keen verge
sullen pagoda
What got deleted :pepeclown-1:
cobalt pelican
ya
bleak spoke
cobalt pelican
applied debuffs don't need to do damage to pull
dark crag
Green parses
silver musk
gaara's parses
cobalt pelican
cyber terrorism
distant lava
to go back to the orgozoa stuff
that's dmg to boss of a full ST sin and an outlaw
over 15 wipes
cobalt pelican
outlaw is just the best spec for the fight still if you don't require something specific damage profile wise
distant lava
wdym lettuce
bleak spoke
Gandalf the Grey Parser
cobalt pelican
if you NEED insane add damage for some reason sin is probably the goto
and if you need boss damage sub is gamer
but like
distant lava
nah
cobalt pelican
so few guilds need such specific damage
bleak spoke
Big true big true raz
sullen pagoda
Even insane add dmg outlaw will do more if it focuses it
scarlet sequoia
🤣
upbeat geode
@distant lava sadly no orange wizzards
cobalt pelican
: ' (
bleak spoke
Uh
rigid mango
Sub
scarlet sequoia
what is that @cobalt pelican
round harbor
Sub monkas
scarlet sequoia
a rank 3?
rigid mango
Fairy stop.
scarlet sequoia
lmao
bleak spoke
So you were the 4th best sub rogue on that fight
dark crag
Was scuffed sub with assa gear and was 2nd on boss dps only behind a warri with 65 neck
dark crag
Mastery was low and haste was too high
cobalt pelican
2x loyal is v comfy
and they're like tfd loyal and nv loyal
my set for that fight is actually v good i think i just didn't do anything for overall damage
bleak spoke
Honestly before the tier ends I want to play 3 ss 3 eb on orgo and pad my ass off
bleak spoke
Vanish on add spawns and all
cobalt pelican
i might end up playing eb sob today i'm not sure
if i do it'll solely be because of reforge costs though
distant lava
@bleak spoke play with protocol and iris aswell
bleak spoke
True
cobalt pelican
does anyone actually know if
purification procs on the ads
hit the boss
on orgozoa
it says 8yds but
idk what 8yds means
cobalt pelican
but like the proc itself is aoe right
cobalt pelican
hm
scarlet sequoia
it depends how it works
if its at the edge of the hit box of the boss or not
if it is at the edge then it hits ofc
distant lava
and I can tell you nothing else than my BF hits the adds
cobalt pelican
it's kinda weird cause the boss hitbox is massive and the ad hitbox is tiny so in my head like
ones that proc on the boss
reach the ads
but not the other way around
(or backwards i'm sleepy)
distant lava
I don't think you can hit both no
upbeat geode
Guys im starting on queens court tonight, anyone got some insight about target swapping here?
dark crag
There are times you can
cold rampart
dark crag
sudden ocean
stick with Sim stats
upbeat geode
nope, sim yourself
sudden ocean
@rigid mango sue me
rigid mango
dark crag
Is it what i think it is?
sudden ocean
The best pair of shoulders in the game
cobalt pelican
i've already scrapped two
sudden ocean
I got goraks seconds try so i kept mine
cobalt pelican
i think generally people said ss is probably a minor gain but is a massive pain in the ass
upbeat geode
Shadowordz i wasnt planning to so far, but i can get 1 trait on my current 445 gear, i'd have to check if i can get more of em
eternal turtle
does it actually matter which dagger you put in main/offhand?
dark crag
Highest itemlvl one in mh
tacit spire
which racial is best for sin rogues in M+?
marble elm
There’s also 1 or 2 uses of your cds on queens court where you want dps stopped on one of the bosses
sudden ocean
Please be patient dj I have [Redacted Disorder]
keen verge
@upbeat geode prob with 3x SS will be efective
wet ruin
people might take it out of context though 😄
upbeat geode
ok then im just gonna stick with swapping when i get targeted with "stand alone" untill im used to the fight
final dust
@upbeat geode our kill we had both rouges on range bitch and all other melee on the guy until they swapped to the range bitch
We had 2 warriors and 2 DHs as other melee
upbeat geode
you would only switch when mechanics forced you to move away from the female or near the male one?
final dust
@upbeat geode yea I put in a rupture on giant air shock and then SS back to her
We as rogues were not soaking as well
Cause too far away/ downtime
upbeat geode
i will just tell my RL that the rogue discord told me not to soak, and the discords are always right
keen verge
upbeat geode
so im not gonna swap targets, im just gonna run into the save spot when the male naga casts his "stand near me" thing
summer compass
hey guys yesterday i finally got ashvane trinked, i been looking guides to see how use it but i only found how to use it in single target, i want to know how to use it on mythic+. Do you just use it on every pull? When do i reactivate it? thx in advance!
upbeat geode
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
summer compass
@upbeat geode thx ^^
final dust
@upbeat geode also look over logs to see timing of cds cause@many times ur cds come@up when either u have to run to@melee or run away from range
upbeat geode
ye i'll do that tonight before raid, i also want to see if its a good plan to use claok to ignore a mechanic for dps, like 2nd ring of frost on jaina
@final dust thanks for the help!
final dust
@upbeat geode on one of the cds its right as the stand together Hong happens I use cloak there to stay out and pop cds on girl otherwise u have to wait 20 secs to do it
upbeat geode
would you mind linking me one of your logs so i can check those?
final dust
Yea I fucked up last night didn’t have CDs on pull but still did the same thing
You can just look us up Semantics
Or Fenwig on Mal’ganis
Last week kill was much cleaner
upbeat geode
thanks!
stable yarrow
Mal'ganis 
final dust
@upbeat geode if u have any questions on my logs just pm me
tough dome
if I have right now 2 DD, 2 NP, 1 SS, 1 TTK, 2 OP and I feel like I'm lacking damage in multi target fights should I consider using EB with hidden blades to try and boost the use of FoK? I'd have to swap EB for one of my DD and hidden blades for poison bomb. Not sure if it is worth getting rid of 2 DD - for mythic +
hushed arrow
Dude wtf people complaining
I love this discord
First day I come back to wow I got flamed to death that's what I'm talking about boi it's too entertaining ❤
sudden ocean
Learning through adversity
hushed arrow
Hell yeah and also people know wtf they're talking about so it's good 👍
tough dome
some say salt is the spice of life 😉
hushed arrow
❤
frigid briar
Everything needs seasoning
hushed arrow
It is tbh
Also this is rogue discord, this ain't no fucking panda resto druid discord
🗡
shrewd night
Just stay within the TOS and you wont have any trouble with my dagger appearing in yalls back. 
hushed arrow
keen verge
panda resto druid 
ember rover
You want your rogues to multidot.
frigid briar
Dot dot dot
fathom echo
hey guys Font is 5s before prepull and then on CD right how do i use coral aswell
hushed arrow
Updated SimC usage of Font+Coral for Assa. This change seemed to net solid 0.8-1% gains depending on build and the best I've found so far.
- Use font 4s precombat and after that pretty much on cooldown as long as Vendetta has less than 20s on its cooldown.
- Then, with in-fight Font, the idea is to hold Vendetta(+Vanish) a bit to make it also profit from Coral. It's a gain to hold it until Coral is ready (hence the 20s condition above) but...
- If a Toxic Blade is coming up before Coral (which is the case in default fight timings) it's better to Vendetta right before TB and then use Coral ASAP.
- Summary of example timings: 4s precombat Font, Coral ASAP to start stacking.... Font when ready again at 1:56, Vendetta before next TB around 2:10, Coral into it at 2:16.
dense merlin
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/hWXpVGNjJLHRdqCy#fight=4&type=damage-done
someone can help me to improve? I ran out of potion 😅
hushed arrow
Just pop on second vendetta
fathom echo
ah sorry i just got the trinket 🙂
vernal fern
For m+, should I run a 450 TTK/NP/OP or a 420 EB/TTK/OP ?
edgy nimbus
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fcZ4yFJKzDtX3Hrx/#fight=23&type=damage-done
Guys, how can i improve my log on that fight? I don't understand how beat higher here
distant lava
which rogue are you mate
edgy nimbus
Sry, Лексери
distant lava
np ^^
I'll look throught a bit until someone who knows how to look at sim logs better joins
edgy nimbus
with 44004 dps
edgy nimbus
It sims better than other 😦
rigid mango
Do you have tanks suiciding giving you loyal?
rigid mango
It sims better than NP on helm?
distant lava
he got it twice
rigid mango
Also, you're 3 phasing
Not 2 phasing
Hard to keep up with kill timers that are ~ 2 min faster
Actually, 3 min*
rigid mango
It's fine
distant lava
using TB at 0 cp
distant lava
sorry I'll leave it to you then 
edgy nimbus
I remember that i should use TB by cd
rigid mango
It's like the other opener, old one where u went g mut rup
just he sorta changed it a bit, it's not that big of a diff tbh
distant lava
yeah I know it was the old one but it's a small improvement he can do
rigid mango
If anything, you should mut after rupture
balmy quest
For orgozoa cheese if you're using deeper stratagem should you envenom at 4+ CP or 5+?
rigid mango
Odds are you have no real rotational issue @edgy nimbus Just that your gear might be worse + slower kill timer, that's all
@balmy quest 5+
balmy quest
thanks buddy ❤
vernal fern
Hi, this week I got a pretty meh m+ piece that has NP/TTK/OP at 450, should I run this or EB/TTK/OP ilvl 420 piece I already have ? Im not sure about NP in m+
rigid mango
Sorta depends a bit what your other traits are tbh
vernal fern
I have 1xSS, 2xEB and 1xTTK on other, both 445 pieces
empty mesa
Hey lads. i have been doing real shit on my rogue, and i cant really figure out why with my small brain. could i get someone to look over my ashvane logs?
rigid mango
Link them
rigid mango
@vernal fern Normally I'd say EB, but with your setup I'd just swap them dependant on group tbh
rough yew
What are the 3 az pieces
vernal fern
aye thx
rigid mango
If you need more prio/st go for the NP piece
rough yew
For sin?
rigid mango
Wdym the 3?
rough yew
For raiding BiS
rigid mango
Zaqul - goraks - cephalohide/Blackwater
vapid scarab
your opener is waaaaaay off
rough yew
Ok ty
vapid scarab
@empty mesa
rough yew
Zine
fathom echo
you guys ever have problems when the tank pulls on the opener and you get parried throws me right off
rigid mango
Just stand behind
fathom echo
yeah i need to pop sprint sometimes to chase after the boss to do my opener
stable yarrow
when tb gets parries 
simple meteor
when you vanish and multilate gives 2 combo
edgy nimbus
@rigid mango Thank you very much!
fathom echo
so this opener sound correct: Font> Mut > Rup > Mut > Gar > CLF > Vend > TB> Mut > Vanish> Env
rigid mango
wdym
where's your finisher between first 2 and 3rd
That'll reduce your cp
You're guaranteed a minimum of 4 cp by using mut, garrote and tb
Most likely 5
Muting there is guaranteed overcap 😄
fathom echo
the ravenholdt guide wrong then?
rigid mango
No?
fathom echo
thats what its showing for MA opener
rigid mango
Aight so the guide wasn't entirely wrong
fathom echo
running a quicksim to see what APL for opener is
final dust
If u have to use 2 mut to get 1st rupture
rigid mango
aka you go mut mut rup and so forth
rigid mango
Ok so opener should be this
Mut to 4+
Rupture
Garrote
Vendetta
TB
Mut to 4+
Vanish
Envenom
final dust
No
rigid mango
Yes
hushed arrow
For MA yes
final dust
You want to vanish after ur Tb
fathom echo
yeah you want to get up a 4-5cp and gar then start the vend tb vanish env seq
hushed arrow
No you vanish after
final dust
No ur Mut after Tb is what u said
fathom echo
intetesting this sim follows the mut >rup >mut > gar opener
rigid mango
Because it's correct
But I'm talking if the first mut doesn't crit
I'm confusing my 2 diff messages with eachother trying to talk to guide writer at the same time
fathom echo
so if it doesnt crit you mut x 2
long hill
what's the difference between rupture garrote and not garrote-> rupture for max CP?
fathom echo
if the second crits it doesnt matter if you over cap with tb does it ?
final dust
No
cunning blaze
Do you always vanish after vendetta and tb?
sudden ocean
Just make sure to tb regardless of your cp
Tb in the window is far more important than cp capping
Oh zine said it already
Stop offering good advise zine I HATE it
fast nacelle
grim topaz
!coral
prisma monolithBOT
The way to use coral in M+ is using it on your priority target,
and then whenever that target dies, reapply it to your next target.
Whenever your target dies it gives you the crit it would give from using it,
so consuming the stacks for crit mid pack is generally suboptimal.
rocky ruin
