assassination

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Your raid actually will do more than 10x the ib bleed

[honest needle]

do u guys run DD or NP for m+ on turannical weeks

[rigid mango]

No

[bleak spoke]

Never dd

[stark oxide]

I mean I think regardless of cyclo its better, it dies in a kidney anyway with like 1-2 seconds to spare usually?

[rigid mango]

Both bad

[last ingot]

which dungeons u take blood instead of iris (m+) ?

[honest needle]

or do u still use EB and SS

[rigid mango]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

Np is good in kr and kr only

[rigid mango]

@last ingot every single one

[honest needle]

so we still use SS and EB and twist the knife for M+ even on tyrannical weeks ?

[rigid mango]

I think np has a niche usage as a 1 of in high tyr kr keys

[bleak spoke]

The blood setup in dungeons with sin actually outhits iris yeah

[rigid mango]

possibly ToS too, if you need the galv dps

[bleak spoke]

Possibly tos

[honest needle]

can any 1 confirm what i said ?

[rigid mango]

Yes

You don't use any of the dd np so you go back to standard shit

yeah.

[honest needle]

but isint ss and eb useless on bosses

on tyrannical weeks

[bleak spoke]

@stark oxide yeah it should

[stark oxide]

ss isn't useless on bosses, and you spend half the dungeon killing trash

[rigid mango]

How is SS useless on bosses

[honest needle]

not ss but eb

[rigid mango]

Yeah

but you're till spending a majority of time killing trash

[bleak spoke]

Like if your raid can’t do more than 10x ib dot on the hulk there are problems

[stark oxide]

eb is great on bosses, just pull 2 trash packs into the boss kappa

[rigid mango]

and can pull bigger thanks to not having fort mobs

idk like

[bleak spoke]

No Kappa

[last ingot]

on 2 targets with 2-2-2 do u mut or fok?

[rigid mango]

fok

well, I mut at 1-2 cp and fok at 3 finish at 4+

[bleak spoke]

Having smallies to pseudo sub bosses is nuts

Like fat man in waycrst you can really see the power

[honest needle]

right now i have 1 eb 2 ss and 2 twist the knife do i fok on 2+ or 3 + with 1 eb

[rigid mango]

read.

[honest needle]

3+ right

[bleak spoke]

With any eb in even cleave you fok 2+

[crystal storm]

does garrote always have the same base duration or is it sped up with lust?

[oblique juniper]

guys shall i go with 3 echoed blades and 1 shrouded suffocation or 2 echoed blades and 2 shrouded suffocation? for mythics

[bleak spoke]

With giga prio like fh with Eudora you muti on 2t

[honest needle]

ok so always fok then 2+

got it

[bleak spoke]

Garrote will tick more in lust

[crystal storm]

ty

[bleak spoke]

The damage dynamically updates with haste

When you get more haste you see the base value rise

@oblique juniper hard to say depends on key levels

[topaz frost]

What’s the general consensus on assassination opener now? It was garrote -> Mut, but now I’m seeing Mut from stealth as the preferred opener. Thoughts?

[last ingot]

its probably a stupid question: I usually run 13-15-s. Which dungeons should i push higher on tyr, and which on fortified

[rigid mango]

The one in the guide is the best one @topaz frost

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[topaz frost]

Thanks

@rigid mango

[rigid mango]

😄

[tough dome]

coming back to wow on bfa, trying to gear my sin rouge. If I only have R1 essences and so far I only have CoF, Lucid, Iris, and C&S currently, is Lucid best for major? I find myself using it only to cap out most of the time, only useful if I'm not paying attention to rebuff nrg. I have Lucid - maj /CoF - min and was considering using either Lucid/Iris or swap to Iris/Lucid. Mainly doing low level raids and m+ to try and get my gearscore up.

[rigid mango]

You can easily sim which one is the best single target wise

M+ wise iris + lucid is your best bet, single target is dependant on a lot of factors gear wise

But lucid M + iris m is probably your best bet.

[tough dome]

okay cool thank you @rigid mango

[tropic ocean]

sin not too bad on orgozoa

with eb

[cobalt pelican]

it's p bad imo unless you're like severely lacking classes that actually do that type of damage like spriests

[arctic walrus]

I liked just normal dd build

[cobalt pelican]

ya i think that's the actual way to play

[arctic walrus]

I ran Iris tho

[tropic ocean]

wdym its p bad

its similar to outlaw

[cobalt pelican]

similar overall number at the end of the encounter prolly yea

but outlaws boss/ad split will be significantly better

[honest needle]

does any 1 kno tomorrows affixes for m+

cant find it

[rigid mango]

Ask in #wow-general

[tropic ocean]

idk i did 36k boss

20k add

[desert vault]

hm hmm, what comp to try and get for a KR this week ... need to try and suffer my 14 I guess before reset

[tropic ocean]

what you mean as comp?

as in azerite?

I used 1 eb +ttk+ss for it

[rigid mango]

Hope so, otherwise this convo is going straight to #wow-general city

[tropic ocean]

would even go 3 ss 3 ttk but dont have appropriate pieces

[rigid mango]

Nah fuck that

[tropic ocean]

personally finding that eb has little value in kr

[rigid mango]

1 eb for sure

You're still running high crit

Not running 1 eb makes your aoe genuinly just gone

I think bbi is pretty aight in there 👀

[tropic ocean]

yeah no eb guts aoe but its only 3-4 mobs most of the time

time*

so ss has very very high value

[weary marten]

what do you think about inkpod for MM+ ? i have it 430 or dice 410 or spyglass 410

[rigid mango]

Inkpod probs

[weary marten]

2.6% of my damage overall dungeon, is it enough to keep it ?

[tropic ocean]

spyglass over inkpod for sure

[weary marten]

ok thanks

[oblique juniper]

crit or haste more?

[rigid mango]

Simming.

[oblique juniper]

with raitbots right?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[cobalt pelican]

shadowcraft

[jolly comet]

any ideas on what the best combo for M+ would be for essences. I just hit 65 and am using Purification protocol in the 2nd minor slot with Iris Major and lucid dreams other minor. Ive had some troll groups one shot shit like the turtle mini boss in FH with PP major. Do you think it would be good to use PP major instead of iris?

[rigid mango]

No, I don't think pp is better, bote is the best at r3 granted you want to do the farm

[jolly comet]

oh yea i only have rank 1

bote Major or minor?

[arctic walrus]

iris major pp/lucid minor will work

blood 1 is worth nothing

[jolly comet]

yea i understand bota rank 1 is bad but i was asking if he meant using bote the major or minor slot

[arctic walrus]

if you had blood 3 it'd be your major

[jolly comet]

ah ok thanks

[austere wadi]

When downstairs on Orgo and there are like you know the 7-8 adds up while you burn. Do you think the proxi pots are better than UF for ST dmg on boss?

🤔

[ripe nimbus]

well those adds dont really need to die so prob ST unless u want to pad

[austere wadi]

Yes proxi pots raise primary stat though based on target count near you.

I'm saying would it out scale an unbridled fury

with that many mobs

for your ST on boss

since every other global is practically an envenom

[ripe nimbus]

i doubt it but check other top logs and see what they are using.

[arctic walrus]

You want to pot in top phase anyway to push faster

[bleak spoke]

Not sure it even outscales unbridled with many targets around on st damage

Like it’s better to have the raw stats on cleave

But if you’re playing sin on orgo you’re trying to push the boss

[cobalt pelican]

i don't think that guy has any interest in st damage

he made it p clear he just wants biggest damog

[bleak spoke]

I mean if you’re multidotting and rolling some EBs or something sure it’d be a lot lot better

You’ll smack the adds

But he did say “for st damage on the boss”

[cobalt pelican]

i guess he did

[bleak spoke]

Some pulls I potted proxi but I also played outlaw cuz I was on add duty

[cobalt pelican]

but he's also the guy playing 3eb 2sob so

[bleak spoke]

sob

[rigid mango]

I think 1 sob is aight

[cobalt pelican]

i might try it on reclear just to avoid reforge costs

[rigid mango]

you can get near constant 3-4 ruptures up

[cobalt pelican]

but idk

[bleak spoke]

I mean define constant

[rigid mango]

near

[bleak spoke]

Like you want to funnel boss damage right

[cosmic prism]

eb?

[rigid mango]

Depends on what you're doing really

[bleak spoke]

All those globals you’re rupturing you can env the boss with ttks

[cobalt pelican]

if you're playing that build not rly no like the build has no interest in doing boss damage

[rigid mango]

^

I mean I'm unsure what I'm on for duty next week

[bleak spoke]

If you want to try funnel sin you might as well play like

[rigid mango]

aoe or st

[cobalt pelican]

you drop any spare envenoms into the boss but you don't like play around it

[bleak spoke]

Idk DD TTKs

Maybe like NP TTKs

[cobalt pelican]

funnel sin is just a bad sub rogue on that fight tbh

i doubt there's any gain st over playing just regular st assasination

[bleak spoke]

It’s not necessarily horrible with enough crit probably

Like if you can get 3+ cp from every fok

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gYyW9Hh3t4syaJxZkysfs8/simc

this was the best meme build

i could come up with

[bleak spoke]

You’re rolling a garrote and rupture on the boss every time right

[cobalt pelican]

that didn't include purification rank3 minor

[bleak spoke]

So you probably do something like

[rigid mango]

Fucking meme

[bleak spoke]

1 rupture, garrote an add and then funnel

[arctic walrus]

I played sob on cabal

[civic palm]

o _o

[bleak spoke]

I blame omr for sob memes on cabal

[rigid mango]

sob was funny

I used it on the basis of reforging being too high

[bleak spoke]

Like but that fights you could always roll at least 2 ruptures right

[rigid mango]

3

[bleak spoke]

And at that point it’s equal to tc

[rigid mango]

Pretty much

[rigid mango]

Since you always had the add to dot too

[arctic walrus]

cabal kill

hehe

[rigid mango]

2 scent

ok

chill.

[civic palm]

That's intentional shitbaggery.

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Violation on the Play

20 DKP minus

[bleak spoke]

I mean if you could roll 3 ruptures then you theoretically get more than if you played a tc in that slot

[hushed arrow]

Hey why don't you like stacking NP's for ST?

[arctic walrus]

I would've gotten rank 1 if guild had let me get debuff for the last 30s of the fight smh

y'all doubt

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[bleak spoke]

I’m not doubting

[cobalt pelican]

you don't dislike it it's just

like

[rigid mango]

NP just isn't as good as other traits

that simple

[bleak spoke]

It’s just very specific

[rigid mango]

bbi is better, loyal is beter

[cobalt pelican]

with 2 rings you need to find pieces that have good traits in both rings and a good 3rd ring

[rigid mango]

There's no reason to take more than 1 NP if you're optimising gear, really

It's not bad, it's just not as good

[cobalt pelican]

it'd appear a lot more if it was on pieces of gear like

[civic palm]

There's also not much of it on the easily attained gear.

[cobalt pelican]

let's say radiance shoulders were np loyal unstable

people would just have it

because it's still fine

but it's not there it's literally only on the zaq helm and like.. the ttk np shoulders whereeever those are from

i forgot the boss

[bleak spoke]

Blackwater chest is np ttk op

And it sims better than ceph for me

[hushed arrow]

Ah I see so it's better to stack DD's and TTKs? 🤔

[cobalt pelican]

blackwater is ttk loyal op isn't it

[bleak spoke]

Oh

[cobalt pelican]

or ttk ss op

[bleak spoke]

Loyal*

[cobalt pelican]

but if np appeared on that piece it'd show up a lot more it's the same thing rly

np just isn't on that much playable gear

dd is the most easily 'stackable' trait

because it's very good by itself

and also appears on many pieces of gear

with a good 2nd trait

and overwhelming power

[rigid mango]

It's just not on optimal pieces

last season, had there been dd np op ches tit woulda been better

[bleak spoke]

Currently I’m at 2 ttk 1 np blight 1 dd loyal

[rigid mango]

and this season, I think it'd be BiS too

I'm at uh

[bleak spoke]

Dd np op chest would be large and in charge

[rigid mango]

2 dd 1 ttk swirl np loyal

It would just be BiS, probably

[bleak spoke]

Man you have the temple helm

[rigid mango]

I do

[vast forum]

i think loyal sims higher than NP now tho (beyond first stack) if you have 4 or more allies

and is far better in cases of people dying

[bleak spoke]

That’s the only head piece that sims better than mine for me

Though zaqul helmet beats it very slightly

[vast forum]

i'm still hoping to get 2xDD 3xloyal ttk and have a raid dedicated to dying for my damage

[rigid mango]

Yes yoppa

we do that in a month

just wait

[vast forum]

we gotta kill za'qul first

[rigid mango]

That's true

[hushed arrow]

[rigid mango]

[vast forum]

and then somehow get people willing to sacrifice

[rigid mango]

hm

I think on blackwater it's pretty easily doable with good step + cloaks

[hushed arrow]

Funnel strategy weSmart

[bleak spoke]

Just make the mechanically challenged players wear loyal

[rigid mango]

target people out and kill them

[vast forum]

we can just ask our guildies to play their usual game 😄

[rigid mango]

I mean that's too many lettuce

[bleak spoke]

Lool

I wish loyal’s conditional wasn’t so janky

[rigid mango]

I just wish it wasn't 20yds for death one

So our ranged could sucide in my range instead

[cobalt pelican]

it'd be kinda nice if the mastery was a timeless buff

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

idk why it's not

seems so pointless

[civic palm]

o _o

[rigid mango]

It might just be my sin mindset, but it being 15 and not 20 sec is slightly annoying to me too

But it might just be my inner PERFECT ALIGNMENT

[vale quest]

whats better iris/lucid or iris/pp for m+

[rigid mango]

First probably

[pliant sorrel]

so i just farmed BOTE rank 3, but it seems stat weights and sims gear towards CLF and haste? or am i missing something with my BOTE

also dont have ashvane trinket

[vale quest]

i got 40k/50k from mostly losing this week it went pretty fast w/ merc

was surprised

[ripe nimbus]

losing????

[vale quest]

now i just need a island

yes i have bad rng w/ queues

[pliant sorrel]

i lost with merc and without merc

shit scuked

[cobalt pelican]

clf beats bote in pretty much every gear setup

[vale quest]

lol

[cobalt pelican]

except like super fringe cases

[rigid mango]

losing? what's that?

[cobalt pelican]

(for raiding)

[vale quest]

i dont have a premade

[pliant sorrel]

@cobalt pelican thanks, that's what i figured, it's too bad, it's a fun essence, think it maybe just an outlaw essence for m+

[vale quest]

still it went fast, i even skipped a few days

[pliant sorrel]

probably not even that

seems like CLF just scales with haste? so everyone is clf/lucid/iris?

sad

clf so boring but so broken

[ripe nimbus]

its the same as all the other ones.. push button

and do ur thing

[pliant sorrel]

yea but bote lines up with every vendetta

[vale quest]

isn't rank 3 1.5min

[pliant sorrel]

wait nvm

thought it was 2 min

yeah its 1.5

[vale quest]

is bote major ever good in m+

[rigid mango]

It's the best

[vale quest]

o snap, nice

[rigid mango]

In like, literally ev ery scenario I think

[pliant sorrel]

yeah, pretty much just a m+ essence it seems

[ripe nimbus]

you use it on Mythic zaqul and orgo

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how it's 2nd BiS, also used in 2 raidfights and'll probably be used on farm for some fights

[calm hatch]

evening assassins 😄 just got my bote rank 3 as well and was wondering what would the proper usage in m+ be on aoe, i always open up with garrotes due to subterfuge and ss traits, put some ruptures for energy and then use bote with fok (eb)
but then i am unsure whether to spam fok only for crits, or to use envenoms on full cps for envenom crit due to TTK?
my essences are 2EB, 2SS and 2TTK, so that makes me unsure on how to use it properly on majority of mobs

[brisk frost]

its best major on zaqul and a must have on azshara

[rigid mango]

I don't really think so

Wdym must have on azshara

[calm hatch]

saw the pinned message here but it's for MA talent

[quasi pewter]

must have on azshara

[rigid mango]

Please, repeat that

[ripe nimbus]

[arctic walrus]

what's a must have

[rigid mango]

Bote

[static glacier]

@calm hatch too many variables unknown, depends on number of enemies, how long they'll survive for, are there any priority targets, what classes are you playing with, what's your gear like.

[pliant sorrel]

hmmm im super casual this tier so i just killed ashvane last day, so i'll have to look at logs, didnt even think to look at different fights

thanks

[rigid mango]

[ripe nimbus]

im not sure about using it on farm.. most farm bosses are like sub 3 minute which makes CLF even better.. and the longer ones are still longer then 6 min so u will get 2 CLF.. would have to be like a 5 min fight.

[pliant sorrel]

last raid day*

[arctic walrus]

Hol' up

[rigid mango]

Yeah dude, you need bote as @brisk frost says

why did u not use it on ur kill vel

[pliant sorrel]

was just tryin to see if there was something im missing that made BOTE best for patchwerk but i guess not

[rigid mango]

not really, it's better on some fights, but generally worse than CLF on pure ST

[pliant sorrel]

gotcha thanks

[calm hatch]

for aoe i mean 5+ mobs on a 17 key for example

with the priority target then i'd go for envenom

[rigid mango]

Yes

[arctic walrus]

rock boi just better in my situation

[ripe nimbus]

azerite boi* azerite isnt rock u fool.

[rigid mango]

Think you mean fwiend

[civic palm]

He's a MINERAL.

[arctic walrus]

if I had rank 4 he'd be a rock boi

rock friend*

[sour wasp]

you're a mineral

[rigid mango]

HE'S MY FRIEND

[civic palm]

heckye

[rigid mango]

That was not the right emote

There we go.

[ripe nimbus]

azerite is actually the blood of azeroth.. UR ALL WRONG!

[quasi pewter]

blood boi

[meager nebula]

[rigid mango]

Don't u cop us

[arctic walrus]

@arctic walrus

[rigid mango]

I've got great ones they're just bannable

[civic palm]

No

[rigid mango]

[arctic walrus]

You guys just have folders full of anime and kpop stars

[civic palm]

Also you all keep this up and you're gonna get banned anyway.

[rigid mango]

Hey man, I have a healthy obsession with kpop

before mr cop man comes run away #off-topic

[ripe nimbus]

👉 🚪

[meager nebula]

[rigid mango]

[sour wasp]

ok ok

guys how to use coral?

[rigid mango]

Everytime.

[civic palm]

[rigid mango]

Dumbass.

[ripe nimbus]

@civic palm

instead of using the emote imma just tag mizerok

[sour wasp]

whenever we go off topic i just ask that

[rigid mango]

I bet he'll love that.

[ripe nimbus]

thats what u get for having checkthepins in ur name

[civic palm]

THAT'S HARASSMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT.

[arctic walrus]

I have 18% haste in my m+ set

[cobalt pelican]

very fast.

[rigid mango]

👉 🚪

Fucking raiders amirite

smh

[cobalt pelican]

more haste = quicker dungeon because you are very hasty

ez keys

[rigid mango]

more speed = speedier keys

[civic palm]

22% haste O _O

[rigid mango]

Speed

[civic palm]

speedier

[cobalt pelican]

tru

i need a

haste speed set

[ripe nimbus]

i have 100% outlaw in my M+ set.

[arctic walrus]

I swtiched my rings and I'm down to 10%

[civic palm]

grats

[rigid mango]

[versed palm]

re: coral usage - when pairing with inkpod, is it best activated just before 30% health so the ink hits while the coral crit buff is up?

sry late to the coral game - just finally dropped for me

[rigid mango]

Yes

[versed palm]

ty

[urban ember]

quick quetions, if you have 5cp and your toxic blade is on cd, do you use it first or envonon?

[fleet whale]

BoTE sims less for me compared to lucid, by like 500 dps

[rigid mango]

@urban ember tb on cd

Regardless of cp

[urban ember]

ok tnx, was a bit confused on wasting the cp on it or not

[prisma breach]

hey guys this might be a realy dumb yestion but should i wait untill my envenom fully falls off before i use another one? or use one as as as i hit 4-5 CP

[civic palm]

https://www.wowhead.com/assassination-rogue-rotation-guide

[arctic walrus]

Good luck tonight @marble elm

[ancient fiber]

hello

how is assa in pve and pvp?

Im back after 2 years break and I really liked this spec in legion

[balmy quest]

yes

[ancient fiber]

lul

[fleet whale]

it's really strong in pvp and the best spec for boss damage in pve

[placid mulch]

out of curiousity, how much difference do you guys get from your best raid gear (benthicc) st vs non raid gear st?

[civic palm]

Many thousands.

[cobalt pelican]

ya like 2.5-3k i think

[drifting cloud]

sounds about right, maybe slightly less vs baseline mythic

but still above 2k

[civic palm]

+Crit from boots varies depending on your item level as well, but not by MUCH.

[cobalt pelican]

surprisingly not that much for me

but i have 455 socketed wrists, 440 socketed gloves belt and boots

so i guess that's somethin

[drifting cloud]

well obviously 😄

just the sockets alone are 1k

I guess the 10ilvl above mythic on bracers is less than 100 dps

it would be over 2k if you compared to 445

[cobalt pelican]

ya easily baseline gear

i just have really lucky (?????) offset pieces

idk if it's lucky to have shit i never use but

ya

just the wrists 455 socketed to oris is 263 dps loss : ' (

[civic palm]

Yeah I've 430+ boots/belt/bracers but only 1 is socketed I think.,

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6QUqqqms5iiksoyKbd4gVn

should give a reasonable idea of the bare minimums you'd be expecting, i don't think most people have the offset pieces i have

[placid mulch]

yeah fair enough, its like a 2k jump for me, but I've only got sockets on my boots and socketless 450 bracers / 440 gloves and no alternative boots

no alt belt*

43k in non raid to 45k in benthic, ilvl 437 / 434

[vale quest]

Are wavebreaker bindings any good

[cobalt pelican]

not particularly

[verbal slate]

so for the aoe build in M+ would mastry be more needed? for the bleeds / posin dmg?

[drifting cloud]

crit then mastery

[safe sluice]

3ss + 1 EB (lower ilvl pcs) or 2SS + 2EB (higher ilvl pcs) for M+?

[potent rune]

So I dont have azerit armor with "sharpened blades" but yet i have the buff everytime i auto. How is this possible?

[civic palm]

Because I think you have mistaken one thing for another.

[potent rune]

i just came back a couple days ago and have no idea what are the rogue changes

last time i remember it was a azerite trait

is sharpened blades baked into our class kit now?

cant find it anywhere in the spell book either

[quasi ledge]

It does not exist

[potent rune]

then why do i have the buff everytime i auto?

[distant lava]

do you have a screenshot

of that buff

[potent rune]

sec

[fallow otter]

i feel like you are talking about some buff you get while doing WQ in certain zones, cant remember where

otherwise i remember it being a sub trait?

but my memory is kinda dogshit so its probably best to ignore all that

[fallow otter]

deadly navigation is your weapon enchant

[potent rune]

see the buff is there and look at mt azerite gear, i dont have it here

[distant lava]

that's your weapon enchant dude

[potent rune]

o

lol

[fallow otter]

deadly = crit

[quasi ledge]

It literally doesn't say Sharpened Blades

[distant lava]

it's called deadly navigation not sharpened blades wtf

[potent rune]

im a fuking idiot

lol ty guys

[civic palm]

o _o

[fallow otter]

wait hang on there is a sharpened blades icon?

with 30 stacks?

[potent rune]

sec

[distant lava]

wait there is

[fallow otter]

throw a dagger

see if it drops

[potent rune]

it does drop

[distant lava]

did it do

bonus dmg

[potent rune]

if i use poinsed knifwe

[fallow otter]

ya

unequip and re equip your azerite imo

[quasi ledge]

Never log out and get a free trait

[fallow otter]

hahaha

true

[potent rune]

look it says sharpened blades

[quasi ledge]

Pretty weird!

[distant lava]

maybe it's bugged cause you had it in your azerite

[potent rune]

so i have a bugged free azerite trait that doesnt exists anymore? lol

[distant lava]

and you never changed it

[fallow otter]

it also means, your current azerite might not be working

[quasi ledge]

Surely you've replaced the azerite since you stopped during Uldir or whenever it was though

If you're 414

Bugged WQ piece that used to have it maybe

[potent rune]

i dont have any azerite gear with that trait

yet im still getting the buff

[fallow otter]

have you unequipped and re-equipped?

[potent rune]

nope

[fallow otter]

i would

my guess is your current azerite isnt even working

[potent rune]

if im gettinga free buff, should i even do it? lol

[quasi ledge]

Is it even working though?

I doubt it is

[potent rune]

let me check

[distant lava]

says 0 in your screenshot

[potent rune]

nope its not working

0 stack and 30 stacks are like only 20dmg difference

i unequipped, relogged, reloading ui and still getting the bugged buff, think ill report it

[quasi ledge]

Looked like one of your azerite pieces is from a WQ (chest?). Maybe just bugged from when it used to have the trait

[potent rune]

gonan put in a ticket ty guys, really appreciated it

[median sand]

Has anyone compared haste red card vs cyclotronic blast?

[fallow otter]

anything other than cyclo is junk

sadly

[median sand]

😦 I'm rocking a 432 cyclo rn and thought the haste proc could be pretty juicy

[sudden ocean]

and like 90% of people have yeeted the cyclo by this point in the tier

[median sand]

I'm 0/1000000 for coral and have a normal font in mythic prog :/

[hasty fiber]

hello, so my guild is currently on mythic orgozoa with my guild and i was wondering if outlaw is still viable or 3x echoing blades and 3x shrouded suff build is better for org

[fallow otter]

i used outlaw

[quasi ledge]

The difference is actually having boss damage vs essentially padding on adds

[fallow otter]

if you prefer sub you can look @ playing sub also - we used a sub rogue

[hasty fiber]

so we have 2 fury warriors and 1 fire mage, not sure if i should be rerolling outlaw after those huge nerfs

[drifting cloud]

we cant really know how your add dmg is

[hasty fiber]

we havent fought orgozoa yet though so that might let me practice a few pulls and stuff

[drifting cloud]

but the hardest part of the fight is 60-40% so every little bit of boss dmg helps

[hasty fiber]

so would you say the double dose build would be better for that fight or should i do a multidot build?

[quasi ledge]

For prog go either normal Assass build for boss damage, or if adds aren't dying, go Outlaw

[drifting cloud]

even the multidot build can go full meme or just semi meme

[hasty fiber]

even after the nerfs go outlaw?

[drifting cloud]

if you check the top pad logs some of them have a boss dps difference of like 10k

do you have shadow priests?

[fallow otter]

outlaw ST is still good on that fight, all while cleaving the adds the whole time - depends on your raid comp and how the adds are going down

[hasty fiber]

we have 1 but hes currently benched haha

[fallow otter]

better get him off the bench for court

🙂

be prepared for some melee benchings

[crystal pilot]

so, i'm currently using a single SS and subterfuge, my opener is usuallly gar -> rup -> gar -> vend -> TB -> envenom

i'm curious if anyone has any experience running MA instead of Subterfuge, I want to try the mutilate opener but I'm not sure it is worth if i have a SS trait

[hasty fiber]

MA is only worth if you have 2-3 double dose imo

but lets say youre sitting at 2 dd and 1 ss

id say stick to subterfuge

[crystal pilot]

thats exactly what i have, actually

[hasty fiber]

its not a huge dps loss with subterfuge maybe only like 400 dps at most

[crystal pilot]

running subterfuge is wonky though, it makes vanish and vendetta's cooldowns unsync unless you're not popping vendetta on pull

thats why i was wanting to try MA

[hasty fiber]

you can go for it just open with garrote since you have 1 ss

tbh youll be getting the same amount of combo points with ma

[visual quartz]

being able to play both openers is a prety good idea though

[fallow otter]

can you drop SS for a different trait?

[balmy quest]

I'd sim yourself and check if there isn't an option on your azerite gear where MA is stronger. You'll likely switch to it later because SS is less common on higher level azerite gear.
The MA opener is super simple and the cooldowns lining up feels really good, works well.

[crystal pilot]

the two choices i have on my chest are SS or meticulous scheming

from what I understand, meti is really bad and hardly ever procs

i take that back, my shoulder has meticulous

my chest has filthy transfusion, which is really bad

[balmy quest]

It is bad but have you simmed both combinations to see how they compare? Because MA is a bit stronger** so it might offset some of the difference

[fallow otter]

i havent been SS/sub since it got nerfed

MA 4 lyfe

[crystal pilot]

I'm simming it rn

the sim is taking ages

i'll post when done

LOL, sim says to replace SS

[balmy quest]

not surprised

MA is good

easy to play too

[vale quest]

i feel subterfute is easier

[crystal pilot]

ss/sbt is a very easy opener

[visual quartz]

I was simming higher with 1SS and subt like 3 days ago...now MA is back to top. didnt change a piece of gear lol

MA is more fun except when ya miss crits, then its sad 😦

[lusty narwhal]

So torn on whether to save for specific piece or just yolo roll for goraks

[arctic walrus]

Save for guranteed gorak for farm content, or gamble it for progression

It's worth to gamble

[lusty narwhal]

Ye thats what Im thinking

Just so gutted every time I dont get it hahah

Took me so many tries last tier

[fallow otter]

considering you get 10k back its not too bad

and you get gear for other specs

gear from raid isnt bad so not the end of the world

[shy dust]

You think it’s worth to gamble if you’re still progressing on bosses Vel?

[halcyon skiff]

is it still BIS to go for benthic hands boots ?

[fallow otter]

sim you comparison gear but most of the time its safe to say yes

[arctic walrus]

You can gamble it and have it tomorrow, or wait what like 2 months? for it to drop

200k can get you 4 gambles too, and you can technically scrap those for a 5th roll

[marble elm]

Gamble is worth if you could potentially get the item during progress

[shy dust]

Yeah my friends been trying to convince me to save but I’m just thinking it’d be best to gamble continually

[marble elm]

Saving could be better long term but you’re kinda griefing if you aren’t gambling

[ruby idol]

Its something like almost a 70% chance to get the item you want by gambling with the amount of res youd have to save up

[arctic walrus]

Any good prog tonight

[marble elm]

Yea we had some p4 pulls but the 2nd add seemed to be bugged

Spear kept happening before the shield so it was just a wipe

Other guilds seemingly having the same problem

[arctic walrus]

Oh yeah we had that a few times

[marble elm]

It happened a lot tonight

Like 10 pulls in a row

[arctic walrus]

I think it has to do with pushing first add fast? never really looked into it

[shy dust]

Aight well gotta pray for Gorak Tuls tomorrow

[marble elm]

Pretty sure the rune hotfix also affected mythic

[halcyon skiff]

how much resi do u get for a 445 piece

[arctic walrus]

10k

[marble elm]

I don’t think first add timing has to do with it @arctic walrus because it’s entirely based on the myrmidon

you could one hit the 1st add after the shield breaks but you wouldn’t be able to do anything to the 2nd one until the next spear anyway

[arctic walrus]

Yeah I don't know, it just felt like that to me at least

I think the spear can interrupt during the cast as well though yea?

[marble elm]

No

That was the problem

She was mid shield when the spear threw

So it shielded and the spear missed

[arctic walrus]

Oh darn

It didn't happen often for us, but it did happen

It was just a dead pull though, sucked

[marble elm]

Yeah it started happening like halfway through the night and we ended up just stopping like 20 mins early

Because it was so often

Never seen it before tonight

[arctic walrus]

Yeah at most it was like 0-2 time a night

[severe bough]

3 TTK/ 1 SS/ 1 Eb / 1 eng trait, would be good for a 15 UR this week?

[rigid mango]

2/2/2 is like, perfect in UR

[severe bough]

oh, 2/2/2?

i actually have the traits to do that

One second.

oh wait

[rigid mango]

Yah, 2 ss is really good thanks to pull count

Rest are sorta self explanatory

[arctic walrus]

He's awake

[rigid mango]

And I want to

[sudden ocean]

Awake but at what cost

[severe bough]

@rigid mango ty

gonna start in a minute

[sudden ocean]

@rigid mango thoughts on Blood Rite on Org, adds die so consistently I had great uptime

[rigid mango]

Haste is pretty garbo since you have near perma bleeds

I mean, I suppose more bleed damage, but I'd rather just get crit or some shit

[balmy quest]

How do you go about figuring out what combo is good for what dungo each week? I know some dungeons like KR the pulls are much smaller so EB falls off but how do you factor that with fort/tyran/teeming or is it really a practice and figure it out kinda thing?

[sudden ocean]

trial and error

[cobalt gyro]

Lots and lots of runs

[balmy quest]

Bummer. I don't have the traits to experiment with different combos enough 😦

[severe bough]

@rigid mango extremely clean run

ez

[rigid mango]

[digital shore]

Rotation question. Say I have 9s left on Rupture and Toxic Blade just came off cooldown. The guide says to always use in on cooldown. Say I have 3 CP. Do I

1. Mutilate, Rupture, Toxic Blade, Mutilate, etc
2. Toxic Blade, Envenom, etc and refresh Rupture after TB window when it has likely fallen off 1-3s.
3. Toxic Blade, Envenom, etc and refresh Rupture during TB window
4. Wait a few seconds so I can pandemic Rupture and then go in TB window
5. Something else?

[rigid mango]

3

It's a dps loss to refresh early, the ebst way to do it is simply just refreshing bleeds in tb window

[sick edge]

Guys quick one hopefully. Does anyone know if loyal to the end assumes someone’s death with the simulation or does it only take into account the increased mastery? Mana figure out if the only reason it is so strong is because it assumes someone with it dies and you get the extra stats...

[rigid mango]

It doesn't assume anyone's death

Afaik

Would be sorta stupid if it did.

[sick edge]

I’m hoping that’s the case! Thanks

[digital shore]

Thanks for the answer Zine

[icy ember]

so w/font and coral, I am effectively waiting 10s into combat before popping vendetta?

[ember rover]

On pull, no, you don't do that since you don't have Coral stacks.

But every other vendetta AFTER the pull, you do that, yes.

From what I know, though, you want to delay vendetta even more.

Since right now the value of Coral > Value of Font during vendetta.

So you want to overlap them as much as you can, with Coral being more valuable.

[rigid mango]

You delay so you cast font 14 sec pre vend

coral 6 sec into vend

Getting 14 sec of both inside of vend

[ember rover]

What he said.

[rigid mango]

It's in #tc-updates

[sudden ocean]

[hushed arrow]

Sorry I'm a bit confused now. So if heroic is popped, you still wait for your vendetta in opener?

So that you can get 20s of coral, then pop vend?

[rigid mango]

Heroic is popped?

[hushed arrow]

Bl

[rigid mango]

Like adrian said, you don't delay first one

[hushed arrow]

Okay thanks!

Yeah it's always second right cause then you would have more coral stacks

More value

[rigid mango]

Any past 1st one

You do the same thing

[hushed arrow]

Yep thanks 👍

[simple meteor]

on 2nd vendetta i pop font trinket and after 20 sec i use 2nd vendetta so i can have font and coral together? do i delay 2nd so much or?

[rigid mango]

Literally waht we've just talked about

read through the convo, if you don't understand something, read #tc-updates and if you still don't get it, ask me again 😄

[simple meteor]

i see just scrolled up nice to know got 99% hc logs with out even doing hope I can get a 100%

[rigid mango]

Hc logs

[simple meteor]

i am casual ofc

[rigid mango]

But still manages to log flex

[simple meteor]

yeah need a bit of fun on hc farm something to do get a boring after some weeks

[ember rover]

Nothing wrong with HC logs.

I bet you big gold that some people tryhard more on HC than on mythic 😄

[sullen pagoda]

Hc :dansgame:

[royal lantern]

most people on mythic actually try too go for the kill

HC is padding time

[vocal kelp]

Used to do normal log runs where everyone pretty much got 100% during antorus, was very satisfying with everything 99/100% accross normal/hc/mythic

[placid mulch]

Need them lfr logs

For the full yahtzee

[undone sandal]

Isn't it possible to use Galecallers Boon and Ashvanes Razor Coral together?

[royal lantern]

active trinkets have a 20sec cd with eachother

[undone sandal]

Ah, is there any guide on the correct way of usiing Ashvanes?

[royal lantern]

and tbh, galecallers is a big simtrap anyway

[undone sandal]

And is it any good in m+?

[rigid mango]

Yes

Probably best on use

[undone sandal]

Always on use, no matter how many stacks?

[rigid mango]

In what, m+?

[pseudo hamlet]

Undulating tides sims higher than NP for me, it's a bug?

[scarlet sequoia]

no its a really good trait

[rigid mango]

No, it's just simbait

[scarlet sequoia]

you should take it

[rigid mango]

Raz

Don't take UT, if you ever drop sub 50% you get locked out of the damage part for 45 seconds

[pseudo hamlet]

Ah, okay. Thanks.

[rigid mango]

Which you will/should for most forms of content quite often

So, it's garbage.

[winter moss]

raz with the jebait

[ember rover]

UT is so trash. I had 20% uptime on ashvane with it. Actual trash.

[scarlet sequoia]

wild speculation here

ashvane is probably the worst boss for it

[ember rover]

Most likely is ye.

You drop to 50% almost every 30s.

[winter moss]

sims do not account for incoming dmg

just play better

[ember rover]

Bubbles are every 30s.

When she exposed.

[royal lantern]

i would say radiance is even worse

[ember rover]

But ye, we derail. UT is absolute trash.

[winter moss]

do we tho?

[rigid mango]

On radiance you can feint tho

unsure if I drop sub 50% without it, tbh

[distant lava]

@scarlet sequoia ashavane and orgozoa with UT yikes

[royal lantern]

how much energy would you waste by using feint on EVERY.SINGLE.CAST

[scarlet sequoia]

UT on anything 😬

[royal lantern]

nobody asked the sim padder

[distant lava]

for heroic parses raz

[scarlet sequoia]

what the hell do u mean tryan

my sim is perfectly legit

[royal lantern]

ye, ofc, but UT is just too boost sims^^

[scarlet sequoia]

nobody uses it so whats your point

[undone sandal]

Benthic gear, is it worth without gem?

[royal lantern]

no

[shut garnet]

but is benthic gear with a gem worth it

if it isnt the BiS one

[spare dust]

Go for bis ffs. Why would you drop 200-300+ pearls on nonbis xD

[dense parcel]

I'm using 3 SS and 3TTK atm in m+ would it be recommended to slot a Eb in there? Seems perfect on openers for me

[shut garnet]

@spare dust because if you've already used 200-300 and you havent got the bis boots, but you have the bis hands + belt + grips you start to wonder why not just upgrade those to 425 instead :p

[spare dust]

Never stop

Get a few friends for ritualustic token opening

Suicidal sacrifices, aura mastery worked for my gloves

[blazing kayak]

425 socketed benethic piece is equal to what ilvl?

[shut garnet]

500

[distant lava]

some probably beat up to 450 / 455 with socket

just sim it

[blazing kayak]

How many pearls does it cost to upgrade a benethic piece fully? I have bis boots bracers gloves all socketed just sitting in my bags at 385. Didn’t think I’d ever rlly raid

But now I am, so I needa upgrade ig Zzz

[shut garnet]

whats the most optimal trait build for raid ST assuming your essences are r3 and you're playing it perfectly

[young portal]

@shut garnet it took me 199 attempts to get bis boots with socket, I also have 455 crit haste gloves with socket from UR and peons benthic with socket sim better. Dont dump your Pearl's into shit benthic, it's worth the grind

Not UR, waycrest apologies

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah i have been done

[signal summit]

raz ur 65 yet ?

[rigid mango]

He is

[signal summit]

nice

we got the exact same gear

except he got 1 more socket than me

how much did 3rd essence give u in increase?

[cobalt pelican]

i too have the exact same gear as raz

[rigid mango]

Same

[cobalt pelican]

except in normal raid ilvl :')

[signal summit]

i actually have the exact same except i got pufferfish bracers instead of ori and 1 less socket on back but back is 445 instead

but zaqul head instead of pvp etc

[scarlet sequoia]

im getting 455 weapon tomorrow, just wait

[signal summit]

same -.-

zaqul head and his head is exactly the same just different names?

[winter moss]

#wow-general

[bright smelt]

worth trying to get both benthic belts with socket would you say? The one that deals dmg in general+thread and the one that deals extra dmg to abberations

currently have the one that deals extra dmg to abbs with socket on 425 and cant decide if i wanna gamble for the second one or not

[winter moss]

well the abb one is good for 2 bosses in ep

the otherone is a bit weaker and good for everyboss

but both get outsimmed by 445 socket with decent stats

[cobalt pelican]

415 abb socketed belt vs vs 425 vims socketed belt is still like +300dps on 4t for me but it's a lil wonky depending on what spec you plan to play

cause the sim seems to vastly overestimate vims damage on 4t fights in general anyway

[bright smelt]

general idea I get is that it doesn't seem worth it

[cobalt pelican]

prolly worth getting solely for zaq tho

[bright smelt]

@winter moss any idea how much value the effect on gloves have roughly? In ilvls or something

[cobalt pelican]

cause it's a boss you might be on for a while and have responsibility to pumper

[bright smelt]

it's the abberation belt I have, not the other one

[winter moss]

i can tell you that 450 crit haste hands are simming lower

for me

[bright smelt]

compared to 425s with socket?

[winter moss]

420

[bright smelt]

much difference or?

[simple meteor]

what people play as 3rd essence for m plus? played blood of enemy/lucid/purification protocol and protocol did 3m 4% on motherload 17 you think guys its worth?

[cobalt pelican]

i posted this last night which was just all my best offset pieces vs benthic: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6QUqqqms5iiksoyKbd4gVn

and i have pretty good offset pieces

[winter moss]

ceph

[bright smelt]

don't got those wrists either, only have the pufferfish ones

not sure how much difference there is between the 2

[cobalt pelican]

0.1% in sim prolly

if you still don't even have the damage belt or gloves no reason to fish for wrists again

[bright smelt]

will prolly fish for hands then

[cobalt pelican]

belt is the easiest to get by far but ya

[bright smelt]

considering I have 440 vers/mast hands

[cobalt pelican]

ah

guess it's fine to decide based on what piece you have in that slot already

consider that the azshara gloves are p okay at 430 though too

they're not as good as poens unless they socket/etc but ya

[bright smelt]

3 gloves in I get a socket

REEE

this gambling shit makes me wanna kms

[hushed arrow]

[wary ice]

is teeming fortified enough reason to consider Crimson Tempest yet?

[rigid mango]

Enough to consider 3 eb

CT isn't really there yet, I don't think

[small thicket]

@bright smelt tell me about it I've got belt so far dont know how many pairs of fucjing boots I've bought

[wary ice]

Too bad :^(

[shadow zealot]

Do ppl not run 3x eb anyway?

[rigid mango]

2 is more fitting this season

[bright smelt]

yes they very much do

[wary ice]

on hard Tyr weeks i run 2

[bright smelt]

depending on dungeons

[rigid mango]

I don't run 3 unless fh/ml

[wary ice]

2/2/2 or 2/3/1 eb/ss/ttk depending on dungeon

[winter moss]

*ttk

[wary ice]

shhhhh

[rigid mango]

3 eb 2ttk/ss 1 ttk/ss for fh/ml, 2/2/2 in general, 3 ss 2ttk 1 eb for ToS/kr, 3ttk 2 eb 1 ss for bolst weeks

Probs more I've forgotten, tbh

[wary ice]

THats assuming 450's across right?

[supple monolith]

guys how much rating you need to be to take 5 things for the conflict and strike?

[rigid mango]

Nah, traits > trait ilvl

@supple monolith ask in #wow-general

[shadow zealot]

Ttk?

[wary ice]

really? for how much? I've been hamstrining myself to 430+s

(twist the knife)

[shadow zealot]

Ah

[rigid mango]

I run 1-2 420's dependant on what traits I need

[distant lava]

@supple monolith 5 things in the chest is 1.6k rating

[lost tree]

finally its over

[bright smelt]

gz

[wary ice]

gz!

[scarlet sequoia]

almost there on alt

[wary ice]

also thank you Zine! I have some sims to run i guess

[rigid mango]

Sims are bad for m+

[wary ice]

:^(

[rigid mango]

There's no way to accuratly sim m+

[wary ice]

I have some random 10 pug keys to burn then

[bright smelt]

@lost tree I feel ya though, was worth to do it this week

[rigid mango]

I think I undervalued the diff between iris and blood too

[wary ice]

also isnt Honor acount wide @scarlet sequoia?

[bright smelt]

did this yday

[rigid mango]

It isn't.

[lost tree]

@bright smelt

[rigid mango]

Not the achi anyways

[wary ice]

Weird

[ember rover]

@bright smelt that's the most underwhelming Rank 4 ever.

[wary ice]

I thought that was the whole point of the honor changes this exp

[bright smelt]

it is yes

[lost tree]

@scarlet sequoia you are a weird man to do it on alt aswell

[bright smelt]

I could barely notice the diff

[ember rover]

I got it a few weeks ago and I cried when I realized I wasted dozens of hours for NOTHING.

[scarlet sequoia]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid mango]

Google

[bright smelt]

I mean it looks like an orb explosion now

instead of a flat one

[rigid mango]

This is what a damaged man looks like

Just look at Raz.

[lost tree]

already did a Month ago?! wtf raz

[bright smelt]

https://www.wowhead.com/news=292702/azerite-essence-rank-4-legendary-cosmetic-effects

for anyone that's curious

[lost tree]

Purification Protocol is just Iris in Vertical or vica versa

[distant lava]

although

purification it waaaaay more light

it's closer to the ghuun beam I feel like

[bright smelt]

anyone trying for Azeroth's Champion title?

[lost tree]

is bote for assa in m+ worth or stick to beam?

[rigid mango]

Sooner or later

[bright smelt]

@rigid mango I hereby declare you a neckbeard

[rigid mango]

Ok so from my feely feelies of using bote today

Bote is such a huge step over iris

it's not even funny

Wdym neckbeard

[bright smelt]

getting all rank 4's

is oof

[rigid mango]

bote is just so fucking good, idk, nothing compares I don't think

[tropic ocean]

pretty easy on a class that only has dps spec

[rigid mango]

^

I honestly think bote is miles ahead of iris, but feelies

Can't honestly say I see a scenario where iris is better

[bright smelt]

bote must scale pretty nicely with 3 eb aswell

[rigid mango]

3

It does good deeps with 2, yeah

[lost tree]

i have 1

[bright smelt]

same, only one

[lost tree]

but 3 SS so i dont care

[bright smelt]

but on 445 pistoleer shoulders so its ttk/ss on outer ring and eb on inner, so it's pagchop shoudlers

[rigid mango]

3 SS 🤢

[distant lava]

scales good with 3 aces too, wait wrong channel

[cold patio]

got 3ss/3eb on m+ gear bit miles away from bote r3^^

[rigid mango]

max trolling again

[random furnace]

Hello Team, I am having some issues with my DPS post 8.2 and can't figure out what is happening (not really good at reading logs)

First, I noticed that there was a rotation change for "Master Assassin" build, I was using the old one, will correct this moving forward, however in regards to the rotation. Once I complete the rotation as listed in the guide, I then go for 4+ refresh on Garrote and Rupture, correct? Do I at any point go back to repeat the rotation in the guide? (IE , Mutilate, Rupture, Mutilate, Garrote)

My last logs from Heroic

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6Wv7MDqaPKGdC2ty/

One thing I noticed, I would burst DPS at the start and be towards the top of the meter and then it would start dropping. At one point, I was just above the tanks…. Even though I was keeping Rupture, Garrote, Toxic Blade and Vendetta on cooldowns….

In regards to gear. I’ve been using raidbots to get my stat weights and track top gear. I don’t know if I am messing this up, however it seems odd that its telling me to stack more Mastery….

https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/character/us/thrall/shadowlex

I just want to be better at Sin! Any help is appreciated!!! Thanks

[distant lava]

me ? no I wouldn't, it's an honest mistake

[solid nova]

Yeah, Dont.

[lost tree]

my irontide got SS and EB 1. Ring should i do 2 EB 2SS 1ttk 1 blightborne then?^^

[bright smelt]

should scrap waycrest shoulders

theyre total poo

I swears

[lost tree]

sure i will do that brb

[solid nova]

@bright smelt Take the shit out the spec channel

[vestal wren]

#off-topic

[lost tree]

where do i get this myth+ Sim from? fightstyle change thingy

[fervent jasper]

Can anyone give me some tips on pooling energy properly? Mostly during boss fights in keys when I'm low haste. I think I'm doing it wrong

[rigid mango]

You uh

Don't press buttons

[fervent jasper]

Thanks

[vapid scarab]

if you aren't in a damage window (TB, vend) you can literally just sit until almost capping energy before casting envenom

without losing anything

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you're attacking, have bleeds and aren't overcapping

You're not losing dps

Play around EP and TB windows.

[fervent jasper]

So just mutilate until 4 or 5 combo points and wait to either refresh rupture or garrote, envenom when about to energy cap, and then just wait on TB/vend?

[brave halo]

its more like preplanning what youre going to be doing

~6-8 sec to env coming up and you are eng starved?

is your garrote falling off? do you have cp? how long on rupt?

[rigid mango]

I mean, you're making it out to be really complicated

whilst it really isn't

[tropic ocean]

keep bleeds up

[rigid mango]

if rup/garrote are inside of pandemic, press teh button

[tropic ocean]

Dont overcap

Afk till tb up

Repeat

[bright smelt]

@rigid mango it might seem complicated at first but once you got a hang of it it just comes naturally really

[rigid mango]

If you have nothing else to do, pool and get envenoms inside EP/TB

It's never complicated, reallly

It's literally just not pressing buttons as soon as you can

[fervent jasper]

If TB comes off CD and rupture has like 6 seconds on it, would you press TB and envenom or refresh rupture first, rebuild CPs with TB off CD, pool, TB then envenom?

[tropic ocean]

Refresh first

[rigid mango]

You tb and refresh after

[tropic ocean]

Oh nvm

[rigid mango]

TB on cd, refresh inside tb.

[tropic ocean]

Read wrong

[hollow junco]

when rupture is at ~9-10s you should already be thinking about how and when you're going to refresh it, because you're only a few GCDs away from its optimal pandemic

[tropic ocean]

read it as tb comes off in 6s

[fervent jasper]

Oh ok I've been trying to only ever use envenom with my CPs inside TB

[tropic ocean]

you should

[radiant python]

My biggest thing is I see top parsers are using specific traits even when iLvl 400. I sim myself with optimal traits and then with the higher iLvl gear with less optimal traits and it always chooses the higher iLvl gear. I also have 440 Harlans/Galecallers Boon which is puts above my 430 Inkpod even though I see most high level rogues using Inkpod.

[tropic ocean]

But theres occasions where you will need to refreh during tb

And thats ok

[vapid scarab]

@random furnace you missed 4 casts of TB, 4 casts of vanish which is HUGE, undulating tides is a trap sim trait, garrote and rupture dropped multiple times on the boss, wasting a few CP, you also cast poisoned knife 6 times and fok 12, with DD and no EB like you have fok isn't worth casting until 5+ targets

[hollow junco]

eternius, inkpod is more valuable in certain real life encounters (hi, ashvane) than sims indicate, which is part of the reason why that is

[rigid mango]

@radiant python follow sims.

[hollow junco]

but outside of those few situations (ASHVANE), go with the sim

[radiant python]

Thank you

[tropic ocean]

im pretty sure these rogues just use their best pieces

unless its complete shit traits suboptimal 445 is usually better than optimal 430

[steep obsidian]

my sim doesn't even seem to pool

spam dem buttons

i do have a fair bit of haste though

[radiant python]

I still seem to parse like shit on a few bosses

I've combed over my logs and I don't really see what I'm doing wrong

[hollow junco]

which bosses?

[rigid mango]

Link them

[lost tree]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/91BLkLfftJCszXe3xNeHDu
the moment when you have to wear a Ilvl 415 BLue Ring

[radiant python]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/byZpMhLv32c7JVD4#fight=28&type=damage-done&source=35

that was mythic 1st boss last week

[random furnace]

@vapid scarab Taking notes of this!

[rigid mango]

Your azerite is very meh

CLF usage is incorrect

http://prntscr.com/ov5kca

3x muti which is big bad

[lost tree]

sim telling me to only run 1 SS its weird ._.

[radiant python]

Am I just wasting CP?

[rigid mango]

You are.

[radiant python]

I could use better azerite traits but they are like iLvl 415 and they sim lower

[steep obsidian]

whats weird about that? SS is just ok not op

[random furnace]

@vapid scarab I believe the times that garrote & rupture dropped from boss, was when I broke off to kill the adds.

[rigid mango]

It's probably a mix of lack of good gear + minor rotational errors

[vapid scarab]

you can still keep dots up on the boss

[radiant python]

@zine thank you

[vapid scarab]

refresh slightly early if you have to

[lost tree]

Sadbod my Garrotes was all dungeons ive run by far top dmg ._. feels weirtd to get rid of 2 traits

[radiant python]

@rigid mango what is the correct CLF usage?

[rigid mango]

Should be in pins

[radiant python]

okay ill check thanks

[hollow junco]

looks like he hit it on CD, which is fine especially if you're not confident in boss timings

if he had held it for 3rd vendetta it would have been slightly better but I can understand not being sure if the boss will last long enough to get full value

[dark crag]

Ofcourse garrote is good dmg with ss when you can stealth between each packs

[brave halo]

not in the openner though, wasted two tb gcds (talking about clf usage)

[dark crag]

But in a boss fight you get vanish every 2mins

[crystal storm]

when is the correct timing to use blood of the enemy? with shrouded suffocation traits.

[radiant python]

Also should I spend all of my CP before using TB? WoW Analyzer doesn't like that I use it before a max CP envenom to save GCD.

[dark crag]

Wowanalyzer is not really optimized

[brittle zenith]

My sim is kinda depressing atm

[dark crag]

Wasting that tb cp is ok when you follow tb with a envenom when you don't cap energy

[steep obsidian]

time to llook at some neck level 65 logs i guess

blergh

[rigid mango]

@radiant python wowanalzyer isn't supported for sin, I'd advise against usiong it

[radiant python]

Alrighty, thank you

[lost tree]

how you guys do it with the enchants for M+ and Raid. Need Quick for Raid and Deadly in M+ or you just ignoring it?

[radiant python]

Depends what Raidbots says

I run outlaw for M+ personally

[steep obsidian]

offhand dps doesn't really matter could just run a different offhand fordungeons if you want to

i dont min max that much in m+ though personally

[lost tree]

i would have 430 weap instead of 440 so i could use it i guess

[steep obsidian]

as far as that far anyway

i use a 430 socketed offhand over a 440 because the it sims better for me

[brittle zenith]

realms are taking longer than usual to come back up 😦

[lost tree]

imagine having reset day

[brittle zenith]

I just started my island expos 15mins before restarts lol

[lost tree]

are sims right with Bote? sims so shit

[steep obsidian]

i mean id assume so?

its hard to beat clf and lucid combo they are both stupid strong

[lost tree]

going more towards memebeam and M+ 🙂

[steep obsidian]

play outlaw then 😛