assassination

[rigid mango]

@opaque stump pins my dude

[bleak spoke]

Like 2 eb 2 ss hit harder on trash in burst and sustain than 3 ace brigands blightborne deeper outlaw

30 ilevel sunset

Under

What a weird autocorrect

[rigid mango]

Yeah I'm unsure what I'll run ngl

My azerite is si fucked

[bleak spoke]

Like if I had 3 eb 3 ss I’d play that in underrot and shrine most likely

[grand matrix]

u think it's better to have 2 Eb and 2 SS instead of 3 EB with 1 SS ?

[bleak spoke]

I don’t like 3 eb

[opaque stump]

ty @rigid mango

[bleak spoke]

I think it takes a lot of the choice you have out of the rotation

[grand matrix]

why u don't like 3 eb ? 😮

[bleak spoke]

And locks your damage to even cleave

[cobalt gyro]

because with 3 eb it's so high damage per cast you're basically required to fok

vs being able to mut low target counts for prio damage

[rigid mango]

I think 3 eb is really good for fh and ml

rest it's just suboptimal, imo

[bleak spoke]

For freehold I can’t see a world I don’t play outlaw

Cuz of the way you have to control the mobs

[rigid mango]

Yeh fair

[bleak spoke]

Same with waycrest

[cobalt gyro]

ur a better outlaw than me so if someone was gonna play sin there it'd probably be me

[bleak spoke]

It feels really bad to play outlaw right now though

[cobalt gyro]

yes

outlaw control is insane, tho

[bleak spoke]

Like you do the same things with the same buffs on the same packs and your dps is 60k lower and you’re like huh

[cobalt gyro]

just crit more

[rigid mango]

I'm gonna have to try out keys v bonkles again

and see what our diff is now post nerf

I wasn't far from him pre nerf

[cobalt gyro]

there's this DH i was consistently out damaging in our keys (16-20's)

after nerf i don't even get close

[bleak spoke]

That’s the thing prenerf if you played sin on literally the highest level you were even on overall and smashed on prio and st

[rigid mango]

I could keep up to outlaws damage wise

[drifting cloud]

odowla you got bote now right

[rigid mango]

but I always felt so fucked control wise

[drifting cloud]

you think its way better than iris?

[rigid mango]

Bote is better than iris for sure

[cobalt gyro]

i think it's worth having

[rigid mango]

Unless teeming I don't see iris being better realistically

[bleak spoke]

For sin bote puts you so far ahead compared to iris it’s hilarious

On your rotation

[rigid mango]

It's stupid good

[umbral mauve]

What essences u play in m+ now as assa at 65?

[drifting cloud]

yeah I know its better, I just didnt have it so no clue how big the difference would be

[rigid mango]

Bote is just insanely good for ST too

Considerable

[bleak spoke]

At 65 I’ll probably play lucid purification minors

[rigid mango]

^

[cobalt gyro]

sin has a burst window where u can actually make bote do something

compared to outlaw where ur burst is

"oh shit a 5"

[bleak spoke]

Your burst on outlaw is fitting 2 btes into blood

Like

[drifting cloud]

wait what does sin even do with bote

[rigid mango]

Spin.

[drifting cloud]

just fok or what

[bleak spoke]

You have full cp bte off cd and you bank an opp proc

[cobalt gyro]

i mean you dump the shit out of envs

[rigid mango]

You fok and pump prio

It's really good for both

[bleak spoke]

You set up with g g g r vanish g g g and then bote and fok for 9 globals

[rigid mango]

I want to see bote + tb + vend + 2/3ttk prio damage

dude honestly

That'll be so nuts

[bleak spoke]

For maximum throughput

[cobalt gyro]

imagine the eviscerate envenom crits

[rigid mango]

I normally g g g r fok for dp application

[bleak spoke]

Lmao if any pack survives that in a key that’s lower than 19

[drifting cloud]

I see, gonna give it a try now

[rigid mango]

I normally save vanish for utility + damage tbh

[drifting cloud]

or well, now as in next time I do a key which could be in 2 days

[cobalt gyro]

just be alliance

open with

ggg

ggg

ggg

[bleak spoke]

Nice energy idiot

There’s no way you don’t starve between 4th and 5th global without a lucid proc

[rigid mango]

Dude I might swapto nelf just for m+

[cobalt gyro]

problem with being nelf in m+ is

you'll solo cheese mechanics

but u won't do any strats that abuse meld

[bleak spoke]

I mean dps can be your strat to abuse meld on ally

Like

Being able to vanish twice on aoe is very damage

[cobalt gyro]

did u know if you meld rezan's fixate

it doesn't matterwho it's on, meld works

[bleak spoke]

Man what that’s literally like the arena glitch

Where when someone vanished you can insta restealth

Lool

[cobalt gyro]

on the healer? you can meld for them

on the tank? meld

etc

[bleak spoke]

That’s kinda dumb

[cobalt gyro]

imagine with 4 melds

and 2 rogues

[bleak spoke]

Man if I were ally I would never play anything but sin

That’s actually too much damage

[cobalt gyro]

hard part of meld into garrotes though is you have to be careful

meld doesn't count as "stealth" to give you subt

so you need to meld > stealth

[bleak spoke]

I mean it’s off global right

[cobalt gyro]

ya but like, literally anything will put you in combat again so you can't stealth

[bleak spoke]

Tbf van is the most mechanically overturned spell known to man

So meld not being that good makes sense kinda

[icy ember]

shadowmeld

[cobalt gyro]

it's good

its just the alliance debuff

[icy ember]

idk im hord

e

[cobalt gyro]

i was ally

[stark oxide]

if I increase my agi by 30% is that effectively a 30% increase in damage?

[icy ember]

i'm not sure what you mean

[stark oxide]

a proc that gives 30% of my current agi

[icy ember]

what proc

[stark oxide]

a trinket

[icy ember]

from which trinket? font?

[stark oxide]

yea

[icy ember]

nah it just increase you agi by 30%

or w/e the agi is

2900 or w/e

if you have a heroic font, which im guessing you do

[stark oxide]

yeah

but like

30% more agi theoretically is a 30% damage increase

[icy ember]

WDYM

i'm genuinely interested to hear this

[stark oxide]

i just mean while its up

[icy ember]

2900 agi doesn't equal 30% damage increase

i'm not sure w/e realm you're in

the shadow realm

where numbers magically equal percentages

[real bay]

check your stat weights and do maffffs

[stark oxide]

it appears to be 27%

just going off of tooltips

I dont understand what's so hard for you to understand about the question tho

[drifting cloud]

well he said no

whats hard to understand about that

[stark oxide]

he didnt even understand the question lol

[drifting cloud]

take your agi stat weight x 2.9k and /sim dps

and you get a rough number

depending on what you sim should be around 15-20% range

pure st that is, agi loses alot of value on aoe and such

or well, secondary stats gain it I guess

[rigid coral]

@stark oxide

[cunning blaze]

z

[cosmic prism]

anyone know a quick way to check how many loyal to the end traits there are in a raid?

[stark oxide]

Details or Exorsus raid tools have raid inspect which should show that assuming they both were updated to show traits, i havent looked myself for that purpose

There is probably a weak aura out there too

[vast forum]

i just unequip my loyal piece and compare my mastery value but that's probably not the most efficient way

[cosmic prism]

big brain

[sly marlin]

would any high teir rogues be interested in looking at some of my logs n tell me where they think my leak is?

[tropic ocean]

just link ur log here

[upbeat geode]

Guys what professions would you recommend for raid, i was thinking of engi for the helm

[final dust]

@upbeat geode I am currently engineer/lw for helm and crafted gear can also go JC to get rings but much more expensive than lw

[cobalt pelican]

jc/lw is the best long term

engi is ok if you're really lowgear/don't have zaq helm

[bleak spoke]

There’s like 2 Residuum helmets that beat engi helm for me as well

[crimson condor]

sim saying coral is 1.2k dps increase over spyglass in M+ -> not sure I could use it that efficiently compared to the pure passive spyglass. would you guys do it? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tuVZi8WrNJtKcEsCJWNzeB

[bright smelt]

doing random +1x key and a wild cape appears

[dark crag]

You press it and when the mob dies you get the crit

[bright smelt]

there goes my luck for the rest of the tier

[junior flume]

When are you guys using the coral proc when running font as well? Last half of the second vendetta seems to be when it all works out for me, timings wise, curious if that's just me though 🙂

I have, but that's not really what I asked 😄

[arctic walrus]

k #tc-updates

[junior flume]

Look man, I've already read it. It talks about using font on cd with ven on les that 20sec cd. Doesn't answer when you guys end up triggering coral

[crimson condor]

i give up on asking questions here - nothing but saltiness

if everything is already answered then why have a discussion forum

[junior flume]

Well no, there's tons of useful answers really

[cobalt pelican]

the paragraph in the tc channel pretty much covers the two situations

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/otvmfn

Idk

[cobalt pelican]

either tb went on cd just before vendetta, in which case you'll use coral the global you activate vendetta

or tb comes up earlier, and you use coral like usually halfway into vendetta

[junior flume]

I keep wanting to hold TB but not sure if it's worth it in the long run

[cobalt pelican]

it's not

[junior flume]

And I guess it does, just didn't really read it right I suppose. Thanks though 🙂

[rigid mango]

Aslong as you get full tb inside of vend + font

ur fine

[strange python]

What azerite are people using in dungeons like AD this week? Can't seem to find an effective combo.

[modest tendon]

2/2/2

[junior flume]

If you don't get TB for vend application, do you save vanish? I use vanish with vend every time to keep them aligned

[cobalt pelican]

it's pretty hard to not get the tb in the vendetta window if you're following the rules like

[junior flume]

Oh yea for sure, i just mean if you pair vend with vanish even if tb isn't quite ready yet

[cobalt pelican]

vendetta ends up being delayed for coral if tb is on cd anyway

and the majority of that time is the tb cd

well, tb is a 30% buff and vendetta is a 30% buff, but vendetta is guaranteed to apply to all damage instances during the window

so i'd guess it's better to use it during vanish than hold it for a tb outside vend

so if for some neverlucky reason you env mut for 2cp and end up having to mut again the damage amp of vend will apply to the mutilate damage at the very minimum

[junior flume]

Yea that's what I thought, plus you'll have coral to make up for the lack of MA buff

[cobalt pelican]

though that's purely theoretical and should never actually happen in reality

[hushed arrow]

Hello fellow assassins, simming this in the dungeon BETA sim: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7M6LUouZW8Db6q2mVx8nHC

Anything I could improve?

[cobalt pelican]

small improvements across the board really

lack of enchants, aim to get a spyglass or something potentially, replace teh crithaste ring

azerite is mostly fine

[junior flume]

Anyways, thanks Nameless and Zine. Sorry that I didn't pick properly on the tc paragraph

[rigid mango]

😄

[cobalt patio]

So how should I go about simming top gear for azerite traits to suit M+?

Dungeon slice?

[cobalt pelican]

most people just avoid it

[hushed arrow]

@cobalt pelican Thanks, a spyglass? Is that a trinket?

[rigid mango]

Dungeonslice is a fuckfest alone, even more so for sin

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, it's a crit proc trinket from siege of boralus

[hushed arrow]

Ohh right

[cobalt patio]

Damn it. Then how do I go about choosing which traits for keys then?

[cobalt pelican]

a lot of your offset pieces could have better stats but like, those are things you'll just naturally get over time

[rigid mango]

You just sorta, know(?)

[cobalt patio]

Brand new when it comes to sin rogue

[rigid mango]

Any mix of eb/ttk/ss is good

[modest tendon]

Bigger pulls more eb,

[junior flume]

For m+ I sim short fights with 4 'bosses". Is that totally unreasonable?

[rigid mango]

It's aight

but nothing sims accuratly as to a dungeon

Nor realistically what you want to bring either

[cobalt pelican]

any kind of sim is fine as long as you understand what you're simming and how it applies to the real world

[modest tendon]

If your tank wants to chain pull go more ttk than ss

[cobalt patio]

So prioritise those 3 traits over everything else?

[rigid mango]

Yep

You need a minimum of one ss and eb to even play the spec in m+

imo.

[hushed arrow]

I have a dumb question, why can't I restealth sometimes when I shadowmeld?

I have dots on?

[rigid mango]

Bosses

[cobalt pelican]

boss combat doesn't let you stealth in both dungeons and raids

sometimes meld is kinda shitty even outside of that though

[rigid mango]

You can do it on trash without any issue though

[hushed arrow]

But adds works?

[cobalt patio]

Hmm okay, if I have to choose either or from those 3, what's the general rule of thumb?

[hushed arrow]

Ohh okay thanks a lot

[cobalt pelican]

like combat gets reapplied instantly sometimes but that's mostly just a shitshoot

[rigid mango]

UHh

[hushed arrow]

I am running 3ss/1eb/2ttk for my part.

[rigid mango]

2/2/2 is a good all round setup

always works

[modest tendon]

Just get 2/2/2 dude

[rigid mango]

I don't like 3 ss nor do I like 1 eb

Unless KR

[cobalt patio]

Aye sounds simple enough

[rigid mango]

That's the optimal KR setup, maybe ToS too

[hushed arrow]

I simmed the 2/2/2 and the sim told me to go for 3/1/2 so 😄

[cobalt patio]

I'll just go with 2/2/2 if possible and will pick things up from there

SS means swirling sands right?

[hushed arrow]

Since garrote will be the top damage anyway in overall dps

[modest tendon]

I would recommend 3ss/3eb on lower keys though like sub 15s let’s say

[hushed arrow]

Shrouded suffocation

[cobalt patio]

OH

Dont have any pieces with that trait...

[rigid mango]

You need one

like, NEED need

[cobalt patio]

To do reasonably well in keys?

[rigid mango]

For this spec to function

[cobalt patio]

Damn

[wet ruin]

assasin dungeon slice is kinda scuffed though

[cobalt patio]

Got it

[cobalt pelican]

if you don't have any you'll end up playing like

ma eb

[cobalt patio]

Thanks a ton for the help

[cobalt pelican]

heheheh

surprise i'm fokking

[hushed arrow]

So I should always prioritise shadowmeld before vanishing vs trash aye?

[rigid mango]

Sin is awkward in that sense, it's very needy when it comes to gearing

[cobalt pelican]

yeah probably

[rigid mango]

Yeah

Vanish is better than meld

So you just use meld first always

[hushed arrow]

I mean I wanna have a vanish vs a tyrannical boss, is what I mean right

[cobalt pelican]

meld still applies the shrouded damage amplification to bosses

even though you cna't stealth during it

you just don't get the subterfuge bonus

so it's still strictly worse than vanish, but can be used on a boss if you really want to

[hushed arrow]

Oh? all I want is the SS garrote tbh, just the damage buff

[cobalt pelican]

yeah so on a boss if you really want to you can just like

[hushed arrow]

Reapply a buffed garrote

in a vendetta window

[cobalt pelican]

opener -> garrotes fall -> vanish garrotes -> garrotes fall -> meld garrote (weaker than vanish garrote)

[rigid mango]

Aye that's the way to do it

That's a like

60s burst window

[dapper plover]

night elfs

[rigid mango]

[royal lantern]

[strange python]

Best minor traits for m+ in order?

[hushed arrow]

Lucid dreams is by far the best no?

I need confirmation from the sin mains

[scarlet sequoia]

yes use lucid dreams major

[steady owl]

You mean minor right?

[dapper plover]

major

for raids

[obtuse ruin]

how did you guys farm honor for bote?

[junior flume]

Major for raids is CLF, no?

with lucid minor

[polar cape]

2 bg a day keeps the doc away

[rigid mango]

@dapper plover wdym

[dapper plover]

or bote r3

or clf r3

[steady owl]

Can you give some examples off sim bait? Right now on dungeon slice I sim highest with 3 ss 1 Blightborne, 1dd and a ttk, if I switch one ss with an eb I do 1k less on dungeon slice and on patchwerk. 2/2/2 makes me sim less even on both but I’m also lower item level then

Should I always trust the sims?

[rigid mango]

Sims are really bad for dungeons

[steady owl]

I suppose I just have to try it out in practice

[rigid mango]

DD is really bad

2/2/2 if you've got it, always works

[candid jasper]

what essences are people using for m+?

[rigid mango]

Blood/iris + lucid

[candid jasper]

blood as major?

[rigid mango]

Yep

[candid jasper]

I see

I've seen a lot of people using iris in the major

[rigid mango]

Mostly because it's easier to get

[cobalt pelican]

ya iris is like a freebie that everyone has and it's pretty playable for the most part it's just awkward and one dimensional

[candid jasper]

ah cool

is stacking crit still the way to go?

[vapid scarab]

[cobalt pelican]

p much ya

[cobalt patio]

For benthic gears, what's the priority for which pieces to aim for (gamble) first?

Also, would it be better to pool mana pearls into getting said piece to max ilvl then work on another, or get them all equally to a point, for example 425?

[turbid ruin]

I think 420 and going for boots first AFAIK

[cobalt pelican]

boots > wrists > gloves > belt (probably) power wise but belt > boots > gloves > wrists in terms of roll%

[cobalt patio]

Whatcha mean roll%?

[cobalt pelican]

you can stop at 415 or 420 temporarily on any items and it's fine, they'll still be better than your other gear (unless you have really good pieces in that slot)

there's 2belts 4boots 5gloves 6wrists

so while wrists are better than the boots

they're also harder to obtain

i guess if you factor in puffers they're probably fine to roll but eh

[cobalt patio]

Ahh makes sense

[prime geode]

for aoe is puffer or the instant bracers better ?

[hoary crown]

So guys, how did it turn out in the end ? assa or outlaw for m+ ?

[vapid scarab]

yes

[modest tendon]

Outlaw still best

[vapid scarab]

no

[modest tendon]

What are they taking into mdi?

[vapid scarab]

MDI is not pushing, MDI is speedrunning low keys

nobody is going to change their entire strategy either for a meta that still hasn't been properly evaluated

[modest tendon]

But most high keys are being done on outlaw right?

[strange python]

does a 430 crush give 10k resid or was that 445s that do that?

[deft magnet]

430 is 2k from scapping

They only cost 9k

[vapid scarab]

again, it's been less than a week since outlaw was nerfed, outlaw is far easier to play and gear for, give the meta time to actually form

[strange python]

oh yea lol

from what i hear outlaw is still good you just for sure need the right traits

[vapid scarab]

outlaw is very much a comfort pick atm

[modest tendon]

I reckon the only thing that will change is no more rogue stacking or at least 1 outlaw and 1 assa or something like that

It still has the best utility

[strange python]

it will still be triple rogue or rogue rogue ww i cant really see why you would take anything else

resetting the beguings with vanish and shroud and all that

[modest tendon]

Sasquatch is right in that we need to wait for the meta to settle first

[lean wing]

what talents you run as assa for ranked PVP and what azerite neckle traits ? im trying to get into the 1800 bracket

[modest tendon]

Go to pvp channel

[lean wing]

sorry to ask here. im a PVEr myself

😛

[modest tendon]

I don’t know anything about pvp 😛 I can’t help lol

[lean wing]

no worry. me too 😄

[vapid scarab]

if only there were a guide for pvp somewhere....

[lean wing]

but i like from time to time some pew pew

[modest tendon]

I got r3 blood at that’s my yearly pvp done

[restive trail]

for m+ setup if current pieces cant get 2/2/2 is priority SS>EB>TTK?

[modest tendon]

Almost started enjoying it towards the end too... almost

[bleak spoke]

Actually relatable

[modest tendon]

Not quite, get 1 ss, 1 eb and just stack whatever you have until you can choose

[bleak spoke]

Like 45k honor in I really felt like I was killing tons of people and I barely died at all

But since 50k I haven’t been in a bg

[modest tendon]

Pvp is fun no doubt, I just find m+ more fun so why would I do pvp, there are better pvp games out there anyway so why would I do it in wow, that’s my reasoning anyway

[bleak spoke]

My issue is how different the game feels pvping

[modest tendon]

I don’t find it that different, it’s a different skill set for sure though

Like your class is the same and so is your defensives

It’s not like a different game

[vapid scarab]

not really

vanish is very different

evasion is actually useful most of the time

you can't just pve people down

[modest tendon]

When I do bg’s i pve people down

[bleak spoke]

The drs are different

[vapid scarab]

bgs =/ pvp

[bleak spoke]

Abilities also feel really different

The talents I play for sin at least are so different, mp over ep, subt over MA, mfd over vigor, ib over iron wire

My internal clock for energy regen is big wrong

[bright smelt]

Anyone that has been playing around with the 2nd minor on neck for raids/m+? (neck lvl 65)

and tried different combos

[sinful cradle]

Do you want to rupture up the 3 adds on orgozoa then fok and envenom the boss and reapply rupt again when they fall off?

[cobalt gyro]

Towarda the end of my grind i felt that way as well sub

Just wreck ppl

[lean wing]

Danny how the hell you did neckle 65 allready

😛

i would probably get energy regen minor. and chance to proc fire dmg one

[vale quest]

IS THERE any cool looking cape that doesn't clip the mage tower skin?

kinda annoying

[rigid mango]

@bright smelt for raids, strife/iris/flames, for m+ pp/flames and maybe iris, so far a bit undecided

[vale quest]

The argus one is my fav but it destroys the back daggers

[rigid mango]

Bestest, ask that in #transmog

[vale quest]

k

[daring cave]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[strange python]

best two essences and talent build for M+ dungeons?

[rigid mango]

2212221 iris/blood + lucid

[strange python]

Iron Wire?

[bright smelt]

yes

[strange python]

Holy, never thought usable

[bright smelt]

is amazing in dungeons with caster mobs, shrine, motherlode etc

why wouldnt it be usable?

• helps tank out with dmg reduction

[strange python]

That makes a lot of sense actually, more than I thought

[rigid mango]

It's super good

[strange python]

Echoing Blades and Twist the Knife right? 😛

[rigid mango]

And a SS

[strange python]

Gotcha! Perfect, I did like... two Kings Rest last night and all I got was AP lol

[vocal ginkgo]

hey guys is it possible to run m+ without EB or? xD

[strange python]

I have one more question though!! It may be quite silly to ask

Whom would be the better dps race for Rogue, Night Elf or Orc

[rigid mango]

It's impossible @vocal ginkgo

[true nexus]

i think night elf can get an extra subterfuge in a fight

in m´´

m+

[rigid mango]

Yep

[true nexus]

or an extra MA

[rigid mango]

Super good, insanely good

[true nexus]

but then you'd have to play alliance

and big yikes

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

I do play Alliance lol

If you were to pick though, which would most prefer. Iris or Blood for Major

[rigid mango]

Blood every day

at r3 though

not before it

[strange python]

So rank 2 iris would be better than rank 2 blood

[rigid mango]

Yep

[strange python]

Perfect! Thanks 🙂

[true thistle]

hello there, is there any follow up guide to azerite combinations for m+ scenarios?

[rigid mango]

Not really

[true thistle]

i mean i run like all the time 3xEB, 2xSS, 1xTwist the knife

[rigid mango]

I'd recommend 2/2/2 if you can 😄

[true thistle]

and i'd like to optimalise myself to the best

@rigid mango gotta try, got a few stuffs but i've got 3x430ilvl azerite parts for my actual setup

[modest tendon]

how much crit do you guys try to get to be happy with your dps in m+? im sitting at 38% :S

[rigid mango]

idk I run 1 420 still in my setup

idk

same

I think near 40% is good

[modest tendon]

just need to get a dagger with crit and i think I will be fine, seli has 45% 😮

[rigid mango]

What's his other stats at?

[lone junco]

well his brew monk is looking good.

[rigid mango]

His mast is way lower than mine hm

[lone junco]

fun to see that crit proc up to like 85% or whateer

[modest tendon]

same, i have 44%

[rigid mango]

Yeah I've got similar shit

I'm trying higher haste atm

9% feels really good

[lone junco]

lucid minor is plenty right?

i mean, the first few globals probably have to set up bleeds proper or you go dry

[true nexus]

what happens at 9 haste

[rigid mango]

Nothing really, it just feels real good

[dark crag]

You have 9 haste

[rigid mango]

11% is 4 bleeds instead of 5 to go energy positive I think

[true nexus]

i think my stats are wack but i go by like sim

[rigid mango]

Simming m+ for sin is just a big nono

imo

[true nexus]

this is my 2/2/2

[rigid mango]

What the unholy fuck

Get rid of all that haste

You have way too low crit

[true nexus]

i have no big crit ring

[rigid mango]

and mast

23% haste is more than I have on ST

[bright smelt]

same

you need to dump like 1k haste

[rigid mango]

@bleak spoke were u running 11%?

[true nexus]

i think i just lack crit gear

what do you ST stats kinda look like?

more interested in optimizing my ST stats since for m+ I kinda prefer outlaw anyway

[strange python]

Could I handle a +10 with 417 ilvl?

[distant cliff]

wait.. haste isnt our preferred stat?

[quiet forge]

if you use CLF then yes

[strange python]

CLF?

Oh my bad

[vapid scarab]

@distant cliff they're talking about m+, where you have infinite energy anyway

so haste doesn't do a whole lot in that setting

[distant cliff]

oh.. im going to be switching to my rogue, probably, so trying ot get myself lined up to raid

[vapid scarab]

then all you do is sim your character and equip what it tells you

[quiet forge]

What is "bleeding" in raidbots siming?

just under raid buffs

[distant cliff]

my sim is annoying. its telling me mastery is my best

[vapid scarab]

why is that annoying

[distant cliff]

mastery crit vers haste.. which seems backwards from what seems to be the "recommended"

cause i just got a bunch of haste gear 😛

[vapid scarab]

then sim the haste gear

and if it sims higher it sims higher

[distant cliff]

oh this is after equippipng said haste gear

[prisma breach]

yo guys quick question, in mythic plus when i pull huge packs of trash what should my rotation be? should i just be spamming crimson tempest and fan of knifes?

[distant cliff]

i mean.. its all 10-15 ilvl better.. so theres no chance the old shit is worth anything

[vapid scarab]

@prisma breach you shouldn't be using CT in the first place

[prisma breach]

realy all the guides say to use it, what should i be useing?

[lone junco]

rip CT. you were a pretty cool concept.

when you have ttk you dont have the spare CPS for spending on CT. they dont work together well.

and ct doesnt refund E like ruptures do.

[vapid scarab]

TtK has very little to do with it

[lone junco]

and ct doesnt hit as hard aoe as it could

[vapid scarab]

with EB traits CT is a wasted global

[lone junco]

and ct takes too long to run through

you still finish sometimes. rupture env or ct,

[vapid scarab]

@prisma breach what guides are you reading

[lone junco]

make it sound like you doing 20x fok in a row in cleave.

[ember pulsar]

So CT is actually garbage especially if you are using EB. You use cp on rapture to have energy and envenom on stronger targets to maintain EP and especially if you have TTK. Atleast that's what i am doing because I think it works for me

[rigid mango]

You jsut never use CT.

[ember pulsar]

Level 100 Talents seem pretty bad

[rigid mango]

PB is good

4-5% of damage is agiht

[ember pulsar]

On raids it's 1,5-3% for me. Maybe i am just unlucky

[hazy canyon]

But is a talent row good if there is never a reason to take a different talent?

[alpine thunder]

!stats

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.

[ember pulsar]

No

[alpine thunder]

Good afternoon all. I have a few questions in regards to sin rogues and my personal dps issues. I would love for some advice if people are willing to work with me either one on one/ helping me by looking at my stats etc.

[rigid mango]

You're gonna have to ask before we can help

Hard for us to help with nothing to look at

[ember pulsar]

Random advices probably won't help

[alpine thunder]

absolutely, I am just logging in right now so I can pull up my toon and respond accurately

so I am raiding with my guild, we are 8/8 heroic and my dps is struggling to stay around 20k dps

my sims tell me I should be consistent around 31k

I can't tell if maybe my secondary might be an issue or my rotations

or if perhaps I am not proccing lucky enough

my talents are 2312321

[rigid mango]

There's no way luck makes an 11k diff

[alpine thunder]

fair enough

[rigid mango]

Your talents are fine, most likely rotational issues

feel free to drop a log link if you want me to

[alpine thunder]

kk give me a tic ill pull if off our discord

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/DaGJNWYTFm1f8ZtV/

[ember pulsar]

Something more? 😄

[alpine thunder]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/K3d4Yr26NHMxPVQB/
this one is from the day before. I died early in Za'qual

[rigid mango]

Isn't vaermina someone else in this discord

Solo?

Right from the start, you overcapped a lot of cp

[ember pulsar]

Good way to start is using wowanalyzer

[rigid mango]

No

no it isn't

You're very very wrong

It's not supported for sin.

[ember pulsar]

Well it shows some of your problems 😄

[alpine thunder]

I have been using wowanalyzer

really? did not know that

[rigid mango]

A good way to start is posting your logs here, which is what he's done 😄

[ember pulsar]

It isn't?

[rigid mango]

It is not.

[true nexus]

you potted in combat for ashvane

[rigid mango]

Thus, terrible

aight, found a huge issue here

You're running 2 shrouded and you're not running subterfuge

If you have any number of shrouded traits, you run subterfuge

instead of master assassin

[alpine thunder]

I have since switched I now have 2 nothing personal

i have 2 NP 2 Twist the knife and filthy transfusion

[rigid mango]

Aight, that's fine, you sure you're not simming better with ss + subterfuge?

Link your top gear sim and I can take a peek

you used kidney out of nowhere on sivara

http://prntscr.com/otyrjr

Oh no no no

[marble elm]

[alpine thunder]

dumb fingers its next to envenom

[true nexus]

you also opened with vendetta on sivara

[harsh sphinx]

[rigid mango]

That's just a huuuuuge no no

[cobalt pelican]

vendetta first global is alpha

[alpine thunder]

so I shouldn't open with vendetta?

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

Look at the openers in there 😄

[alpine thunder]

aah ok

I assume its because of the energy regen?

[ember pulsar]

Better never start with vendetta. Get some dots on target and then try

[rigid mango]

Efficient usage of subt/ma more like it

[alpine thunder]

aah ok

[true nexus]

you wanna get more big hitter during vendetta rather than applying or refreshing your bleeds

[alpine thunder]

as you can see kidney shot is right next to envenom here

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/otysud another boss you did the same

I mean

2 and 4 are entirely diff buttons

[true nexus]

windows 7

[rigid mango]

idk how you missclick to 5 mutis in a row times 2

😄

[true nexus]

windowed mode

default ui

[alpine thunder]

ooh so says I clicked mutilate 5 times without a finisher? I dont understand that picture

[dark crag]

You pressed mutilate 5 times in a row

[alpine thunder]

./facepalm

[rigid mango]

in two diff scenarios

You at max need 2 mutis

[true nexus]

panic spam when doin mechanics? xd

been there

but thats like 10 cps at least

[alpine thunder]

and thats a big loss in dps

[rigid mango]

Quite

[alpine thunder]

that would make sense why I am up and down on the charts

for details at least

Zine and Alfredo and more. thank you

I need to focus on my rotation for hectic situations

[rigid mango]

idd

[ember pulsar]

Maybe get some weak auras to help you track cds

and dots

[alpine thunder]

does this discord have some?/

[ember pulsar]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[ember pulsar]

I am using Afenar

They look good and clear for me

[true nexus]

i can use icons for dots

my brain works better with progress bars

[ember pulsar]

They are fine for me

[true nexus]

i found one with progress bars that turn greens when you are good for pandemic

[ember pulsar]

In afenar's group they just glow

[rigid mango]

I picked mizerok's mainly because he's on here a fuckton and is my customer support

[ember pulsar]

That's enough for me

[true nexus]

i use this https://wago.io/4IAxMQWWK

with my own edits

like i deleted the combat point text cause i also need the visual and i use luxthos resources for that

idk how you could use CB text indicator rather than actual like blocks

[unborn helm]

do toxic blade affects the inkpod?

[rigid mango]

no

[alpine thunder]

i have it imported, bare with me while i go to a training dummy and see how it looks

[sly marlin]

so my sim's say ashara's and ashvanes are my 2 best trinkets i own, but it make everything clunky, any thoughts

[ember pulsar]

2 on use trinkets aren't comfortable

[sly marlin]

currently my other other option is kimbo's or mechagon trinket

[ember pulsar]

Mechagon trinket is fine because you can use it on cd when colar and font of power you should combo with vendetta

[alpine thunder]

yea that UI looks great

[true nexus]

which one did you pick

[alpine thunder]

afenar

[strange python]

Is there a way for me to sim 2 minors if I’m not 65 in my neck yet

[cobalt pelican]

pls bind your abilities

it's +5k dps

trust me

[prime geode]

is there a way to move sivara's bar from the middle of the screen ?

[alpine thunder]

who you talking to fairy? me?

[ember pulsar]

Binding is too hard :<

Yes to you

[alpine thunder]

gotcha

[ember pulsar]

Using something more than 6 is uncomfortable for most people

[rigid coral]

Kick on 6 cmon dude

[ember pulsar]

I feel good with it

[cobalt pelican]

yes to you

you don't even have primary rotational abilities bound

unless the binds are hidden

[hoary crown]

Lets see some high sims everyone!!

[rigid coral]

Idk I just feel pressing 6 is yikes since it is off gcd but if it works for you then it's cool

[ember pulsar]

In guild we had shaman that was searching in spellbook for interrupt. I miss him so much :<

[rigid coral]

I know someone with interrupt on ctrl 4 and I thought that was bad

[ember pulsar]

He was one of our best dpses buuuuuut his mechanics.... Yikes

[cobalt pelican]

i use shift3 for focus interrupt

because it's what i decided on like

10 eyars ago

and it's never moved since

[true nexus]

i think most people would cringe at my binds

[rigid coral]

Yeh just annoying if you want to press another key with a modifier on

[true nexus]

but its b/c like

i use a razer naga and even tho most of my rotational abilities are on my left hand (1,2,3) i still use a bunch of stuff on the mouse

when moving for example i use 123 on the mouse grid

but not always

its weird

[cobalt pelican]

any binds are fine as long as you're comfortable pressing the ones you need to press

[rigid coral]

Had a guildie who had health's tone on =

[cobalt pelican]

it's not like there's some esports gamer setup

[ember pulsar]

If you are ok with that that's fine

[rigid mango]

How can arguing about the superiority of binds be such a common topic

[cobalt pelican]

having to click vendetta vanish tb shadowstep and sprint seems like a mistake though

[rigid coral]

Yeh that is bad

Also since vanish is off gcd

And in rotation

[alpine thunder]

its always how I did it lol

[cobalt pelican]

bind them to some keys and get used to it

zxcfgtyfr

whatever you're comfy with

[alpine thunder]

I still mostly move to with wasd

[rigid mango]

now that's a yikes

[true nexus]

I do need to rework some of my binds at some point tbh but yeah

you should neve rhave to click shit mid fight

cause dpsing is honestly fairly hard already to be effective + doing mechanics

let alone clicking

[rigid coral]

Definitely

[true nexus]

look at logs and if you have more than two casts of something in a fight then bind it

like if you wanna click food, ok, click potions? maybe

[rigid coral]

Clicking is generally okay but it is very suboptimal

[true nexus]

not your cds, not your defensives,not your rotation

its not generally ok

lmao

[rigid mango]

Clicking is a big no no

but we're straying away from sin 😄

[rigid coral]

The only things I click are food and flask

[ember pulsar]

For bm hunters clicking spells is +5k dps

[alpine thunder]

if only this mechanical keyboard had a number pad

[true nexus]

"clicking for sin is a big nono"

there

back to sin

haha

[rigid coral]

Outplayed

[alpine thunder]

brb in a few got to relearn controls i have known for 7 years lol

or whenever BC came out

[ember pulsar]

You didn't bind keys for 7 years?

Oh my

And bc came out in 2007

Yikes

[lone junco]

zempai is still a clicker.

only has 2 fingers on his right hand and moves with a foot pedal cause his left arm was blown off

[past harbor]

Do i want to align toxic blade with vendetta always or just in the opening?

[ember pulsar]

Well you should

If you are not going to lose any TB cast through whole fight

[lone junco]

wait. tb is on cd still right?

[ember pulsar]

Yeah

[lone junco]

its easy to lose a TB cast if you stack up tiny delays

[marble elm]

just make a random cast sequence with every ability in your spellbook

[alpine thunder]

all right so now I got to get use to moving with just the mouse lol

[dense cedar]

how do u strafe with mouse @alpine thunder

[alpine thunder]

I am using a and d still for strafing

[dense cedar]

heh

[alpine thunder]

but qwerty is now for spell bindings

all right well thats hard as heck lol qwerty won't work for me ill have to find different ones,

[cobalt pelican]

just keep your old movement binds.. plenty of people use w to move forward

there's a lot of keys on the keyboard

[true nexus]

w to move forward is more than fine

you can use qersfzxcv

and 1234 isnt bad

if you can manage to move while presing those too

[ember pulsar]

If that's comfortable use shits + something or ctrl

Even f1 f2 .... if you are ok with that

[true nexus]

yeah obv pick like 4-8 really comfy ones and then a comfortable modifier like shift

or control

whever you can hit properly wihtout messing shit up

[ember pulsar]

It has to be comfortable for you not good looking for others

Keep wsad if you want

[alpine thunder]

i switched them to ins, home, pgup,del,end,and pgdn

and they are for abilities that have cds longer than 30 secs

[cobalt pelican]

hwat

[ember pulsar]

Well. Noone uses those 6 keys but ok if thats comfortable for you buuuut i wouldn't recommend using them xD

[alpine thunder]

its so i can move my right hand over to them faster from the mouse since I don't have a number pad on this keyboard

[cobalt pelican]

is there something wrong with just using like rftgzx

[alpine thunder]

my thumb on my right hand is closer to it then my left

[rigid coral]

12345qertfgzxcv

[ember pulsar]

Left hand for rotation right for clicking and movement?

[alpine thunder]

my main rotation is still done 1/5

1 to 5

the things on the other keys are things with larger cds so evasion, vendetta, cloak kick and vanish

[ember pulsar]

Evasion, Crimson Vial and Cloak are emergency keys so you need them in comfortable place

and Kick is important you need it near main rotation because you will use it very random

[true nexus]

Don't lift your right hand from your mouse ever

[rigid mango]

How else am I supposed to scratch my balls?

[ember pulsar]

Try using your foot!

[drifting cloud]

Left hand while you click rotation

[vapid scarab]

Train your dog

[alpine thunder]

lol

all right f1 f2 rfcv

all for the left hand

[blissful temple]

With the outlaw nerf, is it worthwhile to play sin in m+ again? It wasn't bad when I switched, but I got tired of getting denied for not being outlaw

[alpine thunder]

and doesnt interrupt my movement buttons

[crimson condor]

im an alt+1,2,3 person myself

[cobalt pelican]

you'll get way less 'lol go outlaw noblet hipster' but outlaw is still probably better

[rigid mango]

How is this still going

[alpine thunder]

all right, stepping out for now, going to work on some toon changes and get stuff on lockdown, thanks again for all your help

[rigid mango]

@blissful temple outlaw is probably marginally better, sin is still very good and close, but harder to play and much harder to gear, personal pref I suppose.

[blissful temple]

@rigid mango Thanks. I pref sin, but I had a hard time getting M+ invites during its heyday.

[rigid mango]

Unless you're pushing real high, it wont and didn't matter 😄

[drifting cloud]

I mean i dont pug keys alot but I never had issues being sin.

[blissful temple]

@rigid mango True, but to some of these kids... it ain't meta it ain't nothing.

[rigid mango]

It was very infrequent when I got declined for being sin

Atleast to my knowledge

[sullen pagoda]

I barely ever had someone say "yo you sin not outlaw?"

[wet ruin]

wait, people are not using wasd to move???

[civic palm]

Sure.

[junior flume]

On court are you all multi dotting -> burst or just burst one target and the go multi dotting after vend runs out

[noble vale]

Y’all buggin. Every 20+ key I did last season started with, “YOURE NOT OUTLAW?!?!”

Usually followed by, “oh hey garrotte I remember this. Kinda nice” then we don’t talk about it again the whole time

@junior flume someone gave me some great advice here for that fight. Open and ven your starting target. Then switch targets with every shadowstep CD

Right as you’re about to step, refresh dots when the time is right; then step and fight the other boss for 30 seconds. Repeat every time step is up

Also makes your life as a melee easier, and easier for everyone around the primary target

[real bay]

good way is also to open on one put up bleeds step to other do the same and pop cds , you delay your opener a bit but have bleeds up on both right away

looked up a replay of a mythic kill with very good parse that's what they both did

[noble vale]

That’s probably even better

[junior flume]

I was doing what erttu said, but it felt a bit iffy. So Toastys sounds more appealing but it's probably just something you have to get used to

[noble vale]

They opened melee mob, and then they used Ven on caster girl? @real bay

It’ll delay the Spriests getting Twist but I can’t imagine it’s that big

[real bay]

I think one of them was on caster and other melee. Not sure if it makes a difference

[noble vale]

Ohhhhh probably start with caster then!!

Step to melee and burn CDs

[junior flume]

Wouldn't it be best to open on caster and then swap to melee for coral use?

[cobalt pelican]

just treat it as a single target fight where you can change your single target when opportunities arise (shadowstep, cyclo cast, tank swapping in some cases)

[junior flume]

We want to have double bleeds running as much as possible though I'd think

[scarlet sequoia]

correct

[noble vale]

Yeah the highest parse have high uptime

I’m gonna do that on the reclear for sure

Open caster and go melee with CDs

[junior flume]

Yea I'll try sticking to that too

[noble vale]

Plus having double bleeds going during CDs probably way better

Now I feel straight Downs for opening melee lol

[scarlet sequoia]

ideal opener is open on caster get bleeds swap melee and own it up

[junior flume]

Haha I've kicked myself several times for having coral on the wrong target -.-

[noble vale]

Yeah deff what I’m doing

Going melee opener then caster and then Ssing on CD made me always in the wrong place during the electric charge

This will fix that too I think

[junior flume]

Yes that's how i felt too!

Will see next time I'm there 😛

[noble vale]

Thanks as always fellow yellow boys

[rigid mango]

Yellow

[sick eagle]

How do I use Azshara trinket and coral?

[junior flume]

As I found out earlier today, read the paragraph in TC-updates 🙂

[rigid mango]

^

#tc-updates

[junior flume]

Stop showing off with your fancy links 😛

[rigid mango]

[lost tree]

which PVP Heads is the right one for PvE? Hood or Cap?

[scarlet sequoia]

hood

think theres 2 of the same tho

[lost tree]

they both have DD and NP

and OP

[daring cave]

Is Rank 2 BotE worth using? Or is it only good until u get rank3?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah theyre the same

@lost tree

[lost tree]

okay thanks

[rough yew]

outlaw player lookitng to try sin out - whats the best dungeon to farm for weapons and whatever else iwould need to

transition from outlaw to assassin? currently mostly decked out in crit vers gear

i have no daggers so i need to farm a mythic+ dungeon for daggers too

[balmy crane]

is Cyclotrnic blast actually good?

[rigid mango]

Yes

@rough yew m+, raid or both?

[rough yew]

zine - probably looking for primarily just raiding ST bosses

[balmy crane]

does it scale with the level of your trinket? i have 422 atm

[rough yew]

but i want to find daggers

from m+

so i can start practicing

the class

oh and so i can also try pvp

wanted to get into sin for pvp as well

[rigid mango]

I can't remember which has crit haste

but I think it's td

[rough yew]

yeah toldagor has a crit haste dagger

so get two of those?

[wet ruin]

@balmy crane it does yes

[rough yew]

or shoudl i do one toldagor dagger

and one like

freehold

[rigid mango]

You can sim it with droptimizer

[rough yew]

even if i have no weapons?

i.e. i have no daggers in bags atm

only outlaw gear

[rigid mango]

You should still get which dagger is best

[rough yew]

gotcha

[rigid mango]

It'll tell you haste/mast probs

[rough yew]

thx

[rigid mango]

crit, haste and mast

atleast

[rough yew]

whys that? ravenholdt guide says

crit haste is best

for ST?

[jolly comet]

UR has crit mastery weapon you prob want that for M+ over crit haste

[rigid mango]

aye but mast is good for sin

and assuming you're swapping from outlaw that value is in the gutter

[rough yew]

i'm looking to run for raiding

the sin build

stay outlaw for M+

[rigid mango]

Then you'll want some mastery 😄

[jolly comet]

haste has been reduced because of the the minor essence

[rough yew]

i see

got cha

[jolly comet]

lucid dreams

[rigid mango]

It's still pretty much the best

[rough yew]

kk

clf major still

for ST?

[rigid mango]

But it's too hard to say which is the best stat

Yep

clf + lucid

[rough yew]

and what second minor

[rigid mango]

both r3, that is

[rough yew]

is good for sin

[rigid mango]

uhh

sorta undecided still

flames/iris probably

strife, maybe, but from what I heard it's sa pain

[rough yew]

mm

ok ty

[vocal ginkgo]

guys

which major/minor combination is best for m+?

iris-memory?

[viscid widget]

thats what i run

iris great for clearing trash and the haste is good st

[rigid mango]

Bote + lucid granted both are at r3 is the best, probably

[scarlet sequoia]

iris is just pad

[rigid mango]

mmhm mr dd and np in m+ lord chiming in

I see

[scarlet sequoia]

shh

i have bis now

[rigid mango]

You have BiS in everything

[scarlet sequoia]

yep yep

easy for me

[rigid mango]

are u at 52k yet?

[scarlet sequoia]

ye i got 65 yesterday

52.5k

[rigid mango]

Aids

[scarlet sequoia]

its nice to be done

[rigid mango]

I mean, sockets to get

445 font to get I suppose

53k should be achievable?

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah 53k is easy

just need a bigger weapon

[rigid mango]

Weapon

[scarlet sequoia]

445 font will get me above 53k as well

[royal lantern]

just drop 455 items with sockets

[rigid mango]

Oh I mean

54/55 then*

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah 55k i think is peak

[royal lantern]

man, why did i not thought about that, its so ez

[cobalt pelican]

seeing people go up like 10k simdps over the same course of time i've gone up like 900 makes me warm and fuzzy inside

[balmy crane]

I've looked in the guides and not finding good information on how to use Pocket size computation device, any tips or poitn me in the right direction?

[royal lantern]

you talk about the beam right?

[balmy crane]

mech trinket ya

[royal lantern]

well,when vendetta is gone and you dont need too spend energy/cp you use it

[balmy crane]

I'll give it a shot, just got a decent yellow card/ Thank you

[rigid mango]

@balmy crane it's in the pins in #wow-general for some reason

[balmy crane]

ahhh

thanks @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

glgl

[versed sigil]

Hi everyone, is it better to run MA on ST in raid than subt? I cannot seem to keep my dps up during the fight. It drops so much after the opener

[rigid mango]

It is better to run MA if you don't have any shrouded traits, yeah

[lean coral]

depends on your gear

[versed sigil]

I have 1 SS

[rigid mango]

Then subt is better

[cobalt pelican]

nobody can keep their dps after the opener

[rigid mango]

^

[versed sigil]

My opener goes 40-50k easily but then I can't get it higher than 25k'ish on Sivara

[rigid mango]

That's more of an issue than just subt vs ma

[versed sigil]

Well I was just wondering because I don't see my 2 mates with MA go below 35k

[lean coral]

yeah considering subt vs ma only affects your opener

[drifting cloud]

MA vs subt is a 500 dps difference at most

look for dps elsewhere

[rigid mango]

Yeah well, that's probably more thanks to other gear/rotational issues

Not opener related

[versed sigil]

Gear is simmed good. It's somewhere in my opener and I cannot seem to find where

euuhm

rotation I mean

[rigid mango]

Link your logs

[versed sigil]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/fXAawPCb86kmd7Ln/

[lean coral]

6 heals damn

[versed sigil]

Yeah, we were the only ones online that wanted to raid so we had to do it with what we had

There's only 1 mythic raider and rest of us only done heroic so we were just trying to see if we could do it

[cobalt pelican]

ma makes you (probably) crit (at max) 3 abilities every 2 minutes it's like

insignificant

your opener is wrong, you have scent of blood on your raiding gear, you have really really high downtime, you're using poisoned knife a lot, you often have 30-35+ seconds between tb casts

[lean coral]

yeah openers bad off the start

should read the guide

[cobalt pelican]

rupture and garrote uptime is <85% etc etc

[versed sigil]

I've read the guide few times already. I just don't seem to get it right

I notice I refresh bleeds too soon alot

Btw, forgot to mention Merueme is the rogue to look at if you're checking it out

[cobalt pelican]

then.. don't? just refresh them within the windows you can and keep them up 100% of the time

[versed sigil]

Just noticed

[cobalt pelican]

the opener is something that can be d irectly taken from the guide and replicated ingame

so are the pandemic timers for bleeds

[versed sigil]

What do you mean? Rather refresh bleeds earlier than having them run out?

[heavy trail]

I haven't done it for my rogue but you can get a WA that will let you know when your bleeds are empowered or not... so you don't overwrite ectc

[versed sigil]

Yeah I'm using luxthos

[cobalt pelican]

there are windows in which you can refresh your bleeds and have the remaining of you current added to the next one

all the times of which are on the ravenholdt guide

[versed sigil]

Yeah the garrote is 5.4 seconds for example, right?

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, what makes you want to apply it before that?

[heavy trail]

you lose out on a lot of dps if its empowered and you overwrite it with a non empowered one

[versed sigil]

I also noticed that I got to be more patient with pushing the buttons

I tend to spam it too much in panicky situations

[cobalt pelican]

ya i mean

you have 14 poison knife casts in 1 pull somehow

[versed sigil]

I try to use them when I have to run away for the puddles

[cobalt pelican]

some of those will be completely unnecessary and some of them will only be necessary because you're like straight up not hitting the boss for 20 seconds at a time and capping

don't cast poison knife ever unless you're going to hit 170 energy if you don't

[devout gazelle]

Guys which essense you suggest for 3rd slot? Just hit 65 finally 😄

[rigid mango]

sim it 😄

[raw oasis]

Is Jagged Cut from the 2nd boss motherlode adds dodgeable (pop evasion)?

[stark oxide]

uh yes? The debuff is applied when they hit you. I always pop evasion and am ok so. Either way just watch your stacks though

and make sure they are in front of you obv

[fluid falcon]

why is dungeon slice telling me to not take any echoing blades?

[rigid mango]

because dungeonslice sucks for sin

[fluid falcon]

What is best to run? 6 bosses 1minute?

[vestal wren]

those 2 are probably the best you can run:

dungeon slice
https://pastebin.com/UXKAbiX0
dungeon slice adds only
https://pastebin.com/uEMEWVy2

[rigid mango]

Fuu's custom script that he'll send

is best probs

Simming in general isn't very good for m+

[vestal wren]

its probably the closest to m+

[rigid mango]

There are so many different scenarios it's near impossible to sim it

[vestal wren]

i agree, its better to make custom fight scripts and sim situations

so that you learn where your spec shines/has deficites

[fluid falcon]

Alright, thank you!

[vestal wren]

i also disagree with zines statement, its just that you dont micro optimize for every pull/week/group/etc

[drifting cloud]

well but for sin what people use compared to what would actually sim best in dungeon slice are very different things

[vestal wren]

you cant change gear mid dungeon so, it should be fairly easy to filter out what you want to focus on and adjust your gear for

[drifting cloud]

its almost easier to just always say stack crit and mastery use 2/2/2

[vestal wren]

or try to make sin reguardless if its actually usefull "universally good" with 2-2-2