All you need are mechagon rings
#assassination
rigid mango
rigid mango
I've got a bunch without it
arctic walrus
I want my 10 sockets back : /
dense cedar
@worn storm What situation are u having an issue with?
bleak spoke
its huge
distant lava
better than ceph or pvp chest
faint harness
its good
bleak spoke
better than ceph
faint harness
with full loyal benefit
faint harness
do you have the helm from zaqul
rigid mango
Blackwater is better
dense cedar
I have helm from Zaqul
rigid mango
It sims +- same
dense cedar
Heroic :)
rigid mango
but added thing that it also can proc with a death
which is a lot of dps
If that procs during vend
faint harness
biggg
rigid mango
Don't mind me
arctic walrus
a 445 font is 600 more than a 430 yeah okay 
rigid mango
just procced what
distant lava
so with those azerites
rigid mango
18 sockets?
distant lava
do you pick 2 loyal and np in gorak tul's
arctic walrus
the setup I have is literal bis I believe
faint harness
i dunno how double loyal works
arctic walrus
1 np 1 loyal 1 bbi
rigid mango
I genuinly wanna do 3 loyal hc runs and have people die each vend
arctic walrus
I was running double loyal for a little bit
faint harness
do you actually get 700 from each stat
arctic walrus
bbi is better than 2 loyal, probably not 1 though
rigid mango
you get 300 equal to the mastery you got
wait that's just brain boom
You get crit/vers/haste equal to the mastery you get from normal loyal
if someone dies
rigid mango
yes.
faint harness
Jeeesus kristus
worn storm
@dense cedar was just confused cuz icy veins recommends toxic blade while ravenholdt recommends envenom
dense cedar
Icy Veins
faint harness
dense cedar
cringe
worn storm
it's why i asked, they're not good with the details on classes
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/cZXjeU0.png man this would be so nuts at a decent ilevel
thats the 415 version from normal mechagon
bleak spoke
if you think about it
arctic walrus
Wait is it actually random in that minute interval
ancient onyx
rng traits 
bleak spoke
thats literally blightborne
except other stats
i have no idea havent messed around with it but if it could be gamed that would be insane
arctic walrus
12 vs 14 seconds though 
bleak spoke
its written with different grammar than blightborne isnt it
it's not "your abilities have a chance of"
faint harness
the hardmode head has OP
bleak spoke
doesnt have that trait tho
bleak spoke
https://i.imgur.com/UaONsor.png mediocre
faint harness
324 at what ilvl
arctic walrus
"of your choice" ??
bleak spoke
its the higher stat on your logic board
faint harness
wtf
bleak spoke
430
bleak spoke
errr isnt that shit compared to like
arctic walrus
what's the helm called
bleak spoke
mekgineer's mindbending headgear
i mean i guess i can sim it
but you have to use cyclotronic with it
bleak spoke
man these rings are good but i think you literally need a forge https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tJKsMXaQT7wptffeUUpiKw
arctic walrus
is it 415 or 430
arctic walrus
yeah damn wish I could get some sockets/wf on them
bleak spoke
bleak spoke
yeah its really really great for outlaw
bleak spoke
ttk sob
faint harness
but close to
bleak spoke
ttk is good as fuck though
marble hemlock
outlaw talk in my assa? 😡
arctic walrus
Oh no no 
bleak spoke
nah i just have the helm set to outlaw atm seli
bleak spoke
coral font for me
faint harness
and you already had biz azerite
bleak spoke
so idk if its worth
bleak spoke
whats yoru logic board vel
faint harness
how much dps increase is 1 of the bis traits
dense cedar
What r stats?
arctic walrus
forceful adaptable*
faint harness
cus just by looking at this stat gain its 1700 dps or something
bleak spoke
on generic profile on herodamage 2.7k for first np
2.6k for blightborne
oh 2.6k and 2.5*
bleak spoke
1553 for scent of blood, for a point of contrast
faint harness
bleak spoke
so uh
faint harness
Hey! Its great
bleak spoke
as i said i thought it looked pretty whatever haha
faint harness
well the pitfall is having to use the trinket too
prime geode
guys sims says 2 loyal instead of 1 np what do you think ?
arctic walrus
Must be low on mastery
bleak spoke
man i kinda wonder
if the dd swiriling sands helm
is actually good
like i can see a sick setup with dd swirling + dd blightborne + blackwater chest or something
gonna run droptimizer omegalul
theres no dd np chest with OP is there
bleak spoke
but that has like gutripper or osmething i think
LOL not even
globules earthlink elemental whirl
yikes
sullen pagoda
swirlings sands helmet is only one thats simming better than my engi helm
by ~300 dps
arctic walrus
what're your shoulders
arctic walrus
zaq really isn't better?
sullen pagoda
forgot about raid azerite sims meant the relinquished only
i can sim it and see the zaqul
bleak spoke
@sullen pagoda the siege helm with ttk np op beats my engi helm
not by alot but it does
arctic walrus
I'm sort of glad bis traits aren't x3 of stuff
sullen pagoda
yea
sin really has lots of nice traits you can go with
unlike some specs that are X or bust
bleak spoke
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t3j5XJPDbbAURarpYHwgqc yep i guess this setup is slightly better than mine
man can you imagine
sour wasp
do we even have a bis set up or is it specific to each player?
crisp steppe
@sour wasp the problem with BiS is that titanforging is a thing.
clear saddle
condensed is better than lucid on major?
sour wasp
on r3 yes
cobalt gyro
@bleak spoke might be doable if you had TR access for the wq azerite
bleak spoke
it changes based on your gear and stats though
clear saddle
i have both r3
arctic walrus
Isn't there a bbi/np/op helm from wq
cobalt gyro
Yeah
bleak spoke
yeah lol
sour wasp
wtf that sounds insane
cobalt gyro
Is there swirling DD chest?
rigid mango
nah
bleak spoke
wq az yeah
rigid mango
Cheesers
bleak spoke
MAN WHAT IS THIS MAN https://i.imgur.com/zfo8MiE.png
sullen pagoda
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vvgjUPdGi1xTyb1WMGXsYM @arctic walrus ye zaqul helmet is 520 dps 
cobalt gyro
Actually not a terrible piece
bleak spoke
big dungeon pad
arctic walrus
trash yeah
arctic walrus
Arcane heart
faint harness
drunk when making it
rigid mango
hm?
faint harness
is that on ally side
bleak spoke
literally gives you choice of dd np
rigid mango
isn't that the piece people were using on tr realm?
cobalt gyro
Wdym better than advertised
bleak spoke
has dd on it
cobalt gyro
Pretty sure plate wearers can get 2x bbi + swirling
Saw one of the DK's had that + triple festermight 
shut pasture
I have a question
bleak spoke
man wtf
bleak spoke
you shoudl always garrote 3 times from out of stealth with 2+ targets
if youre running any shrouded suffocation
cobalt gyro
Yes
sour wasp
rage
cobalt gyro
Garrote is so high damage per gcd with shrouded it doesn't matter too much
sour wasp
snapshotted garrote is way too powerful not to overcap @shut pasture
faint harness
rage? 
shut pasture
I dont know what rogue power is called sry
clear saddle
should i deelay 2nd vendetta until condensed comes up?
faint harness
no
if anything you could delay rocky boi
to 3rd vendetta
IF you wont get another cast off
if you think the fight is going to be longer than 6 minutes, then just use it on cd
umbral sigil
Is anyone here stacking Undulating tides? I saw a majority of people on logs doing that but now it seems like everyone is leaning more towards loyal to the end
clear saddle
i'm currently on ashvane
clear saddle
kk
faint harness
2 shield or 3 shield
sudden ocean
If you could convince like a druid or someone to constantly focus top you and give you ironbark on every damage spike
tides would probably be worth it
umbral sigil
Is the mastery gains from loyal to the end worth it though?
sudden ocean
Sim it
make sure to change loyal targets to the amount of people using it in your raid
sour wasp
sim assumes no dead ppl from loyal right?
faint harness
y
sudden ocean
Yes I believe so
bleak spoke
if you 3 shield just slap it all on cd and your vendetta at the very end you will line with condensed again
assuming you're holding cds for first expose
shut pasture
I feel like i'm not doing enough AoE damage
sour wasp
you shouldnt
faint harness
he's talking about something else now
best ST dps on ashvane is outlaw tho
loktarck i think (?)
sour wasp
ah nvm thought he's the guy that's on ashvane from above
bleak spoke
@faint harness https://i.imgur.com/MUBdK4x.png apparently this gives https://i.imgur.com/bJsYgju.png so i think maybe the flat secondaries are stronger than they seem
rigid mango
Lok had the best one atleast?
faint harness
what was it 55k dps
bleak spoke
generic sim profile?
faint harness
yea i dunno
faint harness
hahaha
bleak spoke
how the shit is the generic profile 36k dps
faint harness
i think we're talking about different stuff
faint harness
y
faint harness
but if the deep roots one is that high, surely 350 in ur bis is big
bleak spoke
it just makes so little sense to me tho
my highest weight is like 5.6 multiply that by 350 and it's still not over 2k
faint harness
you cant see the stat scaling tho
its not a static 350 on all ilvls
you can math out its value at 445
assuming its 5 dps per vers
its 400+ at least
460?
bleak spoke
versa should be the most static one too
cuz i would believe that x amount of whatever stat much propel you forward or be worth less than expected
but like
not versa lol
rigid mango
anyone else wanna try to find 27 shamans with loyal who can ankh for me in hc raids so I can parse?
faint harness
vers + trinkets
bleak spoke
oh true
faint harness
but yea it should be accounted for by the vers weight?
crisp steppe
bleak spoke
procs on shitk
strange python
will my energy troubles get better when i get venom rush?
bleak spoke
you might solve your energy troubles with venom rush but you will create some dps problems
faint harness
yo
strange python
i don't wanna have to spend even more energy than i do already lol
so i guess i'm just stuck?
icyveins says toxic blade
scarlet sequoia
it has been done
strange python
congrats raz
bleak spoke
holy moly
faint harness
gz
strange python
what are you gonna put in that essence slot?
jaunty plinth
i mean. you spend only what you get. there's only so much you can spend
scarlet sequoia
unbound force
strange python
problem is that it feels like i don't get much
i don't know what that is, but it sounds cool
balmy crane
vers?
strange python
unbound force sounds like the name of a fury warrior talent lol
strange python
oh
jaunty plinth
the haste uptime one i think
strange python
i'd love some more haste tbh
jaunty plinth
wouldn't we all dear
strange python
i'm 85 and my haste is at 19% lol
so there's that i suppose
it's just going to get lower so why complain?
scarlet sequoia
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bBJtwoDSb5xe4xk3ctddpz yeah iris is the move
strange python
but yeah, energy issues will go away soon right?
faint harness
no
umbral sigil
We've been saying that since legion
faint harness
wth is that sim
scarlet sequoia
its the biggest
jaunty plinth
5 worldvein, 4 loyal, that's what
umbral sigil
Some would say longer
strange python
dang
scarlet sequoia
@jaunty plinth ye im using worldvein and loyal in that sim
jaunty plinth
yeah, the numbers are why that sim gets bigger
jaunty plinth
if you're simming with them you put them in, but they still give a potentially unrealistic edge to the sim
umbral sigil
Raz is apparently an RNG god with those sockets
strange python
i mean the wait for energy gen isn't really that long but still, it adds up lol
scarlet sequoia
back on top
strange python
perfectly balanced, as all things should be
arctic walrus
Raz how good would mecha rings be for you
hushed arrow
How can we see on that link which sim options you chose? 🤔
scarlet sequoia
if you link string i can check
bleak spoke
i kinda want to see when i have a third essence how it would be to play blood lucid vop minor
bleak spoke
only 1 essence
shut pasture
is 2nd essence THAT much of a boost?
bleak spoke
thats also a dungeon setup
bleak spoke
we're all in full benthic raid gear
bleak spoke
i mean whats your overall
shut pasture
like 28k ish
hushed arrow
Alavisto I feel you so much
hushed arrow
dense cedar
just shadowmeld
shut pasture
maybe sin is just not pug friendly
strange python
fan of knives is so awesome
bleak spoke
nah its fine
its just hard to figure out what youre doing wrong at first
but when you do your damage flies
hushed arrow
@bleak spoke You just said it man, it's really realizing wtf to do and wtf we do wrong.
strange python
mastery's that good?
prime geode
yes because it pairs very well with shrouded
hushed arrow
Mastery should be 1k+ in pretty much all situations I heard, correct? 🤔
rigid mango
There are a lot of things that affect the value of the stats
strange python
shrouded?
prime geode
shruded suffocation trait
hushed arrow
@rigid mango So would it be worth to drop 5-10ilvls for Raiding or going m+? Depending if your main gear is ST or AoE?
rigid mango
I uhh, drop quite a lot when I go to m+
crystal vessel
And no BIS trinket. Lol
hushed arrow
How to get azerite pieces effectively? 🤔
rigid mango
hm?
shut pasture
how do I know
dense cedar
Like azerite doesn't drop from M+
rigid mango
In what sense
severe ocean
Raidbots says Shockbiter's fang[415] is better for me.
But Bloodmallet says Lustrous Golden Plumage[420] is better for me.
Which do I listen to?
rigid mango
sims
arctic walrus
You can't have a carrot on a stick without the carrot
shut pasture
in a sense that
rigid mango
raidbots, always
arctic walrus
They need your money
severe ocean
kk
arctic walrus
link logs
rigid mango
Link logs if you want rotational help
rigid mango
I followed the rh guide, a lot of what seliathan says and then learned
I got a feel from things after playing a bunch
dense cedar
I just find it weird that they add a new feature and not give u a way to go after it at all
Since residium is from azerite pieces
the back luck protection mechanic can't even be raced after
rigid mango
I mean, I think residuum is the best system there is
rough agate
They didn’t want us spam farming azerite pieces
shut pasture
"LOW DPS ROGUE"
rigid mango
for such a flawed system that azerite is, inately
shut pasture
dense cedar
We spam farm literally everything else tho
rigid mango
Yeah well, idk what you have trait wise
nor stat wise
nor if you fucked up talents
you fucked up rotationally
no clue mate
Hard to help you when I have nada to go off of
shut pasture
1 ss 2 fan 2 ttk 1 vendetta
dense cedar
Like
rigid mango
I wouldn't play 1 np
dense cedar
I get not dropping in M+ if they could be gotten somewhere else
dense cedar
except like raid i guess
shut pasture
the laternative is rezans fury
dense cedar
that's the only place
shut pasture
dense cedar
arctic walrus
hire this man
rigid mango
There's no other souce
rigid mango
Azerite is flawed from the ground up
dense cedar
is it only PvP ones or something?
rigid mango
I was joking
dense cedar
oh
dense cedar
Weeklys r bad system tbh
rigid mango
I mean, azerite is a bad system
arctic walrus
They keep you subbed so it works in their eyes
rigid mango
but we're straying into #wow-general now
Either we hop over there or have a mod come scream at us
(:
dense cedar
Ye but u only need to do 1 15 or something
and then if u don't need any other gear there's no point doing the activity
dense quest
if you grind out everything week1 then there is no point
dense cedar
except for fun of course
rigid mango
scarlet sequoia
@arctic walrus can you link simc string for mechagon rings
dense cedar
im in there
scarlet sequoia
haste one
cloud lichen
guys
scarlet sequoia
or some1 link it i guess
scarlet sequoia
unlucky
cloud lichen
i have a problem, i have 32 crit 16 haste 46 mastery but my dps is lower than other people
and they go haste crit
but sim is telling me to go mastery
crisp steppe
conflict and strife also has defensive bonus tho yeah
scarlet sequoia
only as major
crisp steppe
doesn't it just give flat vers on minor
crisp steppe
if theyre close enough I can see it 😛
arctic walrus
but they might change up your stat weights
rigid mango
@cloud lichen Just follow your sims 😄
arctic walrus
actually gimme 1 sec and i'll give you my string
cloud lichen
@zine the other rogue just showed me t hat with haste he's goin good
crisp steppe
and zaqul if you're delirium you have a lot of free haste. azshara potentially at the end I think. don't know what the essence of azeroth does never got it
cobalt pelican
haste isn't suddenly going to make you play better
hushed arrow
So if I understood correctly I should keep all my azerite 420+ ilvl so I can do different sets for different things; raid / m+ / pvp?
arctic walrus
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scarlet sequoia
im doing the full gem and enchant top gear sim atm so ill see if theyre better in about 2 hours
crisp steppe
lmao
rigid mango
@cloud lichen sims are personal, you can try to compare yours to others but you shouldn't base yours off of theirs
if you want to, link the sim and I can take a peek and see what's up
arctic walrus
you raid at all raz?
arctic walrus
smh I don't know much about any of y'all
dense cedar
That engineer thing isn't as good as I thought
arctic walrus
Do you have faith in me 
arctic walrus
facts
modest tendon
Do you believe what I say zine?
modest tendon
😛
rigid mango
nice filter lettuce
bleak spoke
Excuse me I used the r word
rigid mango
You did.
bleak spoke
I just read what people say and figure they’re worth listening to/talking about stuff with if they don’t say something r-word
arctic walrus
wetawd
rigid mango
I mix that with ctrl F
arctic walrus
@arctic walrus
bleak spoke
D:
bleak spoke
Always
modest tendon
I’m a casual 2 dayer 😛
rigid mango
Fair.
dense cedar
I have the knowledge but my execution is poor
rigid mango
Aint nagrand a french serv or smth?
bleak spoke
Man no matter how good I play I wonder if I’m missing something flagrantly obvious
modest tendon
Erm it’s everything
arctic walrus
Only world first raider opinions accepted here
rigid mango
Aight so english
modest tendon
Mostly English speaking
rigid mango
I just never see people from there ngl
bleak spoke
Like cuz when you play bad it’s obvious right
arctic walrus
I just notice all the little little details
bleak spoke
But when you play good, compared to other ppl at least it’s not
arctic walrus
and I just don't know if those contribute much
dense cedar
Depends on how sure of urself u are tbh
modest tendon
Most of the People in my guild are Europeans for sure with a few Brit’s mixed in 😛
bleak spoke
Like little inefficiencies yeah
dense cedar
Europeans with a few Brits mixed in
bleak spoke
Like all of it has to add up to a ton
dense cedar
So Europeans
rigid mango
I'd just assume I'd see them more often
dense cedar
rigid mango
Seeingas how we're both ally eu
bleak spoke
But at the same time it’s like idk if they’re wrong because I was punished by rng or if it was right because usually I wouldn’t be punished by rng
If that makes sense
modest tendon
I’m actually surprised we haven’t met in game yet zine, we are both ally eu assa rogues who like m+ 😛
rigid mango
dw
dense cedar
I miss order halls
rigid mango
All i do is boost now not push
modest tendon
Why is that?
dense cedar
@bleak spoke I honestly prefer to think its my fault
dense cedar
Cos if its something outside of my control it just feels fucking awful
bleak spoke
Man there’s some situations that are unclear though
bleak spoke
So let’s say you toxic blade and envenom and you get 4 points from muti but you’re at 80 energy
Do you pool and clip ep
Or do you just go for it
Because if you get good crit rng and lucid proc you get an extra env
Like
modest tendon
Heard horde side pugging is so much nicer especially if you can do it through the discord, I quite like pugging but last season I found it so hard to find groups above 19s it sucked man
dense cedar
i usually wait till is at 1
bleak spoke
Stuff like that
dense cedar
since I'm already not fitting in another Env
bleak spoke
But you can
But let’s say you’re high energy in 2t and you tb’d and env’d and muti’d and you sit at 3
Do you crossdot to refresh garrote and hope you repoison
Or do you muti again and clip ep
Like
arctic walrus
Maybe I do play bad but get carried by gear
bleak spoke
You can do all of these kinds of things like 100 times but the answer doesn’t get any more clear
dense cedar
I feel like at some point the variance of damage accounts to these 2 action evening out tbh
arctic walrus
Yea like a whole night on one boss and not two pulls would be the same
bleak spoke
My favorite boss last tier had to be stormwall
And messing with how I played the Tb when they jumped boats and I had dots on both
There were so many variations
wispy plover
hey quick question, wowhead says lucid is best major but sims say life force, i have rank 3 both
modest tendon
Trust sim
dense cedar
Life force
bleak spoke
Sim
wispy plover
thank yall
bleak spoke
Idk I think it’s why I love raid assa though
dense cedar
Assassination fun
I know im fucking up
but at the same time
I'm doing better than people around me
and it makes me feel weird
bleak spoke
Most classes just slap their buttons as fast as possible and either they crit or they didn’t
iron heath
!sim us/magtheridon/brandx
dense cedar
but performing worse
and that hurts my head
I honestly have a hard time wondering if I did well or got lucky
!sim us/frostmourne/daish
bleak spoke
Last tier I think it was more clear
dense cedar
Idk what last tier was like unfortunately
bleak spoke
I tracked mutilates cast with envenom buff on
And that basically told you how well you played DD
And then envenoms in vs out of Tb etc
rigid mango
I stuck an EP WA on my UI
So I saw it all the time
and auto played accordingly after a while
bleak spoke
Like any time I ever got over 90% mutis cast with env buff on it was an easy 99
bleak spoke
I had some r1s that turned into wipes where there was like 92% mutis w/buff up
Errr I mean before it leaves you should hard refresh
bleak spoke
But there’s a pretty good chance by the time you get there it’ll be gone
Just get cp from poison knife or something
cloud lichen
@zine https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oZ7J71eHMbZFpbc2P1fqwB as before, if u or some1 has time to help me it would be really appreciated
broken crypt
oh man i got yelled at for shadowstepping cuz it puts you right in the middle of boss
get felt up
bleak spoke
I like to sit on puffer channeling font
rigid mango
I'll check it in a second
bleak spoke
Man just ignore them and step and swim diagonally up or down from where you step to
dense cedar
I usually Garrote > Rupture > Build CP on the puffer
than ruptire > Garrote behemoth
broken crypt
2nd platform is easier, my shadowstep will get to boss faster than everyne else so its nice
bleak spoke
Just go to the boss and demand a grip
bleak spoke
I’ve never actually gotten one
dense cedar
Its just stuff like that
where i can't tell if im playing wrong or its a gear thing
cos
bleak spoke
I get warlock portals I demand though usually haha
bleak spoke
I’d say if you have competitive but not bis gear on every fight just doing your job you can parse Orange usually
dense cedar
I just don't know how big the between platforms downtime plays into it
bleak spoke
There are some exceptions but like
bleak spoke
Behemoth isn’t one of them
dense cedar
im 426 in raid lol
dense cedar
im not too interested in my parse rn
just reaching my own benchmark
cos in some fights i can get close enough to my sim
but in some fights it feels way lower than it should
broken crypt
its funny cuz when we do mekka farm i destroy em all
dense cedar
even if there isn't too much movement
broken crypt
gimmick ass benthics
bleak spoke
I didn’t want to farm them out but I did
bleak spoke
I’d never let someone have a competitive advantage over me just because of grunt work
strange python
So what's our bis third minor at 65? I'm using Life Force and lucid dreams atm
worldvein in raids, but in m+?
royal lantern
looks like iris is good
dense cedar
its best to sim it
broken crypt
iris
rigid mango
Strife/iris/flames
bleak spoke
Sim it when you get there but iris flames and strife look competitive
bleak spoke
Worldvein for pure patchwork with enough friends with worldvein
dense cedar
I'm at the point where my gear isn't gonna get much better outside of random warforging or doing harder content
strange python
every boss in ep is pathwork
broken crypt
damn 52k son!?
dense cedar
I just need to perform better with waht I already have
scarlet sequoia
@arctic walrus mine is at 71% 😄
i didnt sim with the rings tho
doesnt seem like theyre better anyways
broken crypt
lol whats with the gems
bleak spoke
Means his statweights are very even
But yeah idk
@strange python yeah but if you have to move away and continue patchwerking then it’s hecked
So like most of them
steady owl
what would say is the most realistic sim fight style and lenght for simming dps againts packs of mobs in dungeons? i try using hectic add cleave 40 sec but i do more than twice as much if i increase the fight lenght to 1 min. how can 20 sec make such a difference?
bleak spoke
Patchwerk 6t 40s for tyrannical and 60s for fort
tardy phoenix
how are people using coral + font, I presume if vendetta is coming off of CD and font is ready you would prefer font over coral, but do you try to delay your vanish+ma window until you're able to use your coral stacks assuming you'll finish that within vendetta?
bleak spoke
Dungeon slice if you’re unsure
arctic walrus
You're ahead of me by 600 dps
dense cedar
like I feel like my gear isn't that bad
arctic walrus
when I get 65*
bleak spoke
Wait @arctic walrus don’t you two literally have pretty much the same gear lol
arctic walrus
He has better cloak, pants, and rings
steady owl
Patchwerk 6t?
arctic walrus
closes the gap
dense cedar
6 targets
steady owl
oh thanks 🙂
bleak spoke
Is your azerite actually better than his
I still feel like if I had a choice I’d run that setup
scarlet sequoia
considering i have bis azerite i dont think so
dense cedar
Is 38.5k good for 428?
arctic walrus
You close to killing azshara at all raz
scarlet sequoia
no we've had 1½ hour on her so far 😄
dense cedar
anyone able to answer my question?
scarlet sequoia
its not incredible no @dense cedar
bleak spoke
It’s middle of the road
dense cedar
I've only equipped dps upgrades regardless of ilvl
scarlet sequoia
yes ilvl is more or less irrelevant
dense cedar
so its not like i equipped gear to make the ilvl buff
modest tendon
Link a sim
bleak spoke
Are you guys killing her tonight
arctic walrus
Unless everyone decides to throw for 4 hours
bleak spoke
I believe in you ;-;
arctic walrus
arctic walrus
Someone used drums :^)
bleak spoke
That is
crisp steppe
bleak spoke
Oh my god nooo man
arctic walrus
on third add :^ )
steady owl
patchwerk 6 bosses 40 sec makes me do 122k dps, that cant be right
scarlet sequoia
youre simming with lust and everything
distant lava
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distant lava
yes
quasi pewter
@arctic walrus kill it already
arctic walrus
Why u bully me
solid nova
Not the place for that no
solid nova
Not here 
potent fossil
Hey guys which trinkets is bis now
tame adder
tribal marlin
if you have multiple socketed benthic at 415 ilvl, it's better to upgrade other pieces first to 425 since ilvl increase proc dmg.
boots bonus will always be 3% crit dmg, so that +10 ilvl only give you like +30 agi and +3 secondary. But +10 ilvl on the bracers for exemple will increase proc dmg from like 7.5k to 9.5k
daring iron
ah makes sense
dense cedar
On Blackwater Behemoth should it take my an entire minute into the fight to be using the blast active on mechagon trinket?
placid kindle
u guys know if i can get eternal ornaments from the raid if i cleared it, but i just started my questline?
bleak spoke
No use cyclotronic between your opening vendetta and second tb
dull osprey
mfw when I run droptimizer and there is only one azerite chest that is a downgrade from my 420 current one and I spend the residuum to gamble and get the very same one
restive smelt
You can get them on each difficulty, but not from a cleared raid. If you cleared heroic, you need to re-clear next week for the ornaments
dense cedar
even if i overcap a bunch?
bleak spoke
Yes
bleak spoke
It’s very high damage per execute time
tardy ether
does toxic blade also amplify inkpod dmg?
distant lava
no
tardy ether
aight
hazy canyon
faint harness
ya
bleak spoke
Make toxic blade buff all nature damage 😡
Make toxic blade buff all nature damage 😡
Actually that would be a terrible idea because it would mean I would have to spend my weekends exchanging fisticuffs with the jadefire masters for the chance of a forged yulons :vomit:
rigid mango
It'd also mean inkpod would be changed from nature damage 
bleak spoke
I mean honestly I don’t see the problem with an interaction like that
Is it cheesy and op? Kinda
But it’s still pretty cool
raw oasis
For m+ and with 2x EB, how many targets for Fan of Knives spam?
bleak spoke
2 with no prio
rigid mango
Less about target count more about prio target count
If you have something that is much higher hp wise it's more worthwhile (time wise, possibly not overall wise) to weave in envenoms
dull osprey
Simmed the 445 chest I got for sin and outlaw and its a downgrade for both. Cool game
rigid mango
Blight?
dull osprey
Yeah
woeful minnow
My 420 gorak is very significantly better than the 445 shoulders I rolled
rigid mango
woeful minnow
Sanguine monstrosity 
tribal marlin
if you do quick maths 1 FoK is dealing 1.5xFoK + min(0.5xTarget_count,5)xEB per target assuming 50% crit chance
rigid mango
Just add in your own % to that equation ig
tribal marlin
yes so you can quickly compare when it's worth using envenom or not purely dmg wise
rigid mango
I mean that's also assuming you don't have a prio target
tribal marlin
yes it's just purely dmg wise
if you need to check dmg wise your your own value of fok/eb dmg and crit chance, at how many target it should be worth stop using env
tribal marlin
Yes pool before using envenom
severe sedge
any more detailed guide?
tribal marlin
Just take a treshold, I personnaly use 120-130. There are 2 situation :
- You don't have to reresh rupture within the next TB. So you do Env -> 2xMut and pool again to treshold.
- You have to refresh rupture after the envenom so you do Env -> 2xMut -> Rupt ->2xMut and pool again to treshold.
bleak spoke
Your goal in a static encounter is to reorder your rotation and delay it so you give yourself the highest chance of casting as many envenoms in your toxic blade windows
tribal marlin
By doing this correctly you ensure you will do most of your mutilate inside envenom windows increasing DD proc dmg.
bleak spoke
You need to do this while following some important rules - using your cooldowns on cd and not letting dots drop off
Your other goal is to maximize casts of mutilate while you’re affected by the envenom buff or, if possible, elaborate planning
If you hit something with this in mind in a way the pooling and your casts will suddenly become obvious in regards to whether they’re accurately timed
And the meters will reflect that
raw oasis
I'm having trouble prioritizing abilities on 4-5 targets for m+. Firstly on open, is it smarter to get 3x subterfuge garrotes off and waste the extra combo points or to simply garrote 2x > rupture> non-subt-garrote?
bleak spoke
3 garrotes into rupture
Your first three garrotes will do more damage than anything else you can do with the wasted cp
marble elm
A true chad would do 3 garrote into crimson tempest
bleak spoke
Big true
raw oasis
I can't tell if you're serious or not?
bleak spoke
I played with a rogue a few nights ago playing the stat redistribution punchcard and ct
next reef
if I share my logs and sim can someone help me figure out why i am doing 8k less then my sim?
bleak spoke
And he flew on the meters
next reef
tribal marlin
Are you using Greater Flask of the current, using 2xPotion, food and augment ?
Do you have Battle shout, mytic touch and chaos brand ?
bleak spoke
I mean his opener is wrong
Which indicates to me that there might be the chance the rest of his rotation is inaccurate
tribal marlin
maybe it is I didn't check, but making sure you have all possible buff first to better value how much dps difference there is between sims and gameplay
marble elm
Why did you lust at 4 mins
next reef
Greater Flask of the current Yes, using 2xPotion i fucked up and didnt use a second one, food and augment yes
marble elm
On the first boss
next reef
i dunno can't control questionable decisions of my shammy
bleak spoke
Just bring drums
marble elm
Honestly just drums
bleak spoke
Loool
marble elm
Cause that is wack
bleak spoke
Bring drums and stop bringing the shaman 
tribal marlin
so basically without even looking at rotation you're probably 2-3k behind your sim with no 2nd pot and no lust on pull
bleak spoke
Especially with no lust on prepot
next reef
ok, that makes sense but I feel like i am still clearly fucking something else up on my end to be that far behind
bleak spoke
Given it scales with haste
Look at the pins and try to emulate the rotation
On the ravenholdt website
Using vendetta before you apply your bleeds isn’t advised
tribal marlin
You opener isn't correct tho, you forget to apply garrote and you should use Vendetta after you applied dots.
You often do 3xMut in a row which is not correct, you should use finisher with 4+ cp. Be carefull while spamming button :D
You are using coral too often. Coral should be used with vendetta only. Basically you press it with vendetta, then re apply it after vendetta end and only re-use it with next vend.
And finally dots uptime could be better too, I think that's pretty much all.
wet ruin
@tribal marlin regarding your fok over envenom equation above, do you take elaborate planning into account?
next reef
thank you all
wet ruin
cuz it might be worth using envenom/rupture to get it