assassination

[rigid mango]

never heard of him

[bronze kelp]

Of nacoo?

[rigid mango]

ye

[zenith gust]

i linked it but was erased by mod right now

[bronze kelp]

Sometimes plays with seli high keys

[rigid mango]

I'm not shocked.

[zenith gust]

basically he's saying HB and CT is way better than PB, cuz PB is shit

[bronze kelp]

https://raider.io/characters/eu/nagrand/Notnacoo

[rigid mango]

I mean

Seli did the mahts on HB being worse

[zenith gust]

never seen him play with seli tbh

and i watch both stream

[rigid mango]

Good players cna still have dumb/wrong opinions

[zenith gust]

sure

[shut pasture]

ok i ahve found it

i have a question

in m+ when you open up

what if 3 seconds are not enough to dot everything up with garrote

do you restealth to garrote everything else too?

[shut garnet]

in that window from stealth you should be able to get 3 targets with iron wire proc

and 1 extra just with SS and it'll put it on cd obvs

if you vanish you can get up to 7

[shut pasture]

what if there are more than 7 targets?

no garrote?

[shut garnet]

but its more energy efficient to just garrote 3, then do fok + rupture

but once you have rupture of 4 targets

you should just be spamming FoK and envenoms

tbf if the pack is >7 its probably a dps loss to envenom rather than just spam FoK at that point

[shut pasture]

I guess envenom on priority target right?

[shut garnet]

ye

[shut pasture]

assa is so much more complex than outlaw

[shut garnet]

works really well on packs of 4 tbh

[shut pasture]

[shut garnet]

garroting all of them, applying rupture then just fok evenom

[shut pasture]

really need to play the spec to learn it

not just outlaw Flurry LUL

[shut garnet]

but yeah with 3EB if you just spam FoK on +7 targets u should get like 100k dps xddd

true LUL outlaw

[plucky stream]

@shut garnet If i dont have x3 FoK and x3 Garrote traits, what are some good alternatives i should be shooting for?

[rigid mango]

ttk

[shut garnet]

eeeeh x3 SS isnt really that necessary

so long as youve got 1

[true nexus]

i mean if you dont have access to EB you could go st for tyranical

[shut garnet]

but yeah ttk

[true nexus]

ttk, np

[rigid mango]

not np.,

[true nexus]

its bad but i mean youll do boss dps

[shut garnet]

thays the issue with assa its rly gear dependant

[rigid mango]

Np isn't good in m+

[calm bough]

What potions should we use for single target?

[plucky stream]

I can get something like x2 EB x1 SS x2 TTK and x1 NP

[rigid mango]

It has very niche uses and isn't widely reocmmended

[shut garnet]

unbridled fury

or whatever

its stupid op

[rigid mango]

You're better off looking for 2/2/2

If possible

[plucky stream]

x2 EB x2ttk x2 SS @rigid mango ??

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[plucky stream]

Ok ill look into it.,

[shut pasture]

Is double dose worth in m+?

[shut garnet]

i know seliathan normally goes 3EB and 1SS or 3TTK and 1SS in some

[rigid mango]

One of the worst traits

[shut garnet]

but hes pretty next level

so if you have

[rigid mango]

Seli runs 3 eb in fort keys

[shut garnet]

the gear

[rigid mango]

Of specific usages

[shut garnet]

and time to learn like

Which dgs and which weeks you need ehich in

[weary loom]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[shut garnet]

Its pretty good

[rigid mango]

It's not just your every day setup for him, not anymore atleast

[shut garnet]

yeah he did say its very dependant on week dg etc

There isnt really an overall best assa setup anymore

but 2/2/2 seems solid

[rigid mango]

There hasn't been one since s2 released

Assa has always been like this for the entirity of s2 and now s3

[plucky stream]

One last question, how good is scent of blood?

[rigid mango]

Bad

[shut garnet]

LUL

[rigid mango]

Very underwhelming and mediocre

[weary loom]

if i'm running 2 nothing personal traits should i use visions or raid essence?

[rigid mango]

In your every dungeon use, probably better than both dd and np

Visions is atrocious

Don't use it.

[plucky stream]

Rip, looks like ill have to wait for some new pieces before i can swap out my outlaw set for sin in keys..

[cobalt pelican]

it's a lot easier to decide your gear setup when you play solely in environments where you know what your pulls will be

and what your role is

if you're pugging keys just get any mix of reasonable gear and press your keys

[weary loom]

Sometimes it procs 2-3 times b4 vendetta get back

[rigid mango]

Doesn't mean it's good

It's horrendous, don't use it

🤢

Generally, if you're pugging keys 2/2/2 will always work

[shut pasture]

double assa worth or nah

[rigid mango]

It's good for sure

[shut garnet]

good but why not go double outlaw LUL

[rigid mango]

Sin is currently a very potent spec so

[calm bough]

best pieces for 2/2/2?

[true nexus]

hows meticulous scheming? never saw it before and rolled it today

[rigid mango]

Really bad

[weary loom]

hmm i guess i'm running full single

[shut pasture]

@shut garnet post nerf assa is prolly better, no?

[rigid mango]

Nah

outlaw still better

[shut pasture]

huh

[chilly marsh]

anyone know how i can sim teh 2% benthic for Aberrations ?

[shut pasture]

really?

[true nexus]

tyranical week i feel like sin gets some value no

[rigid mango]

Outlaw does +- same

[shut pasture]

how so

30% nerf

pretty hefty

[rigid mango]

They're stupidly bropken

[shut garnet]

utility

[calm bough]

I've got 2 DD, 2 NP, 2 SS at the moment, will that be okay for tyrannical week?

[shut garnet]

dmg

Thts why

[shut pasture]

wouldnt assa be +- better damage

[warped willow]

well, theyre still broken, just 33% less broken

[shut pasture]

than outlaw

[shut garnet]

well

[shut pasture]

isn't only utility outlaw has on assa is gouge?

[shut garnet]

and stuns

[sour wasp]

ranged stun, hook

[shut garnet]

and insane AoE

on packs outlaw is king dps

On st it isnt too far behind assa

[rigid mango]

Sin does more damage

😄

[shut pasture]

[shut garnet]

ppl have started playing outlaw> assa in EP lmao

dumb spec

[cobalt pelican]

hwat

[shut garnet]

its rly strong

[rigid mango]

????

[shut pasture]

reaaaally doubt that it's worth staying outlaw

just damage wise

and you can play around not having BtE

or gouge

[rigid mango]

tf do u mean people starting to play outlaw over sin in raid

[sour wasp]

lmao

[shut garnet]

warcraftlogs rates it above sin

lol

[rigid mango]

:kekkw

[sour wasp]

assa shits on outlul on st

[rigid mango]

aight

I'm out

cya

[sour wasp]

nt outlaw nerds 😃

[cobalt pelican]

let me get my spectacles

and read these barcharts

[rigid mango]

The reason outlaw is better is a rotational stun that applies prey, gouge, vanish on lower cd and being able to use it without losing any dps

It has a near perfect damage profile for current m+

[shut pasture]

post nerf assa should pull ahead

for real

[rigid mango]

No.

[shut pasture]

15% is a LOT

[rigid mango]

not about dthe dmg

[noble vale]

getting a cephalohide 445 after using a 420 mekk chest this whole time ❤

thanks RNGesus

[shut garnet]

it got nerfed before and ppl said the same thing

:p

[shut pasture]

what do you mean it's not about the dmg

[rigid mango]

TRhat wasn't a nerf tho

[shut pasture]

when you are doing 15% less overall and 33% less aoe it's noticeable

[shut garnet]

ofc it is

[rigid mango]

Do you not realise

[shut pasture]

and stun+gouge isn't that big

[shut garnet]

But still rly good

lol

[rigid mango]

outlaws strength isn't from dps

[harsh sphinx]

[rigid mango]

it's from utility + it

[shut pasture]

yes

[cobalt pelican]

don't think anyone said outlaw would be significantly worse after the previous wits change, some people predicted a bigger falloff with the removal of reaping but ye

[shut pasture]

you can have all the utility in the world

but if you can't do enough damage to kill 100% of the trash and the bosses in time

it still is a dead key

[shut garnet]

but they can

thats the thing

[cobalt pelican]

idk if you think outlaw is going to do 0 dmg or something

[shut pasture]

post nerf I don't really know about that dude

[cobalt pelican]

it'll still do comparable if not better dmg than sin on most pack sizes

[shut garnet]

15% of dealing 150k on a pack of 8

[rigid mango]

Like

[shut garnet]

is noticeable but

[rigid mango]

we're back to late season 2

outlaw does less damage than an optimised sin

but has way more utility

thus still arguably better

[shut pasture]

stuns and 1 gouge is not way more utility

it's just a bit

[rigid mango]

It is.

It's a huge amount

[granite mist]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/250073873075273729/610917167084470289/unknown.png

That was posted in Outlaw forms today... Outlaw is fine.

[rigid mango]

Stun as in applies prey

No one cares about ur dps

that's low as fuck anyways

[cobalt pelican]

being able to solo handle a mob in a pack is pretty valuable

[shut pasture]

applies what

[cobalt pelican]

if you don't even know what the class talents are why bother arguing :thinkyface:

[granite mist]

Not my damage @zine but thanks for being a smartass. Just showing that Outlaw dmg is still fine.

[jagged tulip]

What would bis sin raid traits be?

Assuming you play sin on all fights

[rigid mango]

You're using anecdotal evidence to prove balance

Don't find that to be a valid argument

[shut garnet]

3 Doubledose

3 overwhelming power

then just whayever probably lmao

[rigid mango]

We should really make a PSA pin in sin

telling fotm rerollers outlaw is still fine

[shut garnet]

NP is ok i guess?

for raid st

TTK is good

[rigid mango]

Yeah it's really good, as a one of atlast

[jagged tulip]

I’m not rolling to sin from outlaw :p

[rigid mango]

Not saying you are

saying a bunch of people are

[jagged tulip]

I’ve just only played sin in dungeons and starting to raid now

That’s true

Are the outlaw nerds even that massive

[shut pasture]

outlaw damage really carried my m+ runs lately

[shut garnet]

If u have 3DD 2TTK 1NP and 3 Overwhelming

Thats probably

perfect

[clever shadow]

whats the weak auras command?

[shut pasture]

[cobalt pelican]

they're pretty sizable nerfs but the spec was pretty sizably ahead of everyone else so

[shut garnet]

given u got perfect statweights too

Prob

[jagged tulip]

Alright thanks

[edgy pawn]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[clever shadow]

ty I didn't see it in the pins

[edgy pawn]

There you go

[cobalt pelican]

the base template for azerite gear is still zaq/gorak/ceph with blackwater chest being interchangable so

[sour wasp]

get mizerok's wa so the poor guy can eat today

[cobalt pelican]

3dd1ttk1np1bbi3op

[jagged tulip]

Would 3 DD be the most important then?

[rigid mango]

It's very good, yeah

[cobalt pelican]

dd is just the most available very good trait

like if you try going 3np you end up

[jagged tulip]

Aight cool

[cobalt pelican]

with shitty inner traits

or shitty 2nd outer traits

dd usually comes on pieces with op and something tolerable

[shut garnet]

whats zaq

[weary loom]

ceph chest?

[shut garnet]

@cobalt pelican

[rigid mango]

zaqul

cephalohide

[shut garnet]

o head from zaqul

[jagged tulip]

Sounds good thanks all!

Gonna have to see what I can put together tonight

[sour wasp]

guys can you pray i get ceph chest tomorrow?

[clever shadow]

I'm at 3 dd 2 np 2 ttk but just 1 op (2 gutrippers 😦 )

[sour wasp]

i need the collective energy of all the nerds here

[noble vale]

i am giving you my ceph energy

[rigid mango]

O_o

[weary loom]

well i got gorak =\

[noble vale]

im sending it to you

ok wait no take his goral tuls energy

its way better

[sour wasp]

zine stop the ss plz

[cobalt pelican]

i'm getting my goraks tomorrow : - }

[sour wasp]

sass*

[rigid mango]

@cobalt pelican hf with ur sanguine monst and mydas

[clever shadow]

I've gotten 7 spaulders of sanguine monstrosity in a row now

Im hopeful

[cobalt pelican]

no

[jagged tulip]

I have 430 goraks 😄

[sour wasp]

i already got gorak

[rigid mango]

yes (:

[sour wasp]

mydas

[rigid mango]

Already gotten one

Can't wait for another one tomorrow

[shut garnet]

forever hoping for 445 gorak and ceph

[weary loom]

i got 440 inkpod =X

[rigid mango]

Why ceph when blackwater is better

[sour wasp]

isn't blackwater ss/ttk?

[rigid mango]

loyal ttk op

And loyal is stuuupid stron

[sour wasp]

no dd tho

i want my dd's

[shut garnet]

true

[rigid mango]

[polar cape]

dont we all

[sour wasp]

zine, show me your dd's

😃

[rigid mango]

I prefer damage

(:

[shut garnet]

and chest without ss/eb/ttk cant go 2/2/2 with

:^)

[sour wasp]

that toxic "(:"

[shut garnet]

he cant be toxic

[sour wasp]

zine is a drama queen

[shut garnet]

his profile pic is a pacifist

[rigid mango]

I like to call it passive agressive

o_O

[shut garnet]

r r r rank1

[rigid mango]

ok people talking too much about pfp time to change again

[jagged tulip]

So if I have the 430 mechagon helm and goraks should I just roll on chest pieces until ceph?

And pray I get zaq helm?

[rigid mango]

Depends if you're raiding or not

[jagged tulip]

I am ye

Atleast heroic full clears

Possibly first few mythic bosses

[rigid mango]

Then the chest from blackwater is BiS granted you have enough other loyal users in your raidteam

[jagged tulip]

Ohh is loyal actually good

[rigid mango]

Insanely so

[jagged tulip]

Oh damn what does it do again?

I kind of just neglected it thinking it was garbage ngl

[tribal marlin]

It just give flat mastery

[red plaza]

gives you mastery up to 4 allies

[icy ember]

how is it at low stacks/if noone is using loyal?

[jagged tulip]

Oh shit

[red plaza]

and no range bs like worldvein

so you don't have to worry about stacking/movement

[jagged tulip]

That’s nuts

[rigid mango]

Loyal is quite meh if no one else is using it

[red plaza]

@icy ember when I was simming myself it lost out to NP at 1 stack. 2 stacks of it was +50-100dps and max stacks was a 550dps increase

[rigid mango]

If you an guarantee 4 others, it's real good

[polar shale]

it does have a maximum range,but its high enough it shouldnt be an issue on most bosses

[rare pond]

just to make sure I understand sin rotation, after opener, I keep up rup/garrote, use cd's when they come up, and try to fit in as many envenoms in toxic blade as I can?

[quiet forge]

Do you guys have any tips for logs on court?

[desert vault]

Think 3x ss, 1x eb, 1x blight, 1cx ttk would make any sense this week or just 3x ss, 2x ttk 1x eb?

[quiet forge]

mostly for that do not repeat part

[rigid mango]

kick, step, cloak, evasion

All work off gcd

[quiet forge]

awesome!

[rare pond]

do you just alternate mut and poison knife?

[rigid mango]

no?

[red plaza]

@rare pond that's about right. it gets a little different with CD's once you get 2 on uses like coral/font/cyclonic but thats about right

[rigid mango]

Never poison knife

[rare pond]

I didn't realize it was that bad lol

[cobalt pelican]

poison knife is kinda inting

[forest leaf]

how should i go about using the Ashvane trinket during the opener? or wait till it builds a while

[red plaza]

and have it stack until next vendetta. assuming no font ofc

[cobalt pelican]

it does like 200 damage

and can't proc dd

[rare pond]

@red plaza ty!

[royal lantern]

you dont lose THAT much by getting the silence sooo.....

[red plaza]

i forget, does detection work?

[royal lantern]

ye

[red plaza]

oh it gcds tho

[nimble tinsel]

Just forces you to pool lmao

[sour wasp]

is the silence longer on mythic? not there yet ecks dee

[minor thicket]

hello all quick question when do you use font of power? and is it ideal to use font and coral if you have both?

[rigid mango]

Yes i t is

And look in #tc-updates for more info about the two

[quiet forge]

for zaqul logs ignore the adds in the begining or nah?

I feel like they die just as i apply dots on them

[river hearth]

Crimson tempest or Poison Bomb? I am currently in a plus with a sin rogue running CT.

[low tapir]

Pretty sure someone said yesterday always PB

[rigid mango]

PB

Just always

[warm heart]

guys, I'm having problems with my stats. The raidbots is telling me to put more mastery, but I've seen ppl with very low mastery and a lot of crit. I tried to put more crit, but it didn't help my damage, it was like 26% crit

[rigid mango]

Follow top gear

[warm heart]

I'm doing it. The stats I'm changing with gems and enchants

[rough agate]

Gear and essences change your stat prios

[plush relic]

Those people you saw, what were their talents and traits, essences?. Maybe they simmed themselves and crit worked better for them but that's not for you.

[daring cave]

Whats a good chest piece to look for ST

[warm heart]

I think they were using lucid dream and blood of the enemy

[nimble tinsel]

Both Lucid and BotE as major essence can heavily swing stat priority. Your best bet as Zine said is to just follow top gear for what you currently have available.

[warm heart]

my ilvl is 429 and my rogue does 21k dps without burst. Is this normal?

[civic palm]

Like in a raid or?

[warm heart]

mythic+

I think it's not that better in raid either

[civic palm]

There's no burst for SIN in M+ so I am not sure what you are doing.

[warm heart]

I'm talking about vendetta

[civic palm]

Yes, I assumed as much.

I am also assuming your traits are poor for M+.

[warm heart]

I'm using elaborate planning, subterfuge, vigor, toxic blade and poison bomb

[civic palm]

Seems fine for talent selection.

[modest tendon]

What azerite traits are you using?

[warm heart]

lucid dream level 2 as major and blood of the enemy lvl 2 as minor

[civic palm]

A Z E R I T E T R A I T S

Not essences.

[warm heart]

oh

sorry

lemme see

[rigid mango]

sin is very trait dependant, so that'll matter a lot

[nimble tinsel]

Tod, if you have a link to a raidbots top gear that would likely expedite getting you suggestions.

[civic palm]

This is reminding me of the people in Legion that called Relics ARTIFACTS and were impossible to get information out of.

[plucky stream]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3QF8GNgpeD8HX4WZQTtueB So this is my setup right now, best traits i can find, thoughts on keys 17+???

Wrong Essence btw^^^^^

[pastel lichen]

Which azerite piece should I be gambling for?

[warm heart]

I have 2 double doses, 1 nothing personal, 1 twist of the knife, 1 scent of blood, 2 unstable flames and 1 overwhelming power

[pastel lichen]

Is there an accepted best piece?

[civic palm]

1 of those are good for M+

[oblique jackal]

is 3 DD still the best?

[rigid mango]

yep

[civic palm]

2 DD are useless, NP is useless, Scent of Blood is almost useless.

[modest tendon]

And there we have it, you need at least 1 ss and 1 eb for it to be viable

[civic palm]

Twist the Knife is fine, and the UF and OP are good.

[rigid mango]

wdym 2 dd is useless

oh

m+

nvm

get it away from me

[modest tendon]

Roll for gear that gives you either ss/eb or ttk/eb

The raid will give you ss/ttk gear

That’s the pieces you need to look for

[devout gazelle]

Guys we should use tb and then vendeta for optimal usage or doesnt matter?

[subtle tundra]

has no AOE traits WHY AM I DOING NO AOE DAMAGE REEEEEEEEEE

[harsh sphinx]

[devout gazelle]

i mean to buff NP from bonus nature dmg of tb into vendeta

[rigid mango]

You want to use tb with vendetta, yeah

[civic palm]

Note that the way you should be thinking about M+ is that ~70% of the total DMG is done through AoE, with ST (usually boss damage) being the remainder.

[modest tendon]

Your cooldowns all need to line up so you can vanish,vendetta and tb at the same time

[civic palm]

So going into an AoE scenario with ST traits is going to gimp you to an extreme degree.

[modest tendon]

Pool some energy as well so you can get as many envenoms in as possible

[warm heart]

I'm very noob with those traits

[civic palm]

Easy fix at least.

[plush relic]

You guys stacking 3 EB for m+? I'm using 2 atm

[civic palm]

Some of your gear might have M+ traits already.

[devout gazelle]

no i mean i can boost vendeta dmg from NP trait if i use tb before vendeta or doesnt matter?

[civic palm]

Look for Echoing Blades, Shrouded Suffocation, and Twist the Knife.

[rigid mango]

Vendetta doesn't snapshot

if that's what you're asking

[modest tendon]

Just focus on getting an ss and eb trait your damage will shoot up off that

Ttk is icing 😛

[rigid mango]

ttk aint for damage

[modest tendon]

It’s for control

Kill the right thing at the right time

[rigid mango]

Bingo

[modest tendon]

But ttk doesn’t make the spec work, ss and eb do 😛

[true nexus]

hey guys

i just started a m+ with full st traits instead of my 2/2/2 setup

kill me

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Sure, go to #subtlety with that bad idea.

That place is full of them.

[modest tendon]

Run back out and in quickly haha

[civic palm]

lol

[modest tendon]

My guild did an mdi type thing with 2 streams going and starting the keys at the same time, i checked everything except for my azerite traits haha

[warm heart]

thanks for the tips, guys. I'll try to fix my traits

[true nexus]

wait i couldve done that?

i though tyou got like locked to your gear/sepc

[modest tendon]

The customisability of assa azerite traits is a great strength of the spec tbh, it’s just a ball ache getting them all haha

You can run out then change

[prime geode]

guys if I use shrouded suffocation on 3 targets then I can vanish and apply it to another 3 targets ?

[civic palm]

Sure why not?

[modest tendon]

It doesn’t work like that dracul:P

[prime geode]

have heard something that it ovewrites the others ?

[modest tendon]

Pandemic

[true nexus]

wish i knew that just finished the dungeon

[modest tendon]

And empowered garrottes overwrite non empowered ones

But they don’t stack when you vanish an reapply

[cobalt pelican]

ya you can empowered garrote 6 targets

[prime geode]

I don't mean on same 3 targets

[modest tendon]

Oh sorry I miss read

[cobalt pelican]

it's not really ever worth it though unless it's a big, short life pack

since you'll end up having more bleeds than energy expenditure

it's probably better to just 3+rupt and then 3+rupt later in the packs life

[modest tendon]

Why not just blow it on a big pack for more deeps?

Depends on what adds you want to control I guess

[true nexus]

does a non emp garrote

fully overwrite an empowered one

[modest tendon]

Yes

I think

Ye it does

[heavy trail]

Anyone using the engineering helm for M+? how do hey find it ; I don't have an SS EB helm yet 😦 so might just make the 430 one of that if its decent

[oblique jackal]

finally got 3 DB 2 NB and 1 IB

[fleet whale]

?

[manic yew]

db and nb what now

[desert vault]

hmm, what m+ trinkets this week ... got 430s of font, coral, dice, and spyglass ... hmm

[shut garnet]

font and coral are best 2 just generally arent they?

[rigid mango]

font + spyglass imo

[desert vault]

font and coral sim best, yeah

and I was sort of thinking the same font and either spyglass/dice

I've not played much with font yet, just recently got it, so getting used to it a little

[shut garnet]

imagine having so much choice with trinkets while im stuck with mydas socketted feelsbadman

[subtle tundra]

isnt font in m+ awkward since it takes you out of stealth?

[rigid mango]

It is, but I think it's worth it

Just channel whilst last shit idies

Stealth, keep it going

[desert vault]

i'd be the overly careful type and only use it before boss pulls or if I could hang back from a pack and cast or something

that is a good way to use it as well, right as stuff dies, get a chunk of it on next trash pack

[shut garnet]

i thought coral would sim higher than font ngl

So u can go coral+font

[subtle tundra]

i just use plumage since its more convinient

[shut garnet]

That must be nuts on ST in m+

[rigid mango]

I feel like coral is evne more awk in m+

but that's just me

[sour wasp]

st in m+

[desert vault]

I just use coral on CD in M+ cause I'm lazy

cause I don't think there is a massive difference, at least no in the smaller 10-14s I usually run

will prolly run spyglass/dice on fort weeks, EB crits for days

[rigid mango]

Font just feels too good imo

[desert vault]

CLF or Iris this week for m+ I just got my CLF to r3, sort of feel like playing it, bored with Iris 😃

[shut garnet]

you probably need iris + 3EB + 440ilvl to get close to outlaw pack dmg LUL

[rigid mango]

CLF is really meh for m+

Iris is still your best bet

[modest tendon]

Why not go blood?

[faint quiver]

Hey guys, can anyone help me... how can i use the azshara font in my rotation?

[rigid mango]

I'm assuming he doesn't have it

[modest tendon]

Use it Before you pull

[desert vault]

yeah I don't have blood, I guess Iris is good this week really

[modest tendon]

And on windows where you can’t do significant damage

[faint quiver]

at pull? after my burst?

[rigid mango]

Use @ 5s on pull timer, repeat for each vendetta @faint quiver

[modest tendon]

Before burst

[faint quiver]

ty

[rigid mango]

You just use it 14-4 sec before vend

After first one

And ur fine

[faint quiver]

ty

[desert vault]

man, I want some mythic Blackwater chest for m+ ... almost want to waste 9k on a head to try and get some SS/Ttk love

[rigid mango]

Yeah man, must suck to not have it since first mythic clear

[civic palm]

Yaknow what they say about gambling.

[rigid mango]

Can't imagine how that feels

[shut garnet]

why what does blackwater have

[desert vault]

ss/ttk

and ttk/loyal for raid, just a strong piece all around

[shut garnet]

isnt it better to have 3dd?

[desert vault]

is there a skip to first boss in FH this week, anyone know?

[rigid mango]

Arguably BiS for both forms of content

[shut garnet]

for raid

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[civic palm]

Osnm'

wow

Isn't it better to have full 445's?

[rigid mango]

Close miz

[shut garnet]

i thought dd ttk was better than ttk loyal monkaS

[rigid mango]

Blackwater sims equal to cepha

But with the added function of if someone dies

The trair spikes in damage

Hence it's BiS, imo atleast

[shut garnet]

so cepha is bis too

right

if theyre identical

[rigid mango]

They're very similar sim wise, yeah

[shut garnet]

And i suppose YOUR dps spike for someone dying doesnt account for the loss of 30k avg dps or whatever they had right

[rigid mango]

Damage sways eirher way

[civic palm]

They shouldn't have died.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[rigid mango]

Ofc it doesn't, but realistically people die

[shut garnet]

true LUL

[rigid mango]

Also I need to make some dumbas die for me on reclears for logs

[civic palm]

Might as well make the best out of their death.

[rigid mango]

Need death on each vend for maximum value

[scarlet sequoia]

doesnt the loyal death buff last for like 2 seconds

[fervent jasper]

Question: for M+, I have 40% crit 15% haste, and 38% mastery (no vers at all). I know I'm supposed to drop some of that haste but I have 9 sockets on my gear and two 455 rings with sockets so its hard to replace gear. I have the option of running two overwhelming powers, or one overwhelming power and one unstable flames. Which should I do?

[rigid mango]

15s?

[marble elm]

its 15

[scarlet sequoia]

ah okay

[rigid mango]

See

I want one each vend for the luls

[marble elm]

sometimes people die in melee

and i just dont get the buff

though

[rigid mango]

I'd love to sim it with it

[shut garnet]

holy fuck thats some gear and a half

@fervent jasper how much do you sim

[fervent jasper]

In dungeon slice?

[shut garnet]

and patchwerk

[rigid mango]

He doesn't sim as much as @scarlet sequoia

[fervent jasper]

Idk I havent simmed since I got the correct azerite. I have all 435 pieces, no 445 so probably not as much as you think

[marble elm]

i got trophy today big uppie https://i.imgur.com/hoVMJrQ.jpg

[fervent jasper]

Does anyone know which of those traits I should take?

[rigid mango]

[drifting cloud]

gemhide, might aswell scrap it

[rigid mango]

Between op and other shit?

[fervent jasper]

Usually two OP would be better but I already have too much base haste so idk

[scarlet sequoia]

lying in wait ftw

bugged on radiance

so it always heals

[fervent jasper]

Two OPs or one OP and one unstable flames

[scarlet sequoia]

[rigid mango]

Op is my source of haste for ST

[fervent jasper]

When I have 15% crit

I mean 15% haste

[rigid mango]

When dropping all haste

[marble elm]

is it actually

lol

[scarlet sequoia]

yep

[marble elm]

that boss is so fucked

infinite shadowsteps week 1

now shadowstep just goes on cd and takes you nowhere

[fervent jasper]

For m+ exclusively

[marble elm]

unless they fixed that

[shut garnet]

is 10% haste low enough that you need 3 overwhelming

[fervent jasper]

No

[rigid mango]

I run 0 haste but neck and rely on op, lucid minor and 1 weap ench to keep my st up there

[scarlet sequoia]

i have 3 overwhelming and still run 25% haste

[rigid mango]

This is m+ raz

[scarlet sequoia]

oh

[rigid mango]

Shooo

[scarlet sequoia]

nvm

[shut garnet]

raz with 50k sim

[fervent jasper]

Should I run two OP if I have 15% haste in m+? I can't drop any haste without dropping crit cuz 9 sockets

So it is what it is rn

[rigid mango]

Yeah just run op

Smol diff anyways

[scarlet sequoia]

op is always the right choice 😄

[shut garnet]

how crazy is 9 sockets tho wtf

[rigid mango]

Not that crazy?

[drifting cloud]

maybe if the other option was unstable flames

[unreal perch]

dumb question, is life force basically just used on CD or are we trying to line it up at a specific point?

[drifting cloud]

everything else not worth

[rigid mango]

On cd

But align w vend if u wont lose cast

Minor dps increase from it

[unreal perch]

gotcha, thanks

getting it off Azshara tonight

[rigid mango]

very

[fervent jasper]

@drifting cloud the other option is flames

2 OP or one OP 1 flames

[drifting cloud]

its still probably not worth, but wouldnt be terrible

imo

[strange python]

what Major Traits to run for in M+? since after EU patch goes live I will drop my Outlaw.

[unreal perch]

honestly outlaw very well could still be better for M+

[strange python]

even on 17-19 keys?

[arctic walrus]

almost there boys

[unreal perch]

outlaw will still deal with trash better than assassin, even with the nerfs

[deft nymph]

are you the guy that the warrior discord smiley is named after

[unreal perch]

guess it kinda depends if you need more single target or more trash clear

[deft nymph]

@arctic walrus

feels like the difference between outlaw and sin on trash

is smaller than the difference on bosses

now

[quiet forge]

I had a 92 log on azshara and we wiped on 4% an on kill had only 79 😦

[unreal perch]

ya but on a lot of weeks trash takes more time than bosses

[arctic walrus]

Who

[unreal perch]

most weeks*

[drifting cloud]

every week*

[fervent jasper]

Doesnt 3x echoing beat outlaw on trash even pre nerf?

I heard it simmed higher idk

[drifting cloud]

no.

[light basin]

Can anyone help me out or give me tips for dueling fire mage?

[shut garnet]

how do you get 97 parses

I literally get like 40 feelsbadman

[cobalt pelican]

have more purps and play better

dam

ez

[unreal perch]

3 EB doesn't beat them, and even then you're gimping your ST anyways to run 3x EB

[shut garnet]

"play better" even tho i follow the basic rotation and tips

[unreal perch]

but like, nothing basically beat pre nerf outlaw for sustained aoe

[shut garnet]

kinda hard idk

[unreal perch]

there's a REASON they nerfed outlaws aoe

[deft nymph]

literally nothing unless it was like 40 mobs

[cobalt pelican]

you probably aren't following them very well

[deft nymph]

then UDK's win

[cobalt pelican]

thinking you're following them and actually following them are like different things

[shut garnet]

i mean i am

just bad gear

prob

[unreal perch]

other classes have more burst aoe, but not the sustained aoe

[tropic ocean]

@unreal perch idk what you are talking but 3eb assa already shit on outlaw on trash pre nerf

[unreal perch]

blade flurry is just nuts

[scarlet sequoia]

whos excited to open boxes tomorrow

[unreal perch]

no it didn't?

[scarlet sequoia]

455 weapon hell yeah

[tropic ocean]

yes it did

[unreal perch]

people wouldn't run 3x outlaw then...

[deft nymph]

i opened boxes today

440 version of the 445 pants i'm wearing reeeee

[unreal perch]

there'd be no reason to run outlaw over assassin if it "shit on outlaw"

[cobalt pelican]

how do you get excited to open boxes when you have everything already

you're like the rich kid at christmas

[tropic ocean]

you dont understand the reason outlaw is picked

[scarlet sequoia]

weekly disappointment 😄

[tropic ocean]

🤷🏿‍♂️

[shut garnet]

the fact that assa needs 3 azerite traits to compete with an outlaw 15sec cd

[deft nymph]

lol

[shut garnet]

says a lot

[scarlet sequoia]

im excited for the AP @cobalt pelican

[deft nymph]

i mean outlaw needs traits too

[unreal perch]

outlaw needed one trait

one keep your wits about you

[deft nymph]

but i'm really curious why it is that ausgelebt thinks that outlaw was brought

other than the fattest aoe dmg

[tropic ocean]

from a pure aoe dps perspective outlaw cant compete with eb

[shut garnet]

@scarlet sequoia whats ur ign

[scarlet sequoia]

razqt-ravencrest mate

eu

[deft nymph]

was it for gouge?

lol

[tropic ocean]

outlaw just has a very strong overall kit

[deft nymph]

that sweet sweet stun DR from BTE?

[tropic ocean]

Gouge good cleave 10% dmg inc stun

Vanish as utility tool

On demand aoe burst

[unreal perch]

Idk if you can count vanish that heavily since sin kinda gets it too lol

[tropic ocean]

the package is just very good

sin needs vanish for dps

Outlaw doesnt

[unreal perch]

I'll give you that one

[shut garnet]

@scarlet sequoia ur gear is fking nuts

[tropic ocean]

also the gearing is way easier for outlaw

[shut garnet]

how come u have so many haste sockets instead of crit tho

[unreal perch]

you're still absolutely the first person I've seen that 3x EB was better than outlaw aoe

[scarlet sequoia]

i did what the sim told me to do @shut garnet

[unreal perch]

like outlaw was nuts for aoe damage

[shut garnet]

and what do u sim to get that

Like

[light basin]

Anyone here duel or play pvp at all? no on ever talks in the pvp chat

[tropic ocean]

it still is

[shut garnet]

Where can u see what stats u need more of

[scarlet sequoia]

top gear

u just check all gems

[tropic ocean]

Just 3 eb is higher

[shut garnet]

tyvm

[scarlet sequoia]

you need premium to do it tho

[tropic ocean]

🤷🏿‍♂️

[civic palm]

EB vs. BF is entirely based on time spent.

[manic yew]

top gear is not giving me any input on enchants, and im pretty sure i have the settings right

[civic palm]

EB wins over time, BF wins in burst.

[deft nymph]

wtf are these smilies you keep posting

[civic palm]

You do not have the settings correct.

[deft nymph]

@manic yew tick the box for replace existing?

[manic yew]

yes

my simc string was fucked, fixed it nvm

[desert vault]

man today is my day for rings ... 445 haste/mastery from chest, 445 haste/crit from FH

kind of need some M+ rings now ... go figure

[unreal perch]

well, my M+ box gave me a ring that's... 130dps gain :/ thanks vers...

[fleet whale]

a gain is a gain

[unreal perch]

true

[fleet whale]

plus more stam

is always a plus

[unreal perch]

better than my priests 50dps gain belt

[desert vault]

two best stats for m+ are crit > mast > vers or crit > vers > mast?

[fleet whale]

vers and mast aren't too far a part just try to get a ton of crit

[desert vault]

yeah i need some crit rings for sure

[shut garnet]

is 40crit 15 haste 35 mastery sorta ideal

[fleet whale]

for what

[unreal perch]

quick question, how is the engi helmet for sin? never looked into it

[shut garnet]

m+

[fleet whale]

and the helm is decent, i see a handful using it on rankings

[tropic ocean]

tbf itemlevel got some more value with higher keys

I was using 400s socketed cuz it was highest dps

But switched fast to 440 when 280k freehold first boss 1shot me

😋

[desert vault]

I just need to farm some crit rings ...

[fleet whale]

Siege has two crit rings

one with crit mast, another with crit haste

[unreal perch]

farming siege is not something I wanted to hear lol

[fleet whale]

yeah, and don't bother this week

[desert vault]

yeah i have the 430 cirt/haste

[fleet whale]

ran a 14 and it sucked

[tropic ocean]

@shut garnet for m+?

[desert vault]

this week in siege ... nope

[unreal perch]

oh I didn't even look at affixes

and now I did

[fleet whale]

not just that, emissary spawns are terrible

[unreal perch]

ew...

double ew

[desert vault]

that shrine ring is good, but that means running shrine which is so bad

[fleet whale]

you actually have to fight on the boat between the first and second boss

[unreal perch]

I don't mind shrine personally, depends on the week

[desert vault]

ew, 29 crit, 19 haste, 39 mastery for my current m+ that is lazy, no regemming/enchats

[jolly garden]

What is Bis Chest piece for St rn?

[tropic ocean]

Need way more crit if you want to pump

[desert vault]

Ceph

[tropic ocean]

@jolly garden cephalohide but behemoth is very good too

[jolly garden]

dope asf, ty

[fleet whale]

i'm stuck with the warfront chest but it isn't that bad

[unreal perch]

oh, the engi helm is a 1400 dps gain for me atm :/

how badly do I want to level engi lol

[fleet whale]

you have to deal with the weirdness of your camera shifting when using eng helm

just fyi

[unreal perch]

hmm

[vocal lion]

Best prepot for raid?

[fleet whale]

the other ring you choose a trait that either gives you haste or agi, and it makes you grow or shrink

it probably isn't that big of a deal but it might annoy some people

[tropic ocean]

@vocal lion unbridled fury

[desert vault]

Need that stupid Court ring I guess

[unreal perch]

frost damage

[molten cosmos]

Hey guys ! As we all know Outlaw will be hardly nerf and will bring back Assa to M+ more than before. What do you recommand as Azerite trait build?
I have 3 SS atm, 1EB, 1 Double Dose ('cause I can't have anything else atm) and 1 TK. Do you think replacing the DD and 1 SS by 1 TK and EB would be better?

[languid ore]

does font still break out of stealth?

[civic palm]

Yes.

[languid ore]

yuck

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unreal perch]

@molten cosmos You're going to still need 3x EB basically to compete with outlaw. fun fact, they didn't just "kill outlaw" for M+

[desert vault]

I might break out my 400 crown this week for that ss/ttk

[tropic ocean]

@unreal perch your statements aren‘t very accurate you might want to do some research actually

[unreal perch]

you really wana push the narrative that outlaw is just dead?

[tropic ocean]

its not

[civic palm]

You can push that in #outlaw

[tropic ocean]

your statements about assassination are just incorrect

the trait choices vary alot depending on dungeon and affix and also depending on that your choice will dictate if you compete with outlaw or not

e.g. using 3ss in kings rest will make it pretty easy for you to compete with outlaw from a dps perspective

[placid mulch]

If you just want the trash padding is there any justifiable build with crimson tempest or is poison really just the only answer?

[sudden trench]

Poison always

[civic palm]

CT is never worth taking in any scenario.

[tropic ocean]

i think seli was using ct for some high freehold fortified and did very good with it but

Pb is just the safe passive talent

[civic palm]

DON'T DPS I AM TRYING TO MAKE CT LOOK GOOD

[somber bison]

Unless you really like CT

[civic palm]

[tropic ocean]

wdym

Trash lives long enough in high fort key to make ct worth it

🤔

[civic palm]

That is unless it actually doesn't, and more PBOMB is just more DMG.

[tepid flower]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

ct is lidderally only ever worth it unless you're going to have high downtime on packs for some reason

but i don't think that's something you plan for

[civic palm]

WAIT ON MY WINGS, I NEED TO PAD.

[unreal perch]

I always go into dungeons like "You know I may just back off for a while"

[tropic ocean]

💆🏻‍♀️

[civic palm]

o _O

[cobalt pelican]

packs could live infinitely and it'd still be a dead button if you could actually press fok and hit them all (1eb+)

it's probably pretty close at 1, enough to maybe be playable

[tropic ocean]

well im not sure thats accurate

[placid mulch]

Fair enough figured I’d ask. I want it to be good

[tropic ocean]

As eb is tied to crit

[placid mulch]

But it’s not 😦

[tropic ocean]

there will be a point where fok >>> ct

its just not as bad or useless as its always shouted at

[cobalt pelican]

i'd agree that it's not as bad as touted, especially if you're playing a low eb count build but it's just

[placid mulch]

Given it’s much easier to just do what you’re already doing and sometimes rnging into more damage

[tropic ocean]

without doing the math im pretty sure if you have 20% crit

Ct can be really good

Compared to eb

[civic palm]

Nah.

You just need more targets to make up the crit rate.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pelican]

it's like

even if you can get ct to be higher dpet in that global

you have to account for the fact that you're missing pb for like

bosses and any relevant finishers on packs

and then it'd have to beat fok by a decent margin on dpet which it just.. doesn't

[tropic ocean]

Pb on boss doesnt really matter

[civic palm]

o _O

[tropic ocean]

Its just the trash but there its

[cobalt pelican]

everything matters, like

pb isn't anything major

[civic palm]

wtf is that mentality

[unreal perch]

how does pb not matter on bosses

[woeful minnow]

that's an interesting take

[tropic ocean]

you will naturally with eb have less finishers in packs as well

To proc pb

[unreal perch]

"doing bonus damage to bosses without extra investment doesn't matter"

[cobalt pelican]

but if you have to pidgeon hole a talent into being, super low crit low eb build that also has downtime occasionally to make the talent strictly 'better' that's probably why it's never taken

[placid mulch]

Benthic gear would like to have a word

[civic palm]

Do note that if you are using less Finishers because of EB, CT still has less value than PBOMB.

[cobalt pelican]

maybe it has its place though, i don't know

[tropic ocean]

its def niche

[cobalt pelican]

mastery bigpumper build soon

[tropic ocean]

just overall its not as big of a difference as you saw when top rogues were using it

[fleet whale]

CT just isn't worth the global most of the time

[civic palm]

If you ever end up stacking Mastery hitting ENV still wins, as if you ever have enough targets to maybe make CT worth it, EB is still beating it.

[tropic ocean]

it just depends

Don‘t really like those blatant black white statements

[civic palm]

Disregard math.

That's fine.

[tropic ocean]

wheres the math

[unreal perch]

lol

[civic palm]

Done after EB was spoiled, dunno where it is now.

The logic also doesn't make sense in regards to stats, target count, and average time spent attacking those targets.

But if you wanna try and make it work, do go ahead and try.

[tropic ocean]

I‘m not and I don‘t need to it just seems for me that often this discord just goes full theoretical mode even though in actual keys people are doing different with success

[civic palm]

There's not 1 solution to completing a key, especially with regards to DPS.

[arctic walrus]

[tropic ocean]

gz

[civic palm]

A lot of options will result in success, none of them being wrong, but there's almost always one that is the "best" choice.

[strange python]

@arctic walrus Gz!

[unreal perch]

grats

[arctic walrus]

If I get zaqul helm i'll be so happy

[civic palm]

uhhuh

[unreal perch]

wait did you say.. people go theoretical in this discord, so instead you have to theory craft how ct may be better?

I'm confused

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[cobalt pelican]

hey can i get those

[civic palm]

People tend to bring a lot of theory into the discord that has been shot down over and over again because it doesn't math out well.

[tropic ocean]

except im not talking about theory 🤷🏿‍♂️

[civic palm]

THE PROBLEM is that most people wanna support their claims with Raidbots but Raidbots doesn't work for this.

[unreal perch]

you literally were going "well if you have x and y while doing z CT could be good"

that's theory

[civic palm]

I do believe he was saying that someone was using CT at one point in time.

Without knowing why.

[tropic ocean]

I mean you cant argue against what is mathematically correct

[hazy iron]

Wasn’t CT a thing at the start of BfA?

[tropic ocean]

just ct has and had its usages

[civic palm]

Yeah but people used it wrong, PBOMB was the better choice 90% of the time back then.

[tropic ocean]

I‘ve been playing ct for a long time and overall the dps didnt differ hugely to pbomb

[fleet whale]

CT is also almost worthless on boss fights

[hazy iron]

I imagine boss damage would have suffered considerably

[civic palm]

Extremely.

It's a useless button.

[tropic ocean]

And just recently seli was running ct in very high freehold with giga dps as well

[hazy iron]

Tailored to a specific group Comp and strategy

[unreal perch]

I mean he did say "PB doesn't matter on bosses"

[fleet whale]

You can't always look at the very best and assume that what they do should be replicated, and that goes for more things than just wow

[tropic ocean]

yeah i‘m not even arguing pb is bad

[civic palm]

@marble hemlock Oi boyo, any reason to run CT over PBOMB in M+?

[tropic ocean]

Just that it has its uses

[civic palm]

Which aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaare?

[tropic ocean]

@unreal perch idk what you‘re trying to argue pb boss dmg over the course of a m+ dungeon is very minor and not really relevant for overall output

[marble hemlock]

not really no

[latent gazelle]

quick question. which class would you guys rpefer to go to Del realm on Zaq. sin or MM ?

[tropic ocean]

@civic palm spread cleave eg

[marble hemlock]

havent tried ct much recently, but its still the same issue of wasting CP on somethign that ultimately could just be replaced by another fok

or envenom for prio

[civic palm]

Right.

[hazy iron]

I think Ausgelebt saw you running CT and thought it was in

[civic palm]

Alright, off to do something else, thanks babe @marble hemlock ❤

[fleet whale]

like i said earlier... ct is just a waste of a global, when you don't waste one with either pb or HB

[marble hemlock]

i played it with triple scent, yeah

since CT has good AP scaling

i just dont have the azerite right now to try and test different combinations of azerite, gotta play with what we're given from raid, and for most people thatll just be ttk+ss

since the eb pieces from raid all suck ass

[civic palm]

Yarrr

[hazy iron]

True

[unborn silo]

what do i need to do right to Shadowstep and Sap a Mob with Stealth Detect without getting caught?

[peak saffron]

distract

[tropic ocean]

Distract him

[fleet whale]

distract them

[unborn silo]

sometimes it works something not

ya i dot that but it doesnt work all the time

[fleet whale]

i wouldn't shadowstep tbh, it might just be safer to sap from range

when they are turned away

[marble hemlock]

if you distract, theres no reason to shadowstep

[peak saffron]

distract them so they're facing away from where you're shadowstepping from, then spam your sap while you shadowstep

[unborn silo]

ok ty

[fervent jasper]

@marble hemlock didnt you play CT in FH on teeming week?

[marble hemlock]

think that was when i tried 3scent

[fervent jasper]

Oh ok

[polar dagger]

2ss/2ttk/2eb or 3ss/2ttk/1eb?

[teal locust]

Does garrote on hit dmg? I use mutilate to generate combo points, but if i have subterfuge + ss, is it more worth to use like 2 times garrote out of stealth instead of garrote mutilate? Sry, im pretty new to assa.

[civic palm]

Garrote has no on-hit damage.

[tropic ocean]

yes with ss you want to use more than 1 garrote from stealth

Ideally 3 on 3 targets or 2 on 1

[teal locust]

Okay, and why not 3 on one? I guess because i cap on cp, right?

[tropic ocean]

no

Because max duration is 23s

And you‘ll have 23s after 2

[teal locust]

Oh yeah, forgot about that. Thanks for the info.

[tropic ocean]

You want to garrote rupture garrote

on 1 target

so you get garrote tick off, get rupture running and regarrote to max duration inside subter window

[lime geyser]

Is one TTK better than a 3rd Double Dose? For me it sims higher but not sure how much to trust it when I see others running one TTK

[teal locust]

Is it like a passive ability that you can extend dots. e.g. garrote to 23 instead of 18sec or is it just how it works? Noticed it when i rolled buffs on outlaw but never thought of why, because it doesnt really matter there.

[tropic ocean]

think they run it due to higher ilvl piece

[lime geyser]

Correction: 3rd double dose sims higher

[tropic ocean]

@teal locust its just how pandemic works

[teal locust]

Thanks

[tropic ocean]

U can refresh a dot before it runs out and 30% of the duration get added to new dot

[tribal marlin]

Garrote rupt Garrote is the way to go since s1 during boss encounter in m_ with shrouded

but without exg it feels wrong

[tropic ocean]

So if you refresh garrote with 5.4 sec remaining new garrote will be 23s

[tribal marlin]

like I have to refresh rupture during BoTE windows

so I tried a bit of a classic G G R opener

feels better

not sure it even matter in term of dps

[sonic rapids]

if I play with 4 loyal to the end buddies in raid and one of them dies, do I get full value of loyal after his death or is it down to 3?

[tropic ocean]

its down

But u get the on death buff for some time

@lime geyser im running 2 ttk as well not because its better but because its the only 445 pieces I have your sim will be correct

its easier to get good helm and chest from raid than from gambling so ppl use their best piece

[elfin tiger]

For m+ do i take as many SS traits as I can? What's the 2nd best?

[woeful minnow]

you want a mix of ss/eb/ttk

2/2/2 is a good overall build and then you can play around with that depending on the dungeon and/or affixes

[velvet geyser]

I had no idea ttk was suddenly useful

[oblique jackal]

is the azerite helm from the first boss in palace any good?

[dawn anchor]

Tips on playing Coral properly?

[cobalt pelican]

it's not the worst thing in the world but it's not good for anything really either

[haughty lily]

what food do we use in raid? i feel like i see rogues using a different food buff every week

[drifting cloud]

just use the one thats highest on your stat weights

[haughty lily]

theres not a general one?

[drifting cloud]

no, since all the stat weights are pretty close at certain gear levels

its barely a difference

at worst youre going to be losing like 30 dps

I usually just click what I have in bags tbh, maybe prefer crit just for rng purposes

[fathom echo]

hey guys with the MA opener thats Gar> Mut > Rup> Vend> Vanish >TB> Envem . wouldnt it be better to TB before vanish so you can get 2 MA envenoms off?

[hazy iron]

Either way is fine, but tbing before vanish is seen as a high risk high reward scenario

[drifting cloud]

both are fine, but if you dont get 4 cps from that muti you arent going to envenom anyways, but another mut

[deft nymph]

oh baby

dry spell is over

445 silvarra and 450 diver's folly

[fathom echo]

also how many targets does everyone rupture in raids

[fresh notch]

How many stacks should you expect to get with inkpod?

On like a 5 min fight

[low junco]

which fight exactly do you mean @fresh notch

[fresh notch]

Just killed M sivarra and only had 350k dmg with a 435 inkpod

I had good uptime on the boss

[tropic ocean]

it depends on your apm and crit

[low junco]

350k no crit probably?

[tropic ocean]

I did over 1 mil with inkpod @ crit and 99% uptime

[fresh notch]

Yea, it didn't crit, I got the trinket last week and it seems like its dmg is pretty low

[tropic ocean]

its decent and very good for progress and in combo with ashvane

[fresh notch]

My razor coral did 430k dmg alone

[tropic ocean]

Crits r biggy