assassination

[severe bough]

not bad at all

[lusty narwhal]

Considering dropping jc for alch or something

This ring is pricey af

[severe bough]

it is

that's why i never say jc as viable for me

i would have not had enough gold to pull it off

[sand otter]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/RG32xQL6WdpyaTw8/#fight=9

curious on some feedback for the fight tonight

[fallow otter]

im still using last tier jc ring

my ring luck sucks

so i had to make

[lusty narwhal]

Same

@sand otter first glance, your bleed uptime is insanely low

[sand otter]

okies

have to keep an eye on those more

[lusty narwhal]

Are you vanishing for Garrote damage with sub?

Your armoury says you’re running 2x SS

[sand otter]

i am yes, vanish and garrote, then back into rotation

and pooling at certain times when needed

ashvane was a little weird as i saved CDs for when her bubble was down

we killed her with 1 second left on her 2nd bubble

[fallow otter]

you want to double garrote

after vanish

been a long time since i have run SS and subt tho

and your opener with subt/ss should be gar>rup>gar it looks like you did gar>mut>tb>rup?

[sand otter]

gotcha

[fallow otter]

you been simming on raidbots? tried simming different traits and dropping SS?

[woven hound]

is it normal for lucid to sim ahead of life-force?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jn3GNTazpm7PJX91v6vrZa

[sand otter]

Yeah i use raidbots, it comes out to that right now

[fallow otter]

mind if you PM me a sim link, i'm interested to compare for you

[muted jacinth]

weirdly low sim for that ilvl dondz

[fallow otter]

@woven hound https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pG87DcEyyngjrUsnmZuxev

tweaked some gear for you

actually let me fix something further

[woven hound]

wow

that's the nicest thing anyone's done a class discord before

thanks so much

*for me anyway

[fallow otter]

can probably get more dps out of the gear you have for you, hang tight a min

results inc

[woven hound]

i always just blamed it on not having azerite traits

[fallow otter]

your traits are fine 😃

[steep obsidian]

give me your coral you butt

😛

cant get one of those things to save myself

and our ele got a friggin 450 to troll me with from m ashvane

[woven hound]

out of curiosity: was it the double dose that made crit so high for stat weights?

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3eypVxgwka9gXwoVNR53GB

ok there you go

[woven hound]

amazing

[fallow otter]

run CLF/lucid

[woven hound]

thank you so so much

[fallow otter]

you are most welcome

[steep obsidian]

clf lucid combo too good less you have bote

[fallow otter]

even if you have bote

[steep obsidian]

well if you look at high logs its a mix

but yeah i agree

and situational

[fallow otter]

yup

and what the fight demands

good burst awesome consistent dmg or awesome burst good consistent dmg

[woven hound]

should i swap out the crit gems for haste as well?

or is that enough?

[fallow otter]

its only saying to regem gloves gem to haste

[steep obsidian]

do a sim for your statweights but there a breakpoint where crit and haste are about the same

and that is prollly it ^

[woven hound]

gotcha

[steep obsidian]

like if you change one gem the weights prolly swap

but the sim tells you to go with the highest sim

[woven hound]

yup, shoulda known the dude was thorough enough to include that 😛

[steep obsidian]

you need to get the benthic

badly

its dumb but non negotiable if you really want to min max 😦

[fallow otter]

hes got the 2 best pieces

probably currently rolling the other 2

but yeh, can get more dps getting the other 2

[steep obsidian]

maybe abberr belt for orgozoa too but yeh

[fallow otter]

the tank belt is really good

if you have that, you dont really need the abber one

[woven hound]

believe me, i'm actively trying to get the gloves

[steep obsidian]

man

[woven hound]

i don't even know how many it's been

[steep obsidian]

id even take a normal font like you have

i used up all my luck on the benthics i think

[woeful minnow]

man same

I can't get a weapon or a trinket

[steep obsidian]

same

[woven hound]

i've been bonus rolling ashvane/azshara normal and heroic every week

[fallow otter]

yeh normal font is still vgood

[woeful minnow]

but I have all the benthics

[fallow otter]

its good to start using it to learn when/where to use it in fights also

[woven hound]

is 10 secs before vendetta the norm?

[fallow otter]

rather than me regurgitate, check out #tc-updates latest post for that one

[woven hound]

cheers, thank you

[weary lagoon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fSicKG6yVdiXXLpu3KipHt

help a poor soul

[steep obsidian]

has anyone ever saved a vanish to try and game an inkpod crit with ma? seems so huge that might be worth the gamble at least on ashvane

[fallow otter]

MA only makes certain rogue skills crit, its not everything crit

[weary lagoon]

I sim higher with Subterfuge over MA...Killing me

[fallow otter]

but you do line up coral with the inkpod pop

[steep obsidian]

i didnt konw if ma affected inkpod

but reading tooltips is a thing yeh :\

[fallow otter]

@weary lagoon thats because you are running SS traits 😃

[steep obsidian]

throw away worldvein is worthless on most fights

[weary lagoon]

I know but I have access to 3DD and I feel so energy starved

[steep obsidian]

maybe good on like 2 or 3 if lots use it

lucid better

[weary lagoon]

Pooling and falling asleep

RL calls for worldvein until more raiders have it

[steep obsidian]

run lucid and you wont have to pool 😛

or will barely need to

[weary lagoon]

that would be a dream,,,

[steep obsidian]

get the weak aura that shows the uptime and spouts it out to raid chat after the fight

and you can make the case as to how shit it is

[weary lagoon]

I like MA except for the pooling/lull in activity

[steep obsidian]

without having to check logs

or you will be able to see if its worth

i found tha even with like 10 peopel running it it sucked hard

[weary lagoon]

good advice. thx

only benefit from 4 shards at any given time

so I just need 4 people to run it so I can change it...lol

[fallow otter]

@weary lagoon i tweaked your gear, seeing if i can get some more dps for you

just waiting for result

[weary lagoon]

I'm game for any advice

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pE4R5N311hymwYW2qybG3G

little bit better

😉

[weary lagoon]

So haste over crit?

and not many fights are patchwerk,,,I feel like Im all over the place...lol

[steep obsidian]

sim for multi targets and see what it says in the stat weights?

gems are pretty cheap though or be a jc and just swap out gems for dungeons with the tools of the trade thing

[fallow otter]

lots of fights are pretty patchwerk for melee

[near coyote]

who do you guys usually have in the delerium realm on zaqul in your teams?

what specs i mean

[rigid mango]

Just a bunch of spriest, fire mages, boomiea and hunters

[weary lagoon]

thx so much Stunkei

and Sadbod

[harsh goblet]

heeeeeelp

I have to use font and razor coral

[fallow otter]

#tc-updates

have a read of latest blurb

[harsh goblet]

@fallow otter ty

[sharp moss]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/topgear anyone got any advice on how to improve my numbers for raid?

[rigid mango]

You've just linked the frontpage

Do a sim of top gear, link it and I can fuck around with it

[sharp moss]

my bad doing it now

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/JkbkhJWq1MEKsLX9qaAXt

[rigid mango]

You have no benthic, your trinkets are meh, your weapons are bad, you lack sockets and your azerite needs improvement on ilvl, also higher lvl essences

[steep obsidian]

old main stat gem is just lazy and cheap and bad

the new gems are nothing

put one in

[cobalt gyro]

kraken's eye aren't entirely useless but ya definitely use a leviathan's if you're gonna do a main stat gem

[past ridge]

just use both Kraken and Leviathan at the same time for 200 Agi

[fallow otter]

i was doing this for a while until switching to clf/lucid and haste becoming more important

[elfin fossil]

Hey, what does the ravenholdt guide mean with 'master assassin talented in the new way'?

[rigid mango]

the newer way

The diff is small, do the opener as you want

[elfin fossil]

allright

[rigid mango]

You wont see the diff in the end, just feel it

[haughty flame]

morning all, if i just recently swapped to my rogue - what benthic gear should i aim for first bracer or gloves

[fallow otter]

boots

boots>tankbelt=bracers>gloves imo

[haughty flame]

really O.o

[fallow otter]

gl with gambles

[haughty flame]

i thot bracers and gloves are much better than the other 2

[fallow otter]

i hope you get a hole asap 😃

well it also depends on what you are replacing

[nimble tartan]

boots>bracers,gloves>>>belt yw bro

[haughty flame]

oki tyty

[fallow otter]

@nimble tartan why belt last?

iyo

[nimble tartan]

the other benthics do more damage compared to phys belt usually

[fallow otter]

thats not true

[haughty flame]

is there no like

guide where ppl have simmed etc.

[fallow otter]

we all sim constantly

[harsh sphinx]

some sim more than they play

[nimble tartan]

)

[haughty flame]

but the general consence is boots > bracer ?

[fallow otter]

assuming what you are replacing is equal in both slots then yes

i can sim your toon in droptimizer if you want to know a very specific answer

[haughty flame]

that would be great

lemme just relog

@fallow otter appreciate it

[fallow otter]

i just average them out as about 1% each mostly, this is an ashvane kill of mine

[haughty flame]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iKNRcL5gp3PsFsRpWoV1Nr

[steep obsidian]

i probably wouldnt prio upgrading boots the first as the other procs scale on ilvl

[haughty flame]

ignore my essences

[fallow otter]

radiance

conch is belt, frost is bracers, tidal is gloves

[haughty flame]

ok

[fallow otter]

sivara

boots>the rest either way

[haughty flame]

@fallow otter u got my string ye

[fallow otter]

yeh simming it

[haughty flame]

tyty

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i8us2Hh62sVHYTX6EMQjZb

you've got a 455 belt you can ignore belt lol

[haughty flame]

😄

so bracer > boot

[fallow otter]

but yeh as we said boots>bracer>gloves

[haughty flame]

oki ty

boots on second token

leggoo

[fallow otter]

omy thats lucky

gratz

[leaden bloom]

what do I need to add to simc to sim for Aberrations

?

[steep obsidian]

i can check if somoneone doesnt answer in the next min

If you want to sim with the boss being an aberration then add this to the APL box under the settings: target_race=aberration

is that in the pins maybe i cant read or am dumb

probably the both

[fallow otter]

its in pins yup 😃

[steep obsidian]

hurr durr

oh there it is

[severe sedge]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[stable copper]

Hey guys! I was wondering, when using Ashvane's Razor Coral, how many stacks should I reuse the trinket? Cheers

[civic palm]

[nocturne tinsel]

you basically want to use coral when it lines up with your vendetta

or if its near the end of a fight and you wont get vendetta again

[stable copper]

Okay, thanks alot

[cloud lichen]

So basically, you want to re use it the 2nd vendetta?

Cause with the first if u are lucky you have like 1 or 2 stacks, right?

[rigid mango]

You don't use it with the4 first

you just apply it for the stacks

and use it with the 2nd

[cloud lichen]

Perfect thanks

[signal summit]

gonna do some blood of the enemy farm later if some1 wanna jkoin

[rigid mango]

I'd recommend asking in #wow-general

[signal summit]

oh sry i thought i clicked it

[haughty flame]

do u guys sim at nightly or weekly

[solid nova]

Nightly is always the most up to date

[civic palm]

The only reason to not use Nightly is if it introduced a bug of some kind.

[upbeat geode]

a reason not to use nightly is, there may be bugs we dont know about

[civic palm]

Might as well never use it then.

3head.

[calm wedge]

Hey boys, my guild and me are currently trying to take down lady ashvane mythic. Has anyone already tried to measure the dps increase / decrease of Venomous Wounds when you apply your bleeds on briny bubbles ?

Is it worth it ?

[civic palm]

Not worth if it's taking you off of the boss and the bleeds do not last for more than 30% of their duration.

Distance is also a large consideration.

[calm wedge]

distance isn't really a problem considering its really close to the boss

but i mean u trade 5cb for 150energy

[civic palm]

If that's the case then everything else is cleaving hard enough that I can't imagine it would be worth the time.

[calm wedge]

(thats the problem)

[civic palm]

SIN is a single target spec without traits to make us a really bad single target spec.

[upbeat geode]

the first bubbles line up with toxic blade, giving you max energy in the TB window, it looks good but didnt sim or check yet.

[verbal stirrup]

hey guys, can rogues avoid getting bubbled on ashvane with cloak or vanish?

[upbeat geode]

cloak yes

[verbal stirrup]

ty

and have to cloak before it goes out yeah, does cloak also remove the aoe circle around you or do you have to be away from people, just wont hit you?

akin to bubble or turtle

[upbeat geode]

note, the people arround you still get bubbled so stand on the other bubbles

[verbal stirrup]

yeah perfect ty

[placid root]

What does clf stand for? cruicible of flames?

[solid nova]

Condensed Life Force

[placid root]

Oooh

Ok ty

[feral hedge]

Hey, anything I could improve here?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7N3QJANkLoWMge83RHjCT8

I got benthic waist but not upgraded still to 425. Or should I try to roll boots/bracers/gloves instead?

[bronze kelp]

Instead of what?

[feral hedge]

instead of upgrading waist

[slate moat]

hey guys, i really need your help, i looked @ ravenholdt side and icy vains, which is the best? need help for my rogue (prefering german, if some germans here)

[winter moss]

i wrote down the guide in german on ravenholdt

you might check out this one

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[slate moat]

perfect, this is the better one than icy? 😄

[winter moss]

im not here to give subjective opinions (ye it is)

[slate moat]

😄 😄

thanks a lot ^^

[winter moss]

weak does too?

[bronze kelp]

@feral hedge sim if the other pieces on a lower ilvl are an upgrade for you. But as u should try to get them with a socket, it could cost u tons of pearls

[winter moss]

i mean it depends on what you are looking for

general idea of the spec probably both are fine.
if you want some deeper rooted knowledge id go to discord anyway
im just a fanboi

[dim yacht]

does toxic blade affect damage from dribbling inkpod?

[rigid mango]

nope

TB is whitelisted

[dim yacht]

good to know, ty

[azure basalt]

on the webpage for the assa guide it says "Master assassin talented new/old way" and shows different openers

[rigid mango]

New one is slight upgrade

You wont feel diff.

We're talking like, 10 dps diff

[azure basalt]

is that just because of us having higher stats

ok

[rigid mango]

It's because it uses the MA window a bit better

but in the end of combat, it wont be the diff ever

[wispy marsh]

Any reason in particular why my Outlaw set sims higher than my Sin set? Both are roughly the same ilvl, and my stat prio for sin doesn't look half bad

Also have BiS trinkets for Sin as well

[lethal heart]

what traits do you have

for both specs

outlaw sims ok this tier

especially if you have good azerite

and its very easy to get good azerite

[unkempt karma]

What azerite combinations are people using for m+ ?

[wispy marsh]

double ace, double dead, 1 bb, 1 wits
2 ttk, 2 np, 1 dd, 1 loyal

[lethal heart]

your outlaw azerite is bis/close to bis

your assa azerite is similar to what i use

and its same for me, outlaw sims a little bit higher

also keep in mind outlaw gets big boost for st

[wispy marsh]

When you play it does it do more or do you feel sin does more damage?

[lethal heart]

if you have diver's folly behemoth weapon/underrot weapons

[bleak spoke]

How much do you sim for in st sebek

[lethal heart]

assa doesnt have any broken weapon effect they can use

[wispy marsh]

Do have double underrots

[lethal heart]

idk around 46,5 in both specs

depending what essences i use

full pad sims with worldvein and shit i could probably get 47k in both specs

but yea i play bote here or there which doesnt sim highest but its just useful

depends on what fight really

[bleak spoke]

Man they should have made the sivara dagger do the shiver venom thing that the crossbow and pole arm do

[lethal heart]

like on zaqul assa is gonna do more because burst damage is more rewarded

likewise on court

you dont have 100% boss uptime hence assa wins there aswell

and you get some small multidot value here or there aswell ofc

but not much really

[bleak spoke]

Yeh one thing that feels super annoying about outlaw in raid is that

[lethal heart]

but on ashvane

i easily beat other rogue from my guild even on st

[bleak spoke]

When it slows down it feels miserable

[lethal heart]

(boss damage)

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[wispy marsh]

Jusst trying to figure out if it's worth to switch from outlaw to sin

[lethal heart]

the only fight where you must play assa is zaqul

i think

[wispy marsh]

Fixing to push Mythic Ashvane with guild and want to do what's going to benefit us the most

[lethal heart]

rest of the fights you can play w/e you prefer

[bleak spoke]

What about that Chinese outlaw log on zaqul

[lethal heart]

assa and outlaw st this tier is pretty much equal

ye they do different jobs than assa roguie

they are there to kill the adds

mots people go for st and do delirium realm memes

[bleak spoke]

Does delirium even benefit us that much compared to other classes

[scarlet sequoia]

ofc

[lethal heart]

well its more of

[scarlet sequoia]

being able to spam mutilate is quite big

[bleak spoke]

Feels like the guaranteed 1s global really makes it less strong

[lethal heart]

is there any other class/spec that can survive that long there

because if you send in shaman for example

he has to go out

so much faster

[mighty elm]

its very big , especially when youre running vision on that fight

[lethal heart]

because no immunity

[wispy marsh]

Leech poison too good

[lethal heart]

well yo u run rogues into delirium 3 and 4

because there is add

that is huge dps check

or well maybe not huge

but it just is a dps check

and proably rogue/fire mage is best

but fire mage would kill other people in delirium

because you can hit other people in delirium

[bleak spoke]

But cloak yeah

[lethal heart]

so if you send in mage

[rigid mango]

ignite me

[lethal heart]

he will rape everyone

with ignite 😄

mage would be better

than assa

if not for that

because mage burst is bigger than assa burst

[bleak spoke]

Yeah and also 2 mins

With zaqul do you miss timings without vop minor

[mighty elm]

ye

[lethal heart]

yes

you must play vision

to have cds for both 3rd and 4th delirium

[rigid mango]

I think saryero played iwthout it?

[lethal heart]

you dont have to send always rogues in

to 3rd and 4th

you can have different people

depends on roster

[rigid mango]

Nah you don't ye

[lethal heart]

its just easiest right

[mighty elm]

tbh running vision felt abit poitless for me 😛 , we had 2 wlocks that came in and blaaaasted the add, they could 3 man it

[scarlet sequoia]

i dont even get sent in 😭

[lethal heart]

ye

demo lock is good aswell

[bleak spoke]

Probably fury warrior too?

[rigid mango]

Tbh I see fuckall people run it on top logs, but I suppose it's not for top logs you run that shit so

[lethal heart]

fury warrior idk

i think you'd rather have fury in fear

[bleak spoke]

Hmm what other 1:30 classes are there

[lethal heart]

padding adds

[rigid mango]

Any of the hunters?

[mighty elm]

idk if fury is good 😛 , when i overslept they put in a fury warr instead and it failed every time

[lethal heart]

but probably would work

[bleak spoke]

Hunters with resets on aspect ig

[lethal heart]

rogue is amazing for that tho

leeching poison is really good aswell

[bleak spoke]

Yeah vendetta is a really stable cd

[lethal heart]

ye vendetta is very strong

especially if you play NP

[rigid mango]

Yeah like, everyone runs it

[lethal heart]

and it scales with haste

[rigid mango]

LP, that is

[lethal heart]

its pretty good

multiple nps*

[rigid mango]

Isn't sin amongs the highest burst classes in window?

[lethal heart]

because 1 is kind of a must anyway

yes

it is 2nd best i think

after fire mage

[rigid mango]

hm

[lethal heart]

or maybe frost dk can give them a run

[bleak spoke]

I think when my guild gets to zaqul I’ll probs be 65 neck and it’ll feel real nice

[lethal heart]

or a ret pala

[mighty elm]

that echo dps

[lethal heart]

dont play with frost dk/ret pala myself

but i know their burst can be insane

[rigid mango]

I play with a udk

[lethal heart]

in my guild its only fire mage that can outburst me

when i play assa

[bleak spoke]

Sebek don’t you play with a surv hunter

[lethal heart]

yes

she goes in

[rigid mango]

Same, for us it's 3x sin and a firemage

top

[lethal heart]

survival is really fucking good there aswell

[rigid mango]

😄

[lethal heart]

in delirium

[bleak spoke]

Yeah cuz haste right

[lethal heart]

survival stat weight is like

her haste value is like

9

[bleak spoke]

Loool

[rigid mango]

[lethal heart]

and survival has like

[rigid mango]

nty

[lethal heart]

build in 10% leech

from pet

but i dont thnik survival has as high burst potential

but because you can stay so long as survival because of your sustain healing

and your sustain is just so good

[bleak spoke]

It’s more sustained damage on that cd that you extend innit

[lethal heart]

ye

exactly

[rigid mango]

Do HoT's get saved over transfering into realm?

[lethal heart]

but still does absurd damage

[rigid mango]

or do they all get taken off?

[bleak spoke]

So if you can live long enough then you pop off

[lethal heart]

dont know man

[rigid mango]

I never go in

[lethal heart]

dont play with resto druid 😄

we run

[rigid mango]

Nah just thinking about literally anything

[lethal heart]

double holy pala 1 disc 1 resto

[rigid mango]

We wont run rdruid I don't think either

[lethal heart]

but ye didnt pay attention

[rigid mango]

we will run 2hpala 2rshaman 1 disc

Probs

[bleak spoke]

When you have vop minor what major do you even take

[rigid mango]

Blood

1.5 cd burst

[lethal heart]

you play blood

on that fight

[bleak spoke]

Oh okay I guess that lines good yeh

[lethal heart]

it doesnt make any sense to play lucid

[rigid mango]

Lucid is useless downstairs

ur GCD locked anyways right?

[lethal heart]

beause you get haste from delirium

ye

y

you are energy capped

[bleak spoke]

Makes up for some of the weirdness with vanish not lining I suppose too

[rigid mango]

Soemone was talking lucid major

for leech

[lethal heart]

nah

pretty sure if you are 65 neck

you run conflict as 3rd minor

[bleak spoke]

For the versa buff?

[lethal heart]

ye

[rigid mango]

Conflict

[lethal heart]

its free vers

350 vers or sth

[rigid mango]

You don't think flames?

[lethal heart]

or maybe that

but if it sims same

there is no point playing flame

because vers gives you a little bit of extra surv on top of damage

[bleak spoke]

Versa beats everything if it sims the same yeah

[rigid mango]

My god discord is shitting itself

Does teh PPM work w haste
w flame?
the minor that is.

[lethal heart]

i have no idefa

[rigid mango]

bec if it works w haste downstairs on zaq

or CLF minor for zaq

I know that the minor is affected by haste

[bleak spoke]

Wait why not purification minor

It’s a damage proc that’s strong vs aberrations innit

Also the proc heals you

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Man that actually sounds pretty good

[rigid mango]

I suppose that's good for zaq aye

healing 👀

[bleak spoke]

Like bote major and vop minor are locked in yeah

[warm parcel]

You can see whether theyre hasted or not @rigid mango

[rigid mango]

Like, on zaq do you vial on cd or

Weak don't make me google shit

I'm here to ask easily answered questions towards people who know out of pure laziness

[mighty elm]

vial on cd but not when full on hp i guess

[rigid mango]

Aye makes sense

I suppose u save tonic + hs for it too?

[mighty elm]

if you are goin 1st delerium and you stay still next phase, i found it be best to cloak at 7 stacks

[rigid mango]

how long are u in there for

time wise

[mighty elm]

i saved HS/pot for last phase

can check

which one, the first one?

[rigid mango]

All of them

The ones you're in, anyways

[mighty elm]

well the first one with add you wanna come out when fear realm comes out

1st one for 1min(till boss phases)

[rigid mango]

[mighty elm]

last one for 1min 10 sec

[rigid mango]

hm aight

[mighty elm]

looking back at it, mages came in and smacked me

[bleak spoke]

Yikes haha

[rigid mango]

Our spriest legit solod our mage out because he talked smack before

[mighty elm]

👏

[rigid mango]

mid pull all I hear is screaming

and mage slamming his desk

[bleak spoke]

Man next time play subterfuge ss sneak in and vanish garrote the casters

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Wait I’m 100% pvping someone to death next time I go hc

[mighty elm]

https://gyazo.com/5cc88091a8251873f039258608003f59

last 20 sec in there 😦

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

Wait they just

Meteored on you

[mighty elm]

well yeah 😛

[near python]

is that delirium 4 or 5

[mighty elm]

we enter 4th, then mages come in 5th

[rigid mango]

http://prntscr.com/oqh6eb

Our mage yesterday

[bleak spoke]

Actually rekt

[mighty elm]

actaully wlocks smacked us harder

https://gyazo.com/757057c7122185c966dea29280906997

thats from entry

[rigid mango]

440k hand

[mighty elm]

[bleak spoke]

Man that is many soul conduit procs

Looks like it was raining imps down there

[near python]

dno you should probably leave 4th after a bit

[mighty elm]

we couldnt

[near python]

hm?

[mighty elm]

disc usually suicides there and CRs then dispells us

but we had no CRs left

[near python]

uhh

you kill 2nd add, then wait for 2nd slam after add dies, cloak stacks and leave?

On my kill I left the realm no stacks, didnt die

[mighty elm]

i mean , youd do less dmg if u can stay till boss dies?

[near python]

the damage check is really not tight, there is no reason to try to stay down, and you can always just jump into the delirium 5 if u need. but if you send mages down there, it's just suicide anyways

p4 is control, not damage burn

[mighty elm]

no i know its not tight, but if you can survive till boss is dead there is no point in leaving

[near python]

Seems like a risk for little gain. But you can probably just stay down till Delirium 5, cloak and leave.

[potent zinc]

Hey guys i was wondering about is there too much haste i can have as a rogue. Im pretty new to rogue and i am around 35% haste should i be looking for lower than that?

i have 30% crit 34% haste 38% mastery atm

[signal summit]

Sim and look at ur stat weights

[rigid mango]

35% haste is a lot.

Alll of thos enumbers seem really high though

[proven cedar]

can anyone tell me why the other rogue in my guild envenoms for 47,5k avg, while mine is 30k avg? About the same gear - but he has TTK.

logs: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/py8CvMPc6mqg7fth#type=damage-done&boss=-2&difficulty=0&wipes=1

[solid nova]

but he has TTK.

Answered it yourself

[proven cedar]

is it rly that big though?

33% extra dmg pr. envenom seems mega

[maiden siren]

you have a 440 weapon, hes got a 450 and TTK

[faint harness]

there are other issues than envenoms, potentially

or why did you do like 100 less envenoms than him

[proven cedar]

it's over 22 pulls

[faint harness]

are you dying on ashvane?

[proven cedar]

he usually gets off like 2-3 more than me pr. fight and I suck at clicking Feint

[faint harness]

he used feint once

and you 0

[royal lantern]

clicking feint is maybe a problem too

[faint harness]

[proven cedar]

ah, didnt realize

maybe I just stand in more shit then

[faint harness]

yea you're almost doubling his upsurge hits

which is like the only thing that should be close to killing you no ashvane

[brave gyro]

Guys, just came back to the game since a few months. Is there a list I can check for what bentic gear i should be going for?

[proven cedar]

but ye, I realize that he's playing more optimal than me, we were just discussing the particular detail yesterday

think u answered it quite well though

thx

[potent zinc]

@brave gyro in pins at the top

[proven cedar]

is the consensus that you go for 1 TTK atm or just go for NP+DD?

[clever shadow]

I havn't been able to get a blue parse on ashvane yet.. this guys number is really good geeze

[brave gyro]

@potent zinc Thank you friend. Off to grinding i go i guess 😛

[potent zinc]

enjoy 😃

[maiden siren]

Standing in upsurge is not about being optimal. Thats just failing mechanics

[faint harness]

The raid pieces have TTK on them

[clever shadow]

thats for sure

[faint harness]

its not a matter of choice for me

[proven cedar]

v true

[faint harness]

They dont have DD nor NP and they have TTK, so thats whats simming the highest

[clever shadow]

hmm I'm running 3x DD and 1 NP with 1 TTK .. I just kinda defaulted toa triple DD setup.. maybe thats incorrect

[proven cedar]

idk

[faint harness]

DD is really good

[proven cedar]

my DD does about 1,2m on an average Ashvane wipe

[bleak spoke]

DD is really good yeah

[faint harness]

Like i would run 3x DD if i could

But... nope

[proven cedar]

but if TTK bumps your envenom by 10k dmg/cast

and you have 60 casts

[royal lantern]

if you use 3xDD, DD will do more dmg then mutilate itself on most pulls sooo...yeha its stronk

[faint harness]

you cant easily compare crit numbers on ashvane

since crits on absorbs doesnt count

[bleak spoke]

but your gear isn't the issue @proven cedar

https://i.imgur.com/aK7V6Rp.png

[faint harness]

and if he crits more than you thats also a thing

[bleak spoke]

this is the issue

[royal lantern]

thats a weird opener

[faint harness]

where is vanish

[bleak spoke]

he's playing a shrouded

[proven cedar]

im playing SC

[faint harness]

[bleak spoke]

whcih arguably makes that even worse

[faint harness]

you're also refreshing garrote after 14 seconds

[royal lantern]

but why use tb, just too spam non-envenom buffed mutilates then

[faint harness]

removing the buffed

also did you bind coral to rupture?

[bleak spoke]

https://i.imgur.com/SKf5KQF.png

[proven cedar]

coral isnt bound to rupture

just clicked it same time

cuz it's not on GCD

[faint harness]

yy

just looked like it was exactly on the milisecond

[proven cedar]

ye doubt that WCLogs is that precise tbf

[faint harness]

is there no way to get rid of the SS

[proven cedar]

I have a 430 DD+UT piece

[bleak spoke]

wclogs is the most precise

[proven cedar]

so ye

[faint harness]

whats the other trait on the item

[proven cedar]

ye @bleak spoke just talking about the exact timing of my rupture/coral

[faint harness]

SS and?

[proven cedar]

DD

445 with DD, SS, elemental whirl

[faint harness]

So you have deliberately picked SS over DD?

[proven cedar]

or 435 with DD+UT

[faint harness]

No i mean

what is the SS competing with

[bleak spoke]

ss is probably not the play on ashvane

[faint harness]

i mean you can abuse it a bit on the brinys

[proven cedar]

alternative is filthy transfusion

[bleak spoke]

yep

sim it

[faint harness]

I feel like MA is the play this tier

[proven cedar]

ye this is my highest DPS setup tbh

[faint harness]

cus of the many burst trinkets

[bleak spoke]

yeah the windows are super defined

[faint harness]

Even if SS sims slightly higher i wouldnt play it

cus fuck subterfuge

[proven cedar]

ye feels awful

[bleak spoke]

i'd say maybe there's 1 fight i'd consider ss subt on

[faint harness]

i would play outlaw on that fight

[proven cedar]

just that UT isnt worth alot DPS-wise on ashvane cuz it's always procced

[bleak spoke]

man why would you play outlaw on queen's court man

[proven cedar]

SS is good for Court no?

[faint harness]

SS on queens court

the bosses are tanked like 40 yards away from eachother, at least for us

Gotta sprint + shadowstep to even apply that shit

[bleak spoke]

100% you can get the multidot with vanish and sprint step

without losing more than 1 global

[faint harness]

i guess it depends on what is lost

[clever shadow]

its also easy enough to apply them as a drive by when tanks switch, but I don't think its enough for subt

[faint harness]

for me it would be loyal to the end

[bleak spoke]

i think if the timers line okay i play ss on that fight

otherwise i play ma

i enjoy 2t sin alot

[faint harness]

feels like a chore to me

i enjoy the huge burst windows

thats fun

[bleak spoke]

play exsang then 4Head

[faint harness]

I did in uldir actually

good times

[bleak spoke]

yeah but it was good in uldir

[faint harness]

i like that exsang snapshots haste

wish our other bleeds did too

[bleak spoke]

but then again

so was shrouded haha

that'd be cool

i'm kinda getting tired of legit every new upgrade this tier being a new window to play around

that's like

reoccurring

[faint harness]

oh yea

definitely

they added 3 sequences to look for

in 2 weeks

essence usage, font timings, coral usage

[bleak spoke]

i think double dose played so pleasantly in bod cuz we still didn't have much haste/e regen

so tb windows that were set up properly were rewarding

[faint harness]

they still are to me

maybe its placebo

[bleak spoke]

man i feel like i don't even get punished for rotational errors

like 1/2 the time

cuz of lucid procs

[faint harness]

True

I find myself fucking up

killing the boss

and get good logs

[bleak spoke]

literally that

like

[royal lantern]

feels so weird that sometimes you just play normaly, dont even reserve energy, and sit at 114

[clever shadow]

as sin..on a fight like Zaquil are you guys typically asked to break from boss to dps summoners? (all 3).. I seem to be losing massive dps running around the room for these adds.

[bleak spoke]

i have 99s where i refresh ruptures in tbs and all manners of unsavory garbage

[royal lantern]

tell your rl

[faint harness]

Same rtb

feels filthy

[royal lantern]

too NOT send melee dps into the fear realm lol

[bleak spoke]

and it's like if i had a cast sequence like that in bod i would actually had been so mad

[royal lantern]

thats like, he wants everyone too suffer

[clever shadow]

yeah .. we are a small raid typically 12-13

[faint harness]

I tunnel boss on zaqul heroic, havent done mythic prog yet

[bleak spoke]

because that sort of thing would make you drop 10 ranks

[royal lantern]

you need like 3 ranged people

[clever shadow]

so not alot of choice, but then get asked why my numbers are in green parses

[bleak spoke]

but now it's like lmao just get lucky xd

[faint harness]

yep

[bleak spoke]

still better than that week at the start of this tier i had to play lucid major

my god

[royal lantern]

lets you do something that REALLY fucks your dps on a fight where padding rules the logs

[bleak spoke]

you have more casts

[faint harness]

my old brain is overloaded with all the shit i need to keep track off tho

[royal lantern]

complains about green logs

[bleak spoke]

than literally anyone else in the raid

with lucid major it's aids

i think at some point i filled every global for over a minute on pull

[faint harness]

I never played with lucid major personally, had bote rank 3 first week

[royal lantern]

same lel

[sudden ocean]

Lucid major

[bleak spoke]

man you have no idea what sort of bullshit you didn't have to deal with

[clever shadow]

yeah we have an insane shaman and hunter who post purples 100%

[faint harness]

I am happy i didnt have to

[royal lantern]

why is lifeforce better then bote

[faint harness]

[royal lantern]

lifeforce feels so crappy too use

blood actually feels good

[faint harness]

lifeforce is legit the most boring essence in the game

fire and forget

[royal lantern]

blood rank4 cast is legit the best thing in the game

[faint harness]

what does it look like

[royal lantern]

a bit like a azerite holy nova

but there is a fking choir in the background for the 5seconds

[faint harness]

I only have visions rank 4, never bothered getting the 50k honor for rank 4 bote

[royal lantern]

you feel like god in those 5seconds where you do your 120k envenom crits

[bleak spoke]

man i want rank 4

i think next week i grind

[faint harness]

is it bg wek

week

[bleak spoke]

yeah

[faint harness]

Might do it

50k is done in what, 3-4 days

[royal lantern]

its not loud or something, but it feels sooo good

[bleak spoke]

man i did the last 27k for bote in one night

[cobalt gyro]

Sub i got bis pvp azerite at least so we meme

[bleak spoke]

two weeks ago

[faint harness]

[royal lantern]

@clever shadow 🤷 zaqul is a 100%padfight for logs

[bleak spoke]

i played marked for death blade rush outlaw and slapped people

[royal lantern]

if you want good logs on him

use m+ aoe gear

only attack adds

[bleak spoke]

for 14 hours

i wanted to die

[royal lantern]

go into delirium realm

otherwise you wont get good logs

[cobalt gyro]

I wanna try purification during bgs and see if i can proc an instakill

[bleak spoke]

there's no way l0l

[clever shadow]

yeah my shaman friends parse is a 47k with top dmg in azerite laser.. with the little things being #2 dmg, I have no dmg on those, 96% on boss at 29k

[bleak spoke]

i mean it just sounds like your raid doesn't understand what you should be doing

[clever shadow]

yes that could be

[royal lantern]

^

[cobalt gyro]

^

[bleak spoke]

which is probably tunneling the boss

and ignoring adds that aren't literally within melee range

and ignoring most of those too

[royal lantern]

you dont need too be a genius at the game too see the fight, and understand that melee into fear realm is...not great

[clever shadow]

ok thanks.. I've been feeling like shit about my numbers and I'm asked to do alot of things that don't involve tunneling boss

[bleak spoke]

man i actually don't have the faintest idea how half the realms on zaqul even work

i just know there's the haste one i'm not allowed to go into on hc

[faint harness]

you do more dmg in orange realm

(:

[bleak spoke]

and the one that everyone screams for everyone to go into

[royal lantern]

i mean, normal realm is kill boss,cleave adds

[bleak spoke]

with extra action button

[royal lantern]

fear is kill castere

[bleak spoke]

man is that why my parses are depleted

[faint harness]

I went into delirium on our HC funrun this week, but i used cds on pull so i had nothing and it was very underwhelming

[royal lantern]

delirium is kill boss,cleave adds, but now you have a safe #1-#3 dps spot

[bleak spoke]

i go inside and slap the boss

and i'm always slow to leave

[royal lantern]

delirium is underwhelming as rogue in general

[bleak spoke]

no not delirium

the other one

[royal lantern]

its too much haste, you dont really benefit from it

[clever shadow]

hysteria

you overcap alot in hysteria

[royal lantern]

spriest scale endless with haste cus of how insanity works

[faint harness]

yea i dunno, didnt feel anything

[royal lantern]

sin rogue simply attacks faster, cus you are at full energy all the time

[faint harness]

meanwhile spriest doing 120k dps

[bleak spoke]

can you take a look at this and tell me if i'm memeing myself https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/aVXRxbnPm8QJFWAr#fight=55&type=damage-done&source=16

cuz i feel like i'm flying on that fight up until i have to go to places

and then i don't feel like i'm flying anymore

[royal lantern]

spriest in delirium is so stupid lel, they could legit play surrender2madness

[faint harness]

just dont go places

[bleak spoke]

oh shit

you right

honestly they won't even fucking notice

lmao

[faint harness]

nope

[bleak spoke]

i'm honestly going to have to sit down and read up on that fight

but i don't think my guild progs it on M for at least another week

[clever shadow]

we have not killed it on heroic yet

[faint harness]

if im not in delirium on that boss i legit tunnel boss until its dead

i sit on it like a leech

[clever shadow]

last night we wiped for a while with the new tether dmg lol

[bleak spoke]

oh yeah they changed that

so ppl couldn't 1 tank it

[clever shadow]

yeah our monk add tank was getting rofl'd all night

[zinc furnace]

Gentlemen, did you have a chance test crucible of flame R3 in M+s? Ive seen mediocre sims on herodmg, but wonder how it goes on practice. Dont have BOTE and never will have time to get R3 anyway

[bleak spoke]

i wouldn't play crucible in m+ for assa

you're already locked on globals after you set up your dots

[zinc furnace]

The alternative for me is R3 iris or just leave aoe to rest of group and go with R3 guardian...

[bleak spoke]

iris soudns like the best option

[warm sable]

Whats opener with Font and Life Force essence

MA ofc

[cobalt pelican]

it's a mystery

[real bay]

font before pull and same as always

[bright smelt]

oof

thats a lot of haste

[tropic ocean]

nice

[steep obsidian]

oh the proc actually scales with ilvl too?

hmm i never noticed that

[bright smelt]

yah didnt know that either, just thought it was a static number

[fiery gull]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[upbeat geode]

My second vanish comes off cd 6-8 sec before tb, do you guys wait with vanish untill that tb window?

[faint harness]

In 95% of cases yes

[cobalt pelican]

as long as it's still inside vendetta yeah

i'd think over the course of a fight even under the weird circumstances you lose 1 vanish the tb value would probably be pretty close

[upbeat geode]

yea its well within vendetta

[faint harness]

I dont think ive lost a vanish to doing that yet

[upbeat geode]

push do you tb before or after the vanish?

[faint harness]

Before

I do env-mut-env in ma window

[upbeat geode]

thanks!

[dark crag]

Vanish/vend will never come off cd with tb even if you use all 3 together. Tb has 25 sec cd, vend/vanish 2 min. Do the math

5×25=125

[upbeat geode]

yes, so the question was is it worth to wait 5 sec with vanish

[strange python]

!benthic

Bad discord

[upbeat geode]

[dark crag]

If the boss dies the next 5 sec, no. Else yes

[strange python]

Ok looked at pins for benthic didn’t see which item is first prio, can u tell?

[vapid scarab]

Boot

[strange python]

Ok ty

[vapid scarab]

You could also simply do a droptimizer sim

[strange python]

Would take longer than asking

• im on mobile

[upbeat geode]

its probably boots first, i would sim the other 2

[vapid scarab]

Would also be more accurate

[solid nova]

Depends whats in your other slots

I took boots first

Then fished for bracers

[strange python]

I think all my benthic slots are 440 or 435 not sure atm

What’s even the overall dps gain in say 4 benthics 420 vs 4 440s?

[vapid scarab]

[faint harness]

yuge

[strange python]

Cant now

[vapid scarab]

So do it later

[strange python]

I don’t need accurate numbers

Just an estimation

[ornate meteor]

Then later?

[vapid scarab]

Okay

1000000 dps

[strange python]

..

[vapid scarab]

You said u didn’t need accurate numbers

[strange python]

But I said estimation

[vapid scarab]

Right, there’s my inaccurate estimation

[upbeat geode]

hes just not that good at esimating, thats why we sim

[vapid scarab]

Hope it helped

[real bay]

my 455 belt sims 82dps less than 420 benthic socket. a 440 is much worse

[strange python]

That’s not an estimation that’s a troll answer. I mean just imagine one has 440 overall with good traits and nice stats nothing extreme or off and then changes the 440s to 420 benthics

Like, do I gain 1k dps or more towards 5

Because I won’t farm them for 1k😅

[unkempt karma]

Dont need to farm. Do dailies and roll, be lucky or not

thats what I did, with only one char as main. And I got 3 parts with a socket. Boots, waist, and puffer wrists

[vapid scarab]

Farm or forever be lesser than everyone who did

[idle ember]

Farmed on 6 120s for 2+ weeks every. single. day. and never got socketed boots. One night with 38 sets to click I even got every single other combination except the crit ones with a socket. After that I'm content with being lesser then everyone else.

[strange python]

@idle ember that’s what I hate about 8.2 when playing a dps class, such bs

Im more and more maining my tank atm tbh because of that

[idle ember]

Yep. Toss in the fact I've gotten 440 of every trinket except font or coral and rocking my 395 gift, my first residuum week I rolled the second to worst shoulders and last week I rolled the absolute worst shoulders. It's been a pretty good patch thus far.

I just thought about taking a break but I'll ride it through until the end of the month, if my luck doesn't change I may hit classic a little harder then originally intended.

[strange python]

Yeh my guild wants me to farm the benthics but I don’t look forward to this rng bullshit fuck this game

[young portal]

Took me 199 sets to get socketed crit boots, didnt care how long it took I was going to get them. They're bis ~ for the rest of the tier, ride the grind out don't give up

[strange python]

That’s 1k pearls for 1 item without upgrades, wouldn’t even have that time😅

[young portal]

Yup, did dailies on 4 chars for weeks. Felt good when I finally got them tho

[untold current]

No one say u have to get a socket tho. Your farming for bis what do u expect?

I mean...that's the game

[vapid scarab]

Took me 3 rolls so

[strange python]

I am okay with farming bis in dungeons or raids but not with hoping for 2 procs that have to occur on the same time with absolute luck u cant say it is ever been such bullshit because that’s not true

[vapid scarab]

15 pearls for bis

[young portal]

Not complaining by any means the grind is what it is, just stating the fact that he shouldn't give up haha

[untold current]

It has tho. Guilds go through whole tiers of farm without bis weapons or trinkets drop, how is that better?

[bright smelt]

at least it's not the legendary grind again

[untold current]

At least u have some modicum of control over a few items.

[strange python]

Instead u got HoA and essences 🤣 @bright smelt

[bright smelt]

that you can control

leggies you could not

esp early legion

[untold current]

Just bc u didn't get it doesnt mean others dont. It's literally the game design since vanilla.

[strange python]

I miss the times where just gear that actually drops as one piece and is bis was a factor

Not hoping for procs

[bright smelt]

would screw with the replayability of the game then

[strange python]

No hoa farming

[bright smelt]

thats the factor theyre also looking for, farming X thing keeps you playing

[onyx rock]

The grind has become too much imo. I actualy did quit the game 2 weeks ago becouse of this. Was raiding CE since Legion and i was ok with the grind but now... its just feels like work and not a game you enjoy. Atleast for me... i am turning 30 in a month so maybe i am just to old for this shit i dunno

[strange python]

Yes of course but this is very alt unfriendly too

@onyx rock this

[sterile chasm]

How u farm Pearls?

[bright smelt]

you kill rares and do wqs / the naz battle

[strange python]

Id just stick to 1 char mate, 2-3 expacs ago i had 5 alts + now im a 1 MAYBE 2 Character guy ^^^ @onyx rock

[bright smelt]

thats bout it

[strange python]

I think being competitive on alts nowadays (DPS HPS) to be top you have to put allooott of work in

@strange python I currently have 2 chars which are both 435+ and 57 hoa with some essences but even with 2 it’s annoying to keep up on both that’s why they are both just 57

[young portal]

Kill Algan + rares, do dailies, WQ's, weekly lab for Pearl's

[bright smelt]

algan?

[strange python]

meh i just CBA to do it all everyday x2 :DD @strange python

especially as Titanforging exists it feels like your NEVER in BiS

so there is always that "Potential Upgrade " to get (worst feeling EU ! 😄 )

@strange python I don’t do it either that’s why they are 57 and I miss some essences, but don’t wanna dump one of them

[young portal]

Lost Algan and Wayward Algan are mobs scattered across Naz, they drop Pearl's and benthic tokens once per week I believe(not 100% drop rate ofc)

[strange python]

Yes @strange python the forging is the next bullshit I could quit for lol

[onyx rock]

They actually drop it daylie but they have a diminishing returns mechanic... so when you got pearls from 4-5 the next ones dont drop any more

[strange python]

Yeah i think WF Titanforge ect makes it x1000 more grindy because doing it you "Might get an upgrade" 😄 , Like Clearing Normal each week takes time 😛

😦

And rng Sockets is the next thing

The list goes on

yep 😦 , only think i like with 8.2 so far is : "we have a few more buttons"

and the Raid isnt too bad

I like my tank atm, he has dropluck af compared to my rogue too, bis traits, 5 sockets etc 🤣

wtf :DDD @strange python

[bright smelt]

@young portal does it show up on rare scanners and such? Don't think I've killed that thing

[young portal]

@bright smelt no, I made a macro 'target Lost Algan, target Wayward Algan' and I spam it as I'm doing my dailies. They're non aggressive mobs

[onyx rock]

Just fly around and use this WA @bright smelt https://wago.io/K4vzOL1j2

[strange python]

@strange python comparison: rogue 5 ilvl lower, 1 socket, trash traits🤬

[bright smelt]

@onyx rock cheers!

[onyx rock]

You need to see the nameplate for it to work. so higher nameplate distance = better

[bright smelt]

you can change that distance?

[strange python]

Yes with addons at least don’t know about standard interface

[jolly comet]

what weak auras do people use to track interrupts? also i have seen rogues have like a countdown and call out for shroud. is that a weak aura or a mod?

[onyx rock]

With any Nameplate Addon yes, dunno about Blizzard ones @bright smelt

[strange python]

@jolly comet Type in wago io interrupt tracker and shroud timer or stuff you will find

[bright smelt]

@jolly comet I use weakaura for both

[onyx rock]

Its a Weakaura from Nnogga @jolly comet ...you can find it on wago.io under his profile

[jolly comet]

ok thank you

[bright smelt]

the shroud countdown is easy to make yourself

[covert ingot]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[covert ingot]

That one was for my own benefit btw 🙂

[waxen nacelle]

Does shadowmeld activate MA?

[jolly comet]

dont think so. but i wish!

[lime marsh]

Shadowmeld doesnt. Shadowmeld stealth does, but you cant use that on bossee

Bosses

[waxen nacelle]

Ok

[neon sedge]

Question: assuming I am use TB and MA without SS. Opener looks like Garrote> mutilate till 4+> Rupture > GLF > Trinket>Vend>Mutilate>TB

more or less curious about GLF and trinkets on the GCD

[rigid mango]

gondenced life force?

[neon sedge]

sorry yeah CLF

[rigid mango]

Depends a bit on your trinket

[arctic walrus]

what trinket exactly

[neon sedge]

just a pocket sized

and harlan's

[devout bone]

I'm hearing phial is not a great trinket in M+ for aoe. The sims claim it is, though. What would come out on top for AOE? Spy glass?

[fervent jasper]

If I had to guess I'd say the coral because of the crit

Great synergy with seal fate and echoing blades

[shell lodge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uA3fZKkruQ6MsHuk48UMzF noice, finally past 40k. : P Whats the biggest sims so far ? heard around 45k +/- ?

[arctic walrus]

49k

[shell lodge]

Nice : P

[solid nova]

Nah we've had some 51k+

[nimble tartan]

51 😳

[solid nova]

Ill find it just for you

[arctic walrus]

o oops

Haven't kept up with you guys the last few days

[solid nova]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3hYrRHorrReikCH2VLsThd

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