#assassination

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azure shoal
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getting some real mantle flashbacks honestly

lusty narwhal
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^

fallow otter
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after getting shafted for luck for what felt like forever getting goraks made everything ok

faint harness
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i'm just gonna grab the better shoulders from raid and be happy

lusty narwhal
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Theyre not better than goraks

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But close

fallow otter
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do you get angry irl when you get to him in WCM

faint harness
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no, but there are 2 shoulders in the raid

frail dome
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best slot to gamble for?

fallow otter
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@faint harness well technically there are buttt.....

frail dome
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just asking for my rogue alt

azure shoal
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shoulders ๐Ÿ’ฏ

faint harness
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shoulders Pepelaugh

lusty narwhal
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Doesnt chest have more possibilities to be a decent slot lol

faint harness
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chest from raid is decent tho

fallow otter
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its more that behe chest is easy to get compared to most azerite

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and is good

faint harness
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only a few 100 dps difference

lusty narwhal
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Radiance shoulders have loyal and DD tho

faint harness
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think it was at like 200-250 dps diff

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i think the other shoulders are better

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cus they have OP

fallow otter
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radiance shoulders and behe chest are both good

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not best but good

faint harness
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I'll take it as consolidation for the terrible RNG game

fallow otter
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zaqul helm, radiance shoulders and behe chest is decent azerite

faint harness
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engineering head as well

bleak spoke
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I want a zaqul helm

harsh sphinx
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think you've had enough for one day. gonna have to cut you off

mystic talon
chilly pecan
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
fallow otter
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not looking forward to the respec dance im going to have to do when i get home once we down the first 3 and we are back on gorgonzola again... wtb backup azeritessss

reef mulch
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Channeling Font of Power knocks you outta stealth now? even with Subt seems like

fallow otter
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ive never had subt so its always knocked me out but yep thats what im being told, not sure if its a "fix" or not

reef mulch
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seems getting the buff knocks you out

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cus channeling till buff pops seems fine

fallow otter
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oh interesting, pretty sure mine breaks as soon as the channel starts with MA

reef mulch
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ye with MA it does

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but subt allows you a bit ofc

cobalt flame
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yeah why does it work differently every week. First u could channel with every talent , then only with subterfuge and now it knocks you out even with subterfuge

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how can one trinket work differently every week pepehands

fallow otter
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hmmm so, can you stand next to boss with good timing and everything is fine? or do you get globaled at the end

reef mulch
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can get 12sec, so the first tick and still do subt opener, nice for pvp i guess ๐Ÿ˜›

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cant channel full anymore

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but ye @cobalt flame , every week is fuckin different haha

fallow otter
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not sure what you mean

reef mulch
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well, it channels in ticks right

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up to 30s

fallow otter
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whats stopping you channeling for the full 4s?

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ohhh

reef mulch
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well, losing subterfuge i guess

fallow otter
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it breaks on the first tick?

reef mulch
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yes

fallow otter
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ahh i thought you mean it just breaks once it ends

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ok well that sucks

reef mulch
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nah that would be great haha

cobalt flame
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We were doing 16 waycrest now and i was like im fucking sure i had stealth before i started channeling

fallow otter
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ok well it looks like you are sstepping in like us now

cobalt flame
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and i noticed like 2 channels later

reef mulch
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ye exactly ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

cobalt pelican
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at least it's consistent now

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even if it's consistently shit

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:')

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thanks blizzard

reef mulch
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lol

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imagine my shock 2 weeks ago ninja pulling Ashvane with MA ๐Ÿ˜› instagibbed and no clue wtf happend

cobalt flame
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well

reef mulch
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just annoying theres no documentation on the changes anywhere

cobalt flame
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i guess i will use 445 radiance trinket + 445 galecaller or dice instead of font for dungeons ๐Ÿคท takes too long waiting for me to channel and stealth every time

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or , how do you even use coral in dungeons?

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you can never get stacks if everything dies can you?

reef mulch
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well

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you get the stacks of the mobs when they die

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at least, thats what my guildie noticed, havent got it myself yet

fallow otter
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ye, you get the stacks when the mob dies

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and that buff can stack ontop of another one

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its weird

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basically on trash you keep spamming it on mobs

lost tree
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Raiment of BLighted Tribe 445 PeepoShrug

fallow otter
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welcome to the blighted tribe bro

lost tree
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i mean i got gorak tul first 445 shoulders so i deserve nothing else pepehands

fallow otter
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i have the same combo in the opposite order

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from my gambling

lost tree
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Stunkei to your comment on #outlaw is it only worth it to play sin M+ with 3 EB 3 SS or are less okayish

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doin 30k + DPS as outlaw with decent gear

fallow otter
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im not into sin m+ at all - im so used to outlaw for m+ i just stick to that, i cant live without gouge so i just respec my sin gear if im lookin to push otherwise i just have my back azerite for outlaw

lost tree
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i have the same lol ๐Ÿ˜„

fallow otter
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afaik 3xEB 3xSS with blood3 can pump some good aoe but not sure what its like outside of that window

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many more people in here to answer that question much more accurately than i can

lost tree
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would have only 1 EB and only 2 SS anyways so i stick to outlaw i guess

cobalt pelican
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i think the general consensus that playing 3eb 3ss basically just makes you a worse version of outlaw

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like, if you need that much trash damage there's no benefit to playing this spec unless you enjoy it

echo cargo
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better version* than outlul

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๐Ÿ˜‚

cobalt pelican
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there are benefits in other areas of dungeons but eh

faint harness
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I am firmly in the outlaw gang for m+ now, it just provides more utility on top of not having to juggle azerite traits and respec every time its raid

fallow otter
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speaking of which im heading home to respec for mythic now

cobalt pelican
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the set i'm doing orgozoa in is so fucked up that like

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i keep having to reforge between like

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4 different trait sets

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in 1 set of gear

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poor soon :')

wispy salmon
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If im raiding with punch card and coral do i use punch card on pull with vendetta and delay getting stacks of coral or do i just use it outside of vendetta?

faint harness
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I only have to respec head for outlaw, thank god

cobalt pelican
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i might try and find a compromise set for orgozoa so that i'm not playing 3wits which is useless for literally everything else during the week

robust zephyr
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how much consistent dps are people doing with outlaw for aoe? with 3x EB using no cooldowns i hold 72k vs 4 targets. ive been having a blast with it in m+ since it isnt cooldown reliant at all and maintains consistency more than anything ive ever played

cobalt pelican
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but the difference last week to the next closest set that was like m+ playable on 4t patchwerk was like 4k

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so i wa slike ah hhhhhh

faint harness
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Man i was blasting ST as outlaw on our orgozoa kill

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Its def possible

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if you dont run 3 wits i guess

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Avahri on orogozoa i can hold close to 70k dps in p1 over several minutes

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as outlaw

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while doing about 41k st dps

cobalt pelican
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assassination is pretty big ownage on 4size packs if they live like perfectly shrouded length

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but that's just way too many caveats to a pull

faint harness
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also gimps ur ST to shit

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compared to outlaw that can just sit there and slam away at main target

robust zephyr
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i only run EB on trash and m+ since i hate playing outlaw

faint harness
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Not fond of outlaw myself, but i dont think spamming fok is a big difference

cobalt pelican
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i enjoy both thankfully so i kinda just play whatever my gear is for the week

faint harness
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I managed to get my RL send me some gold for the outlaw respecs on orgozoa, mans aint cheap

cobalt pelican
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if it gets extortionate

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i'll yoink the money myself

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it's still pretty tolerable for now though

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just a pain in the ass

jolly elbow
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Does having lust during opener change when you want to use lucid dreams?

faint harness
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havent played with lucid major since week 1 of 8.2

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but yea i would suppose so

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you dont want to overcap ur energy

cobalt pelican
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it doesn't like change the condition for when you use it it's just going to push it back naturally

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probably by only like 5 seconds or so though

jolly elbow
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Ahhk, I see, so probably after your second MA wears off

wispy salmon
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If im raiding with punch card and coral do i use punch card on pull with vendetta and delay getting stacks of coral or do i just use it outside of vendetta?

faint harness
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you delay the punchcard, im quite sure

robust zephyr
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coral at start, blast when you wont overcap energy

cobalt pelican
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just apply your coral first global

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even if you were playing punchcard+fking nothing

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i doubt you'd use card inside vendetta

wispy salmon
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sweet

faint harness
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you wouldnt

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since it wont increase its dmg

wispy salmon
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and if im using normal coral use dice over punch card?

faint harness
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the only time it might be questionable is if you'd lose 1 use but thats stretching it

cobalt pelican
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idk what this question means

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use dice over coral you mean?

faint harness
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"normal coral" monkaHmm

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the ilvl on your dice matters too

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the punchcard is really strong until you get like 430+ coral/font

scarlet sequoia
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so fucking large

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i am a god

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hell yeah

cobalt pelican
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gross

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now you just need to do 1000 islands

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and 50k wowie

scarlet sequoia
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yup yup

faint harness
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ur fucking azerite

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is actually insane

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i sim at 47.5k and i'd say i have decent gear

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but thats just nuts

scarlet sequoia
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i get 63 in a minute

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will be even bigger

cobalt pelican
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another week of 440 base boots from the pvp chest

faint harness
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i dont even get 440 items from pvp chest PepegaHands

cobalt pelican
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there should be a law of 1 trophy every 3 weeks

lost tree
faint harness
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you can get benthic belt

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for easy upgrade

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im sure the cyclotronic trinket beats dice at 430

lost tree
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say this to my pearls pepehands

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and yeah it does but 2 Use trinkets sucks

faint harness
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not really

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you wanna delay cyclotronic either way

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and its only a 20 second cd between trinkets

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so nothing changes

lost tree
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so i use Coral at pull as always and after burst i use cyclonic?

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sim says -42

barren forge
faint harness
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unlucky

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rip

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what stats does ur yellow card have

lost tree
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mastery haste

rigid sonnet
faint harness
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seems like it

rigid sonnet
lost tree
faint harness
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elsefyr wtf

barren forge
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people just need that /flex in discord

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@lost tree have you tried crit gems and enchants

lost tree
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yep sims worse for the last sims i did. Will try again i guess

faint harness
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I have like 1850 crit now and its still up there in stat weight

barren forge
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trying a sim for you right now @lost tree

lost tree
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thanks ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

barren forge
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1888 tells me: go haste @faint harness

faint harness
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yea haste is barely my best stat atm

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0.10 or something diff

lost tree
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Raidbots told me as soon as i got T3 CLF i should go haste

barren forge
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i dont have coral -.- only azsharas hc

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hopefully today on ashvane mythic

faint harness
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445 coral with socket EZ pepeClap

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paired with 440 font with socket

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wont change trinkets for a while

cobalt pelican
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.

faint harness
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noobs get loot

stone crescent
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Just double checking, after first vendetta, use CLF on CD even without lining it with vendetta?

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Like, I don't hold anything?

rigid mango
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Shoulf be in pins

stone crescent
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Yeah saw it, just wanted to double check and all.

scarlet sequoia
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@gusty kestrel i got trophy 2 weeks in a row pepeLaugh

rigid mango
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I mean, do you expect there to be incorrect info pinned

faint harness
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yes

scarlet sequoia
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yep

lost tree
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which rating do ineed for 445?

faint harness
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is trophy RNG?

scarlet sequoia
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2.1 for 445 azerite

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and yes trophy is rng

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for now

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yea

faint harness
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ya but that takes forever

scarlet sequoia
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it is

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it scales with rating

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ya

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99% sure it scales with rating

faint harness
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what will the trophy do if you're rival rated

scarlet sequoia
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just like the ones from last few seasons did

faint harness
barren forge
scarlet sequoia
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imagine not simming 48k

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i cant imagine the pain everyone else must feel

faint harness
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I cant sim atm, but i beat your sim by a few 100 dps 4Head

barren forge
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you are simming 48k @scarlet sequoia ? whats that? world first?

faint harness
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I sim 47.5k

scarlet sequoia
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๐Ÿ˜„

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49k in a moment

faint harness
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craziest azerite in the west

rigid mango
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Genuinly like

barren forge
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and doing a green log at blackwater in 3 kills ๐Ÿ˜„ nice dude

young portal
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Wowwwwwwww lmao

scarlet sequoia
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hell yeah

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ive died every week

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you love to see it

rigid mango
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BiS week what

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3/4?

faint harness
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how do you die

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get the big nuke twice in a row?

cobalt pelican
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just dont breath

lost tree
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there are people at 65 neck oof

real bay
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actually how lucky has to one get for double pvp azerites

faint harness
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its guaranteed by conquest caps

barren forge
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you didnt even die @rich whale

lost tree
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i thought i was lucky with first 445 Gorak pepehands

real bay
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445 from conquest caps?

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isnt those from weekly

faint harness
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get the trophy

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that upgrades it

lost tree
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you can hold the Conquest cap and upgrade

real bay
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yea, more rng

faint harness
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๐Ÿคท

scarlet sequoia
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? @barren forge

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are you some kind of stupid

faint harness
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Here we go

rigid mango
scarlet sequoia
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you really think im gonna get a green log without dying

rigid mango
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Doesn't seem like you died monkaW

faint harness
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Look at dmg graph

lost tree
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you did obviously peophammer

barren forge
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you did ๐Ÿ˜„

faint harness
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its like 1.5 minute without dmg being done

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at the end of the fight

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then rezd it seems

willow coral
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Is it worth upgrading puffer fish wrists with a socket?

rigid mango
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Aye just doesn't show in death log

faint harness
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it doesnt show sometimes

scarlet sequoia
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i am not completely lost

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i have died every kill

rigid mango
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So have I

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So

scarlet sequoia
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i would have to sit there and auto attack to get a green log

rigid mango
scarlet sequoia
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stop being dumb as fuck pls

shrewd night
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@scarlet sequoia Its time to chill

scarlet sequoia
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fine

lost tree
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but then why it doesnt show? pepehands

faint harness
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maybe got eaten by the big shark

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certain shit doesnt show up in death logs

barren forge
scarlet sequoia
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on the green log i died last platform to aoe from boss because i was 10% hp and some1 interrupted boss before we killed puffer

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there u go

faint harness
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we're doing a pepege strat on that fight so i'll have to be GCD perfect to get orange log

barren forge
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or just sim with 49k ๐Ÿ˜‚

faint harness
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im not far off 4Head

lost tree
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imagine being in a guild where you can do logs lul

faint harness
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i mean you can log the first bosses by playing solo

rigid mango
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Imagine having good gear

fallow estuary
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3rd time in a row i roll Pistoleer's shoulders

faint harness
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GG

fallow estuary
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i stopped believing that this is random

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someone hates me

shrewd night
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Just coin the good gear, idk what you on about

rigid mango
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Ima chill w my 45k sim or something

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Yeah man

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Just gonna suck off RL's this wrek

faint harness
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just do it 4Head

rigid mango
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So I get coral

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Since that's how it works in this guild (:

lost tree
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i sim 42k i think i need a Head very soon Engineers googles doenst look that good peophammer

rigid mango
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I'll give helm roll a shot when I get home

lost tree
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i guess i will just play pvp get trophy for 445 Head pepeez kappa

barren forge
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dont worry. you could just see that even 49k doesnt help you on boss 3 lul @lost tree

scarlet sequoia
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u seem a bit sad here gee

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what is your issue

barren forge
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not really lul just amused

signal summit
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why even attacking other players

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lol

scarlet sequoia
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i just explained to you what happened rofl

barren forge
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because he flexed with his sim @signal summit

scarlet sequoia
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are you this deluded or

signal summit
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i would also show it tbh

scarlet sequoia
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you asked for it?

lost tree
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okay guys keep calm peophammer

signal summit
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its no reason to flame

scarlet sequoia
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you asked if i simmed what i do and i linked

signal summit
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dafuq

scarlet sequoia
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and then you attack me

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rofl

barren forge
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i didnt ask for your 49k sim with a /flex

rigid mango
barren forge
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i didnt ask for your sim at all ๐Ÿ˜„

shrewd night
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Im still here btw.

signal summit
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holy shit

real bay
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sim, who cares, all bout luck

rigid mango
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Someone else did

shrewd night
rigid mango
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Just idk what this argument is

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Why are u taking potshots at taz

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Raz*

scarlet sequoia
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sure ive been lucky, but i also play every aspect of the game at the highest level to get the best gear so idk what this guys issue is

signal summit
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@scarlet sequoia what its worth im impressed, 49k is huge

rigid mango
signal summit
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sadly havnt got any throphies yet

young portal
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Leave the guy alone lmao, attacking him for no reason haha. Dead impressed with that 49k sim tho, gj

winter moss
barren forge
shrewd night
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Social interactions 101 - If you dont like posts, you can a) ignore the post, b) ignore the poster, c) report them if they break rules or d) tilt
If you opt for option d, be ready to get told to chill, or worse ๐Ÿคท

rigid mango
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Or worse PES_Ban

fallow estuary
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Never seen someone gettin tilted into oblivion over a sim

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dude must've been really unlucky

mighty elm
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๐Ÿฟ is there drama pog ?

vestal wren
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nope, shows over

mighty elm
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cmon keep it going ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

rigid mango
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It's the sin channel, that's all there is here.

royal lantern
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who cares about sims anyway

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we all just link them too flex anyway lol

faint harness
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Sims doesnt matter much, its just fun to compare

winter moss
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imma dab on you all with my 42,5k sims

strange python
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the first stepping stone is getting benthic pieces though

frigid briar
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simulations for races were done with or without essences? (on herodamage)

winter moss
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thats actually i question id like to see answered

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*push

cobalt pelican
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people with more gear than me are luckers who suck

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and people with worse gear than me

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are nooblets

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who also suck

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i am the best.

strange python
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fuck it
time to just get 3x SS and play exsang

faint harness
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Kappa

frigid briar
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just wondering because haste seems to sky rocket with azerite boy, troll might actually be super strong

shrewd night
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Just toss in the races in your topgear sim and it should be ez to find out

faint harness
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I am not seeing the haste sky rocket

cobalt pelican
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same i still have red gems

faint harness
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On par with crit for me

cobalt pelican
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with like 2 yellow gems

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for style points

royal lantern
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my sims still tell me too use crit/mastery gems instead of haste ๐Ÿคท

strange python
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and you are using CLF

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correct?

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rank 3

cobalt pelican
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i'm one of those people that forgets mastery exists solely because i don't have enough iterations to do all 4 stats

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so i could be simming like 57k with mastery gems

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and i'd never know

frigid briar
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rank 3 for me?

strange python
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nah the people saying that haste is on par with crit

cerulean depot
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why could lucid dream major sim 2k ahead of the raid one? both r3

faint harness
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I use clf/lucid

frigid briar
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41k with undilated waters, cute

strange python
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yeah, BotE as i thought

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smh

faint harness
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Why would crit be better with bote

royal lantern
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i could use my 420 chest wich is like 80dps less ๐Ÿคท

strange python
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of course crit/mast sims higher when you have a different essence

cobalt pelican
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hwat

faint harness
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Anyway, i use clf/lucid and got 1850 crit and its still best

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Haste is like on par tho, but its not enough to change gems and as soon as i do that it wants me to get crit

frigid briar
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whats cooldown on troll racial? 2 or 3m?

cobalt pelican
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3

frigid briar
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so ties in with azerite boy then

cobalt pelican
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yaa but i mean like

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it's such a short buff

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it's probably nice but like

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not significant enough to care about

royal lantern
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(like all racials tbh)

faint harness
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Unless you're nightborne you're fine

strange python
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10% haste for 12 sec aint something to joke about

frigid briar
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im undead rn, going troll gives me 300 dps according to hero damage, should be more with azerite bro

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and the fact haste is now my best simming stat with it

royal lantern
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we talk about 300dps

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300

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thats something you see in the sims

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and never in reality

frigid briar
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lol

faint harness
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Replace undead with troll in stat weight sim

strange python
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kek

frigid briar
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I assure you

shrewd night
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Just uuuh.. Sim it, Infexious? Simming the races aint hard.

frigid briar
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that on on use to burst with other cds would be more benificial than undead racial

faint harness
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Probably really good for heroic logs

cobalt pelican
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it's like 100something dps for me playing clf already from nelf to troll

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and i'd gain more by just

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being human

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but i mean

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toes

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and fat

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so

faint harness
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Imagine being alliance

cosmic prism
real bay
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fรณr the boy king

faint harness
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Gachigasm

cosmic prism
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enjoy being stunned for the full jes howlis stun duration EZ

cerulean depot
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what is wrong with this sim? peepostudy

shrewd night
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World vein

real bay
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im orc, imagine the gainz

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if i change

fallow estuary
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you made the effort to farm 4x benthic pieces but only rock a 420 weapon

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how

cobalt pelican
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never lucky

fallow estuary
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just spam underrot keys or smth

shrewd night
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Also, how you using subterfuge? My impression was that was no bueno without SS.

cerulean depot
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4 rolls, 4 bis pieces

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no farm

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this is alt xd

shrewd night
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Point still stands

cerulean depot
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cba doing m+

dim yacht
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as a sin rogue in m+ (go ahead and laugh, im not outlaw) how do you deal with using font of power? from what i can tell it breaks stealth, and i cant exactly expect the tank to just wait 4 seconds before he pulls trash

strange python
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it doesn't break if you use subterfuge which you should be using

dim yacht
#

i am, and it broke my stealth

strange python
#

stealth fixed then

#

if that is what broke your stealth

dim yacht
#

looks like

#

i tried it again. my stealth breaks after 1 second of channeling

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everytime

cobalt pelican
#

yeah it breaks subterfuge now

dim yacht
#

well thats bull

cobalt pelican
#

your only choice is to use it like before stealthing but it's unreliable enough that i'd just

dim yacht
#

what a let down

cobalt pelican
#

look for like

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a new trinket

dim yacht
#

razor coral doesnt seem that great in m+ either, from what i could tell using it

cobalt pelican
#

m'humans

reef mulch
#

Coral is pretty nice in m+, you get stacks when mobs die anyways

real bay
#

pog 440 dagger of chest, sivara can suck my D

long hill
#

is there an azshara trinket command? for know when to use it?

frigid briar
#

5 second before burst?

dim yacht
#

kinda sucks that both the best trinkets arent really great for m+, i might just have to suck up the font of power in m+

can anybody shed clarity on what puts you specifically in combat? it seems really inconsistent. if the tank chain pulls and i dont folllow them, i still get in combat. if they pull after the pack is dead when i havent stealthed yet, sometimes i seem to be able to stealth and sometimes i cant. is there a distance where i wont get in combat so i can safely use the font and stealth after?

#

and i tried out coral in m+. i know it uses stacks when mob dies, but it really doesnt seem to be all that potent nonetheless

#

on ST yeah, but thats about it. the crit is too small to really make anything significant happen on trash

tropic ocean
#

spyglass+ coral is nice

#

or lurkers instead of coral

strange python
#

Coral is really nice, you just apply it on cooldown

#

constant crit

#

which goes pretty well with EB

dim yacht
#

yeah, thats what i was doing. it just didnt seem to help me too much, or maybe the ilvl just wasnt high enough. i tried 415 coral with a 435 inkpod, and a 430 plumage just seemed to do alot better

outer venture
#

445 gorak tuls

#

woooo

cobalt pelican
#

plumage is always going to be immediately more noticable cause you have to like

#

use it at a time you want more damage and then you do more damage

#

you're not going to notice a small amount of proc damage/crit but it adds up over the course of a dungeon

#

and especially on tyrannical bosses coral probably just does more straight 2min cd dmg than plumage anyway at high enough keys

strange python
#

most tyrannical bosses you'll get 2x uses of vendetta either way

#

so its just much better

fallow estuary
#

Not a single sin rogue in Time Trials ๐Ÿ˜ข

cobalt pelican
#

not a single.. lots of th ings, really

undone sandal
#

426 ilvl simming 30k dps, feelsbadman

high crypt
#

Well this is assass channel

cobalt pelican
#

thank you for the astute observation

high crypt
#

Not all heroes wear capes

low junco
#

sims under 50k dps

winter moss
low junco
#

xd

cobalt flame
#

what setting i have wrong , cant see it but simmed like 2k lower hour ago

weary verge
#

0 Loyal allies

cobalt flame
#

that increases my dmg?

#

if u have lower amount of allies?

long hill
weary verge
#

Ohh I read it wrong, sorry

#

Thoughht you were lower now thhan earlier

cobalt flame
#

nope

#

in raid we have like 4-5 people

strange python
#

waist @long hill

long hill
#

thx!

cobalt flame
#

always upgrade benthics with pure dmg proc first

#

boots will always give u 2%

long hill
#

another thing, how do you test the dps on the dummy with details? he always reset my dps with vanish

winter moss
#

swalker id try to replace the mainhand as it has no socket aswell

long hill
#

Still using coin for that

#

soon

cobalt pelican
#

nothing really looks wrong with this sim

quasi pewter
#

430 gorak tul is 600 dps, 445 is ~1k, do i gamble some 430's instead? monkahmm

strange python
#

go for gold

frigid briar
#

I gambled

strange python
#

445 or bust

winter moss
#
  • font also has no socket
cobalt pelican
#

if you have any use for the other pieces for other stuff like m+ probably

frigid briar
#

didint work

cobalt pelican
#

+5 to shoulder isn't like

#

a million lightyears away though

#

so

solid nova
#

@long hill Set it to overall, not current

#

and it wont reset with vanish

dense cedar
#

WHy did they make Goruk Tul's so good

long hill
strange python
#

BBI peepohappy

dense cedar
#

@long hill its working

#

the overall number will only display post-combat

low junco
#

any luckers

#

i am siming 46k now

#

godbless

umbral fiber
quasi pewter
#

rank 1 essence monkahmm

faint harness
#

bad gear

#

i dunno man

quasi pewter
#

useless trait on chest

faint harness
#

seems kinda obvious to me

steady owl
#

If I sim myself without chaos brand, I sim about 1k less. What part of my damage is magic damage?

quasi pewter
#

no raid trinkets

umbral fiber
faint harness
#

all poisons count as magic dmg

steady owl
#

Oh. I thought that was nature damage

solid nova
#

Bad traits, bad trinkets, Bad essences, Benthic missing upgrades and sockets

#

Plenty of reasons

faint harness
#

well magic dmg is kinda iffy in this game

#

"nature dmg" is still magic

steady owl
#

Weird. Thanks

solid nova
#

EB/SS on chest with MA and Rank 1 bote, is it some scuffed M+ gear in a ST sim?

sudden ocean
#

So I landed a Coral, for is it only really useful for longer fights?

solid nova
umbral fiber
#

oh

#

i still had

#

m+ chest on

faint harness
#

rank 1 bote is not very good btw

#

dont sim that

solid nova
#

Cannonball runner too

#

Like use top gear my dude

faint harness
#

bote starts to shine at rank 3

solid nova
#

Your R2 lucid is probably better

umbral fiber
#

bote 2 also bad?

#

Could get it today

solid nova
#

And youve upgraded non socketed benthic weird

faint harness
#

bote 2 isnt great

#

not bad

#

but there are plenty essences that are better at lower ranks

solid nova
#

And you're using x2 force multiplier enchants on weapons?

umbral fiber
#

WTF

winter moss
faint harness
#

This guy, "Why is my sim bad"

umbral fiber
#

LMAO

winter moss
#

like are you even trying

solid nova
#

Top gear

#

Please

umbral fiber
#

Oke I come back in like 2 days Pepega

faint harness
cobalt pelican
#

inside the brain of an average rogue player

winter moss
#

rogue sin

sudden ocean
#

So how long on average does a fight have to be to make Coral better than a big on use like Lurkers?

winter moss
#

3 seconds

#

like idk what ilvl your lurkers is neither your coral

#

sockets

#

rest of gear

faint harness
#

๐Ÿ™‚

winter moss
#

mastery levels

#

trying to use it for m+?

cobalt pelican
#

for raid environments probably 2min20 or whatever

winter moss
#

as the crit conversion is also triggered when the mob dies

sudden ocean
#

Was just wondering whether for something like M commander with a lust on pull a big on use would be better

#

for a bigger lust window

faint harness
#

It lives long enough to make use of coral

cobalt pelican
#

should be pretty easy to sim out, just set 3min or whatever your kill timer is

#

kill timers on sivara vary from like 3 minutes to 6 minutes depending on how moronic your guild are

faint harness
sudden ocean
#

we're pretty moronic

faint harness
#

my best parse on that boss was a 4:30 kill kreygasm

sudden ocean
#

they let me in

cobalt pelican
#

feels like on sivara we just play like

#

last man standing

faint harness
#

How so

#

are ppl actually dying

cobalt pelican
#

ya

#

we never like wipe we always kill the boss with like

#

10 people alive though

faint harness
#

bad healers, questionmark

cobalt pelican
#

who knows. . . . . .

faint harness
#

For what its worth

#

sivara is imo more difficult than both behemoth and radiance

sudden ocean
#

problem we have is glimmer hpals

#

you lose a hpal it's a wipe

faint harness
cobalt pelican
#

it's been this way on every reclear for us idk

faint harness
#

if you have a lot of greedy players that just want to reset their stacks

#

it can be hectic

cobalt pelican
#

any gamers???????

faint harness
#

thats a pog killtime for rogue logs tho

#

just after burst

cobalt pelican
#

any dead gamers??????

faint harness
#

killing something at 4:30 is a nightmare tho

#

5:30

#

stop dying REEE

#

ur rogues

#

live up to the rep

cobalt pelican
#

our second kill wasn't much better it was like

#

5:32

#

epique

faint harness
#

5:32, rip logs

strange python
#

Hi, having some trouble with my sim. I believe going up to 23% haste from 19% BUT loosing 1% crit(down to 25%) and 3 Mastery(38%) isnโ€™t worth it. I feel weaker but I sim 170 more. What would you say?

vocal kelp
#

Sim

cobalt pelican
#

are you some kind of savant that can feel numbers touching you through your mouse

faint harness
#

I would trust the sims before your own "feeling"

strange python
#

Alright!

faint harness
#

25% crit is terrible tho

#

i wouldnt want to play with that

strange python
#

What would you go for?

faint harness
#

What sims the highest

strange python
#

30%+ ?

cobalt pelican
#

the sim value and cry about it

faint harness
#

which is 37% for me atm

strange python
#

Havenโ€™t been lucky getting crit gear :/

cobalt pelican
#

shut up buki ๐Ÿ˜ก

faint harness
#

Like you cant equal every single player in this game tho, trinkets, essences, traits they all change ur stat weights so just listen to whatever the friendly computer tells you

#

Buki > Plode

cobalt pelican
#

yes : (

pale cave
#

My parses by log in raid is fantastic, but my parse by ilevel is not so good... I am curious if anyone has some good rogue twitch streamers to watch as I try to improve and figure out exactly what it is I'm doing wrong. Thanks.

low junco
#

200 more

solid nova
#

Ilvl logs mean nothing anyway

pale cave
#

The guild thinks they're more important as it shows how we well you do compared to other rogues your own ilevel

faint harness
#

ilvl logs is pointless, not sure why its still in the logs

solid nova
#

Well they're not

cobalt pelican
#

you'd probably be better off learning from logs themselves than streams but #rogue-streamers i guess

pale cave
#

saying theyre not isnt a very convincing counter argument

#

Why are they wrong?

solid nova
#

Let me take my under geared rogue into palace

#

Log 100 for my ilvl

#

Am i good?

#

No

faint harness
#

you can watch my stream, smileyface

#

i fuck up a lot ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

cobalt pelican
#

banned for self adveritinsg

#

cya in hell

faint harness
#

yikers

#

Im outsie

pale cave
#

if you go in there with a raid trying... and do well overall, but have a low ilevel parse, it means those with your similar ilevel are performing better

solid nova
#

item level parses are almost as irrelevant as progress parses

#

If your guild is asking you to focus on an ilvl parse then they;re focusing on the wrong aspects

faint harness
#

If your guild tells you to improve ur ilvl logs you should either tell them to fuck off or change guild asap

solid nova
#

Can optimise way more but theres 4k dps for free

cobalt pelican
#

just unequip your gear

solid nova
#

500*

umbral fiber
#

literally simmed this

strange python
#

Any updated guides on assa? Feel like I could pull of way more dips if I stop spamming envenom and starting to take advantage of Elaborate

umbral fiber
#

@solid nova thank u sir

solid nova
#

Stop trying to make cannonball work

#

Its awful

umbral fiber
#

:(

faint harness
#

yes

umbral fiber
#

just upgraded my iris to rank 3 aswell

cobalt pelican
#

dam

#

this guy just squat on raz

solid nova
#

Yeah thats a decent upgrade too

faint harness
#

@strange python check top logs, go to resources, choose energy and see how they pool/spend energy, easy "guides".

solid nova
#

Might have to re-sim major/minor then

#

As i took Rank 2s

pale cave
#

so if my guild says ilevel parses are more important as they show how well you are doing compared to same ilevel rogues, ergo, if your ilevel parse isn't great you have room to improve... how are they wrong? Cos saying someone can go in with no gear doesn't really seem like a counter argument

#

i cant tell them that

faint harness
#

cus ilvl isnt everything

solid nova
#

Item level parses

#

When sockets

scarlet sequoia
#

@cobalt pelican ?

solid nova
#

Benthic

#

Exist

#

Are irrelevent

cobalt pelican
#

did you do your ap quests . . .

#

that's cheating

faint harness
solid nova
#

Item level is probably the least relevant its ever been because of the value of sockets and benthic

faint harness
#

closing in on 50k

pale cave
#

They're not saying ilevel is everything, obviously mechanics and getting the boss down is more important, but again, saying ilevel isnt everything is kind of a copout

scarlet sequoia
#

nah

faint harness
#

@pale cave so what answer are you looking for her

#

e

#

i doubt they would tell you to improve if it was only ilvl logs that were shit

pale cave
#

one i can tell them that is logical and that they'll understand ๐Ÿ˜‰

#

Push -- true

faint harness
#

"oh this guy has orange logs but green in ilvl, tell him to git gud"

strange python
#

@faint harness ty! Also as you said bf4 trust logs. But 50 dps upgrade on a 440 canonballer with socket. Like rly...? VS 420pocket

solid nova
#

Just post your logs and if theyre fine its your guild not understanding how the metric works

pale cave
#

Yeah, that's the thing, I agree...

solid nova
#

If they're not its more than just ilvl issues

cobalt pelican
#

would you rather compare yourself to the overall playerbase of your spec or a tiny pool of players at the exact same ilvl as you whos simdps can vary from 30k to 50k

solid nova
#

Simple blobShrug

faint harness
#

just equip 440+ gear and you'll be 100 on all of them

cobalt pelican
#

like, if you go up or down 1 ilvl the ilvl parse metric changes drastically when the reality of your performance doesn't

#

this applies less to sin just due to the volume of parses

#

but it's like

#

????????

faint harness
#

Big true

pale cave
#

Thank you!
Yes! Nameless that was perfect,

solid nova
#

430 and 435 player can parse the same globally but ilvl parses can be massively apart due to optimisation

#

Benthic/sockets/trinkets all that usual stuff all effect it

faint harness
#

especially with benthic casino

pale cave
#

and i switch up my gear often to test things

faint harness
#

i have like 8-9 sockets rn, got like 334 equipped but i sim 47.5k

#

434

shrewd night
#

Area 51 level secret. Keep your 445 azerite, but wear 410 in the other slots. Slamdunk 100 ilevel parses.

pale cave
#

I'm 437 simming at 42

solid nova
#

Item level parses are genuinely not important, more so than ever

faint harness
#

there you go

#

437 and simming 42k

#

sounds poorly optimized

solid nova
#

Right and im 431 simming 44k

#

Item level parses are not important

pale cave
#

Thank you

#

I appreciate all the input

#

That actually was very helpful.

upbeat hazel
#

scrapping a 445 gives me 10k residue?

solid nova
#

Ye

upbeat hazel
#

nice

#

gorak tul's here i come Kappa

umbral fiber
cobalt leaf
#

quick one i have stupid amounts of trinkets is coral and queens trinket best for raiding ?

sour beacon
#

:)

solid nova
#

@umbral fiber The worldvein is a trap, especially at 5 stacks tbh but other than that looks much better FeelsOKMan

umbral fiber
#

So probs Iris 3 minor

solid nova
#

And stop upgrading the non socketed benthic ANGRY

umbral fiber
#

I WONT

solid nova
#

Your benthic belt will overtake the 430 on the next upgrade or so probs

#

They were close to begin with

umbral fiber
#

Still have 400 pearls to spent

solid nova
#

Upgrade them to 420

#

Spend rest rolling wrists

upbeat hazel
#

sang monstrosity, eh

cobalt leaf
#

i use blood mallet but paired together they seem to give me same amount of damage as pocket sized does lol, probs me using it wrong

solid nova
#

Just sim your trinkets in top gear

sour beacon
#

hmst

drifting hare
#

Guys, which pre pot do I use for single target?

solid nova
#

Unbridled Fury

ashen oriole
#

so how do you guys do it. wait for 200k titan residuum or gamble?

crisp steppe
#

not a fan of waiting to buy specific. by the time you buy one progress is over

ashen oriole
#

one could argue that by the time you get the right one through gambling progress is over too?

crisp steppe
#

no you can't argue this

#

go ahead do it

ashen oriole
#

hmm

faint harness
#

if you equip a 445 you can trade pieces

ashen oriole
#

do you gamble with the 445s?

faint harness
#

yes

pale cave
#

yea i was going to wait for a specific piece but it's just too long and boring i'd rather just gamble it and let the chips fall where they may, so I can enjoy the game now not in 2 months

#

yeah i gambled two 445s and it turned out pretty good

eternal turtle
#

if im rerolling for benthic gear with a socket, which one do i go for first? crit boots?

cosmic prism
#

3 slightly better pieces > 1 way better piece most of the time unless you really low roll

pale cave
#

i did boots first

#

then bracers then cloak

crisp steppe
#

belt is the easiest to get a socket on

pale cave
#

good to know

#

boots took me 12 tries, bracer has been a pain

faint harness
#

get both belts

#

abberation dmg is good for orgozoa

pale cave
#

ive got a 430 whirling dervish with socket

#

and a 415 [Beloved Monarch's Waistwrap] with socket

faint harness
#

cant compete with benthic belt i think

pale cave
#

with the storm of eternal rise effect

#

im finishing up my bracer to 425, the belt U believe simmed a tiny bit better

#

but pretty negligible

#

switched up my potion opener and use of coral trinket and went from 42k opener to 59

faint harness
#

are you playing with MA?

pale cave
#

I'm playing subterfuge

#

MA I assumed you meant master assassin

faint harness
#

yea

small island
#

is there a reason why raidbots says my pocket trinket does 150k per cast? ive never seen it do less than 200k per cast

pale cave
#

maybe 150 base without boosts from other things, potions, flasks, procs, etc

heavy trail
#

I just dinged 120 as assassin and am reading guides, getting prepared to start doing some m+. Any individual tips that anyone would like to share ๐Ÿ˜ƒ ?

pale cave
#

dont give up, get rupture up from stealth, rogue is a precision dance and using your abilities at the perfect time...

#

i love interrupting mobs trying to casst, controling the flow of the fight

#

i tell mobs theyre adorable for thinking they were going to cast something

heavy trail
#

should i be triple garroting from stealth / subter

#

you said rupture

pale cave
#

not usually, i get 4-5 on the first or second garotte, shouldnt need to triple ever

#

oh of course, sorry, garotte in stealth, I was jumping ahead

#

training dummies are very helpful

oak flower
dark crag
#

You always use 3 garrotes from stealth when specced supter with ss traits in m+

oak flower
#

yh

past marten
#

How do you use Vendetta during a 2-phase strat on Ashvane? It seems like people delay their cds for first shield-break (1min) and the fight lasts 5 min
Is there any BiS strat around already?

sudden ocean
#

If your raid team is decent they'll plan for when you use your cooldowns

dark crag
#

You either use it on pull or wait miserably until shield is broken

strange python
#

anyone using Font together with Coral ?

jaunty cloak
#

Okay guys. I got the ashavnes coral trinket last night and was testing it out but I'm a bit confused on what's the best way to use it? Should I be using it everytime it's up or just let it keep stacking till next vendetta

oak flower
#

nah im using FAB and Lucid minor

#

for m+

solid nova
jaunty cloak
#

@solid novaty

spare dust
#

And i thought my 42k sim is ok

faint harness
#

What the fuck is that

#

๐Ÿคข

#

do you actually have 65 traits

#

or just trying it out

solid nova
#

He does

#

Big gamer

small island
#

imagine having a dagger over 430

spare dust
#

Imagine the islands, pain and suffering

dawn coyote
#

If I'm way behind on benthic pieces to use for raiding, are there specific ones I should try and get first that are better than the others?

strange python
#

problem is that if you use either font or coral the otherone goes on a 20 sec cd that means i get 10 sec of font and coral extract on my next vendetta, if i hold to use vendetta after 10 sec of font

past marten
#

@dawn coyote Belt is easiest to get, Boots have the biggest positive effect

strange python
#

i spent 400pearls on belt still not a single one with socket ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

dawn coyote
#

alright thanks

fathom bolt
#

hey, what azerite traits should i aim for mythic plus?

lusty narwhal
#

65 neck... wtf

#

Not sure you play enough

faint harness
#

haaaave you met buckethead?

lusty narwhal
#

?

stable isle
#

@past marten 2 phase you should delay vendetta for when the shield breaks. should be happening around 58s to 1:05 in. your vendetta will come back up around halfway through the 2nd shield phase but hold it for hero on the 2nd damage phase. havent seen anyone squeeze three vendettas in successfully but it might be possible

faint harness
#

buckethead is nr 1 in neck levels i think

#

was 65 two weeks ago

past marten
#

That is what I am thinking about: Whether there is a way to squeeze in more than 2 Vendettas

stable isle
#

with more gear yeah, but for now its all about getting as much damage in during those dmg phases so i dont think so

faint harness
#

every guild runs their cds differently

#

its not great if you get 3 waves in first shield either

marble elm
#

You shouldnโ€™t get 3

past marten
#

That would be like the best Opportunity to play BotE + Vision

#

Sucks that it sucks

faint harness
#

you get 3 if you run the nuke strat

#

every single player holds cds for first vuln

#

and then try blast the boss below 50% in 1 vuln

#

and then kill 2nd

stable isle
#

we're running that and still only getting 2 waves

faint harness
#

i saw limit do it and get 3 waves, we havent tried yet

#

doing it this reclear i think

stable isle
#

yeah spose it depends on how impactful cds are to the specs in your raid

crisp steppe
#

probably not that difficult if u have capable dps

past marten
#

I smell a discrimination of 2min specs for this strat

crisp steppe
#

have to hit maybe 60% in 1st window

#

then hero and ignore coral on second window + inkpods

stable isle
#

we havent killed it yet, but we're down a tank at the moment so we figured may aswell just practice it, with gear it'll become the prevailing strat

#

yeah 60% is ok, 55 is optimal

faint harness
#

if you hold lust for 2nd vuln it should be doable

crisp steppe
#

yeah you 100% hold lust for 2nd vuln

#

makes 0 sense to do it on 1st

faint harness
#

yes

past marten
#

60% is easily doable, considering that many guilds get to like 65-68% while popping cds on pull

faint harness
#

i mean you should get i below 50

#

with all cds

#

majority of ppl pop cds on pull for us, only DH, boomkin and 1x fire mage hold cds

past marten
#

what line would you need to use to tell the APL to hold Vendetta until 1min during a 5min fight?

faint harness
#

why do you want to see it

lost tree
placid dawn
past marten
#

@faint harness to minmax the dps

#

the fight is basically on a set timer

#

I don't necessarily expect anything, but maybe there's a surprising result

crisp steppe
#

well

#

you want to minmax the dmg windows mostly yes

#

traits like NP are going to be stronger since you'll have 2 x 70second windows

devout gazelle
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how much boost on sim dps you get when you hit 65 on neck? Just wondering ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

past marten
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It's surprisingly massive

livid schooner
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hey guys what would be my best bet to spend titan residuum on ( I have 50k and all 420ilvl azerites )?

hallow current
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It's not really surprising tbh, another essence is huge

crisp steppe
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you can sim it yourself if you care

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theres essence information at the top of the simc string

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just add an essence there

strange python
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Yo, on how many stacks do you use Ashvane trinket?

past marten
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with Vendetta, no matter the stacks

strange python
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ty

past marten
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When it comes to Ashvane 2-Phase min-maxing, what do you think guys of BotE major:

  • BotE on pull
  • delay Vendetta to 1:30ish, BotE with Vendetta
  • BotE with Vendetta right at the 31-32% mark
  • use up all Coral stacks at the 31-32% mark
dire lintel
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any advice on coral and font ?

past marten
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Pins and tc-updates

crystal vault
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why do you want blood on 2 phase tactic when you can pull of more dmg with life force on those phases where it matters? blood just for 1 usage more on shield what shouldnt be a problem ?

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what can be a problem is, 2 shield without cds you will probably get wave 4

past marten
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BotE would help pushing 1st shield to avoid the 3rd wave and (if you time it perfectly) make Ink crit 100% + boost its damage

crystal vault
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when you play 2 phase, and struggle with 1 shield then its probably not the tactic you should play

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you can kite the boss enough to avoid 3 wave

past marten
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It's more about making it a safe play without kiting etc.

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Kiting is a minor dps loss in my books

dire lintel
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@past marten btw forgot to say thx

crystal vault
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then play w/e you think is the best, but shield 1 wont be a problem.

past marten
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Is there a comprehensive guide online on how to do custom APL? Like delaying Lust and using Cooldowns on set timers?

crystal vault
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and if it is, your raid can play with cycloblast, you can use it for 1 shield and burst phase

past marten
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Cycloblast has a 2min cooldown, doesn't it? So you cannot use it on both

crystal vault
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i played it monday, and it worked

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2nd shield phase was like ~2.10

strange python
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frost one is just not dropping for me lol.

past marten
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It's not much worse than Frost

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If you don't have all the other pieces, you should continue with another slot

strange python
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I have the others

past marten
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I would probably upgrade this one, as the difference is minor

strange python
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alright, thanks

faint harness
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puffer fish bracers on queens court, oof

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or on zaqul for that matter

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or on ashvane

strange python
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the other parts are not with a socket though, shall I still fish for them

past marten
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If the other parts are w/o socket, continue fishing

strange python
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okay

faint harness
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๐ŸŽฃ

dapper plover
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how much does wound poison reduce?

strange python
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Wish pearls were easy to farm on alts

dapper plover
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healing i mean

faint harness
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@dapper plover enough to make it worth taking in pvp if you dont have any other healing reduction

past marten
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25 pearls from emissary today, best day for alts

faint harness
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I dont know the exact number because master poisoner also affects it

strange python
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Yup, all used for bracers

severe bough
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Emissary pearls

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Pog champ

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Its time to get belt phys

raven scaffold
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
desert vault
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25 pearls from emissary?

sick scarab
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hi all

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

desert vault
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from daily WQs?

sick scarab
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there is some professional simmer ? i am in total confusion ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

dense cedar
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What do you mean? @sick scarab

sick scarab
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usually i sim my char by myself

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but now i have trouble..

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๐Ÿ˜ƒ

solid nova
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Whats the issue?

sick scarab
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dropping stuff from hc raid.. simming less than 420 etc

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and i dunno if i sim correct

solid nova
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Link the sim and we'll see

sick scarab
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how i can do ?

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the string from simc ?

solid nova
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No the link

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Thats generated after you run it

solid nova
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Yeah that heroic chest is bad dude

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Your current traits are better

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Sims correct ๐Ÿ˜„

quasi pewter
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chest isnt even heroic

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but yea helm is bad

desert vault
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what am I missing for these 25 pearls from emissary?

solid nova
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Helm ye

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Brain fart

sick scarab
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mm

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see i do some erros.. i got head 430

low junco
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can i literally get an inkpod tonight guys

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i want a fcking inkpod so bad

solid nova
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You can have my 450 one ayayajam

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Ive had 3

sick scarab
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i have sinkpod 420.. sim les than azerok 450..

low junco
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we are still progressing orgozoa had a 2% last taid

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