They always align with vend that way
#assassination
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
free expulsom
rigid mango
That also
GCB is a horrendously bad trinket in todays setting
@torn spoke I'd recommend raidbots
umbral fiber
it replaced my 405 plumage, no raid drop luck :(
cobalt pelican
raidbots and simulationcraft are like
the same thing
raidbots is just an interface for dumb people like us to be able to use it
warm summit
Is there an in depth guide on explaining this Razor Coral trinket... it really seems more of a pain in my ass than its even worth...
vestal wren
i would not say for dumb ppl rather for better user experience
rigid mango
For ST it's really straight forwards
torn spoke
but they say much diffrent things
warm summit
I have Font + Razor and its just .. overwhelming to follow
rigid mango
I don't really think it's too confusing, it's just about timings
vocal lion
need opinions..
warm summit
i would love to read your paste, how would i do so?
rigid mango
When using font and coral, use font at 5 seconds on pulltimer and coral as soon as possible after that. At your next vendetta window, use font 14 seconds prior to casting vendetta, and coral 6 seconds into vendetta, meaning you get a 14 second window of both font and coral inside vendetta. Reapply coral as soon as you can after that.
Feel free to ask about it/question it, or if something isn't entirely clear
vocal lion
38k at 431 ilevel is fine?
sullen sphinx
What do you guys do on the briney bubbles on mythic ashvane
Do you go full mongo on them or bleed em up and back on boss
tawny shell
Yeah I 2 cp rupture 1 of them
sullen sphinx
That’s what I wanted to hear
rigid mango
@vocal lion using r3 worldvein as a minor is also insanely simpad
sullen sphinx
Caveman the boss. Got it.
rigid mango
You wont realistically use it often, and even when you do it wont always use full potential
marble elm
Does the apl extract Coral before vanish with bote
vocal lion
ok. what minor is better ?
torn spoke
what should i use i got neck 57 i tryed to look it up on bloodmallet but they count lvl 3 on all is it a diffrence ? primory worldvien and minor lucid dreams ?
cold rampart
for the ma opener should i go
garrote mut rup
or
mut rup mut
rigid mango
@vocal lion generally, CLF/BoTE r3 + lucid minor is the best you can
vocal lion
Clf r3 at major right?
rigid mango
But without them, lucid major iris minor is pretty good
torn spoke
did but it said iris for Patchwerk and i dont think so
cold rampart
@rigid mango why
torn spoke
one sec closed it
cobalt pelican
yeah it does night
rigid mango
because it uses the MA window better, you do mut rup mut garrote
into regular vend etc
cobalt pelican
whether that's by intentional design or just the nature of no constraint idk but it do
vocal lion
@rigid mango What benthic are the best?
rigid mango
They're in the pins
marble elm
Seems like that wouldn’t be optimal
cobalt pelican
coral is usually the gcd after vendetta cause it's like if.vend.buff.big.me.press
marble elm
cobalt pelican
like, vend gets shot at 2:04
blood 2:14 cause that's when tb is up
it could probably be reorganized to be like, them used way more tightly together and coral delayed
but they don't tend to like putting super tight restrictions on stuff cause it usually msses up other stuff i think
vocal lion
should i use benthic?
vocal lion
only with socket?
rigid mango
but they give nothing extra apart from stats outside of naz/ep
yeah, roll for them withs ockets
With sockets, feet, wirsts and possibly waist are BiS
Hands are worse than azshara ones if you can get azshara hands good enough, like me 
upbeat hazel
how's the azshara belt?
rigid mango
Unsure, I don't think it sims with the effect
Seeing how the effect isn't really simmable
shell lodge
is assa acctualy better for tyranical weeks? feels like cant do enought dps to the boss. to finish it in time.
vagrant tapir
you feel like sin doesnt do enough boss damage?
rigid mango
I don't really think there's that big of a diff
vagrant tapir
Does anyone have a good waterlogged WA for ashvane?
shell lodge
sorry u get me wrong. I feel like Outlaw not doing enought dmg to the boss on tyranical.
rigid mango
Realistically outlaw with half decent rolls can normally keep up/do more dps than sin on bosses
vocal lion
2%on aberrations or physcical damage benthic?
rigid mango
Physical is better in general
vocal lion
get the phisical with socket
rigid mango
For quite obvious reasons
torn spoke
mb i missed to click in all just clicked in some in my sim xD
vocal lion
ok i will upgrade the pshicial one
rigid mango
Using it on CD
That's all
Unless there's a mechanic that means you shouldn't
Aka time away from boss
vocal lion
ty for the help Zine. time to farm pearls XD
rigid mango
Welcome to the patch my dude
cobalt pelican
36% is the absolute maximum
rigid mango
Nope
vagrant tapir
Trying mythic ashvane atm, can you do 3 tank without a pally?
crisp steppe
@vagrant tapir probably don't use a warrior for it.
solemn meadow
rigid mango
See? m+ helm.
rigid mango
It is indeed
true nexus
do we want a force mult or just stats
rigid mango
simming is what we want
obtuse ruin
hmm is 36k overall dps for KR 15 decent?
true nexus
does this mean the first envenom we do is with like 1 combo point?
or am I missing something
dim sigil
I asked that question yesterady already, but just so I get it confirmed.
The correct use of the coral is:
First use before first vendetta,
second use before second vendetta,
third use after second vendetta.
fourth use before third vendetta and so on, right?
hardy mural
^ correct assuming u dont have font
hardy mural
azshara's font of power
cobalt pelican
garrote gives 3combo points for that opener and tb gives a minimum of 1
3+1=4 wow i did it
woeful minnow
uhhh
shy dust
Vendetta gives CP now
vast forum
if you don't miss globals in it, sure, but vendetta doesn't increase iris dmg
scarlet sequoia
hunter alt, thats a fat kys tbh
rigid mango
@outer venture just apply and consume at 2nd vend, reapply after, rinse repeat for each vend
unborn silo
bronze kelp
I'm pooling to 90-120
distant lava
Maximum posdible before capping
bronze kelp
Maximum possible is not a number
rigid mango
Waddaya want man
pliant token
trinket guide for asvanes razor coral 😄
rigid mango
Literally my last message before responding to you
stable walrus
Yo how do you sim for m+? Dungeon slice? Multi-target patchwerk?
pliant token
ahh thanks, vend = stacks?
rigid mango
?
mint prairie
Hey, about the trait Loyal to the End, is there a limit range of its effect? If yes, how much?
outer venture
ok so I tested it
so i shouldnt use it with another use trinket?
because usually i run plumage with vend
that puts the coral on gcd
pliant token
sry what is vend xD?
outer venture
vendetta
pliant token
ahhh
plain flare
hey guys, how do you deal with envenoms and EP? dont let it off even with makes 0 energy after or pool some energy before then envenom?
naive pier
guys u simmed my charcter for both BotE and condesned life force
it says CLF does more damage by 200dps
this is soo not worth it i though the different would be abit major
any reason?
upbeat hazel
does loyal to the end sim correctly?
cloud seal
DO you guys use the comp device during vend or hold until afterwards? I have 2 use trinkets
bronze kelp
@stable walrus simming for m+ makes no sense, cause u can't cover the fightstyles m+ has
stable walrus
how do you decide on traits / item setups
bronze kelp
Nearly any combination of TTK/EB/SS is viable in different situations
A 2/2/2 trait setup is the best allround build u can have for any affix combo and any dungeon
U want more prio dmg - 3 TTK
More aoe - 3 EB
more cleave - 3 SS
Dungeons with low enemy count per trash pack - u want only 1 eb for example
stable walrus
alright cool thanks, but what about non azerite pieces
bronze kelp
But always have a look what your group needa
U have to adapt. If you got 2 massive aoe classes in your group. It maybe makes no sense to go high aoe, but maybe more prio dmg
stable walrus
cos just going based on ilvl doesnt make much sense
bronze kelp
Stack crit for m+ and go mastery afterwards
stable walrus
i know the general philosophy
bronze kelp
- U don't wanna have haste
stable walrus
it's just that never simming sounds dumb
bronze kelp
Get haste via OP trait an minor essences
M+ simming has no point, cause there are too many situations that differ from each other
bronze kelp
U can do some Sims for pure aoe or pure st or maybe prio dmg add fight (HecticAddCleave could be a thing)
rigid mango
I'll also add that eb can give more cleave dependant on what level you're running
bronze kelp
Depends! On big pulls in freehold you fight maybe 10 targets in one fight, or chain pull a lot
stable walrus
alright let me rephrase cause maybe im not clear
bronze kelp
For aoe sim I use patchwork enemy count 8 + 60 sec duration
bronze kelp
Adapt 😉
bronze kelp
If u have a 430 cloak with crit haste, and u get a cloak 430 with crit mastery, what would u do?
stable walrus
that's obvious, idk why use that example
bronze kelp
Or maybe a 430 with much versa and only a bit crit?
bronze kelp
I would use the crit one cause crit > all
stable walrus
you'd have to sim to know stat prio right
bronze kelp
If I need to sim, cause it's completely unclear, I use aoe sim
stable walrus
and obviously stat prio on m+ =/= single target
alright we're getting somewhere
what's an aoe sim
dslice/hectic/multitarget patchwerk?
bronze kelp
For me I sim different patchwork fights. Ec 6 duration 40, Ec 8 duration 1 min, Ec 10 duration 1 min
stable walrus
Thanks, that's what I was asking about
bronze kelp
That gives me a rough idea, what a piece is good for
rigid mango
but the general stat prio is crit > mastery/vers
mastery if you have 2+ ttk's
vers if you don't
Super simple
stable walrus
it's not static though, cause as you said "general"
stable walrus
alright cool, thanks for the input
rigid mango
Generally 35+% crit
quiet abyss
udulating tides or double dose ?
plain flare
DD
polar tapir
no
upbeat geode
earlier today i said you can get 4 globals out of subterfuge, aparently you can but the last one isnt empowered, its just bliz actionbars switching slow.
so it only looks like you can
pseudo hamlet
guys, I've got Azshara and Ashvane trinkets, it's good to use them both? I mean - they're two clickable, not sure if they share CD or something?
upbeat geode
they trigger a 20 sec cd on each other
turbid osprey
how do you open on blackwater?
pseudo hamlet
@upbeat geode you think that it's good to use them both? Or just still use 440 dead-eye spyglass? Simming currently btw.
It shows that ashvane gives +800 DPS. 🤔
turbid osprey
garrote > mut > rup on fish or just mut mut env and then go to the fish?
feel like theres no point dotting the fish
marble elm
Well you have to get the buff
turbid osprey
yeah ofc
marble elm
I just bleed the fish wait til it dies then step the boss
And put bleeds up and then use cds
turbid osprey
put bleeds up anyway, ok fair
marble elm
I guess you could just open on the boss and go get the buff
But you would have downtime swimming to the buff
turbid osprey
yeah, better to stay on fish and shadowstep to boss i guess
marble elm
And you’d have to delay your cooldowns probably anyway because you don’t wanna have to swim away during it
upbeat geode
@pseudo hamlet trust the sim, not me ;D
amber briar
Is there any info on which punch cards are any good? Red specifically?
pseudo hamlet
@upbeat geode haha okay, gonna use two clickable trinkets then 
upbeat geode
@rigid mango @frigid briar ive been testing for a bit and i have managed to get 4 globals in subterfuge, it seems impossibly hard, i got a succesrate of 4 out of 20 right now
rigid mango
Try 4 garrotes, do you get 4 all sub amped up during the window
upbeat geode
yes, im getting 4 without getting garrote on cd
agile zephyr
Hey, how many stacks do we wanna get the ashvane trinket to or do we pop it woth vandetta?
sonic spindle
Or be like me and forget to reapply it, and it does nothing for half the fight. That's how I use it.
lucid bolt
@rigid mango whats TTK ?
rigid mango
twist
lucid bolt
ohhhh
silent parcel
What traits do we get from new engi head?
rigid mango
Sim it
sonic spindle
Is everyone still using raidbots? I have 300k iterations and it's still hard to sim everything together.
lean coral
pay for a premium account
strange python
while azhara adds are up
does she take less dmg?
the main spear adds
cause man wants to PAD
willow wasp
for PURE st whats the best trait setup?
rigid mango
3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op
willow wasp
hmm only 1 ttk
rigid mango
ttk isn't a BiS trait for ST.
willow wasp
ah i see
even with that setup if u do garote rota and spam venom u can still rack up decent aoe right?
rigid mango
You cannot.
willow wasp
i see
rigid mango
That's not what sin's there for, it's there for boss damage
willow wasp
ye
rigid mango
If you want to aoe, go outlaw.
willow wasp
im just trying to find a good balance in keys right now esp for tyranical week
rigid mango
You just run standard outlaw or sin builds
pliant token
is azshara waist from hc better than benthic?
rigid mango
dunno about waist, but hands are at right one
willow wasp
im doing 3 eb 2 ttk and 1 ss atm
aoe packs melt so get faster to boss, and then boss i spike to like 40k and sustain only 22-26 cuz of tyranical
rigid mango
Wouldn't recommend going more than 2 eb
maybe this week, but even then it's like meh
desert vault
I've been doing 3 eb, 2 ttk, ss as well. Wish I had 3x ttk and 2x EB
quasi pewter
ive been playing 1eb 1ss 3ttk with engi helm pas 2 weeks because i cant reforge anything
its actually ok
cunning urchin
What's eb? I'm dumb
cunning urchin
😍 😍
quiet forge
Coral and font trinkets are BiS now?
im wondering if i should farm any m+ trinket or just pray for any of those two
meager nebula
If you don't have either of those two then you may as well farm for any trinket you can
rigid mango
Coral and font are the two best, yeah
meager nebula
But after you get coral and font you won't be replacing them
rigid mango
Even together they seem like they're BiS
quiet forge
and for now until i get them / any of them
should i get any m+ trinket?
Galeforce feels really bad this raid tier
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
median harbor
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desert vault
Dice and spyglass aren't terrible
ivory light
We gotta use the belt dealing more damage to aberrations or the one dealing damage on a small area?
marble elm
440 spyglass was worse than 420 cyclo for me 
brisk mist
any tips for using ashvane trink ?
desert vault
True cyclo forgot about that
azure bronze
How do you use guardian of azeroth? Do you save vendetta for it? Or do you just use it on CD even if Vendetta is on CD?
royal lantern
use it on cd
desert vault
Is the idea with coral in m+ just blast it on CD pretty much? That is what I've been doing except maybe not on bosses but they are often dead before second vendetta a anyways
azure bronze
Ok thanks!
opal meadow
I thought i read for 2nd vendetta to guardian again
at least that's what i read somewhere in here
vivid prism
I picked up a 430 ink pod and have a 430 coral do you do anything different with coral like hold it at a certain percentage or still use it with vendetta.
marble elm
no
I was until Tuesday
I played dk on ashvane until this week because literally nobody else had one
bleak spoke
Did you have to do the soak thing
marble elm
Yeah pretty annoying would rather have some random pepega do it but yknow
I was the only one with a dk
Yea it was 5:02
Really tight
marble elm
Really bad for dps because everyone misses casts of shit
Hold literally everything for both exposes
opal meadow
@bleak spoke my raid leader was trying to 1 phase her in heroic..
sour wasp
that moment when you think you get a nice parse on ashvane, and then the bitch parries a TB 
bleak spoke
My guild is shit and we nearly one phased her on heroic
Two phasing her on mythic is a different animal
opal meadow
wait 2 phased her in mythic?
bleak spoke
Night’s guild did yeah
sour wasp
ashvane parries the most idk
bleak spoke
Lol I keep getting parried inside character models
marble elm
2 phase as in 2 exposes
bleak spoke
Yeh
bleak spoke
Night do you guys public log
marble elm
Yea
marble elm
We tried 2 tank 2 heal but after a couple pulls we figure we could 3 hea and still do it
bleak spoke
Would like to note that stell is best girl owo
Actually, yoda is*
Wait isn’t hippos that feral druid
I guess that spec doesn’t work out if you’re actually trying to get stuff done 
marble elm
Yea he’s chained to boomkin
bleak spoke
Was that ashvane aug
marble elm
Aug?
marble elm
O
bleak spoke
For the inkpod^
bleak spoke
imagine having guy's loot luck
rigid mango
IMAGINE
dusk onyx
@tropic ocean hast du nicht suf nem deutschen server gespielt?
shell lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3Keivz4CZhrusZBceAi7S do u use Life force as Major ?
tropic ocean
@dusk onyx yes I did but on german realms there are only shit guilds
either too good <wr50
rest is garbage
bleak spoke
my raid doesn't have a warrior right now :x
dusk onyx
@tropic ocean you are posting with your warri in the rogue section!?
Why so much twist the knife?
tropic ocean
@dusk onyx oh bcuz when I log on from tablet/phone wow forum somehow changes character
autumn trench
shell lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/d3Keivz4CZhrusZBceAi7S Soo... Raidbots tells me to wear this, but after i started wearing it i simmed again with some other parts, and aparently its now missing like 330 dps.. or so.
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ndagN5p5PopbYt9WMgbVCG how does it work..
iron heath
Any 1 have a WA for coral ?
glacial crypt
What do you guys think about using focusing iris instead of BOTE for major in m+?
And replacing Lucid minor with BOTE minor
toxic burrow
I have to keep switching to an old pair of gloves for the Za'qul fight. Got lucky with a 440 pair of Azshara's gloves the week before, then on the first pull of Za'qul, the gloves procced in the delirium realm and put a hurting on a buddy. >_>
sour wasp
nobody cares about your buddy, extra dps for muh parses
toxic burrow
He's a warrior. If I piss him off, he'll rage at me and go on a bloody rampage!
mystic talon
why sim light movement? @shell lodge
languid ore
@shell lodge maybe don't Sim light movement and leave it on patchwerk
honest needle
does sin use fire pots or the crit pots for single target ?
mystic talon
if only there was a pinned message for this
mystic talon
ohl
honest needle
huh
mystic talon
i use the best one bro
shell lodge
ah right.
full dune
@honest needle do a quicksim and at the bottom after you simmed you have option to see rotation used and pots
full dune
depends on spec you play
full dune
if u go shrouded with subterfuge crit might be better
full dune
for example for me in sim on dng build it uses crit pot
tropic ocean
what is dng build
civic palm
☝
quasi pewter
its not that far behind
and with more gear it could overtake
but rn i dont think its better for anyone
but if you wanna make sure you can sim
full dune
well haven't tested:) cuz to lazy to buy/make so using unbridled
honest needle
well right now im using MA cause i use DD NP TTK
cause thats better for singletarget over ss right ?
i thought ss was better for aoe
quasi pewter
also if you need short burst focused resolve is better (for example zaqul)
vast forum
? focused resolve needs time to stack up
i guess you can use it before the burst needs to happen
zenith gust
how do we use font of power? anything special?
vast forum
channel pre-pull and pre-vendetta
rigid mango
pre @ 5 and repeat before each vend
zenith gust
k thx
quasi pewter
@vast forum its still better on short bursts
civic palm
vast forum
it's only better if it's stacked before the burst
otherwise i'd use the agi pot for burst
quasi pewter
no
civic palm
FR lost like, 200dps.
quasi pewter
focused resolve wins on ~20s bursts by far
even on 40s my sims with focused>unbridled
and on normal sims its also only like 250 behind
shell lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8Wi3UBA6fwfbXuWq4SUqec well yeah.. so no more Lucid dream in Major. and for some reason i have to drop my Crit from 32% to 26% haste to 19% , boost crit to 44% and Versa to 7%.. thats odd.
honest needle
where did u say when we sim top gear it shows potion
tropic ocean
just clf things
honest needle
I dont see it
royal lantern
hmmm....possible that the engineering googles are close too bis this tier? feels like that right now
i mean, DD/OP, and the gizmo trait is nice too
shell lodge
well Za'qul gives u DD/ NP/OP : P
quasi pewter
you cant select pots in top gear like you can enchants etc
you either have to sim one pot at a time or do it manually with profiles
royal lantern
@shell lodge well,yeha, but will take some time unti he is dead^^
shell lodge
ah, right.
quasi pewter
if you let simc decide it takes focused resolve
midnight flower
@royal lantern until zaq mythic helm
honest needle
so is that better
strange python
Can someone help with my question?
honest needle
focus resolve over unbridnle
quasi pewter
no
its not
simc doesnt change ur pots dynamically
it still has focused resolve i assume because it used to be really good
just do 2 quick sims
one with unbridled
one with focused
civic palm
o _o
peak saffron
scroll up about 5-10 lines @quiet forge
bleak spoke
Zaqul helm is this tier’s stormwall helm
elfin shoal
What 2 essences are people running? Except for azshara one I don't have that at 3 yet
bleak spoke
Bote3 but if you don’t have that lucid dreams 3
If you use bote or cdl you do lucid minor if you use lucid major sim yourself but worldvein minor if your raid is using it and iris minor or crucible minor if not
Usually ends up simming best
With bote major haste and mastery end up simming well with lucid major crit overtakes everything
Obviously gear varies so just chuck it into raidbots
Always check quick deadly masterful nav and force multiplier
elfin shoal
Will do and nice one
sour wasp
i like how mizerok rarely talks but when he does he just puts a "o_o" lmao
he always judges us from a distance
buoyant kraken
Hey guys, i got gorak tul 445, but i dunno if i really should use blightborne. It sims 400 dps higher than nothing personal, but it doesnt seem to proc a lot
like 17% uptime on a pure st boss
civic palm
@sour wasp O _O
strange python
Condensed Life Force+ Lucid Dreams does sim significantly lower than lucid Dreams + Worldvein in my case. Is that really correct ? I am wondering because everyone seems to be using Condensed Life Force
solid nova
What rank Life Force are you simming
granite rampart
I have rank 3 for both and that’s the same case for me too
strange python
Rank 3 both
arctic walrus
You shouldn't run worldvein even if it sims higher
meager nebula
worldvein is not that great
strange python
Why is it not great ?
civic palm
pfft, izgood, just stack melee :3
granite rampart
I’ve even simmed bote3 and it still doesn’t sim higher than lucid major for me.
meager nebula
because it sims in ideal conditions with no movement
civic palm
I do have my WV set to 3 stacks and not 5 however.
restive smelt
35 base crit and and SS/Sub still sims higher than MA in every scenario 
tropic ocean
do you have ss traits?
restive smelt
Just 1
pine tusk
0
faint quiver
Guys, any UI addon video?
civic palm
I am sure that there are plenty of them...
wanna be more specific?
iron heath
!wa
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crimson trellis
What the best race for assassination in raid
zenith gust
what stat increase did the ring enchants give before 8.2? the good ones
woeful minnow
40
zenith gust
wasnt it 37?
zenith gust
yeah it was 37, i just won 60k on a bet lul
oak eagle
Whats the best Benthic gear for Assassin Rogues?
meager nebula
stone fable
if you have coral and inkpod, do you pop crit right before 30% boss hp?
oak eagle
Thanks @meager nebula
quiet forge
whats the max ilvl benthic can get?
meager nebula
425
muted maple
are you guys using cyclotronic in mythics? like 10-12 keys? i feel like a stat buff trinket might be more beneficial
meager nebula
430 for azerite
quiet forge
is it really worth to get those benthic pieces? i mean wont 445 be better?
vapid needle
You’d think so eh?
deft nymph
does being nelf push more towards using a subt/ss build?
for the extra empowered garrote every 2min?
civic palm
Not really.
deft nymph
what exactly is it about MA that makes it so much more desirable than a subt build? seems like everybody runs it and i've heard people say that even with subt simming higher you should shoot for MA anyway
just more burst-windowy?
inland vigil
So for Azerite traits. I have 2 Double dose and 2 Echoing Blades. At how many targets should i use mutialte over fan of knives?
vocal kelp
Doubt subt build is higher when having absolute bis
Thats the worst combo ive heard of koukeu
You pretty much never fok with DD traits
deft nymph
in subt i have 3DD 1SS 1RNG(engi helm) 1 BI
in my best simming MA I have 2DD 1NP 1RNG 1 filthy transfusion
- 1BI
inland vigil
So is double dose bad to be using with Echoing blades? Or i should setup to specifically single target or multi targert for azerite traits? Please explain to me why its bad? @vocal kelp so i understand why.
vocal kelp
Double dose proccs on mutilate, eb proccs on fok
marble elm
using both of those is not ideal because they directly counteract eachother
vocal kelp
They are the 2 builders and essentially double dose makes ur eb trait useless and ur eb trait makes dd useless
inland vigil
Okay thank you for your quick response!
vocal kelp
You should not have them at the same time, personally i have 2 sets for ST and AoE
near coyote
does anyone know how to find top dps to worst dps on warcraft logs the list of dps rankings
I can only find like 100 boomkins etc of top rankings but not list of all classes average damage
to see top class etc
people always post the list at the start of the exp, like fire mages jumped to the top randomly
deft nymph
and damn@fury warriors
quasi pewter
lmao i scrapped my old gorak tul 2 weeks ago been playing with orgozoa hc shoulders just found out my old gorak tuls sim like 200 dps higher 
coral verge
Item restore?
quasi pewter
yea already did
coral verge
❤
coral verge
Don't mind me
quasi pewter
coral verge
uses pog
quiet forge
what weapon enchants should we use? Ive seen on warcraftlogs top rogues use force multiplier and stat but ive read here in pin we should use 2 stat enchants and now i see that gentleman up there using them as well
arctic walrus
Did you kill Zaq btw
quiet forge
Saryero*
quasi pewter
yea we did on monday
quasi pewter
waleera sim
arctic walrus
Most cases 1 force will beat out x2 stat enchants
quasi pewter
sometimes quick deadly sim best for me but then i get a different trinket or something and sim tells me to go force again
arctic walrus
pin isn't updated
quasi pewter
atm quick deadly sims best for me
quiet forge
I see
arctic walrus
How's azshara prog
quasi pewter
not good tbh
best try was like 66%
we didnt manage to push her for some reason
before add
and problems with aoe adds aswell
no ret pala
arctic walrus
are you guys potting/lusting when she spawns
quasi pewter
yea we did
i mean towards the end of the night it was kinda close
but we never did it
also we tried out weakaura shit for intermission
it just didnt work
arctic walrus
Yeah we tried the weak aura but it wasn't that helpful, we just basically memorized spots
quiet forge
sorry to interfere
but whats the difference in dps between aberrations and physical dmg on belt? I got the one with aberrations with socket and feel like the other one is better 😦
quasi pewter
aberration is better on aberration
its 2% flat damage
the procc does like 1%
of ur overall
quiet forge
which bosses are aberrations? only Orgozoa and Zaqul?
quasi pewter
yep
quiet forge
Wack
quasi pewter
how far are you @arctic walrus ?
light kestrel
I got pretty lucked on my crafted 440 boots. I haven't simmed them yet but I feel like if they end up being worse then the benthic ones it won't be by too much. I opened about 100 of them and didn't get one with a socket
lucky*
olive edge
arctic walrus
We're on the rune adds now
quasi pewter
nice, our prog is mega scuffed one of our tanks kept pepega'ing with LoS like every 3rd pull
on p1
dark lantern
When you pug normal EP on your rogue you haven't played in a bit, run 3x DD 2xNP 1xTC, and play the poison playstyle...and don't realize until after the run that you had Subterfuge instead of Master Assassin talented
Still got purple or orange ilvl parses though >.>
Legit used Vanish as if I had MA every time without realizing I didn't have it. Good god no wonder it felt weird
arctic walrus
Yeah it's honestly been pretty slow, taking a while to get everything down
How many pulls you got
fast nacelle
wts reloe weak auras
viscid compass
are the stats still Mast/haste for sin?
viscid compass
kk
ornate herald
can someone explain the opener to me? mut - rup - mut - garrote - tb - etc
is it worth the cp loss?
near pilot
Are you guys letting Coral stack up to a certain amount b4 using it?
stable yarrow
there isnt a magic number of stacks, u just want to use it with vend
@ornate herald yes
median quiver
any pin for when to be activating Razor Coral?
near pilot
so just macro it to Vend and only use it then? easy peasy
median quiver
but is that correct..? lol
stable yarrow
It is pinned... scroll down a bit
balmy quest
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XfLj7cpn93btM2J1#fight=1&type=summary&source=14
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/n2zJ36ghZQ8wVPKt#fight=1&type=summary&source=21
Can someone help me figure out how #1 has 3k more agi than #2? Idgi
Is it the benthic gear?
shy dust
For ashvane is it worth it dotting up the bubbles?
desert orchid
does it matter if force multiplier is on mh or oh?
quasi pewter
@balmy quest first one is using azshara trinket
no it doesnt matter if an enchant is on mh or oh
balmy quest
Does the azshara trinket on-use show in your stats page though?
I thought that was just your base stats
languid ore
Damn. A lot of questions tonight
balmy quest
or is that your average over the fight?
ornate herald
rae i believe it depends on who has the bubbles & comp, but generally i think so if they live long enough
languid ore
A lot of already answered ones within the hour too
quasi pewter
it shows on wcl page
propably because you use it precombat
and stats for wcl are recorded when combat starts
im pretty sure
marble elm
@arctic walrus boomkin gets helmet 
drifting cloud
marble elm
now i still cant use my gorak tul + cephalohide 
bleak spoke
That’s unlucky
bleak spoke
Nerf boomie st
arctic walrus
At least i rolled a vision 
bleak spoke
Yikes
cobalt pelican
if you get ashvane to 1% and then accidentally don't damage her for 2 phases it might be better than a 380 lurkers
bleak spoke
I have a socketed 430 vision that sims worse than a 405 galecallers
arctic walrus
rolled cloak 2nd time, no gem tho so worthless
marble elm
2nd delirium split died before fear split
cobalt pelican
you can kinda get a little more value than sim value out of it on some fights but it still blows ass
quasi pewter
old jc ring 
marble elm
yea me poor
zenith gust
damn, CLF + ashvane's + azshara's is a mess to play
quasi pewter
wouldnt even lw be better in ur case?
quasi pewter
or are cabal pants that busted
marble elm
cabal pants pretty good and i just dont have a replacement ring
marble elm
and its not that much better then behemoth anyway
quasi pewter
marble elm
i dont mind it on its own
quasi pewter
yea i didnt even try it together with coral
rough agate
No CLF for you @marble elm ?
dense blaze
Azshara trinket ain’t that bad
arctic walrus
we had rogue priest pally hunter lol
rough agate
nah i agree lol
arctic walrus
So depressed over my loot luck this tier so far
cobalt pelican
: ' (
marble elm
double on use feels pretty good for zaqul but in every other scenario actually puke
arctic walrus
oh you ran font?
marble elm
i dont have ink
arctic walrus
marble elm
i just used font on 1st split and saved coral from pull to 2nd
and it was almost perfect
101% crit
arctic walrus
did you beat my 53k
marble elm
i did 49k
quasi pewter
mecha beam is pretty decent too for zaqul
scarlet sequoia
as major?
scarlet sequoia
ah
faint harness
i would run ink if font + coral was like 10x better
wasnt*
i cant bring myself to not run font + coral
feels like i'll just cuck my own dmg
scarlet sequoia
ouf https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ubC9gskwtHqUqfRSMLMvMZ on wednesday ill be massive
azerite chest from pvp cap and i have a trophy ready, love to see it
quasi pewter
pvp chest is basically cephalo right?
marble elm
im tryna get a trophy
quasi pewter
with resounding
rigid mango
yeah
rigid mango
Just with resounding
rigid mango
so, better
marble elm
got gorak cephalohide and the pvp hat in bag waiting
scarlet sequoia
i am indeed
faint harness
group theraepy 
rigid mango
Are they partially korean?
faint harness
theres some spicy raiding hours memes about GT
rigid mango
I know, you're on my server
scarlet sequoia
scandinavian mostly
rigid mango
I meant more, your wowprog has korean in it
marble elm
arctic walrus
A fellow ally 
scarlet sequoia
think its just memes
faint harness
everyone has been on GT raid hours since overtime gestapo started
rigid mango
I just know it because a guy in my guild said "it's whack, they've got some weird chinese voodoo shit over there"
scarlet sequoia
rofl
faint harness
scarlet sequoia
we're just absolutely insane gamers
cobalt pelican
officers probably just kpop loving freaks
faint harness
i was on ravencrest alliance 8-9 years ago
cobalt pelican
gun them down
faint harness
GT was still a thing
rigid mango
Fairy 
scarlet sequoia
what guild are you in zine
rigid mango
proper cove
Is there a crit cap?
arctic walrus
@marble elm would you have accepted me if I apped 🤔
rigid mango
Dw raz, look at the guilds and pick whichever looks like it has a cringey name
marble elm
when
arctic walrus
you guys were stacked on rogues so I didn't even bother
rigid mango
That one.
scarlet sequoia
nice
faint harness
Naruto guild?
arctic walrus
like 2 weeks before ep
marble elm
yea maybe
rigid mango
You'd be able to pick it out super easily
faint harness
did loot FTW transfer back to alliance or did they never go horde
rigid mango
I was sorta debating applying to flawless tbh
cobalt pelican
humans are disgutting
rigid mango
but idk 
rigid mango
What, the guild?
scarlet sequoia
yeah
rigid mango
No clue.
They apparently have a guy or two who used to trial for my guild
No fucking clue who they are, tbh, I've only been on ravencrest for uhh, 2 months?
cobalt pelican
playing on servers with more than 20 people isnt cool
faint harness
true
rigid mango
Same
cobalt pelican
i like to pay 3k for my versatile navigation enchants
faint harness
i play on stormreaver EU, dead as fuck, supercool
cobalt pelican
you know you've rly made it when everytime you quit for a bit and come back more servers have been added to your connected realm group
rigid mango
Raz do you know what happened to P G?
cobalt pelican
but nobody is still online
scarlet sequoia
they quit after bod
faint harness
P G was russian?
rigid mango
F
scarlet sequoia
ye
rigid mango
yeah.
faint harness
I would play alliance if it had players
rigid mango
I'll be horde for next tier, probs
Either I get into some good guild post prog on ally, or I just swap and search there
rigid mango
This guild is 50% 
I want out as soon as tier ends
zenith gust
my server is so small that last season i was nº1 rio rogue, my friend was nº2 rio rogue, my other friend was nº1 rio resto drood, and our guild was server first to kill jaina mythic, even tho we killed her like 3/4 weeks before EP. amazing server.
arctic walrus
My old guild killed ashvane yesterday
rigid mango
I blasted but doesn't matter because priv log 
faint harness
private logs??? 😐
zenith gust
yeah, private logs suck 😦
faint harness
its like guilds that take themselves too seriously
rigid mango
It's just because our ranged are padders galore
zenith gust
my guild does too
rigid mango
Nah
rigid mango
It's not because of anything other than stopping them going for logs
arctic walrus
👋
faint harness
does priv logging stop them going for logs tho
scarlet sequoia
ppl who go for logs on progress need to kys
rigid mango
Well either it did, or they suck on prog
faint harness
ate some upserges
cobalt pelican
same
faint harness
quite the jump you got there
faint harness
i had a shit pull on our ashvane clear today, but then inkpod crit and its all good anyway
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
i wish there was a way to sim how much dps i lose from font by standing in upsurge casting it and then having to cancel it at 3/4seconds casted
faint harness
i have a special timer for upsurge only on that fight
cobalt pelican
my buttons lights up and i press it
faint harness
😡
faint harness
saving cds -> 🚪
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
holding cds using lust randomly in line with nothing and getting boopled in both burns : )
rigid mango
dw, we only have 3 boomies and 1 dh but 2x sin still need to save
cobalt pelican
i love it
rigid mango
faint harness
i got a 445 coral with socket tho, so its all good
rigid mango
The heck, it was a 91 earlier
scarlet sequoia
😭
rigid mango
marble elm
need big 2 phase
cobalt pelican
the only coral that dropped from our ashvane kill was personally looted and untradable by the same guy who equipped the only heroic font we got before lootcouncil 'by accident'
cobalt pelican
i need a folly
faint harness
folly seems broken tbh
rigid mango
Yeah same fairy
Funny thing is
Dropped 430 folly on our hc clear
but our other rogue got higher prio since he sucks the RL's off
tranquil ruin
how does Echoing Blades stack?
rigid mango
and got it as an upgrade on his 430 weap instead of me with a 20ilvl mainhand increase
@tranquil ruin very well.
cobalt pelican
yee
rigid mango
It felt nice
cobalt pelican
i sat blackwater this week actually but i kinda like
rigid mango
😄
cobalt pelican
did it voluntarily
forgetting i had to play outlaw
i coined the first boss for a forged dagger then hearthed to make food
very intelligent
rigid mango
i dc'd for 15s, got soak shit and they assumed I'd solo
Collected fuckall loot and my 9 log and went on
faint harness
i just dont know how to play that boss
cobalt pelican
just hit the boss a lot and hope your guild gets a good kill time
faint harness
It just feels aids to play
faint harness
yea but we have to kill the fucking pufferfish
rigid mango
I wanna try using velf racial + step
scarlet sequoia
yeah?