peabrain dps player here
#assassination
cobalt pelican
faint harness
they are running 3 tanks
faint harness
just a blasting prot warrior
faint harness
wave is the blue balls that want to enter Ashvane
cobalt pelican
o yea i know WHAT the wave is
night vale
kinky
ember rover
Your DMG is pretty high, boss was on 24% when 3rd bubble came.
cobalt pelican
i'm busy pressing my buttons rly hard
frigid briar
Thats with hero on shield down
cobalt pelican
it's also with all cds offset
which i don't think matters that much since shield1/2 are easy and we'll have 2mins at the start of shield3 but eh
frigid briar
We got it to 30% with no hero and our dps isnt amazing
cobalt pelican
the lust is something we're going to change i think
cause pushing sub30% fucks inkpos for nobody in our raid to gain dmg
except a mage
who does like 29k dps in execute phase
so
frigid briar
That last burn on 3rd barrier for most guilds gonna be hard AF without hero
faint harness
vendetta + 2nd rocky boi
frigid briar
Big problem is the tanks need to kite, orbs need to be solo soaked by everyone else and healers need to keep everyone alive
Becomes a huge personal mechanic stage at that point
faint harness
rogues can take more than 1 orb
ember rover
Don't you 3 tank it?
frigid briar
Theres no need to take more than 1 though
faint harness
in an ideal world it aint
frigid briar
We solo tank it when sheild goes down
faint harness
but if any melee can take another stack its a rogue or DH
frigid briar
Just send one tank to go collect them and die
And nuke , let other orbs hit boss
So really we kill off 2 tanks
ember rover
You should really 3 tank it.
frigid briar
We killed it
faint harness
yea thats how most ppl do it i think
and they are 3 tanking it
they use 2 brms and 1 prot warrior
frigid briar
Pieces used a ret paldin I think lol
ember rover
Blood DKs cause they can AMS all bubbles.
frigid briar
Bloods good for it tbh with external cds
ember rover
Instead of getting 3 briny bubbles, you get 2.
faint harness
the self heal is strong
ember rover
Dunno if warriors can also immune all bubbles.
ember rover
DK's can literally immune all.
ember rover
I`m talking about the stun bubble, not the water floating bubbles.
cobalt pelican
the soak tank rarely even takes bubbles when we do it
causei t's the like
tanking tank
that gets it
night vale
yeah 2 bubble mechanics on this boss, i think people are confusing them :p
cobalt pelican
so it's just the 2nd (real) tank that gets bubbled
while the soak tank is just
flying around
faint harness
the soaking tank never gets briny
ember rover
Our floating bubble soaker is pally, for some reason we think they're better.
I dunno, I`m just a melee, got melee brain.
I DPS.
cobalt pelican
i think pally is what most people use
cause bubble and
spell bubble
or whatever
faint harness
yea they got big immunities
cobalt pelican
who knows what the FK paladin spells are called
strange python
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cobalt pelican
it means you can actually get the full wave at like 20 stacks and not instantly flop to the first tick
ember rover
I do hate him tho.
We're progressing Orgozoa, and he's tanking adds in Africa.
I can't cleave them with fken bladeflurry.
cobalt pelican
they'd have to be like
real far for that
the boss has a hitbox like 7 miles wide
ember rover
YES
EXACTLY
They're like 30 yards away sometimes
Outlaw has 8 yards range, 8 yards for the cleave then whatever the fuck the hitbox of the boss is.
Which appears to be like 10
SO they`re like more than 26 yards away.
night vale
Boss hitbox is fat as fuck, you can melee that thing in africa
your tank must hate you
frigid briar
What% you at
ember rover
16%
It would've been a kill, but you know what happened?
In p2, tank was tanking adds in africa, so we couldn't cleave onto them, then he died to them caus ethey didn't die.
And blamed us for not killing them.
scarlet sequoia
well you only kill 1 set of adds in p2
frigid briar
We got onto it last night. Should kill it tonight I think.
ember rover
Yes, and we couldn't kill that 1 set cause they were in A F R I C A
scarlet sequoia
hate to see it
frigid briar
Honestly wish I could play assass for it. My outlaw weapon is trash
scarlet sequoia
compared to outlaw its bad
ember rover
Well not if you cant cleave on adds.
scarlet sequoia
well your tanks must suck quite a bit if you cant cleave adds as outlaw on that fight
rigid mango
Never stop sucking 
night vale
wow, you werent joking! why are the adds so far away
what did you do to upset him
😂
ember rover
I dunno man.
night vale
Imagine old sub on that fight 
night vale
Galaxy brain plays right there
crystal vault
does anyone have a WA for life force minor, when the dmg buff is active?
scarlet sequoia
why would u want that
frigid briar
Not sure theres a point of having one
crystal vault
i wanted to see the uptime. but when its a debuff i can do that
didnt show up on buffs, so just curious
ember rover
It's a debuff on the target, no?
ember rover
Ye it's pretty high.
crystal vault
and someone said it scale with haste? so i assume you can get higher uptime from it ?
ember rover
Yes, it does scale with haste.
night vale
yeah cause more haste, more potential events for it to trigger off 😃
ember rover
It's a 2 RPPM proc, hasted.
That's how sims treat it.
So the minimum you'd have, with 0 haste, is 2 RPPM.
night vale
Good to know!
strange python
dood, getting blood of the enemy 3 is going to be painful ._.
dark crag
Best week until next honor week
ember rover
@faint harness you were pretty unlucky there.
I had 6 minute tries with 18-19 procs.
ANd checking logs of some other people, it procs like 22 times over 8 minutes.
faint harness
i guess
ember rover
18 procs as outlaw, due to AR giving haste.
5 minute fight, 18 procs.
So it definitely scales with haste.
low junco
lucid bolt
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lucid bolt
i dont have blood of thy enemy damn
night vale
Why do you need it?
amber briar
For a 10, is sin fine?
distant lava
sin is fine for a 25
amber briar
Crimson tempest only for really high keys?
I've just come back and can't tell if outlaw or sin is better for m+
distant lava
poison bomb
amber briar
Thanks!
distant lava
don't run dd traits
idle ember
People still after blood? Isn't life-force major with lucid and world vein minors the end game?
harsh anchor
Is there no actual use for crimson tempest regardless? I understand sim it but I remember using it with the Zul fight in Uldir and feel it could useful - perhaps Zaqul like P4 when adds start busting out or teeming/fort m+ weeks.
in higher keys 15+ tho ofc
willow scroll
I am seeing conflicting information, what's the best battle potion for assassin? Focused resolve or unbridled fury? Thanks in advance.
harsh anchor
Unbridled. I believe focused resolve is 4+ adds and agility for other situations.
Some bosses tho in EP could be more effective with other pots instead of unbridled but that’s up to you and your sims imo
hollow stone
Used ct on zul? The frick were you doing not playing sub?
harsh anchor
Ofc
hollow stone
Ct is a throw away talent at this point. Dont play it. Ever.
harsh anchor
I was sub then tried CT and it worked out ok
crisp steppe
I can see CT adding value if you wanted aoe but not wanted to run echoing blades. which just doesn't make much sense to me honestly
harsh anchor
That’s fair. Echoing blades is too decent to be replaced by CT. Was just curious on thoughts of others.
crisp steppe
well you could use both but in general its just not good value. feel free to experiment
most of your keys aren't relying on you playing poison bomb over ct
harsh anchor
I think I was just looking for an alternative to spamming fok 24/7 and add a little spice to it. I’ll see what’s poppin in my keys tonight
hollow stone
Spice it up with some outlaw keys
Sin is boring for m+, but its good 😃
Fok em all to death
strange python
Hm 420 Harlan's. Eh. Not a 430 but
Outlaw is great for fortified weeks imo
just cleave down everything. Especially with the Azerite death beam essence
420 Harlan's vs. 430 Galecallers - thoughts? Gale is better on sims (by 136) by has obvious movement considerations.
rigid mango
I'd argue outlaw's better on tyr weeks 👀
strange python
really? My ST as sin is > Outlaw
rigid mango
in m+?
strange python
Mhm
rigid mango
Outlaw's ST is really quite good
strange python
but I'm only like 1k, so im not on crazy keys
rigid mango
In m+
strange python
10/11/12s mostly
rigid mango
They just run 5/6 St traits as per usual
strange python
ah thats prolly why. I have 3x Doubledose as Sin, but my Outlaw traits arent amazing
rigid mango
You should never, ever, run ANY dd in m+.
sinful badger
What are the axtual m+ traits for sin. Is it SS or EB focused
night vale
usualy a mix of EB/SS/TTK
2/2/2 is a standard mix, but really key dependant and comp dependant
night vale
That would be nice!
strange python
For blasting low keys with big pulls, my aoe seems weak. Is it because i only have one fok trait or should i use something like CT
dusk onyx
Whats the bentic point? When i droptimize mi gear it only gets better with bentic gear with socket!? And the dmg increase is only by 400dps or so. Why you all so horny for benthic gear!?
And the bentic gear has to be on 420
granite dust
"only 400dps"
dusk onyx
Yeah only 400 dps for 5 benthics on 420 with socket
For this i should grind manapearls!? Lol
granite dust
you're obviously not using the correct benthic pieces
i lose 1k dps swapping 2 of my benthics for 440s
granite dust
did you read the pins
dusk onyx
Yes
hollow stone
Even if its "only" 400 dps per pieces thats 1600 dps. Which is huge
Idk what more evidence you want
granite dust
i think you are only comparing the gain from having the sockets and not comparing socketed benthic pieces to non-benthic pieces
do a gear compare with non-benthic pieces and see how much dps you lose
you shouldnt have wasted manapearls upgrading non-socketed pieces
urban junco
^
faint harness
scenic wyvern
Is 3 x SS - 1 x EB, 1 x TK, 1 x NP ok for Mythics?
faint harness
double dose is even worse
scenic wyvern
roger. got a shitty role on high gear =/
dusk onyx
Danke @tropic ocean but you put in a 120 agi socket wich i already have :D
No seriously, so getting all gear with socket and then get it on 425 is.... awful. I already spent more then 1k manapearls and didnt get 1 item with socket.
And so if i change my current gear with Mythic gear i think i get on the same DPS as with this Benthic shit!?
tropic ocean
I didnt bother to switch sockets from my own gear
🤷
idk i have 455 items that get outsimmed by benthic so 🤷
dusk onyx
fokkin RNG
tropic ocean
? benthic is less rng than mythic loot
only thing limiting you is amount of characters
dusk onyx
A socket on Benthic is very RNG
tropic ocean
getting the item drop and get it socketed in raid
is more rng?
and get it forged as well 🤔
granite dust
if you have alts you can get like 50-60 manapearls in an hour just doing the intro + initial quests/WQs
per character
just dont spend the 20 on the upgrade quest
dusk onyx
Did it with 3 twinks already, much fun, no socket
scenic wyvern
RNG for dayz
dusk onyx
Im not happy with that system. And i didnt say i like titanforging but with benthic there is now even more RNG shit
scenic wyvern
got to 432 in 3 dayz after not playing for yonks
hollow stone
Yea. Its a shit system but its what we've got for the tier so use it to your advantage
scenic wyvern
amen
faint harness
just get lucky 4head
ember rover
Have you tried a crit build?
sudden ocean
Use Condensed life force on cooldown?
hollow stone
Clf usage depends on fight length. If youre not going to miss a 3rd cast, hold for 4m vend. If youre going to get a 3rd cast, use on cd
sudden ocean
Can the little rock fella be killed?
hollow stone
I dont think so. Havent seen him die once yet
severe bough
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fVMVMN3d2qwquAsWCXnKdD
haste build still bis for rock 
i guess i should go buy an accord of haste
sudden ocean
Another question, should I just be trying to fit as many envenoms as I can into a lucid dreams window?
cobalt pelican
like, the major?
sudden ocean
yes
sudden ocean
so spend and don't cap
cobalt pelican
so bleed maintenance and making sure you have energy for tb is still pretty much what you do
though making sure you have energy for tb isn't really a thing
since you have energy coming out of your ass
upbeat hazel
can someone help me with the opener, using MA, cyclo blast, font, lucid dreams major
unsure about when to use lucid and cyclo blast
lucid bolt
if i only have level 2 of memory of lucid dreams, what should my minor essence be ?
sturdy dust
What's the best way to farm honor right now - Epic BGs or Brawls?
granite dust
if you sim your character in raidbots you can see the optimal cast sequence in the full html report @upbeat hazel
leaden garden
Focusing Iris good for m+?
verbal nimbus
hell yeah
leaden garden
Cool, will try it now
How do you generaly fit it in? Garrote x3, fok-> rupt-> Focusing?
sturdy dust
Yep
median sand
That’s what I do
sturdy dust
Depends on size of the pull and their HP, but I try to max my ruptures first
median sand
This got me thinking...is iris benefitted by EP windows?
upbeat hazel
why not rupt before the fok?
median sand
I didn’t catch that. I rupt before fok for juicy EP boosted burst
upbeat hazel
and the CP you dont waste i assume
median sand
Eh wasted CP is less of a deal with massive amounts of mobs. Sometimes I’ll overcap CP with fok spam. I’m 3x EB though
plush relic
Hey guys. Quick benthic gear question (i've already looked at the pinned msg and website). It's suggested we get the frost dmg or puffer for wrists. Are those equally good ? I just got puffer with socket and dont know if I should keep aiming for Ori's (frost dmg).
median sand
After 100 wrists, I finally got puffer...difference is marginal in static fights. Becomes a bigger deal with high movement
vestal wren
pufferfish is minimal worse, but the diffrence is super low, so either is fine
median sand
Stick with puffer and move on to the next grind 😃
vestal wren
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plush relic
Yeah will do! Thanks
vestal wren
my next gamble will also be bracers
plush relic
Poen's hands really worth getting? Havent seen a lot of people with those (maybe they just focused on the others first)
round harbor
@sturdy dust Chaim queue brawls and sit farm with a guild banner
I got ~25k honor in a day and half
And it's pure afk
violet mural
hi i've got some issue i would like some help with if some expert rouge would be willing to assist me ill appricate it
idle ember
Lucid sims far better than blood for me for the foreseeable future, even simming both rank 3. (I don't have bote 3 unlocked) I'll be getting rank 3 life-force next week. Do you ever use blood as a minor after unlocking the third tier? I've got another 3k honor to farm and it's killing me.
warped shoal
i remember there was command for raidbots so i can allow the bot to pre channel my azsharas font, can somebody help me with that?
violet mural
so here is my sim https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hqCMm4FmGJHLcWvn47fysD according to it im suppose to do 30k dps but i barely do 20k what can i do to improve
valid kayak
Reroll horde 👌
woeful minnow
hard to tell without seeing you play or logs
idle ember
sim wont show what your rotation is
woeful minnow
also your neck is 53 you'd benefit a lot from pushing that to 55
solid nova
@warped shoal bfa.font_of_power_precombat_channel=4
eager linden
Does any of you know, if there's any worth on delaying Vanish/Vendetta for 15secs @ pull (with Font + Lurkers) so you can have both trinkets active for 15secs during the Vendetta ?
I know some other classes do it, was wondering if it'd also benefit us
warped shoal
@solid nova thx mate
@solid nova shouldnt i see the font in the sample Abilty log?
i pout the command in the apl box right?
lucid bolt
anyone know whats a good minor essence to pair with level 2 memory of lucid dreams ?
i checked out the pins and it just assumes everything i got is level 3
eager linden
i'd say sim them, but Resonance was what I paired with Lucid Dreams
lucid bolt
awesome thanks tess
eager linden
but then again, sim them
lucid bolt
im at work now so i cant 😦
woeful minnow
lucid minor?
lone mirage
major
woeful minnow
yeah
cobalt pelican
the font prechannel is in the base apl, if not weekly then just change to nightly
woeful minnow
lucid energy regen makes haste less valuable than it used to be, believe in The Sim®
bright smelt
people stacking undulating tides or just me being crazy?
lone mirage
Ok thank u jnas
woeful minnow
you can do kind of a ghetto thing @thurg, go to gear compare, import your amory, click the "convert to simc" button then copy/paste that back into top gear
top gear lets you sim different essences
warm parcel
And what would be 2 mins to past from that point?
warped shoal
the next font is at 4:00
warm parcel
warm parcel
In the sample of the report
vestal wren
you can also run a quick sim it should have an option to show the sample sequence on raidbots
vestal wren
pre-pull is not parsed correct and all shows on 0
cobalt pelican
you can see the latent arcana buff or whatever in the buff list anyway
dusky lichen
can i immune with cloak the piercing barb in m behemoth?
lapis obsidian
Someone having issues with FoP trinket? sometimes i get out of stealth sometimes i dont
tiny arrow
@dusky lichen Yes
kindred cedar
Is it only in the opener u wanna do Vendetta -> TB ?
shows in my rotation that in my second vendetta i do Vendetta -> Envenom spam
strange python
can we have a macro for vanish + blood ?
civic palm
@strange python Should work.
strange python
i don't know how to do it, it only cast vanish
civic palm
@kindred cedar Are you sure in the second vendetta that TB is available to use?
cobalt pelican
blood is on the gcd
vanish is not
so put blood first
and it should work
but it's pretty bad as an idea
civic palm
Yeah you don't always want it there.
civic palm
There are cases where you would want to stack it with trinket usage or boss vulnerabilities as well.
In general it's a poor idea to limit your options.
arctic walrus
Is there a way to track the internal stacks of logic loop of recursion in a WA
kindred cedar
@civic palm not really, but thought u wanted to delay to line them up
but maybe thats not the case
civic palm
@arctic walrus Should be possible (because almost anything is possible), but requires a decent about of scripting to get it there considering it's a hidden aura.
There's a WA export on Wowhead for it but I doubt that works > _>
Can't hurt to try, obviously.
arctic walrus
Damn doesn't work
civic palm
Yeah from the description it looks like it's trying to track a buff/debuff on the target, but also lists the aura/buff as hidden, so it functions similar to how Windwalker mastery does/used to work.
strange python
Do you use blood of the enemy in your opener? or where do you use it on a rotation?
arctic walrus
Yeah it's just annoying because things like stealth shroud and tricks add to the effect so I start the pull with it on cd
dark crag
when you sit on bench as assa rogue because you do only st dmg, meanwhile boss has 60% hp when he should transition to p2
hollow stone
Just run iris, then tell them you cleave, then swap it before pull
Ez
And then link them boss dmg
dark crag
let them wipe, got ring from ashvane and no bonusrolls anymore. i won't get an item anyway and kill looks too far away
near nacelle
dark crag
i even have a ttk setup to go aoe->st
median sand
How is a 450 TF spyglass a dps loss over a 415 agi/on use haste....when crit is still simming highest with the spyglass
placid dawn
civic palm
Also depends on how much of each stat you are getting not just that crit > agility.
nimble tartan
Nerf benthic
civic palm
GAMBLE BETTER
harsh sphinx
nerf
fiery hazel
Don't you like gambling for upgrades?
stable yarrow
harsh sphinx
they are too strong
median sand
Right, I understand...but I would have expected haste to gain value, not crit
woeful minnow
nerf benthic? I say go the opposite way, give me benthic rings and trinkets please
woeful minnow
I like how you think
harsh sphinx
just thinking about that..
strange python
Don't forget benthic pets.
dark crag
don't give them ideas
harsh anchor
Benthic leveling - I spend mana pearls to get to the next expansion 
strange python
"Whatcha gonna roll for today?! PETS?! Aww, you rolled a pet rock!"
mighty elm
any rog on zequl?
arctic walrus
What u need
mighty elm
we runnin vision?
arctic walrus
Are you going down on both splits
mighty elm
ya
mighty elm
ye idm bout the dmg, just lining ups
last cedar
think seliathan is trolling with triple EB/HB?
fiery hazel
probably was in M+?
hollow stone
Nah. Hb meme dream hella pumper aoe
last cedar
yeah it was M+ but outside of fort week whats the point
hollow stone
I doubt he'll run it this next week tho
rotund pier
When using Condensed Lifeforce R3 Major and Lucid R3 minor, do we just use Condensed on CD?
short jacinth
If you can squeeze a third use in the fight yea
main mirage
When you sim Font of power from azhara does it sim it like you use it as a pre pot?
strange python
You can check to see if it casts it prepull on the sim
peak saffron
sorry, what's HB? @hollow stone
main mirage
@strange python If it does not, can i add that somehow?
deft patio
Idk what to main..outlaw or sin rogue?
These days outlaw has as good dmg as sin xD
What are your thoughts about this?
rotund stream
Why not both
tiny granite
^ just swap based on fight. That's how most mythic raiders play tbh when there are fights where a different spec might shine
If you're not mythic raiding and it's too much work then just pick the one you like best
meager nebula
Play whatever you like more
The difference between the two specs hardly matters outside of very high end guilds
rotund stream
Stick with what you are good at for content that matters work on the other in normal or heroic
peak saffron
thanks
opal oyster
Is Blightborne Infusion better than NP for ST?
cobalt pelican
sometimes
empty tide
it is
opal oyster
Ty guys
tribal marlin
droptimizer saying the only piece better than my 435 gorak tul is 445 gorak tul -.-
cobalt pelican
prolly not far from the truth
radiance shoulders with 4 are probably a small upgrade, no?
but besides that it's going to be like -0.2% for tent 445 and +some% for gorak 445
tent might let you move around np or something though
drifting cloud
you prolly need +5 on radiance shoulders to be upgrade from 435 goraks
even from my 420 goraks theyre not that big of an upgrade
spare sable
How many loyal to the ends does your raid need to have to pull it ahead of other traits?
scarlet sequoia
about 350
wide delta
what is the difference between hard mode and normal mode mechagon?
ripe portal
Yarp
cobalt pelican
it caps at 4 and depends heavily on your mastery weight so
quasi halo
When should one be using the pocket device? After Vendetta and Lucid? or can you fit it into the opener?
ripe portal
No vendetta/lucid and not capped/going to cap energy I think?
strange python
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crystal vessel
How did they buff Kimbuls?
faint harness
they made all the dmg proc trinkets scale off vers
and ilvl
and just increased them baseline
crystal vessel
Hell yea. Thanks
pliant token
mhh no one a idea for vendetta/lucid and device?
crystal vessel
I feel like inkpod is meh. Sub 30% it’s 400 agi and that’s it,
faint harness
its potentially over a mil dmg 
crystal vessel
I don’t know how. Highest I’ve seen on my 430 is 220k
faint harness
very short bosses perhaps
crystal vessel
Maybe.
crisp steppe
the big play is to push behemoth to 30% as he is about to phsae or while phasing
so it doesn't do any dmg at all 
crystal vessel
Lol
faint harness
Pog
rotund stream
lol but ya my 435 will hit a most heroic bosses for 600 to 800 k if you use the coral at 30% boom...
crystal vessel
Don’t have coral
autumn trench
didn't realise until tonight that the Loyal death proc is 20 yards
had our soak tank take it on Ashvane but it procced on 3 people once and 0 people the second time
gilded sequoia
Would anyone have time to help check my logs? I've been struggling quite a bit this raid tier: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/nYdGDfKcM3pJtPR8#fight=6
round nimbus
scarlet sequoia
there
cobalt pelican
this is the assassination channel and you appear to be playing outlaw
fading wigeon
@round nimbus look at the pins
gilded sequoia
Only on the first boss, but yes that's an accurate assessment.
cobalt pelican
ic
gilded sequoia
I see how that could be confusing, sorry
cobalt pelican
basic stuff at a first glance: opener is pretty much completely wrong, playing subterfuge and only getting an 18 second garrote and losing the FREE cps is pretty bad
coral should be the first trinket you apply, and cyclotronic should be happening way later (post lucid most likely)
ah you're playing subterfuge with no ss so i guess it makes slightly more sense
but it's still wrong
gilded sequoia
Yeah I struggled quite a bit
cobalt pelican
you should probably be playing master assassin given the gear you have
i find it hard to believe subterfuge is particularly close
gilded sequoia
Yeah after simming I didn't see much of an increase so I just kept what I was comfortable with
cobalt pelican
shows as a ~300 dps gain in your current gear but if you insist on playing subterfuge
gilded sequoia
Don't insist, open to the suggestion for sure
cobalt pelican
gar (coral) mut rupt vend tb mut continue vanish for a garrote when it drops
continue into lucid etc
and when you're hitting <80 energy which will likely be post lucid you can use cyclo
foking on what i imagine is 4 targets is pretty inefficient but there's plenty of those being thrown out
on radiance, this is
gilded sequoia
vanish garrote I am assuming w/ subterfuge only
cobalt pelican
yeah, if you change to ma the opener changes a bit but the cyclotronic/coral will always be in that order
coral takes precedence unless for some specific niche reason in the opener
gilded sequoia
ok, yeah that makes sense I was looking at others logs last night and I gleaned that
cobalt pelican
you had a pretty scuffed vendetta where you used it super late on the ad spawn
and kinda lost the end of it
gilded sequoia
wait for add to die and use on boss, ok
cobalt pelican
it really depends how fast you kill the boss
either use it sooner on the ad
or hold it
don't do some weird inbetween mess
gilded sequoia
Yeah I used it when it came up, I think?
cobalt pelican
ah yeah your vend was delayed a bit naturally cause of the cyclotronic stuff i guess
gilded sequoia
yeah that would do it : (
cobalt pelican
at this fight length you can always hold till the intermission is over and lose nothing really
gilded sequoia
awesome, good to know
cobalt pelican
on the 2nd intermission you vanish garroted the boss just as she phased which is
kinda weird
like it was your very last global on her before sprinting away and her having 99% damage reduction
gilded sequoia
oops...
sterile chasm
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Qk1XG92rtyzALHj7/#fight=19&type=damage-done Why i suck so much tell me 😦
cobalt pelican
besides that it's all small stuff like having garrote refreshes inside tb but like
those are minor things, iron out the opener and if you're not objecting to ma nail down the ma opener
learn timings for boss stuff, preplan 2nd pot etc
gilded sequoia
alright, thanks a lot for taking the time
cobalt pelican
@narc vanishing before your garrotes have finished is a big nono
stuff like this happens from just
smashing your keyboard too hard
you have like 30 seconds of downtime after the intermission where you aren't even hitting the boss
did you get knocked into the water or something?
cobalt pelican
you're also spam fokking stormlings with 3dd
which might feel right but definitely isn't
at least not unless you get a 2nd wave while the first are still alive
which isn't true for at least the majority of those log
you have another 30+ seconds downtime at like 5mins into the fight
while your 2nd pot is rolling
and i don't even know what that would be for
sterile chasm
i think when this was 30 sec i had to reload gamestoday i had problems with my pc but on BOD i was best i deal much dps now i suck so fucking hard
cobalt pelican
you can't really expect to do good damage if you spend 30 seconds swimming and 30 seconds reloading your game
in a 5 min fight
sterile chasm
ye maybe its a bad log for it i will search for another
cobalt pelican
on blackwater you're doing like
?
you garrote once only and then overwrite your own garrote 5 seconds later with an unempowered one
quasi pewter
cobalt pelican
then vanish
sterile chasm
I garrote boss
cobalt pelican
andn cheap shot the boss
what the FUCK
you're playing subterfuge ss
are you drunk
sterile chasm
i cant rly play with master ass
scarlet sequoia
you are a master ass
cobalt pelican
i'm so confused
scarlet sequoia
cheap shotting bosses left and right
sterile chasm
i have to learn playing with ass thats why i play it i try go Subtferuge then I change
coral pawn
Should play subterfuge with SS
cobalt pelican
you can't really just swap the talent if you have traits that are like borderline unusable without subterfuge
quasi pewter
desert vault
...
3 boots benthic rolls, 3 sockets in a row, all three ... mount speed :\
I think I'm done, RIP my DPS, but I'm over trying for a good solid week. This is nuts.
sterile chasm
@cobalt pelican still with subtferuge build i cant reach my dpses from guild when i play good with it
cobalt pelican
you would need to link an example of you playing good
so far the two logs i've looked at you spent 20% of the boss doing nothing
and in the other you cheap shot the boss
sterile chasm
@quasi pewter i dont need a guide i had 90% perfo on BOD
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/kwyGDtLhn93QAVNR#fight=last&type=damage-done maybe this would be better
cobalt pelican
to be fair you clearly do need a guide.. lots of this stuff is super basic
for example even the first like 6 globals in this log
you vend tb and then use iris inside both
i understand you want the 2t cleave but
lean coral
dude you padded on azshara with memebeam lol
cobalt pelican
it's just.. wrong?
sterile chasm
@lean coral i dont rly have other essences i just farm honor to reach lvl 3 blood
lean coral
^^^^^^^^^
scarlet sequoia
u do it
lean coral
you really do need a guide
lean coral
well your 95 last tier doesnt mean shit now does it
scarlet sequoia
well you clearly suck now
sterile chasm
2.2K score last season need a guide i just dont play a while and I am super confused
scarlet sequoia
if you werent clueless you'd know where to look for information
cobalt pelican
you're like repeatedly fokking the two starter mobs on azshara
idk
actually read the guide
sterile chasm
ok nvm i will read maybe I will learn smth
@cobalt pelican can u send your logs maybe i could see how u play ;X
cobalt pelican
my character is plode-arathor eu but like
there's a giant stack of logs from better players than me available
desert vault
am I seeing things right, you just by rank 3 of Lucid Dreams for 50 pearls?
desert vault
oh have to get the achieve and THEN buy it
lean coral
yeh
cobalt pelican
desert vault
i thought you could skip the XP
cobalt pelican
i had this bigbrain opener yesterday
lean coral
naw
desert vault
figured it was too good to be true
lean coral
so my 1 key was fish
summer marten
maybe it would have worked if it was behemoth fight
lone junco
scarlet sequoia
cant fish while swimming mate
summer marten
damn, blizz thought about everything
worn magnet
what potion do we use?
summer marten
fury
worn magnet
ty
wild stone
so whats exactly the issue with Undulating Tides and it simming for more than it should be? Trying to decide Twist/UT or Twist/DD
summer marten
it turns off if you fall under 50% hp and damage wont proc
polar cape
Its cool on heroic not so much on prog
wild stone
Thanks guys
gusty summit
Can someone look over a log for me? It seems like my damage is a bit lower than it could be
robust light
are the benthic gloves worth the effort to get? i have bracers, belt and boots now. dont see the gloves in the pin so im assuming theyre not that good?
i already have 430 socketed gloves with good stats
spice frost
Gloves are like 500 dps upgrade socketed at 420 over my current 430 socketed gloves. They are worthwhile
robust light
damn
spice frost
Azshara gloves are also good. Benthic gloves are better but the Azshara ones ain’t bad
robust light
back to pearl farming on alts 😦
spice frost
I haven’t simmed Azshara belt because I’m greedy and don’t want to help others. I imagine they ain’t bad either though
desert vault
I will never have a single piece of benthic gear. Pretty great.
civic palm
o _O
peak saffron
Azshara gear is really good, and gets better the more people have it
visual quartz
Finally rolled my socketd boots, like close to 500 pearls later 😛
neon sedge
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
strange python
actually just simmed a 445 azshara belt with a socket, it was +9 dps compared to the 425 benthic with a socket
unborn moon
Do assassination dots and bleeds add stacks for Ashvane's razor coral?
desert vault
I'm over 500 on boots. I have no pocketed benthic at all
arctic walrus
No matt
desert vault
Is the basic idea with coral just use on CD in m+
rotund stream
if you use it on a target and it died before you flip it you get the crit buff and can reapply
on a boss flip it for second 3rd vendetta if if lasts that long.
lean coral
so you've earned and spent 2500 pearls on boots
solemn meadow
white basalt
figured it out, thanks
cobalt pelican
it's impressive how many people don't know how to make like
the worlds simplest weakauras
wild sphinx
Which benthic bracers are the best for EP?
rotund stream
its amazing when you find ppl that dont use weakauras
sour wraith
anyone able to take at a log of mine and see if they can see what I did wrong?
ripe portal
Have you tried plugging it into wowanalyzer?
sour wraith
Didn't think that was optimized for rogue
arctic walrus
If you know what to look for it's useful
It's not the perfect tool, but you can see problems easily if htey exist
heady ridge
I mean analyzer told me to use belfs racial trait and I dunno how impactful it is
heady ridge
guess I should just research where do I need dispels and if I dont I just pop it
honestly I didn't even know it gave energy
always used it to get rid of shields and what not
cobalt pelican
if there's actual dispel value then just use it for that but
in raid environments there's like
very very few uses for it as an offensive dispel
infact i can't really think of any
faint harness
you have DH, priest, shaman to cover that too
meager nebula
there are also other classes that can dispel magic effects
cobalt gyro
free resource is pretty worth if you don't need to dispel 🤷
but if you're leaving a dispel to a belf rogue specifically, idk what to say
sudden ocean
Is 15% increase enough to push Arcane Heart into usability?
frozen karma
we use the raid essence on cd right?
faint harness
depends on fight duration etc
if you aint gonna get a 3rd use of the essence, you might as well delay 2nd use for 4 minute vendetta
frozen karma
where do you place it exactly on pull?
drifting cloud
it walks with you lol
frozen karma
I mean use it
faint harness
right before using vendetta
drifting cloud
before vendetta
frozen karma
that's what I wanted to know, ty
arctic walrus
can't tell if I should rock boy or blood for azshara
rigid mango
I havn't looked enough at the fight 
arctic walrus
Method rogues took blood/lucid but idk maybe they just didn't have it
marble elm
last phase is 2:30
nimble tartan
cmon vel
dusty dagger
I was thinking BotE was for inkpod proc, but don't have one myself to try it out
arctic walrus
heck you omr
woeful minnow
is it true the mini vendetta proc from vision can overwrite your real vendetta? 
steep obsidian
cant you kind of game coral trinket for inkpod?
i dont have one so havent bothered to fiddle or research much yet i konw our dh does
arctic walrus
You can yes
Holding cds for 20s for rockboy isn't worth it right? It doesn't feel worth
steep obsidian
id say that answer woudl vary depending on whether youd lose a useage or not or whether burst is needed for a specific point of the fight
the logs ive looked at for ashvaned popped stuff of of cd it seems
rigid mango
@woeful minnow just don't use vision, it's hot garbage
steep obsidian
wouldnt vision be almost useful for the minor cdr if you REALLY needed vendetta up a bit sooner
its not all about the sims right 😛
or is it
arctic walrus
Vision is only allowed on zaqul
rigid mango
And that's just the minor
arctic walrus
@rigid mango is clf affected by vendetta or you simply want 10% haste inside vendetta
rigid mango
It's not
You just want the haste during vend, and the guaranteed 5% damage uptime
Also, if you can get BL during CLF it's quite nice
The attacks of the major + the ppm of minor are hasted
steep obsidian
i didnt even do har mode king mecha this week my rank 3 visions still 2 weeks away anyway
woeful minnow
that's why I had to ask, because I don't use the thing
rigid mango
Just think of it like this
woeful minnow
someone said it in gchat and I had to verify because that seems too dumb to be true
rigid mango
"who cares, it sucks anyways"
woeful minnow
but also very funny
arctic walrus
looking back I can actually line it up better so i'll try it next week
arctic walrus
Assume you'll get bad things and you won't be disappointed
fallow otter
well that didnt work last week haha
spare flame
Is there a certain time I should be popping Condensed life? Dont see anything in the guide/pins
fallow otter
tbh this week i got some luck all rolled into 1 cloak, so cannot complain
white basalt
are yall saving for 445 azerite this point even if you dont have good 430 shit?
fallow otter
only gambling 445 for me but i am clearing heroic weekly + mech HM. if i couldnt do this weekly i would think about rolling for 430 instead
but only if i needed results now, long term its not the move
white basalt
cool cool
is font of power worth it in M+? talking uncoordinating groups without boss pull timers etc
fallow otter
i have a normal one, and i dont use
rigid mango
I've found it awk to use it for pugs
but it wokrs
as long as they do pulltimers for bosses it's fine
you can lose some uptime for packs because their pulls are awk, but it seems fine
quasi pewter
its propably not bad but i really dont like it even with my main group
rigid mango
It's insane if used properly
dim sigil
can you still loot the items required for the raid essence from normal, even if you are saved on heroic?
Someone said it got fixed
fallow otter
if you are pushing i would avoid it
quasi pewter
you already got all the items from normal if you did heroic
rigid mango
If you're pushing I'd sayu it's insane
dim sigil
Oh heroic just drops more now? @quasi pewter
quasi pewter
if you do a boss on hc you get all the reliquaries that you would have gotten on normal from that boss + the extra from hc
dim sigil
ahhhhhhh
cerulean walrus
Plus this is a #wow-general question anyway
quasi pewter
and its always been like that
dim sigil
So heroic does drop more now
quasi pewter
nothings been changed
dim sigil
No
it was not
100%
I did heroic first in week 1 on my druid
and then normal on tuesday or so and still got the items
cerulean walrus
fast gyro
guys sorry i dont see it in your pins. which pot is good for assas rogues nowadays? unbridled or sup agi pot?
fallow otter
fury
fast gyro
Ok cheers figured as much
sweet pebble
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
dire spoke
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
sweet pebble
Hey can someone guide me how to weight my gear for both mythic+ and heroic? Like exact options i need to choose.
sweet pebble
Everything else on default?
upbeat geode
for heroic (raid) you can go to raidbots, click statweights and sim yourself
solid nova
Essence Usage
Condensed Life-Force:
In the opener, after MA/Subt window, before vendetta and then on cooldown as it's not buffed by any of your other Rogue abilities. Minor gain in some situations holding for 3rd Vendetta (Providing you don't miss a cast) due to the haste procs.
__Lucid Dreams: __
Don't pair it with Vendetta. Delay it for energy starve during your Vendetta window (Sub 50 energy~). This will be right after the TB window, ensuring having enough energy for the remainder of Vendetta. However when BL/Hero is used on pull delay it further. Use it when starved and can't cast anything else.
Blood of the Enemy:
For ST with MA and BotE use Blood into Vanish+Finisher after TB within Vendetta
For AoE, It provides more EB procs (still only up to 5). Best used either after garroting 3 enemies or before using Fan of Knives back to back
true thistle
nice
strange python
Do you dot the boss on court you Are not actively on? I feel like the walkpaths don’t make it worth
winter moss
do so when step is up
rigid mango
or velf racial if you play the best race 
winter moss
^
true thistle
what is your dps guys on m+ as assa?
rigid mango
I don't really think that's a good question
There's so many things that can change that number
The genuin answer is enough
waxen valve
But always enough :)
winter moss
keys rip because dumdum players
jaunty arrow
Am i only one who feels like a paper in 16+?
winter moss
this requires elaboration
rigid mango
^
jaunty arrow
Its like compare to war in my group i am like without armor 🤔
quasi pewter
open reef
hey - fast question -
- while using Blood of the Enemy and MA, should I delay Vanish or use it while Essence is up ?
- with getting rank 2 BotE - use it on CD or line with vendetta ?
true thistle
@rigid mango i am asking because my dps is around 30k on my m+
winter moss
traits / stats / comp?
winter moss
want a solid setup 2/2/2
true thistle
ss/eb/toxic?
jaunty arrow
Atleast one ss and echo
winter moss
yes
rigid mango
like
winter moss
want to deal some prio 1ss/2eb/3ttk
rigid mango
You've got to realise
winter moss
want to pad 3ss/3eb
rigid mango
DPS is relative to the runs
true thistle
i have 3xSS/3xEB
rigid mango
You can't ask what people are doing when you have no clue what's going on
compared to your run
winter moss
^
winter moss
dps doesnt save the key, people knowing what to do in what situation save the key
true thistle
and trinkets i have seen deadeye + ashara one
is this bis for like all/most of m+'es?
ember rover
@true thistle hmmmm
jaunty arrow
Ashara one is good, but i like more dice like second
rigid mango
Dice is inconsistant
The spyglass is just better for most situations
apart from possibly high tyr KR/ToS keys
But even then, I'd just take spyglass
ember rover
Spyglass + Azshara seems to be best for me in M+.
On dungeons with big pulls, I replace Spyglass with Phial of Arcane Tempest.
Phial is hidden MVP
winter moss
dice isnt really a choice imo due to lack of consistency and usefulness
rigid mango
I don't feel that it's good enough to warrant the 2nd on use for m+, but I've not used it yet so
winter moss
even in high kr id rather play double onuse than dice
true thistle
thats pain in the ass
true thistle
yeah would be cool
i got iritated by friend of mine
he got 445 deadeye from chest
week before ilvl in chests pumped up
rigid mango
stable oxide
being happy for someone else!? impossibru!
I got a 455 weap on Mythic
You hear more complains than Grats :P
zenith gust
U guys using loyal to the end? 4+ are using it in my raid, and sins higher to me replacing a NP trait. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/Vvm3aajxwE5bLbByqRh3w
zenith gust
Cool
crystal vault
sometimes i have this weird timing where rapture is ticking for like ~11s and TB comes off coldown in like a few seconds, is it worth to refresh rapture outside pandemic window? otherwise i refresh in at ~7s and dont have enough energy in TB window ♿
rigid mango
Yes, you refresh outside of pandemic
worn crag
wtf loyal to the end seems low at bloodmallet oO
crystal vault
scarlet sequoia
no
cosmic pier
do they prefer to heal instead of damaga?
cosmic pier
ah k
scarlet sequoia
unless u can get really good ones from azshara
cosmic pier
im gonna roll belt next though, much higher chance to get the right item
already have boots/wrists
got 3 socketed abberation belts in a row lol
ember rover
I've had 425 gloves unsocketed just to test them, and they're less than 0.8% of my dmg, compared to wrist / belt which are usually 1.5% each.
So the gloves are effectively 50% less dmg than belt / wrist.
So I personally don't think that the gloves are worth it.
summer marten
for me in actual raid they did equal or more damage than bracers
night vale
i mean thats annecdotal evidence, i could say they perform best for me
depends on loads of factors
rigid mango
Like I said, very anecdotal evidence all around
since we don't actually know the ppm
tribal marlin
Coral is cool on KR
Thing with bracers is that they have noticeably less stat than belt / gloves making the gap between 425 socket benthic and 455socket more relevant.
Also Azshara does drop some pretty nice gloves and belt.
for sin at least
bleak spoke
I don’t have bracers but right now the gloves and belt seem roughly equal in power
night vale
just gotta kill azshara mythic :p
tribal marlin
I leveled 5 benthic socket to 425, I do aberration belt for Za'qul now ....
native radish
What are the best essences for a assa rogue? If you could have all at level 3?
night vale
I mean for single target it seems to be, Condensed Life Force (Major) and Memory of Lucid Dreams (Minor)
scarlet hinge
!essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
potent raft
I dont know if it has been done by someone before, but if you add this https://paste.gg/p/anonymous/06f7dbc45b2a4af38babb9e8c858109e to your /simc output in raidbots' top-gear it will allow you to sim all "good" azerite pieces. Just remember to add the powers in rings where both traits are viable (as only 1 is preselected)
winter moss
^droptimizer
potent raft
afaik droptimizer doesn't give you a complete set of azerite combinations together?
and you cant mix and match raid gear with vendor gear
(maybe i am noob at using droptimizer)
winter moss
where's the point im simming something you dont have
potent raft
so you know what you need to get O.o
winter moss
droptimizer + common sense
as far as i am concerned simming specific items isnt very helpful at all. you can gamble on them or hope to drop them
but adding various items to top gear to see what to get is like shooting fish in a barrel
you already preselected
potent raft
i disagree. Droptimizer allows you to see which single item is your biggest upgrade from one source of conent. It doesn't take into account combinations + multiple sources
winter moss
that's where common sense does it's part
i mean if you try to sim every single azerite combination you are hitting sim caps anyway
and im pretty sure that ceph chest and manto de gorak tul + engineering helmet are a solid setup for single target fights
ilvl is the only thing that changed
rigid mango
+1
potent raft
"that's where common sense does it's part
i mean if you try to sim every single azerite combination you are hitting sim caps anyway"
exactly, you sim only the "common sense" parts which i've linked in a paste above and you dont hit the cap