what other trinket do you have
#assassination
scarlet sequoia
old solar
phial of the arcane tempest atm
scarlet sequoia
think u just use it with vendetta then
so apply it on pull and use it on 2nd vendetta
old solar
okay cool thanks
rotund mural
phial of tempest of dead-eye trinket for m+? i mean idk if dungenslice is correct, so any suggestions?
bleak spoke
Deadeye is very good for m+
zenith hatch
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pseudo hamlet
Guys, I've got Azshara trinket right now. 😃 Any tips when to use it? Immediately before Vendetta? I have Master Assassin and Toxic Blade spec.
civic palm
Stack it with other things o _O
pseudo hamlet
@solemn meadow thank you! 😃
solemn meadow
strange python
pls someone help me with the timing on azshara for vendetta
the 3rd vendetta feels awful
it's like just before the shield
but even if i save it for after the shiled
the mob still dies in like 10 seconds so it wastes half of it
strange python
k
solemn meadow
and I just burst it down
strange python
i think i'm delaying too much somewhere i'll check the log
solemn meadow
like I use my 3rd vendetta on the snakebitch at the console
tribal marlin
Got trolled on ashvane
I took subter because it same same in ST and it help with bble
got bubbled every single time -.-
inner tree
so when you use the mut rupt mut opener what do you do when you get 4 cp after the second mut ?
says fuck it and waste cp ?
coarse plank
Would anyone mind telling me rally fast where I should be trying to farm trinkets?
Spyglass, Plumage, Galecallers are top three choices right?
sour wasp
coral is ashvane, font is azshara, inkpod is orgozoa
you can see more info on bloodmallet.com
for the rankings
coarse plank
Okay. Thanks so much. ❤️
sour wasp
np
coarse plank
I still have that Cannon trinket and the electro jar
Lol
Think the Punchcard think is worth? Or just go try for the raid ones you named.
sour wasp
punchcard sims the best for me until i get another raid one
atm i only have the coral
it is still powerful
strange python
Coral not good for m+ right?
shy dust
Punch card with the revered item is strong
opal oyster
Is Onlulating Tides top tier for anything?
vestal wren
UT is terrible on progression hence the uptime will suffer a lot
opal oyster
ty
tiny granite
@strange python for raiding or m+ or all of the above
strange python
@tiny granite for raiding. in M+ I'm playing outlaw
cerulean walrus
azure sluice
@strange python x3 double dose 1 NP 2 of what the best u got
never go for garrot in ST
strange python
@azure sluice ty 😄
tiny granite
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/23#class=Rogue&spec=Assassination
Is also a good resource to see what the top parses are using @strange python
strange python
2x Twisted knife good?
near python
does toxic blade work with inky boi
opal oyster
Is Blight Infusion better than NP?
@strange python From top 8 assa in Warcraftlogs, 3 players arr using 2, 2 players are using 1 and 3 players are using none
are*[
vapid scarab
@near python it shouldn’t
frosty obsidian
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strange python
is there any prowess to using crucible of flame or just use on cd?
wintry mica
The pinned message says to take two secondary stat weapon enchants but isnt force multiplier on MH and top secondary for OH much better now?
strange python
you sim and see
warm sable
No garrot ?!?!
rigid mango
@strange python it's not bad, raid gear has a bunch and that's why people use it a lot
@warm sable what?
@wintry mica force + best simming, which weap doesn't matter
@strange python not really, just press on cd
sand otter
After playing law for about 2 months. I have to say coming back to sin I'm enjoying it more
wintry mica
is it optimal to pool energy before toxic blade even if it means you waste a GCD or two? I feel like a lot of times I dont have enough energy to use as many GCD as possible during the debuff
meager nebula
yes you should aim to pool for it without overcapping
wintry mica
is there a magic number of energy to shoot for or do I just need to get a feel for how much I need to not run out?
ionic dome
How's that Engineering Helm.? Is it alright for Sin.?
lone mirage
Hi guys, i am now fine with mm+ and want to try my rogue in raid , i ve 3 others azeritique stuff with DD traits , 1 vendetta, and ttk, so its a good start , but what stats should i follow?
sudden trench
Sim bud. Its diff all the time
meager nebula
@wintry mica just as close to your energy cap without actually capping
the engi helm is decent but its not the best, its good if you want to be able to trade helms to your raid @ionic dome
lone mirage
Ok detrony , an other newbie question , with MA i open strongly, but my dps go down slowly after that , normal ?
lone mirage
Ok ty
sudden trench
Every 2 min you will bust again with cds
lone mirage
yeah with my vendetta and melt
vocal kelp
traits like DD does give us sustained damage which is nice
royal lantern
sin has good sustained dmg and a REALLY strong ST burst with vendetta
vocal kelp
yup
royal lantern
probably the highest st burst out of all melee specs right now
idk if a ranged class has higher
frigid sleet
mage are quite high
royal lantern
yeha, right
sudden trench
Agreed
vocal kelp
seen some mages aswell do shit ton of burst but they dip real quick
royal lantern
always forget mages, cus everyone rolled lock or druid :c
frigid sleet
but once you get font, they cant touch you anymore
marble elm
fire definitely higher with bracers
midnight flower
Don’t die kill bosses is the best dps
inner wedge
Is this really unconditional best opener? M R M G Ve TB Va for Master Ass and Tox Blade?
What if first M doesn't crit
inner wedge
12
lone junco
sounds fine to me.
looks like it would end up right here.
after the MA and TB rounds are wrapping.
crystal vault
is it normal that life force only sim 290dps more? heard for most specs it was like a 1.2k + upgrade
meager nebula
for sin bote and lucid are close to life force in terms of output
not every spec has as many viable majors as sin does
inner wedge
I macro vanish and envenom, any arguments against that?
lone junco
I would probably have that be a shift mod.
doubt you would always want to env with your vanish.
inner wedge
My logic, with MasterAss in mind, you wanna push 2 Envenoms
And if you do Va M E M you might have only 2 cps here
cerulean walrus
You don’t need to macro vanish and envenom. Just have them on separate keybinds
midnight ledge
can anyone tell comand to pre cast azshara font on raidbot
lost horizon
it's in the nightly default
midnight ledge
ah ty
lost horizon
but for reference it's bfa.font_of_power_precombat_channel=4
where 4 is the # of seconds for prechannel
glacial grotto
I dont have it yet but I assume the channel breaks stealth?
rough agate
you can get parried in the front still
inner wedge
well, i guess front or back is not under your control most of the time
inner wedge
Bosses, 1 - 50%/50%, 2 - face, 3- face, 4-back, 5 face
6 almost no control, 7 back and 8 usually no control
don't see 90% here
frozen karma
5-6-8 can easily be attacked from behind
hollow stone
it's only 2 and 3 that "require" you to be in front
frozen karma
If your tank doesn't turn around 5 idk wtf he is doing
hollow stone
If you do split strat itll be 50% during boss but 0% during adds unless you suck
rigid mango
the "front" is super small on radiance tho
hollow stone
But either way, i dont specifically mean this raid lol. Point is, be on the mobs back
rigid mango
aslong as you don't stand ontop of tanks
hollow stone
Good lord
main blaze
Font of Azshara channel doesnt break stealth
rigid mango
it does if you have MA
cerulean walrus
Yes it does 
cerulean walrus
^
inner wedge
yeah, sure 5th back, still no control:) 6 most of the time you can hit back unless mechanics, 8 tricky
hollow stone
Whatevers brah
inner wedge
My point was that most of the time you're dictated by the fight or strat which side you hit
frozen karma
Ofc mechanics will hinder your ability to be in the back sometimes, that doesn't mean you can't most of the fight
Sometimes they'll even stop you from hitting the front
rigid mango
You nearly always can stand behind, on literally all but behemoth
frozen karma
You need to know that the "back" also includes sides
inner wedge
how many degrees is back, is it more than 180?
wooden fog
Can we use razor coral crit proc on 2nd vendetta combo (2 min) after opener? Or do we wait until end
rigid mango
Every vendetta
wooden fog
Sweet, that would make more sense, thanks
stable plinth
Anyone done Mythic Court?
arctic walrus
Yeah what's up
stable plinth
Did you run SS?
stable plinth
Too much time running inbetween?
arctic walrus
Very minimal gain for a lot more hassle
frozen karma
@inner wedge don't know the exact number but I'm fairly sure its more like 270
inner wedge
Do you use knife on court?
stable plinth
Barely
You mean poisoned knife right
Most people have less than 8 casts
And by most I mean almost all
inner wedge
Fish is easy, but still, how do you open on the puffer fish? MEMME?
@stable plinth gotcha
vapid scarab
MA or sub?
inner wedge
MA
vapid scarab
just kill the fish and then open on the boss
inner wedge
You can through a knife at the 2nd puffer:) huge boost
atomic saddle
hey can anyone tell me why there is a "!" beside the glow effect in my weakaura condition and it does not work? It works with desaturate tho...
vocal kelp
there's different options for glow, u need to make it visible
think it is called Visibility or something like that
atomic saddle
ah thx mate
sand otter
anyone here use the G600 or other similar mouse, if so any advice for a new user
inner wedge
I used it for a bit, could bind only 4 actions , same action on multiple buttons
fallow peak
Can you please verify I’ve understood ashvane use: pop with vendetta on pull. Hold until 2nd vendetta. Activate as soon as it’s off cd. Reactivate with 3rd vendetta etc
vapid scarab
yes
fallow peak
Can you explain how to use it in mythic plus... sims very well for me
atomic saddle
Do you guys get notable better results when pooling for TB?
fallow peak
And does the razor coral/damage proc keep applying stacks until you reactivate or is it for a time span ie 10 seconds?
cerulean walrus
It will continue to add stacks until you use it again
Then it will not add stacks until you reapply it
fallow peak
Thank you
If using inkpod also you aim for high stacks and pop right before 30% boss health?
thorn trout
Guys should I use focusing iris or blood of the enemy for general pve / mythic dungeons etc ?
chilly marsh
what are the odds of both method not having raid essence lvl 3
both using blood 3
neon sedge
(For ST with MA and BotE use Blood into Vanish+Finisher after TB within Vendetta) Do we use Bote on CD after this, or use with vanish again?
vanish will have a 30 sec cd
to pair them up again
chilly marsh
they used it instead of raid 3 for all bosses i think
tiny finch
Guys this is the pin about Cyclotronic usage by ass rogues:
// assassination:
outside of lucid, tb and vendetta when you are under 80 energy and rupture lasts at least 4 secs //
What would our opener look like?
without Shrouded suffocation
precast on 3 before the fight starts?
sacred hollow
It may have been asked already, but any idea if it's a good idea to use both Coral and Azshara's since they're both on use and cause a 20sec cd for the other on use. Better to toss an equip effect trinket in instead?
desert vault
So Razor Coral in M+ is pretty much use on CD?
cerulean walrus
@civic palm someone needs your Font Coral thing
sacred hollow
Sims want me to use both, but not sure its handling that right
civic palm
@cerulean walrus Too bad! 
cerulean walrus
cobalt pelican
i'll prolly end up doing it voluntarily but still complain about it the entire time
gotta make them know i'm helping them begrudgingly
chrome crow
What's the best way to use coral? lol just use it on cooldown or let it stack adn use during vendetta?
or some other obscure way?
shy dust
Check pins
chrome crow
ty
thorn fjord
is there a way to avoid getting taken out of stealth on orgoza pull?
seems like every pull no matter what im taken out of stealth
ripe portal
☹
arctic walrus
Azshara prog now 
sand otter
guide says have at least one nothing personal but the sim says triple double dose
arctic walrus
Guide is an outline, sims are personalized, follow the sims
fallow otter
vapid scarab
the one that i made that does specifically what I wanted it to do
cobalt gyro
Just use same trinket wa that i usually use
bleak spoke
Oh shit you guys killed zaqul
Do you think blizzard noticed that it’s less haste than a galecallers at full execute
@arctic walrus
faint harness
civic palm
Seems fine, considering the risk and there lack thereof.
arctic walrus
Foolish of me to think I'd get helm
civic palm
,<
glossy rapids
damn
how do yall handle not pulling trash with fan of knives
trying to farm m+
shit goes through walls and evrything
also what single target dps should i have for heroics?
cobalt pelican
fok doesn't normally go through walls unless the wall isn't a wall
glossy rapids
it was at tol dagor
cobalt pelican
if you mean heroic raids probably like 30k or something would put oyu in the middle/top of a pug
for heroic dungeons like
anything really
nobody will really mind
glossy rapids
sustained? kk
strange python
any good use out of leeching poison?
cobalt pelican
not really this tier, i think some people played it on jaina last tier since it was such consistent predictable damage
it's p good for world content i guess
cobalt pelican
ya
vital haven
YA WHAT!?!??!?!?!?!
rigid mango
You use it with vend unless you'll miss a cast from it @vital haven , then you use it on cd
Look at kill timers to understand what to do
vital haven
ok thanks
cobalt pelican
ya
celest void
im simming higher with subterfuge with pretty much any combination of essence/gear i have atm, is this normal? all the top rogues on warcraft logs are running MA
vapid scarab
if you have one SS trait it happens
I have the same situation, not a big deal
just try getting rid of the SS and MA will probably sim higher
celest void
hmm, must be because my only other trait on the ring with SS is filthy transfusion
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bleak spoke
There are some guys in here with the dd filthy piece yeah
I think dad and omr
Lmao
vapid scarab
I have it to
bleak spoke
At least it has double dose man
vapid scarab
3x DD for m+ yay 😃
bleak spoke
I rolled the shoulders with np sob lmao
Actually scrapped without picking a trait cuz it’s paradise lost and snake on the other ring and perforate scent blood rite on the inner ring
I don’t think I could come up with a worse piece of azerite if I tried
ionic dome
When you get a TF Loaded Dice and can finally get rid of the Cannonball Trink.
Talk about a major upgrade
verbal rapids
What do you guys think of Sin rogue currently
civic palm
It works.
rigid mango
Stupidly strong.
verbal rapids
It works or strong haha nice
civic palm
It works.
rigid mango
It's top tier for all form of content.
unkempt belfry
solid burst windows, great survivability, still strong in m+. Sin has been pretty solid for most of the xpac.
rigid mango
Nope, I'd say best/top of the melee charts bar the ones that bring some sort of raidwide buff
short pivot
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aqekSJ168DCYofjcJn79Qn Why so low 😢 help
rigid mango
Issue with BoD was it was a rather ranged favoured raid
civic palm
I dunno about M+ that train might be leaving the station but that's still to be seeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeen.
rigid mango
@short pivot shit trinkets, lacking 3 benthic pieces, lackluster azerite, slacking on essences
verbal rapids
Ive only ever seen outlaw in m+
civic palm
SIN was more than fine in Season 2 but I dunnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
rigid mango
You've not seen a lot then.
verbal rapids
I havnt tbh. Rogues are pretty rare
short pivot
The slack is real thats true but is benth 425+socket better than higher ilvl stuff?
midnight flower
420 is
verbal rapids
Baiting what lmao. I can only comment on my experience
civic palm
"ez"
rigid mango
like, you do realise nearly every key NEEDED a rogue and more or less still does?
verbal rapids
Yea
midnight flower
A lot less vs the bracers/gloves/boots
civic palm
Nah just blow things up harder, skipping shit is for invisible people.
rigid mango
Sooooooo how are rogues rare.
rigid mango
rigid mango
I'm obviously a rogue, but even on alts I don't think I've run a single key that's been decent without a rogue
For fucking aaages
verbal rapids
I mean i dont push high keys. 10-14 mainly. So never bothered me not having one
short pivot
Was smooth as hell
rigid mango
Yeah so if you're not pushing anything high, what's good shouldn't matter
rogues are good for anything in this game, sin especially
verbal rapids
I know, i was just asking is all because im lvling one. Was just wondering
autumn night
so is like Twist the Knife the go to trait now?
rigid mango
Nope
If you see people using it, it's because the raid gear has a crap ton of it
which means they might not be ideal pieces, but they are the best currently
vapid scarab
is there a way to stay in during barrage on sivara without fucking your raid
grave ibex
Hey so for Sin in M+ I'm assuming having a SS trait and Sub talent is better than 3 DD and master assassin. I know that's looking good in raid but for M+?
rigid mango
Any mix of eb/ss/ttk
and yes, sub, always
you need one SS and Eb minimum, rest are filled out
grave ibex
aight tyvm!
severe bough
🤔
muted maple
??
signal summit
what u mean by ??
shy grove
rigid mango
Your 2nd trink isn't fanstastic, sim wise
quasi pewter
0 loyal selected in sims
rigid mango
I'm not sure how most people are so shocked with their sim results
quasi pewter
signal summit
im usualkly noit
but i thought i was gonna be over 40k atleast with the raid essences
rigid mango
You're not even wearing the raid essence though
severe bough
Are different matters
rigid mango
nvm you are
drifting cloud
is weekly version up to date?
rigid mango
It's not that insane
quasi pewter
go troll for 100 dps more 
drifting cloud
with the precombat font
rigid mango
it's from monday
drifting cloud
wasnt that a big gain
severe bough
^
drifting cloud
it sims more dude
rigid mango
You can have it ryler
drifting cloud
fuck that chest
rigid mango
nty
arctic walrus
That guy is 439 but sims 40k wow
severe bough
Pepega
rigid mango
Probably has fuckall sockets
severe bough
I jusr want a coral man
rigid mango
0 benthic too
quasi pewter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jUv5sYsoYbnfdLkExwS7F6 150 is big should i
rigid mango
u chill buddy
drifting cloud
no fuck that
severe bough
Im at bed
arctic walrus
Saryero let me see your gear
severe bough
Dont make me turn on the pc and resim 
arctic walrus
Guess it's the dagger, rings, and azerite
rigid mango
450 dagger doing fucking WORK
muted maple
very nice weapons.
arctic walrus
quasi pewter
tbh
muted maple
are those engineering goggles really hot? my rogues an engineer but i havent bothered crafting them
quasi pewter
theyre really good actually
muted maple
interesting, think thatll be my next project now that my essences are r3
i have the helm from sivara .-.
arctic walrus
i was really hoping for zaqul helm today but no 
severe bough
Rly @quasi pewter
arctic walrus
Are you close to killing it @quasi pewter
quasi pewter
3% wipe today
drifting cloud
the mecha rings seem pretty good tho
quasi pewter
well
quasi pewter
yesterday i guess its 8 am here now
severe bough
Id have to drop a bit of gold but a lot of time
quasi pewter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3WLd4oA1THnpetUyRYDQTC zaqul helm is not even better with np
wat
only with loyal
so i guess its 2nd bis helm actually
severe bough
Loyal sims pretty nice
muted maple
its probably easier to level engineering with how the professions are fragmented across expansions.
severe bough
Granted 4 ppl
civic palm
Just make sure people die 3head.
quasi pewter
engi is really cheap aswell since you only need to craft once
severe bough
@muted maple my issue is the crafting table
drifting cloud
it doesnt sim with anyone dieing afaik?
severe bough
How hard it is to get it
drifting cloud
yeah but you have to level engi, which isnt that cheap
quasi pewter
leveling engi shouldnt be that expensive
drifting cloud
compared to lw its expensive atleast
quasi pewter
well yea but lw reroll on pants also costs a decent amount if ur unlucky
drifting cloud
its probably closer to 100k, depends on ore prices on your realm
severe bough
Im on illidan
drifting cloud
you can dis the pants aswell
drifting cloud
its like 1-2k per roll on pants
quasi pewter
more on my realm 
drifting cloud
I got 100 leather back from the 425 ones
severe bough
I mean my goal is to remove alch herb soom
And get maybe eng lw
Id need to max my mage to get mining tho
Just in case
severe bough
Jc is giga expensive
I have 2 rings with socket
One is amazing and the otjer is also great but 400 ilvl
quasi pewter
shadow in my guild rerolled 18 times i think for haste crit ring
spent like 1,5m or something
quasi pewter
lw is better for me anyway as i have decent rings
quasi pewter
ofc he did
severe bough
Well i guess that will be my task next week
arctic walrus
Engi helm not good for me for some reason
quasi pewter
weird
drifting cloud
what the fuck are the prices of your gems
even at 2k each it would be less than 100k reroll
quasi pewter
what are they called
drifting cloud
sage agate, azsharine
quasi pewter
and i think they were higher when he crafted even
quasi pewter
no you need gorak tuls
drifting cloud
you get behe chest and get gorak tuls
quasi pewter
severe bough
I mean im gonna go hard for cepha first
nimble tartan
any other feelycrafters like myself in chat
quasi pewter
i already have spymaster and blighted tribe i dont think im gonna go for another chest
drifting cloud
its not really worth to go hard to cepha
quasi pewter
1 raid 1 m+
but gotta restore blighted wednesday
i actually thought about going for some hc pieces for m+
severe bough
Hmm
drifting cloud
but atlest chests you have other options that are okay
brazen beacon
Should I hold TB for Vendetta or just use it on CD?
quasi pewter
430 goraks is actually 2nd bis ingame after 445 goraks
patent topaz
How puggable is the raid on HC? My guild is ded and I'd like to clear heroic before classic comes out
severe bough
Pretty puggable if the pugs are good players
Last 2 bosses are a bit of a struggle
But yeah doable
keen ocean
Theres a point, second vendetta
Where toxic blade is about 10 seconds or so behind vendetta
do you hold on to toxic blade for that vendetta cast?
patent topaz
I personally hold vanish and vendetta for next tb cd
keen ocean
Yeah?
patent topaz
should not matter on most fights
keen ocean
Got it
patent topaz
unless it makes you miss a round of cds
glacial mist
for higher m+ keys, would you say master poisoner is better or elaborate planning?
quasi pewter
ep is always better
keen ocean
MA only provides 50% crit to your abilities
Not a static 50% to all sources?
Asking cause it doesn't seem to affect Cyclotronic blast in any way
drifting cloud
correct
keen ocean
Also
patent topaz
potw seems to affect blast damage maybe im just imagining things
keen ocean
Outside of vendetta TB casts
is it better to say
ENV for your EP
TB
MUT
Into a ENV
or should you pool your combo points so when you TB you go straight into an ENV
patent topaz
I make sure that I have bleeds up for the duration of TB and then just pool as much energy irregardless of how much cp I have
keen ocean
So having elaborate planning up for your first envenom doesn't matter too much?
patent topaz
DD damage is pretty fat during tb if you run x3
patent topaz
idk whether min maxing EP like is worth
patent topaz
Just making sure to get as much energy for tb with bleeds up is what I like the best
vapid scarab
@keen ocean your question is asking if you should play around a 10% damage increase, to lose a cast during a 30% damage increase, should be obvious
keen ocean
Well if I can go into a TB with EB and still get 3 ENV casts off within the buff durration of TB
Isn't that more damage?
vapid scarab
Then you would have had 4
keen ocean
The first one is before TB
EP* lol sorry.
I'm assuming the goal is to cast 3 ENV in a TB window
maybe I'm wrong
drifting cloud
you dont always get 3
vapid scarab
As many as you can, 2 at the least
keen ocean
I keep tying EB instead of EP. sorry.
drifting cloud
because muti cp rng
keen ocean
Right'
vapid scarab
If you env before tb to have ep up then you lost a cast of env in Tb, no other way to look at it
drifting cloud
just pool energy, use tb on cd
keen ocean
I suppose
drifting cloud
if you had combo points for an envenom, great, if you didnt its still fine
like he said casting stuff 2s before just means you go into tb with lower energy and/or cps
keen ocean
Right
I guess it's not something that can be accounted for
hypothetically you could find yourself 2 seconds before a TB cast with 4 combo points and 150 energy
But it's not something realistic to try to facilitate
because of combo point rng
and other factors
vapid scarab
That’s not playing around EP still, that’s just pooling before TB
drifting cloud
assuming youre not energy capping casting tb at 4 combo points is perfectly fine
even at 5 its not the worst thing
keen ocean
Sure
drifting cloud
the only time EP minmax mattered was in like EN
where we actually used env at 3 cps
proven lance
How much energy should I be pooling before actually using Envenom?
lost horizon
Outside of TB you can pretty much just use it to avoid capping
Mutilate during the envenom buff to maximize DD
proven lance
TB? Sorry super new to Assassin
lost horizon
Toxic blade
lost horizon
Optimizing around TB windows is usually the most impactful improvement you can make
Outside of basics like bleed uptime and not overcapping cp/energy
lost horizon
Trait dependent, with EB you wanna be spamming FoK
But you'll need enough bleeds out to sustain energy, or rupture snipe things as they die
sudden ocean
I found using a Scent of Blood while learning helped give me more motivation to maintain my ruptures
lost horizon
I probably wouldn't recommend that unless you don't have anything better
muted maple
wow that engineering helm adds almost 2k dps to my sim, assuming i get the 445 version.
against my 430 inexorable tide.
wise whale
Could someone check my log?
I feel like something is holding me back
I think I have bad itemization for my ilvl but i cant quit pin it on something i particular
rigid mango
Your gear is like, real bad
arctic walrus
You ran worldvein when it was only you and the tank
arctic walrus
Wrong pot
rigid mango
Barely overcapped cp, you have some fucked up tb windows here and there
Your gear is bad and you're forced into running ss + sub on a patchwerk fight
drifting cloud
he has a better my'das than you zine
rigid mango
Jeez that must fucking suck LOL
strange python
47,000 honor farm fastest way?
rigid mango
going to #wow-general
sudden ocean
One of the mechagon rings I have has a socket 
rigid mango
You do realise the value of sockets on rings ye?
drifting cloud
yeah zine but the mecha set is 160 haste
tropic ocean
and the value of the mechagon rings
drifting cloud
163 at 420 for me
wise whale
@rigid mango so should I aim on getting a better azerit armor setup so I can play MA?
I prefer MA anyway but Sub sims higher
sudden ocean
once you drop any SS you have it wont
rigid mango
Yes, it's preferable to get better gear
wise whale
how do we play the TB window anyway?
I feel like it does notm ake a big difference how to play it
cursive adder
any good or should i fish for frost dmg
rigid mango
What?
sudden ocean
gonna take 2 440s both socketed to beat out the 415s
rigid mango
I understand how rings and sockets work
wise whale
does my´das suck in general?
sudden ocean
yes
wise whale
yeah i thought so my 450 outsims my 400 highborn card by 150 dps
today i kill the queen and Sivara HC maybe i get lucky
a nice dagger and trinket should help
@arctic walrus how does the sim treat worldvein? how many users does it asume?
assume
solid nova
5 by default
wise whale
ah thx
can i check how many worldvein users are in a log without clicking on every player?
arctic walrus
Buffs > lifeblood
bleak spoke
I hope essences see some balance changes so our second minor isn’t worldvein lmao
balmy cradle
i wish unbound force minor would actually be good
bleak spoke
I wish unbound force wasn’t nerfed to the ground
I wish they kept in engine of ceaseless progress over ripple in space
That thing was little a loaded dice on crack
Literally
wise whale
lifeblood count is 48 so how many use it ?
bleak spoke
Check ppl with the buff
round harbor
You can see how many people are using it
bleak spoke
Can’t get it unless they have it in an essence slot
Man I wish ripple in space was good
I wanted to get yelled at for running around
frigid briar
I dont see me playing anything else apart from lucid and condense life at this point
void gazelle
Herodamage shows the raid essence is super strong, but in logs noone usees.
wise whale
lifeblood only works if you stand in range of the shards right?
frigid briar
During Mythic Ashvane we had to swap away from worldvien, movement was just to much
The only fight I believe its super reliable is ozozozozozgagagao and first boss
wise whale
man i really need life force 3
night vale
CLF is under represented in logs as most people only got the essence this week during raiding, so not a lot had time to swap out to use it mid raid
void gazelle
On mythic sivara top rankings/sin rogue, top essences lucid dream and blood of the enemy
rigid mango
What snimo said
frigid briar
Shorter fights will probably favour blood
frigid briar
Big burst good RNG then kill it before your DPS drops to much
ember rover
Also note that when using CLF you have to swap to full haste as the minor proc is affected by haste.
So if you have Crit gems / gear, and try and sim CLF vs BotE, your results might be skewed due to your crit gearing.
quasi pewter
not full haste but more yea
rigid mango
I'm gemming near full crit still
night vale
can confirm
frigid briar
Zine do you have 2+ OP?
frigid briar
Trinkets you got?
rigid mango
font + cyclo
Nothing that will affect haste, trust me I've checked it
I'm only at 18% and it's still valuing haste and crit pmuch same
ember rover
What essences?
ember rover
Swapping from BotE tanked to CLF tanked my crit and made haste a lot better.
It's also the same for my guildie.
formal willow
is it worth it to get the hard mode helmet and keep the pocket computer versus a 420 ashvane+ 440 phial
rigid mango
I came from lucid + iris
so my haste was really low
but it still didn't want me to sacrifice a lot of crit gems for hsate
just some ench and it was fine
night vale
i mean, i mean my haste has dropped a bit now, think im around 28% haste now https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ET9nxQXtdtnyfe2k3eGQB
rigid mango
I'm 10% lower than you are and it still wants crit more 😄
night vale
thirsty for that crit :p
rigid mango
I'd nearly 100% guarantee that if I get coral it'll swap over to more haste
but yeah
Can you send me your trinket ID
strange python
Hey, I'm new to Assassination - can anyone tell me why when I garrote someone from stealth, I don't change bars to the non-stealth bar for 2-3 hits
rigid mango
and shit of your coral
night vale
yeah 1 sec
rigid mango
@strange python subterfuge talent
it lets you cast spells as if you were still in stealth for 3 seconds
night vale
trinket2=ashvanes_razor_coral,id=169311,bonus_id=4799/1502/4786
@rigid mango
rigid mango
Let's see
strange python
@rigid mango okay thanks!
rigid mango
I assume cyclo values crit a bit
Since it can crit and all.
But I can't imagine it being an insane increase
night vale
yeah and you'd think coral would lower the cirt weight
night vale
ah right, interesting!
rigid mango
I'm not entirely shocked that coral devalues crit a bit
But yeah, I just gotta pray for coral I suppose
night vale
get praying!
I got lucky this week and snagged a coral and a 440 font + a 450 dagger
I was 416 ilvl before this reset 😂
rigid mango
yikes, that's a lot of luck
I need a new dagger and coral
Rest is down to farming benthics and sockets/ttf's
night vale
yeah for sure...
Im carrying on ashvane prog tonight, so nice to have all this new shiny gear... so i can wipe all night 😂
rigid mango
I was banking on killing asvhane this week for a chance and another coral
let down again
night vale
well i hope we get it down but im not holding my breath, only raid 2 days a week and this is the last raid of the week for me
ember rover
Killed Ashvane, but during Hero + 17stacked Coral + Pot + vendetta... I got bubbled
PepeHands
rigid mango
I'm not surprised, a bunch of trials and B team in here so
ancient onyx
im tilted tbh
rigid mango
I'm debating /gquitting
ancient onyx
im leaving for a week tonight so i really wanted to kill that bitch yesterday
rigid mango
but yeah, we're in #wow-general territory now
quasi pewter
@arctic walrus btw did you notice delirium add slam doesnt do anything?
formal willow
guys is it worth it to go for the mechagon hardmode helmet? how much dps value do you get from pairing it with the pocket computer?
ancient onyx
depends what u hvae rn i guess
formal willow
ok
open reef
hello - got 3 x wrists with sockets
1 with frost dmg
1 with dmg with slow 1%
1 with phisical aoe dmg
with one to lvl for EP mythic ?
*slow 15%
dusky tinsel
frost damage is the one you want
frigid briar
Frost damage ones are really strong
empty crescent
wide delta
is tricks of the trade bugged or why cant I tricks any tank anymore ?
half gust
What trinkets are you using
wide delta
the one with the cards and harlans
half gust
Which blue card do you have in it?
wide delta
"gain neural silencer..."
mighty elm
half gust
That's your problem
half gust
Yep, really annoying 😒
wide delta
is it a bug or intended?
rigid mango
Intended effect.
crystal vault
does the guardian scale with haste? (life force)
rigid mango
not afaik
crystal vault
damn, i thought rank3 would be a big upgrade 😦
flint jetty
sad rogue sat on ashvane
ember rover
The major component might not scale with haste, but the minor component of CLF certainly does scale with haste.
crystal vault
@hollow wraith sad, i heard from other speccs it was like 1k - 1.5k upgrade 😦
same
ember rover
The 3 min CD kills it for some fights.
On 5 mins fight you get to use BotE with vendetta 3 times, while you only get guardian + vendetta once and guardian solo once.
So that's preeeeeeety bad if you ask me.
mighty elm
But the sims 
placid dawn
the sim is for 5 min fights so...
so, if you know the fight is 5 min you could just hold on to the second cast for vendetta
Yeah, in the end, just play what is fun for you
mighty elm
royal lantern
thats why real man farm blood 4
night vale
I think half the problem is people so badly want blood to be BiS for raiding cause they put so much time into getting it.
Its a feelsbad that you faceroll your way to CLF rank 3 and it outsims it
😂 yeah i read it, not raging at all, just CLF rank 3 sims higher for me, even on 5 min fight like he was talking about.
winter moss
TryanToday at 12:42
thats why real man farm blood 4
dense blaze
That old thing
silver igloo
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tardy jay
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
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royal lantern
hows the name for the best raid pot again
quartz rune
Potion of Urbridled Fury
royal lantern
thx
quiet crescent
What's the best way to farm bote. Without shooting yourself in the face.
Does randoms net more per time than epics
quartz rune
Go merc and farm bgs
mighty elm
Do epic bg quests, then spam regular bg as opposite faction and use flag for 15% more
quartz rune
If u get ashran just do quest and quit xD
quiet crescent
I don think I can bg as opposite cause alliance lolol
royal lantern
alliance ALWAYS has that bonus
quartz rune
Well then u get the bonus anyway so
quiet crescent
Gotcha
mighty elm
Hrde
royal lantern
the brawl is afk honor farm
quiet crescent
Any idea how much per win? Cause alliance never wins regular randoms
marble hemlock
royal lantern
i win a pretty high amount of bg's, if you never win i found the common problem 🤔
quiet crescent
Awesome. Appreciate the help.
royal lantern
do all daily victorys>do the brawl for afk farming
quiet crescent
Yeah I dunno I did about 9k honor today. Won probably 30ish percent.
I'm a washed up pvper so the problem may be me
rigid mango
go to #wow-general
stiff mason
Does it worth to farm BotE if i have condensed life force rank 3?
A lot of top rogues on logs still using it
tropic ocean
rigid mango
I'm seeing a majority using CLF.
stiff mason
The sim is close, but depending on situation it can be good
rigid mango
Wdym
ancient onyx
if you're planning on killing Zaqul anytime soon u should probably grind bote
stiff mason
I guess siming for the correct fight time should be right away
night vale
Bear in mind, most people got CLF rank3 this week after their raid, so its under represented on logs because of that
hearty junco
I did some boost runs on azshara yesterday, and Life force came of CD everytime azshara died, so i did more dmg with blood
rigid mango
I tried simming a bunch of fight lenghts to try to favour blood for me
hearty junco
yeah but it was abit different with boosting, some boosters actually does dmg, and some dies the first 5 seconds
hearty junco
so it was hard to predict lenght of fight
hearty junco
haha
crisp steppe
summer marten
or is it?
safe bay
Guys do sims hold BotE casts for burst periods or use it on CD? I find I sim higher using memory and something, but actually do more using bote major, meomory minor
ember rover
Lucid is easy to fuck up and overcap energy. BotE is easier to use.
So while you might sim higher using Lucid, you might perform better with BotE since it's easier to play.
safe bay
Also, Sims back me up on Master Assassin on single target over Subterfuge right?
cobalt flint
Well, it’s also not all up to you, any mechanics etc. that start during that time devalues it, even if you don’t fuck anything up with your play
Unless you’re hurrdurring boss and ignoring mechanics
stable pine
@hollow wraith what’s font?
cobalt flint
Azshra trinket
stable oxide
CLF sims around 200-300 dps higher than BotE, does this sound correct? Do other sim the same?
safe bay
CLF rank 3 is BiS from my understanding
ember rover
I would say that it depends on fight, whether you can fit enough CLF majors in, and also whether the fight is pure single target vs some sort of cleave.
BotE is better on 3 targets, in theory.
stable oxide
But I assume you won't wait for Briny bubbles to do BotE right? :P
ember rover
Oh certainly, you won't wait for it on Assvane.
Assvane is one of the clear fights where CLF is better than BotE.
Since you can use it twice during vendetta.
stable oxide
Hmmm
modest linden
What potion are we using now? Focused Resolve seems like a winner for ST, but I've heard good things about Fury
modest linden
Okay, ty
wispy apex
How have people done on Ashvane progress as assa rogue? We’ve been told to hold all our cds for when the shield breaks, including clf. But most logs ive seen, rogues just pop their cds at start
ember rover
On my guild, I found that popping it at start causes it to be back up for 2nd shield.
Which is where my dmg is needed.
So I just pop it on pull then at 2 minutes again.
The persons that are supposed to hold their cds, are people with 3 min CDs.
Usually those are popped at 40-50s in.
wispy apex
Yes we struggle so much on the second shield
ember rover
Well if you pop your vendetta on pull, you have it precisely for 2nd shield.
fickle torrent
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faint harness
I dont think assa rogues should hold cds
frigid briar
You dont need to hold cds for ashvane anymore. If everyone does 38-42k boss dies easily
faint harness
We had fire mage (with firestarter) hold combustion, DHs hold meta, boomkins hold their cd
frigid briar
Potion of unbridle fury during shield down was enough for us to push 30% after 2nd shield
cobalt pelican
eheheh
lone mirage
Hello, an idea how sims can give me subterfuge , even with 3 DD traits ?
cobalt pelican
you have 6 main traits, if any of them are ss it will and in rare cases even if not it will cause subterfuge phooons
lone mirage
Yes i have one ss
cobalt pelican
ss is literally a 0trait if you don't have subterfuge
since you won't vanish for another garrote
frigid briar
This was our kill, if you compare the damage difference to your raid. We killed it just
night vale
@frigid briar before or after people got CLF rank 3 mate?
frigid briar
After
night vale
ah okay, good to know, hoping to kill her tonight
frigid briar
What push said is right. Your teams losing around 30k from your healers alone nameless
Your disc priest is 6k average, should ve around 15k
night vale
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8ByzJZ6Y7jtDH2wQ#type=damage-done&fight=15&cutoff=3
thats one of the better attempts before it went wrong
faint harness
killable with that dps i think
night vale
i think so too
frigid briar
Id seriously doubt it tbh, would need perfect execution, minimal movements, and proper cd placement
faint harness
we always had the dps, just the wrong strat for quite some time. Moved around the ranged, gave them better positioning and had the boss move less + made some specs hardswap brinys
rigid mango
That's more than fine dps for ashvane
You have some shitters but you've got enough good dps to do it
frigid briar
Infact if your healers did dps probably
rigid mango
Looking at the dps, it's not a dps issue
ember rover
Who does what cds when.
rigid mango
It's more likely tac issue
ember rover
^
frigid briar
What % is boss when 3rd shield goes up?
ember rover
It should be under 35% if you want to kill it, ideally.
frigid briar
24% is really good
faint harness
well you dont need lust for last phase
rigid mango
Are you not running 3 tanks?
frigid briar
Aww yeah burning that 3rd shield gonna be a big issue then
night vale
whatever that is as %
frigid briar
Are yous dying to 3rd wave of orbs on third shield?
cobalt pelican
more or less yeah