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cold rampart
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when do we use CLF with subterfuge ?

vapid scarab
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the exact same as with MA

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after your stealth window before vendetta

ornate meteor
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k got it thanks man

dull elm
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Has anyone had issues using Tricks lately? I've been trying to use it in Eternal Palace, and every target I've tried to use it on claims to be an "Invalid target"

woeful minnow
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that's because people keep equiping the neuralizer blue punchcard

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on their mechagon trinket

dull elm
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oh those fucking assholes.

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thanks

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Okay, actually my tank doesn't have the trinket equipped at all

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so I should be able to target him just fine

woeful minnow
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mounted?

dull elm
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NOpe

cold rampart
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@vapid scarab is there a reason for that?

dull elm
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Okay, it's because i have the trinket equipped

woeful minnow
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lmao

dull elm
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that's fucking stupid that it prevents me from using tricks.

vapid scarab
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@cold rampart what do you mean

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because you don't want to waste a GCD in vendetta or TB and you don't want to waste a second of your 3s stealth window

cold rampart
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GCD ?

rigid mango
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Global cooldown?

scarlet sequoia
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are sims using coral and font correctly together?

subtle tundra
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is bote rank 3 good in m+?

vestal wren
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depends on what you mean with correctly

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if you mean the slight adjustment i mentioned in #tc-research i think those are not pushed to default apl

scarlet sequoia
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i just simmed it and it used coral asap after font in opener and then not again untill 30 stacks or so

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i mean if its correct then cool

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was just wondering

vestal wren
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but its very minor in impact

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font is used pre pull

scarlet sequoia
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yea

vestal wren
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ye, it can come down to not using it till later in the fight without the slight adjustment

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its super easy to change, just edit the
debuff.vendetta.remains>10 to debuff.vendetta.remains>8 in the coral condition

scarlet sequoia
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ah cool thanks, ill check it

strange python
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So is lucid r2 better then bote r1

vapid scarab
honest needle
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do i really need blood and enemy for raiding or can i get away just as good with soemthing else

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i really dont wanna grind pvp

stable yarrow
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CLF is better at r3

cold rampart
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guys

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when i soak ashvane mythic small bubbles

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do i get the debuff?

marble elm
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Yes

ionic wigeon
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Hey guys I have another question.
What is the correct prio list/rota in my second vendetta during the fight?
Dots -> Vendetta -> Vanish -> TB -> Mut to 4+ CP -> Eve?

sterile ledge
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hi guys?

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is there any cap for versatility?

vestal wren
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no

untold current
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3 benthic pieces at 420, which do I upgrade now? Boots or wrists I'm assuming ya?

signal summit
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Not boots

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Wrist or belt

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Since boots are flat %, while the DMg gets bigger from wrist belt etc

untold current
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Gotya

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Which ones are abberations again?

indigo totem
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Zaqul and orgazoa

fierce sinew
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what are your guys thoughts on stacking 3 double dose and 3 enchoing blades for heroic raiding to help maximize single target and my aoe damage. without blades my aoe feels like shit

subtle tundra
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unless you need aoe for prog, don't bother honestly

untold current
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What boss do u really need aoe on though

subtle tundra
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orgozoa has aoe but its not that much and the adds die fast

untold current
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Last phase zaq maybe

subtle tundra
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but still burning boss is better

vapid scarab
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if you need aoe in a raid you play outlaw

subtle tundra
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and if you want for parse, unless your raid is trying to parse its really hard to hit the 99s

vapid scarab
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simple as that

fierce sinew
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yeah my RL has been up everyones ass about parses and it's hard to keep up with teh aoe on fights like radiance

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I'll be top 2-3 damage on single target on raid boss but low on the charts because other classes aoe is better

vapid scarab
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EB is not going to get you a parse on radiance

untold current
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Out law would be the way to go on radiance I think if thats what u want to do. Or you could link top dmg to boss over the padders to your RL if u stay sin

fierce sinew
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been using echoing blades for m+ to great effect I just was wondering if it was worth for raids

wraith lance
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i asked about benthic gear before. but which waist and boots are go to? s:

distant lava
wraith lance
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ty 😒

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oh, wrong emoji

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😃

distant lava
lament oak
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Anyone know what's better between Absob-o-tron and self-cauterizer?

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for raid

hollow moth
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absorb

strange python
distant lava
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not that good azerites

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trinkets

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essences

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no benthics

strange python
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i dont get in Raid got pieces

arctic walrus
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Bit better build for you

strange python
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the raid ones are bad expect of one?

distant lava
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they are ok

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but not that good

strange python
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why are my bad then? 😄

arctic walrus
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nvm use that instead

distant lava
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didn't say bad but they aren't that good

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most of your gear is ok at best

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there's like nothing insane

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that's why your sim isn't that high

strange python
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i need some good trinkets

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atleast?

distant lava
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I mean your azerites are ok

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but they are 430

arctic walrus
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Barely any sockets, 0 benthic, bad trinkets

distant lava
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like the people simming over 40k have good 445 azerites

strange python
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i can get 445 cuz my guild didnt kill the first boss

distant lava
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if you want to compare gear

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oh yeah I'm not flaming it's just

strange python
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thank u 😄

distant lava
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with the gear you have , you can't really expect ot sim that high yet

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it's a grind anyways, keep going and you'll get results ^^

strange python
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im rerolling also so 😄

distant lava
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yeah your essences definetly don't help

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cause they don't want to help us with alts

strange python
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should i get the crit one from pvp?

arctic walrus
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Can't decide which to upgrade

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leaning towards boots

lean coral
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gimme yo trinkets

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i agree on boots

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i got them all to 420

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slowly getting them to 425 now

scarlet sequoia
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makes no sense to upgrade boots first

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the other effects scale with item level

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surely boots dont

lean coral
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hit boots are still 410

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reason i say boots

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others are 420

scarlet sequoia
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oh yikes

covert frigate
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whats the rotation for assassin?

lean coral
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depends on build

covert frigate
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idk y but right now im shitting the bed with dps. I have 425 ilvl and im doing 10k

shy dust
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Check the pins

fierce saffron
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are you putting your poisons on

shy dust
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And look at the guide

arctic walrus
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Mecha rings finally sim better pogu

subtle tundra
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wondering how people sim 4-5k more than me oh yea they sim with condensed life force r3 and really good trinkets...

scarlet sequoia
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hell yeah

subtle tundra
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i have motherlode trinket and plumage

scarlet sequoia
subtle tundra
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one 425 and one 400

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:/

lean coral
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no mechagon trinket?

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that shits free

subtle tundra
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barely sims any better and its just a pain in the ass for 50 dps

scarlet sequoia
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what

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u okay mate

subtle tundra
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one more button = bleh

scarlet sequoia
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o lordy

lean coral
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theres no way its barely simming better than a 425 and 400

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i compared that shit with all 430 dungeon trinkets

scarlet sequoia
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punchcard trinket is insanely good

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u wont replace it unless u get coral and font

lean coral
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^^

scarlet sequoia
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or something else really good

lean coral
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like that shit replaced my lurkers

subtle tundra
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ok so when do i use it then?

lean coral
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after TB runs out in opener and you're low on energy

subtle tundra
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does it scale with vendetta?

lean coral
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yer

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i get like 80k ticks on ashvane with bubble down

subtle tundra
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and if i have bl i delay it?

lean coral
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nah

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it just goes off faster

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benefits from haste

subtle tundra
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but i get energy capped 😦 i hate that

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thats why i have lucid

scarlet sequoia
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does not benefit from vendetta no

lean coral
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you sure?

scarlet sequoia
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its spammed in here quite regularly

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u wanna use it like ~5 sec before 2nd toxic blade, around the time vendetta runs out and youre out of energy pooling etc

lean coral
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then save if you got lust i guess

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but that shit casts instantly with lust anyways

scarlet sequoia
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it scales with haste

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so just use it like i said even with lust

shell lodge
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is there is anythink worth farming on Operation Mechagon ?

haughty badge
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A lot of places say to used focused resolve for my pot, but unbridled fury seems like the best overall imo since sin can proc effects more often than other classes

lone junco
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oh man. that guy has more dps than me, but I dont want to click a high dps trinket cause it feels weird. So ill just not.

fringe epoch
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varas its free damage, you just use it after TB window when you would be low energy/pooling anyway

smoky topaz
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question what is the best rota if you play with azsharas font of power and ashvanes razor coral ?;)

haughty badge
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i channel font before pull, then throw up coral when its off that shared on-use cd, and dont use it's consumption use until after vendetta is back up. I find times to channel font during energy famine

marble elm
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u dont clf to sim high

bleak spoke
arctic walrus
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Doesn't want me full haste anymore logs

bleak spoke
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i rolled socketed poens from an algan drop or a wq drop or something today, can't wait till i get the pearls to finish it off ;-;

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still no bracers tho lmao

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@arctic walrus do you like the mechagon ring set?

arctic walrus
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It just started simming better

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gonna go and see on dummy

balmy condor
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when are you guys using cyclo single target?

arctic walrus
balmy condor
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oh in those pins

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I see

woven summit
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Are Worldvein inteligence reports 100% drop?

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Nvm I already had it lol

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Now Im on Finding the Key mission

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Didnt know it was related

mint prairie
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Hey guys, I'm wondering if I'm the only one getting out of stealth with Azshara's hand?

bleak spoke
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it breaks stealth if you're master assassin but not if you're subterfuge

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kinda troll

mint prairie
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Thank you

cobalt pelican
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azsharas hand like.. the gloves?

arctic walrus
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@bleak spoke It basically looks like another benthic proc

strange python
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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT
past marten
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Did I miss some changes in Simcraft? Raidbot tells me that Crit is my best stat.. This morning, Haste was the best stat and I didn't change a single item

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And I am talking like a > 0.4 jump in value

tropic ocean
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changed essences by mistake?

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ir gear

cobalt pelican
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fetch both of the sims from your history and post them

dapper wraith
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for the punch card, is it cyclotronic blast that makes it so good?

red plaza
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Yup

dapper wraith
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and just whatever high yellow you can for your top stats?

red plaza
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Yeah. Just make sure you don't put the honored mechagon blue card in though. Itll make it so you can't use tricks, and the only way to remove it is to get another blue card drop from somewhere else.

bleak spoke
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@arctic walrus oh that makes sense actually

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Is there an icd on the proc

muted maple
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anybody have an action bar they could recommend to me? something that just displays my major cooldowns+essence/on use trinket

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looked at the popular one's on wago and none of them seemed to include the essence cd

dapper wraith
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can the yellow punch card that you craft at the junkyard titanforge?

arctic walrus
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@bleak spoke 15 seconds after the dmg procs

bleak spoke
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Oh is it only once every 15 seconds? Man that’s lame

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They could have tuned it higher numerically hit for hit

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Does it stack inkpod more

summer marten
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@dapper wraith yes, i got 440ilvl one

silver nexus
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just got ashvane's and ready to use it on next fight, any quick tips on usage?

muted maple
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some stuff in the pins

gilded fossil
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raid bots telling me to gem haste? follow sims or?

royal lantern
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yes

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wath else? a sim is telling you the best stuff for YOUR gear right now

cobalt pelican
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tell the sim you respect it's decision but are going your own route and then whip out a napkin to doodle numbers on

gilded fossil
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just odd had all crit/mastery gems and such then haste

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Fairy dont have to be a dick abou tit

royal lantern
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your stats changed the statweights for you/you eq a new essence combo etc.....

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and i was a dick about it....?

gilded fossil
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no Fairy

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thanks

dark crag
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Sim told me crit ench + 1 mastery rest haste gems

summer marten
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if you changed from lucid to raid one haste becomes crazy

weary arrow
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should I be macroing coral to an ability for M+?

civic meteor
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anyone having stealth break every three seconds in m+ but not outside the instance?

subtle tundra
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as far as i know the belt from azshara broke my stealth in m+

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not 100% sure

visual quartz
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Yeah running lucid sim values haste alot lower

severe bough
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I got a font of power 😃

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insta 600 dps increase

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and it was just a 415 font

spice frost
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Question about inkpod/coral interaction. I know optimal coral use is paired with vendetta, but would I be worthwhile to hold all charges until just before 30% for that mega crit chance on inkpod stacks?

vapid scarab
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from pull to 30% boss hp is probably way too long

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just use with vendetta and then line up if you can with inkpod

untold current
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When using font + coral, font puts coral on cd for 20 sec when i channel 6 sec before 2nd vendetta

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Is there a more optimal way to use this?

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like.. font -6 sec prepull, coral 20 sec later, then on 2nd vendetta coral is not available for about halfway through it

drifting cloud
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thats how it always is

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font buff > coral buff

dark crag
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Font buff is 30 sec, you can get the full 30 sec buff 10 sec before vendetta

untold current
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so font 10 sec pre-pull

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or even 10 sec to 2nd vend

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then coral halfway through 2nd vend?

drifting cloud
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yes

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but you dont font 10s prepull but 5s

untold current
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then 10 sec before 2nd ven?

dark crag
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Yeah just for 2nd vend

untold current
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ok

dark crag
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On pull you won't have enough coral stacks anyway

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And if bl is used, a longer font is better

fair nova
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
vital haven
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
slim solstice
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hi STdpsPot is fury or forcused resolve?
sim and guide say forcused best dps pot
but many logs use fury
im cofused

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and what potion for m+?:)

rigid mango
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Fury

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And for m+, you use emp prox

slim solstice
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ty zine

rancid bobcat
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if a target dies with coral stacks, do you get them automatically?

drifting cloud
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yeah

violet ledge
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quick question for you peeps out there, how do you use font/coral? i just got coral tonight and i havent really been able to tell how to use it b/c of font, (font/coral are simming better for me than cyclo/other)

rigid mango
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You font at 5 sec on pull timer, you coral as soon as you can after trinket cd

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Every vendetta after that you font, 10 sec later you vendetta and 10 sec into vend you consume coral

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Reapply when you can after that

violet ledge
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ok

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that post opener was my concern

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thanks!

severe bough
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peepostudy ty Zine

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now if only i can get a Coral

lyric finch
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I've been gone for the last couple weeks, and I see that all assass rogues have gone master assassin now for raiding? what changed?

vapid scarab
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uh

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that's been the case for a lot longer than a couple of weeks

lyric finch
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it seemed like when Eternal Palace was released logs showed everyone going subterfuge

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i just wasn't sure if there was a certain essence or something else I needed before going MA

vapid scarab
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you just sim your character and wear and use what it tells you to use

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if it tells you subterfuge will do more damage then you use subterfuge

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if it tells you MA will do more damage you use MA

lyric finch
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yeah, i just wasn't sure if anything changed. Will do

pastel vault
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anyone know boss armor value?

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in raid

muted maple
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wow pocket sized computation device beats out a 445 harlan's dice. how can this be lol

rancid bobcat
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it's big damage

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harlan's was good but never great. we just never had good raid trinkets

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until now

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granted i wonder what youre using as your second trinket if not the harlans

signal salmon
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Is there some rules to create FoK build on zaqul? I see diff. azerite combs in logs

vapid scarab
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play outlaw if you want to kill adds on zaquul

muted maple
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its a

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455 razzashi tooth trinket

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and harlan's is ,.3 better than it

rancid bobcat
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lmao what

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455 world quest trinket

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well alright

ionic dome
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Quick question for the pros, if someone wouldn't mind helping out:

So I literally only push keys and I noticed you can't really Sim for Keys. But should I be stacking EB since I'm just doing keys.?

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I have it on all three Pieces, but currently only use one since my sims tell me not to use it. But since it's all keys, would EB be better than DD and Scent.?

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I'm thinking keep the Scent for all the Agil, but dropping the DD for another EB

rich lily
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i dunno if i can call myself a pro but the most dmg you deal will be with garrote and bleedings.
I think the Role the assasin Roque is filling are not the AOE Cleave Member in M+ but the Bosskiller, so in my small opinion i would not waste my azerite traits for trying to fill some role other members could do easily

ionic dome
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Okay I see. Thanks for the input.

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I just don't know the value of that one DD trait, versus dropping it for the EB.

drifting cloud
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DD is a really bad trait in m+

ionic dome
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Is it.? Okay, that makes me feel better about swapping it out then

drifting cloud
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yeah its just a 0 dps trait for 80% of the dungeon

ionic dome
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I just sim SOOOO MUCH lower than where I see people simming at in here for my iLev

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BUt I know it's hard to sim for keys, so not too worried.

drifting cloud
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dungeon slice isnt very accurate for assa

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you just stack crit and mastery

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you want under 10% haste

ionic dome
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Low af for my iLev, but only doing keys. So ehh

drifting cloud
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this is a st sim 😛

ionic dome
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My boss DPS is fine during keys too. Just looking for more DMG overall.

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What would I sim to get kind of close for keys.?

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Is there an option for it.

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Sorry for all the questions. Swapped from maining a healer, so the sims are new to me

drifting cloud
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it would be dungeon slice, but its not that accurate for assa

meager nebula
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If you just want to look at aoe damage you can use patchwerk 6 targets 40 seconds

lost horizon
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Can also do patchwerk with X number of targets on low fight duration

ionic dome
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Nice. I'll do that now then

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Thanks alot

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I don't think that's correct

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that's hella DPS

lost horizon
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Keep in mind you'll want to adjust based on dungeon type as well

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Like KR/ToS you're probably not playing the same traits as freehold

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You've probably got hero enabled, seems right though

ionic dome
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Ohh okay.

lost horizon
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Large # of targets with low duration you'll see big numbers

sharp lily
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That's also with full raid buffs and lust

lost horizon
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And with everything off cooldown ready to go

ionic dome
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One more question. Should I go get that Mech Trinket.? The Punch card one. Currently using 430 Cannonball runner and 415 Electro Jar.

lost horizon
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Cyclo punch card is very good

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Both those trinkets you're using aren't great

muted maple
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wait

drifting cloud
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first thing you wanna do is get rid of all the haste you can

muted maple
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we want under 10% haste?

lost horizon
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Though keep in mind cyclo is ST only

drifting cloud
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you have way too much

upper island
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when did the stat weights get fucking insane

lost horizon
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@muted maple M+

ionic dome
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Wait what. Get rid of my haste.?

muted maple
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oh

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well i fucked up lmao

lost horizon
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M+ haste not great

drifting cloud
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yes haste is almost 0 dps stat for assa rogues on aoe

muted maple
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though i rarerly ever get mastery pieces anyway

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usually crit haste

ionic dome
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Crit/Mast then.?

lost horizon
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Vers isn't bad either

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Mastery is better for SS

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Crit/vers for EB

ionic dome
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Okay wow. I was aiming for all Crit/ Haste lol

lost horizon
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Though pull counts are much smaller now, so I'd probably put vers behind Crit/mast

ionic dome
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So say I have a Crit/Haste ring and a Crit/Mast ring, would I sim Dungeon Slice or Patchworkd x6(40sec)

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Or just assume the Crit/Mast ring will be better than the Crit/Haste one

drifting cloud
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its better

lost horizon
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Assuming comparable ilvl and no sockets involved

ionic dome
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Okay. Man I was messing up. All my gems and enchants are Haste lol

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Swapping to Crit now

lost horizon
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Yeah haste is only relevant for ST really

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You pretty much want just enough that you're not useless for bosses

ionic dome
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Okay nice.

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What's too low Haste for spamming keys then.? 5%?

drifting cloud
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as low as you can get it

ionic dome
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Okay. So every stat is okay except Haste then

drifting cloud
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because you can have overwhelming power from azerite you dont need any haste on gear

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but dont go equipping really lower item level stuff now just to get rid of it

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except on rings where 15-20 ilvl is nothing in total stats lost

ionic dome
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Okay. I have two Overwhelms as well.

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yeah I have two rings on right now that are 430 Crit/Hste but in bags have two 420 Crit/Mast

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So i'll slap those Crit/Mast now. And swapped gems to Crit and swapped to Deadly Nav

drifting cloud
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didnt you already have a deadly nav

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use deadly + the new enchant the name of it eludes me ..

ionic dome
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didn't even know there was a new Enchant.

drifting cloud
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force multiplier is the name

ionic dome
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After swapping all the stats to crit, I have 34% Crit, 9% Haste, 32% Mast, 6% Vers

drifting cloud
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👍

muted maple
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yowza

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34% crit, thats nice.

ionic dome
drifting cloud
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oh look it went up by 4k 😛

ionic dome
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Mannnn I fucking love you

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Now I need to go get that Punchcard trink and i'll be alot better off I hope

muted maple
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which one?

ionic dome
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The one from the Mecha zone

muted maple
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cyclotronic blast?

ionic dome
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IDK what it's called lol

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I just know everyone says to go get it and it comes from the Mecha zone quest chain

drifting cloud
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you need revered rep

ionic dome
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To get the trink.?

drifting cloud
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yeah

ionic dome
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EB does stack right.? DMG traits stack I heard. Just want to make sure

muted maple
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damage portions do, if they do something else then that part doesnt stack

vapid scarab
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What Stacks? Stat increases, Damage additions, Healing additions
What doesn't stack? Duration multipliers/additions, proc chance, number of targets, cdr effects, etc.

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if you want an easy way to tell what stacks, mouseover the +5ilvl trait in the armor. anything that highlights green stacks. anything that doesn't, does't

cunning urchin
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hmm

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deeper strat sims higher than vigor for me

ionic dome
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Man. Literally WAYYYY better overall DPS. Thanks so much @drifting cloud

balmy quest
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Quite a few people are getting higher sims with deeper strat when running with lucid major

formal willow
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which dungeon trinkets would you go for when farming m+? plumage seems best but its another use trinket

flint jetty
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
signal summit
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For zaq mythic, would u guys go assa or outlaw to be better on the adds ?

placid mulch
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Stay sin take focusing iris major for zaq

pseudo hamlet
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I need a a help with M+, I mean the AoE rotation(not sure if I'm doing it right):
-do I always try to open with as many garrotes as possible?(like 3 with subterfuge if I have 3 enemies, 2 if I have 2, up to 4 etc?)
-what's next? Do I use rupture on one target and then spam FoK and use rupture on other targets(up to 3?)? And after just FoK + Envenom(and try to maintain rupture on at least 3 targets)?

stone crescent
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Hey guys, just wanted to double check before raid tonight cause I just got rank 3. Was the opener with Blood of the Enemy Major = m r m g vend tb bote vanish env mut env?

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with m m r if less than 4 cp from first mut?

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and also, would it be okay to macro bote to my vanish since i always wanna use them together anyway?

barren pond
#

hi

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what pre potion is better on assa?

topaz trout
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that is the rotation Gg

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unbridled fury is the best simming pot for ST

stone crescent
#

thanks @topaz trout , would it be okay to make a macro like

#showtooltip
/cast Heart Essence
/cast Vanish

So the BotE happens before vanish but still on the same press and I still get all my globals in MA window?

topaz trout
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you'll have time without the macro, vanish + env is better but honestly I wouldnt macro anything to vanish

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unless of course thats your BOTE macro

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then it prob doesnt hurt

stone crescent
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yeah its BoTe

cold horizon
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
stone crescent
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Bote+vanish cause i always wanna sync

topaz trout
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i cant remember if auto attacks break the vanish and start the MA timer

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or rather if auto attacks happen during gcd windows

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but im sure bote+vanish is fine even though I dont do it

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yeah

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its why i dont macro anything with vanish

stone crescent
#

yeah i just tried it

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doesnt work

topaz trout
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with low latency and precision timing, you can actually get 4 globals in 1 MA window

stone crescent
#

i lose 1 global

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on my MA

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pepe hands

topaz trout
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van + env > mut > env > mut

stone crescent
#

but the rest of the opener rotation is fine?

topaz trout
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yep

oblique jackal
#

What azerite traits are we stacking for ST?

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is it still 3 DB, 2 NP, and 1 BI

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or is undaunting tides???

cosmic pier
#

what ever sims highest for your gear

topaz trout
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there are a lot of choices based on your current gear

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I do 3x NP 2x DD 1x TTK but if I had it my way with higher pieces, id do 3x NP 3x DD

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while trying to snag overwhelming powers as inner traits

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also UT sims high but performs less typically

sharp viper
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is NP empowered by mastery?

tribal shuttle
#

!WA

prisma monolithBOT
true thistle
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best m+ combo is x3 ss, x3 echoing blades??

tropic ocean
#

no

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theres no "best combination"

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eb ttk ss is good mix depending on affix/dungeon/group comp

crisp hollow
#

I swear by 1 SS/2 TTK/3EB personally

tropic ocean
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i use 2/2/2

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3 eb just overkill

strange python
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i use 3 ss allways in m+

tropic ocean
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I mean u have so much aoe and u dont really need ti

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like im not even using beam

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dunno if 3eb is worth it

crisp hollow
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damn

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probably gonna have to go more SS and less EB as pulls get smaller

tropic ocean
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atm I find 2/2/2 pretty solid and on kr/tos I go 3 ttk 2 ss 1 eb

ivory light
#

how to use Coral trinket properly?

topaz trout
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without considering other on use trinkets, you use it immediately to start stacking it and then line it up with your next vendetta

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or if target is going to die in less than 20 seconds

ivory light
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not the best trinket for m+s i guess? where mobs die quickly

topaz trout
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it has some use but not the best for short fights

ivory light
#

one more question:

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Blood of the Enemy is kinda overkill with this trinket?

topaz trout
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yes and no

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after your MA window, coral + bote is still very good

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but during MA, yeah not as useful

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not if you're at base 25% crit anyway

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if anything bote makes it sweeter on your second set of cooldowns

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if you only have the coral as your only on use and you're min maxing with bote and you have 25% base crit, then the best use for crit portion of coral is directly after MA ends

uneven topaz
#

!Essence

prisma monolithBOT
signal summit
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Does bote perform better ingame vs RLF compared to Sims ?

exotic rose
#

Azshara's Font of power remove us from stealth?

signal summit
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Only If u play ma not sub

exotic rose
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oh how comes

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that sounds like a bug

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so on pull we use about like 7 seconds before pull

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then stealth

signal summit
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6 id enough

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Is

exotic rose
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cannot be so close to boss though

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but yeah

topaz trout
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its fine, you're going to fulfill the only window that matters

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vendetta

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and still be stealthed for open

exotic rose
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yeah

glossy shoal
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Do we delay boTE to sync up with ven?

topaz trout
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more or less yes

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vendetta > tb > bote > vanish + env

glossy shoal
#

With 1.5m cd I mean as well, just hold until second ven?

topaz trout
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yes

glossy shoal
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Dope thanks dude

topaz trout
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Im saving every roll for font

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+1157, gross

signal summit
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Atleast u have benethic gear ..

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Im dying soon with this rng

pliant token
#

is their a clever first titan r. buy :D?

small island
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shit gear and essences

small radish
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No benthic gear either

south horizon
#

what is the correct usage of condensed life force? do we just pop it on CD?

void bear
#

is there any bis azerit gear?

empty crescent
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
pliant token
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benthic gear is bis with its effects 😮 ?

empty crescent
#

!waassa

wide hedge
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benthic gear is just too op

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got 5x 420+socket (also got cloak for the bonus socket) and the dps is just insane

pliant token
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oh ok thx, thought m+ would be best way to gear

void bear
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!sim eu/blackrock/shantyra

woeful minnow
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benthic gear

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the benthic boots at 400 would outsim what you have right now

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  • socket + actually upgrade it
wide hedge
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  • a better mainhand would be a great push
pastel canyon
#

Hello guyz just wondering since i know the Benthic Gloves sims doesnt take the healing part which makes them strongers than it seems. Does the 445 BOE socket gloves are better then ?

void bear
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yeah i ran last week and yesterday many times underot

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with my benthic boots

unkempt karma
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sim with all combinations, sockets / weapon enchants, benthic, all your traits and see how much you can push it.

void bear
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which are best traits ?

unkempt karma
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Depends on the talents and your stats

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Thats why, sim everything, and a lot to see which puts you above your current output. Doing a singular sim wont help you much.
Its a constant project if you would want to optimize yourself

void bear
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okay but isnt 3x double dose bis?

topaz trout
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not necessarily

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ilvl increases main stat and potency of traits so higher ilvl azerite pieces with decent traits will sim better

strange python
#

Quck question guys, would it be beneficial to equip both Razor Coral and Font of Power trinkets

low junco
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more sockets blizzard pls

strange python
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@ me please

topaz trout
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it probably is @strange python

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for me both are massive increases

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and if you equip both, it does change the way you use them

strange python
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I need to learn how to manage the 20 sec gap there

woeful minnow
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I find it extremely awkward to use both but yes it's worth it

low junco
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how do people get their pair of bracers

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ive used 600 pearls at this point

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biggest i got was indestructible

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have gotten several sockets, not bis bracers tho

woeful minnow
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benthic lottery pog

young portal
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@low junco if it makes you feel better I've opened 178 sets of boots, still no crit with socket

low junco
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blizzard i want to have fun

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please

woeful minnow
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that is a shitload of pearls

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how

young portal
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farming dailies on 4 characters

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Algans

woeful minnow
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ah

young portal
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rares

woeful minnow
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makes sense

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I care too much about my alts to feed their pearls to my main SucksMan

void bear
#

@low junco how did you get lucid on rank 3 that quick 😮

low junco
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?

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its not that hard

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u need 6000 follower exp

woeful minnow
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it's about 18 days of every day dailies

low junco
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nah

void bear
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all on lvl 30?

woeful minnow
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with coral ancients done every week

low junco
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i got it faster

topaz trout
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on pull @ ~6 seconds, start channel and restealth (4 if stealth doesnt break) line the first use of the trinket up with vendetta and use coral asap
on next set of cds, make sure dots are ticking with a healthy timer, burn some energy, channel font 4 seconds and continue your regular rotation until font has 20-21 seconds left, pop vendetta and pop coral after the ma window, should be roughly 6 seconds into vendetta.

low junco
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what do you mean all on lvl 30 @void bear

topaz trout
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this gives you 14 seconds of coral crit buff inside font and vendetta

young portal
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thats rank 4 @void bear

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you're talking about

low junco
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rank4 is cosmetic

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so cba

young portal
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^

void bear
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oh im so dumb xD

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i thought you have to do that for rank 3 -.-

low junco
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i mean ill get rank 4 lucid eventually

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but rn i cba farming trees n shit

void bear
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so how do you lvl that fast?

low junco
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dailies, coral ancient trees

topaz trout
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corals have a chance to drop the bark

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which is 150 exp for each follower I think but maybe its 120

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I cant recall

young portal
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it is 150

void bear
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so you focusing on lvling 1 first to lvl 30?

topaz trout
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it doesnt matter for r3

low junco
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i dont think it matters

topaz trout
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its overall follower exp

low junco
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i focused on neri cuz she gives a mount at level 20

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rank 20*

cosmic pier
woeful minnow
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lmao what

low junco
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DS monkaW

cosmic pier
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lucid major peophammer

topaz trout
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lucid major makes DS viable

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so yeah

low junco
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can u please not

cosmic pier
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cbf farming blood, just waiting for r3 life force

low junco
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ds is for outlaw only 😡

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waiting r3 life force?

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dont u have it already monkaS

cosmic pier
#

only 21 reliquaries Pepega

low junco
#

how

cosmic pier
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7/8h first 2 weeks, 1/8 m first M week, 7/8h 3/8M this week

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killin azshara tonight

low junco
#

i see

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i got azshara first week feelsloveman

cosmic pier
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imagine being in a good guild omegalul

low junco
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my guild is fine

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killing ashvane tonight probably

strange python
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i get to wipe for 4 hours on ashvane today cuz everyone in my guild does like 5-8 k below their sims pogchamp

cosmic pier
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just do more damage 4Head

low junco
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relatable @strange python

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🤣

strange python
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me and our dh are doing 43ishk and after that its down to 33k for 3rd place lol

low junco
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oh its not that bad in my guild

strange python
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yea its all bad our healers are doing like 3k dps too we are never going to kill ashvane till they start pressing buttons lol

faint harness
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tell em to quip cyclotronic

strange python
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
tropic ocean
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43k

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thats a lot

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thats like top 10 😄

strange python
onyx halo
#

I have triple SS and 50% mastery, do I still run toxic blade or would exsang be better for m+?

tropic ocean
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@strange python dont refresh garrote so early

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use prepot

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you use ss trait right?

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and you open garrote mutilate garrote rupture

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(overcap cp) so you should use garrote garrote rupture

strange python
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no ss trait on my gear currently. so i've been doing garrote, mut, garrote

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Thanks @tropic ocean I normally pre-pot so must have bungled it that time.

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anything else seem odd? if not, I guess I just need to focus on tightening up those smaller mistakes

tropic ocean
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have you tried simming master assassing vs subterfuge?

signal summit
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If u don't have ss traits u shouldnt run subt

strange python
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let me sim that now

tropic ocean
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also do topgear sim for your traits

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tradewinds seems bad

signal summit
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Or i mean u can run subt But i do think ma Sims alot higher

tropic ocean
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maybe other option is better

signal summit
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And u should change ur opener aswell

strange python
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looking at a .5% increase with MA

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Is the current brawl a good way to farm honor points for the essence?

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but i think that benefit might be wiped off by not being able to use azshara's font on pre-pull

devout gazelle
#

guys which bosses are abberations?

strange python
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org and the second last one

cosmic pier
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god DS is so weird to play

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why did i do this to myself

signal summit
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XD

cosmic pier
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like 50-100 i think

signal summit
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Then i would go vigor instead tbh

faint harness
#

could it be worth to run SS on mythic ashvane?

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or do the brinys live for too short

severe bough
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50-100 dps is between the statiatical error and can be considered a sidegrade

exotic rose
#

too short

severe bough
#

@faint harness imo run standard build

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U need all the st dps you can get

exotic rose
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and a lot of classes can immune

severe bough
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Litterally

faint harness
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we have enough dps

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just failing with brinys

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get her to 30% in last shield

severe bough
signal summit
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I still don't think It's worth it

severe bough
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Thats strange

signal summit
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To go ss

severe bough
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Yeah me neither

faint harness
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not really, dumping too much ST into the boss

signal summit
#

I would stay st specc But it all Depends on ur guild

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But imo they shouldnt live long enough for it to matter

faint harness
#

tried running azerite beam but its just sad to bench the rocky boi

severe bough
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Wtf, blood of the enemy rank 3 or bust

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😠

signal summit
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Cba farmingn honor

faint harness
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i lose like 500 dps with bote rank 3

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had rank 3 first days of 8.2 and its been a trustworthy comrade

signal summit
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But do u perform better with bote than rlf?

severe bough
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I do

signal summit
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Seem some sim more with rlf But performe worse

severe bough
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Its the stats

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Probably

faint harness
#

my overall dps went up after swapping to rlf

severe bough
#

I have a fuck ton of haste

signal summit
#

Do u sim lower or higher with rlf ale

severe bough
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Basically the same iirc

signal summit
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Okok

severe bough
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I can make rlf sim 200 dps more but i need to regem crit

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So

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Eeh

cosmic pier
#

if you need briny damage then maybe look at outlaw

severe bough
#

I mean i might do it

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But not yet

faint harness
#

my best outlaw weapon is 415 rip

cosmic pier
#

but thats pretty yikes

severe bough
#

Im doing 38-40k dps

cosmic pier
#

yeah rip

severe bough
#

Topping charts half the pulls

signal summit
#

And u sim for ?

severe bough
#

2nd-5tg th other half

#

39.9k

faint harness
severe bough
#

Well now im at 40500

signal summit
#

Wtb benethic pieces

severe bough
#

But i just got font yesterday in a normal

faint harness
#

i sim at 45 500 4Head

signal summit
#

I don't have coral yet , Unluck

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But hc font atleast

severe bough
#

Me neither

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If i get coral its 1100 more dps for me

faint harness
#

cyclotronic + 440 font with socket

severe bough
#

So... close to 42k?

signal summit
#

Friend got 455 coral with socket in one of our splits xD

severe bough
#

Kek

signal summit
#

On alt

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Half raid wanted to kms

faint harness
#

our tank got 450 font with socket on first azshara kill

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not using it 😃

severe bough
#

Lel

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🙃

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Our fury warr got a 450 font with a socket

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Hes a good player so theres that

signal summit
#

Always something

low junco
#

tfw people with 450 pieces meanwhile i had only 1 445 which wasnt an upgrade

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with 40+ dungeons played

severe bough
low junco
#

nvm

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the retry pala in my guild traded me a 445 coral

faint harness
low junco
severe bough
#

Pog

faint harness
severe bough
#

Yeah i know

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I have simmed it many many times

faint harness
#

and thats with full crit build monkaHmm

tropic ocean
#

why are you calling it rlf

faint harness
#

yea who knows

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should be clf

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r3lf?

severe bough
#

I call it guardian

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Or raid essence

faint harness
#

raidlifeforce

severe bough
#

Rock can be an acceptable name

faint harness
#

rock is my go-to

severe bough
#

Good

stone crescent
#

how do we check uptime of undulating tides being active

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in a log?

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not sure if its great or not

severe bough
#

Hmm

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Check the uptime of the 'cant proc' debuff

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And do a sustraction

opal oyster
#

3SS, 2EB, 1TTK is a good set for M+ in general?

lone mirage
#

Hi guys, should i spec to MA in raid even if i have 3 ss ? (Mm+ opti)

tropic ocean
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no

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and u shouldnt use 3 ss too

lone mirage
#

i know

old bough
#

Hey guys i see people talking about the cyclotronic blast punchcard and how its a good dps increase turns out for me it was but my macro i use for my other trinkets dont work. also im not sure if its even a good idea to use it that way can anyone help me out ? #showtooltip Vendetta /cast vendetta /use 14
#showtooltip Vendetta
/cast vendetta
/use 14

dark crag
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Vend is on gcd, the trinket is on gcd

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It needs its own button

old bough
#

Thank you, do you guys wait till vendetta is down and energy low to use trinket?

unkempt seal
#

yes

old bough
#

thank you 😃

loud silo
#

Would it be worth taking blood of the enemy as a major at rank 2 over lucid or am I better off farming for 10 years to get rank 3

arctic walrus
#

simself But probably not

loud silo
#

Yeah i did the sims it just seems really nice having that crit for my opener and wanted a second opinion

cosmic pier
#

also slightly higher chance to poison bomb is a weird side benefit to DS

faint harness
#

ive done 140k crit without DS

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but thats with 3 TTKs

severe bough
#

@loud silo farm rank 3

loud silo
#

Thanks for an answer other than sim it @severe bough

severe bough
#

Yw

cosmic pier
#

probs sim r3 life force as well, because if its aheadd for you dont waste time farming it now

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or atleast just slowly farm

strange python
#

Is the current brawl a good way to farm honor points for the essence?

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I'm guessing it is since you always win instead of 50/50 with other bgs

woeful minnow
#

I've 5capped every game so far

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and it's about 300 honor a win

last seal
#

@strange python does it gain honor constantly? yes. is it really boring? double yes

woeful minnow
#

first one was 550ish?

strange python
#

I mean losing is boring too xD

barren pond
#

Hi

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anyone knew the discord for mages? please

vestal wren
sand otter
#

got my new G600

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time to re learn my rogue

dark crag
#

You have to afk to lose the ab brawl

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5 mins for around 300 honor (maybe more with enlisteted bonus)

sand otter
#

So, any tips on programming and setting up the G600 for Sin?

haughty lily
#

If you que alliance and you have good gear it is pretty hard to lose battlegrounds and you can win it in like 10 minutes, around 600 honor per win

strange python
#

is there a point to farming bote R3 when you are 1 week away from CLF R3?

arctic walrus
#

Depends how far away you are and how much you care

strange python
#

well why would i take bote r3 over CLF r3?

rigid mango
#

For ST you wouldn't

strange python
#

does bote sim better in m+ than the other essences?

#

even iris?

rigid mango
#

dungeon sims are whack, but it's for sure a good essence in m+

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the diff between using it and using iris might not be big though idk

strange python
#

kk

arctic walrus
#

It might not be worth sitting for hours grinding, but you shouldn't just sit on it and not get it

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We don't know how they might tune essences so it's just good to have a variety available

strange python
#

I agree

sand otter
#

right n iow my sim is telling me dreams is the best for ST

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but i just changed from law so. im starting over basscily

orchid lichen
#

is the bleed spec ok for m+ nowadays?

rigid mango
#

wdym bleed spec

summer marten
#

exsanguinate would be my guess

#

the more fun talent

rigid mango
#

The worse one, yeah

vast forum
#

it was never "not ok" for m+

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it is just not better than TB anymore

orchid lichen
#

aight thanks

tribal marlin
#

Do you think I should go 3EB+3SS or 2eb2ss + (1ttk + shit = inge helm)

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considering it's Fluid Machination 435 vs Inge 445

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I can't decide myself :/

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3eb 3ss = shit boss dmg

rigid mango
#

Not that bad

#

SS is still really good for ST

vapid scarab
#

Don’t think 3 EB is ever really the play anymore

tacit knoll
#

hi, whats the optimum way to use the coral trinket?

haughty parrot
#

pop stacks with vendetta

tribal marlin
#

yes I like taking 1 or 2 TTK to pump some juicy envenom on prio targets

#

but thing with Inge helm is that it has TTK, but 2nd trait is garbage

#

We depleted 18 Shrine today ... on non elite tentacle pack ......

#

We could have timed it with 1 more EB 100% xD

daring basalt
#

What eccense set up should I go ? just hit 55 neck

rigid mango
#

sim it

karmic sonnet
#

!essence

prisma monolithBOT
last ingot
#

how many EB should i take to m+?

rigid mango
#

2 tops imo

haughty parrot
#

is there any way to sim punchcards on raidbots?

#

thought i saw it there before buts not there anymore

vestal wren
#

gear compare

tribal marlin
#

you need to change manually the gem ID on simc input in raidbot

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or maybe gear compare support it right

daring basalt
vestal wren
hard adder
#

does elaborate planning change up your rotation?

vestal wren
#

no

strange python
#

what's the opening for sub ? cause i'm gonna switch for Za'qul

placid dawn
#

go to the sub channel

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oh, you mean subterfuge :v

strange python
#

yaaa sorry

#

lol

placid dawn
#

i think its garrote - rup - garrote -vendetta - tb- env

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when garrote is falling off use vanish and apply it twice

#

ideally start with 1-2cp so you vanish garrote env garrote

strange python
#

Hum ok i will try

#

cause i'm MA and i see ppl go sub and full aoe for this boss

#

so i dunno

placid dawn
#

thats with at least one SS trait of course

#

im pretty sure the aoe is just padding though

vapid scarab
#

if you need to aoe on zaquul then you play outlaw

strange python
#

Outlaw ? 🤢

arctic walrus
#

Sub is not an aoe spec to begin with in the first place too

strange python
#

So i should not use aoe on Za'qul ?

arctic walrus
#

It's either outlaw or MA, if you want to play optimally

bronze topaz
#

is font of power breaking your stelath aswell?

strange python
#

with MA yes @bronze topaz

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I just see on warcraft log they use echoing blades a lot on this boss and i'm kinda confuse i don't want to choose the wrong thing

bronze topaz
#

have played sf until now
when do i use the first font?

tropic ocean
#

prepull

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5-6sec

bronze topaz
#

rip ma buff 😦 thanks

arctic walrus
#

You stealth before you pull

bronze topaz
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i am dump 😄 now i know how i have to play^^

opal meadow
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Sub with SS on a cleave fight is more optimal than MA right?..

tropic ocean
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if the ss can tick out

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y

strange python
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So u guys stay with MA and normal traits for Za'qul ?

eager gazelle
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Is LW/Eng the way to go in terms of gear?

arctic walrus
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You can cheese and pad if you're looking at normal/heroic logs. It's a single target fight for the most part

modest zodiac
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Getting trouble with Garrote Weak Aura. THe timer displayed is incorrect for the current target.... Any ideas?

lone junco
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I use Mizerok kit, and it seems to work fine. or it has been wrong the entire time.

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🤔

tropic ocean
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no point to take pad stuff in zaqul

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eventually get fixed soon

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and all u need is boss dmg anyway

modest zodiac
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It happened since the last update of Weak Aura. They asked me to upgrade to the new system since i was on the legacy one. There is this button you click "Convert to new system"...

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I had to do it for like 8 weak auras. All worked fine except garrote. Maybe I should just delete it make it again 😉

solemn meadow
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wth is wrong with gettiku

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why is gettiku so op in st

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and agi daggers with an effect like that dont exist

royal lantern
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cus gettiku gives no stats

solemn meadow
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that doesnt matter in raids

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since it does like 8% of your dmg

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with 1 wep

rigid mango
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not assa convo

tropic ocean
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if 1 weap is 8% dmg than 2 weaps is 16% dmg?

cobalt pelican
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why not just equip daggers in all slots?????

lone junco
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I am a ... Fan of Knives

sharp viper
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!wa

prisma monolithBOT
hasty brook
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Lucid dream still best major if not 55 neck yet?

old solar
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so if I have SS i should be using subterfuge right? because MA is simming quite a bit lower for me

prisma halo
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have a look for me experienced rogues and lemme know what you think

rigid mango
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Sims are personal, play with what sims tell you

prisma halo
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but it seems to much mastery

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thats why im asking

rigid mango
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You're running 2 NP I wouldn't be shocked

prisma halo
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yeah but so are alot of people and they still seem to stack crit i was just really asking for advice

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as i know my sims

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just cant decide if to go by it

hasty brook
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Is there a reason why now just comparing two pieces in raidbots has thousands more combination? I pay to have 12,000,000 but adding one piece goes over that now..

prisma halo
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yeah if your trying to do all encahants and gems

harsh sphinx
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you see rogues stacking crit mostly because of the benthiccc boots. nothing wrong with the sim telling you to go mastery even if you see other rogues going crit

hasty brook
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oh ok

prisma halo
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yeah and i mean by wowlogs mainly

hasty brook
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
rigid mango
shy axle
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are you using Tb on cd at sivara or are you delaying it so you won`t be interupted by the barrage?

hasty brook
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How are you all liking [Ashvane's Razor Coral]? Got a 415 one but finding it hard to replace the [Lurker's Insidious Gift].

empty mesa
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hey. i have been looking around, but cant find anything on it. but how do we ashvanes coral?

harsh sphinx
hasty brook
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not sue myself @empty mesa . Supposed to be a big upgrade for me but not entirely sure when best to use. During MA opener and after a few stacks trigger it?

empty mesa
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i know dhs save it for their second Meta, but i dont know if i should save it for the second vendetta

hasty brook
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So keep it on boss and trigger it again on second?

empty mesa
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ye

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for the big crit boost

hasty brook
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ok makes sense

vapid scarab
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you just macro it to vendetta

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use it as soon as possible afterwards to build stacks for the next

hasty brook
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so even on opener use it with ven?

vapid scarab
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I mean, yeah, you have to start building stacks

robust light
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why do the top rogue logs not follow the opener ravenholdt has ?

hasty brook
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ty.

robust light
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and there seems to be alot of different openers

rigid mango
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mut rup mut is slightly better

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but all in all such a minor diff it wont matter

robust light
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what about vanish? i see vanish being used different

hasty brook
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Openers didn't change much though I assume unless new traits

robust light
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some vanisj before tb, some before envenom

hasty brook
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I always vanish after hitting vend but I am speced as MA

robust light
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everyone is for st

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im assuming the standard st build of MA

hasty brook
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Unless you have SS though I thought.

robust light
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i mean

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i dont see any logs using it on st cause its pretry easy to get azerite without ss now

hasty brook
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true

harsh sphinx
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there are some, not many but there def are some

robust light
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im also not really comfortable with when to use lucid and punchcard trinket

hasty brook
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If you aren't 55 on neck I assume the lucid dream(r1) still better untill 55?

robust light
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i think im correct using trinket after vendetta ends but around then TB also comes of cd so i dunno wether to wait til after tb or use the trink before tb

vapid scarab
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they're both pretty simple

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use lucid when you don't have energy during vendetta, usually ~8-5s remaining on vendetta

robust light
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doing that

vapid scarab
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use cyclo when you don't have any CDs available or currently running

robust light
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so i guess im doing them okay

vapid scarab
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~45s in

robust light
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is ther a way to sim myself with blood of the enemy in raidbots

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without actually having it

rigid mango
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why blood

robust light
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i havent got it but am curious how much of an upgrade it may be

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idk i see loads using blood

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even as a minor

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quite alot of blood

low lodge
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Why are people running different openers even though they are running the same build? (Master Assassin, starting garrote vs. starting mutilate)

robust light
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scroll up a bit

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i just asked same thing :p

low lodge
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Oh 😄

rigid mango
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idk where you're looking for those kills but

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CLF > Blood

robust light
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first boss mythic

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my gyazo

rigid mango
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yeah that's before people got CLF r3

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most of them, anyways

covert mesa
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someone have a weakaura 4 aszharas font of poweer trinket ?

old solar
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any reason why this macro would make the subterfuge talent not work? #showtooltip Garrote
/use 13
/startattack
/cast Garrote

scarlet sequoia
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if you use an on use trinket before any other ability while in stealth you will not benefit from subterfuge

old solar
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ah

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also, for ashvane's razor coral, is it good to use it on cooldown? or just build it and use it with vendetta?