244 isnt even so bad
#assassination
scarlet sequoia
vestal wren
gz
stable yarrow
brisk frost
dunno if lucky, got socket wrists on literally 1st buy
sharp viper
now farm more to upgrade them
turbid elm
Got pufferfish wrists with socket, is it worth it to roll for frost one? Is there a huge difference?
vestal wren
diffrence is minimal
turbid elm
Ok, cheers
sharp viper
imagine farming 2x bracers, boots, hands and 3x belts each with a socket to be upgraded to 425
scarlet sequoia
only 2 belts?
young meteor
Bote rank 2 is p worthless, right? Not worth using til 3?
proven lance
When it comes to using a major essence, do you also gain the minor power as well for occupying the major slot?
buoyant kraken
which prepots do you use as assa?
crisp hazel
Hey, why does Font break stealth while in MA but when I’m in subterfuge it doesn’t?
summer marten
because thats how it works
royal lantern
its working as intended
idle ember
Ever get on a mount or hearth with subterfuge?
crisp hazel
Yea, I’ve never noticed this before was wandering to why this was so o:
shell briar
what prepot are you using?
frigid sleet
Potion of Unbridled Fury
shell briar
someone want buy prepot for agi 
strange python
Isn't focused resolve better for ST?
lost tree
loyal to the end is okayish if enough perople wear it or is the Chest myth BiS from Behemoth?
stark mirage
How are you guys aoe'ing in m+? I have 3xss, 1xEB. I start with 3 garrotes into a rupture, do you just spam FoK envenom and only go for another rupture when the 3 garrotes are about to fall off or?
would it be better to go 3garrotes into an envenom for the env. buff? It affects fok?
crude junco
Quick question, when you rupture/garrote before vendetta does rupture/garrote still get the buff or do you have to reapply them to get the dmg bonus?
narrow orchid
Any WA that tracks master assasin buff?
steady grotto
@summer marten only sub??? So MA does not snapshot bleeds??
karmic kite
is rupturing briny bubbles on ashvane actually a single target dps increase
shy dust
It doesn’t @steady grotto
hardy anchor
Should I still use Blood of the Enemy major rank 2 over Lucid rank 3?
lost tree
tested it yesterday Lucid seems to be stronger ._.
hardy anchor
rank 3 still feels a million miles away. pepeHands
hardy anchor
Yee, feels that way. Guess we rollin' back to Lucid.
lost tree
im at 17k dont know how i will get the feelin to farm this shit 😄
red plaza
If you raided or cleared casually you should be nearing R3 CLF in a couple of weeks
royal lantern
do the brawl
hardy anchor
oshiet yeah actually
I could just use CLF
my brain's kinda been tunelling hard on the BoTE I forgot about that.
lost tree
im at 14 of Rank 3 CLF so i dont know if i should farm bote its so hard to decide
sullen sphinx
limber dew
if you had to choose between upgrading benthic shoulders, or the benthic crit damage boots, which would you go for first?
fringe epoch
id go for the 1 that gave me the most damage
plain wraith
^
I'm still iffy on the Benthic Stuff, I get the feeling they're gonna nerf it soon
stiff mason
urban junco
Hard to say - they're in pretty deep with it already.
I could see the upgrading prices increase or base cost
idle ember
I expected them to go to a higher ilvl with a ridiculous amount of pearls, like 1k for 5 ilvl. Just for the tormented ones.
near python
Hello is there any sim gods that can tell me if inkpod is trash in my sims because sims dno how to stack it with cds & blood of the enemy, or cuz it just sucks
marble hemlock
you suck
its definitely better if you can play around it well
not sure if its still buffed by TB, but i dont think the sim specificlaly holds coral or blood for the pod explosion
past gust
would that explain why rank 3 crucible sims better than rank 3 bote for me? that sim doesnt hold bote for the right times? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ocC2gJUJS2oHFnFYa7CCWH#0
balmy kraken
near python
@marble hemlock ty and gz on ashvane kill 🙂
narrow orchid
so should i use potion of focussed resolve in raid or what
cuz thats what the sim is using for me atm
arctic hornet
Sorry new in 8.1 for Rogue but does it matter what weapon my enchants are on? Force Multiplier on main hand vs second hand
hollow stone
Hands dont matter. Just make sure youre using your two highest simming ones
arctic hornet
Ok cool. Ty.
latent gazelle
Wait Apple. Are you saying they got nerfed or they won’t?
cold rampart
can i go MA Without blood of the enemy?
dusky tinsel
yes
latent gazelle
Sims higher for me then Sub n I don’t have Blood. Using lucid and WV
strange python
the dungeon slice sims more to iris than blood enemy,what i should play ? im assa with triple EB
hollow stone
Iris will likely net you more end of dungeon dmg, but depending on your other traits/comp, you may want to go something more st/prio oriented
fervent beacon
You could just go Iris, Sin already have good ST damage
cold patio
dense axle
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
dense axle
There's a haste cap?
solemn meadow
@cold patio rockyboi scales with versatility
rigid mango
@dense axle no
@hollow wraith you have to choose it to be an abberation
I've heard there is one
but I've not simmed mine
icy ember
so when do you use the font of azshara trinket? I have the compendium/font of azshara trinket, but I'm struggling w/the usage of it. Do I use it at 10 seconds before the pull? 6 seconds? It doesn't REALLY matter, I just want to get into practicing the RIGHT way
there really isn't any info in the pins, or in #tc-research
solemn meadow
you use it 5 seconds in the pulltimer
like 5 seconds left
then stealth prepot
and you channel it 5 seconds before your vendetta comes of cd
you always use it with vendetta
fallow estuary
what kinda toy is that flag on which you can ss?
solemn meadow
why?
icy ember
it is probably worth it to sacrifice 1-2 seconds of the buff to ensure you can stealth/prepot early enough to not cancel your 2nd pot
so i'm probably gonna up it to 6 seconds before the pull
strange python
5 is best and even easier if u use sub so that u dont unstealth
icy ember
i just saw something in #tc-research that suggested to use it at 10 seconds before the pull, which doesn't make a whole lot of sense
strange python
its not suboptimal
i started playing 1 month ago and dont have bis ST traits
so I'm forced to run sub cause of SS traits stacking
in the case that you have sub its easy to use font cause it doesnt unstealth
solemn meadow
well its subotpimal if you have the options of traits
optimal*
like I said use it only if your gear is crap and the sims tell you to use it
pliant wing
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
kindred cedar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/52d62bVyjYMouzNV3MrynH
any ideas what to do to gain some dps? what's missing?
kindred cedar
and im the only one that think its strange that the sim wants me to stack crit and not haste?
rigid mango
you have full 420 azerite.
kindred cedar
the boots is in the sim, the belt doesnt do any diff on non abberations?
rigid mango
What does text say?
kindred cedar
Hm, thought it was only to abberations in nazjatar and the eternal palace lol
How do i sim the belt then?
solemn meadow
theres a belt with physical dmg proc
it should sim automaticly
it does that for me
icy ember
how much of a dps increase is the non-abby belt, I have the boots already
chilly marsh
ofc if youre not fighting abberations its bad
kindred cedar
Thats what i said, but they told me to read the text.
chilly marsh
youre using the wrong belt
icy ember
ya it is really out there in terms of unluckiness
i've farmed 906 pearls
according to glancing at fistful of pearls
icy ember
ye i don't really kill the rares for their gems, but i do all of the dailies
chilly marsh
Conch Strike is the other belt proc
rigid mango
jeez, you can atleast flex on all the plebs with ur achi then ig
ember rover
Anybody else that's raiding right now and seeing very bad performance on CLF Rank 3?
The minor procs a lot less than what it says it procs in sims.
rigid mango
I'm getting real good numbers atm
ember rover
Sims roughly has it set to 3RPPM while in my logs I consistently have only 2 RPPM.
high nacelle
do we stack razor coral for a whole 2 mins till next vendetta?
high nacelle
30% is with ink?
solemn meadow
it tells me to
shell lodge
jk 435. not sure
high nacelle
ok thanks
shell lodge
Ty
kindred cedar
Is it worth switching to engineering and craft the head?
empty tide
The head is pretty good, since our BiS only comes from zaqul, that is gonna a while to get farmable
ember rover
Nobody else seeing this behaviour?
All of my pulls the minor proc is 1 roughly every 30s.
Which makes it actually quite bad.
Sims are 100% showing it as 3RPPM
solemn meadow
I need just the blackwater chest
for 1600 dps increase
dont play tides @fallow estuary
kindred cedar
if i level engineering, do i get the recipe right away for engineering head?
sharp viper
3 weeks of 6x no trinkets (azshara and ashvane), fire mage gets the 430 socket font today 
odd rampart
how much of a dps difference are the pufferfish bracers and the frost bracers? i got the pufferfish ones socketed today, but im hesitant to upgrade them all the way if the frost ones are that much better
rigid mango
They're bad on movement fights, equal on ST, beter on aoe
sour wasp
so i just got ashvane and if i understand the pin correctly, i use it on pull and then use it on 2nd vendetta, right?
sour wasp
gotcha
low junco
anyone else had problem with traits not working as they are supposed to do after a pc crash(?)
solemn meadow
idk how ppl use it
solemn meadow
but coral in the sims is used with the 3rd vendetta
rigid mango
@bronze topaz you want to be using font 13 sec before(?) vend, then coral as soon as it'sa available
bronze topaz
currently i am using font - vendetta and after 16s (tricket shared cd) the coral
bronze topaz
but like this there is only 4s of coral and vendetta uptime
rigid mango
It's like, giga pad and that's not what your sin rogue is there for 😄
Yeah on pull you use font > coral
but ye, there's not much minmaxing to do, you canr ead the stuff in #tc-research from the last days
short jacinth
What essences you running for EP Zine?
bronze topaz
will take a look 😃 and try the coral with the 3th vendetta
sour wasp
how do you guys parse well on radiance? my dps goes way the fuck down since my bleeds are still up on boss during ad phase
just look out for it and dont put dots?
rough agate
is there a way to adjust uptime on raidbots for undulating
rigid mango
@short jacinth r3 CLF + r3 lucid
fossil nebula
is there any way to farm botm really fast?
low junco
anyone else who had the problem of certain traits/trinkets/enchants not working after pc/game crash
asking again, i know
fossil nebula
yes had same problem just relog after
fossil nebula
equip unequip neck?
low junco
it was too late when i tried it
but
the log compares
no np, no buffs n shit
flask which didnt work aswell
woven summit
Guys what's a usual azerite trait setup for keys now?
I had solid traits last patch but now I run 2x TTK, 2X SS and 1X EB
grand heart
master poisoner in mythic + situation?
magic fossil
181 tries for benthic boots, freaking nothing, can't believe
rigid mango
@grand heart never
vocal kelp
Pretty sure dungeon slice is a bad way to sim what pieces is good, atleast for assa
Ttk, SS, Echo
Any combo of those and u should be fine
rigid mango
Any mix of ttk/eb/ss
optimal setups are 2/2/2 or 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss
Changes a bit dependant on week, dungeon, comp and so on
willow wasp
hmm i thought ss was op
2/2/2 seems like a good balance of all though
i feel like itd be hard to find the azerite pieces for it, right?
is double dose not worth
vocal kelp
Since you build CP with fok in 80% of the
dungeon no
deft patio
Is it worth using crimson or not these days?
rigid mango
Never CT.
3 SS is aight, but it's bad in low keys bec shit dies too fast
and bad on high bec shit dies too slow
rigid mango
Sync with vend if you wont lose a cast
opal meadow
Is there any reason to grind blood of the enemy?
Seems like Condensed life-force is the best major for single target
and for AoE, focusing iris is still better right?
tacit plinth
tropic ocean
now pretty much everyone uses life force
jaunty plaza
Is it worth to try and pick up a NP trait for M+? I feel like I fall way behind on boss damage and certain big mobs. DungeonSlice Sims just keep saying get more AoE
whole onyx
Whats better way to sim for m+ then? just more targets or hectic addcleave or what?
zinc canopy
Hi, im wondering, is there a reason that the rank 3 from the raid is not an upgrade for me?
royal torrent
Eze, when I simmed r3 clf major, it switched everything else to haste for me, did you try simming gems/chants with haste with it?
quasi pewter
@zinc canopy ur simming against worldvein with 5 allies
halcyon skiff
Is 3xDD best for eternal raid ? Have been running 3x twist and it just seems weak
tropic ocean
yeah too much worldvein uptime
zinc canopy
@royal torrent No, will try maybe this is the reason ty
@quasi pewter @tropic ocean Oh, okay should i sim with 3 allies atleast? is it enough?
quasi pewter
simming worldvein is kinda meh because of movement on most bosses
tropic ocean
yeah we switched from world vein on ashvane cuz terrible uptime
Think u should just use lucid minor clf major
Later with 2nd minor i suppse everyone will use wv and then its good
zinc canopy
Okok ty for answering will try like this
sterile ledge
hi guys
just a quick question
what should be assa rogue stats? is there any cap? ty
strange python
depends on what you are wearing, your stat weights are going to change based on what you have. I think bloodmallet is haste > mastery > crit > vers as a baseline though.
river hearth
So i'm normally an outlaw rogue but I am starting to raid as assassination because I find it easier and more consistent. What're the azerite trait rules. From what I've read it seems like Double dose as many as possible, stack nothing personal and then have a single shrouded suffication, correct?
rigid mango
Everything but the SS part, yeah
river hearth
Oh no more focus on SS?
rigid mango
SS' primary use is in m+ and cleave fights, which there's only one of
and even on court, it's a neglible diff
willow wasp
In 10-15 keys do you want to use garrote on mobs whenever it’s off cd?
Like in a 4-6 pack
rigid mango
You use garrote 3x out of stealth
river hearth
Yeah I'll honestly still run combat for mythic
willow wasp
Or save energy to spread bleed
rigid mango
but never again unless you're on boss fights
river hearth
It's just raid and PVP i use assassination
halcyon skiff
Is 3xDD or 3xTTK better for raid? Seems ttk is far behind in dmg
quasi pewter
dd is our best st trait
quasi pewter
but follow ur sims
there is alot of pieces with ttk and op which might be better than some dd pieces
willow wasp
In keys do you how many ruptures until you start envenoming
river hearth
One quick question... For a boss like Ashvane where you need to pull off every once in a while and DPS the briny bubbles. What's our go to for something like that? Should we just be using Fan of Knives? and then envenom
sour wasp
dont go to briny bubbles
rigid mango
You want 5 bleeds out in total @willow wasp if sustained
You'll notice when you do and don't need
hazy lava
just let everyone else do the bubbles @river hearth
willow wasp
Ok tyvm
rigid mango
general opener is g g g rup build rup
and then go from there
Depends on how long they'll live etc
river hearth
Ok. Bad example. I realized after I said that. But what about a situation where we do need to aoe?
sour wasp
you pretty much dont lol
rigid mango
If you're running DD traits, you only fok at 4-5+
sour wasp
you can go for iris major if rl is an ass wants you to aoe on brinies
tropic ocean
don‘t go to bubbles not the best tip for progression
river hearth
ok cool. That's what I was wondering
sour wasp
is 1x scent of blood good for m+?
tropic ocean
The sample ability log from sim is trolling right?
rigid mango
wdym
rigid mango
Koji talked about it in #tc-research like, yesterday?
ebon spruce
Hey guys I've had someone in stream tell me I should stop opening with garrore when I have Blood of the Enemy & Master assassin talent.
I believe he said I should
Mutilate
Rupture
Mutilate
Vendetta
Blood of the Enemy
Toxic Blade
I personally don't see it and it feels wrong but it did get me thinking. did anything change to our opener running Blood + Coral + Font ?
rigid mango
It's correct
rigid mango
I mean if you wont lose anything from garroting in tb
I don't see why not
@ebon spruce no, nothing changes in opener, you font at 5 sec on pulltimer, you coral when you can
tropic ocean
i think its better to put 3rd envenom but idk
civic palm
It's better to not lose your DoT, 100% of the time.
rigid mango
However each vendetta after that, you font 10s~ before vend, then use coral 10s~ into vend
civic palm
So either prepare better, or suffer 
ebon spruce
thats how I felt. I didnt like leaving garrote out at all.
willow wasp
In keys I’m assuming you refresh garote on priority targets?
tropic ocean
@civic palm yeah but why does sim do it i mean it should be prepared 100%
@willow wasp never refesh in pack unless vanishing
willow wasp
Okay tyvm
tropic ocean
In packs not
civic palm
Unless you don't have the NRG to sustain.
woven summit
I see
tropic ocean
On boss/st 2 target yes
tropic ocean
4-5
willow wasp
Damn coming from spriest to rogue, rogue has so much more useful util
woven summit
You put rupture on most targets as possible in a pack of 5 lets say?
tropic ocean
So u can sustaim energy
woven summit
right
rigid mango
You open with g g g rup build rup
then you reapply ruptures when garrotes start to fall off
or snipe if packs wont be surviving long
tropic ocean
if you use lucid major u can also use it in pack if u want to pump more
instead of rupture
woven summit
glad to know this I think I was refreshing garrotes in packs
but just a loss of energy
Will change my approach
nah I go with Iris major
lucid minor
willow wasp
Why not blood major
tropic ocean
@civic palm so what I see from sim is that refreshing garrote inside tb is superior to refreshing garrote out of pandemic
but im not sure if its the most efficient
fresh robin
what 445 azerite did u guys buy?
looking like shoulders/chest? theres a good helm early in raid
empty tide
Shoulders or Chest is the best choice , Head you can get along with the first boss until zaqul,
remote oak
Any tips for using Concentrated flame rank 3?
empty tide
second best, gorak tul is first
fresh robin
has anyone done like percentages
for it to be a good drop vs bad?
or is it pretty even
fresh robin
Ah ty
empty tide
he'll simc every piece the vendor sells, pretty useful
sour wasp
island weekly is gold feelsbadman
stark oxide
I got residuum 💯
civic palm
@tropic ocean This is also going to depend on mechanics factors, yada yada yada, just get your 2 ENV in TB, do w/e after, you will be fine... probably.
dark crag
Gambled chest first, i lost. Next week shoulders
vagrant tapir
so weird to see haste as my worst stat
this however, was not weird to see
thank you vendor god
most bountiful vendor god
echo cargo
nice
strange python
unbridled vs focused resolve?
rigid mango
@strange python unbrid
acoustic atlas
unbridled is about 300 more dps for me then focused
rigid mango
Hence me answering unbridled
acoustic atlas
Oh I didnt know we were the only 3 people in the channel. My bad
chrome current
hi guys any tips how to use ashvane razor coral?
rigid mango
only us 2-3cp rups on bubble
faint harness
not much to say about it tbh, its a boring ST fight with few mechanics
rigid mango
rest is very straight forwards
hazy iron
Ashvane is a mechanically simple fight
I drop small ruptures on bubbles for enrgyvregen
faint harness
you can cloak the briny bubbles, but you still have to move away from others
so just move into the briny bubble stack and cloak it
hazy iron
Also cloak will not drop stacks of soaked or w/e it’s called
faint harness
its like almost impossible for a rogue to die on that fight, requires some very heavy inting
hazy iron
Agreed
rigid mango
Dying as a rogue on any fight 
faint harness
energy gains
rigid mango
Not worth more
You just pump a small one for some slight dps and energy
You're not there to kill bubbles
faint harness
it can be good, sim yoself
sour wasp
i always pump a small one 
faint harness
If you're the one killing bubbles on that fight, the others are doing something wrong
civic palm
o _o
hazy iron
o_ o
rigid mango
o_O
strange python
what kind of gems do i want for sin rogue using master assassin?
sour wasp
your top stat
strange python
thanks ❤
stone crescent
Do you guys think its worth it to drop a profession and grab engi helm since the only hgood helm we can get now is from za'qul mythic?
m+ ones and other ones arent great
but i dont know how good the engi helm is for raid
stone crescent
yeah but
is gizmo any good in practice?
i mean its nice that it has OP on it, but still no NP on it
marble elm
its good
cerulean walrus
fast anvil
Aight ill remove it and post it there 😃
carmine lynx
How can a 440 ring same stats + socket sim lower than my 415 ?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mJyme67p8bkv2LKCBukvaL
drifting cloud
it doesnt have enchant
meager nebula
^
rigid mango
carmine lynx
oh yea , it sims correctly now , my bad , the enchant was beneath didn t see it lul i'm hella blind
still it's only a 214 dps increase which seems odd to say the least
meager nebula
214 dps for 1 enchant is pretty good
carmine lynx
yes it is , i was really debating if i should drop jewelcrafting and get the engi head , as the sim shows it's a bigger dps increase for less of a headache with the 5k each gem
haughty parrot
bgs or epic bgs to farm honor for blood of the enemy?
spice frost
Anyone have any experience with the mechagon rings “if you damage an enemy while behind them” and “then you do 5k dmg to a nearby enemy”? I have the first one 425 socketed and simming the second one 415 no socket beat my current 435 socketed by like 30 dps. Does it proc on every auto and ability?
near vortex
i just got the razor coral how do i use it most efectively?
spice frost
I’ve been doing daily wins in random and epic, will get r3 today
@near vortex use on pull/after the 20s cd if you’re also using azsharas and then consume stacks on 2nd vendetta.
From what I understand
near vortex
so just stick it on and wait for the next vendetta after the pull?
rigid mango
Consume on each vend, reapply after
near vortex
thanks mates
short token
are the pufferfish bracers as good as the frost ones?
i'm over 100+ bracers and no ori's with socket
i had no idea the pufferfish could be subbed
spice frost
Anyone got any idea about the mechagon rings I asked about above?
icy ember
yo do we activate condensed life essence every 3min or every 2min w/vendetta?
so we wait a minute w/it
glossy ocean
btw isnt the wrist the most important to get up in ilvl? since the proc is actually = the ilvl?
rigid mango
Pufferfish are realy bad on movement, equal on st and bette ron aoe
wrist > hands > waist imo
spice frost
Yea but are there actually any fights where you’d prefer pufferfish over frostbolt in tep? Maybe Za’qul but even then
glossy ocean
I mean the wrist is the only piece that has dmg in crease on ilvl
spice frost
Does belt proc not increase in dmg for ilvl?
rigid mango
Don't hands and waist too?
glossy ocean
if you look at the text on the items
spice frost
It doesn’t list the dmg but I assume the dmg increases
glossy ocean
doubt it, but maybe
rigid mango
What about the text?
glossy ocean
the text on the wrist
spice frost
Now when I get home I have to compare logs for someone with 420 and 425
glossy ocean
shows you the dmg increase on the proc
when upgrading them
the other pieces dont
I have all 4 with socket 😛
spice frost
Doesn’t mean it doesn’t increase tho
glossy ocean
No I agree with that
spice frost
I don’t have gloves. Workin in it
icy ember
do you know, zine? we hold essnce an extra minute on the 2nd vendetta?
glossy ocean
but at the same time
it would make sense since the wrist has shown dmg increase
and the others dont
spice frost
I don’t think life force benefits from vendetta since it’s not “you” doing the damage. I could be wrong though
spice frost
Why?
spice frost
Ah. Yea if you don’t lose a cast
rigid mango
Obviously.
spice frost
But if you will, use in cd right
icy ember
so we DO wait the extra minute, gotcha
icy ember
ye if you aren't going to get another vendetta, just use it
rigid mango
No, only if you wont lose a cast ove rit
Or shit syncs
Like for example, we hero on ashvane about 6 min in
thus, I don't delay
and sync 3rd one with hero
spice frost
That would also sync 4th vendetta. Only 1 use desynced
icy ember
ye so the second one you just spend because you want it up for the 3rd one
rigid mango
Well, the gain isn't huge from aligning them anyways
It's just some gain
All just comes down to timings, and most of it'll change come more gear and easier clears
icy ember
why earlier did you mention using the font of azshara 10seconds before vendetta?
when you're into the fight already
icy ember
ah i dont have coral
spice frost
4 second channel.
rigid mango
Nah, for other reasons
also it doesn't matter as long as you get your full 20 of vend inside of font
regardless of 4 pre, or 14 pre
spice frost
I’ve been lucky everywhere except trinkets. WTB coral and font
cobalt pelican
as a gamer with font you do not want font
it is the least enjoyable trinke to game wit hever
arctic walrus
Ez boss yeah
tribal marlin
I won almost 1.5k simdps for wierd reason
any fix on the apl ?
Only changeo n my gear is neck 60=>61
arctic walrus
We're wiping to them rn 
white basalt
So, how to use font of power?
cobalt pelican
when you want power
white basalt
so, right before vendetta eh
can i dump my 420 lurkers
my font of power has socket
430
cobalt pelican
use both
on use are new hotness
hehe just kidding please simulationize yourself
spice frost
@cobalt pelican yea it’s seems pretty terrible to use, but the agi too good
strange python
when do you pop life force?
arctic walrus
@marble elm were you MA
marble elm
yeah
arctic walrus
how much did you end at
marble elm
44.3k
arctic walrus
So i'm really making this fight way more complicated than it needs to be
for 1k more
severe bough
Question
marble elm
it feels like a single target fight
arctic walrus
do you ever switch or until the end
marble elm
pretty much just when i saw the opportunity
i re bled
but not actively maintaining on the off boss until the end when we swap
strange python
How do we pair font of power and coral?
gentle path
when in the opener is best time to use life-force
gentle path
i got my boots n belt today!
somber hill
anyone got a nice weakaura tracking azshara font of power
rigid mango
Betwen ma windows @gentle path
rigid mango
No.
vapid scarab
is that a no don't hold vanish or no because sub
rigid mango
Latter.
rigid mango
Swap to outlaw then
vapid scarab
yeah 70k reforge nty
arctic walrus
You guys need help 
rigid mango
I suppose saving vanish is the only reasonable way to play that
even though the gain wont be anything huge anyways
somber hill
so any nice weakauras for font of power?
gentle path
use it b4 vendetta 🤔
rigid mango
Yes?
somber hill
yes i know that i just want a weakaura that shows cd, ready, and timer remaining on buff lol
crisp rain
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arctic walrus
@marble elm imagine being forced to run vision just because method ran it, but nobody else
nimble tartan
@arctic walrus subterfuge
arctic walrus
rogue hunter spriest pally
with the pally running vision I feel like I don't need to
marble elm
we have 3 rogue
lone junco
7/8 ?
arctic walrus
Hm would you rockboy major and vision minor
arctic walrus
I mean i'd like to run blood too lol
cobalt gyro
severe bough
reeee
summer marten
doesnt even have a socket
sacred flint
do you guys blow cds on pull for M Ashvane or hold for first shield break?
somber hill
my guild is holding 2 min cds
sacred flint
thats what i started doing tonight too, awesome, ty for input
severe bough
somber hill
its cus we dont have a lot of demo locks and our best dpsers are those with 2 mins
severe bough
ah
river hearth
so is the best raid build still something like elaborate planning, subterfuge, vigor, cheat death, prey on the weak, toxic blade and poison bomb
fallow otter
im doing fine on m ashvane but we have some dps that are lacking
they should be able to step it up tho
west trench
If im going down on first delirium should i have vendetta or still use it on pull
fallow cypress
just go down 2nd delirium and vendetta should be up
rigid mango
@west trench ask to be put in 2nd, it aligns p much perfectly with vendetta
west trench
alright
rigid mango
I assume you always run lucid major there
seeing as how you run vision minor
@arctic walrus what're you running on zaq?
marble elm
im using blood vision
marble elm
yea
native fable
@cobalt gyro Noob question coming in: what’s the addon that indicates the percentage next to the secondary stat?
fallow cypress
so CLF + lucid is simming better for me but, understandably, my raid wants to use worldvein...i should be using lucid + worldvein then right?
rigid mango
Sim it.
fallow otter
yeh Zine is right just sim it, but i would imagine that you will get told by the sim to go lucid/wv if thats the case
lucid major and clf major very similar from my sims but being able to use lucid as a minor vs w/e else is the bump you get from the combo
marble elm
@rigid mango sims higher anyway https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aJRZVTxEkxb9i5EasXcQjh
candid jacinth
For people with both Ashvane's Razor Coral and Azshara's Font of Power, are you using both at the same time? I sim a lot better with both, but thought I'd confirm here
i mean equipping both
rigid mango
Yes, you use them both
drifting cloud
I do, its annoying until you get used to it
candid jacinth
okay, so font of power pre-pull and then use on cd with vendetta for rest of fight?
rigid mango
There should really be a pin about these fucking rinketns huh
drifting cloud
because im used to being afk prepull mostly 
candid jacinth
lol relatable
drifting cloud
problem is the coral because of the 20s cd
since font lasts 30s, you channel font, 10s roughly later you vendetta
then 10s into vendetta you consume coral for the crit buff
glacial glacier
anyone have an ashvane trinket weak aura?
candid jacinth
drifting cloud
theyre on wago
I didnt like the ones that had the most views atleast so I had to try like 4
fallow otter
anyone got rank 3 vision? do the sprockets only start dropping once you craft rank2
marble elm
yes
fallow otter
lame
fallow otter
can farm? or gonna take 4weeks i guess
drifting cloud
it takes 4 weeks total from 0 yeah
meager nebula
2 weeks
marble elm
drifting cloud
but 2 weeks from r2 to r3 if you do hm
meager nebula
rank 1 vision 🤢
fallow otter
@rigid mango idc 😃 just interested for getting it done - i burnt so many mats trying to proc a titanforge yellow punchcard before nerf RIP
so havent been able to craft rank2 yet to see
rigid mango
he already is
arctic walrus
good
rigid mango
also you're using vision major?
marble elm
vision major 
rigid mango
arctic walrus
big procs
marble elm
wack
rigid mango
big int
arctic walrus
but the sims
arctic walrus
"better"
marble elm
feel like that's a grief
rigid mango
better
drifting cloud
is zaqul 3 heal or 4 fight? I forgot
arctic walrus
but I just looked at where vision started showing up
drifting cloud
I wanna say 3
arctic walrus
drifting cloud
thank god ill have 65 before we kill this so its less of a grief
arctic walrus
If i'm completely wrong pls lmk 
rigid mango
idk don't u just want
nimble tartan
vision dansgame
rigid mango
the burst downstairs?
marble elm
yea
rigid mango
I think that's really hard to sim
I can't recommend simmin, what's the world come to
marble elm
sim again but just select
drifting cloud
yeah you only need the cdr right, surely minor would be better or
marble elm
vision major+minor blood major+minor lucid major+minor
drifting cloud
no matter what sim says 
rigid mango
fucking
marble elm
pretty sure that's wack
vapid scarab
do you guys have to hold vend on ashvane
nimble tartan
this guy a SIM SLAVE
arctic walrus
I really am
marble elm
i mean playing vision on a fight where u need big damage at specific points over an essence that does exactly that
for 80 sim dps
pretty questionable
hazy iron
@vapid scarab our group pops vendetta on cd as it helps us avoid our 3rd tank needing to soak so much
i think our 4th lines up with execute
vapid scarab
what do you push to after first shield
vapid scarab
our RL is literally making the entire raid save every single 2min and we're getting 68
that includes shit like cyclo
does that not just end up fucking us on a shield later on?
kind steppe
yo quick question, when I log 2 min fight on dummy and sim, the only difference I get on damage is the instant dmg of deadly poison, I guess it's because I'm doing something bad with envenom buff or maybe TB, any tips about it ?
inner tree
how does inkpod holds up against font if it crits ? can't really sim it
vapid scarab
sims go over thousands of iterations, the number you get at an end is an average, so yes, you can sim it
inner tree
that's not what i asked idc about the average
meager nebula
that's the only answer you're really going to get
inner tree
maybe someone had a personal experience because watching logs that shit does a lot of damage when it crits
marble elm
Use dribbly inker higher dopamine when big pop
marble elm
We are done today
fallow otter
for ashvane kill whats your average dps for your group?
marble elm
But like 45 % maybe
fallow otter
per
frozen karma
is there a reason why sims use the coral trinket with vendetta on pull instead of just straight up at the very start? why delay it for a few sec? wouldnt that result in less potential stacks?
marble elm
But we just got there an hour into raid today
inner tree
@marble elm wot
fallow otter
@frozen karma double on use, makes the other go on CD for 20s
marble elm
Use dribbly inker it feel better when big damage pop
frozen karma
so to make sure cyclonic blast is outside vendetta?
inner tree
idk if you're trolling but ok
marble elm
I’m just saying
fallow otter
if pairing with cyclo just hit coral asap, then cyclo once you are outside of lucid/tb/vend and wont cap energy
frozen karma
kk, I'll try it out
fallow otter
then coral again when you blow your next vend
and cyclo again when the same conditions happen, depending on procs and mechanics
inner tree
just wondering if it's worth it to bonus roll for inkpod
frozen karma
I'm just wondering why my sim holds coral for vendetta on pull when I could just use it straight up and potentially get more stacks
fallow otter
its mainly coz we are aiming for font + coral
inner tree
and tbh double on use sucks ass
fallow otter
i love it + essence
have 3 more buttons
more things to do
i miss the mini game that legion legendary created
frozen karma
it sucks but I just figured out it sims 500ish dps higher than my current setup so I'm trying to figure it out lol
inner tree
well i think font is better overall cause inkpod is just rng
maybe it's better of longer fight with a lot of stacks idk
languid ore
marble elm
Feels fine to me
fallow otter
i like it
heady ridge
question, does the pinned answer about coral also apply for font?
near coyote
still have to sim it , but is [Arcane Heart] any good?
meager nebula
its not very good no
near coyote
okiedoke
spark tiger
Can I have some advice? I'm 420 ilvl asssass, running visions rank 2 major and rank 3 lucid minor., and triple nothing personal traits on my azerite pieces. Is this viable or should I be changing my playstyle. I got told I shouldn't be timing vendetta differently from vanish. Why is this?
fallow otter
have you simmed lucid/iris or blood/lucid?
glacial glacier
i have 2 nothing personal traits and one double dose. Should i change my double dose for a shroud ?
or is double just better
glacial glacier
raid
fallow otter
yeh DD
glacial glacier
kk ty
fallow otter
but, you should sim it
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vagrant tapir
dungeon slice doesnt work for sin right?
glacial glacier
lucid dreams is my major trait, im obviously not 65 yet so what should my first minor trait be sinlge target raiding?
vagrant tapir
major lucid minor iris
glacial glacier
thanks man
vagrant tapir
until you get r3 coalesced
glacial glacier
yeah
vagrant tapir
then coalesced minor lucid
vagrant tapir
Sure
But on the whole
Major R3 coalesced is the best ST essence
with minor lucid
Like by a decent amount
vapid scarab
sure, for a generic sim profile that nobody else has the exact same gear as
vagrant tapir
Obviously all of that is underscored by the necessity to sim yourself, but thats a pretty reductive reply you can make to pretty much any statement about the relative value of anything
ends up being sort of a hollow thing to say
since its the assume sequitur to everything
vapid scarab
yep, and it's still the only accurate answer
vagrant tapir
**assumed
harsh sphinx
sims lower for me 
prob tied to how much vers you have idk
lost horizon
You can still give input on what's most likely the best combo, just slap the 'sim yourself to be sure' at the end e z
People usually want an easy answer
fallow otter
before CLF my best was lucid/iris but to many it was blood/lucid
vapid scarab
or just sim it yourself to begin with and don't even ask the question since that's the most accurate answer anyway
lost horizon
True should delete the discord
vagrant tapir
Yeah, dont ask any question ever really
just delete the discord tbh
I dont know why were even talking right now
vapid scarab
there are questions you can ask that aren't accurately answered by sim yourself
don't be pepegas
vagrant tapir
Sure, but I don't know what makes you the arbiter of that
spark tiger
Okay thank you for that. Now my other question, why is the reason vendetta has to line up with vanish? Is it for Garotte?
fallow otter
if people ask general questions we can give general answers, i agree with them tbh - some people in here pretty fast to jump onto the sim yourself train lol
vagrant tapir
It's just an obvious thing to say
lost horizon
At the end of the day there's still gonna be newbies who have never simmed before too, gotta at least try to be friendly
fallow otter
even tho sim yourself is the best move
vagrant tapir
If people are asking, they want a generic answer
Which theres no harm in giving
Since theyre clearly going for "close enough"
lost horizon
@spark tiger they stack for damage and have the same cooldown
So if you line them up you'll have them up at the same time
fallow otter
@spark tiger or MA for the crit
vagrant tapir
Either way vanish is a damage cooldown
with either talent, so its good to stack with vend
lost horizon
Or TB-vanish-env-mut-env with bote, god I'm gonna miss that shit
lost horizon
Really hope life force gets tuned down
severe bough
.. i mean who does that really
vagrant tapir
Yeah idk about r3 like force
lost horizon
It's just boring as hell
spark tiger
I have been using it offensively for the shrouded suffocation increased garrote damage usually half way through my vendetta window though
lost horizon
And bote making MA consistent feels so great
@spark tiger max garrote duration is 23seconds, vendetta is20 so
meager nebula
sin is lucky in that there are multiple essences which are viable as majors in raid content
lost horizon
You should be able to have empowered garrote for the entire duration of vendetta
vagrant tapir
If you delay vend long enough the 2nd time
fallow otter
@meager nebula yeh agree, its great tbh
severe bough
Honestly, guardian and BOTE sim so close to me
that i kinda feel them as side-grades
fallow otter
everyone popping CLF just after MA window right? thats what ive been doing
lost horizon
Life force is still +200 DPS or so for me
severe bough
life-force is like, 150+ dps. Sure, it's something
but it's not like, life-and-death different
so idk
severe bough
i even think if i get more haste and crit the difference could be even shortened
True
do you think i should use that on Ashvane?
im getting rank 3 first thing on Tuesday
lost horizon
Sim it out at the longer fight length
lost horizon
Tbh bote might be better cause it's like, what 8min fight? Idr
meager nebula
iirc clf tends to drop off a bit more the longer fights go
spark tiger
Judging by what I'm reading here I should be running ma instead of subterfuge too? Also what about master poisoner vs uhhh the combo point 10% damage talent?
severe bough
MA for the most part
vapid scarab
sim it
severe bough
combo point
lost horizon
Subterfuge pairs with SS well