assassination

[scarlet sequoia]

any1 else having navigation enchants sim better than force multiplier?

[naive ridge]

hey guys, whats the opener with bote?

[sand whale]

that sim is actually really similar to mine before when I was running plumage + punchard and haste everywhere and mastery wouldn't be bumped down no matter what so I wouldn't worry abotu it, trust in the sims

[tacit plinth]

aye

[strange python]

noob question: if the azerite gear has the traits i want but the ilvl is 15 off still worth it?

as an assassination rogue

[dark crag]

[faint harness]

@scarlet sequoia running a navigation sim atm

[peak saffron]

how are we using Condensed Life Force rank 3? after the opening garrote mutilate rupture, and then on CD?

[candid jacinth]

do you guys use unbridled fury pots or focused resolve? or does it change depending on bosses in EP

[summer marten]

fury mostly

[faint harness]

deadly nav instead of force multiplier was like a 40 dps increase

[scarlet sequoia]

i forgot to add force multiplier to the sim 😄 gonna try again mby its different

[marble bough]

@naive ridge I'm not sure of the official one, but this is what my opener looks like on a ST boss:

if you run Subterfuge + Shrouded Suffocation: Gar > Ven+Trink > Gar > Rup > Mut > BotE > Toxic Blade > Envenom > (Mut > Envenom with 4+ CP until BotE runs out) > refresh dots (or vanish garrote if no other targets/cleave) > Toxic Blade should be up so pool energy > Envenom > Mut > etc.. correct me if I'm wrong, this is just what I've been doing without looking at proper rotations

can you enlighten us @dark crag I'd like to learn a better rotation if there is one

[dark crag]

G r g vendetta bote tb env mut env

[marble bough]

so 3pt rup instead of 5?

[dark crag]

Yes

[marble bough]

I'll try that out

[weary lagoon]

Unbridled Fury pots > Focused Resolve>Agility Pots??? Plesae help a brotha out

[stark oxide]

[weary lagoon]

Doesnt seem right...#k fire dmg better than 20% crit boost

[stark oxide]

1 minute vs 25 seconds

in a 5 minute fight you have 40% uptime on the fire

[weary lagoon]

Ahhh,,,I didnt take length of time into account...preciate the explanation

https://tenor.com/view/thankyou-gif-5261112

[naive ridge]

what u think about, mut>rup>mut>garrote>veendetta>bote>toxicblade>vanish>evenom ? or im doing it wrong

[stark oxide]

you can sim that too

[sand whale]

tb then bote

[stark oxide]

Quick sim in raidbots, scroll down to the sample ability log

[naive ridge]

ill do, ty

[stark oxide]

just know that the first three globals is dependent on if mut crits or not @naive ridge

[dark crag]

41817k need better rings with sockets

[naive ridge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/t2UrFFY3NpDAp3hXQcoEPm this opener from ability log is legit?

[scarlet sequoia]

hell yeah

[celest swan]

the moment u are 28 dps behind rank1 at behemoth but used feint 6x whiel he only used it once 😦

[dark crag]

Trust your healers

I learned that vanish+barb is instant death

[celest swan]

ye 😄

[fossil nebula]

[dark crag]

You channel font, everything is alright vend tb vanish boom dead

[strange python]

On a scale of 1-10 how much do I need blood of the enemy essence?

[dark crag]

9

[strange python]

aight

[celest swan]

nope

u dont need it at all when u have condensed life force rank 3

[dark crag]

R3 raid beats it at the moment

[strange python]

they sim about the same?

[celest swan]

ye but bote kinda screws your statweights

[strange python]

Oh okay thanks 😃

[celest swan]

so in a "normal" (crit/haste) build

[strange python]

I also need to get cyclotronic blast

[celest swan]

condensed life force beats it in nearly every case

so u wouldnt say u NEED it

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't say nearly every case 😄

[vital haven]

you will when condensed life force gets nerfed

[dark crag]

The question is how will guardian scale

[quasi pewter]

why would raid essence thats good for raid get nerfed

[celest swan]

@rigid mango would u elaborate?

[vital haven]

because its the best essence for every single dps

[rigid mango]

I'm just saying I've been seeing a really good amount of sims indicating otherwise

[quasi pewter]

i dont see a problem with it being best for every dps in a raid scenario

[vital haven]

welp

[rigid mango]

Like, enough to make me say that it's not BiS for everyone

[quasi pewter]

you might aswell nerf all the raid trinkets then

[vital haven]

lets hope you are right

[quasi pewter]

because theyre so good for all the casters

[round harbor]

It's not the best for everyone

[celest swan]

hmm ye true, maybe its just what i hope 😄

[dark crag]

Nerf benthic

[round harbor]

If they haven't nerfed benthic by now chances are they don't give a fuck about balance

[rigid mango]

Is that, is that, feelycraft?

[celest swan]

but whatever sims better i would call them equal in a general rule

[vital haven]

good point @round harbor

[celest swan]

and wouldt advice someone to farm 50k Honor just to get it

when doing bg's is turture for u or u are time limited

[vital haven]

queue as alliance

during honor week

do the av quests in both sides

profit

[rigid mango]

But in that case, you would be stripped on time to play the game in gneeral and maybe wouldn't get clf early

[celest swan]

• i still think in a few weeks if gear "normalizes" clf will me go-to

(if not nerfed)

[vital haven]

but i dont wanna use CLF

dammit

i love my bote rank 3

[rigid mango]

For sure, normalized gear CLF is better

[celest swan]

the burst is really nice

[rigid mango]

Scaling wise maybe BoTE wins later

[vital haven]

seeing those envenom crits

feels so good

[round harbor]

Wait u have dmg numbers turned on

[vital haven]

ye

[round harbor]

Ee

That's a scam

[vital haven]

is that not normal

[rigid mango]

I don't see how that's weird

[vital haven]

can you even turn them off LMAO

[round harbor]

Yes

[vital haven]

im sorry i just started playing in bfa

[round harbor]

It's pure screen clutter

Imo

[rigid mango]

So is a rotation helper

[round harbor]

Nah that's a screen saver

Less weakauras

[rigid mango]

Each to their own.

[vital haven]

dude i came into bfa and i was like

im never gonna use weakauras

that didnt last long

tbf i come from vanilla pservers where weakauras is basically just tribal tattos on the screen

[round harbor]

Ok but think about it like this, does seeing you hit an envn for 70k help you in any significant way

[dark crag]

I like simple was and outside the raidpack i do them myself

[rigid mango]

[vital haven]

i mean @round harbor no it doesnt but it doesnt distract me either

[round harbor]

Or does seeing the tons of fok hits when u aoe help u

[celest swan]

rawrzillasor u have an energy bar?

[round harbor]

Ya

[celest swan]

or only number

there u go

[round harbor]

?

[vital haven]

i see your point rawr\

[ripe nimbus]

2019 still playing with damage numbers.

[rigid mango]

energy + CP all you need

[vital haven]

technically it is screen clutter

[ancient onyx]

i already hate the raid essence

it feel terrible to play

[rigid mango]

No WA's, no rotationhelpers, no dmg numbers

[ancient onyx]

feels*

[celest swan]

at soem point i like some "flavor" aswell

[vital haven]

what do you mean by feels

[ripe nimbus]

how does it feel terrible to play? its the same as the other essences u push a button and then do ur thing

[celest swan]

dmg numbers over mobs are port of it for me

[arctic walrus]

is this what opener would look like

[round harbor]

Zine what's easier to look at in a millisecond, a bar half full or a number 63

[ancient onyx]

shit ton of energy pulling

[ripe nimbus]

mut opener. POG

[tepid ridge]

TB before vanish now?

depends of TTK number of traits?

[arctic walrus]

I just pulled that off random log, I wouldn't do that personally

[ripe nimbus]

the opener doesnt really matter, u can do it how ever you want. as long as u dont majorly screw it up. any number of key presses do about the same lol

[vital haven]

i thought tb before vanish was a bote only thing

[celest swan]

i like the "env>mut>env"-vanish aswell

cause with that gear it highly likely u get 4 cp

from mut

[ancient onyx]

same

i find that vendetta combo to do better dps for me

[celest swan]

worst case is u mut again isntead and not sure how much dps los it would be compared to a tb

[ancient onyx]

even without bote

[celest swan]

but i dont think it can be much at all

[vital haven]

everyone knows that the most important thing is how high your opener is

facts

[ancient onyx]

yes

top opener or you're a pussy

[ripe nimbus]

i think the most important thing is killing the boss.

but im weird.

[vital haven]

nah

opener

[rigid mango]

@arctic walrus yeah I think so

That seems like optimal opener

[round harbor]

U can push random buttons on yourkeyboard and still parse well

In the first ten seconds rather

[vital haven]

thats why all the parses i link are the first 20 secs

[ripe nimbus]

i could roll my face on my keyboard and do a good opener.

[ancient onyx]

just get a crit

[celest swan]

well compared to some other classes our opener is meaningful. i was shadow before

thats like whatever

[vast forum]

shadow's opener is pretty fuckin meaningful, the longer your first voidform, the more stacks you have for 2nd one

[celest swan]

ok now he have to argue how long an opener is^^

[ancient onyx]

FIGHT

[vast forum]

i mean, opener is important, but the damage you do in that opener isn't

[celest swan]

i basicly mean the first spels before u are in voidform

[vast forum]

it's setting up for later

there is nothing before voidform on SP

[vital haven]

why even play the game if you dont have a high opener

[vast forum]

shadow literally opens with voidform

[celest swan]

well that aswell but evne that vf opener doesnt change much+ u first gcd insight voidform dont matter aswell for how long it would be

[ripe nimbus]

wheres the spriest channel?

[vital haven]

#subtlety

[ripe nimbus]

lul

[vital haven]

its not like anyone is using that channel for anything else\

[nimble tartan]

IMAGINE GETTING THIS https://i.imgur.com/S0AgYBb.png

and it being a 400 dps downgrade from benthic bracers fuck

[round harbor]

if only it had a socket

i might be able to bring down the gold god

and i say might very lightly cause it probly still wouldnt

[nimble tartan]

how absolutely fucked is this https://i.imgur.com/ZGBocCu.png

[dusky moon]

Say, for 425 item level, what would be a good stat distribution for raids?

[dark crag]

Ask benthic gear

[bleak spoke]

Man heck rawr

It’d still be a downgrade with a socket

Unless his weights are literally over 8

[river zinc]

Hey - so I feel that my burst with MA is a little low..is the guide in pin opener still accurate?

[bleak spoke]

Real men do envenom muti envenom in their vanish

[river zinc]

Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom

[bleak spoke]

That’s 100% wrong btw

You don’t want muti in van to not have envenom buff

That’s so dumb

If you run any double dose

[river zinc]

What I just copy pasted from the guide is wrong?

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

Definitely wrong

[river zinc]

I run 3x DD

[ancient onyx]

thats garrot opener not ma

[cobalt pelican]

same omr except not 400dps. ..

like 200 dps . .

[river zinc]

3xDD 2x ttk 1xblightborne

[vital haven]

imagine not wearing benthic gear

[bleak spoke]

If you run dd and you vanish on tox then you tox envenom muti

[river zinc]

thats 150% MA opener in guide

[bleak spoke]

So it’d be like g m r v m vanish tb env m

[river zinc]

so what am I supposed to do?

[bleak spoke]

I open g m r m v tb van env m env because I’m playing lucid

[ancient onyx]

Muti->if 4 or more cmb->rupture->Muti->garrote-> vendetta combo

[bleak spoke]

If you’re not lucid major you v before m

[vast forum]

why mutilate before vendetta ?

[vital haven]

thats the opener from the guide

[bleak spoke]

The guide is wrong

[vital haven]

i shouldve clarified i was asking a questions lmao

[bleak spoke]

I m before v with lucid cuz more vendetta uptime with mutilates in the envenom buff

And with lucid you don’t starve as a consequence of vendetta late

If you do that without lucid major you starve

[river zinc]

Garrote->mutilate->rupture->mutilate->Vanish->enven->Mutilate->enven?

[strange python]

Man it's really annoying and suspect to me that Poen's Deapsea Handguards sim higher than Aszhara gloves. Doesn't seem right.

[ancient onyx]

no thats wrong opener

u are not using MA in it at all

[bleak spoke]

You mean vendetta

[river zinc]

hmm

[bleak spoke]

With current crit rating it is worth to min max your mutis by doing m r g

[ancient onyx]

u basically have to cast Muti 2 times in your first 3 globals or u waste ma

in opener

[bleak spoke]

No you don’t

[vast forum]

yes you do

[bleak spoke]

Cuz you waste the Tb cps

If you do

[ancient onyx]

it doesnt matter

u can afford to waste them

[bleak spoke]

m r m is probably just a bit better

Yeah actually you’re right

[vast forum]

difference between all openers

is literally so minor

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it is

[ancient onyx]

true

[vast forum]

you will not feel it no matter what opener you play

[bleak spoke]

I just play to maximize dd chances though

The first thing I look at in logs is usually my mutis cast with env buff

Vs mutis outside

[vast forum]

literally 2 deadly poison crit ticks will matter more than the difference between various openers

[bleak spoke]

If it’s less than 84% on an st boss I played bad

[vital haven]

imagine not thinking that your opener is the most important part of rogue

[cunning scaffold]

yeah im so confused by everyone saying the opener doesnt matter

[raven locust]

Can you use cloak to soak the puddle on Orgozoa?

[bleak spoke]

Cuz I’ve had ~92% on muti in env

Yes you can soak on orgo

[solid nova]

Variation on opener actually impacts your dps over a boss fight by a very small amount

[cunning scaffold]

if the opener doesnt matter, then your rotation doesnt matter, then nothing matters and your dps is shit...

isnt the whole point of this discord to min max everything

[cobalt pelican]

the point is to answer basic questions ad infinitum

[solid nova]

No

[cobalt pelican]

and then go insane

and die

[ancient onyx]

😉

[solid nova]

Its a learning resource above anything, which means a variation of topics.

[bleak spoke]

Timing cd windows > bleed uptime > dd proc maximization > other shit

[cunning scaffold]

im trying to live my best life out here and the most common answer to any question is "it doesnt matter"

[bleak spoke]

Your opener can be filed under other shit

[river zinc]

this discussion has confused me more than helped. Sorry I asked

[vast forum]

literally opener variance is in the range of <0.1% dps

which is within the margin of error of the sims

[solid nova]

Yoppa is correct

TLDR

[vast forum]

i'm always right

[river zinc]

so what should I focus ?

[vital haven]

i mean if ppl wanna discuss stuff that can be categorized under "other shit" whats the big deal

[river zinc]

mutilates?

[bleak spoke]

Hey nairdra don’t you play in chow’s guild

[severe bough]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bwxkDYYeHPcvF6XwExmCFM

pog, 450 belt barely an upgrade against a 420 benthic

[vital haven]

why are ppl getting triggered about other ppl talking about openers

[severe bough]

[vital haven]

yes @bleak spoke

[vast forum]

no1's triggered

[bleak spoke]

Ayyy

[vast forum]

it's just that saying that "this opener is better than this opener" is generally pointless

[ancient onyx]

tbh opener doesn't matter, just get crits iniside vendetta LUL

[bleak spoke]

i mean it's still worth talking about imo

[solid nova]

Not useless, but just not the bigger part of where improvements will impact the over dps output

[arctic walrus]

the dream

[bleak spoke]

just usually if you don't parse good it's not because of your opener

[solid nova]

Grats

[ancient onyx]

FUCKKKKKKKKK

[bleak spoke]

that's hot

[vital haven]

gz

[ancient onyx]

im so salty

rn

grats tho

[red plaza]

grats! no socket tho ;P

[vast forum]

focusing more on keeping your bleeds up by using pandemic, get a good feeling for how/when to pool for TB

[bleak spoke]

what was the avg dps on that kill @arctic walrus

between everyone

i heard that the dps req to meet the check was 42k per person but that sounds wrong

[vital haven]

42k per person

wtf

[ancient onyx]

nah ~38k

[round harbor]

42 is usually top end

[bleak spoke]

yeah i don't even sim for 42k

lmao

some of the boomies i know sim for 50ish though

[bleak spoke]

so i thought maybe it was a possibility

[arctic walrus]

Our inkpods didn't proc

[vital haven]

imagine not simming for 42k LUL

[bleak spoke]

oh okay 40k is reasonable

[ancient onyx]

LUL

[arctic walrus]

I got mechanics guys don't judge

[ancient onyx]

yeah my guild is fucked

[bleak spoke]

i mean my guild is fucked too

but 40k is reasonable

[ancient onyx]

theres no way 10 ppl in my raid will do 40k

[round harbor]

Caring about parses on prog lolol

[ancient onyx]

lol

[bleak spoke]

compared to 42k

[round harbor]

Whatever kills the boss

Ez

[bleak spoke]

lmao if i'm not one of the like 4 people in my raid who will even do over 40k zzz

in that pure st fight

big zzz

[ancient onyx]

we have like 5 ppl that can pull 40k or more

shits gonna be rough

tomorrow

[bleak spoke]

yeah

it's tomorrow for us too

i think we're hecked

[round harbor]

We get to do ashvane tonight

[raven locust]

5 people doing 40k the whole fight?

[arctic walrus]

Can I ask the famous question guys, since I finally just got it

[bleak spoke]

no, 14 people doing 40k the whole fight

each

on avg

[arctic walrus]

hOw dO i UsE cOrAl

[bleak spoke]

LOL

okay so like

[ancient onyx]

i wish i had that problem Vel

😭

[arctic walrus]

WITH FONT

[bleak spoke]

you drag it from your character stat screen

to your bar

and you click the button or keybind it

[vital haven]

@bleak spoke you in thc or wut

[round harbor]

Woah

[vital haven]

tich*

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fMohWS32HwXFhctJJBzM4y

[dusky moon]

What's the strategy for using Asvane's Razor Coral?

[arctic walrus]

44 woo

[round harbor]

Two on uses, what will you ever do

[ancient onyx]

44k god damn

[bleak spoke]

nah, i'm just one of the boys he plays m+ with

i'm a zuljin boy

[vital haven]

ahhh

[ancient onyx]

im at 43k without coral 😭

[vital haven]

yo wtf you are not allowed to sim that high

[bleak spoke]

man heck

[vital haven]

take that trinket off

[round harbor]

435 celph

Wish I had the nuts to buy that

[ancient onyx]

44k with 1 mythic weapon is disgusting

[severe bough]

pepehands

[vital haven]

i had the nuts rawr

[severe bough]

no coral, no font

[vital haven]

got 2 blighted tribs in a row

fucking kill me

[ancient onyx]

i got 0 upgrades this reclear

anluko

[dark crag]

Got np ttk chest

[severe bough]

pog

[vast forum]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/smKcvPGXXyg1g2dhAxQ8p6

gimme coral

[analog halo]

What essence should I use for my minor slot for raiding/M+?

[vast forum]

fuck you puking at, mr shadow?

[ancient onyx]

seems like everyone has mythic weapon but me

[vast forum]

i got it today

[round harbor]

Same

[vast forum]

was hoping for some Warforging tbh

[ancient onyx]

.

[vast forum]

like i do WQs and 4/5 WQ rewards WF or TF

[river zinc]

I sim for like 38k :/

[ancient onyx]

oof

[vast forum]

then i do raids and i WF once in 5 weeks and it's a ring without a socket

[sand whale]

I gave the biggest sigh when I rolled AP today

[dark crag]

I tf'd every benthic slot to 450

[sand whale]

but then I actually looted the boss https://i.imgur.com/eWYLk7h.png

[cobalt pelican]

male nelf

ugh

[ancient onyx]

455...

[sand whale]

just needs a hole

[vast forum]

i might actually pay to go female ngl @cobalt pelican

[ancient onyx]

id scream so loud

[cobalt pelican]

yes

worth the money

[vast forum]

it's an old char

well i'd pay with gold

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rmmh7G11EZ8n4PveSSnRnk

i made it to 45 at last

next stop: titanforged coral so i don't need to play font ever

[devout gazelle]

guys which traits i need to have to play sin properly at M+? 😄

[ancient onyx]

45k without coral holy shit

that's some big boy gear

[cobalt pelican]

my highest simming gear is actually playing font/plumage

but like

uhh

that sounds gross

[dark crag]

Tomorror engi hat, should bring me over 42k

[sterile chasm]

how do you start dpsing right now with this new talent i am so fucking confused

[raven locust]

Which one

[ancient onyx]

the golem?

[dark crag]

Just press it

[weary lagoon]

!help

[rigid mango]

What's up fam

[weary lagoon]

Just trying to gauge whether SS vs Loyal trait

[rigid mango]

Simming, is the best option

[fallow otter]

im still salty af that i gambled the one chest thats unusable

[celest mirage]

is proimity the best prepot for add pulls?

[dawn coyote]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rose dome]

So do I use Ashvane's Coral trinket on CD as a "perma crit buff"... or pop it at the start of a fight and save it all the way until Vendetta for a massive crit buff then?

[raven locust]

You time it with Vendetta

So stack it for 2 mins, use as you vendetta

You use it on pull then on the next vendetta you'll pop ut

[ember rover]

If you're using Master Assassin, ideally, you want to use it 3seconds after Vanish.

[rose dome]

And then 20 secs after Vendetta again, to build it for the next 1min40secs til Vendetta again?

[raven locust]

yes

and what adrian said

[frigid sleet]

so pretty much bind it to vendetta & using it again when vendetta ends ?

APL only using at vendetta afaik

[rigid mango]

more or less, yeah

[ember rover]

APL is using it 10s after vendetta, if you have Ashvane.

If you have Azshara font*

[rose dome]

I'mma bind it to my stealth bar's Garrote with a [nocombat] stipulation, so it gets used on opener but not on vanish CDs-garrotes. Then also bind it to Vendetta so it gets used each time thereafter too.

[rigid mango]

ooh they actually changed the APL

Hadn't even looked

[frigid sleet]

I checked mine some hours ago, it was pretty much synced to vendetta thats about it, without font

[ember rover]

Without font, ye it just uses it with Vendetta.

With font, from what I know, they use Font 13s before Vendetta, then Coral 10s after vendetta.

[rigid mango]

Different with font since it's double on use

[frigid sleet]

• reuse when vendetta ends right ? thats my confusion since the APL doesnt show it

[ember rover]

Yes, you use it as soon as the Crit Conversion buff has dropped.

So that you start stacking crit again.

[raven locust]

I've seen some rogues use Font with every Vendetta and keep stacking coral till the end of the boss, not entirely sure if thats ideal

[ember rover]

That's not ideal for sure.

Font buff lasts 30s, so it's literally no waste of DPS to use it 10s before vendetta.

As you still have font uptime if you use it 10s before.

[white basalt]

can i cloak the soak mechanic on m sivara?

[ember rover]

If you're talking about Overflow, yes.

But make sure nobody stacks on you, as you will most likely kill anybody that's duo soaking with you.

[cloud wharf]

on blackwater behemoth can i solo barded shot with cloak?

[vapid scarab]

yes

[ember rover]

You can even soak one with Feint + Cheat Death, if need be.

[balmy stump]

When do i use memory of lucid dreams? when energy gets low on like 3-4 seconds left on vandetta?

Also how do i use ashvane coral?

[vapid scarab]

[somber hill]

anyone got a nice weakaura that tracks the 5% damage buff u do to the target when u proc ur azerite

fgor guardian of azeroth

or condensed life froce

[strange python]

@fallow otter same lol 5 out of 6 chests were upgrades and i rolled the one that was a 3.8% downgrade

[fading spire]

raiment club

:)

[strange python]

😃 😦

[fading spire]

least its good for +

or 10k residuum

[muted maple]

is raidbots' gear comparison tool reliable? i have a double dose +nothing personal piece at 430 and a double dose+twist piece at 420, the difference in agi is 84.

im a bit surprised to see dd+np doesnt outweigh 84 agi+twist

[fading spire]

whats the 3rd trait

[muted maple]

overwhelming power in the 420, gutripper in the 430

[fading spire]

thats prob it

[muted maple]

hm really, neglected that tier tbh lol

thanks

[fallow otter]

yeh mine will be 10k residuum

RIP

[jolly comet]

If dungeon slice on raidbots is bad for judging sin dmg what should i be using to judge whether a piece of gear is good or not sim wise?

[sullen sphinx]

What are the best keys to farm for us

Underrot atal and freehold?

[jolly comet]

those all have weapons

TD has crit mastery weapon

KR and SOB trinkets are pretty 👌🏾

[sullen sphinx]

Thanks

[bleak spoke]

Spyglass feels so good

[vapid scarab]

@jolly comet you just take some combination of SS/TtK/EB depending on dungeon, affixes, group, etc

[bleak spoke]

Also the ring in siege is big

The crit mastery one

[jolly comet]

@vapid scarab and then just get as much crit vers as possible?

[vapid scarab]

Mastery to

[jolly comet]

like i have 440 haste/mastery / crit vers pants. i just got 430 socket crit/mastery. my old dungeon slice stat weights says its way better just not usre anymore cause yall say dungeon slice is bad now

[vapid scarab]

Just not haste

[bleak spoke]

Take crit over mastery over verse over haste in dungeons probably

I think we can get to 43-44% crit this tier with enough m+ forges and sockets

Will be big

[jolly comet]

i have 7 sockets lol from the benthic and other stuff. obv the stuff doesnt work in dungeons but

[hallow beacon]

is potion of focused resolve the go to potion for single target?

[jolly comet]

thats what people have been saying in here

does really well in M+ bosses

in my exp

[hallow beacon]

Just cause i remember it wasnt earlier on

[jolly comet]

nah

unbridled fury

is the pot

[vapid scarab]

no focused resolve is bad

[jolly comet]

my bad. im bad

😛

[hallow beacon]

Ok I was just wanting to make sure

[arctic walrus]

Me need coral weak aura

[vapid scarab]

https://wago.io/Ec8lScs8H

[arctic walrus]

thanks

[faint harness]

My crit absolutely spiked through the roof when changing to R3 life-force

no more bote q

[arctic walrus]

Are people just lazy on Court and don't want to run Subt

[dark crag]

Wierd, since life r3 haste is my best stat

Lazy and not optimal azerite i say

Give it a few weeks

[arctic walrus]

Timings are pretty awkward but it definitely was more damage for me personally

People are too scared for change smh

[dark crag]

I mean i have maybe 1 piece above 420 with ss

And reforging for just 1 boss, no thanks

[civic meteor]

how are we using condensed life force as a major? i haven't seen anything on it

[vapid scarab]

after your first MA/sub window

[severe bough]

Question

Outlaw or sin, this week?

11 SOB for now

i've a good sin build btw

[civic meteor]

so popping it like 3 seconds after first vanish? i'm dumb and just want to be sure. thank you btw

[vapid scarab]

it's an 11

i mean, first MA/sub window is 3s after you pull the boss

not vanish

[severe bough]

hmm

i guess it's whatever

[faint harness]

You use it before vendetta

[arctic walrus]

Any meticulous schemers in the chat?

[faint harness]

Yikes

Is that pistoleer shoulders

[arctic walrus]

Yessir

big 445 roll :^)

[faint harness]

Got em today from first 445 gamble

[icy ember]

yo, just got the font of azshara trinket... so I use it at 6 seconds on the pull timer, then everything else is normal

[faint harness]

And before every vendetta

[icy ember]

ah i gotcha, so just have to sacrifice 4-5s

you cant melee while using it?

[faint harness]

Nope

[icy ember]

and does it put my other trinket on cd

[faint harness]

Yes

[icy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ipbrrHjmZ78MD9j6bFzzPm

no longer using lurkers

what does the duration do? does it extend for a long time?

[bronze horizon]

Off the first kill

[fathom echo]

anyone know what level BoTE is better than Lucid + Focusing for patchwerk

[fallow otter]

none for me

[fathom echo]

ive seen perfecto using it even tho its worse?

[muted maple]

damn thats beautiful...

[vapid scarab]

@fathom echo if it sims higher it sims higher

if it don't it don't

[mint prairie]

Ruinous bolt here @arctic walrus

[fallow otter]

+1 @mint prairie

really makes hording TR for ages feel worth it.... NOT

[fallow otter]

@fathom echo blood has a bunch more burst, lots of fights require dps checks/windows so blood works better for this

[proven lance]

anyone here use bartender? I'm having an issue with the bars not switching right away when I come out of stealth

[visual quartz]

havnt noticed anything myself

[last crystal]

u sure ur just not playing subterfuge

oh you're outlaw :X

[proven lance]

naw just switch to Assassination

[visual quartz]

ya Subterfuge talent technically keeps you in stealth for 3 seconds for spell usage

[proven lance]

omfg

I feel like a dumb ass lmao

[maiden siren]

[rich lily]

dude i asked questions here who are questioning the normal IQ of the mankind ... so feel free .D

[proven lance]

hahaha we;ll shit... I don't know if I like subterfuge then...

but thank you guys for helping me figure this out - is Master Assassin a decent alternative?

[rigid mango]

It's THE alternative

[fading spire]

bizza

[rigid mango]

It's better for nearly all raid encounters

[proven lance]

oh hell yeah! Thanks!

[vapid scarab]

(depending on your traits)

[proven lance]

I'm super new to Rogues and only switched to Assassination like 2 days ago, so sorry for the bonehead questions

my current set up

[rigid mango]

2312221

Is the standard setup

[proven lance]

Awesome tysm!

this is so much better !

I actually do 400 more dps simmed as well with this build!!

[prisma cypress]

so this ashvane trinket do you literally just macro it with vendetta and forget about it

[proven lance]

isnt it channeled???

or can you use abilities while its going?

[prisma cypress]

im talking about the razor coral

[meager nebula]

the coral is not a channel

[proven lance]

oooooooooooh

[meager nebula]

you're thinking of font

[proven lance]

Nevermind I'm thinking of the one off Azshara

[vapid scarab]

yes @prisma cypress

and then after 2nd vendetta you press it and wait for your next vendetta

only reason you would eat the stacks separately is if boss is going to die before your next vendetta, in that case sync it with a TB window

[prisma cypress]

is it worth it to pop it outside of vendetta if im using dribbling inkpod and the boss is about to hit 30%

[vapid scarab]

probably

[rich lily]

after seeing the last messages ... using subterfuge in m+ is superior to masterassassine or not ?

[rigid mango]

Always.

[rich lily]

So in M+ :
2212321 ?

[visual quartz]

Just got a new azerite piece with SS, subt simming over MA again, sad panda

[meager nebula]

you'd run iron wire instead of prey

iron wire is very very good

[rigid mango]

Iron wire is insane, yeah

[rich lily]

okay, thanks 😄

nice support for the Tank.

[rigid mango]

It's just insane utility

6s silence x 3 + damage reduc

[rich lily]

but i hate my buddy who is the tank 😄

[cerulean walrus]

Anyone got a Vendetta Coral macro?

I like hardly ever use macros so I don't really know the setup

[rigid mango]

I bet you can one yourself

[wooden fog]

do i use life force r3 on pull and then any cd everytime its up (3min cd)

[rigid mango]

Depends on fight length

[wooden fog]

kk

[rigid mango]

If you'll lose out on one by syncing 2nd one with 3rd vend, use on ce

Cd*

If not, sync

[wooden fog]

gotcha

[arctic walrus]

Does vendetta affect fury dmg

[vapid scarab]

@cerulean walrus
#showtooltip
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Vendetta

[cerulean walrus]

Sweet

Thanks brother

[vapid scarab]

there, now every trinket in the game is synced with vendetta

[cerulean walrus]

mega

I guess my problem is that I put Vend first? Idk

Anyway thanks again

[vapid scarab]

13/14 is the slot on your character pane, for example if you had an on use belt it would be /use 8

[cerulean walrus]

yeah

[vapid scarab]

vendetta first shouldn't do anything different

[arctic walrus]

Be a man and add them on as the expansion goes

#showtooltip Vendetta
/cast Vendetta
/cast Lustrous Golden Plumage
/cast Lurker's Insidious Gift
/cast Sinister Gladiator's Maledict
/cast Ashvane's Razor Coral

[cerulean walrus]

lul

I mean I have cyclo too so

[meager nebula]

what happens if you run out of characters

[cerulean walrus]

gotta cut that out of the macro

[vapid scarab]

you don't macro cyclo to vendetta

[cerulean walrus]

right

Yeah

[vapid scarab]

that's why it's fucking up

[cerulean walrus]

I have to take it out of the macro is what I was saying

Nah I didn't have it in

In the first place

Right, I have it on its own bind anyway

yeah its working properly. Thanks Sasquatch

[bleak spoke]

holy fuck boys, parsed a 96 on behemoth as one of the last 2 survivors https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BVc9QgZD6bjHG3TN/#fight=last&type=damage-done

fucking lmao

[vital haven]

nice dude

[bleak spoke]

literally killed it with cyclotronic while it was charging the pulse

[vital haven]

no better way to kill it

behemoth honestly is a very good sinj fight imo

all the cds line up perfectly with the phases

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it was really good

With font of power

[vital haven]

ye

[bleak spoke]

Legit just sitting on the jellyfish felt hella good

Man I yelled at our warlocks so much better they started making portal to second jelly though

Or rather from second jelly to melee

[vital haven]

you mean the fish right?

[bleak spoke]

Yeah

[vital haven]

oh ok

[bleak spoke]

The healing buff

[vital haven]

i was thinking the jellyfish between the platforms

[rigid mango]

Pufferfish

[bleak spoke]

Me small brain

We’re so fucked on the ashvane dps check though

Honestly

[forest steeple]

Probably a stupid ass question, but it doesn't make sense to use Ashvanes and Azsharas at the same time due to the 20s Cooldown on, on use trinkets right?

[bleak spoke]

I mean I used font and cyclotronic

Coral works the same wayish

Cuz you want the crit buff after master assassin anyway

[vital haven]

i literally feel physical pain

having to use undulating tides trait

[bleak spoke]

True

Af

[vital haven]

like every single time i see the debuff

i just wanna delete my account

[bleak spoke]

I might wear lower ilevel ceph jacket

Tbh

[vital haven]

if you have any other chest

[bleak spoke]

Undalating is doing jackshit for me lmao

[vital haven]

id recommend it over undulating chest

even 420

like i saw my debuff uptime on the three first fights of eternal palace

[bleak spoke]

45% uptime on undulating debuff

k i l l m e

[vital haven]

ye

the best for me was behemoth at like 40%

radiance fucking forget about it

[bleak spoke]

every 15 seconds

man

[vital haven]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xFB8MPZNw2ma6VLC#fight=last&type=auras&spells=debuffs&source=27&ability=303438

40% uptime for the debuff

so basically the undulating tide was live for 60% of the fight

[rigid mango]

Playing UT

[vital haven]

feelsbadman

[bleak spoke]

jesus that uptime on radiance

[vital haven]

its like nonexistent

[rigid mango]

I'd rather go scent

Non jokingly

[vital haven]

WTF WAS BLIZZ THINKING

[rigid mango]

Like, it's insane for dh's n shite

Classes who can mitigate dmg, but not us

Spending enery for feint just to not lose UT 🤢

[vital haven]

thing is i scrapped eveyr other chest i had

to get a chance at 445

so im fucked

[rigid mango]

Well wasn't that stoopid

[vital haven]

[tribal marlin]

If I get Residuum mission with weekly island

I can buy 445 and 430 azerite 😮

[umbral fiber]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fallow otter]

@tribal marlin i hope you have more luck than me

[tribal marlin]

I think I already spent all my luck treshold for now :/

got 445 dagger, 435 socket Coral

would it be 430 socket and I would have to trade it but god bless rng it proced 435 xD

Got all benthic really quick also

[severe sphinx]

yo guys, what's the pandemic window for rupture and garrote? ty

[strange python]

Check the pins / any guide

Go to the wowhead guide and check the rotation part of it

[muted maple]

yeah tides is so dumb i just ignore it. what's the point in runing a trait thats going to be dead 50-60% of the time in content that matters

shield is nice, but thats not our job. our job is to do damage lol

[woeful prawn]

So i managed to roll Cephalohide jacket from the vendor. Now the question is do i save up 200k residuum for the guaranteed Gorak Tul's.

[nimble tartan]

no just reroll

[cerulean walrus]

There are multiple shoulders that will do just fine

Don't save to 200k

Only one that's a real yikes is Sanguine Monstrosity

[fallow otter]

after getting blighted bullshit i'd like to put my hand up as someone that says to vote for saving

and use raid drops in the meantime

[vapid scarab]

Raid azerite

[strange python]

raid azerites more than fine if you have enough people running loyal

[fallow otter]

and you will

[rigid mango]

Not already having full stacked loyal

[strange python]

Blackwater sims higher than cephalo for me

[vapid scarab]

*bathwater

[rigid mango]

Interesting to see that

[strange python]

You mean you want me to link the sim?

[rigid mango]

I mean, I can see that happening for surr

Just amazed that loyal > dd

[acoustic wolf]

are the benthic crit damage boots still bis for eternal palace at 425?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[acoustic wolf]

what other benthic pieces should i be looking to max

[rigid mango]

Pins.

[woeful prawn]

My 420 Gorak Tul's sim higher than the 445's from Radiance lol

Raid Azerite is a damn meme

[strange python]

how much more does it sim

[arctic walrus]

@nimble tartan ashvane dead?

[nimble tartan]

yeee

we gorgonzola boys now

[arctic walrus]

Now you're already specced for gorgonzola

[nimble tartan]

exactly

i even got the shoulders from ashvane brother

445 deadshot ace im out ehre

[modest mason]

Any good sin rogues who wanna tell me how shit i am at it? https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/XaZG6vJpPj4TB2rw#fight=7&type=damage-done
First time playing it in raid

[arctic walrus]

I got a non socket coral

small victories

[modest mason]

Im Fakedh, played sin on hc only

[nimble tartan]

im happy for you

:sangry:

[harsh sphinx]

ashvane drops the garbo helm i thought not shoulders

[nimble tartan]

did you guys kill court btw

[arctic walrus]

No prepot/pot, horrible bleed uptime, missed a whole vanish

tonight?

[nimble tartan]

yee

or w.e idk the prog

[arctic walrus]

No they giga chocked on mozzarella

I was having some lag issues

couldn't carry

[nimble tartan]

u were sub ss on court right

[arctic walrus]

Yeah

[nimble tartan]

aww man

[arctic walrus]

Dude the damage

[nimble tartan]

i dont wanna play ss FUCK

i wanna feel like a chad when i vanish

[arctic walrus]

You really want rktm to think he's better tho

I gotta warn you

2 minute timers are awkward as fuck

[modest mason]

What ability do i want to use when i vanish? Envenom?

[bronze kelp]

depends on the talents u have

[arctic walrus]

you're running ma, you want to fit in 2 muts/1 env or 1 mut/2 env

[nimble tartan]

rktm sims 5k higher than me bro but im not trippin hes on my team

[modest mason]

Alright

[arctic walrus]

At least you don't get 8s on azshara

[nimble tartan]

thats just how it be sometimes bro

i got 18 on m ashvane tho B)

but my bubbler damage was hot...

[arctic walrus]

lowkey heroic azshara my worst parse

[nimble tartan]

i think its mine too

[arctic walrus]

"worst"

[nimble tartan]

97 for me

tragic

[arctic walrus]

damn it dude

i'm 96

I got 35 on ashvane but I had 3 bubbles and 2 cutters

Also our inkpods bugged out

[nimble tartan]

i was out here makin plays bro

grapple hook soaking corals

[arctic walrus]

Bro chill, blade flurry when bubbles spawn is not plays

[nimble tartan]

bro lmaooo

[arctic walrus]

That's like saying I make plays when I step back to boss after I get knocked

[nimble tartan]

#plays

my eyes peeled dude im scouting with map awareness seeing unsoaked corals

when the 2nd add comes out and you rupture garrote it #plays

[arctic walrus]

When I channel font and coral spawns under me #biggerplays

[jovial prairie]

is there a macro to make shadowstep prioritize mouseover over current target?

[nimble tartan]

lmao yo the #1 guy on public logs for sin on queens has ruinous bolt on fuck yeah

#tribeboys

/cast [@mouseover,exists] Shadowstep; Shadowstep```

[arctic walrus]

Dude let me show you my court setup

[nimble tartan]

show me

if its not triple ss lose my number

[arctic walrus]

schemer in the chat

[lusty narwhal]

Waduhek

[nimble tartan]

oh god

i ranscheming on ghuun bro that shit was trash

[arctic walrus]

I was sat on ghuun

[nimble tartan]

pepehands

[arctic walrus]

bro I sucked in uldir for some reason

[nimble tartan]

did u cheese the decree with detection

[arctic walrus]

Hell yeah brother

Only when I was low on energy and not inside tb

[nimble tartan]

honestly u fr could just eat the silence

does it damage u on m or something

[arctic walrus]

It's just annoying on mythic tryna push dmg

Nope it's the same

the most horrible part of that fight is the movement

now that melee have to eat charges and get knocked

[glad compass]

how best do we use the cyclotronic on use from the mechagon trinket + coral?

[winter moss]

cyclo when low energy outside of tb, vendetta

coral

[ruby idol]

Yo i also ran scheme on ghuun!

Procd off my crimson vial when i went to run every pull!

[nimble tartan]

honestly our brains are so wrinkled

[warm ibex]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uX3mjfvBnYSjFpY1P9kbUm

currently R3 Lucid and R3 iris minor are simming highest with DS and mastery stack, any clue what the idea opener would be? i know the sample rotation is shown in raidbots, but anyone else had success with anything else?

[arctic walrus]

Did y'alls sims go down

scroll down

[winter moss]

why should the opener change?

for what reason?

[timber meadow]

so in the pinned for benthic it's llike frost dmg wrists / puffer

does that mean basically either or

or that you wanna get both

[gleaming prism]

how do we fit Condensed Life-Force into our opener ? checked some logs but they all seemed kinda weird

[timber meadow]

so if im tight on pearls and got the puffer socketed

i shouldn't prioritize rolling for frost dmg

[signal summit]

Have people started to use raid essence yet or stickning with r3 bote ? Im at holiday with crappy internet so wanna know How it performs

[next needle]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[strange python]

Should I really be going for such high mastery when my haste is so low? I feel starved so much.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hhGotfLnTqbL8kk3Cigzn4

[signal summit]

I know r3 Sims the best But it doesnt have to performe the best

[next needle]

Neck about to hit 55, lucid rank 2 today aswell, lucid in starter slot and crucile of flame rank 2 in 55 minor ok?

[quasi pewter]

you should sim it , but generally those are decent yea

[stark bone]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[low junco]

@strange python you sim higher with mastery in sockets/ring enchants just because ur using the coral and lucid dream

coral gives u crit on use and lucid is just extra regen

which is the reason why u need haste

i believe

[bleak spoke]

How are you starving with lucid

[low junco]

starving?

[bleak spoke]

I so angry about having to push so many buttons

[low junco]

its not a lot

tho

[bleak spoke]

He was complaining about not having enough haste

[sharp viper]

smash buttons harder, deal more damage

[low junco]

do i smash enough?

[bleak spoke]

Man the lower apm the more I can look around and plan

[low junco]

ashvane btw

[strange python]

Yeah, After lucids on CD I usually have to sit an pool a lot, which is why I felt like I need more haste. /shrug

[bleak spoke]

Wait what was your raidwide dps

Like

[low junco]

raidwide

[bleak spoke]

How much overall total

[low junco]

monkaS

[full dune]

have a question.... Toxic blade sometimes doesn't give any combo points while behind boss, is it normal?

[bleak spoke]

Cuz we be worried about the damage check

[low junco]

overall as of

[bleak spoke]

The raid total

[low junco]

i dont get u xD

[bleak spoke]

At the very bottom

Bottom right corner of that

[low junco]

oh

533k

but thats not a good pull

[bleak spoke]

I’m trying to figure out if my kill can actually kill it lmao

[low junco]

only if i get

the mechagon trinket

[bleak spoke]

My raid*

[low junco]

ill pump more

ashvane is a dps check

u just need to wait for the moment

🙂

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

But my guild is depleted

[low junco]

mine isnt "depleted"

[bleak spoke]

We have like 4-5 people who can pump but

[low junco]

first pulls on progression people are brainfarting

[bleak spoke]

Like 3-4 actual deadweight

[full dune]

any1 can help with some info???? is it normal for toxic blade to miss while behind boss and not give combo point but still activate?

[low junco]

and this log is after clearing full hc + 3/8 for 3 hrs i

i guess

yes

miss as of it gets parried? @full dune

[bleak spoke]

No if you don’t get parried on Tb it doesn’t get parried

Lmao

So you weren’t actually behind it

Gets weird when you’re in the bosses model

[full dune]

didn't see what happens but sometimes i don't get any CP while behind boss and use toxic blade

so i have to use extra mutilates feels bad

[bleak spoke]

Losing a Tb window feels giga shit

[low junco]

my mutilates get parried aswell sometimes

idk

[fallow otter]

my guess is not behind? maybe visual?

[bleak spoke]

If the tank is turning the boss it gets weird too

Or on taunt swaps

[fallow otter]

ye

radiance

for example

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[steady grotto]

Yeah I get parried on radiance

[bleak spoke]

I don’t think bleed applications can be parried but everything else is aids

[low junco]

idk i dont really care if i miss my tb as long as its not in my cd range

[steady grotto]

I get parried on sivara too it's lame

Need to tank it a different way

[full dune]

ty for info gonna try different angles and see if it's better:) if not gonna blame tank=))

[steady grotto]

It's the right thing to do 👌

[low junco]

the right thing to do is to blame everyone who stands in ur way

[lime path]

almost at stat equilibrium

feelsgoodman

[fallow otter]

not me, im a haste eating machine now since essence swaps

condensed3/lucid3 ofc

[low junco]

can u send me the sim link @fallow otter

i mean send it here

xD

[fallow otter]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aSkfTATq71DUTuWcNACq9p

[low junco]

damn

nice dagger

[lime path]

ur a monster

im only 1 ilvl behind you

and 4k dps behind

lucid3/iris2

[low junco]

i think

[lusty narwhal]

440 ring tho

bet that cost an arm and a leg

[low junco]

i see why u simming high haste

not playing lucid actually just looks weird to me

idk why

[fallow otter]

@lime path thats exactly how my stats were before essence swap (same ones as you)

[low junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hyrsDnLJuTCbo22GbqCGee

posting this for the weird flex

i know that pants are utter trash aswell

[fallow otter]

your azerite makes me sad

[low junco]

i got quite lucky

[fallow otter]

green af

here is the feelsbadman i got from my gamble

[low junco]

maybe if i get a better chest ill be able to go blight

[low junco]

unlucky

i dont even remember how good those shoulders are tho

[fallow otter]

bis by a long shot

[low junco]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

if i get a 445 dagger

[fallow otter]

can make a bunch of other stuff fit because they have BBI and NP

[low junco]

ill do the big pumps

yeah

[fallow otter]

i dont even want to look at the sim my guildy will have now

455 dagger man, and 3x mythic azerite

[low junco]

dude in fckin eu

making a 440 ring

costs around 100k

[fallow otter]

my server is empty

mine was rediculous

[low junco]

never heard of it aswell

[fallow otter]

anyone been back to BOD

we killed first boss in 40s

lold hard

we just clearing for mount farm for a few that havent got yet

[low junco]

dude

[lime path]

can you do mythic x-realm for previous raid tiers?

or nah

[low junco]

there were so many people praying for the mount

and who would've cried if they didnt get it

and i am staying here with my favourite mount which is sapphire pantera

you can @lime path

[lime path]

o.O