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#assassination
shy dust
sweet flame
re: shoulders tho, the radiance shoulders are pretty close to gorak for me with 4loyal
magic thorn
Well you can channel in stealth, but only with subterfurge
If you have picked ma it breaks your stealth
vital haven
even if they werent
sweet flame
prolly because your gloves aren't socketed
stable yarrow
yeah but harder to gamble
vital haven
id go for gloves first
stark oxide
I mean you need all 4 benthic op pieces in the end regardless
stark oxide
Also, you could have done that sim way easier with droptimizer
stable yarrow
6 pieces but 2 good ones
bold hearth
Yea, I'm just trying to prioritize.
sweet flame
eh, belt/gloves I'm pretty sure can be replaced with raid gear
vital haven
i guess you can settle for fathomstalker
shy axle
how much better are the bentic pieces? Did not bother so far with wrists and belt (got 440 socket and 450 socket in those slots)
stark oxide
Not really, no. The closest competition is the gloves and belt from azshara, which underperforms in comparison by my sims
vital haven
better than 455 socketed gear in some cases
atomic saddle
approx 0.3%-0.5% dps better than bis gear
vital haven
like the boots are straight up bis forever
shy axle
so far boots are the only ones i am using
vital haven
i got all of them yuuss me
if you guys have any alts that havent done naz i highly recommend it
you get like 70 manapearls right off the bat
stark oxide
Yeah I've spent 1500 manapearls and still only have hte boots
autumn trench
stable yarrow
445 azshara gloves & belt are like ~50 dps better than socketed benthics
vital haven
what you guys think of benthic geasr
naive latch
Just got the fathomstalker wristwraps with socket (pufferfish) is it worth uprading or should I wait for Ori's???
vital haven
those are the seconmd best
stable yarrow
upgradee
vital haven
i got those first but double downed and spent more pearls to get the ori
if im gonna go hard on benthic im not gonna settle for the second best benthic pie e
grand scheme of things not that big of a difference really
stable yarrow
Yea
naive latch
Thanks
lone loom
got lucky on that coin I guess? pog
sweet flame
nice
fallow otter
FML
sweet flame
same thing happened to me lol
vital haven
LUL
cobalt pelican
at least you can play echoing blades : [ )
vital haven
I FUCKING HATE THIS AZERITE SYSTEM
can we just get them from like m+ or something
its like every week fucking playing the slot machine
shy axle
nah man, that would go against the emersion!
tiny finch
Hello guys! About pooling energy for toxic blade,what is the number that i should aim to start dumping mutilates?
sweet flame
to never get anything
tiny finch
im going triple double dose
shy axle
Well it is what it is, I got blood beast shoulders. If i get goraks next week its cool.
sweet flame
to do manapearl dailies for weeks on multiple characters and still not have boots
shy axle
or tentacle
vital haven
@tiny finch what do you mean?
sweet flame
basically just don't cap energy or let your bleeds die before/during TB
vital haven
ye just dont cap
tiny finch
I read on some guides that its important for min maxing to pool some energy for toxic blades windows
to use the Double dose full potential
sweet flame
yeah
vital haven
ye just make sure to not energy cap
sweet flame
you want to pool, but you just don't cap energy
tiny finch
so i try to plan my toxic blades uses pooling some energy before
sweet flame
and get as much energy as you can
tiny finch
i am getting 75ish energy more or less
So is there a sweet spot so i dont lose dps?
or just 'dont cap' is good to follow?
vital haven
depedns on talents
shy axle
don`t forget it is okay to use Tb at 5cp
tiny finch
any number before capping
vital haven
haste levels
sweet flame
just don't cap or let your bleeds expire
vital haven
itws a feel thing
tiny finch
im going master assassin, no shrouded suffocation
sweet flame
or rather, don't make it so you'd need to apply bleeds during tb
tiny finch
aah i see
vital haven
like ive been making mistakes and capping energy during pooling because now energy regen is insane
tiny finch
"or rather, don't make it so you'd need to apply bleeds during tb" this is so hard haaha
but im getting used to
@sweet flame
oh yeah @vital haven the memory major / minor is so good, sometimes i tend to cap energy on its uses
vital haven
there is no magic number really
sweet flame
yeah, if you get lucky with the procs during lucid it can be hard to not cap
vital haven
because you can have a talent like vigor which increases your energy regen
and also increase the energy cap
tiny finch
Gotcha man, the no bleed on TB already gives me a new mindset on its uses now
yes im using vigor
vital haven
btw at some point deeper strat is gonna be the play right?
tiny finch
what i know is that its working wonders for outlaw on pve specifically
with ace stacking
sweet flame
I doubt ds will be the play
we had really insane energy regen in antorus with the tier set and still stuck to vigor
stark oxide
I feel like DS would only be the strat with 3x TTK
sweet flame
the higher energy cap from vigor is quite nice to avoid capping and let you pool longer
urban drift
Hi guys. New rogue and was just wondering what m+ dungeon would give me the most possible rewards if my guildys give me a boost. My gear is poo at the moment. So just want to maximise gear possibilities.
marble elm
Ds was simming 1-200 higher for me at the start of the tier with lucid Major
serene basin
Freehold, Atal, Tol Dagor are fast and good dungeons for gearing @urban drift
You could also do Mechagon as well weekly
celest ruin
anyone with leatherworking? does the 440 crafted boots beat the benthic one?
royal lantern
goraktuls mantle from the first shoulder 
turbid osprey
cloak of the restless tribes, thats two in a row. love the m+ chest >.>
quiet abyss
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wheat bobcat
How did you guys grind for BotE?
tall narwhal
If i have 3xNP traits should i be considering vendetta essence?
urban drift
@Phil thanks mate.
marble elm
@tall narwhal no
tall narwhal
Okay thx
balmy cradle
@wheat bobcat spamming bgs in bg bonus honor week
quiet abyss
gutripper or heed my call
as talent
just for singel target focus
for raiding
whats better ?
cold rampart
rigid sonnet
is rank 3 blood of the enemy the best major slot essence? condensed life force and crucible both sim higher for me atm with lucid in minor, thinking if it's worth grinding out rank 3 blood when I can prolly get life force before that
vital haven
unless life force gets nerfed
quartz depot
lucid 3 sims higher than blood 3 or life 3 for me, so who knows
hollow junco
i would assume you have really low haste
lusty burrow
can you shadowmeld to restealth on boss fights?
winter moss
am actually going to kms
vestal wren
not funny mac
strange python
hey i have a question.. on raidbots i have this as opener
can this be real ? i mean overcapping points ?
mossy ferry
hey nice, 25 ilvl upgrade!!
winter moss
first gamble piece in s3 worst in fucking slot
icy ember
yo, you are why i dont just buy a piece
icy ember
your trinkets are suffering there, need to get a compendium/lurkers
cobalt flame
Hey guys , any info if Azshara's font of power canceling stealth since reset is intended?
winter moss
again @severe bough 's sim
icy ember
ye i realize that xD
stable plinth
Did it not break you out of stealth before reset? @cobalt flame
stiff field
Won't break stealth if you have subterfuge talented
icy ember
what are you guys talking about? potion of unbridled fury?
cobalt flame
font of power trinket
cobalt flame
it didnt for me last week but it does now
and yeah for some reason it doesnt break with subterfuge talented
But it worked perfectly even with MA last week
cobalt flame
now what is a bug , it breaking stealth with MA or it not breaking stealth with sub
icy ember
cobalt flame
so it breaks with nightstalker , only sub on that row is working with it
small hollow
Not sure if this get's asked a lot, since I just started playing again, but which of the benthics should be the first priority to get?
arctic walrus
Did anyone's sim go down by 1k
cobalt flame
mine went up like 1,5k
severe bough
Im back
proud yarrow
my sim is fucking with me im running 3ddand 3 np but now it wants me to run sub instend of ma with 1ss
median sand
Are there any boss abilities in Eternal Palace that I can counter with dark iron racial for additional stat gain? I've just been using it on pull for baseline boost
severe bough
Btw @winter moss ty, buying 5 crit gems as soon as i get home
misty tusk
Was Unbridled Fury the go-to pot now?
severe bough
Yes
next yarrow
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strange python
@small hollow generally i believe Boots are number one especially if you're running MA
small hollow
Thank you very much 😃
icy ember
and what about the belt? the abberation belt?
rigid sonnet
strange python
@icy ember belt is pretty good but only really useful on two bosses i believe
Boots and Bracers were my go to first
icy ember
ye, i have the boots/abby belt both gemmed and 420, im struggling to get the bracers tho
icy ember
ye which bracers do you want?
strange python
frost dmg ahead
rigid mango
Ori's
strange python
but only by like 60dps
at least on my sims
imo if you get iether socketed run them
simple meteor
my sim use ash trinket on 3rd vendetta should i do it then or 2nd?
tribal marlin
you have font right ?
kindred cedar
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/xDnvbHAQJjPChBy1#fight=last&type=damage-done
What am i doing wrong? whats to sort out? Much appreciated for assisting me in an answer!
simple meteor
yeah i pop it on start but when should i use the crit efffect on which vendetta?
2nd or 3rd?
simple meteor
i see thanks
kindred cedar
Anyone could spare a minute or two and look at logs i linked? highly appreciated ❤ 😄
sick eagle
what's the opener with master assassin?
scarlet sequoia
mutilate
tall narwhal
On ravenholdt it says garrote🤔
solid nova
- Suuper minimal gain with Blood to not Garrote during Stealth/Master Assassin in the opener, so it becomes Muti->Rup->Muti->Garrote->... or Muti->Muti->Rup->Garrote->... with Rup at 4+ depending on Seal Fate CP. This is really negligible over the course of a full fight but if you wanna minmax for MA opener burst, there you go.
Guide hasnt been updated to reflect
final dust
@is that only for BotE?
kindred cedar
Nobody can look at logs?
kindred cedar
Yeah
Getting raped by the other rogue and i have no idea tbh whats going wrong lol
Send me a Pm when u got time and took a look, raiding atm so i dont miss it. Much appreciated, thanks alot
near coyote
IF Im 3x double dose and x3 nothing personal should i [Master Assassin] over [Subterfuge]?
median sand
Sim would confirm, but I would assume so
serene basin
@near coyote yes
steady grotto
is it still correct to double mut in opener even if you aren't using bote?
hasty vale
May be a stupid question, but what are the stat weights for double dose? Do I want more Mastery for that build rather than haste or?
crisp steppe
pick ilvl
outer kernel
hey guys u still play with both raidtrinkets ?
crisp steppe
or sim your character
royal lantern
they are both good
junior flume
How are you using ashvanes in combination with font?
royal lantern
but remember that the inkpood is basicly ussules on progression until you actually reach 30%
crisp steppe
check tc @junior flume
junior flume
tc?
dense axle
tc-research
junior flume
Ah gotcha 😃
near coyote
does [Double Dose] change anything rotation wise if you have 3?
atomic saddle
What classes is Inkpod best on for mythic prog?
stable yarrow
Ashvane
winter moss
nice stats btw
near coyote
I thought haste was best
atomic saddle
I asked for classes, not for bosses :D
solid nova
red plaza
With Lucid dream essence haste has gone down a bit
hasty vale
@winter moss so I should dump haste cause im sitting at 20%
red plaza
narrow orchid
i read the pin about the coral but i guess im a bit thickheaded, so i press it with vendetta and when do i use it again then for the crit?
scarlet sequoia
2nd vendetta ! ! !
obtuse ruin
does raidbots hate Echoing blades for dungeon slice or are they that bad now?
red plaza
I think with reaping gone, it might have changed the weights of the traits a bit? At least 1 EB for sure is the way to go for sin in M+
obtuse ruin
traits so confusing now...no idea if I want to run 3 SS and EB or 3TTK and EB
balmy cradle
Is assa dungeon slice sim good? Or go with 5 targets sims?
scarlet sequoia
u could do 5 target yeah just make sure its not set to 5 min duration and do stuff to the buffs etc
so u dont sim with lust and shit
tribal marlin
@near coyote yes it does. I think Koji looked into it in tc channel but basically the idea is that with enough DD trait you will use mutilate as a builder even in 3target cleave situation
near coyote
ah
tulip tide
soo.. for people that have done delirium realm as a sin rogue on heroic, at what stacks do you cloak the hysteria off?
serene basin
@obtuse ruin 3 SS for sure still, 1-2 EB and 1 TTK is solid
near coyote
Sim shows EP higher than Master Poisoner by 1% but I wonder thats assuming i keep perfect EP time up right?
obtuse ruin
@serene basin Gotcha right now im debating between 3SS 1 TTK 1 Blight 1 EB or just 2 EB
serene basin
I run with 1 EB, 3 SS, and 1 TTK and its fine
its a good balance between trash and boss dmg
obtuse ruin
whats the last one
serene basin
you don't want to sell yourself too short running 3 EB I think
trash pulls aren't as big as they used to be
obtuse ruin
thats 5 traits that im running too
the last one either EB or blightborne im guessing
serene basin
I think my last one is SoB, just cause
obtuse ruin
aah
serene basin
it was that or like tradewinds or something meh
stiff grotto
opening with blood of the enemy?
obtuse ruin
you got a sim that I can see? Just curious 😛
serene basin
nah unfortunately 
tulip tide
opening with blood of the enemy and master assassin i think is
[ muti - rupture - muti - garrote ] OR [garrote - muti - rupture - muti ]
into vendetta-blood - toxic blade - vanish - envenom - muti - envenom
right?
go for first if you trust your crit !
sometimes you only get 3cps..
scarlet sequoia
toxic blade -> blood
cold patio
how to use coral with font?
tulip tide
really? that's not what pretty much every top logger is doing tho..
plus if you do that, they don't line up perfectly as if you do it the other way around, right?
tulip tide
blood is 10sec, TB is 9
scarlet sequoia
what are u saying
white basalt
For zaquul, my RL insists I go down for the haste buff to put big dick damage on the boss. But to be honest, it doesnt even feel like a DPS gain since I'm almost GCD capped anyways. Additionally, I'm still using Lurker's and having to work around that while trying to stay alive isn a pita. Am I wrong for bugging him to stop sending me down?
scarlet sequoia
you want as much out of the 5 sec 25% crit dmg as possible
tulip tide
huh.. i misread every single log i looked at 🤔
vocal kelp
@white basalt just unequip lurker and enjoy the parses
red plaza
The haste makes your bleeds and poisons tick faster
white basalt
So....I am wrong....lol
rare arrow
What's the fastest way to farm the 50k honor
balmy cradle
@scarlet sequoia i know i could do 5 target sim but do i have too? Or is dungeon slice good enougj for assa?
scarlet sequoia
no clue mate
tulip tide
anyone know if you can purge hysteria with dark iron racial?
stable oxide
Does it matter on which weapon I do my enchants?
Does force multiplier always need to be on mainhand?
sick cradle
is there a tl;dr on ashvane and azshara trinkets together?
I read the discussion whenever it was, but don't really remember the conclusion
strange python
What is the better?
serene basin
"overwhelming power" - Protoss Archon
strange python
Ok ok, thx 😃
And, for MM+ and Raid, it's better to have 2 SS & 1 Nothing Personal or 3 SS?
Or 2 SS & 2 Twist the Knife
stable oxide
Does it matter on which weapon I do my enchants?
Does force multiplier always need to be on mainhand?
sick cradle
It doesn't matter
stable oxide
cool
shell saffron
do we have a list of bis benthic rolls ?
placid dawn
check the pins
"But what Benthic gear should I get?"
Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations / Physical damage
Wrist: Frost damage/Puffer
Roll for these with a socket see: https://www.wowhead.com/guides/benthic-gear-effects-nazjatar
shell saffron
nice ty
strange python
When should I be consuming my Razor Coral stacks? During cd usage / lust?
quasi pewter
gloves are missing in pins
placid dawn
@strange python also on the pins
basically, use with vendetta
or inkpod trinket if you have
safe bay
So i want to be using unbirdled fury yes?
rigid mango
Yes
safe bay
and spellcheck
rigid mango
?
safe bay
I spell unbridled incorrectly
trail path
Hi guys - Personal preference check here. Would you go with a 2nd Nothing Personal trait. Or a single Blightborne Infusion? Sim shows 2 dps difference.
bold folio
Can somebody with Subterfuge and Ashvane Trinket check, if using Trinket out of Stealth doesnt trigger Subterfuge? Drives me nuts, trying to make it in a macro with Garrote, doesnt work. Both applied, no Subterfuge. ._.
serene basin
personally, I'd go with 1 blightborne @trail path it procs quite often
could be the difference between a 2CP or 4CP mutilate
trail path
Was thinking the same, I guess if it was a first NP then it'd be different
latent gazelle
Make sure garrote is casting first from stealth?
bold folio
Macro was /cast Garrote, /use 13
But doesnt matter, even if I use just the trinket, no buff despite it breaks stealth obv
strange python
Idk why you would want to macro them together tbh
narrow orchid
Hmm recommended talents for radiance mythic?
shy axle
the dps gain with tides times 0.5 for realistic approach? True or was that a joke
bold folio
Ye I mean I tried a macro to pair it with Rupture which I just use from stealth, that works and that doesnt cancel the Subterfuge Buff
So it has to be buggy, idk
Just wanted confirmation i guess :D
amber sun
is the phial from radiance any good? looks bad on st but maybe for m+?
true thistle
is there list of azerite items that i should go for? or just look 4 traits
ive been out of meta for so hecken long
tardy ether
font channel breaks stealth now? :x
bronze holly
woah, why did font of power drop so much in sims?
harsh sphinx
with MA talented, not sure if that's intended
tardy ether
I could've sworn it didn't last week
shy dust
Are you using subterfuge
tardy ether
nah MA
trail path
I have a 440 w/ socket and it's pretty poor full stop @amber sun
shy dust
It’s been breaking stealth consistently for me with MA for a week or so
tardy ether
oh well that's annoying
fallow estuary
blood or rank 3 life force?
for major
idk man sims tell me blood - but sims told me lucid major before 😂
and lucid major is trash af
bronze holly
Is it? I love lucid major
severe bough
For me life force only simmed 130 more than blood rank 3
I might just use blood because it looks cool idk
polar forge
rigid sonnet
how do u use azshara's font of power? just channel it on pull before popping cds?
fukn hate on use trinkets
why they gotta be so good
scarlet sequoia
ye just use it ~5 sec before pull
rigid sonnet
ew
scarlet sequoia
its easy to use
scarlet sequoia
?
rigid sonnet
and energygettincapped
scarlet sequoia
what are u saying
steel kraken
The pull hasn't happened yet...
scarlet sequoia
you use it 5 sec before pull
scarlet sequoia
what do u think the trinket does rofl
steel kraken
It's like Evocate
nova pagoda
5 sec before pull then stealth and pot
steel kraken
Lmao
steel kraken
Nice grats!
scarlet sequoia
quick sim and check the rotation bot uses
daring basalt
With master assasin mutilate
serene basin
in case this was driving anyone else nuts, small indie company btw
regal carbon
The amount of things that knock me out of stealth is maddening
scarlet sequoia
i hit 45k when i get it
sweet flame
193 boots later, finally socketed crit boots
strange python
for real ? 😄
urban junco
Wow
I'm hearing a lot of the same thing after the nerf
just mega bad luck on rolls
urban junco
oof
sweet flame
I got the belt from the first quest I'm pretty sure
bold folio
Gorak Tul 430 First Try lel
Guess I used my rng for this week
So no socketed Benthics for me (:
shy axle
nice grz
sweet flame
385 benthic vs 430 boots. nice design blizz
rigid sonnet
k this font trinket is pretty fucking dope
works real well with coming back for cds
lovin it
sweet flame
yeah font is awesome
sweet flame
why is that
sweet flame
you have to delay your first coral a bit
rigid sonnet
but can imagine coral feeling a lot worse
haughty parrot
20
sweet flame
not in combat
sick cradle
because you can't pop coral with vendetta
sick cradle
yeah, which desyncs it from vendetta
mystic timber
What is the most optimal way to use ashvane razor coral?
sweet flame
dump stacks with vend
haughty parrot
On vendetta cd
sick cradle
you still get usage of it with vendetta, but it isn't as nice as otherwise
sweet flame
sure, but it's still the best trinket setup in most cases right
like
it's no more cancer than any other trinket setup if it performs the best
sick cradle
what, it's still more cancer
mystic timber
What is the best trinket yo use with ashvane razor coral?
sick cradle
Just because it performs the best doesn't mean it's not cancer
probably font of power
sweet flame
to me, cancer implies something that is like unfun or unintuitive
whereas 2x on-use trinkets is just something that exists
sick cradle
yeah, and it doing much damage has nothing to do with that
sweet flame
it doesn't impact you to have to wait on using coral
you use just use it later
it doesn't change anything of importance
sick cradle
not being able to use it where I want to use it falls a bit under unfun, no?
keen bloom
Can I check whick gems are the best for my setup?
bold folio
Sure, Raidbots does that for you.
sweet flame
use raidbots to sim gems/enchants
keen bloom
I tried but it wont try the other gems
sweet flame
in top gear?
keen bloom
ye
bold folio
wdym "wont try"
sweet flame
did you check the box?
sick cradle
did you check the box?
keen bloom
do i need to remove the gems first ?
sweet flame
bold folio
you have to check "replace"
sweet flame
but re: coral + font, I guess I don't consider it more or less fun to use coral at a specific time. it's just like...part of executing the rotation and cooldown use you know.
cancer to me is like...running cyclotronic + on use
with lucid
hollow stone
Using two on use trinkets, while can be good, feels terrible to play
sweet flame
and having to delay cyclo forever because of lucid and not wanting to cap energy
sweet flame
do you have benthic gear and a bunch of sockets?
bold folio
nooope.
sweet flame
ye, prob why
bold folio
i mean ye i have, but no sockets.
sweet flame
ilvl is a meme atm with how dumb sockets and benthic gear are
sweet flame
each benthic piece is like 1.5-2% gain over basically anything else you'd get
crystal sparrow
Hello Here , i juist dropped https://www.wowhead.com/item=169311/ashvanes-razor-coral&bonus=4798:1487 and i'm not sure how to use this ? should i use it on CD or wait stack to grow and then use it ? is there a soft cap of stack before using it ? ^^"
sweet flame
tropic ocean
can confirm
sick cradle
lol @sweet flame I love cyclotronic, since it gives you something to do during pooling
So I guess we just have different views on what's cancer
sweet flame
I like it, I just don't like it with a second on-use trinket
whereas coral I don't mind
crystal sparrow
i dont see the info on the pins :/
sick cradle
for me, cyclo negates the issue with double on use
solemn meadow
sweet flame
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
crystal sparrow
ho ok many thanks
stable plinth
Any genius know how many ruptures its worth keeping up on orgozoa for most boss damage?
sweet flame
play outlaw, become pad king tbh
sick cradle
he asked for boss damage though
stable plinth
Raid doesnt need more add damage
stable plinth
Was thinking 1 or 2 ruptures
sweet flame
6 bleeds?
valid spoke
Do you use Razor Coral on pull?
sweet flame
yes
you want to apply the debuff asap to get stacks
unless you have some other on-use
then I'd prolly opt to delay coral in most cases
given its build-up nature
you lose like...1-2 stacks by delaying
idle ember
I failed hard on a lot of the benthic gear early on, got the stats, got the sockets.. did not get the extra abilities tagged on many of them though. 😐
hollow stone
The stats are static on benthic gear tho 🤔
sweet flame
r3 cdl still lower than lucid for me 
sick cradle
wait really?
sweet flame
ye
faint harness
sweet flame
sturdy dust
Dear god it's beautiful
sweet flame
lol
faint harness
doesnt use it 
sturdy dust
gross
faint harness
too lucky
sick cradle
That's a pog if I've ever seen it
sweet flame
we recently had to regear a tank, pretty sure he's already like 436 equipped after being like 405 last week
some insane luck on drops
cosmic pier
finally cracked 40k with some very Pepega traits https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ufvivcVhZxBB8kG8KYjZ6v
sweet flame
and our lock is 441 which is just like wtf
drifting cloud
amateur hour, a guildie got 455 from normal 1st week on his alt 
sick cradle
crap, I don't have it yet but simmed r3 cdl and lucid beats it for me aswell
rigid sonnet
how do I use life force? just on pull before I start cds n TB?
sweet flame
you use it right before vend
cosmic pier
played outlaw on radiance today, giga pad
sweet flame
I've only play outlaw on zaqul so far I'm pretty sure
been sin for everything in mythic
sick cradle
I'd rather play sub than outlaw, RtB triggers me so hard
sweet flame
I really wish sub were better
definitely my fave spec
sin really needs kingsbane again imo
sweet flame
I missed out on rogue during wod 😦 but the one in my guild was a huge pumper
sick cradle
The most rewarding opener ever, but fuck up and you tank your dps
sweet flame
with soul capacitor 😩
sick cradle
oh god, that trinket
Loading damage for so long, and then the boss runs away right when it's going to burst
sweet flame
I played guardian druid in HFC
and soul cap for heart of the wild parses
was so juicy
sick cradle
haha, nice
scarlet sequoia
u kinda want both
gray citrus
which is the other?
scarlet sequoia
aberration belt is good for 2 bosses
sweet flame
vim's
buoyant kraken
can anything tell me how to use azshara trinket optimally?
sweet flame
5 seconds before pull, resealth, pre pot
then again ~4-5 seconds before vend comes up
sweet flame
delay coral
apply at ~15-16 seconds into the fight
use stacks on second vend
the later part
that is
sweet flame
ye
gray citrus
kk
sweet flame
you can run a basic sim on raidbots and peep the sequencing for it
gray citrus
yea u rite
sweet flame
yeah, outlaw st goes up quite a lot when you can consistently cleave and get the extra pistol shots
and obv ss damage
dusty wigeon
assuming condensed life force is better than blood r3, when do we use it?
sweet flame
the gcd before vend
rigid mango
Stick it inbetween the two MA windows
sick cradle
why does raidbots use focused resolve when you let it choose the pot
bleak spoke
Anyone else get nonstop upgrades that are benthic slots zzz
I am the titanforge boots king
keen verge
LW 440+soket ?
sweet flame
unfortunately
pseudo hamlet
Gonna show off what dropped for me in the cache 😃
tropic ocean
gz mate
keen verge
yeah, maybe worth crit+versa LW 440 for outlaw in M+
pseudo hamlet
Will try my luck with benthic gear I think, didn't use it yet.
keen verge
but for assa, benethic boots are bis
chrome crow
ok so question, was just reading the wowhead Sin guide and the way they were talking, empowered garrotes can now be refreshed and don't get over-written by un-empowered?
short jacinth
While subterfuge is active
pseudo hamlet
should've bought lottery ticket today lol
bold folio
I hate you (:
idle ember
That's his belt?
round harbor
sometimes it be like that
patent topaz
36k sim at 421, not bad
woven summit
Hey guys is phial of the arcane tempest good for keys?
low junco
@sullen pagoda there is no way dice can sim better than the card trinket, but try to get a coral instead of font of power, u will do more damage
bigger sims
sullen pagoda
i passed 435 coral to our DH and took azshara trinket
when i simmed it before deciding azshara was 500 dps over coral
rigid mango
we just recleared with 10 people able to loot coral
sullen pagoda
and coral is complete garbage on dh
urban junco
sullen pagoda
rip
woven summit
What do you think about dribbling inkpod?
drifting cloud
Zine I got mecha rings and theyre giga huge since my rings were so shit 
woven summit
nice info bro
drifting cloud
woven summit
i'm at ashvane right now lol
i'll use it
thanks
helps with the shield I can imagine
woven summit
well more stacks then
drifting cloud
basically 30% on her is like 10-15% on other bosses because of how the fight works
unlless you have insane dps and get her below 30 on 2nd break
rigid mango
Im pretty sure it can be worth to stop dps
drifting cloud
method did that today on reclear
drifting cloud
think if you can get boss so low you can kill it so easy it doesnt matter 😛
rigid mango
Yeah probs
low junco
@sullen pagoda i passed my 430 coral and our retry pala gave me his 445 titanforge
yoink
it sims really good tho
balmy kraken
How do i propperly use ashvane coral as assassination?
night vale
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/boxbbGQwTerVfp5ikWBRtx
pog loot from clear tonight 😄
went up 8 ilvls
tired citrus
Anyone had a thing after equipping rank 3 condense that stat weights are fucked and Haste isnt simming top stat anymore?
rigid mango
Sorta depends on a lot of stuff, you essentially get alacrity during the duration of the use
tired citrus
i dont know im simming 45.6k and crit is still higher
tired citrus
Conde/ lucid
tropic ocean
wtf
sullen pagoda
can u link
tired citrus
1 moment
tropic ocean
prolly full benthic sockets and coral with 450 weap or smth
tropic ocean
fury is BROKEN
hollow junco
whaaaaaaaaaaaaaat in the goddamn unholy fuck is that sim
jesus tapdancing spongebob
placid dawn
holy fuck, those sims are crazy
royal lantern
sockets 🤷
red plaza
The gem master
placid dawn
imagine simming all of those sockets lol
real bay
fury broken, try boomies
royal lantern
boomkin sims are high as fk since the expac started
real bay
not only their sims xdd
royal lantern
how did you get the 445 engineering helmet allready
tired citrus
what do you mean :p
tired citrus
deadly sims higher atm
bleak spoke
have you tried masterful or force multiplier over quick nav @tired citrus
rigid mango
tall narwhal
with 2 x DD and 2 x NP traits and MA build, what should my opener look like guys ? On Ravenholdt it says garrote->mut->rupture->vendetta->vanish->tb->mut etc
tired citrus
Checking now
royal lantern
the mut opener is optional tbh
rigid mango
diff is small
royal lantern
it doesnt change your dps over the fight
rigid mango
do whatever u want
silent kernel
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royal lantern
seeing those sims makes me realise even more how extremly stupid the current socket/gem system is......
quasi pewter
wdym i love having 440 and 445 rings but wearing my 415 sockets
tall narwhal
thx
stark oxide
For Za'qul, are we trying to stay in delirium as long as we can, or do we leave intentionally?
stark oxide
yeah
crisp steppe
Get leeching poison if u wanna be cool
stark oxide
So I had been playing leeching poison and I stay in for a super long time
Like 2 rotations of delirium
Just wanted to be sure I'm not screwing the raid in doing so
crisp steppe
Should be good
stark oxide
the hysteria falls off immediately when i "die" right?
stark oxide
so receive cleanse > cloak
stark oxide
I have a pocket healer so that's easy enough
marble elm
pretty sure it just falls off on heroic
stark oxide
See I wasn't sure, looking at wipefest website most of our deaths seems to be dread and hysteria
wise shore
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8MSVspmWsJjUHBAvGsBRfF How come R3 CDL is simming so much lower than everything else?
quasi pewter
if it falls off automatically you can propably cloak in realm to prolong your stay idk
propably because deeper strat is only ok with lucid dreams major
sim with vigor
quasi pewter
weird actually idk maybe you have too low haste or something
wise shore
18% so maybe
wise shore
i mean its simming both
sullen pagoda
didnt see second link
quasi pewter
no overwhelming aswell
maybe its something with haste
try doing top gear with gems/enchants + essences
also its weekly version
maybe thats the problem
try nightly
tall narwhal
so a 435 outlaw weap dropped for me, now i have 2 x 415
guess ill be trying out outlaw...
gaunt yew
hey guys, how to use Condensed Life-Force (r3), just on cd?
quasi pewter
on cd yes
unless you know its ur last use and ur gonna get another vendetta in aswell then you can delay
on 5 min fight for example you can use with 4min vendetta
stark oxide
Even then, on a 5 minute sime the APL uses it again ASAP instead of holding for the vendetta at 4 minutes. At least, according to sample logs when I run the sim
quasi pewter
yea but thats wrong obviously, sim doesnt take that into account
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twin kite
Hi, just go ashvane's trinket, when it's the best time to gain the crit?
quasi pewter
with vendetta
twin kite
Use on pull and wait 2min the vendetta?
stark oxide
yes
and then for vendetta 2+, you need to reapply the trinket 20 seconds later to get the stacks building asap again
untold current
What do u mean vendetta 2+?
twin kite
same , what vendetta 2+
hybrid monolith
the 2nd, 3rd, 4th of the fight
stark oxide
yeah
Because your first vendetta is going to be when you apply the debuff
every vendetta after that will be consuming it
untold current
Got it
stark oxide
so you need to reapply it when it comes off cd
wise shore
@quasi pewter https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2HmfJ6bbMFCNhxJzRhXUwh its worse lol
untold current
Does life force scale with vendetta?
stark oxide
@wise shore I've been messing with yours and I think its because you're simming worldvein. CLF doesn't get to run worldvein
wise shore
yeah ou dont even have benthic stuff on lmao
twin kite
okay thx
opal goblet
is it worth to stack this azerite trait?
opal goblet
better than replacing this? again i already have one nothing personal
i know the energy does not stack
wise shore
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2boYNPLwkMCdPmMx1M1suU without worldvein in the combos
whats wrong withmy rogue lmao
quasi pewter
yes np is better than shrouded on single target
stark oxide
@wise shore CLF is winning now, what do you mean? its only getting beat by the current gear sim that sims worldvein
opal goblet
@quasi pewter ty
stark oxide
so in the dream fight where you can actually make sure of worldvein, it should be good to run it with lucid, otherwise it looks like you're doing CLF lucid
quasi pewter
the amount that its beating lucid + iris by still seems low but idk
wise shore
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qTp7j95p7wqaUL5FQCdkJb simming 42k with no benthic gear?
sand whale
what's so strange about that
cobalt pelican
benthic gear isn't like 2k per piece or something
wise shore
nothing, but i feel like i shouldnt be 1.5k under that with benthic and anzjatar turned on
stark oxide
I think Inoa's is also off because of the lack of NP traits. That makes the vendetta windows weaker, and CLF is all about maxing out your burst window. With a weaker burst window it makes sense that a sustained dps build would start to come close
cobalt pelican
you only have like
1 more benthic piece than him
if you don't force aberration unit type
chilly marsh
well each benthic is like 1.5% more dmg
obsidian mountain
!elvui
civic palm
o _O
sour wasp
i hate when agi is my last stat
civic palm
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh BARF!!
sour wasp
fuuuuuck
sour wasp
my first is crit too
chilly marsh
5.37
bleak spoke
Well yeah it makes sense
Cuz you get tons of mini windows of amp damage
So it raises the strength of double dose and critical strikes etc
tired citrus
ye same here
untold stream
Is there a way to add Loyal to the end to bloodmallet/herodamage with 4 people ? Because it seems OP but it's not in the list on those sites (it's only with 1)
bleak spoke
Cuz those amp damage windows benefit more than the overall damage curve of the other three stats
Like our damage is more spikey but we get lots of consistent spikes
bleak spoke
Unless people actually die
regal river
Still worth getting echoing blades for m+ and stack crit? or is x3 SS + 3 env/MA better now?
bleak spoke
Then it’s probably pretty good lmao
chilly marsh
EB >>>>>>> SS
untold stream
It says it's better than gorak tul with 4 when I sim it
untold stream
(Well, with 420 gorak tul ofc, didn't have time to farm the 445 atm)
bleak spoke
In keys right now eb is trap imo
wise shore
@stark oxide https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/stcG5Zjb2T34F7Ew16sijr we did it
quasi pewter
what did you change
stark oxide
@wise shore https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/h6HF5fRgLP2cE6kUJj1XMg
Was about to say the same. I replaced the helm in your line with Za'qul helm
wise shore
i let it sim gems, instead of swapping literally everythign to haste
bleak spoke
zaqul helm is prime
regal river
Im using x3 SS x2 EB, 1 env trait, should be rather good?
quasi pewter
ah np helm
stark oxide
Running 2 OP and at least 1 NP Makes CLF stronger
quasi pewter
@regal river its decent yea if your tank lets you restealth
if he doesnt then dropping to 1-2 ss and getting more ttk is better
chilly marsh
lucky im eng... will take sooo long to get zaqul head....
chrome pulsar
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rXbs8cay1c1mpEMQL7FnHD Crit close to 5.5 hmm
chilly marsh
weard youre haste is better valued than mine
stark oxide
@chilly marsh it might just be sim bait, but I acutally sim .5% higher with the Hood of the Slithering Loa from residuum, over an equal ilvl Za'qul.
It does DD, Swirling Sands, OP
chilly marsh
i sim like taht too
but wnet for chest
and got the better one same as you 😃
but sand look good to lot of crit
stark oxide
yeah 18 seconds of huge crit is nice, as long as you have 1 NP elsewhere to make up for it
chilly marsh
thats my problem....
can only update should now
and it must have NP
think its bait
saying to not use NP
but both close enough
praying for Gorak Tul' next week
🙏
stark oxide
If your results show to run that
You should try the same sims with Lucid major and a different minor (BOTE, Iris, worldvein)
chilly marsh
not really
stark oxide
Based on the sim above, if you don't have NP running lucid major and the other minors came out ahead
chilly marsh
lucid major is good if you dont have others
scarlet sequoia
compared to raid essence and blood rank 3 it is garbage
stark oxide
CLF performs better with NP, but when you lose NP your burst is weaker so the sim favors a more sustained build
chilly marsh
2 in 6 tog et a good shoulder next week
tribal marlin
is phial of the arcan tempest any good for m+ ?
swift moss
If I am using the beam on the mechagon trinket when do I use it during the opener
chilly marsh
after Np ends normally
stark oxide
you use it about 45 seconds into the fight
marble tartan
typically in low energy situations
chilly marsh
yes under 50
stark oxide
It'll be around when the second toxic blade ends, when you're out of energy
that's why its so good for us, we jus use it when we can't do anything else
chilly marsh
you can use wne you need to get away from boss to
chilly marsh
can walk casting
stark oxide
I like to use it on za'qul adds for maximum meme padding
stark oxide
5 point kidney into a fadeaway tirnket
tribal marlin
Anyone tested r3 life force in m+ ?
rich lily
ok this is some serious newbie question but .... can i use garrote without stealth ?!?
tropic ocean
yes
stark oxide
I feel like it would only be used for tyrannical bosses, but that's feelycraft. we do plenty of aoe without essences, and can already pad further with focusing iris if you for some reason felt you needed more trash dps
rich lily
since then the roque can do that ? played my roque the last time in WoD i think .... this information hit me hard ...
i said it´s a newbie question 😄
tribal marlin
since legion
but garroting outside of stealth trigger a 6sec CD and doesn't silence the target
terse pecan
Better to have 3 double dose or 3 NP?
unkempt shoal
red plaza
for what purpose? See3peoh?
terse pecan
ST raid
red plaza
DD
twin kite
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dark crag
Life r3 and haste is best stat again, was fun with blood and mastery
tacit plinth
Has anyone switched from lucid to BotE r3 and still had sims say to continue stacking mastery and not haste? every high parsing rogue I see runs ~1500 haste and for some reason I still have 1500 mastery 1100 haste and the sims say to stack more mastery. My understanding was swapping to bote would require a bit more haste and I'll continue following the sims just curious if anyone noted this for themselves
dark crag
I did for a week and bote r3 wanted mastery. Got premium and did a huge sim with gems, essences, few azerites, enchants and bote3 with mastery is a bit behind life3 haste
tacit plinth
I have the max iterations and it still wont free me from this mastery prison
idk how well this is going to feel without more haste but i dont wanna feely craft my way into a trap so ill just follow the sims blindly I guess
red plaza
@unkempt shoal Stop using azerite beam as a main essence, sim yourself with master assassin instead of subterfuge, and your rupture/garrote uptime is pretty low. Just compare yourself to the other rogue in your parse and you should have your answer
dark crag
Why do you fear mastery, it also is good for m+
dusky rose
I havent played since uldir, how much catching up do you guys think i need
To join a mythic guild
urban junco
Quite a bit
crystal vessel
How do you change punch cards for sims?
maiden siren
gear compare, add trinket
tacit plinth
I dont know I just felt like the 1500 haste avg would smooth everything out nicely but tonight will my first pull with bote r3 in raid so we'll see how it goes
cobalt pelican
1500 is a very random number to pick
sand whale
post them sims and we shall dissect
tacit plinth
1500 is just the generalized avg amount of haste from the majority of the top 10 parsing sin rogues I noticed, its definitely not a hrad number or breakpoint or anything of the type
faint harness
i dont think people aim for that number