Ye ik
#assassination
arctic walrus
well I was, it's just the best build
435 Cephalohide just sorta forces me to take it
rigid mango
Aye
ancient dragon
zine a who are you in the raiding scene out of curiosity cause jesus you never stop typing here
like you live i this discord
rigid mango
I don't raid anything special
We're like, low 300's or smth atm
I'm just very active and have learnt a lot from talking to all the really good players in here
arctic walrus
Imagine being a good player
ancient dragon
ah im sitll in that process only recently picked up assas again since legion
rigid mango
Imagine vel, imagine.
arctic walrus
I bet @nimble tartan imagines all the time
ancient dragon
mained outlaw nutil now
rigid mango
So if you've just picked it up, why say stuff like "ss is a bad pve trait" which is straight up not true?
ancient dragon
casue of blood mallet
rigid mango
Ah, shoulda known.
ancient dragon
says its rank 10
i know it goes up in multi target fights but changig azerite traits on a boss to boss basis takes its toll
rigid mango
Realistically, it's very close to the top tier ones
Not calling it top tier would be, well, incorrect
rigid mango
^
nimble tartan
im 1000k in pvp who wanna pvp
rigid mango
Its main use is like I said, cleave
cobalt pelican
i only pvp with rank 4 blood gang members
ancient dragon
so shrouded is still worth in ST?
cobalt pelican
and rank 1 homies like neilyo
rigid mango
On raw ST?
Not really, it's not as good as the aforementioned traits
It does more damage when you hit 2+
cobalt pelican
there's like not even 10 realistically obtainable traits so
rigid mango
Every vanish cycle
cobalt pelican
i'm guessing the other traits above it are like
traits you can't even get
those goofy ass pvp piece traits
rigid mango
5 of them are just shite
cobalt pelican
grants 7 versatility if you dab on a corpse
rigid mango
or w/ever
rank 5
Since two are proc based, one could argue rank 3
Saying that it's a bad trait is mad 😄
quasi pewter
i really hope i dont get blighted tribe on wednesday again
rigid mango
ancient dragon
is 3 x DD always the way to go then for raw ST with atleast 1 nothing personal
rigid mango
Yeah
Optimally, 3 dd 1 np bbi ttk 3 op
Which is only obtainable with zaq helm + goraks + cephalohide
ancient dragon
atm i am simming an extra 300dps if i take my outlaw gear and use it for ass
ancient dragon
take my best outlaw AP peices i mean
rigid mango
Yeah I mean
vital haven
dude
rigid mango
I'd base it on
vital haven
i dont like the new opener
arctic walrus
How am I supposed to r1 if I don't have 445 gorak's cmon zine
iron slate
is shroud suffocation better for mythic plus even though double dose sims higher?
rigid mango
DD is never good for m+
quasi pewter
dd sucks in m+
rigid mango
It's like, actually HORRENDOUS
SS is a need as a 1 of, for sure, but after that it's down to setup
iron slate
gotcha. just ran the sim was all and it showing a 1k increase with DD instead
faint harness
I mean if you dont usually run 19s and shit in current season and wanna do a very high key for the extra residuum you can
fathom echo
anyone know the pandemic timers for garrote and rupture trying to sync it up with WA glow
iron slate
5.4 garrote, 7.9 rup. right?
ancient dragon
yea i still need to kill zaq in a pug laster today hopefully iget helmet. waht boss drops cero
faint harness
Its a static % google it 4head
cobalt pelican
20*1.3 - 20
faint harness
No boss drops it
cobalt pelican
someone run the numbers
faint harness
Get lucky in the residuum casino
cobalt pelican
just get loyal to the end and force your sim to accept mastery as a 5dps weight
drifting cloud
loyal chest is pretty decent tbh
vapid scarab
I don't understand how I can be 431ilvl with 3 420 benthic pieces and still only sim 38.5k
that's actually terrible
faint harness
I think most raids run at least 5, so it should be good
ancient dragon
so whats better to roll you reckon shoulders or chest. what has the higher chance of not giving absolute garbage
rigid mango
^
fast nacelle
vapid scarab
I mean I'm 90% certain it's because no coral or font
arctic walrus
just run a droptimizer
vital haven
wtf
faint harness
327k
fast nacelle
send help
cobalt pelican
if you're only 38.5 or something it's not just no font
faint harness
Wth are you doing with ur rerolls
cobalt pelican
you lack holes
rigid mango
faint harness
Its not new to me
cobalt pelican
if it wasn't worth it nobody would do it
ancient dragon
got HC syco + hc inexorable both HC
but for ass im doing more dmg with 435 honorbound helmet - mestrahs mythic + cepha mythic 10 @ 420
vapid scarab
only sockets are the benthic pieces so yeah
vital haven
i mean whats the difference
vapid scarab
every socket I've puled from m+ has been a benthic slot
vital haven
between normal and new
cobalt pelican
2 mutilates in the ma window
faint harness
You just open with mut instead
tiny finch
ok got chosen for the haste buff phase on za'qul, can i pop vendetta on pull?
do the cds align with those phases?
quasi pewter
faint harness
Fake news
ancient dragon
omfg that is disgusting if thats real
faint harness
Who the fuck spends 600k gold on a reroll
quasi pewter
but it was at beginning of expansion
fast nacelle
my screen is sadly mine
i fucked up and i couldnt go back
we killed bosses too fast
to let it reset
5th boss fucked it up
tough vale
Didn't methodjosh needed a personal hotfix for his reforge cost during bod because it was over goldcap?
vapid scarab
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/kyCPnfx3t34kECnVeK11e9
look at this shit man
ancient dragon
@vital haven i simmed myself then followed the new opener and did the exact same dmg as my sim
cobalt pelican
wat the fuck is that
ancient dragon
on a trianing dummy - 0 buffs
rigid mango
Your trinkets
rigid mango
rigid mango
You've also "only" got 4 sockets
so
Hard to sim much higher without them + new aze + trinkets
vapid scarab
pretty sure coral alone is like 2k dps
fast nacelle
rings without socket
fast nacelle
already the first big yikes
rigid mango
Rings without sockets fucking hurt
vapid scarab
just shit to be that high ilvl and sim that shit
zenith gust
No OPs
cobalt pelican
also when you said like
vapid scarab
I mean, that's not what the sim says
cobalt pelican
benthic i didn't think you meant neris LOL
quasi pewter
94 flat mastery isnt that bad
rigid mango
gutripper being worse
now I've gotta check my helm wtf
Look what you're doijng to me
ancient dragon
are people jsut stacking mastery. i ahve si8mmed myself with differerent gem set ups and enchants. the difference in sim is like 300dps
quasi pewter
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3JRqUpF2JEerXzfYcTAcsT imagine seeing this going to gamble and getting blighted tribe
cobalt pelican
how do these numbers keep slipping into your sentences
unreal perch
People stack whatever works best
cobalt pelican
cya on weds when you're a certified member of blighted tribe gang
quasi pewter
no
cobalt pelican
like me
cobalt pelican
spymasters is actually ahead of ceph in my current gear
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
which is rather unsettling
ancient dragon
@cobalt pelican caus ei fat finger when i type fast
quasi pewter
but i COULD be simming that much
quasi pewter
if i was a little lucky
rigid mango
Time for a vel vs saryero epeen match
quasi pewter
and im going to sim that much on wednesday because im gonna get it that time
arctic walrus
coral and a 450 dagger 
rigid mango
quasi pewter
also r3 raid essence then
rigid mango
Could you share some of the love
How big of an upgrade is it for you?
same question for vel
quasi pewter
idk i think its pretty big
arctic walrus
Do you have blood 3
rigid mango
although I'm 99% sure I already asked
rigid mango
Heck.
cobalt pelican
hacker..
rigid mango
It's not as huge as thought
arctic walrus
Just kill court by tonight
quasi pewter
need hc clear only
quasi pewter
i didnt even kill radiance
last zephyr
not simming 39k FeelsBadMan
quasi pewter
damn its like 1k almost
rigid mango
Wait what
rigid mango
Jesus fuck
cobalt pelican
it'll probably be a little more when you get to run your 8 hour long gem sim
rigid mango
I need to look into what's causing people to sim waaaaaay higher w it
cobalt pelican
and get to go back to haste
arctic walrus
42k andy : /
ancient dragon
fml my sims compared too you lot makes me think my gears shite
quasi pewter
i guess its less upgrade for him since he has bote r3
nimble tartan
im a 39k andy vel
ancient dragon
quasi pewter
574 right now
nimble tartan
please check your privilege
ancient dragon
how is engineering helmet 445?
quasi pewter
really good
ancient dragon
tempted to dorp alchemy for engine
quasi pewter
only head thats better is zaqul and swirling sands head
ancient dragon
445 engineer helmet better then hc zaqul helmet?
quasi pewter
yes
quasi pewter
oh yeah ok pvp ones
cobalt pelican
but one has BATTLEFIELD FOCUS
rigid mango
Wait, billbo, weren't you the one comparing m+ shit earlier?
cobalt pelican
in all honesty i think he's drunk
ancient dragon
i was yea
rigid mango
ancient dragon
i burnt out pug life
rigid mango
Ah
quasi pewter
fuck i need to get keystone master for r4 iris right?
cobalt pelican
yea
quasi pewter
and we get r3 next id
rigid mango
So, why do you think you're able to talk about m+ shit when all you do is low keys
and you literally talked about "checking so you weren't a dude doiing just 12's"
When you're literally that
Christ.
ancient dragon
i aint pushed M+ yet this season
cobalt pelican
i'm kinda disappointed with some of the r4 cosmetics
they all look samey and lamey
rigid mango
And yet you're talking score, whilst not doing anything
Mate, please.
@last zephyr 
desert vault
so pretty much have to get the 445 engine helm nowadays?
cobalt pelican
not really, there's a pretty accessible alternative that's not miles behind
last zephyr
@Zine 
quasi pewter
first boss head is not bad if you can get it 445 and zaqul hc is also not far behind
but engi is better than those two and fairly easy to get so its definitely worth yea
rigid mango
ancient dragon
well a +15 is equal to 22 key last season right
rigid mango
Something along those lines, yeah
fast nacelle
new affix is not as bad as i thought actually
desert vault
trying to get these socketed boots ...
ancient dragon
i still think i have a good dungeon knowledge in that case
rigid mango
It's quite nice now actually
fast nacelle
since they changed the void lady
rigid mango
But, you were 1.9k?
ancient dragon
i got to 1950 then stopped pushing
quasi pewter
i like new affix alot actually
coarse quartz
how can I look on logs and see how a rogue opens
ancient dragon
for months
desert vault
3 in a row 'upgrade' none with a trinket
desert vault
er, socket
quasi pewter
go casts and timelines
fast nacelle
i thought its worse than infested
rigid mango
Yeah, so?
ancient dragon
i burnt out spamming keys with pugs
quasi pewter
nah infested was way more aids imo
fast nacelle
the void lady cast were nuts when she buffed herself
fast nacelle
instead of giving debuff to players
coarse quartz
i see thanks
fast nacelle
now its kinda fine
rigid mango
I can see that, and I understand that, I did the same
quasi pewter
shadow emissary is pretty much free now
ancient dragon
then i started doing drugs and never went back to push my score
fast nacelle
also why do people talk about rio score.. whats even the matter
rigid mango
but I don't see why you came in here acting like you were high score and you know very well about high keys
fast nacelle
m+ is pmuch just time
quasi pewter
other ones both easy with resto aswell
rigid mango
when you've never stepped a foot in one.
last zephyr
how much do you sim for @rigid mango 
last zephyr
fast nacelle
my rogue is so scuffed
ancient dragon
well i consider 1900 to be well above average its alal botu perspectiv#
fast nacelle
legit just a trashbin
ancient dragon
2.4k + exceptional
rigid mango
You're too kind.
rigid mango
1900 at the end of season is achievable through having gear and doing easy weeks
quasi pewter
@fast nacelle trashbin btw
rigid mango
@last zephyr I see ur daggers 👀
ancient dragon
yeas but when i got 1900 was 4-5 months befor ethe season ended
fast nacelle
let me at least a chest
ancient dragon
i stopped doing key pushes full sotp
last zephyr
love em @rigid mango
rigid mango
Billbo, just never try to compare yourself with others using metrics
It normally doesn't end well
yeah dude, gimme those 440 daggers and trade here
👀
last zephyr
sure will 
fast nacelle
midwinter still on court
ancient dragon
what do you mean by that zine that went over my bald head slight;y
fast nacelle
yoink
rigid mango
I think you can figure it out given some time
ancient dragon
im dense bro + very tired 4 am here im going ot bed in 10
ancient dragon
i wont cause il forget too
rigid mango
Unlucky.
ancient dragon
so if i can get the answer now would be great
your usually more then wiling to explain
round nimbus
hey all which is better variable intensity gigavolt oscillating reactor at 400 item level or razzashi tooth medallion at 415 item level
quasi pewter
sim it 😃
round nimbus
so i was told simbot was off for assassination rogues is that true?
rigid mango
No?
arctic walrus
rigid mango
Just sim it on raidbots
arctic walrus
Who's telling you
rigid mango
Stick in that top gear and go
arctic walrus
We gotta go beat em up
rigid mango
round nimbus
ok i did and it said tooth was markedly better but a rogue in my guild nnamed jayrocc said the variable intensity gigavolt oscillating reactor at 400 was better
ok thanks for the help guys
cobalt pelican
fuggin jayrocc
just ask him why he thinks raidbots is wrong and see what kind of big brain reply he hits you with
rigid mango
round nimbus
he just said something about proc times being low
round nimbus
? is that good?
civic palm
Ok.
round nimbus
i honestly don't know how to tell from logs
civic palm
Vel is jus trying to discredit his knowledge by showing some average logs.
cobalt pelican
the tooth is 3.5ppm on wowhead
a quick sim shows it as like
41.43% uptime
which is about right for an 8sec buff
should b fine
the wq trinnkets are pretty cool they just never live very long cause they're all ilvl capped unless you win the lottery
civic palm
The actual answer is that you should SIM the options to see what is best for you personally.
Simming can be a little weird but there's nothing regarding trinkets specifically that would skew things so dramatically to make something awful.
Unless we're talking like... Cannonball Runner.
round nimbus
ok thanks guys
civic palm
NP if there's something specific that comes up regarding the sim or whatever do bring it up.
round nimbus
i enjoy playing rogue but i will be the first to admit i am not the best rogue alive 😃
round nimbus
lol
civic palm
Which trinket?
cobalt pelican
tooth medallion wq trinket thing
civic palm
nmm
round nimbus
i was comparing 2 one from BoD and tooth
civic palm
Yeah that's weird, 3.5, mmm... sounds like it's old and wasn't updated to the Xppm or Xppm + Haste or RPPM model.
Whichever it falls under, 3.5 o_ O
rigid mango
@cobalt pelican you're really on fire today
round nimbus
thanks so much for all the help 😃
cobalt pelican
😺
iron slate
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
celest swan
any information if FOnt of Power breaking Stealth when skilled into MA gets fixed soon? i reported the bug like 5 times now. can i do something else for it?
balmy cradle
bote rank 3 or focusing iris as major for m+ in tyrannical? 15ish keys
arctic walrus
I'm being forced to run Vision 
civic palm
Zaq?
cobalt pelican
doubt it'll change ever
arctic walrus
Timing with the split mechanic
civic palm
ye
cobalt pelican
i want it to be wednesday already
i want to feel the disappointment of 2 weekly chests having no upgrades
and spending residuum on nothing
subtle tundra
1 question: with ma on opener or vanish if i get 3 cp from mutilate do i rupture or envenom?
teal maple
at lvl 55 what should be my major and minor essence?
nimble tartan
You don’t have to run vision if u play outlaw vel
cobalt pelican
if you're playing blood and have ma you're 100% crit varas
cobalt pelican
if you're not playing blood generally you don't vanish env mut env for the reason you might run into the situation outlined
and prefer to vanish mut/tb in some order and then envenom
arctic walrus
They don't want me outlaw too 
civic palm
I mean if you are going down with casters it SHOULD be safe O _O
and Acro.Strikes is wonderful there.
stone crescent
Best pieces to roll for on with residuum to start with if we had bis last season?
worn crag
I got 430 helmet from warfront hc yesterday guess which piece I still had in 430 😂
nimble tartan
ive decided to say NO to benthic i will NOT farm anymore pearls!!
arctic walrus
I've never seen a man more dedicated to getting sat than Omr
rigid mango
he's too smart
carmine valve
I Just need some clarification, on wowhead sin guide it says
"Ignore pandemic refresh range for normal not-empowered Garrotes, i.e. fire your second and later in-combat vanishes right away so you'll get the 30% duration bonus without having to cast another Garrote during Subterfuge."
Ive always 2x subt garrote after vanishes ( playing SS trait ST), I thought you had to do it in order to get max dmg, but does the guide say you only had to do a normal garrote and simply refresh it with Subt garrote once with vanish?
visual quartz
not really what you mean....when your open SS garrote falls off is the exact second you vanish and get another SS garrote up
carmine valve
so I have to 2x garrote after vanish?
I guess I can simplify my question, Does pandemic only add timer on duration or does it calculate dmg from previuos garrote + new garrote
Because that is the difference between me simply applying empowered garrote once, when the enemy already is bleeding from normal garrote, or me having to throw 2x empowered garrote for it to get 30% more duration due to pandemic
quasi pewter
you understood correctly from the guide
you only need to garrote once if you already have a normal garrote up
nimble tartan
benthic 🚫
carmine valve
Fuck been playing wrong all this time, I even thought having extra 3 CP from additional garrote was worth
tribal marlin
I won't farm anymore mana pearl, i'm on your side omr
oh wait ... I already have 4 piece 425 :/
vapid scarab
warm mulch
but are they all socketed though
rigid mango
Are you running lucid major
cobalt flame
yep
rigid mango
There u go.
fallow otter
my weights look like yours @cobalt flame but ill be gemming haste again when i switch to rank3 condensed according to sims
fallow otter
yep, same as me
cobalt flame
Is there any reason Blood of the enemy is simming so low for me in any combination of essences and stats i have eventhough everyone seems to be using it everywhere?
rigid mango
what rank
cobalt flame
im always simming rank 3 essences
rigid mango
Link sims
fallow otter
its 100dps lower for me also, i dont have blood3 coz no time but considering there are some solid dps windows blood probably better considering the burst
rigid mango
You're comparing it to worldvein sims.
cobalt flame
without changing gear
rigid mango
Worldvein is disgustingly broken for pure sim pad
drifting cloud
well life force is going to be better just nobody has r3
rigid mango
If you want to pad your sims
Realistically however, it'snot
So just like undulating tides, it's just sim padding
not an actual sim worth caring about for most cases
😄
cobalt flame
and when the rank 3 condensed is available
will it be better than bote or also only good sim but not realistic
drifting cloud
it will be at worse equal, but might depend on fight
rigid mango
I don't see it really being worse unless something specifically calls for it
cobalt flame
good to know , because i am really not going to do BGs 😄 Happy i just have to wait for reset
rigid mango
atm I'm unsure what I'll be running as a major for za
zaq*
Even though we're not close yet, I'm unsure what best is to run there since minor slot is screwed
cobalt flame
what u running as minor? always lucid?
cobalt flame
in general
rigid mango
yeah, lucid
cobalt flame
i just cant see scenario where condensed + lucid will be bad choice after rank 3 condensed is available
rigid mango
If you've got life/bote it'll be go to minor
Further along in the tier when first bosses are jokes
even more than now
I can see blood being better if it's better kill timers
cobalt flame
yeah i guess thats true
cobalt flame
reasoning for not running lucid on zaqul? we are still stuck on ashvane but good to be prepared
rigid mango
There might be scenarios where the pet is awful behemoth cough cough
You'll be running, as weird as it sounds, vision
As a minor that is
cobalt flame
yeah that seems reasonable
rigid mango
It's atrocious there
celest swan
got bit confused by the question from @carmine valve
so for the second vanish infight
assuming i have a normal Garrote running
with lets say 10secs left
i only garrote once in this vanish
rigid mango
Yes
cobalt flame
@rigid mango you think Inkpod is good choice for ashvane ? was trying it for few pulls eventhough it sims lower for me than font + coral and i got pretty nice stack amount there. Can imagin shield phases getting boss under 30% later can be nice for that.
celest swan
cause the new buffed garrote "overwrites the dmg ticks of the last "remaining" garrote ticks of the nonbuffed ones. ok nice
rigid mango
You just want to get full use of the pandemic windows
but when u talk about it I'm actually a bit confused now ngl
celest swan
damn 😄
rigid mango
When the first one is already fully pandemic'ed
I'm not sure if it's worth using a 2nd one in the same vanish window for the extra like, 2 second of garrote
ngl
never thought of it
celest swan
tbh i jsut wasnt sure what pandemic exactly does, like does it only add the new garrote while the rest of the old garrote ticks wiht "normal" dmg
u know what i mean, like if u have 3 ticks left
rigid mango
So like
celest swan
and apply a new garrote
rigid mango
It works like this:
cobalt flame
well that shouldnt be hard to calculate , garrote is 45 energy , 2 more seconds is what ... 2 ticks? If those two ticks are better dmg than for example one mutilate you could do with that energy then i would say refreshing it once more is better. But thats just my opinion and tbh neve rly bothered to calculate that
celest swan
are the 3 ticks buffed now?
rigid mango
Under a certain threshold of the dots, 5.4 seconds for garrote and 7.2 for rupture, reapplying a new version of that bleed will just add the remaining time left
So if your garrote is at 10 seconds left
celest swan
zine thats not the question 😄
cobalt flame
yeah the new garrote will be buffed whole , doesnt matter u refresehd it with 3 seconds of unbuffed garrote remaining
celest swan
i write jsut above
celest swan
k thanks @cobalt flame
cobalt flame
he is asking if he refreshes unbuffed garrote with 3 seconds remaing with buffed one
if the new garrote will tick 3 seconds unbuffed
and then buffed
or it will be buffed whole
rigid mango
Isn't this just basic pandemic or
cobalt flame
yes it is
rigid mango
am I missing something
cobalt flame
you are not and cant really blame you for being confuesed 😄
cobalt flame
You simply want to refresh garrote with vanish in pandemic window so you have longer buffed garrote
thats it
nothing more to it
celest swan
sry i wasnt able to articulate it properly + im confused aswell 😛
cobalt flame
like wtf
even with condensed major those gems i have now sim the best
eventhough haste value is so high
harsh sphinx
one's weekly if that makes a difference
rigid mango
build shoulda just been redone so shouldn't matter(?)
tribal marlin
something is wrong is your sims @cobalt flame , there shouldn't be 300 dps difference
rigid mango
300 dps diff of what
tribal marlin
between gem setup
tribal marlin
there is a 300 dps difference in its sims (the one he linked) between all gems setup and current equipped gear
coming from all gem setup using Gale insteed of nagivation
you forget to set "always use" on the 120 agility gem also
Might reach 41k with it 😄
mighty elm
rigid mango
Yeah but shouldn't the build just've become weekly
Like nightly and weekly are the same atm aren't they
drifting cloud
its different ring aswell
tribal marlin
ye I saw but the rings are pretty closes
Damn I was hyped for Blizzard to make new lockbox
tribal marlin
Now I'm reciving 20 lockbox a day in my mail box -.-
rigid mango
and 415 socket probs > 440 w/out
vapid scarab
@tribal marlin I shut that shit down real quick
Was having the same issue till I just started keeping every single one
tribal marlin
xD
tiny granite
is ss or eb better in m+ if i have to pick between them
tribal marlin
One guy sent me a lot of
I just snatch the gold in it
I think he does not even know thoos box contain gold :/
vapid scarab
@tiny granite is it your first trait of both?
vapid scarab
Ok, what are your other traits
tiny granite
NP, SS
TTK, EB
for my helm can choose SS or EB and TTK
drifting cloud
id take the ss
vapid scarab
Kinda just depends on how you pull/the specific dungeon at that point
tribal marlin
I played subter btw on our nhc run
vapid scarab
But yeah SS probably all around better
open reef
hello - does gloves with frost dmg or heal with gem slot are good for EPalace ?
benthic ones
ripe hinge
BOTE major Lucid Minor?
rigid mango
Your question being?
ripe hinge
is that whats recommended?
rigid mango
Currently it's bis, if bote is r3, yeah
Next week life force will be better though, since people get r3
icy ember
i currently have r2 of life essence and i have 18x Aqeuous Reliquary
will I get it next week?
drifting cloud
yes
icy ember
how does the reliquary drops go even? it seems like I get a random amount from each boss
icy ember
it'll be interesting to see what happens, probably haste is gonna skyrocket
modest zodiac
nimble tartan
yes channel prepull
narrow orchid
so channel font, prepot, stealth
nimble tartan
use it 10 seconds before vendetta to get 10 seconds before and 20 seconds inside vendetter
VALUE
within your big ma vanish window
jovial prairie
can anyone clarify how to properly use of razor coral?
nimble tartan
it reealy depends on the legnth of the fight
narrow orchid
so you probably want to delay vendatta then?
nimble tartan
and even more so where you are lustintg as well
but yes usually paired with a deep vendetta
then afterwards you can use it on cd if the fight will end relatively soon
for example on ashvane im activating coral on the pull and then activating it at 6 minutes with vendetta
narrow orchid
Okay so probably use the trinket insta again when it comes up and then vendatta 10 secs later again
nimble tartan
and lust
narrow orchid
since the cd is both 2 mins
scarlet sequoia
lmao youre talking about different trinkets here mates
narrow orchid
ye i noticed ^^
nimble tartan
legit font is super easy to use
big thing isd make sure you have the buff within the entire vendetta window
drifting cloud
you stack coral for 6min omr?
drifting cloud
nimble tartan
depends on how many procs u get
fiery sage
so u wanna use coral and inkpod or coral and font?? tho is never good to use 2 use trinkets 😛
nimble tartan
you can combine coral and inkpod together to get huge damage
i lke that combo more than font for prog i think
drifting cloud
oh did you have inkpod? or are you just doing it for 3rd shield burn
nimble tartan
i think inkpod is more valuable than the sims indicate tbh
i dont have an inkpod myself
fiery sage
i have the 3 😛
bleak spoke
Does it feel like coral and ma together are kinda a waste?
Cuz I think that’s probably how I’d feel about it if I had a coral D:
nimble tartan
yeah but u can vanish ma and then activate coral after
bleak spoke
Oh true I guess
nimble tartan
itll be even less of an issue once people get rank 3 golem boy since are more likely to not overcap without BOTE
i think sin still takes bote on zaqul though
scarlet sequoia
why
bleak spoke
Perfecto was playing vop minor which was kinda weird
Because he was holding everything for vanish anyway
scarlet sequoia
its to have vendetta every time they go in that phase
bleak spoke
I guess it must have been
storm nymph
Hey, does anyone have that spread sheet with the azerite gear? The one that listed which as what and the ideal one to go for.
dense cedar
Finally hit socket boots
nimble tartan
just blasting the shit downstairs as sin is huge
bleak spoke
Fair enough
nimble tartan
imtryna play outlaw on that fight though tbh
bleak spoke
Cuz of that Chinese log?
nimble tartan
i was watchin him play ye
bleak spoke
Was he doing anything particularly special?
nimble tartan
just blastin add and boss damage
bleak spoke
Hell yeah
nimble tartan
basically him and the spriest were carrying adds and let the rest of the raid pure focus st
but if you dont have sin rogues to go down its prob best to go sin
bleak spoke
I played subtlety on that fight in hc but idk about that lmao
nimble tartan
but my group got hella rogues if thats the setup we go in so i can pro be fine playin law
bleak spoke
I’m the only rogue in my guild I think I probs go sin 😐
solemn meadow
you are already at mythic zaqul?
tall narwhal
i ran waycrest 10 and ML 11 yesterday on my gimp rogue
i had 3 x SS, 2 x TTK and 1 scent (yes..), and i gotta say, on packs my dmg was really nice
summer cape
!offhand
tall narwhal
i was surprised at times how much dmg i was doing 😮
bleak spoke
Nah I’m not even close yet but thinking about how I want to play prog fights is fun
I think omr’s close though right
winter moss
noones using loyal to the end in my raid
might aswell look for a new guild am i right?
marble hemlock
well, if you consider quitting despite running loyal to the end, youre not really that loyal are you?
winter moss
bleak spoke
Depends on what the end is
smoky zenith
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
modest tendon
Does crippling poison stack with multiple ass rogues?
scarlet sequoia
yeah if u have 2 assa rogues the target is rooted
modest tendon
Awesome 😄
mighty elm
ember rover
If you have 3, you stun a non-boss target. 4 and you stun boss targets too. That's why people stack rogues.
bronze kelp
and on a 5th rogue, the boss gets instant annihilated?
scarlet sequoia
no rofl dont be silly
twin fiber
With 6 you can instantly pickpocket the loot
tropic ocean
kindred cedar
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations / Physical damage
What bosses what that now again?
Orgozoa?
solid nova
vestal wren
Gorgonzola XD
cobalt gyro
because if the target dies it resets the cooldown and gives you the stacks
summer marten
if only i had that pikachu surprised face now... i keep using old trinket out of raid because of it
thought would never get the benefit
summer marten
thanks!
strange python
winter moss
crystal comet
So, I got Ashvane trinket and I've checked the Pinned to get a better understanding of its usage, but I'm confused. I should cast it on pull then consume it for each vendetta and that's it?
Once I consume it I have to manually reapply it?
winter moss
welp for the first vendetta it's kinda tricky
bc using it pre pull would pull the boss afaik
but yeah
general idea is to pair it with vendetta
you cant crit on barriers
it's just flagged as normal hit with the double dmg
summer marten
if you macro it with vendetta, you just have to press vendetta button after it finishes, and it will reapply trinket only
ember rover
Its like this: Razor coral should be used on pull alongside your first GCD. Afterwards, you use it to convert the proc into Crit DMG after Master Assassin has faded, or if talented into subterfuge you macro it with vendetta. After that, the 20s Crit Buff fades, you need to make sure you re-apply iy.
Now note that all of this is valid only if you do not have Azshara Font.
crystal comet
So I could macro it to Garrote casted from stealth, then to vendetta. Once the 20s buff runs out I simply press Vendetta again. Will it work this way?
ember rover
Yes, that's it.
grim topaz
At zarqul I’ll only do Boss dmg as sin if we have enough aoe or?
ember rover
You also need to remember to use it again after the 20s Vendetta runs out.
To re-apply it.
That's after the 2nd vendetta of the fight.
Basically, before vendetta 1, you apply it with garrote, then after 2nd vendetta ends, you have to re-apply manually after all vendetta usages.
winter moss
i do not recommend binding a trinket to garrote tho
ember rover
If it's garrote from stealth, and if it's ashvane, there can't be any harm to it.
crystal comet
I would use the macro only when stealthed
ember rover
^
hollow fern
Speaking of trinkets, how do you use Coral and Font together most efficiently pls?
(Don’t know if it’s pinned)
ember rover
APL uses Font 10s before you use Vendetta.
hollow fern
(Can’t see on mobile)
ember rover
So basically, azhsara font 10s before vendetta, and coral 10s into vendetta.
hollow fern
Ok thanks, what’s APL?
ember rover
It's Action priority List of the sims.
potent raft
is there a way to check from logs the amount of casts of envenom while TB is up? (filter on both skills)
i'm trying by using Tables + Casts but I can only choose one of the abilities
faint harness
you can click the TB buff icon below the graph
when its green it shows abilities used while TB was up
potent raft
thanks
potent raft
yeah.. i cant get that yellow bar to show
winter moss
you go to debuffs
winter moss
set the filter to "cast by friendly"
and click the plus on the right side of toxic blade
should enable the yellow bar
potent raft
i made it. Didn't know you can carry over selections like that to other graphs, thanks
winter moss
then head over to casts and disable mutilate and enable envenom
and it looks like this
tall pelican
can someone pm me regarding sims please
winter moss
just ask away
potent raft
so i'm having about 2.5 envenoms per TB window ,where do i check if this is good/bad etc? 😄
oak flower
!essence
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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
oak flower
For arenas whats best essence im just using lucid dreams but not sure if i should swap out
potent raft
a good idea would be to check what the top people on the ladder use. I personally go with Crucible of Flame because i dont want to bother with focusing iris
oak flower
anyone know quick what ilvl the timewalking weekly rewards is it heroic ?
neat shell
415
atomic saddle
So what Benthic Bracers are better now for mythic raiding, Pufferfish or Frostbolt?
bronze kelp
sim it
lofty river
i use pufferfish, the frost ones were only a 60dps upgrade from them.
fiery hazel
practically, whichever you get a socket in first is the choice.
regal fox
!wa
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https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
bronze kelp
blizz is just waiting until everybody got he benthic stuff upgraded, then they will nerf it
bronze kelp
u sure ? wasnt it that they are as strong as 455 gear ?
lofty river
You'd think it would be done prior to mythic if that's the case. Post WF is there really much point.
vestal wren
the main issue is gear scaling AND socket value
basically a socket alone is worth several itemlvls
bronze kelp
id like to see sockets being much weaker
vestal wren
blizz basically fucked up the gear scaling
bronze kelp
very much!
dark crag
Sockets started too high
vestal wren
and the result is that a 425 socket item with an additional effect is better then alternatives
marble elm
People have been saying that sockets are too good all expansion and then they added better gems
tropic ocean
@vestal wren if it only was 425
bronze kelp
they should scale primary much higher, to maybe at the end of an addon equal with secondary stats
tropic ocean
i have 450 wrists getting beaten by 400 benthic wrist 🤷
honest heath
at least benthic is only useful in EP
vestal wren
just keep in mind:
base itemlvl (425)
socket 20-30+ itemlvls worth
effect 10-20+ itemlvls worth
so in the exteme case a 400 itemlvl with a good benthic and a socket can ebat a 450
tropic ocean
@honest heath imagine it wasn't like that
vestal wren
get a 450 socket and compare again
tropic ocean
grinding benthic to do m+ lol
vestal wren
or remove socket from benthic
honest heath
oh lord...I'd hate wow
tropic ocean
"+10 atal only pufferfish bracer players"
vestal wren
its not an issue of benthic, sockets have the highest impact
honest heath
I already hate benthic...dumped 400 pearls on main + 200 on alts and still got no socket anything
vestal wren
fish for belt
honest heath
create a new rating...benthic.io score
vestal wren
its the easiest to get
spare dust
Already got boots and belt 425 socketed with only stuff from main 
vestal wren
i have a pin in #wow-general with benthic effect chances, if you fish for boots you will have it way harder then f.ex. belt
honest heath
which belt do i want? or is either one good?
vestal wren
also both belts are rly good
spare dust
Aberration one is god tier
honest heath
that's what I remember..it's like threat/dmg or the abbaration one
vestal wren
so, belt is kinda: if i get a socket 👀
then lower you go on the list, then higher your gamble
honest heath
I remember your pin...I have all the benthic pieces I need...just none of them have a socket so I'm hesitant to boost them
potent raft
dont boost until you get a socket
i made that mistake so i have a non-socketed belt at 420 and i hate myself for it 😄
since a 400 socketed belt is better
btw has anyone found a way in which you can bash a dummy and still use vanish? without reseting combat and dmg meter etc?
nimble crescent
in details use dynamic meter and current, then swap to normal damage and overall after you are done
or use skada for dummies
potent raft
thanks
strange python
Is someone else noticing lags in like spell queue? U hit an action in raid and then a different button but it feels ‚sticky‘ and takes a few ms till it’s done. My latency is good
royal lantern
strange python
Very annoying all actions feel sticky and not „fast enough“ even though u have enough energy and it’s not the GCD though
No it’s like this for a few weeks
nimble crescent
what's your spell queue set at?
strange python
Idk where can I see?
upbeat bridge
/dump GetCVar("SpellQueueWindow")
winter moss
400ms is standard spell queue
strange python
My latency is 20ms if that matters
celest swan
even wiht rank 3 Condensed Life force is jsut fire and forget right?
sharp viper
61 benthic boots, no akanas witha socket
modest mason
That is nothing, im almost at 150 rolls now
Still no socket boots
Doing ~24 rolls of disappointment every day
sharp viper
i am not tilt resistant enough to farm hardcore for the boots
fiery hazel
take alllll that time you are putting into min/maxing one slot and take that to M+. You will be much better rewarded.
potent raft
@strange python i experience that a lot
press mutilate, press envenom, press mutilate
what happens:
mutilate, sub-1gcd-delay, mutilate
faint harness
the lower spell queue MS you have the more precise you have to be with your presses
if you spam abilities before they come off cd you're better off having like 100 ms or thereabouts
potent raft
yeah i think this is what i am doing..i am spamming an ability until it's cast
then i switch to another
strange python
Yes @potent raft
I lowered spell queue but it doesn’t save after relog it’s back at 400 why -.-
faint harness
having low spell queue MS is just bad, you'd think it would be good but its not
strange python
It felt better when I tested tho
near python
?????????
faint harness
Yea like if you're a person that just presses 1 thing every now and then its no difference
strange python
No I spam af
faint harness
then low spell queue is bad
near python
???????? @faint harness r u trolling or
faint harness
cus while you spam you queue up an ability right, thats what it does.
strange python
I think it’s the opposite
faint harness
It really isnt
strange python
If u spam u wane lower
faint harness
No
strange python
If u sleep higher
near python
Go spend 2 minutes on a dummy as Outlaw with 300 spell que and 100 spell que and tell me what feels better
faint harness
Its the complete opposite
100 spell queue MS is what i use
but i wouldnt go below that
strange python
High que feels like sticky buttons idk
near python
Ok that is also low???
faint harness
spell queue is your friend
cobalt pelican
i have like spikey ass raidms all the time idk
it legit just depends what room i'm in
sometimes the game is borderline unplayable
faint harness
Like you want spell queue MS, its not a bad thing
potent raft
i'm pretty sure that if you press an ability only once and dont spam spell queue is GOOD
since you might have pressed it too early
if you spam a lot, you don't need the spell queue since you are spamming it anyway
there's no chance it wont come off
crisp steppe
100ms spellqueue is bad.
faint harness
you'd think so, but we're talking miliseconds here right
crisp steppe
?
royal torrent
you can go too low and end up with gaps between between GCDs, check logs regardless of how it feels after you tinker wiht it
faint harness
not answering you aimbotter
crisp steppe
what @royal torrent says
having 100ms spellqueue means you're having to press your keys at a rate of like 10 times per second towards the end of ur gcds
potent raft
@crisp steppe what in your opinion is a good spell queue value?
crisp steppe
400 is fine. you can lower it yourself to 200 or whatever you think is reasonable depending on how quickly you press your stuff
faint harness
its just some ppl misunderstanding what spell queue MS does i think. OH man i wanna have superlow spell queue MS LUL
strange python
I have these gaps @royal torrent with 400ms
ripe nimbus
If u have spell queue off ur abilitys arnt going off right when GCD comes off cooldown playing with spell queue off is very bad and causes stuttering in the rotation which adds up to missed GCDs at the end of a fight the general rule of spell queue is ur MS+100
crisp steppe
the thing is that if you queue something else before the the next spell in the queue actually gets cast it still gets changed
so you can in fact adjust your next spell 150ms before it fires even with a 400ms queue
strange python
Im testing 40 in a sec on shivara, 400 feels like Shit
I will tell u in a minute how 40 feels
faint harness
you have to be very precise with your clicks if you go lower, trust
ripe nimbus
400 will feel like shit if ur a spammer just do ur MS+100
night vale
i mean if you spam with 400ms, there's a higher chance you double cast mutilate when you dont mean too.
Lowering the delay means you're less likely to double cast but more likely to have gaps between your casts as you dont have the larger queue time
scenic nacelle
Which Azerite piece are you guys buying today
crisp steppe
you shouldn't be able to notice ur spellqueue very much at all if you play on low latency
400 feels the same as 200 to me
strange python
I have 20ms latency but the gaps were insane last raid with 400 very annoying
potent raft
i have 15-16 ms and i double cast
potent raft
how/where in logs do you check about gcd gaps?
crisp steppe
40 is trash no point in tresting
cobalt pelican
i think you're just confusing busted ass servers with spell queueing
crisp steppe
^
faint harness
pretty much
crisp steppe
you can try spellqueue 1000
strange python
@cobalt pelican idk my world latency is good too
crisp steppe
see how that affects you
I know it doesn't affect me very much for
its only if I wanted to not cast anything that it woudl
potent raft
do you know how the queue works?
is it FIFO or FILO?
crisp steppe
if I want to change my next spell then a queue of 1000 is fine still
cobalt pelican
filo
you can always modify gcds before they come out if you aren't lagging out of the ass
near python
@crisp steppe this is probably the dumbest thing ive read in a while, ty.
crisp steppe
@near python you simply lack understanding on how the system works