does anyone here kno the first boss on mythic correctly? can some 1 look at logs n tell me why we are gettin our ass kicked
#assassination
honest needle
cobalt pelican
people getting hit by too many things then resetting in an unorganized fashion
honest needle
can u take a look at logs for me
arctic walrus
Timings are absolute shit and overlaps with cds suck
honest needle
huh i never linekd logs
steep obsidian
you are probably resetting frost too much the poison dudes are the ones that are gonna die
that just a guess
¯_(ツ)_/¯
solid nova
If you're asking for your logs yes, your guild as a whole #wow-general
cloud seal
Using the Font you just use the full 4s during combat i assume?
civic palm
yes
cloud seal
And for pull you just use it as a prepot too?
rigid mango
I'd do 5 because of simple raid etiquette of prepulls and all
civic palm
yes
cloud seal
True, thanks 😃
steep obsidian
if you complete the channel before getting in combat im assuming you lose the buff?
I don't have one yet
civic palm
no
Do you lose potion buffs if you use them before combat?
o _O
or...
Battle Shout?
rigid mango
You don't with font, for sure
steep obsidian
yeh
unreal perch
wait what potion buffs are you losing on pull? that's the point of pre-potting
civic palm
You don't.
unreal perch
that's what I figured, was just asking because of the "lose some stuff" I thought he meant some potions
was confused
honest needle
this is driving me nutts
ancient onyx
too many stacks resets
u simply are not doing the fight correctly
and dmg kills u
rigid mango
People are doing shit dps
ancient onyx
that too
rigid mango
regardless, this isn't a sin convo this is a #wow-general one
honest needle
yes but people are dieing to the mechanics not dps
Im trying to figure out why they keep dieing
solid nova
As said, #wow-general
ancient onyx
every time u reset your debuff stacks the whole raid gets massive dmg
so either your healers suck
rigid mango
Don't further the convo please
honest needle
ok well if some 1 can pm me n help me id really appreciate it
rigid mango
oooor ask in #wow-general as it happens maybe somoene would love to talk about general wow stuff 
wheat bobcat
how good (or not as shit) is scent of blood for m+?
rigid mango
The thing wis sin is
You have 3 good traits
Maybe a couple more situationally
Rest are bad
Hence why sin is a pain to gear
wheat bobcat
ttk, dd, np and eb are good on their own niches, right?
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rigid mango
blightborn is niche and can be good, NP has potential in high tyr keys normally kr/tos where the bosses are the worst
wheat bobcat
Hmm, I see. Thanks
Looks like it will be mostly outlaw until I get good sin azerites
rigid mango
That's the deal with sin, a pain to gear
wheat bobcat
yeah, thank god there are other options to play in the meanwhile
civic palm
o _o
rigid mango
SS seems good there
civic palm
itSeemsFine
jade fjord
Welp
Looks like I should reroll
Also quick question, are the CP's from toxic blade more important than using it on CD?
rigid mango
Is that wowanalyzer?
jade fjord
yeah it is
rigid mango
Don't us eit
It's not supported for sin
For example the exact question you asked
No, using tb on cd is much more important than the 1 CP
atomic willow
what's the best azerite to roll 445 for tue.....feel like there's a great helm from raid so debating between shoulders or chest.......prolly go shoulders
jade fjord
okay that's what I thought
rigid mango
Depends on what you're wearing atm
jade fjord
Is there another site you guys use for something similar?
rigid mango
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/droptimizer @atomic willow
No, there's not
Learning to look at logs/having somoene else look at them/linking in here works very well
jade fjord
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/afkLR4Mzc3bxmwqN
I'm Opinalla, I was definitely fucking up a lot on those first few pulls but I feel like I'm performing better on the latter pulls
atomic willow
you can't sim azerite without premium @rigid mango
rigid mango
Get premium 
jade fjord
I'm just not sure how to maximize my damage compared ot the other rogue
naive iron
After watching method and looking over top ranked rogues from limit i see them using Master Assassin now. But i can't find a good video or rotation guide even on icy veins. Icy veins still has subterfuge guide.
does anyone know max dps output for MA?
rigid mango
Icyveins isn't that good for sin
There isn't a "max dmg output"
It's better than sub on single target
rotund pier
So for Benthic belt, Vim's socket is BIS for the 6/8 Palace Bosses, and Fathomstalker's socket for the other 2(aberations) right?
rotund pier
kk
rigid mango
vim's for all but the 2 abberations
rigid mango
@naive iron look at the guide and you'll see all you need for MA, most likely
rotund pier
I know it's old news, but it's still crazy that my 405 socket ori bracer sims higher than my 450 bracer
naive iron
@rigid mango what guide tho?
rigid mango
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rigid mango
You tell me
haughty lily
can i just give up and get benthic gear without freaking sockets
cobalt pelican
how do people even get to this discord without seeing the guide
haughty lily
i cant live like this
meager nebula
you can
cobalt pelican
no farm your pearls slave
meager nebula
its just not optimal
solid nova
Big waste
haughty lily
ok ill keep farming... in between bg ques.... 😢
serene plaza
What do we think Razor Corals best use is?
dapper wraith
what pre-pot are ya'll using? Crit or the 1 min fire proc?
quasi pewter
for st unbridled fury is best
rigid mango
^
quasi pewter
crit pot is literally useless to us
rigid mango
Hard nerfs 
quasi pewter
wasnt nerfed though was it? just simmed wrong before
rigid mango
Nah it was
First it simmed as it should've
But didn't work in game
And then they changed it to work properly in game, but changed how it worked
And that was, effectivly a nerf
quasi pewter
didnt it sim as a flat 20% crit before? and it simmed shit after they changed it in simc?
tawny arch
What was the change? Just curious. Didnt see any notes for it
rigid mango
Initially it stacked in % of 5
so 1 stack = 5% up to 4 stacks aka 20 %
Then they changed the way it stacked to 20%
tawny arch
Ah okay
rigid mango
So it now is just bad
maiden onyx
Just seems weird that it sims so low
rigid mango
And why's that?
ppm based primary stat proc?
Idk about you but it sounds reeeeeally bad to me
quasi pewter
primary stat in 2k19 
heady ridge
wonder if i should stop rerolling for the crit dmg benthic boots if i got the reduced falling dmg ones with slot
rigid mango
No.
heady ridge
;_; but i don't have alts and infinite supply of pearls
heady ridge
good point
arctic walrus
1.5 mil wipe 
drifting cloud
have you vantused yet vel?
civic palm
_>
sharp lily
What you fighting?
drifting cloud
mythic court
jagged mortar
can anyone squeeze anymore out of my top gear? I really thought BotE rank 2 would put me into MA build but it's hellbent on SS- subterfuge.. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aZM1EkjdENwo4MK54m8591
rigid mango
A lot of assuming in that build though
without worldvein
the only way you're getting MA is if enough people also wear loyal
placid mulch
sims keep saying for me to swap out quick nav for force multi, should I trust them?
arctic walrus
1.1 mil 
slow finch
For benthic gear. Raid priority dmg.
bracers/boots/belt/gloves.
Which order and which buffs are best?
sharp lily
Go boots first
Go for crit damage
Also most of that info is pinned in Wow-general and here.
rigid mango
@slow finch boots>wrists>waist>hands
placid mulch
fair on the force multi, for some reason I was under the impression that the secondary stack was more impactful than the agi force multi gives
slow finch
I lookedd at pinned messags... but didnt see re-checking
rigid mango
gz
tribal marlin
Hands are dealing hell lot of damage but you should use Azshara's hand at the end so better focus on boots/wrists
same for Belt, lot of damage but should be replaced with Azshar's one as a finality
You got Ashvane @arctic walrus ?
tribal marlin
oh sorry
tribal marlin
we miss so many % on ashvane :/
we consider making our healer use Cyclotronique and repoting Unbridled fury right now
same with tanks
rigid mango
We're waiting next week
ancient onyx
where are u getting stuck? 3rd shield?
ancient onyx
actually same for my guild lol
tribal marlin
so we used CD in P2
rigid mango
life force for all + everyone's first residuum 445 + another chest piece etc
ancient onyx
yeah Ashvane should fairly easy next reset
rigid mango
I think ashvane dies fast
tribal marlin
then they switched Firestarter but we kept using CD in p2
then I realise we should have stop using CD in P2 to make best value of Firestarter
ancient onyx
idk im lacking hope for kill in this reset for my guild if we can't even brake 2nd shield
some ppl are really slacking with the dps
😦
tribal marlin
I really think it's a master of optimization thingy
like we used both Vendetta + Meta + Combustion in p2 with mage running firestarted
they were so low in dmg comparing to others mage
then I realise that we shouldn't use our CD in P2 if they play Firestarter
Like we can win 1m just with tanks + healer using Cyclo blast too
ancient onyx
yeah
rigid mango
You save cd's?
ancient onyx
our healers and tanks are required to prepare prepots for tomorrow
tribal marlin
we saved our cd because our mage was not playing firestarter xD
but now that they understand the true power they handle with this, we should again use CD in P1/P3
ancient onyx
what's the timer for 2nd shield? Can DHs delay meta all the way till 2nd shield and still have 2 metas in the fight?
tribal marlin
1st shield should break around 50s-60s
then 2nd come 65sec after this
Dh should Meta on the pull and re-use meta on the P4 I think
same for Vendetta with 1 more during P3
tribal marlin
We are actually struggling with 2nd shield because we put vendetta and Meta during P2
rigid mango
losing outon shit later
tribal marlin
Which should ne happens if I do use vendetta on pull timer and then at the begining of 2nd shield
ancient onyx
Vendetta comes back just when 2nd shield pops up
tribal marlin
yes :/
That's why I suggest put everything on pulls except for Fire mage Combustion and MM hunter Trueshot
and adding maybe some pots, healer and tank beams in P2 to help with the phase
ancient onyx
im really trying to figure something out before the raid tomorrow
but idk
cds are 1 thing
but if ppl won't step up with their shit
it's not doable anyways
even with perfect CD setup
tribal marlin
yes I know :/
but meh we are not hardcore top10 guild and people don't have like full 425 benthic etc...
Actually if all healeR/tanks have beam
it's 6 beam so easily 1000k "free" dmg in p2
ancient onyx
this fight is actually annoying because it's not that hard from mechanicall stand point, but you need insane dps to kill it this week
tribal marlin
yes :/
but i'm suuure we can get few pieces of DPS one by one
by optimizing CD usuage
Healer/Tank dps etC...
still quite wierd we have to actually do that kind of thing for the 4th encounter of the raid
nimble tartan
I love how tight ashvane is
Good boss gets super easy with gear too
Good tuning imo
arctic walrus
So many gear checks back to back
ashen ermine
How many stacks are ppl with coral stacking to on boss fights? Full 20 or nah?
ashen ermine
So basically macro it to pop before vend so it pops again on 2nd?
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plucky lotus
How do we use Font of power?
plucky lotus
but it breaks you outta stealth no?
tribal marlin
probably but you can channel it at -5 then stealth+pot at -1
plucky lotus
ye that seems alright
rapid aurora
on sims its telling me to get vers and mastery over haste and crit but i see a lot of rogue that deal alot more dmg then me that have 0 vers should i listen sims? or keep staking haste crit
rapid aurora
cool thx ill try that
tribal marlin
IF your stats are really close to each other, it's probably worth to put a bit of versa
remember that it does reduce incoming dmg
I know it's sounds wierd but I do think it's worth loosing 0.1% dps to get 3-4% reduction dmg 😄
median sand
Anything strikingly obvious that I'm doing wrong? Been simming for a while, but seems lower than others
rigid mango
Trinkets are meh, lacking benthic, not a lot of benthic etc etc etc
fallow otter
im seeing a bunch of logs for ashvane for outlaw, we know why yet?
i remember china made lots of outlaw logs from the boat iceblock jaina strat
quasi pewter
propably mostly just people that prefer outlaw
tribal marlin
mythic ?
I know Loktar plays outlaw but that guys will play outlaw no matter what$
quasi pewter
if you need bubble dps there is better classes for it and boss dps assa is just better
arctic walrus
is your "a bunch" actually mean 6/33 rogues on m ashvane
tribal marlin
Outlaw + Wits do get a nice boost to ST dmg out of bubles tho
meager nebula
generally the outlaws you see are ones that only like to play outlaw
rigid mango
Outlaw does legit look good
arctic walrus
except for orgozoa
rigid mango
If your group lacks bubble damage for ashvane
arctic walrus
If your'e not outlaw you're throwing
rigid mango
I think one of our rogues is going outlaw on ashvane next week, alteast trying it
I think all of us intend on going outlaw for orgozoa though
rigid mango
What?
jovial vault
yea my guild has me going outlaw tomorrow for ashvane just for bubble dmg
fallow otter
actually the dh they have is barely hitting bubbles
tribal marlin
lot of peeps are doing bubble dmg. Outlaw are doing bubble dmg AND get more ST dmg doing it
but I dont think it's mandatory for ashvane tbh
nimble tartan
mine does seince we were running 4 sin rogues
rigid mango
or smth
tribal marlin
I think outlaw are playing Crucible right ?
Need to have neck lvl 60 to get most value of it tho
quasi pewter
i played it on orgozoa since we were lacking a little bit of boss dps
meager nebula
crucible unless r3 LF yeah
jovial vault
reset were all playing condensed
quasi pewter
still unsure whether going ss build is actually worth on court
rigid mango
Seems worth it
quasi pewter
idk
tribal marlin
dunno I thougt 1 ss would be worth on azshara
arctic walrus
It was better for me
tribal marlin
then I saw peeps running 0 ss + MA doing 4k more than me so I reconsider my view over SS
arctic walrus
Even though every 2 minutes if a horrible overlap
quasi pewter
hm dps did u gain urself with ss setup @arctic walrus ?
arctic walrus
I played MA at the start of the night and noticed a 2-4k difference after switching
quasi pewter
brb 10h calculating whether me gaining 2k dps overall is better than spriests gaining 10% dps a little bit earlier
rigid mango
quasi pewter
im also at 20k reforge cost
rigid mango
what the
arctic walrus
Our comp is so scuffed tbh
quasi pewter
i think im gonna stick with ma lmao
rigid mango
quasi pewter
well i had to reforge 3 pieces for outlaw
rigid mango
When areyou raiding?
quasi pewter
and back now
arctic walrus
rigid mango
next
arctic walrus
6 melee btw
quasi pewter
in 12 1/2 hours
arctic walrus
He somehow did 6k more on the kill pull
rigid mango
Absolute unit
arctic walrus
I'm gonna be world first sub zaqul just so I get recognition
drifting cloud
Azshara or no balls
arctic walrus
mhm
rigid mango
arctic walrus
rigid mango
arctic walrus
Sad I hit 60 tomorrow but Flame 3 isn't worth for me
quasi pewter
im using it on court because worldvein sucks and i dont have bote
strange python
How many keys do I need to run before getting a 430 dagger....
vapid scarab
430
arctic walrus
You better have detection @quasi pewter
quasi pewter
no need rly
arctic walrus
saved tricks for tb windows, detection for when i'm out of energy
quasi pewter
i dont think its really effected me once
only thing i use is kick sometimes
i've heard talks im supposed to go on my shadow for the kill tmrw 
unreal perch
crit is honestly a life saver for decree
when you get those real lucky crits during repeat, so it's just mutilate > envenom repeat for the entire thing
vital haven
spare flame
Is anyone actually using Potion of Focused Resolve?
drifting cloud
it got nerfed, use fury
bronze kelp
@strange python there is no number, just run a dungeon that drops a dagger, and hope it drops -> continue until u get one
astral tangle
How do you guys handle bubbles on Ashvane?
strange python
stack and cleave them
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astral tangle
Oh thanks, I HAD NO IDEA @strange python
vapid scarab
what else are you looking for lol
strange python
Stack them on tank close to boss, and cleave that shit.
rigid mango
Ah yes, the famous "sin cleave ability" that we all know and love
rancid bobcat
:rupture:
strange python
Posioned Knife, durr....
tall narwhal
guys is vision of perfection major something to consider ?
arctic walrus
tall narwhal
wow that was a big no
ancient onyx
unreal perch
it's a very big no
it doesn't work with things like nothing personal and it throws your vendetta CD off from vanish
strange python
I think it does, but just 35% duration of the nothing personal debuff and 35% duration of the energy gain.
unless you're talking about something else.
but it's still a no, as far as using it in a major goes.
unreal perch
everything I've seen points to it not proccing things that vendetta activates, like nothing personal
strange python
just tested it then. it does proc it, but doesn't change much regarding essence usage
regarding trinket usage though, I got some advice around using both the coral and font. someone suggested that I use font before every vendetta, apply coral afterwards and don't extract coral till the very last vendetta. just wanted to see if any more clarity around using both these trinkets has come up? I cant seem to make them work together even though they sim the highest.
unreal perch
all I remember was font pre pull and any time it's off CD
not sure how well you can fit in "every vendetta after the first" with that for coral
gaunt heart
so, i just swapped from outlaw and have never really played much sin. I have 2 SS 1 ttk, 2 dd and 1 scent of blood. not totally optimal but im still barely pulling anything in single target or aoe. any ideas what i could be doing wrong?
i open in stealth with garrote garrote rupt and then usually go into mutilate after that but i find i run out of energy almost immediately
winter moss
guide is in the pins
strange python
thanks @unreal perch it's super dicky using 2 on-use.
winter moss
trait setup is suboptimal, gotta say
unreal perch
np, hope it helps
gaunt heart
what would you reccomend for traits?
bronze kelp
@gaunt heart just read the guide, and work around that
depends on content u wanna do
winter moss
depends on the fight tbf
patent topaz
my outlaw dungeon slice sims 6k higher than assa 🤔
patent topaz
havent played assa in m+ since s1 so I wanted a rough comparison
bronze kelp
for sin m+ use 2ttk/2ss/2eb, thats the best allround setup for any affix comb and for any dungeon
if you reached that setup, head for more specified trait setups like 3ttk for more prio dmg
winter moss
@gaunt heart
winter moss
gives you an idea what to use in raids
patent topaz
I dont have good azerite for assa m+, think its 1ss, 2eb, 2ruptureagi, 1ttk
gaunt heart
yeah i was planning more for M+ i dont raid really
winter moss
then 2/2/2 setup for starters
bronze kelp
than take what i adviced above
winter moss
2eb/2ttk/2ss
patent topaz
as outlaw I run 2ds, 1wits, 1 snake, 1manybombs
bronze kelp
thats 5 traits
patent topaz
but a 6k difference seems like something is not evaluated correctly
winter moss
patent topaz
forgot 1tc
winter moss
DungeonSlice is not something to compare
id rather recommend simming 10 bosses fight lenght 40sec
winter moss
IF you wanna pad the meters take 3DS1Wits 1 Brigands
rest is whatever
but if you wanna talk outlaw we have a very special channel for that
bronze kelp
a good thing to know is the try to avoid haste at all as sin. (hard sec stats)
try to get one or two overwhelming power traits on your gear
or maybe enchant quick navigation
cause the most time on m+ you are fighting trash, and for trash u need 0 haste, cause your energy reg comes from your bleeds
patent topaz
ran purification protocol2/3lucid
bronze kelp
yep
winter moss
every dungeon
patent topaz
I dont have iris yet
bronze kelp
iris major + lucid minor
patent topaz
because guild dead
patent topaz
only did one m+ which was freehold 11 that we didnt time
patent topaz
got 5k honor in ashran to get bote rank 2
ill do a +8 by the end of the week just for the essence
protocol was around 7% of my damage, major and minor combined
bronze kelp
end of the week is today and tomorrow ^^
iris was on my ml 10 run 14% dmg and im not using it well atm
on other runs its always above 10% of my overall
unreal perch
it's also super useful in islands
bronze kelp
for islands maybe PP is better, cause you dont have cast time
and as u got many interrupts like knockbacks or something else, iris is not that good for islands
but
islands are no really content that matters 😉
winter moss
problem is that iris is a 2.6 sec cast in which you are hard overcapping NRG
not generating any CP
it's just padding
patent topaz
I wanted to run assa this week because of tyrannical. Outlaw is pretty low single target I feel like
unreal perch
you use it when you are pooling energy...
bronze kelp
have no problem with to much overcapping
patent topaz
and since reaping is not a thing now
unreal perch
if you're over capping energy with Iris you're doing it wrong
winter moss
pooling nrg in a pack 
bronze kelp
and its not pad dmg
unreal perch
I mean, it's more aoe damage than you'll do on trash anyways so?
bronze kelp
you use it for bringing down large trash packs, thats not padding
winter moss
well when you play sin with 3 TTK traits and use iris to top meters it's padding imo
if you play 3 TTK you should utilize it
otherwise you could play outlaw as well
and have less hassle for the same output
unreal perch
it's not a controversial statement to say Iris is really good for M+ trash..
winter moss
it is really good
bronze kelp
sure, but i guess doing 150k per mob for 3 secs is better than doing 150k + a bit builder dps to one prio target
winter moss
to annihilate packs
unreal perch
padding would imply it's not useful
bronze kelp
its burst aoe so Im not fine with it calling it paddin
meager nebula
It's not really padding
unreal perch
it really isn't
bronze kelp
if you use it to burst down smallies that would die otherwise 2 secs later, yeah then its padding
winter moss
overkill would imply being not useful
i mean you dont whack a small problem with a big hammer
unreal perch
over kill "in certain situations"
bronze kelp
but if i do a double pack pull in freehold, where mobs live much longer than its indeed useful
meager nebula
There are some dungeons where you should just never take iris
winter moss
when a essence comes down to annihilating packs by all 3 dps using it at the same time thats somewhat useful in a dungeon
unreal perch
I'm confused now
that made it look like you're saying it's only useful if all 3 people have to use it at once
bronze kelp
if it results in overkill -> padding
winter moss
but when there are packs that you cant just burst into oblivion and for example a emissary is in the middle
you rather should funnel your dmg into the emissary
unreal perch
that's a completely different argument all together
winter moss
rather than the surrounding mobs
unreal perch
at that point you focus the emissary and then still... burst down the pack after?
winter moss
priority
unreal perch
That doesn't devalue the essence
winter moss
bc if you pull the essence in a pack like that
you are splitting the dmg more than necessary
unreal perch
how is it splitting the damage more than necessary
if you're bursting down the entire pack
bronze kelp
but, what is the point if focusing the emissary down and iris the pack after ?
winter moss
which can result in a few more seconds on a void emissary which might result in a wipe
bronze kelp
calm down
unreal perch
you focus the emissary, there's still a pack there
winter moss
priority
meager nebula
This really feels like a pointless discussion
winter moss
try ignoring a void on +15
winter moss
the rest of the pack
unreal perch
which... you iris
bronze kelp
the only thing i can get your point @winter moss is when you burst smallies with iris, thats pure pad dmg, but in large packs, where you first focus out an emissary or an other prio target and then burst the rest with iris, its completly fine
unreal perch
you can all iris different packs...
iris isn't going to be back up on the next pull
meager nebula
You can make the argument that it's not necessary for all 3 dps to run iris
But it's still useful
unreal perch
I just don't know where "everyone uses iris on the same pack" came from
bronze kelp
yeah, thats not the prio sure
unreal perch
that's not why people are using iris
people are using iris to clear packs faster, not to look good on meters
winter moss
bronze kelp
also lucid major is a great thing, cause it gives you even better prio dmg
stable walrus
winter moss
have you been in keys lately?
lucid major makes it way easier to burst small packs aswell
because the unlimited fok spam
bronze kelp
so if you got 2 guys in your group playing iris -> go 3ttk and lucid major for max prio dmg
unreal perch
you already basically get unlimited fok spam without lucid major
winter moss
if you dont have 5 ruptures you dont
bronze kelp
fok spam -> same as iris
winter moss
^
bronze kelp
use lucid -> fok -> envenom your prio target for 15 secs
winter moss
on the bright side is, lucid major gives a HUGE boost to our ST
bronze kelp
easy
meager nebula
Realistically you shouldn't need to run more than 1 iris in your group on tyrannical weeks anyway
winter moss
but everyone wants to be number one dps
bronze kelp
i dont care if im number one
meager nebula
But there's pugs and then there's groups trying to do it properly
I think is the main difference
bronze kelp
i trya to fulfill my role
winter moss
^
bronze kelp
and thats depending on what my group needs
but most of the time thats prio target dmg
meager nebula
Cool, this is going in circles so time to end it here
winter moss
it already ended like 5 mins ago
meager nebula
The real meta is purification at high enough keys anyway
winter moss
farming r3 is 
winter moss
and it doesnt provides as much stats as iris
meager nebula
It's mostly just for the instant kill anyway
It's pretty important on certain affix weeks
bronze kelp
for which dungeons ?
meager nebula
Not causing on death effects makes it huge
bronze kelp
only can imagine for underrot
bronze kelp
wasnt it for abberations only ?
meager nebula
That's the stun
bronze kelp
an for beings mother takes as "unworthy"
winter moss
instakill is nice and stuff
bronze kelp
but what are those ?
winter moss
but haste buff from iris minor
meager nebula
Anything that's not a boss or mini boss apparently
meager nebula
The main part of it that is good is that it doesn't trigger bolstering or bursting
Unsure
It only occurs during the major
winter moss
meager nebula
It's only going to be good for those high key pushers anyway
winter moss
minor would be to strong i guess
bronze kelp
so its this ensured, that it can kill anything except bosses and minibosses ?
winter moss
on 14+ lucid major for me anyway this week
bronze kelp
never read than so far
meager nebula
As far as I've been told
winter moss
JB even talked about it during his cast on meffod wf
meager nebula
I only see it being useful at like 20+ fort keys
bronze kelp
sorry, dont follow rwf
meager nebula
bronze kelp
guess that will nearly never happen
strange python
gotta farm the galvanic oscillators for rank 3 protocol
bronze kelp
as a spotter is normally not in the group but outside
modern temple
At which point in your rotation do you use Concentrated Flame? Just after the opener and on cooldown?
meager nebula
On cooldown for flame yeah
winter moss
@modern temple when you are not in a TB window and your bleed dont need refreshing
and you are not overcapping NRG
meager nebula
Sin overcapping 
winter moss
im playing with 12% haste now i dont even know what overcapping is
basically legion sin again
strange python
it can happen during lucid
strange python
three majors? 
meager nebula
Maybe next patch
unreal perch
a what
strange python
dont even know how many TD runs i've had now
bronze kelp
thats bad luck
but you dont really have an other option
and remember that you need 2 daggers 😉
but offhand dps is not that important
better get a socket on offhand
winter moss
got a 430 dagger
bronze kelp
but you need a dagger for st ?
strange python
its 410 pvp aswell so just need to get a trophy for that sweet sweet 440
bronze kelp
underrot has a good dagger two
strange python
415 mainhand 410 offhand
bronze kelp
tahts not the most terrible ilvl
strange python
but trinkets? got them all except dice
bronze kelp
grind FH
unreal perch
mine are the worst item level I'm pretty sure
unreal perch
here's hoping for some better dagger luck this reset
strange python
Ain't many freeholds/underrot's up for some reason
just TD and Shrine
rather do the former since TD is a cakewalk now
this week atleast
winter moss
hope for TF on first boss in EP
autumn slate
2 shit geared alt characters looted 445 TF Ashvane trinkets in HC run yesterday
kms
strange python
i did get a 440 ring with socket on a 2-chested 12 FH a day or so ago though
my luck lies in the offpieces
not the weapons
unreal perch
ya I've had no luck with weapons, had to go do conquest for the 410
gleaming prism
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fallow otter
im just hoping my seal doesn't turn into AP or bracers again so i can get a 445
or helm
unreal perch
I can't wait to get worthless boots from my M+ chest again lol
fallow otter
yeh i got boots aswell, i can use them for m+ at least
and bod
for ap and mount farm
although i think we are locking now
unreal perch
bod for ap farm 🤔
unreal perch
but ya saving grace is being able to use the boots in M+
I mean depends on your island group?
you get like 450 ap for 5 minutes of work
fallow otter
yeh we stomp it anyway and there is a chance of TF etc, we got a 445 sliver
unreal perch
(more fun than IE farming though)
strange python
IE farming is autopilot shit anyways
unreal perch
well I wish you luck
mortal gyro
Seems everyone is playing Master Assassin. Is it far superior to Subtefuge? I'm curious to try it out. But not sure how to use Vanish in the rotation. Can someone explain to me like I'm a toddler how you're meant to use it with Vanish?
unreal perch
depends on traits if it's superior
other than that, the opener/rotation for it is in the guide
unreal perch
ya it's mostly the same as the opener use of vanish
rustic heath
Have they changed or updated blood of the enemy? Seeing a lot of rogues use it
strange python
no
crisp hollow
what made it better/ideal? I remember at the start of 8.2 the hype was all around lucid
winter moss
crit chance and dmg
solid nova
More people are probably using it as theyve farmed it by now
crisp hollow
is it just a matter of mindlessly spamming regular BGs or is there a method to the madness?
solid nova
Nope, just BGs
solid nova
For the duration its been around its not even that much at this point
zenith hatch
TB from vanish
round harbor
Cbf farming pvp shit content when it's gonna get outclassed by raid essence next week anyway
rustic heath
Would someone be able to explain what I’m doing wrong with sin? I can’t seem to get the numbers I should be https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/z3wyKGNjfCXDt9h7#fight=2&type=damage-done <— redblaze
modest jasper
You overwrote your SS Garrotes with unbuffed ones.
dire spoke
missing 2 or 3 TB casts over the fight, going into TB window without energy or cp
winter moss
you didnt even bother utilizing vanish after the first empowered garrote fell off
rustic heath
Thanks
rustic heath
So it’s better to refresh a half rupture to come into tb with a full pool and cbp?
Or better to let it drop and refresh after?
dire spoke
You also can refresh at 1s if your planning forces you to, it's still better than not using envenoms during TB
either way, you would still have needed to pool energy
rustic heath
So tb windows are for getting as many envenoms as you can in?
dire spoke
It's not as important anymore like it was in legion, but getting in 2-3 will provide you a higher output
rustic heath
For the pocket blast trinket are we trying to use that outside of ven so long as we don’t miss a cast?
winter moss
when low energy
ember rover
When low energy, outside of any CD, like TB / Vendetta / Anything.
gleaming prism
I finally got my benthic bracers yesterday now the only piece I might be missing are the hands. Is it worth grinding them?
solid nova
No reason not to if you have nothing else to spend pearls on
lusty narwhal
tfw can win bgs
crimson anchor
is undulating tides good?sims high but seems to not do a lot of damage in practice
strange python
undulating tides is a bait
tropic ocean
its bad
ember rover
Was checking how many times I dipped under 50% on Ashvane, it was once every 30s.
So undulating is preeeeeeeeeeetty bad
shut yacht
Any tips on how to use Ashvane's Razor Coral trinket? In pure st fights I hold it to the second vendetta window after MA but in fight like azshara I'm not sure that is a good choice
Also, is using two on use tri kets as bad as I think it is (Cyclotronic in this case)?
tropic ocean
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
unreal perch
synergy with Dribbling?
unreal perch
oh, I guess if you pop coral right before you hit 30%
ember rover
On pull, your first global should also incorporate Razor Coral.
Then you just use it 3s after you vanish if you use Master Assassin, or you macro it into Vendetta, if you don't use Master Assassin.
But that's minmaxing, if you want, you can have it macroed into vendetta even with Master Assassin.
Also, very important to not forget to apply it after it falls off after Vendetta.
unreal perch
ya I've mostly heard people using it with vendetta
modest tendon
First boss in ToS, should you dot both bosses or is that suicide?
winter moss
depends on how much you hate your healer
vast forum
dot dmg isn't reflected
winter moss
the initial hit is
vast forum
if you have rupture mouseover or focus macro, you can keep it up on both
there is no initial hit on rupture and garrote, just deadly poison application
also the shield isn't up instantly so you can apply emp garrote with no downside on pull, then use cloak for vanish
winter moss
^
dire spoke
just click your spells cmon
ember rover
5 Worldvein 🤡
tropic ocean
benthic gloves will carry
nimble tartan
he doesnt have worldvein on so it doesnt matter lol
worldvein flex
tropic ocean
well I couldn't bother to grind it before mythic opening
its not like we're racing hall of fame 😄
ember rover
You don't have BotE rank 3?
ember rover
Ah.
tropic ocean
im very torn when it comes to guardian
when i sim it in raidbots its inferior to lucid for me
but no clue if the sim is correct, as in herodamage sim its giga
ember rover
Lucid is good for minor.
ember rover
Cause you don't have BotE or CLF.
winter moss
@tropic ocean https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wTiuWqaCmV9AWKq37BmJZP made it with craft gear
tropic ocean
@winter moss big boy
ember rover
If CLF gets nerfed, those that didn't farm BGs get faaaaaaaaaked
tropic ocean
idk
lucid major iris minor sims lower for me
than any combination of lucid bote clf
so unless sim is bad
idk
ember rover
You don't have R3 BotE.
ember rover
WHat do you mean?
ember rover
Ah.
fiery sage
what benthic belt do u want?
ember rover
Everybody that has it R3, is using it.
faint harness
I sure hope so
faint harness
Yea i know already
winter moss
cruicible r3 + lucid minor still sims higher :^)
tropic ocean
but also as you can see
faint harness
Not a big diff tho
tropic ocean
ppl use lucid major and pull similar numbers
winter moss
because the diffrence between lucid major and bote major is .1%
faint harness
winter moss
with bote getting outscaled easily
faint harness
Its not 
faint harness
summer marten
bote/lucid sims maybe as 10th best combination for me, if i include rank 3 raid one in sim, but without it bote/lucid is 3rd or 4th
strange python
winter moss
for me yeah
faint harness
Yea i dunno what kind of stats you have
strange python
winter moss
how much crit you havin?
faint harness
32%
winter moss
mastery?
faint harness
Crit
ember rover
There's also the proiblem that if you use Lucid, you HAVE to stay on boss for it's entirety.
winter moss
waet
faint harness
Oh
ember rover
While BotE is more flexible with that since it only lasts 10s.
tropic ocean
im at 32% crit 14% haste 41% mastery and lucid is way better for me than bote
ember rover
So even though in theory, Lucid major is close to BotE, in practice, it's much easier to play with BotE than to play with Lucid.
winter moss
33crit 13haste 56 mastery 7.3vers
ember rover
It's a lot easier to fuck up your Lucid usage, than it is to fuck up your BotE usage.
winter moss
even got another crit mastery pants from crafting 
tropic ocean
idk what argument we are trying here
faint harness
Yea dump all your haste and watch lucid skyrocket
ember rover
Push, minor or major?
faint harness
Major
winter moss
what is your point push?
faint harness
That your stats is heavily biased towards using lucid
winter moss
i just take what sims highest :>
faint harness
Its easier to just read what the bot tells you
tropic ocean
i dont understand what that argument here is
inland gull
btw its force on mh highest secondaty on oh?
winter moss
no i take what sims tell me
tropic ocean
sim tells me to sock all mastery and use lucid
even when simming bote r3 lucid r3 and life force r3
so
im not resocketing/regearing to get bote as top essence
just cuz top logs use it
simple
young portal
Is the alc trinket absolute turd for us?
strange python
too broke to spend like 1k to do 20 more dps 
winter moss
to get this straight push and adrian: bote gets outscaled easily. thats a fact and just because you two guys are jelly doesnt mean your opinion is worth more or right
faint harness
Haha what
ember rover
??
faint harness
Jelly of what
young portal
If so, is it worth ditching alch for the LW or Engi crafted gear?
ember rover
To get this straight: it's much easier to fuck up your Lucid usage than it is to fuck up your BotE usage. So in practice, you will see better usage of BotE than Lucid. Which is why most rogues are using BotE.
scarlet sequoia
That’s just not true rofl
marble elm
i wouldnt really say that's why
strange python
thats an ignorant reason lol
marble elm
playing as if you are going to fuck up 
winter moss
how can you fuck up lucid usage
go afk for 12 secs
come back
oh boi my lucid is gone 
dire spoke
the only issue is overcapping energy but you can't do anything about it
mighty elm
???
winter moss
it hard to not overcap during lucid
dire spoke
yea
mighty elm
Do you not understand what Adrian means then?
empty ravine
can anyone tell me if rank one of the purification proto whatever its called that reduces vendetta cd is best essence to put as major essence?
like i have rank 3 of lucid dreams
strange python
lol
harsh sphinx
no
empty ravine
what is best essence to run with for single target then?
tropic ocean
loooool
empty ravine
blood of the enemy is it?
tropic ocean
this is just terrible
strange python
hey i see myself in that picture
tropic ocean
comparing different raids and essences to tell which is better
dire spoke
@empty ravine in general you can say yes to blood3 for major, but to get an accurate answer you always need to sim your toon
marble elm
benthic btw
tropic ocean
and thinking that this rogue should do more cuz 430 ilvl just clearly shows you have no clue about rogue
ember rover
I mean, if facts will not make you rethink your stance, what will?
ember rover
Nevermind, play whatever you like.
tropic ocean
lulz
empty ravine
also is the punch card trinekt really that great? like i have a 425 ilvl trinket with maybe a 415 yellow and 404 red i think
dire spoke
I'm 430 and sim like shit
empty ravine
the red card is just hte haste proc one
dire spoke
faint harness
Imagine being this salty over an essence
strange python
i sim high get off me
tropic ocean
imagine talking complete nonsense
mighty elm
What are we even arguing 😂
tropic ocean
🤷
ember rover
Lucid R3 vs BotE R3.
young portal
My question got completely disregarded because of this argument😂
mighty elm
Just sim or?
tropic ocean
you can't compare
different players with different gear across different raid
to argue which essence is better
u mad?
strange python
@young portal i mean we cant really tell you what is worthwhile to YOU
dire spoke
winter moss
young portal
@strange python I'm just asking what's more beneficial for us in general, LW or Engi crafted gear. What clashes with benthic, etc etc
strange python
@young portal do a gear compare and sim yourself with the pieces and make a decision based off that
nimble tartan
imagine being 436 ilvl when a chad walks by you 423 with full benthic and 11 sockets
mighty elm
marble elm
@nimble tartan its time to give in
tropic ocean
@nimble tartan
https://prnt.sc/oicun7
i feel you
winter moss
his 11 sockets are legit
harsh sphinx
they are both good
strange python
@young portal but id generally say lw is better cuz benthic "may" be changed though doubtful and zaqul helm is great