crystal vessel
for TB/BoTE
#assassination
rigid mango
No, you want them together
severe bough
That is all
rigid mango
You align tb and vend
wise whale
so in m+ is it even usefull to use rupture? i have enough energy to spam fok with just gar
wise whale
oh ok thats how it works
drifting flame
I'm on the icy-veins sin guide atm and it says haste or crit depending on gear, what percent do I consider the two? got 26% crit and 21% haste atm
wise whale
thx ill try it
rigid mango
That sin guide is bad
And also, sim yourself
Stats are close, no definite best one
All comes down to your personal char n setup.
drifting flame
never bothered to learn simming
rigid mango
You really should
Download the simulationcraft addon
Type /simc and copy paste into there
Then mix and match what pieces you'd like to see compared to one another
There are other ones too there.
drifting flame
I honestly don't see the outcome worth the effort, a few extra k in dps?
rigid mango
Simming is super simple
severe bough
You dont really need to care
rigid mango
You punch in pieces you think will be better
misty tusk
why do you ask what's best then? If you're not interested in doing a few extra k in dps
rigid mango
Press sim, and let it go
severe bough
It really depends on how much involved you are on min maxing
rigid mango
"a few extra k" yes pls
severe bough
Like for instance
drifting flame
it can't just be simple to ask about stat percentages to determine which enchant?
rigid mango
Gimme another couple extra k dps
severe bough
I dont have a stat weight table
rigid mango
Stat weights are bad.
severe bough
Yes i know
rigid mango
They don't account for you losing stats when equipping shit
severe bough
In the end i was going tos ay that sin stats vary too much
You need crit up to a point
Then a butt load of haste
rigid mango
Sure.
severe bough
And in the end the thing wants you to gem mastery
Just simming is the answer
Realistically
So i do agree with that
But id youre not doing M progression or anything
You really dont have to care
And yeah please gib extra k dps
:ham
drifting flame
"to a point"
so I just can't ask what that point is to when I use quick navigation instead of deadly?
rigid mango
There isn't one though
cobalt pelican
yeah you can ask a computer who can calculate your damage
summer marten
its a floating
severe bough
Yeah i know it hasnt
severe bough
True
Fair
I gyess my point was more of
Depending on which content you run you realisitically dont have to care
rigid mango
The issue is, if there was an optimal exact haste level or whatnot, just know statweights/prio would work quite well
severe bough
Aha
rigid mango
But in the world of aze, essences, trinkets and so much more
There's no way that's ever true
severe bough
Theres too many factors involved
rigid mango
Yes
drifting flame
what's all this crap with the sim options? patchwerk, ultraxion?
severe bough
The apl is bad
They said its bad
Do patchwerk
Its the default option
Pure single target
5m fight?
rigid mango
So if you want a super baseline sim
severe bough
Right
rigid mango
Just do 5 min patchwerk and change to nightly
drifting flame
ugh, worst part is I probably have to put SOME time into exploring this should my guild consider stepping into mythic
rigid mango
I've been simming since normal, idk why you have to raid mythic to sim gear
severe bough
Dont attempt to step into mythic this early in the tier without learnkng how to sim
Im not sayjng you shoukd
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
all your gear and talents and essences are there just click them and click go
cobalt pelican
like simming is basically automated at this point
severe bough
Do you really need to parse 99 if you just run normal every week
But yeah
Simming is 
You wont take long to learn
drifting flame
But assuming by using the /simc thing, default options and whatnot
is it going to tell me what gear in my bags with traits/essences I use?
cobalt pelican
if you click them all, yes
severe bough
^^
rigid mango
For ease for yourself, equip what you think is bis
Then link it here
And we will help out
fringe epoch
is there a way to sim different potions?
median sand
Do you guys recommend a specific fight length for sims? I usually select 5 min
rigid mango
@fringe epoch press the show more or whatever
There's option for food pots etc all down there
severe bough
Oh thats right
rigid mango
And yes, 5m patchwerk is a standard sim.
severe bough
Is it true that unbridled fury is simming better than focused resolve nowadays?
I heard something about it here
Couldnt confirm
median sand
I saw that's what the top sins are using. Not sure if that's backed by sim. Any reason why the ravenholdt guide hasn't updated to reflect it?
rigid mango
Yes, unbrid is the best
severe bough
Im gonna have to swap the potion then
The APL still has focused by default
Maybe i can snatch a bit more sim dps
opal urchin
focussed sims 600 higher for me idk
rigid mango
Nightiy or weekly
cobalt pelican
the weekly should even have the unbridled change by now since it's rebuilt on mondays
opal urchin
shouldve been nightly
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
you'd have to link it
opal urchin
ye lemme re-do it
rigid mango
Unbrid was simming higher for me
cobalt pelican
but i'm like fairly sure you've done something wrong if that happened
rigid mango
Might be diff for me atm since my sims are critwhoring like no tomorrow
cobalt pelican
cause that's like a 1k dps swing in pots considering focused resolve falls closer to agility now
rigid mango
What's the diff?
opal urchin
300
opal urchin
yeah not sure
honest basin
Quick question, is there a diminishing return on Force Multiplier if we use two of them ? Is it better to use I FM and 1 Nav ?
rigid mango
1
opal urchin
1 fm and 1 nav sims higher always no?
rigid mango
Doesn't stack, yeah
peak jungle
I noticed the pins still state that for single tar haste is tops, yet during my sims, it is the lowest stat, under vers.
mastery > crit > vers > > > haste wayy down
opal urchin
crit is highest for me
rigid mango
Sims aren't static
rigid mango
Your stat prios will change depending on soooo many things
strange python
Crit/Verse is my highest stat weight for me
rigid mango
Stats are nearly equal atm anyways
cobalt pelican
the stat thing should just be removed from the pins in honesty but
if it is
people will still just ask the same question anyway
peak jungle
Do you think haste is simming low due to Lucid?
strange python
No
rigid mango
I think it's only there for new players on newly dinged chars
Not for actual minmax simming.
strange python
@peak jungle I'm using lucid minor and still simming that crit/verse should be prio
peak jungle
Right, so i'm wondering if the fact that we're using Lucid is lowering the value of haste
summer marten
it is
strange python
well most likely since the major gives you energy regen so that devalues it
rigid mango
Major slaughters it
peak jungle
Yeah
strange python
and the passive gives you refund chance so that devalues it
rigid mango
Minor smacks it over the head
peak jungle
Secondly, I notice that most 8.2 geared rogues are simming crit as their highest whereas mine is mastery. Granted there's a lot of variables, but i'm wondering if my ashvane trinket which yeilds a great deal of crit rating is lowering my value for crit as well
strange python
what are your %'s?
strange python
I am using crit boots too but still it shows that crit should be prio for me
strange python
maybe because I'm at 23% haste 26% crit
rigid mango
It's probably super easy to understand why mast
peak jungle
Crit 24.1 haste 21.44 verse 0.8 mastery 45.17
cobalt pelican
it's not true that all geared rogues are simming crit
for example if i sim my gear
peak jungle
They're pretty close in value, just curious why mastery appears to be better for me, though Nameless seems to have similar results
strange python
It's only 0.06 more weighbt
weight
if it was something like a 0.2 or 0.3 then sure I would ask the same question but like Zine said
rigid mango
I mean for me it's crit > mast
strange python
add one more mastery slot and crit overtakes ur sweight
peak jungle
Yeah, very minimal for sure, just debating if I want to re-gem ALL my crap to crit or mastery
rigid mango
So it's not big at all
strange python
u can like
cobalt pelican
don't make that kinda decision based on the sim to be honest
if you play pvp -> mastery
strange python
enchant one of ur ring to mast and the rest to crit
rigid mango
^
peak jungle
Mainly raid, occasional M+
cobalt pelican
if you're getting rainbow gems with several variants being within margin of error
just do whatever you want
wet zealot
what azerite pieces are we looking to get as assassination ?
rigid mango
For raiding?
wet zealot
yea
wet zealot
isnt undulating tides top tho ?
rigid mango
Nope
It sims really good but realistically is very meh
Drop under 50% once and you're screwed
wet zealot
why 3 DD instead of 3 NP's ?
opal urchin
is it normal that blood of the enemy 2 + lucid dreams 3 sims quite a bit lower than lucid dreams 3 + worldvein reso?
rigid mango
3 DD is better than 3 NP
Yes, worldvein sims insanely good since it assumes always having it up
And BoTE doesn't sim super well until r3
Odds are you're better off w Lucid M + wv m/iris m
opal urchin
gonna try it out
opal urchin
i just hate blue thats all :/
rigid mango
Don't blame you.
strange python
So for the opener.....who opens with garotte... ivevread that mutilate may be better with MA then rup>gar>ven>van>tb>mut>env
Feel like mutilate may benefit more from the ma window
rigid mango
Either you go g muti rup and do regular opener or muti rup muti and do regular opener
junior flume
mut->rup->mut->gar from what i know, if mut crits
rigid mango
The dif fis very tiny.
strange python
Ok cool wasn't sure how much the difference was with G over mut on that crit
rigid mango
It's so small you wont ever notice it
opal urchin
this should make gambling for 430 shoulders worth it over waiting for 445 right?
scarlet sequoia
?
if u can buy a 430 this week and still afford 445 next week then sure, but why the fk would u buy 430 this late in the week
opal urchin
not sure if i can buy 445 next week
scarlet sequoia
its simple math
opal urchin
only started playing again 1 week into patch
unkempt karma
Correct me if im wrong, unbridled fury is our top st pre pot?
opal urchin
@unkempt karma it is
unkempt karma
thanks!
opal urchin
the thing is only having 1 chance at 445 instead of multiple at 430
kind talon
how much crit is too much crit.
rigid mango
Depends more on what you do each week
scarlet sequoia
unless your guild is struggling on dps or something theres no reason to buy 430
rigid mango
rotund mural
BoTE or Focusing Iris for motherlode 10?
rigid mango
Probs iris.
rotund mural
ty!
deep meteor
Hi, when should i use azshara's font of power trinket optimally? is it worth to charge it for the 4 sec?
scenic saffron
You guys use one 120 agi socket right ?
rigid mango
Sim it.
@deep meteor pre boss @ 5 sec then hard dump energy 5 sec before each vend and channel full
deep meteor
alright tyvm
fallow estuary
i got the same question
for the card trinket
allrdy have a use trinket - just use everytime i have to get away from boss or energy starved?
rigid mango
it's in the pins in #wow-general
rigid mango
Check if they're using neural silencer blue card
quasi ledge
@strange python I got that the other day, just kept saying Invalid Target no matter if i used it as mouseover or just @focus. After zoning out and in of the instance it fixed itself though.
Think it's some sort of bug because the guy tanking doesn't even have the punchcard trinket, bit weird
void rover
where can i find a BIS list for sin?
quasi ledge
Use Droptimizer on Raidbots for a rough guide to what you bonus roll on etc, but BiS lists don't really exist anymore due to sockets/Titanforging
vestal wren
!azerite
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void rover
Thanks!
celest smelt
Would rank 3 lucid dreams as a major be better than rank 1 BoE? Sims say its over 1k dps increase but everyone is running BoE major
quasi ledge
Rank 3 pulls ahead usually because of the crit damage
placid dawn
guys, sometimes i see Yliajo from method envenom at 2-3 cp while in tb window
is that a mistake?
sullen pagoda
yes
bold marsh
is it worth 4cp envenoming during tb then?
junior flume
I'd say yea, because you'll be wasting 1-2 combo points if you mutilate
dark crag
4+
bold marsh
aight ty
junior flume
*1-3
bold marsh
btw is there a pinned message or smthn for MA singletarget opener?
junior flume
Mut->Rup->Mut-Gar-> Ven->trinket->Vanish->tb I think is the common opener
bold marsh
alright, cheers
sullen hearth
that opener works with BOTE as well
Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Garrote -> Vendetta + On Uses > Toxic Blade > Blood of The Enemy > Vanish > Env > Mut > Env
bold marsh
excellent
should I be dropping my SS for Loyal or just change he first mut for garrote?
haven't simmed it yet though
fallow estuary
you 4+ cp envenom even outside of tb @bold marsh
bold marsh
ahh, alright
strange python
Hey guys does the Inkpod Trinket sim correctly sim ?
rigid mango
Yes?
strange python
Mh then its worse than i expected tbh
rigid mango
It can crit
shell lodge
is "Undulating Tides" trait acctualy good outside the sims ? Cuz i can replace it with items that will give me like 2/3x DD and 2/3x NP. Tho its sims lower. Someone told me that "UT" ainr rly that good, so should i ignore sim or ?
strange python
think of uptime, how often you go below 50%
glass seal
!azerite
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tepid ridge
is it worth to FoK the bubbles on ashvane?
I mean more than 1 time for poison application ofc
stuck knoll
No cuz you’re running dd
shell lodge
is it rly worth to have more than one NP ?
royal lantern
if you have other good st options, no
tepid ridge
depends what else you have
shell lodge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eD5Fm1JMNJCXvbViQMm8QQ umm, not sure if u can read thru this.
rigid mango
What?
shell lodge
thats the thing. Im not sure im acctually making good use of it. So i was wondering if realisticly i would make more dps with other traits
and i can see this "bubble" from it proc few times on encounter so its definetly not 100%
strange python
BiS food?
echo geyser
when do u use the cyclotronic blast trinket? on opener or after vendetta?
rigid mango
It's in the pins in #wow-general
shell lodge
after Vendetta etc.
echo geyser
ok ty
rigid mango
You never use it with vend
shell lodge
is can somone with "theorycraft"(?) role pw me ?
cuz i dont rly want to ping everyone
solid nova
Whats the question?
shell lodge
its basicly kind of "help pick up traits" as Sim keeps UT uptime 100%. And its rather hard t do durrning encounter. So wouldl ike to just send stuff i have and decide if its accctualy gonna be better.
solid nova
What?
shell lodge
eh rip my english
tepid ridge
he want to sim with lower UT uptime
shell lodge
yep
basicly can replece UT with DD, NP, TTK or even TC. Tho im not sure if its worth it.
shell lodge
problem solved i guees.
violet yew
what would seli say tho?
shell lodge
yeh its for Raiding
plain wraith
How much grinding is necessary to get Blood of the Enemy?
vapid scarab
50k honor worth
rigid mango
It's really good
mint kindle
Hey guys, are the Mechagon Trinket sims accurate?
plain wraith
Phew
plain wraith
Really dislike PVP
mint kindle
@rigid mango I'm using the raidbots website
rigid mango
Yes, the nightly update
plain wraith
I know this is Sim stuff, but would taking Memory of Lucid dreams instead be a better option if I dislike PVP'ing for BoE?
rigid mango
It should be fien anyways.
The sims should be updated to the point where nightly shouldn't matter for cyclo sims
I've not grinded any pvp at all
I don't even have r1 blood
I'm doing juuuust fine with r3 lucid.
ashen panther
Question about coral (yes i've read pins, so know what to do generally over the fight) how do you guys use it for the first vendetta? Just activate it, and build up stacks until using it with the second vendetta?
vapid scarab
yes
you just macro it to vendetta and use it again right after it's over to continue building stacks for the next
if the boss is going to die before your next vendetta then it would probably be worth it to pull out before a TB window or somethin
ashen panther
Cheers
placid dawn
for me rank 3 bote rank 2 lucid sims lower than rank 3 lucid rank 2 iris
no idea why
rigid mango
because rank 3 lucid is for the minor
placid dawn
i mean rank 3 bote major and rank 3 lucid minor vs rank 3 lucid major rank 2 iris minor
r3 lucid major sims better
rigid mango
Link sims.
bleak jay
!essence
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severe bough
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hTMeVtq3Fb1cDTnZnjVRDy
this was done with double unbridled
rigid mango
Both pots.
jolly spoke
how do we sim?
rigid mango
What?
vestal wren
we go to raidbots.com and put in our character details and hit sim
vapid scarab
do a top gear sim instead of a quick sim and it will tell you
inner tree
is that legit
jolly spoke
how do i get a sim code?
inner tree
can't believe this garb is better than cyclo
short scarab
Is Ashvane's Razor Coral and Pocket-Sized Computation Device a legit combo ? I tried it on the dummy and noticed they both trinket go on cd.
Can i somehow see a timeline with the cast in raidbot so i can make sure to use it right ?
Ty in advance !
placid dawn
@short scarab thats exactly what im using
short scarab
@placid dawn i suppose you use ashvane frist, let it stack up and use the mechagon trinket 2nd, 3 again ashvane ?
inner tree
if you wanna see how the bot use it sim yourself with quick sim and check the rotation
short scarab
@inner tree Thank you for the tip ! Just wanna make sure it doenst bug
placid dawn
@short scarab just macro ashvane with vendetta and use it again when vendetta ends
use cyclo as normal
not really awkward for me
just dont forget to reuse ashvane
short scarab
Ok ! Thank you ❤ Just saw what you mean in the quick sim, realy nice way to check if you do everything right
shy axle
if i cloak the barrage on boss#1, will the raid still get dmg?
shy axle
ok thanks man
royal lantern
is it normal the the puffer fish on the wrist only does ~100k dmg in an entire raidfight?
rigid mango
Depends on the fight, but yeah
It's worse on movement, equal on no movement and superior on aoe
royal lantern
somewhat thought it would be more then the 6x fok cleave on the boss
shy axle
is r3 of the raid essence still rated BiS for St or did it change with that Blood essence setup?
rigid mango
Still seems BiS
queen fjord
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next ice
Why does font of power sim to use after mut->rupture->mut and not before fight?
Is this hows supposed to be used or?
tropic ocean
drifting cloud
you probably dont have nightly version selected
rotund torrent
hi guys, with lucid dreams Major does haste lose weight ?
rigid mango
Yes
rotund torrent
and about Blood of the Enemy, i see in WoWHead essences overview .. she is in 3rd position, but in wowlogs most rogues is now using Blood instead Lucid Dreams as major, whats better anyway?!
austere scarab
Blood Major + Minor w/ Lucid Dreams Minor > the other way around iirc
rigid mango
Bote r3 M + lucid r3 m
Is current BiS
changes next week for people who've raided enough.
austere scarab
farewell to blood forever after 😦
rigid mango
rotund torrent
BoTe for M+ still a good choice right?!
rotund torrent
for raid, do u think Lucid or Iris for Minor, with Condensed Life force next week ?!
rigid mango
Lucid
rotund torrent
last question, i think my haste so low for ST fights, like a 14% with Lucid as Major/Iris minor .. its fine?
quiet zephyr
guys, tell me nice stats or better %%% for raid
rotund torrent
can u show your simc pls?
quiet zephyr
on assasination, i want to build one
rotund torrent
@rigid mango
quiet zephyr
ive been watching wow logs but i cant find nothing
balmy condor
Sim yo self
quiet zephyr
%% weights
rigid mango
There are none.
balmy condor
Those don’t exist
rigid mango
All of them are super close in value
Comes down to what you have equipped, simming is the answer
balmy condor
@quiet zephyr seriously, just simulate yourself
rotund torrent
anyone is simming Versa like me ?
rigid mango
I've seen people do so, yeah
balmy condor
Mastery haste crit Vers for me, but I’ve been stacking haste/crit for years now, I have 6 mastery sockets
rotund torrent
thx guys!
winter gale
Rogues can cloak Piercing Barb from Behemoth?
rigid mango
Yes
arctic walrus
Sub build doesn't seem that worth on Court yeah?
cerulean walrus
It’s padding
arctic walrus
Feels more of a loss even tbh
scenic nacelle
Just shadowstep on CD between Court bosses
timber escarp
hi
timber escarp
i have question do u keep vendetta and vanish for [phase without shield on Ashvane?
mighty elm
no
timber escarp
normal rotation?
mighty elm
timber escarp
thanks 😃
arctic walrus
On mythic anyway you'll be blasting 1 down anyway so it's not so worth to step on cd
Rise you kill ashvane yet
severe bough
someone send help for m+
i'm about to do a KR 14 with an spriest, and i think, an ele shaman
rigid mango
Yeah?
severe bough
should I :
a) go sin or outlaw
b) if sin. 3 EB /2SS / 1 undulating?
or just 2 EB and more ST traits
outlaw is the standard build so no questions there
severe bough
I can go full raid build
could*
but idk
Well, thanks for the advice, i'll go outlaw
rigid mango
Garbage set up for m+
You do nothing outside of bosses
that even on tyr are only about 40% ish
severe bough
i was running 2 SS, 2 EB and 1 undulating/DD on 10-12s and doing decent
but outlaw did have more overall for sure
shy axle
try to get as much SS as you can get, throw in 1x Eb and Tk, maybe 1 NP or BBI in the mix. Or just standart mixing TK/SS/EB
don`t use DD if you have better alternatives
severe bough
I can get 3 SS and 3 EB
shy axle
first sentence was for KR
severe bough
but i cant get a ttk on that build sadly
or wait
i can get 2 SS, 2 EB, 1 TTK, 1 NP
that i can make happen
rigid mango
That's finef or KR
severe bough
Yay
rigid mango
It's more than fine
shy axle
I`d use that for kr
rigid mango
Gl my dude
azure basalt
should you shoot for the boots or bracers first?
royal lantern
boots>wrist>belt
azure basalt
thank you
drifting cloud
you can go belt > wrist if you dont farm alot of pearls
since wrists can take insane amout of gambling
but always boots first
azure basalt
yeah I don't have alts to farm manapearls so honestly im not even fishing for sockets
and just taking the loss of a socket for now and will fish later
rigid mango
@gusty kestrel did u touch the bubbles at all?
Full swap or just rup?
or smth
Were you running iris minor?
And it's still worth swapping to them?
rigid mango
Lack of damage doing them there
glacial crypt
I need some serious help
rigid mango
Did you feint at all?
glacial crypt
Could someone help me analyze logs of hc za'qul fight ?
done 28k dps and was just below tank
solid nova
Link
opal minnow
dont use vision minor for one.
cerulean walrus
Oh he’s using Vision?
glacial crypt
I figured because I had triple NP the vendetta cooldown would be good
opal minnow
if you arent using lucid dreams as a major, pop it in a minor
glacial crypt
I believe I done that for the first few pulls of aszhara
solid nova
I mean sims would have told you that
No delirium realm, add damage is low, its a pretty bad log on everyones behalf tbh with the exception of the mage.
opal minnow
you also probs want blightborn on your shoulders since you have gorak tuls
glacial crypt
RL said for melee to not go into delirium
opal minnow
i feel your pain.
opal minnow
that feel when fury warrior is RL and sends all the warriors down
arctic walrus
I swear people watched that one Infexious video months about Vision being broken and they hold on to that idea
glacial crypt
A friend of mines told me last night it would be insane
opal minnow
your friend was wrong
harsh sphinx
well it was insane,on the ptr at one time. never made it to live
cosmic prism
can someone explain how ashvanes coral is bis for a boss fight with adds? isnt the point of it to stack it up on a single add?
opal minnow
depends on your blood rank, but yes
glacial crypt
I'm in q for bgs to get my rank 3 just now. 40k / 50k just now
opal minnow
also iris can be strong on that fight if you need to help nuke adds
opal minnow
probs gonna be fix the essence and azerite issues, rupture adds as you're going by or they are near, then just braindead st the boss and hope for a 75
dusky moon
what's the benthic list again?
solid nova
arctic walrus
Is it more worth to Mut > env on repeat performance
instead of using a gcd on Detection or something else
cobalt pelican
use the off gcd stuff and if none are up
just eat the silence
actually idk if that's a thing on mythic that you can eat
if it's the exact same mechanic as heroic though just work through kick/tricks/sprint/whatever and if you're low on energy you can either detection or eat it and it makes like 0 difference to rotation functionally
zenith gust
is Vision of Demise trinket any good?
drifting cloud
its really bad
cobalt pelican
it's good if you can get the mob to 10% life then never kill it
(maybe)
and then just leave it there for 10 mins
it might be as good as a 415 font
in that case
rancid bobcat
just use detection
unreal notch
is the benthic gear that you should get better than anything else (when it's upgraded of course)
topaz vine
sure... 4000000000 pearls later because of bad luck xD
unreal notch
that's why i am asking 😃 i have just over 200 pearls and i'm not sure if i want to waste it all trying to get the best piece by rng
vapid scarab
@unreal notch socketed gloves sim higher than the 455 gloves I have
rigid mango
No, there's not a single benthic that's "technically BiS"
Socketed 445+ items have a chance to be better
depending on some stuff that's relatable to your sims
vapid scarab
either way, benthic is not easily replaceable
since you're 100% relying on weekly rng to give sockets+tf on regular items
at least benthic you can farm to get, but regular stuff is usually gated behind lockouts
shy dust
Aren’t sims on the glove kind of iffy?
quartz dew
420 socket boots out simmed 455 socket radiance boots for me lol
rigid mango
Link sim
final gazelle
Sorry to disrupt flow of conv, but is it a good idea to keep repurchasing benthic items until you get a socketed one?
young portal
Yes
rigid mango
Don't upgrade until it's socketed
stone hedge
does the echoing blades talent give extra combo points when it crits?
young portal
I've been through over 100 sets of boots for one with socket and I'm still going^^
stone hedge
not talent, azerite trait
final gazelle
Wow, thanks for the info
rigid mango
and also, have you checked what your stat weights are @quartz dew
quartz dew
I don't generally use them, just top gear gems/enchants etc cause of the whole stat weights only being useful for the next item you slap on thing
but I can run them now
bronze spire
Overall what have you guys found to be our best essences for running EP
rigid mango
Sure
I understand why to not use stat weights
But at the same time, you might be simming a piece that's worth a lot less than a piece with other stats
because I'm genuinly intruiged to see if socketed 455 still doesn't beat the boots
because I've now seen conflicting sims about it
quartz dew
they're all pretty close, I know when I top geared all the gems but vers everything was really tiny upgrades or sidegrades so I just didn't change any lol
rigid mango
Myeh, seems to be accurate
topaz vine
think i spent 300 or more on just getting the boots..
rigid mango
And the feet seem to be a good piece
I stand corrected, feet are absolute BiS
Might be becuase of BoTE though, not sure
quartz dew
yea could be, sec
lucid/worldvane benthic still better, but it's a lot closer. Can also get another 5ilevel on the boots tho
but ofc your mileage may vary
quartz dew
they still might get nerfed
rigid mango
That's what it looks like with my stat weights
Best feet with a socket compared to my 420 boots
Nice.
quartz dew
insane
rigid mango
I hate benthic.
topaz vine
You guys sim way higher than me xD
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bsoihFe5s79KSqvQeiBtG4
meager nebula
Coral/font will boost you by a lot
topaz vine
:/
rigid mango
Your lack of benthic is one of the reasons your dps is much lower
Probably the main one
topaz vine
yeah im not very lucky there.. spend all my peals and only got the the boots..
topaz vine
oh well.. at some point i will get it 😆
meager nebula
benthic, trinkets, azerite and you're good
topaz vine
4 years later.. 😛
topaz vine
yeah. haha oh well thanks ^^
ripe dock
I'm such a donut. I just wasted 20 mana pearls rerolling on benthic chest, thinking i could fish for better traits OMEGALUL
red turtle
!help
echo geyser
does master assasin affect the cyclonic burst trinket?
unreal notch
i wasted 200 for boots and never lucky 😦
civic palm
@echo geyser Master Assassin does not increase your Critical Strike Chance.
red turtle
Is there a note or a guide on how to use Azsharas Font of Power ( Azshara trinket) ?
steel wagon
Is there anyone on here who wants to jump on and tell me what the hell im doing wrong with my DPS..........
civic palm
@red turtle Before combat, then before Vendetta without capping energy.
rigid mango
@steel wagon for sure
red turtle
- Trinket, than pot and than combat or 1. pot, Trinket and than combat?
steel wagon
@rigid mango That would be awesome
civic palm
Potion when the cast is done before combat like you would normally.
red turtle
okay. Thank you very much
arctic walrus
What's blood usage like with subt
steel wagon
For sure dude
rigid mango
Nah I was more like, link your sims/logs or some shit
and I'll give you basic advice that's all in the pins/guide yadda yadda
steel wagon
okay I shall do that
Im running on a trainning dummy right now
Running sims right now
How should I send you my combat log
unreal notch
he wants you to send link of raidbots sim
scarlet sequoia
why are u using iris major here mate
steel wagon
Meme Beam is not the best major?
scarlet sequoia
definitely not
steel wagon
Memory 3?
scarlet sequoia
you also wasted pearls on random boots and bracers
vapid scarab
pretty sure you have better traits you can run to
steel wagon
Yeah I figured that out after the fact with the boots and bracers
Whats the BIS boots and bracers
vapid scarab
run a top gear sim
strange python
Iris minor is pretty good if you have nothing else instead
Especially on high uptime fights
plucky lotus
With the font trinket im guessing you pop it prepull 5 and prepot at 1?
scenic saffron
How can I change undulating tides uptime on raidbots ?
strange python
Someone mentioned it earlier on today, like 2 or 3 hours ago.
plush crescent
meager nebula
deft patio
Hello! is it only me or did you guys notice assasins go more for crit and mast now these days then haste?
vapid scarab
lucid will do that
civic palm
Yeah Haste is worse now.
vapid scarab
top players have always simmed their character and just equipped whatever sims highest
cobalt pelican
i have like 23% haste in raid gear
deft patio
how come haste is worse now?
scarlet sequoia
theres this thing that gives us energy back sometimes
cant remember what its called
cobalt pelican
thistle tea
civic palm
Because there are essences and whatnot that generate energy at a better rate than haste does.
So haste gets worse and other stats become better.
deft patio
i see
balmy condor
do we just dump 2-3 cp envenoms during the no double cast decree for queens court?
scarlet sequoia
yeah
balmy condor
sick thanks
scarlet sequoia
np
civic palm
No.
plush relic
vapid scarab
kick, tricks, sprint, evasion, detection are all free and all but detection don't even cost a GCD to use
quasi pewter
st
unreal notch
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
rotund mural
some ppl still use 3eb for m+?
rigid mango
I'd say it has some sort of use in tyr fh/ml
but I wouldn't recommend it over that unless you're hard padding
rotund mural
im thinking of only using it when playing with a chainpull-maniac tank buddy of mine
unreal notch
how does memory of lucid dream rank 3 sim higher than rank 2? i dont see how leech is any good and the duration goes back to 12sec
wise whale
look again
unreal perch
it gives verse
fathom wyvern
@unreal notch when you refound energy you get a set vers procc
unreal notch
ah i dont have minor unlocked yet, and does the duration stay at 15sec? a website says 12sec but is that correct
unreal perch
you always have minor if you have it in major
unreal notch
oh
unreal perch
and rank 3 is still 15 sec
unreal notch
didnt know that
unreal perch
ya major is a dual major + minor
the other sockets only being minor, and you can't reuse an essence in them
cobalt pelican
all of the rank upgrades are on a wowhead page @ https://www.wowhead.com/guides/heart-of-azeroth-essence-overview
unreal notch
that got me confused
unreal notch
i got mine from ptr page so that is definitely outdated
unreal notch
first like that showed up on google so clicked on that one
cobalt pelican
a lot changed over the course of the ptr
cobalt pelican
nearly 2 weeks ago now
rigid mango
That too
cobalt pelican
the simc change got pushed 12 days ago but the change was ingame at least a day before that
not sure why the guide still hasn't been updated but i guess it's the nature of things being in flux for a bit at tier start
fathom wyvern
How big is BotE essence rank 3 compared to 2?
rigid mango
MA BoTE + crit one
fathom wyvern
idk how to sim essence diff in rank when you dont have it
rigid mango
A big increase.
cobalt pelican
it makes it usable
fathom wyvern
noticed, rank 2 sims kinda meh compared to lucid major
scarlet sequoia
makes inkpod good as well!
fathom wyvern
but is it only for me that iris as 2nd with lucid major? or wouldnt BotE be a good minor?
unreal perch
inkpod is such a strange trinket
rigid mango
How?
unreal perch
how what
rigid mango
How is it strange
unreal perch
it's a trinket that can only be used once a fight
cobalt pelican
iris is much better than blood as a minor
unreal perch
it's just strange to think about
scarlet sequoia
its pretty fucking garbage tbh
cobalt pelican
but neither are ideal
scarlet sequoia
but its good for ashvane
cobalt pelican
iris will sim higher if you're like haste thirsty
unreal perch
didn't even know it could crit lol
fathom wyvern
but then you need to time cds to line up when boss hits 30% right
cobalt pelican
you get plenty of warning on ashvane
merry orbit
This essences are really best for m+? What about ttk?
unreal perch
how does it interact with asvhane's shield?
cobalt pelican
a long time for you to butter yourself up
scarlet sequoia
its good for ashvane cus u need big dmg after last shield
we had 4 inkpods or something and it was 3.5% of the bosses hp when they procced
cobalt pelican
it lets you basically load damage into her taking damage phase while doing her not damage phase
it's like a piggy bank of damage
on most fights it's irrelevant when you claim that damage but for ashvane it's not and it syncs up really well
unreal perch
ya I could see it
I'd definitely use it for WQs though, probably make them just a little bit faster
merry orbit
What are the best Azerite Powers combo for sin m+?
sullen sphinx
After 110+ belts I got the socket haha. Already have the wrist. Is it worth farming for the boots since there are like four different boots?
Or should I just go ahead and upgrade wrists and belt
unreal perch
i mean there are like 4 of most of them
sullen sphinx
Only two belts. Took me a shit ton haha
unreal perch
the pieces are going to be a lot worse if they aren't upgraded
sullen sphinx
Yea
scarlet sequoia
that actually makes sense if you think about it
unreal perch
that's why people farm tokens on alts and upgrade from main
sullen sphinx
Yea that’s what I’ve been doing
Just tired of going through on five characters a day haha
fathom wyvern
what does hands do?
quasi pewter
dmg proc about as good as wrist
fathom wyvern
ahh
normal quail
fuck man, i gotta raid to get Breath of Bwonsamdi? lol
normal quail
do I?
meager nebula
you shouldn't need breaths anymore
steep obsidian
you dont need to make the old crafteds to make the new ones
meager nebula
they're only needed for BoD crafted gear
steep obsidian
^
normal quail
ye but the goggles
meager nebula
its a different pattern
steep obsidian
you dont need to make the bod ones though
meager nebula
you don't need breaths
scarlet sequoia
theyre trolling you rofl
scarlet sequoia
you need to make the bod ones to be able to make the new ones
meager nebula
since when
steep obsidian
i fucking give up
civic palm
o _o
meager nebula
the BoD helm is not a requirement to make the new one
you just need to go and buy the pattern
cobalt pelican
pls stop bait raz. . . . that's toxic. . . .
quasi pewter
imagine if you had to craft all the way from the uldir ones for the new ones 
cobalt pelican
some of the old goggles look cool as shit
i need to go craft them sometime
so i can look FLY while i hit things
unreal perch
some people would love that Saryero lol
scarlet sequoia
no
cobalt pelican
you need to raid the current raid to get 430 goggles
scarlet sequoia
you need breath of bownsaodi
quasi pewter
415 ones you dont need anything for other than mats
cobalt pelican
you need the 75 pearl handin tocraft it
quasi pewter
430 you need to upgrade focus
cobalt pelican
no?
wtf is the 75 pearl handin for then
LOL
i don't get this crafting table shit
meager nebula
aren't the pearls for the focus?
quasi pewter
idk anymore
civic palm
Ponzi Scheme
cobalt pelican
i thought you needed the 75 pearl abyssal focus thing for 415
civic palm
Clearly.
scarlet sequoia
they removed the 75 pearl quest didnt they
civic palm
They did. :3
cobalt pelican
that's 75 hard earned pearls
quasi pewter
yea right you need pearls for 415
scarlet sequoia
pretty sure they removed it
quasi pewter
20 for 430 200 for 445
unreal perch
imagine needing breaths for Palace level stuff lol
scarlet sequoia
they removed the quest u initially had to do to craft
the one that cost 75 pearls to do
quasi pewter
with the abyssal shards?
scarlet sequoia
ye
civic palm
I am not sure how it needs to be explained further o _o
civic palm
They're just trying to get you to stop gambling.
unreal perch
who even gambles with their mains
summer marten
its 75 pearls for 410, 20 ornaments for 425 and 200 for 440
civic palm
Which has worked, much like how this channel still isn't #off-topic or #wow-general and yet...
civic palm
Seal Fate is gambling, checks out.
unreal perch
touche
meager nebula
that'll do it
cobalt pelican
have fun
steep obsidian
next time someone asks for help im just gonna say go wowhead 😛
civic palm
cobalt pelican
check your BradyGames(tm) world of warcraft handbook
civic palm
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
civic palm
cobalt pelican
perfect
civic palm
Just you wait 
summer lantern
!Essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
maiden onyx
anyone know if the M+ emissaries count as aberrations for the belt buff?
steep obsidian
if you are talking about benthic stuff those only work in the raid and nazjatar i thought?
strange python
how can i find undulating tide uptime in WCL
steep obsidian
purification protocol does do more damage to abberations at higher rank though
and a stun
rigid mango
@maiden onyx the effect only works in naz/ep
arctic walrus
Court is by far the most annoying fight this tier
steep obsidian
why?
quasi pewter
its actual cancer for melee yea
steep obsidian
mythic?
quasi pewter
yea
steep obsidian
i didnt find behemoth or abyssal much fun as melee
atomic saddle
@strange python debuffs
honest needle
can some 1 help me