It sims so well on farm
#assassination
strange python
and im not sure Subterfuge or Master asssas 🙄
😄
I like the playstyle of SS/subterfuge way better than MA
severe bough
MA is love
strange python
Nah
severe bough
MA with rank 3 bote
empty tide
3x Double Dose still godlike
severe bough
Is 😍
strange python
I have 3xDD, 1xSS, 1xTTK and I like it
Is getting rank 3 lucid really inportant?
And 1x NP*
severe bough
Yes
empty tide
its a pretty good dps increase r3 lucid
strange python
yeah
If I am unable to acquire bote what other essences would be good tonuse
@strange python Ah that acc sounds really nice ST , was looking for a azerite trait stac 😄
gloomy jolt
Murloc shuffle today is naga orders too
strange python
Is getting the minor trait at 55 also inportant
strange python
@strange python yeh it’s nice but still all 3 420 I’m scared of buying rnd 430 Azerite crap traits and I can trash it🤣 i wait till i can buy 440 the ilvl could make out shit traits a little
severe bough
Its not even that big of a time investment tbh
strange python
Anyone using the Engineer helm? 1.1k Haste feels nice
severe bough
Unsure how well that sims
strange python
@strange python what about 1 NP tho? 😮
@strange python I could go 2NP but then I only have 2DD, imo right now it’s optimal: 3DD, 1SS, 1NP, 1TTK
@severe bough it's not the farming. Everytime I get a group going to do the island pvp we get crushed...
I'll get it eventually but its just not a priority cause I'm limited on time alot so I focus on other things
pulsar steppe
Yo, sorry if this got asked a lot already but how should I use the Ashvane Razor Coral Trinket? In like small burst windows with Toxic Blade or wait till Vendetta is up?
severe bough
@strange python gotcha, thats sad times tho
strange python
@strange python feel u, won’t farm any of the pvp essences.
@severe boughbro infant it something fierce just trying to maximize my time
I want*
strange python
Doesn’t lucid r3 only give additional Versa or what’s difference to r2?
Sweet tea I just need another option till I can focus and acquire bote. Would you suggest raid as major?
signal summit
Raid Ye
strange python
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severe bough
@strange python yes, it's the versa when the effect activates
it's a decent upgrade
gloomy steppe
Does Master Assassin work on Essence of the Focusing Iris?
rigid mango
no
gloomy steppe
thanks
dapper wraith
How do you guys feel about the benthic shoulders? Undulating tides sims well, but the fact that it can't proc again if you drop below 50% health..meh
or am I reading that wrong?
maybe it's only referring to the ward
fervent timber
Hi, im a Quite a new Assassin rogue wondering some stuffs
Is the Exsanguinate and crimson tempest build any good?
cerulean walrus
No
fervent timber
How bad is it in comparison to the poison build?
drifting cloud
not terrible, just worse
dire spoke
To get an accurate answer you'd need to sim yourself, but it's behind like at least 5k usually
harsh sphinx
i doubt many people have tried it ingame since the new patch tbh, sims quite lower though
fervent timber
i see
spice cargo
Hey guys, I haven't played rogue in a while (since Uldir) is 3x shrouded and exsang not best for m+ anymore?
lyric crater
is master assassin really that good atm been useing the sub talent ?
harsh sphinx
it's strong ya
lyric crater
hmm u would thing sub be better with shrouded trat in the mix im guessing the new trinket has some thing to do with it or im just bad lol
harsh sphinx
shrouded is good in fights under 2 minutes. so virtually none in raid. play whatever your comfy with tbh
strange python
[Pocket-Sized Computation Device] Anyone got any ideas on BiS cards? 😛
Fighting between that Trinket and [Highborne Compendium of Sundering]
lyric crater
gotca ty for the info
teal kettle
do y'all know which random azerite piece has the highest chance of being good for m+ (EB/SS?)
rotund mural
is Phial of Arcane Tempest trinket good in KR?
rigid mango
@teal kettle there's a list in the pins for dungeon azerite
@strange python either you have cyclo or it's bad
balmy condor
2ttk/2ss/2eb sound decent enough?
rigid mango
I'd say it's arguable BiS
balmy condor
pog
I've seen so many god damn combo's recently I don't even understand what's bis anymore
strange python
I just sim instead of look at combos
rigid mango
idk gearing is simple, you know what's best, the only thing is what ess/aze to use depending on situation
maybe trinks
But rest is just down to playing it correctly
balmy condor
feels like the azerite changes every 2 weeks
rigid mango
uhh, I'd say I change azerite only on certain ones
There's always a general setup that always works
each week
vestal wren
3x ss 3x eb easy
sullen pagoda
@balmy condor because assa traits are more of what u need it specific group on specific affix not "this is bis use everywhere"
rigid mango
idd
balmy condor
yah I feel it
golden bobcat
anyone finding np undersimming with visions
inner pier
Hey bois, is it necessary to play 1 Nothing Personal with Master Assa in raids? Or is it better to play the traits that simply sim better
rigid mango
Because sims are personal and seeing what everyone else is using doesn't mean it's auto good for you
balmy condor
so we use tb on cd, does that mean we hold vendetta/vanish for tb with ma talented?
austere ruin
hello guys, when do u guys use your blood of the enemy in your rotation for MA spec
karmic galleon
hey guys what essences are best in M+. I don't do very bad on aoe with 3x SS, 1 EB, 1 NP, 1 ttf. I can switch it to 2x ttf and get rid of np, should I do it ? specially on a week like this in tyrannical
azerite traits *
rigid mango
Yes
TTK is better than NP
I'd say for everyone that doesn't play sin at a decent to high level, 2 ttk eb ss or 3 eb ss is the best set up for you
vapid scarab
I have benthic boots, wrists, and belt all 420 and socketed. I have 455 gloves, I can't decide if I even want to gamble for gloves anymore or just let it be
vapid scarab
they sim as a .8% upgrade over my 455 but idk what they end up being in actual practice
since sims don't proc the heal
rigid mango
You can check logs and try to compare the damage they do to someone who's wearing the frost wrists
should be more than enough of those logs
and they're the closest to one another I'd say
vapid scarab
😦
vapid scarab
did 129k
fresh robin
least u have em, i got a belt early but have been gambling boots with 2 chars for my rogue since release to get em with a socket XD
vapid scarab
try 4 characters
summer marten
yea, thats fair, just replying to zine comment about sim pad
tropic ocean
1% pretty good
rigid mango
They're worse than wrists 99%
tropic ocean
ofc
rigid mango
but I don't know the odds of proccing heal th
tropic ocean
Its the last item you want
rigid mango
and I've not compiled enough info
vapid scarab
doesn't seem very high based off that log
summer marten
im talking pure damage, whole raid every single boss hands did more
aaccording to logs
rigid mango
yeh
I'm just not sure how good they are realistically tbh
Since sims aren't actually simmming w them doing healing afaik
tropic ocean
well even if they are 0.5 or 0.8
They are very decent
Unless u have like 445+ socket i suppose
vapid scarab
I still don't know how to compare how they sim for me vs. how much the proc would actually do
they sim as a 1% upgrade but what does that translate to in an actual number amount of dps increase
tropic ocean
?
vapid scarab
like
vapid scarab
heal vs dmg
you can't sim that
you can look at logs for what they do with other peoples gear
but it doesn't matter for you personally really
tropic ocean
???
tropic ocean
so
rigid mango
I think
rigid mango
but what if the proc is diff?
vapid scarab
why is half the magic number
rigid mango
tropic ocean
i dont think so
vapid scarab
okay well
rigid mango
That's super
vapid scarab
but what does that mean
ionic dome
Anybody know what that WA is called to track CD’s and Interrupts. It like Tohr’s something I think.?
rigid mango
not running a good amount of iterations or looking at enough logs to be sure
is just anecdotal evidence mixed with feelycraft and guessing
It could be accurate, but what if it isn't
vapid scarab
iterations don't count for shit in this case
rigid mango
indeed
You'd need to run iterations with correct proc chance, btu we don't knwo what it is
So, sorta stuck huh.
vapid scarab
it seems the proc for dmg is 60-70%
looking at a few logs
comparing the amount of damaging hits to healing hits with the amount of both hits combined total
still no idea if range or allies between you and boss is a factor or not
dapper wraith
Which bracers? I know the heal vs dmg proc is poens.
solemn meadow
what are you guys playin in m+? I sadly dont have much of an option for traits
do you all use Iris?
or are some ppl using blood
old summit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dceKZcG7zGaNFuvmXsuYDF am i simming low or normal? not sure actually
solemn meadow
is that the best chest you have?
old summit
yep
solemn meadow
rip
old summit
my other one is from behemoth
solemn meadow
that one is probably better
since undulating tides is pretty useless
in mythic raid
old summit
@solemn meadow with loyal of the end right?
old summit
okay looking for it now :)
nocturne gate
old summit
🤔
nocturne gate
that was just a quick^^
solemn meadow
Undulating tides sims good but is poopo in a fight where you drop to 50%
strange python
the 2 second in stealth no good?
solemn meadow
hmm?
old summit
@nocturne gate should i go for it?
strange python
3*
nocturne gate
u mean subterfuge ? i depends on fight and azerite
bronze holly
is it worth going engi just for the head alone?
cobalt pelican
zaqul heroic helmet with the +5 ilvls isn't like
super ultra mega behind
so, if you want i guess?
bronze holly
oh thanks, I better check the sims
nocturne gate
if u have the gold and its better as ur current sure why not
old summit
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hAtZKrFgYJg1f2RVGh6HX6 thanks to @nocturne gate
lol
jovial prairie
at how many targets do you replace mutilate with fok?
civic palm
Probably.
rigid mango
trinket is meh, no benthic, not a lot of sockets, your shoulders are hot garbage and in general your azerite could be better
also r3 lucid
strange python
Interesting to see so many socketing crit > haste guess there’s a haste break point somewhere
harsh sphinx
Lucid Dreams
thick breach
for the benthic pieces how important is the socket, how much is it really adding to have. You get tired of looking for them after spending hundreds of pearls
strange python
Yea I've been struggling to get socketed gear as well....tired of wasting Pearl's that could be spent upgrading gear
lethal flare
I spent about 200 before finally getting my boots and bracers. But at least I got them now and not way later
summer marten
alts are great for that, i buy tokens on them and send to my rogue. Also starting quests in zone give a lot of pearls, so more alts the better
strange python
I got the belt socketd but I've spent alot lol
Yea I don't have that many. Think I have like 1 alt. Time to play is hard with family and kids ya know
I personally hate the benthic system
thick breach
as a side note for the bracers what exactly makes the frost damage better than the physical damage
summer marten
@strange python actually shoulders are quite good, just that you have m+ traits apparently. So patchwerk sim is not that good
first ring on those shoulders has double dose, using echoing blades is not that good for ST
tired shell
sorry was looking at pins but kinda confused do you macro coral trinket and vendetta together?
summer marten
ye, just remember to press vendetta after it finishes
strange python
question: Mastery for ST and Crit for m+?
summer marten
depends on your stats, for me crit is best for ST too
strange python
right now im mastery at 1450 and crit at 880
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celest swan
at the end we play wiht azshara trinket + coral right?
right now there jsut arent many peole with both?
scarlet sequoia
play with whatever sims the best 😄
celest swan
true but it likely will be those two togehter
scarlet sequoia
maybe
tired shell
so dont macro coral trinket but use coral and then vendetta?
summer marten
you can pretty much macro it, just press vendetta button after it finishes to reapply it
tired shell
ohh i see thank you
final dust
Should we be going off of sims for essences? Currently Lucid Major and Iris minor is siming better than BOTE and Lucid?
Lucid being R3 and Iris and BOTE being Rank 2
white basalt
For standard single target, I would say yeah, trust the sim
shell lodge
any1 using that essence for Vendetta ?
dire spoke
it's bad mostly because of the desync with vanish
summer marten
guess only if you really want something passive so you dont have to bother with it
but its quite weak
past marten
Is there a way to sim holding Coral for the 30% proc instead of using it during Vendetta?
vapid scarab
every boss has varying timers vendetta would be coming back and when they would be reaching 30% so I have no idea why that would be a useful metric in the first place
faint harness
for the inkpod
crystal vault
i heard only one person can use coral in a raid? is that true or fixed ?
unreal perch
if you're using Iris main on a boss, is there any particular point you'd use it or is it just an "any time you're pooling" kind of essence
crisp steppe
Pooling or maybe out of range or anything afd spawns etc
Like KR first boss u can do it while he does the aoe around him
unreal perch
fair
it's honestly one of my best raid primary essences atm all because I don't have bote so
night summit
is it okay to have 3 Nothing Personal traits on my gear with 2 DD and 1 Unduling ties
tides*
unreal perch
seems excessive
warm mulch
If you have the option I'd switch one of the NP's with a TTK, and also Undulating tides sims really well, but in practice its kinda meh
unreal perch
unless it's a fight you can always be above 50% somehow lol
warm mulch
not that many where you are guaranteed that though
worldly echo
razor
night summit
TTK? sorry!
unreal perch
what's the trait other than NP on the first ring
unreal perch
can try simming it, the DD may very well be better than 3 NP
the best bet would be sim it I mean
night summit
ok
visual quartz
Dude 3x DD is strong, ususly my 2nd highest dmg on some fights lately in this new raid
unreal perch
DD is a really good trait so
warm mulch
3x DD 2x NP 1xTTK is one of the best setups, imo
visual quartz
I been rolling 3xDD 1xNP 1xTTK 1xBBI forever, havnt found any good ne stuff
night summit
well my chest has DD but with undulating tides or scent of blood
unreal perch
like I said, sim it
only way you can be sure
just remember that simming undulating is questionable
visual quartz
Scent isnt great for raid, that tides one might be ok though depending on procs
the way its worded though makes me believe if the shield procs the dmg wont proc for the 45secs
unreal perch
tides is questionable because dropping below 50% hp turns it off for 45 seconds
right
so if you drop below 50%, 45 seconds of no undulating trait
visual quartz
just whisper your heals and tell em dont let ya 😛
unreal perch
tell the boss to not hit you with abilities
ionic flume
yo is punchcard trinket simming right?
got this poopy trinket and it sims higher than 1k haste proc punchcard
ionic flume
don't got the rep for it yet
kind talon
does anyone know of a WA that tracks the ammount of garrotes and ruptures on targets? mainly wanted one so i can maintain during aoe to see how many i have up
harsh sphinx
cobalt pelican
probably easier to just get better at using your nameplates properly and understanding what's happening
a wa that just has the # includes no information about duration, and a wa that has all your bleeds with timers is more or less just nameplate info doubled
cobalt gyro
All a counter does is tell you when u can stop dotting
strange python
where do i see my attack order when i sim
kind talon
i mean thats all i wanted. i mean from what i see from aoe rotation you keep 3 garrotes and ruptures and then use envenom ya?
cobalt gyro
4-5 total dots
kind talon
so that infludes gar and rup? or of each?
cobalt gyro
Total, so counting both
If you open on a pack with g > g > g, one rupture will be fine as long as they're all poisoned
kind talon
ok so you like garrote 3 targets then throw a rupture on one then just FoK and Env?
then refresh as needed?
solemn meadow
22300 smth
strange python
with galecallers boon do i still stack it with lust?
guessing so cause it's 40 seconds long and the trinket is only a 1 minute cd
so may as well
rigid mango
@kind talon you don't refresh garrotes after empowered
kind talon
so after my 3 emp garrotes fall off i just focus on keeping 3-4 ruptures up and then envenom the rest of the way?
rigid mango
You do g g g rup build rup
then when g's start falling off you start spreadiung ruptures out
to maximise EP value
normally like build > rup > build > env > build > rup
plain fox
boreal hemlock
i'd sim
grand matrix
Hey, Is Patchwerk te best simulation option to build your single target set and What is the best simulation option to sim your best aoe gear Hectic cleave or dungeon slice ?
rigid mango
First yes, 2nd there isn't really one
dungeonslice / 6t 40 sec is as accurate as you can
grand matrix
thanks 😃
rigid mango
I don't advocate for simming aoe though
dense cedar
Sin rogue is fun
rigid mango
grand matrix
6t = number of bosses and 40 sec fight lengh ?
somber crescent
Tol dagor dagger, vs Sivara from TEP ?
grand matrix
ok ^^
rigid mango
Simming.
onyx hedge
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3nr52UhKLbwyg9DWRu8kwb more crit more crit
im stting at 33% crit O_O
make that 34% with the socket lmao
i ahve more crit than mast now :I
rigid mango
Not very weird
dark crag
Tomorrow i hopefully am done too
dire spoke
strange python
is anyone simming higher with subterfuge without a single SS trait? lmao
austere ruin
when do u pop your blood of the enemy in your rotation?
warm void
During vendetta before vanish with MA
dire spoke
@strange python herodamage's default profile uses subterfuge without any shrouded, so yes it's possible
rigid mango
@austere ruin it's in the pins
edgy cosmos
ive noticed master assassin has taking a big leap on logs any reason why
crisp steppe
Killtime?
formal river
Am I at a big disadvantage vs outlaw for mythic+?
red plaza
depends on the key and your azerite traits and your group makeup
austere ruin
thx guys
red plaza
i would say if you pug a lot, it's easier to outlaw. and if you don't want to have multiple sets, all outlaw needs is 1x wits
crisp steppe
Assa is great in m+
austere ruin
last, do u guys TB before vanish or after?
red plaza
before
austere ruin
k
stable yarrow
tropic ocean
Is the visual good?
tropic ocean
Worth
dark crag
100k honor, can you give me 13k?
stone crescent
Hey guys, was it just the abberation 2% belt, crit boots, and frost damage wrist that are worth it for us in terms of benthic gear?
Checked the guide before and it didnt mention if the gloves were worth it
Ive got the boots and bracers, not sure if I should be going for the gloves
rigid mango
Waist is 3rd best
the one that deals damage and gains threat is pretty damn good
Aslong as they're socketed they're all very hard to replace, the hands seem pretty aright too
arctic walrus
How good is the "3 different spells on the same target" ring
compared to the behind target one
vapid scarab
I mean
if you can be behind the target you choose that one
if you can't you do the other one
stone crescent
damage and threat better than abberation dmg u reckon?
Gloves are bis for ele shamans, wasnt sure if they were good for rogue
rigid mango
It's better for anything that's not abberations, for sure
fleet whale
so is running lucid major bad now
opal minnow
if you have blood rank 3, yes. if you do not have blood rank 3, most likely no.
in an case, raidbots.com will give you an answer specific to you.
unreal perch
Iris 2 for me right now is comparable atm, but because I don't have bote
rigid mango
As a major?
unreal perch
ye
rigid mango
Zoinks
unreal perch
the difference for me between using iris as a major and a minor atm are very small in favour of lucid
fleet whale
BoTE and Lucid should not be on the gcd
unreal perch
because they need to be stronger...
dire spoke
lol
fleet whale
it's shit gameplay though
unreal perch
not really
fleet whale
lawl, now we've gotten to a state where we think the gcd change in bfa is now a good thing
unreal perch
never really said it's a good thing, but not EVERY buff or ability needs to be off it
fleet whale
you could maybe argue for bote, but lucid should be off the gcd 100% for what it does
unreal perch
because it gives you unlimited energy for a while?
fleet whale
it's no different than A-rush which was off the gcd before BFA. Plus the very nature of the ability is to spam buttons
it being on the gcd contradicts that
rigid mango
With sin being like it is, does the GCD change much?
unreal perch
probably not
rigid mango
Exactly.
unreal perch
since again, you do it when you aren't pressing buttons anyways
fleet whale
I mean part of the issue is when i try to cast it, i can't cause of the gcd
hazy iron
Then you’re casting it at the wrong time
You should be casting it when you can’t do anything
fleet whale
i use mutilate, i'm low on energy
hazy iron
This, the gcd doesn’t matter
unreal perch
then wait until gcd is done?
hazy iron
Thus**
fleet whale
so you think A rush should be on the GCD? how about vendetta with it's energy refill?
unreal perch
it really doesn't interrupt flow that much
fleet whale
tell that to the tanking subs
hazy iron
Oh god
Yes, literally every unsub was due to the gcd change and not the boring content outside of raids, 4head
Why are you here
fleet whale
has the game gotten better since cause of the gcd change though?
hazy iron
No, that’s not the point you’re trying to make
unreal perch
that's some bad cause and effect
"GCD changed, subs went down, therefore it's all because GCD changes"
fleet whale
the point i'm trying to make is that an ability like lucid should not be on the gcd. That goes back to design philosophy of BFA
unreal perch
it makes no difference for us on or off the GCD
hazy iron
And the point everyone else is trying to make is that it being in the gcd is meaningless if you use it correctly
drifting cloud
go to #wow-general if you wanna talk about pointless things
fleet whale
sure, doesn't make it any less pleasant gameplay wise
dusky tinsel
complaining about GCD on one of the lowest APM specs in the game 
rigid mango
Complaining about things that wont ever change
fleet whale
i would like to know why you guys think that these cds being on the gcd makes assassination better
hazy iron
It doesn’t, and no one said it did
But pretending like it makes it difficult is dumb
Or that it actually changes much
Low apm, plenty of time to wait for a gcd considering pooling is literally part of the rotation
Like, I dunno what else to say
fleet whale
Imagine how the legion opener would feel with leggo shoulders if vendetta was on the gcd
hazy iron
Yeah there’s no reason having it
fleet whale
taking lucid off the gcd would only bring positives to gameplay. Leaving on the gcd is either neutral or negative, i'll just leave it at that
rigid mango
Having all abilites off the GCD would be great, yeah.
civic palm
o _O
strange python
Is this... FF14? 🤔
sonic marten
is there a verdict on how pyrite infuser timewalked compares to other current trinkets, even as a filler
balmy quest
I should not have read the last 30 mins of this channel ugh 🤢
rigid mango
Thanks for your input on it
balmy quest
You're welcome
steep lagoon
How come the opener has changed? Did I miss something?
rigid mango
There's a very minor gain from doing it
steep lagoon
Before I went: Gar-Mut-Rup-Ven-TB-mut-Vanish-Envenom.. When did it change to mut-rup-mut-gar etc etc?
Oh, just saw something about it, and I was like waat
And btw, I see many use TB when at 4 cp.. Isn't that potentially capping and wasting a cp since it can award 2 cp?
balmy quest
The wasted CP is less of a DPS loss than using TB late
rigid mango
You want to be using TB on CD, regardless
Unless something is forcing you to not be hitting the TB target in the window
steep lagoon
Aye, thx 😃
civic palm
o _o
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sharp viper
holy crap that is sick gear
civic palm
¯_(ツ)_/¯
sharp viper
iam surprised it wants you to get 120 vers on rings
upper island
is double dose the play right now?
sharp viper
imagine if you could have double double dose on an azerite piece - quadruple dose 
nimble tartan
@arctic walrus 435 chest 👀
u gonna have enough to roll a rando mythic on tuesday bro?
arctic walrus
Yeah dude I had enough this week
rigid mango
I can do it too
arctic walrus
I only need 9k
rigid mango
Buy 430 and then buy next week
arctic walrus
probably less cuz I have some useless azerite in bags
I really thought 3 ttk would come out best for me but I'm probably lacking some pieces
sullen hearth
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iHyoaPXKpmwHnYWS4ZKKdx finally 50k honor and now i jus thave to learn how to play my class
if only i could actually do that in raid
rigid mango
I wouldn't use UT
sullen hearth
UT?
rigid mango
Undulating tides
rigid mango
Realistically, it's hot garbage
strange python
God those fucking pants Apex
sullen hearth
Just came back to the game so its a struggle
sullen hearth
whats wrong with the pants
barren forge
its just hot garbage if you are hot garbage
sullen hearth
I mean it gets popped sometimes when I feint and everything like mythic Radiance just will put UT on CD every other time
azure sluice
yo how many envone should ihave durning toxic blade outside vendta and lucid dream
envenom *
azure sluice
can i do 2.5 ?
rigid mango
azure sluice
like 3 cp envnom
rigid mango
cerulean walrus
How tf do you half cast a finisher?
azure sluice
well you get the point XD
cerulean walrus
No?
azure sluice
4cp 2 envome 3cp 1 envome during toxicblade
also shall i save some energy before toxic blade?
vapid scarab
of course
idle ember
Finally got a new trinket, 440 Vision of Demise vs my 395 Gift 
nimble tartan
must be nice bro
sullen hearth
@rigid mango so you think dropping UT traits and using Scent of Blood on those pieces is better?
bc thats all they got on them
sullen hearth
I mean i know itll obviously sim worse
arctic walrus
what content do you usually do
sullen hearth
I mean weve cleared heroic and first 3 bosses mythic we arent great but outside of that i just run M+
drifting cloud
how much TR do you have?
sullen hearth
I just came back so im down to 10k
after that 430 piece i got
but ill roll when i can again
drifting cloud
you can always roll hc pieces after next weeks clear if you dont get anything
sullen hearth
thatll be my plan, the raid azerite is just not great besides the helm
well the chest is fine i guess
but still UT is on it
strange python
I'm wondering if my opener is a bit shit? I'm using MA.
I Gar > Mut > Rup > Ven > Van > Toxic > Mut > Env > Mut > Env
Should I be moving my Tox before Van for more MA Env dmg?
civic palm
!guide
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rigid mango
Tis in there^
bronze spire
how many people rock the punchcard?
rigid mango
A lot
keen ocean
Do we have a BiS red punchcard list yet
rigid mango
Cyclonic or don't use.
vestal carbon
Hey guys was looking for help, which azerite should I roll first on tuesday (445)?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/63iMZ52VUu3w4YFE7m6cRC
drifting cloud
you can also just sim them all on raidbots, theres even an option so you dont have to do it by hand
vestal carbon
Thank you
bronze spire
raidbots sims dribbling inkpod better than the font?!
drifting cloud
do you have nightly version?
rigid mango
Link sims.
drifting cloud
probably not
rigid mango
I'm banking on that it's on weekly yeah
bronze spire
thx sorry im kinda scrub at some of this simming stuff lol
strange python
do you pop asvhanes coral on trash in m+?
rigid mango
Generally, just always sim nightly
bronze spire
I play outlaw in m+
deft magnet
!Essence
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rigid mango
Your font is only 415
and I'm guessing the 15 ilvl diff + 2 on use is enough to make inkpod better
bronze spire
awesome well thanks for helping me out with that!
worn crag
Guys would you recommend to roll for 430 Azerite pieces or 445?
rigid mango
445
but depends on your situation I suppose
@arctic walrus
can u sim ur setup ess wise
vs lucid M wv m?
arctic walrus
Ess?
rigid mango
essences
civic palm
essence
candid mica
rigid mango
Also have you checked if life force outsims yourn setup?
nimble tartan
anyone else at 39k sim 😃
drifting cloud
me!
rigid mango
not me 
drifting cloud
actually im under 39 even 
harsh sphinx
sub 39k coming in
rigid mango
silk shore
what are the go-to azerite traits for mythic+ ?
silk shore
i have 3 SS and 1 EB for the moment, so im fine? 😛
rigid mango
Ish, sure
drifting cloud
depends what the last 2 are, but yeah thats a decent starting point
silk shore
rigid mango
I'm not a personal fan of 3 SS stacking unless running KR, but yeah
NP is meh, BBI is aight
Your setup's pretty good for tyr KR.
cobalt gyro
3ss exssang for tyrannical king's rest 
silk shore
😄
drifting cloud
its still a decent overall setup, unless you want to minmax m+
better than doing it with 3 dd 
silk shore
i have a group of friends with who we are doing 10 keyz and im trying to optimise myself
rigid mango
If you're spamming 10 keys
I'd pref going 2/2/2 or just 3 eb and whatever else
just smash
it just always works
silk shore
rigid mango
There's a lot of optimisation and minmaxing when it comes to higher end keys
I'd prefer that setup.
silk shore
but when deciding between NP and DD, what would you take?
silk shore
thanks 😃 but it is just annoying how much more effort in gearing assasination requires comparing to outlaw :d
rigid mango
It is, more annoying early one, more rewarding later on
silk shore
ty for helping Zine 😃
rigid mango
gl my dude 😄
cobalt gyro
realistically ur only casting mutilates for priority dmg or on bosses
dd won't get value 99% of the time
rigid mango
DD is so obnoxiously bad it's actually so tragic seeing people playing it
distant mist
placid dawn
strange python
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wA7jdJDs4y3rDKhCFJy8G Hey, any idea why i am simming so low? 😮
rigid mango
Low azerite, no 2nd slot, benthic, low daggers, meh trinkets, few sockets
Also, sim on nightly not weekly
strange python
what do u mean by nightly and weekly? 😮
strange python
Okey
lethal flare
Is it more efficient to save residuum and roll for 445 azerite or should I try to get bis 430 first?
rigid mango
Depends on your situation
lethal flare
I do well in 10 keys so I’m not worried about that but plan to be hitting mythic raids in a week or 2
No bis from last season though
rigid mango
Then 445
If you're raiding hc the pieces from there are good enough
And if you're getting enough residuum to roll every 2-3 weeks it's worth it for 445
lethal flare
Okay thanks zine
daring basalt
Should you channel font of power fully or what?
rigid mango
Yes.
daring basalt
thanks
ionic arrow
Im comming from outlaw back to sin and I am already frustrated by making different Azerit Set ups for m+ and raiding. I found doing it raid more difficult, cause like echo doing no dmg in single target. So do you guys have different peaces for raid or can you recommend me some traits/ der up that I can run for the whole run. How do you guys handle this? :)
turbid sapphire
what are the best traits for assassination rogue
ionic arrow
*set up
waxen valve
Dont :)
lethal flare
@ionic arrow herodamage.com
acoustic latch
@lethal flare Do you happend to know, trinket wise, if herodamage also is the site to go for? I am asking as I was used to bloodmallet. Herodamage looks really nice with a lot of info
solid nova
@nimble tartan stop.
exotic rose
Hey guys, I see a lot of rogue on for example Commander Sivara on mythic using the Pocket-Sized Computation Device. What are the punch cards usually taken?
sharp viper
can you change essences in gear compare? i want to sim the raid trinkets and bote rank 3 - all of which i don't have yet
cursive mortar
is worth waiting 30 sec for vendetta to use BoTE or should I use it on cooldown?
lean coral
heady ridge
people getting 40k while i get half that amount with about the same ilvl ;_;
nimble tartan
i cant imagine the feeling of beign done farming pearlies on the alts...
must be nice bnro...
clever niche
Hello all, i got the coral trinket and i already read i should line it up with vendetta but whats than after 20 sec? I don´t get it to handle it, save the stacks for a special situation or fire it out immediately?
lethal flare
@acoustic latch I use bloodmallet for my trinkets
acoustic latch
ah okay, interesting
formal willow
boots>wrists>waist right? for benthic gear
exotic rose
Hey guys, when to use the Cyclotronic blast on rotation?
lethal flare
Use it when you’re low on energy. Not during vendetta @exotic rose
@formal willow yeah
exotic rose
Awesome, thanks.
ionic arrow
Does raidbots sim every trait on the item or just the one that I selected?
marble elm
just the ones you select
uneven summit
Do people use Pawn, is it reliable now? I know you need to sim it anyway, but can it be used as a helping hand? Back in the day it was unreliable so never looked into it again
solid nova
No, I don't rate it
long hill
is this thing worth or i should open more for the frost wrist?
royal lantern
richard, you should probably update the pins, that for the wrist frost dmg/puffer fish is good
or somone
idk
solid nova
Yee
uneven summit
I have a question..
solid nova
425 non socket 
uneven summit
the socketed ones sim alot better than Benthic ones, but the benthic ones do they sim correctly with the equip 😛
royal lantern
oh, w8, no socket
uneven summit
@solid nova tried for ages
royal lantern
try for 9 more ages 
solid nova
Yikes from me dawg
uneven summit
can you get your pearls back by scrapping :O?
solid nova
No
balmy condor
so many wasted pearls 
uneven summit
would´ve been nice huh
solid nova
430 socket Simming higher just solidifies the waste on the pearls
vestal wren
its mainly the socket tho
uneven summit
Okay, i was under the understanding when i went for the benthic one, that the equip and shit was the important part, so after trying for a socket for aaaaages i just said fuck it
uneven summit
Heard you the first time
solid nova
tropic ocean
poor pellamie
strange python
RIP
fallen sapphire
Hey chaps for benthic gear I'm simming: Hands (poens) +946dps > Belt (vims) +729dps then boots and wrists are coming in at +428dps and +532 dps. I've seen rogues gunning for boots first, should I aim for that or what is simming highest for me at the moment?
tropic ocean
did you sim them with socket and proper itemlevel?
my 400 boots outsim 430 socketed ones
fallen sapphire
Yes 425 with socket
tropic ocean
by 600 dps
and they outsim my bracers as well
(410)
with socket
the hands are bugged anyway in sim the sim with 100% dmg proc so its not accurate
but boots is def highest upgrade for sin by a large margin
scarlet sequoia
gloves are still good, usually like 1% of my damage
fallen sapphire
Well the pins say ""But what Benthic gear should I get?"
Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations (Orgozoa and Za'qul)
Wrist: Frost damage"
tropic ocean
yeah and that is correct
fallen sapphire
But poen's gloves are pulling way ahead of anything for me. How do you know it's bugged?
tropic ocean
they sim as if they procced dmg 100% of the time
but it varies between proccing heal and dmg
fallen sapphire
Ah!
fallen sapphire
Well that's bloody stupid
tropic ocean
577 dps
marble elm
in practice for me the gloves do relatively the same damage as bracerrs
tropic ocean
in all boss kills 8/8 bracers did 741k dmg for me or 320 dps
marble elm
sometimes slightly lower
gloomy steppe
What is our opening on 2 targets with master assassin? Queen Azshara, for example. My thoughts are:
1)Garrote->4-5cp rupture+Lurker's insidious gift on one target
2)4-5cp+garrote on other target
3)Essence of the Focusing Iris on both of them
4)Vendetta+vanish+toxic blade
5)Normal rotation on 2 targets
But I'm afraid it is not very optimal.
nimble tartan
i got desperate and spent 200 pearls on my main
on gloves
i got about 15 poens
no socket 😃
nimble tartan
rivory on 2 target id just set bleed ups on both then go into normal venetta vanish
id prob do bleeds in MA on 2 target just to get bleeds up and start my vendetta vanish going
for opener tbh
tropic ocean
what I did on queens court was mut rupture mut garrote switch
set up bleeds then vendetta tb vanish pump
might not be most optimal with ma, but was 96%tile so I guess its ok
fallen sapphire
@nimble tartan That's kinda where I'm at trying to get them, that's why I'm thinking forget the gloves and try something else. By definition the gloves say 'send out droplets' - so does that mean they heal OR dps depending on what they come into contact with? or is the proc itself going to be a 50/50 of a heal or damage? because I have no idea!
nimble tartan
96
gloomy steppe
But when will I use essence then?
tropic ocean
like you would use it normally
nimble tartan
ye
tropic ocean
can't really help you with iris I don't use pad essence so it doesn't change for me 😛
gloomy steppe
Well we use tactic to kill all small adds in the center using this essence. So it;s kinda mandatory 😃
tropic ocean
we do too but theres way better ppl to use that essence than assa
the important part is blasting add and boss with bl so you lose a lot of dps by using iris major on st
nimble tartan
those adds die so fast its not worth using beam for that one moment
tropic ocean
for heroic iirc u need 4? iris to just melt them (with passive cleave from hunters dh etc)
marble elm
using iris on aszhara 
nimble tartan
topaz trout
enjoy
nocturne gate
why perfecto(and the one rogue from i guess pieces) playin with leeching poison ?
scarlet sequoia
because its healing in the whatever its called phase
= longer in there
and you dont need cheat death if you can do mechanics
nocturne gate
interesting
cobalt pelican
ok thanks
cobalt gyro
leeching isn't a terrible choice in some situations
like fights with high constant damage
i ran it on jaina prog when we were having trouble keeping up w/the dot early on
tropic ocean
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strange python
Hi guys can u say my why are my Logs a bit trash? its because my Essences and Traits?
vestal wren
why is you 430 dagger in offhand?
strange python
its outlaw
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
minor mulch
!azerite
dark crag
Then you are in the wrong channel
twin bay
is the inkpod trinket affected by vendetta and crit dmg of bote?
strange python
@dark crag no because im playling outlaw only in m+ and raid only assa.
mighty elm
well just checking 5 first seconds on lady ashvane
why did you rupture 2 times in the first 5 seconds
cant be bothered looking through more as its in german
strange python
tbh i dont know 😄 mine is in english hm
mighty elm
there is a translate button 😮 i never knew
strange python
@mighty elm if u can help me really appreciate that
dark crag
On behemoth your vendetta windows look ok, but between them it looks like you do not much, swim phase aside
mighty elm
PM'd u
spare dust
Use bratwurstiger stoß in your metzgerei window
dark crag
Use schnitzel on cd
mighty elm
😂
strange python
@dark crag depend it on my playstyle or my traits maybe?
dark crag
I am on mobile currently, but it looks like you do some mistakes between vendetta windows
I looked at my hc behemoth kill, where i forgot poisons in opener and got my font sabotaged
devout gazelle
So guys the go to option for single target pot is the one with the fire damage?
dark crag
Yes
twin bay
crit pot got nerfed
but i think if u realy need to burst something asap it could be better for that
not sure tho
devout gazelle
yea seems legit thanks 😃
royal lantern
still gonna use my crit pots, didnt waste so much gold for nothing .___.
royal lantern
🤷 use them
strange python
Idk maybe gonna sell and craft fire pots if they are crap now
royal lantern
they are not crap
why do people think just because Y is slightly better X is crap lol
strange python
Ofc pots get nerfed but this benthic bs not🤣🤣🤣 425 gear being better than 455🤣🤣
im triggered af ran EP HC with randoms on alt and want to cancel my sub and beat a hole in my wall
Stupid trash cans
solid nova
tropic ocean
wdym just a game
strange python
Im @strange pythonvane on alt and been trying to kill this bitch with randoms for 3 days now of course I’m annoyed @hollow wraith fucking NPC‘s finding their way to a raid
solid nova
@strange python Got something sin related to talk about or just qqing in spec channels?
strange python
@solid nova I don’t See sin related stuff in your above posting too
solid nova
@strange python Doesnt belong in spec channels, take it somewhere else.
strange python
hi guys. I was lucky enough both the ashvane trinket (razor coral) and the azshara one (font of power) and cannot for the life of me figure out how to use them effectively. They sim highest, but any suggestions on what sequence to use them since they pop each other on a 15s internal cooldown?
mighty elm
I dont have font but id probably just use font until last vendetta and then use coral instead. not sure if there is a better way to use it
coral itself does good dmg just having it on the enemy
mighty elm
thats how i use coral on HC azshara atleast and it feels effective to just stack it up
strange python
thanks mate. i'll give that a go
crystal vault
are the frost bracers (benthic) still the best? i think sims arent accurate since it wont procc that much in a real fight?
fathom wyvern
So when my toxic blade comes off cd mid rotation, do i wanna pop it right away on cd or pool up to max energy before using it?
vocal kelp
Use on cd
fathom wyvern
even if im all out of energy?
tropic ocean
you shouldn'T be out of energy when it comes off cd
you need to prepare your tb windows
royal lantern
you should aim too not be in that situation at all
vocal kelp
Well if u are out of energy youre pmaying it wrong
fathom wyvern
so if im spamming muti -> evenom and am out of energy i play wrong?
vocal kelp
^
fathom wyvern
pmaying?
vocal kelp
Playing*
fathom wyvern
ah
royal lantern
and outside of TB, just use mulitate>envenom too dump energy so you dont overcap
and then try too have some energy+ 3-4 cp readdy when tb is off cd
royal lantern
so you can go tb>envenom
fathom wyvern
so i dont wanna blow all energy and sit empty?
tropic ocean
you want to fill as much globals as you can
while not dropping dots
and having close to full energy and 3-4 cp when tb comes off
fathom wyvern
but lets say after tb ends and im at 0 energy, dots are 10 sec left
i pool up energy to like 75-100 and just keep dots up?
and evenom here and there to not overcap?
tropic ocean
you use mutilate and envenom
while making sure you'll have enough energy to not drop dot
garrote 5.4 seconds left refresh, rupture 7.2 seconds left refresh
+- depending on whats happening in encounter
fathom wyvern
Yee i have a wa that glows on those timers
fathom wyvern
but i wanna make sure ive refreshed them before i blow TB right? so they dont run out mid tb
tropic ocean
yes
vocal kelp
Yes
fathom wyvern
so dots > tb
tropic ocean
no
and yes
like just dont overdo it
if ur tb comes off and rupture garrote is 10s+
u dont need to refresh
tropic ocean
yes
fathom wyvern
Ahh ok
tropic ocean
if you play correct it should happen naturally
fathom wyvern
im kinda new to assa so still improving
tropic ocean
its just a general rule of thumb there will be exceptions depending on encounter
fathom wyvern
ye ofc
if its a small burst window, lets say an add spawn or something its not really worth dotting up as dots wont get more than 2-3 ticks off
tropic ocean
like for example if there is a phase where boss takes increased dmg and ur raid will bl, you e.g. want to refresh dots so they dont fall of during that duration so u can just pump envenoms
fathom wyvern
yee
tropic ocean
depends on what you are doing like its a case by case decision
in mythic plus if I need energy I use rupture on explosive to fill it up
fathom wyvern
ye
tropic ocean
on azshara i dont starve energy 😄
fathom wyvern
whats the bets essence if i have rank 3 pvp and rank 3 lucid to run? if they kinda sim the same is there any pros and cons with the other?
severe bough
Bote 3 major lucid minor
Is afaik whats simming the best
It does to me by a decent amount
cobalt pelican
if bloodlucid and lucid/x are simming within a few dps of each other always play bloodlucid
it's more reliable, more burst, and has aoe options (though rarely required)
severe bough
I prepare blood major the same i prepare tb
Have energy, have 3-5 cps
Big envenom crits
proven talon
when is blood of the enemy good to use, rank 2 or 3
cursive cloak
Hey guys, when running sims for stat weights in a raid environment would you use patchwerk or cleave add ?
cursive cloak
okay ty!
rigid mango
@wise whale pb
wise whale
thx
i run 2eb 2ttk 1ss and i kinda think that ttk is a waste because i barely have time to use env
all the combo points are getting spent on keeping the dits on 3 targets
rigid mango
If you barely have time to env, you're doing something wrong :D
ionic arrow
when I have 5 cp; I pooled energy and tb comes of cd, do I still put tb in or do I envonm first and tb on next pooling?
rigid mango
Tb on cd
wise whale
i have bothe dots on 3 targets and i am foking
ionic arrow
so tb > capping cp
wise whale
and i can put like 2 env befor the first dot runs out
strange python
why is master assassin run over subterfuge in raids?
rigid mango
Yes, using tb at 5 even critting to 7 is better than potentially delaying tb
Ma is better for patchwerk and boss damage
crystal vessel
rigid mango
SS + sub is better on sub 2 min fights, cleave fights and parse padding
crystal vessel
Why would this have me not hold the vendetta for the 5 seconds?