assassination

[marble hemlock]

not that many large packs this season tho

[bleak spoke]

Yeah that’s true

[marble hemlock]

beguiling ><

[bleak spoke]

Man these essences would have been so fun with reaping

I’m kinda sad

What setup are you playing in keys now seli?

[marble hemlock]

3ttk 2ss 1eb

[tribal marlin]

I traded 1xSS to have the 445 inge helm tho

[bleak spoke]

Oh okay

[marble hemlock]

focusing more on cleave/prio

[tribal marlin]

rip 3xSS

[marble hemlock]

others can do aoe

[bleak spoke]

I guess we get restealth more now

[marble hemlock]

hmye

and pulls are smaller

much smaller

[bleak spoke]

Really sad yeah

[rigid mango]

seli whaddaya think about font for m+

[bleak spoke]

Font is definitely bis

[tribal marlin]

it's soooooo annoying that thoose emissary prevent you from restealth while casting their portals

[rigid mango]

Like

I'm so fucking bad at using it

[marble hemlock]

font is gonna be huge

[rigid mango]

But it feels really nice

[marble hemlock]

with all the breaks between pulls these days

[rigid mango]

I've jhsut done w pugs too

[bleak spoke]

Does the stun thing from ptr still work

[marble hemlock]

whether its waiting for an emissary to despawn

[rigid mango]

YHeah

Fair

[bleak spoke]

Where when you stun it it despawns

[marble hemlock]

or healer drinking

[rigid mango]

Ye

[marble hemlock]

probably, never tried actually

[rigid mango]

I mean I'm just not used to it and pug tanks

[marble hemlock]

ill do it this run to see

it was stun at like 5%

[rigid mango]

Something's causing them to

insta despawn

might be stun?

[marble hemlock]

and then when it hits 0% it insta despawns instead of casting, right?

[bleak spoke]

I though it was stun right before channel

[marble hemlock]

well yeha, thats what i meant 😄

[bleak spoke]

Before it becomes immune or something

Yee

Here come the 1 point kidneys

[stuck knoll]

It does Lettuce

[bleak spoke]

Alright that’s sick then

[stuck knoll]

Dj was showing me with bte

[bleak spoke]

If I were outlaw I’d probably vanish cheap for that

Not tryna bte a 0 hp target ;o

And it doesn’t dr anyway

[stuck knoll]

Well he was trying to BtE at 20%

[bleak spoke]

Ambitious

[stuck knoll]

To finish it off

[bleak spoke]

Well I guess not if he had ace

Man I still don’t know how much to put into the tide emissary as sin

Like either I don’t do much to it and it doesn’t die and we get into a shitty situation or I focus it and I put too much

Maybe will be different on higher keys and a non explosive week

[tribal marlin]

I didn't really dive into m+ too much so far

but for the tiny 15-16 I did, the emissary start having a tons of health

I wanted to play OL but they asked me to play sin

because other peeps in my group was dps whore and I was the only one that deal decent dmg to bosses ...

[white basalt]

The higher the key/mob healthpools, the more sin becomes advantageous over outlaw, right?

[bleak spoke]

Nah

Breakpoints are important and kill timers

[tribal marlin]

I don't know, OL still have pretty decent prio target dmg and for me at least OL+415 wep is 5k higher than assa+430wep in dj slice

[bleak spoke]

Like if you kill a boss in 2:10 sin looks ass

Idk if dungeon slice gets good restealths

[rigid mango]

Dungeonslice sims for sin

[bleak spoke]

Seems real inaccurate

[rigid mango]

Entirely scuffed shite there

[bleak spoke]

Like cuz the energy reset from garrotes into rupture just propels you forward

[white basalt]

On lowish keys it feels like shit does to fast for me to out damage an outlaw as sin.

Dies

[strange python]

^

[tribal marlin]

is it worth it to go for protocol for the annihilated thingy in keys ?

[civic palm]

Yes, check blue posts O _O

[tribal marlin]

ye I just checked it that's why I'm askin 😄

[civic palm]

Still kinda random on who gets popped, but it at least isn't obnoxious now.

[bleak spoke]

Man I can’t wait for the purification beam on bolstering weeks

[civic palm]

o _O

[pseudo hamlet]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[sick eagle]

SS damage is increased by mastery right?

[civic palm]

Not directly.

[sick eagle]

what does that mean?

[tropic ocean]

I think he meant mastery increases the dmg of your bleed

but not the ss trait directly

[civic palm]

Correct, SS DMG is added to Garrote, then the entirety of Garrote is modified by your Mastery.

IIRC

Could very easily just be a flat increase at the END of the damage formula.

[sick eagle]

oh so that is good

[tropic ocean]

mastery is good yes

[civic palm]

Ye.

[strange python]

Should I stick with Vigor or take Deeper Stratagem?

[royal lantern]

vigor

[cosmic prism]

guys when do i refresh my dots? whats the timings for both?

[royal lantern]

[tropic ocean]

@cosmic prism 7.2 rupture 5.4 garrote

[strange python]

Do i want more than 30% flat Crit Chance?

[rigid mango]

Sim it.

[tropic ocean]

if your sim tells you, yes

if not, no

[strange python]

The thing is, sims tells me its almost the last stat i want to use, mastery/vers being top, but for some reason it also tells me to socket Crit Stones instead...

and im already at 30.7% crit

[tropic ocean]

sim top gear

not stat weight

stat weight doesn't consider the gain while changing

[strange python]

oh kk

[tropic ocean]

so if u replace gems while you replace them the stat might already be worse again

(on stat weights)

[strange python]

That would explain it all

[tropic ocean]

😃 glad to help

[strange python]

Thx

[nimble tartan]

god simming the belt that splits crit/haste between your allies must be a pain bro

how am i suposed to know how many gamers in my group splittin with me bro

[digital dove]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tough whale]

Thatll likely be a new sim strat

But its VERY difficult to add because youd have optiosn for every storm piece

[gloomy slate]

Bro

[tough whale]

cloth leather plate mail

and how many of each

it would likely monch up all the iterations

[nimble tartan]

i asked and its on the list for raidbots to be implemented soon tm

with a dropdown

[rancid bobcat]

the stat split items split for everyone in the raid right?

[nimble tartan]

yeah

it was like ~44 stats each split

so if you have 2 people with it u get 88~ stat etc

but then there's also the split between haste and crit

the belt seems p good tbh, might not be better than abberation belt on relevant bosses

but i thnk it could be better than the phys belt p easily

[main mirage]

I see so many people using blood of the enemy, but for me rank 2 lucid sims higher than rank 3 blood. Do people use blood because lucid is too clunky to optimize or what?

[nimble tartan]

nope blood sim higher for me

[main mirage]

Im having such a hard time simming my char this patch lol, because of all this new shit

[rigid mango]

Do you only have 1 slot?

[main mirage]

No i have major and 1 minor

For patchwerk 5 min, it tells me to use lucid 2 and world vein 2 (ofc, if my guildies use it too)

[cobalt pelican]

blood sims lower than lucid because you have lucid 2

and lucid 2 does not have the same sort of minor value as lucid 3

if you check the same gear with lucid 3 as the minor you'll likely see blood pull ahead by a decent margin

[main mirage]

I'll sim it out real quick

But lucid 3 is also locked behind a time gate right?

[cobalt pelican]

6k follower xp, most people playing since patch day got it within 2 weeks

[mint prairie]

Hello, I'm wondering if there was a change for weapon enchant? Here is the sim

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aq38YZVm4pfedmD26BWggr

[main mirage]

Ye, i got a late start ^^

[mint prairie]

They told me to swap enchant for weapons, kinda weird?

[cobalt pelican]

what do you mean

you only ticked deadly/masterful mainhand and force offhand in the sim

[mint prairie]

Oh silly me ! Thanks :p

[sullen hearth]

so how do we use Cyclotronic blast

[rigid mango]

it's in the pins in #wow-general

[sullen hearth]

ok ty

that was simple enough

[shell lodge]

Oof, so gambling azerite shoulder piece i want costs about 40k+, i have like 33k residium. Or whatever its called. Right... guees ill w8 those 3 months

[cobalt pelican]

you get like 20k a week

from a 15 key

[rigid mango]

it's 47.5k

you need 2x 18+ to get it every two weeks

[shell lodge]

Or just try and get the 415-420 ( ;3 ). Piece for now

[vestal wren]

415 why

[rigid mango]

Nah, RNG'ing the piece is for sure

SURE best

[last mortar]

is it better to mutilate opener instead of garrote with MA?

[shell lodge]

Oh yeah, 18+ or just 25+ key each week. Easy.

[rigid mango]

There is a very small gain from doing it

like

What are you trying to say

You want to get 415 azerite?

instead of just rng'ing the 445's?

Even with mediocre traits those 30 ilvls will matter a lot.

[shell lodge]

Yep, im aware. Im just pretty unpatient when i hype up for somethink.

Tho u are right, just gonna w8 untill this 47k or 200k

[rigid mango]

No, 47k

not 200k

200k is giga stupid

You have 4 chances to get a 1/6 chance at bis

instead of a guaranteed

and even then, getting pieces that aren't BiS for St might be for m+, vice versa

[faint harness]

depends on what content you do

[shell lodge]

Oh boi, u dont know me. If i go for gambling, i will get the piece im looking for in next expansion

[crisp steppe]

???

[urban junco]

[crisp steppe]

U think blizzard is out to spite you lmao

yikes

you're just an anonymous 13$ to them

[faint harness]

you'll afford that 445 when its irrelevant if you go for specific

[crisp steppe]

you're also not perpetually unlucky

you're just remembering negative experiences

[shell lodge]

Im more of a Raids guys, cuz never have rly enought time to do m+ with guild, and pugs want Cutting edge on everythink 3k arena rating and recomendation from a president in order to join group.

[rigid mango]

So then you have a 2/3 chance

sorr

1/3

to get a really good piece for raid

[shell lodge]

Cant u like. Drop same stuff multiple times?

[rigid mango]

What?

[faint harness]

go engineering

ez 445 azerite head

[crisp steppe]

I wouldn't invite you to my pugs either

you have no credentials

why would I take you ov er someone that has proven themselves

no reason to cry about this

[faint harness]

cus entitlement

all of the ppl who complain about the group finder are ppl that shouldnt be invited

[rigid mango]

Shoulders have 2/6 good pieces, chest has like, a bunch of diff ones depending on setup

head is just wack

not rng'ing pieces is just, stupid.

[crisp steppe]

gambling is great. theres not many completely useless pieces

just get those 445s going

then see what you want to do

[rigid mango]

You seem very passionate about this

[shell lodge]

Zine, What im saying, is for that ONE specific piece of azerite shouldery etc. I could farm longer than IT takes to gather 200k. Okay, ill drop one that is better than 420 i currently have, fair, ill use IT, and then after 2weeks, drops somethink worse, then same thing, etc etc.

[urban junco]

[quasi ledge]

Is that meant to be readable?

[rigid mango]

I really don't see your argument.

[vestal wren]

everyone can do as he wants, in general given the time effort to get residuum its a very "long term" thing to go for specific pieces

[lone junco]

the capital IT is weirding me out.

[rigid mango]

Also, I've got no clue what you're trying to say either

^

[tall narwhal]

guys how is 'loyal to the end' trait for m+ ?

[faint harness]

probably on phone right

[polar dagger]

what do you think would be better for m+ 3 x ttk / 2 x SS / 1 x Eb or 2 ss / 2ttk / 2eb

[faint harness]

always capitalizes IT

[quasi ledge]

Think he's trying to say if he gambles the same slot constantly to try get BiS, it could take him longer than farming 200k

[rigid mango]

The absolute spam of "," is making it unreadable

@polar dagger I'd say both are pretty equal

comes down to personal pref/dungeon/setup

[faint harness]

@tall narwhal if all 5 in the party is using loyal it should be good

[polar dagger]

alright thanks

[tall narwhal]

oh thats how it works

well...

i see, thanks

then its probably not that good for pugs

:<

[faint harness]

Probably not

[crisp steppe]

not having bis is fine bro.

[quasi ledge]

@shell lodge Don't gamble the same piece, gamble each slot seperately until you have full 445 pieces. Then you can start gambling for BiS or save the 200k, up to you

[shell lodge]

yEs sMaRt bOi tHatS exAcLy wHaT iM tryInG to SaY... ffs.

[rigid mango]

[crisp steppe]

just get some good azerite in ur slots

[rigid mango]

Like

What I'm saying is this:

[crisp steppe]

all u need

[rigid mango]

RNG'ing random pieces still gives you a good chance to get a good/optimal/BiS piece every time you roll.

[cobalt pelican]

rolling chest is like guaranteed to be an upgrade for most people

unless you have some insane shit

[rigid mango]

Balancing the potential value of getting a good enough piece to then be able to RNG another one against waiting for fucking ages

[cobalt pelican]

like 5/6 are upgrades for me even if one is like filthy transfusion

[quasi pewter]

like me getting blighted tribe

[shell lodge]

Pls let Zine finish

[rigid mango]

I need shoulders atm

[tall narwhal]

unless u roll venture co chest

[nimble tartan]

azshara hands are better than benthic hands

[tall narwhal]

and cry in a corner

[nimble tartan]

get scammed

[rigid mango]

and I've got a 2/6 chance to get something obvious that's a good enough upgrade

[cobalt pelican]

azshara has no hands she is a fish moron omr . . .

[quasi pewter]

venture co is alright tbh

[faint harness]

She still has hands, wtf

[cobalt pelican]

stay woke sheeple

[rigid mango]

If I get that either tent laced or goraks, I'll go and roll chest/helm

[nimble tartan]

i was lookin at my logs and other rogue and that arcane shit do hecka damage more than the proc from benthic gloves...

[rigid mango]

because those pieces are good enough.

[faint harness]

depends on when you pull OMR

[rigid mango]

Waiting for so long just to go get BiS when 200k is after serious people's prog

[faint harness]

if you pull right as the storm goes off, they'll do less

[rigid mango]

Is just unrealistic

[cobalt pelican]

2 min break between pulls

[rigid mango]

Doing near 20's eveyr week getting near ~30k residuum a week

[cobalt pelican]

for storm

[nimble tartan]

i looked at like 5 different logs cimparing my hands to the frost

[faint harness]

2 min timer for storm pls

[nimble tartan]

in my same puls

and it always did more

[rigid mango]

still means I've got another like, 5 weeks before I get BiS

[nimble tartan]

like 50k more

[faint harness]

fair enough

[rigid mango]

and by that point our prog is way over or barely matters

[shell lodge]

Alright Zine, basicly get 445 on everythink like Showbiz said, dont care about traits and after that gamble. Right?

[slender stag]

Where i can find best benthic gear for rogue?

[cobalt pelican]

isn't it just 60k aoe dmg every 2 mins

do your poens just suk

[faint harness]

like the pieces these days will never be so shit that they wont be useable

that was changed in 8.1

[slender stag]

is there any guide or something

[nimble tartan]

im comparing that to like a 425 poens

in same pulls

on ashvane prog

i mean its like 60k hit every 2 minutes itll add up

and it can crit

it seemed just pound for pound better

[faint harness]

well yea they are bis

and yes better than benthic

[arctic walrus]

But benthic doooood

[nimble tartan]

im free bro

i was rolling gloves too...

[faint harness]

i didnt

cus i knew

that azshara gloves were better

[nimble tartan]

these are fuckin normal azshara gloves too btw

[cobalt pelican]

do all 3 things hit st

if there's not 3 mobs

[rigid mango]

@shell lodge ofc youc are about traits

[cobalt pelican]

or wtf

[nimble tartan]

yeah

[faint harness]

yes they do

[rigid mango]

If the piece is garbage, I'll roll again

[faint harness]

its 3x the proc on ST

[rigid mango]

but then it comes down to what boss drops what piece

and if I can realistically get an upgrade in that slot from a boss in raid for example

That is better than the piece I rolled

Etc

There are many factors into rolling, none of them are hard

[cobalt pelican]

i guess my poens only does like 100k on average in a 4 min fight which is 2 storm procs

[rigid mango]

It's basic logic.

[faint harness]

you can technically get 3 procs in 4 mins, but yea all depends on the god damn storm timing

[nimble tartan]

honestly its jut ufckin rng m8

[shell lodge]

Well on Eternal Palace i think only head is good. I have like 420-430 azerite piece on me. Some of them give me pretty good traits tho could be better. So if i roll a 445 azerite pice with even worse traits, its still better cuz of pute ilvl etc?

[nimble tartan]

cause soemtimes the gloves just pop the fuck off bro

the benthic ones

[cobalt pelican]

gonna be rolling azshara hc for a while anyway

so i can get thiqy font

and hate myself

does mean i'll prolly upgrade poens last tho

[nimble tartan]

nvm carry on benthic stil better bro

[cobalt pelican]

no . .

[nimble tartan]

WE PEARLIES

[rigid mango]

No, there's a bunch of peices that are "good enough"

[cobalt pelican]

i'm not MADE of pearls

[faint harness]

just pray for socket

[rigid mango]

Take behemoth chest for example

TTK Loyal OP

It's good enough, not BiS, but it works

Compare that to my shoulders that are objectivly worse

[cobalt pelican]

i got de radiance shoulders now i just need

loyal homies

[rigid mango]

I'd rahter roll shoulders

I want them too

[cobalt pelican]

soon i'm gonna no longer be a member of 3ttk gang

[rigid mango]

My setup sounds so fucking scuffed

3 ttk dd np loyal 2 op 1 gr

What a mess

[faint harness]

loyal to the end is really good if you got the other 4 in raid using it

[rigid mango]

Yeah, we do

So it's p

[cobalt pelican]

we have 3 so far but on sunday

[faint harness]

wish i had at least one tbf

[cobalt pelican]

i'm putting my foot down

and some nibba gonna be taking a dps loss

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nu13a57dbpph3myFcsEhMy

this is my best simming gear rn

without the font apl command

2x loyal but not enough homies . .

[rigid mango]

I'm just banking on 1/3 for shoulders

🙏 goraks

[vagrant tapir]

Is ms gem really no good?

thought 5% in a gem would be huge

[cobalt pelican]

what's an ms gem

[vagrant tapir]

movement speed

[cobalt pelican]

oh

i mean

if you need to move

and can't do so by like

shadowstepping

or sprinting

does it even stack with longstrider

[vagrant tapir]

its the same reason speed rolls on gear are good

yeah

it does

movement speed = uptime

getting to the target faster is huge

Just surprising you dont see anyone using it

[scarlet sequoia]

seems like a -200 iq move to sacrifice 50 secondary stat for 5% movement speed

[royal lantern]

more speed=more uptime=more dps

duh

[cobalt pelican]

yeee idk i think move speed is cool but you'd have to be in a pretty weird situation to gain 150 dps from moving a tiny bit faster

[nimble tartan]

anyone else usng laser beam on ashvane B)

[waxen valve]

Literally 0.4 yards per sec :)

[faint harness]

the azerite beam?

[nimble tartan]

the iris

ye

[royal lantern]

probably quite good too break the bubbles?

[scarlet sequoia]

seems a bit troll to not use bote on ashvane considering u need big dmg during the shield downtime?

[nimble tartan]

looking at my logs we did like half the night btoe half the night iris and our ashvane damage was literaly the same

but we gained hecka add damage....

it really depends on ur group needs i think

[faint harness]

I feel like thats quite a bad move personally

the boss is about ST dmg and you're arguably the best ST spec in the game using the azerite beam

to kill bubbles

[nimble tartan]

yeah but our st didnt fall off really

comparing ashvane st damage between laser and bote but there is a point to be made on relevant burst damage

but we still figuring stuff out

[faint harness]

I mean let the other specs use the beam to free them? why would a rogue use it

[nimble tartan]

range 2 far

dh dont need warrior dont need

we running 4 rogue 1 dh 1 warrior

[faint harness]

4 rogues

[nimble tartan]

yeah so we have 4 rogues using laser

2 beams per bubble

so we alwas have 2 beam for every bubble

[faint harness]

whats the ST dps loss

for doing that

[nimble tartan]

it gave us some thicc help

from the logs virtually none

but from sim ill have to look when im at home

[faint harness]

i mean if you dont see a loss from using bote to iris you're doing something wrong with the blood

[nimble tartan]

no we all know how to play

our ashvane damage was super similiar looking at like 5 pulls between iris and bote

[faint harness]

but i mean if that was the case why wouldnt you just run the beam on any boss with some kind of adds

[nimble tartan]

some groups are better prepped for burst add damage than mine

[near vortex]

is a gem slot worth 15ilvl on a dagger?

[nimble tartan]

im just sayin it seems hot for the group im in

[faint harness]

@near vortex sim it

[royal lantern]

@near vortex maybe for offhand

but yeha, sim it

[faint harness]

offhand with socket might be worth more

[royal lantern]

for mainhand, ilvl is king cus of weapon dps

[near vortex]

ok so the sims are not crazy ok thanks

[keen spruce]

their damage doesn't change because they kill the bubs faster

so they get more boss uptime

to respond to a discussion that ended a few minutes ago

[faint harness]

do you actually swap to the bubs tho

[keen spruce]

I'm assuming yes

If you have 4 rogues

you'd probably have to

[royal lantern]

if you need too do it cus your heavy aoe guys get the bubble, you maybe need too switch

[cobalt pelican]

it's pretty easy to just compare raid dps which i imagine is what he was doing

individual dps is largely irrelevant for a decision like that

[nimble tartan]

yes let me help you guys out this pull similar wipe times without iris https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pGRxhbdV7YD9nJ6A#fight=18&type=damage-done&target=26&cutoff=6

here with iris https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/pGRxhbdV7YD9nJ6A#fight=27&type=damage-done&target=26&cutoff=6

this is for ashvane dps

very same same

but without 4 rogue beam

our bubble take very long to kill

[cobalt pelican]

just play 20 warriors

they can heal thesmelves

and never be buble

[junior flume]

Is beam up for every set up bubbles?

[cobalt pelican]

ez kil

[nimble tartan]

we have 2 rogue beams for every bubble

[junior flume]

Ah alright 😃

[nimble tartan]

so we have one group of 2 rogues use beam on pull cause theirs will be up on 2nd bubbles and then 1 group hold beam on pul for first bubbles

then it lines up

[junior flume]

Yea makes sense

[nimble tartan]

it def felt a LOT better doing it

[junior flume]

That's handy info, we'll be giving her a go tomorrow

Running lucid as minor?

nvm I forgot you posted logs 😄

[nimble tartan]

and im only like deep looking at this cause ofc if we can make up bubble damage elsewhere its better to go back to bote but im tryna figure it out B)

[royal lantern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fxX3GXiUtjU5MPVky9q6sB just noticed that my statweight start too get pretty balanced

[cobalt pelican]

if you farm more pearls the bubbles will die faster

which is the true 785 iq play

[nimble tartan]

i cantbelieve i lied to myself that azshara hands were better

just so i didnt have to farm more pearlies

[royal lantern]

isnt it that the bethnic hands are not THAT great in reality?

[daring basalt]

Any tips when is the best time to use azsharas font of power?

in rotation

[tame basin]

Hey guys, I saw that for m+ ppl are playing assa with 1xSS 2x TK 2x DD 1xNP, can you tell me if in this setup is still better to FoK on aoe or to focus on ST dmg?

[royal lantern]

DD in m+ is.....pretty much a wasted trait slot

and eb is still pretty much the best trait

you probably dont want it 3xnow, but thats it

[languid magnet]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[minor thicket]

anyone know how I would create a macro for vanish and vandetta together?

[daring basalt]

Does anyone know when to use Azshara's Font of Power trinket?

[languid magnet]

well if either dont trigger gcd (vendetta does, dont know about vanish, dont think so)

it would just be
#showtooltip
/cast vanish
/cast Vendetta

[minor thicket]

thx ill try that

[distant lava]

Seems bad

But vanish doesnt trigger a gcd so it works

[honest needle]

does rogue need conflict n strife for m+ or raid at all. I dont wanan waste time grinding something if its not really needed

[rigid mango]

Nope

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah the freedom sprint is really good

[honest needle]

so all we need is lucid and whatelse

for raid n m+

[true thistle]

i've got 420ilvl version of this trinket

can't see this listed on herodamage

[royal lantern]

then

sim

ya self

[distant lava]

[royal lantern]

and see if it is decent

[dire spoke]

its shit

[true thistle]

actualy i've got equipped fathoms

[royal lantern]

maybe he has nothing better availbe? idk

[true thistle]

so i guess, it's gonna be better anyways, but ye, simz

[tropic ocean]

@daring basalt use it before vanish tb vendetta are off cd

so u get vendetta with full buffed azshara

[dire spoke]

I was jk 😄 but considering all the essences its a yike

[cobalt pelican]

the wq haste trinket suk

you'd be better off just getting gcb and standing in it for only half of the duration

[strange python]

What essence is bote I’ve read several times

Im not English

[cobalt pelican]

blood of the enemy

[royal lantern]

blood of the enemy

the battleground one

[strange python]

Ahh ty

Fml won’t farm that

[royal lantern]

aoe, enemys get marked with higher crit chance/crit dmg

you dont need too 🤷 its good right now, but seems like its getting outclassed by other essence stuff at rank3

[strange python]

Good

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[minor thicket]

hey ive read a few different things do you reapply garrote when it drops off or around 5 seconds

[rigid mango]

Do you understand the mechanic of pandemic?

[strange python]

Don’t reapply an unbuffed over a buffed

But with unbuffed on unbuffed pandemic is ur friend

[minor thicket]

what is an buffed garrote?

[rigid mango]

The basic question is this

[strange python]

At like 5 secs u can reapply

[rigid mango]

do u understand

what pandemic is

[minor thicket]

no

[rigid mango]

and how it works

http://prntscr.com/ohiz5c

[strange python]

If u have SS trait and apply from stealth it’s buffed

[rigid mango]

Read that snippet

[strange python]

Otherwise inbiffed

[minor thicket]

gotcha

i do not use SS

[rigid mango]

Then you don't have to worry

[minor thicket]

just DD talent MA

[rigid mango]

Do you understand how snapshotting works?

[strange python]

Then u can reapply at like 5 secs

[minor thicket]

not fully

[earnest quiver]

hey, if I'm getting sent down on za'qul as sin, what essences are optimal? Trying to figure out how to best benefit from the haste and idk how to sim for that

[rigid mango]

Snapshotting is the mechanic of a bleeed getting empowered based on X thing

For sin, it's around stealth

Sub/ss/ns are the only thing that snapshot

[minor thicket]

ah ok which means allowing for it to run off and reapply

[cobalt pelican]

probably blood, tables

[rigid mango]

^

Exactly.

[earnest quiver]

Blood major, lucid dreams minor for the heal to stay down?

[minor thicket]

so with DD i can allow it to wear off and reapply

[cobalt pelican]

the vers buff is pretty much 100% uptime if you're casting every gcd so it's prolly pretty nice

life force minor might b ok

[rigid mango]

So http://prntscr.com/ohj02l

[cobalt pelican]

but i wouldn't change tbh

[rigid mango]

So with how pandemic works, garroting after 5.4 seconds left on it, will add it onto your garrote that you now cast

meaning you don't lose out on anything

[earnest quiver]

wait vers buff

isn't that the other essence, conflict and strife

[rigid mango]

7.2 for 5cp rup

[minor thicket]

perfect so I can reapplly before or after it runs out it doesnt matter

but with SS i have to wait for it to wear down

[strange python]

If u let it run out fully without SS u lose some dmg overall, don’t let it run out completely

[minor thicket]

im not using SS

ive got 3 DD traitsa

[strange python]

Reapply in the 1-5 sec window of time left

[minor thicket]

ok perfect

[cobalt pelican]

the lucid minor gives you vers when it procs if you're rank 3

if you don't have that i'd probably just take whatever the next best simming one that isn't iris is

or worldvein since you don't get lifeblood in delirium i'd guess

[solemn meadow]

uff damn

130k burst

assa rogue is really awesome

[marble tartan]

with which build? Blood of the Enemy?

[solemn meadow]

ye

[marble tartan]

can you link the character plz?

wanna look sth up

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jXiFxCZ8t12Hsq7hFgRSnA#

[marble tartan]

did you sim masterful nav as best ?

[solar quarry]

so i read the pin on coral it says to stack with vendetta but when u vendetta the trinket will still be on cd from applying it do you activate the crit buff after or wait for secnd vendetta to activate it

[solemn meadow]

no

for example atleast with azshara

you use the trinket in your first vendetta window to apply dot

since you prechannel azshara

[solar quarry]

yeah but i have inkpod not azshara

[solemn meadow]

lemme show u the ability log

[solar quarry]

for 2nd trinket

so i guess apply it then waiting 2 mins to reactive

[solemn meadow]

with inkpod you probably want to wait

for the inkpod release with your stacks

so it 100% crits

[untold current]

whats the trinket macro with a spell? /use 13 /cast xxxx?

[solar quarry]

yeah well from warcraft logs i found a top rogues dps and he apply coral early then only presses it the 2nd time right before 2nd vendetta then reapplies it when cd is up after 30

[quasi halo]

is vims belt or the abberation belt good for raid?

[solar quarry]

and he has inkpod as well

[limber flame]

Yes

[marble tartan]

Do you guys know any tactics to get Blood of the Enemy especially with rogues?

[solar quarry]

just trying to figure out coral trinket

also is shrouded not as good now and should we be aiming to just stack NP and DD and spec master assassin

@quasi halo yeah but belts are good

both

[jolly spoke]

how many stacks do we get coral up to be amazing for crit?

[solemn meadow]

@solar quarry thats what the sim does

[jolly spoke]

any special number?

[solemn meadow]

what I posted

well it uses it in the second vendetta

[jolly spoke]

so only 2 mins worth of procs?

[bright turret]

is blood of the enemy seeing heavy use at the top end because its bis, or just because people dont have rank 3 condensed life force yet?

[wooden fog]

I've heard life force r3 is BiS, not 100% though

[jolly spoke]

my ex was bis untill she cheated

and now im here

.>

[polar cape]

Ex not bis essences confirm

[devout gazelle]

r3 for raid is better than r3 bote

but no1 can get it now so bote is bis

[keen elk]

My sims have rank 3 bote only 53 dps above rank 3 lucid major/iris rank 2 minor and I haven’t really been able to figure out why 🤷‍♂️ maybe with coral and font it’d change more but with cyclotronic/410 lurkers/430 inkpod +socket it has lucid3 and bote3 basically equal on ST

[faint harness]

Are you playing with MA?

[rigid mango]

@marble hemlock what makes ds good for u but not me

I wanna genuinly understand the logic behind it, if you know

[keen elk]

@faint harness yepper. Let me run a sim and I’ll link in case I’m jacking something up but sure don’t think I am lol

[solemn meadow]

do the mechagon rings sim correctly?

[rigid mango]

afaik they do ye

[onyx hedge]

worth upgrading?

[solemn meadow]

nice

[rigid mango]

Yes, it's good

[onyx hedge]

I know the other trait is bettr but

[solemn meadow]

yes

[onyx hedge]

kk pog

[rigid mango]

It's actually not really

[onyx hedge]

i got 3 of those today with socc ketrs

sockets*

[rigid mango]

I think in general that one's better

[vapid scarab]

that's what happens when you only have 2 belts that can even roll

[rigid mango]

Since the other only works for 2 bsoses

[keen elk]

@faint harness https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/skE4u1uh9dJnHBZ5VPEbx9

even less than 58 dps in that sim

I've just given up wondering why bote sims as low as it does and have just slowed the grind so i'll eventually have it for if it changes weights with trinkets or ilvl scaling or we use it after neck 65

[faint harness]

you got quite low haste right?

that might be it

[tacit plinth]

is there a threshhold or metric or some indicator of when MA becomes better than sub? I can't seem to get it to sim higher for me but I'm also curious if thats becuase at minimum I stil have 1 SS trait until I get a better AZ piece

[worthy tundra]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[faint harness]

@keen elk just tried simming it myself and its a good 570 dps above it

i just glanced at your stats (cus no sim log) and your haste do seem low

which i would assume favours lucid major

you could try and swap all gems/enchants for haste and do another essence sim

[keen elk]

@faint harness yeah that very well could be it. Still has me enchanting and socketing crit/mast so idk 🤷‍♂️ lol maybe I just need more haste passively with ilvl and better gear

[tacit plinth]

That's my issue currently as well I see some of these people with 1500 haste and it still telling me to gem crit

[faint harness]

like swap in the raidbots client, not ingame

[tacit plinth]

even at 1100

[keen elk]

@faint harness Yeah I’ll give that a shot when I’m back at the pc. Thanks for checking it out for me my dude

[ionic dome]

My guys.

How’s that trinket. The one with the punch cards. Worth getting or skip it because I do keys and can get lit trinks.??

[cobalt pelican]

there's lots of small stuff that adds up when considering essences like

[faint harness]

for sure

its not a 1:1 sim scenario

[rough agate]

Is it gloves>belt i forgot. Have boots and wrist

[cobalt pelican]

they're pretty similar but you don't have to share the azshara proc gloves with anyone so

[untold current]

Focused resolve simming higher than fury now

[cobalt pelican]

i'd probably just get vims

[untold current]

what is going on

[urban frigate]

Do the sims for Undulating Tides on Bloodmallet account for the absorb?

[cobalt pelican]

i'd be interested to see the sims on the pots, and no nisk

[untold current]

Nisk?

[grand matrix]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wC8FkZx3sY13a4L824mT2q

[rough agate]

that guys name is nisk

[cobalt pelican]

re blood sims like

i was interested so i checked because naturally having benthic gear pushes up the value of vers for lucid minor

i'm sure there are other minor factors but on tishes character just changing 2 pieces to benthic ends up like this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bNE9Cw9S2De374fc39nqVJ

[faint harness]

makes sense

@urban frigate no you dont take dmg in sims

[urban frigate]

So that means it assumes we always get the damage proc for the whole fight and is slightly over valuing the proc

[faint harness]

during prog its quite inflated

and there are some fights with unavoidable aoe dmg

which might tick you down below 50%

[urban frigate]

yeah thinking someting like the burst dmg on radiance would eat a proc or 2

[cobalt pelican]

you'll drop below 50% pretty frequently on any mythic fight to be honest

[faint harness]

yea i wouldnt fall for the undulating trap

[cobalt pelican]

treacherous downside wasn't an issue because as soon as you got healed it went away but undulating seems more or less unplayable in i t's current stat bar very specific situations

it's like blizzard decided to amp the downside insanely without actually making it much better than other traits

[faint harness]

45 seconds seems excessive

[urban frigate]

yeah, if it was 15 or somethign would make it more viable I'd think

[cobalt pelican]

they'd have to have a seperate timer on the shield itself for that to be the case

[faint harness]

i wouldnt care if the actual absorb had 45 sec cd

[cobalt pelican]

but i think that'd be better for the trait overall

right now it'd have to be so far ahead of other traits that you can afford to not have it for periods of time and have the overall close to line up (or be a bit behind on average)

for it to be worth it

and it's just.. not

[urban frigate]

maybe when we hit deep farm itll rise

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wVJ9AUGdwyMx9M4GhfoSvT

uff loyal is gud

[faint harness]

350 mastery is quite good

[urban frigate]

we all get to be ret pallies!

[faint harness]

and i dunno about the tooltip, but it doesnt say the death thing has a duration

[cobalt pelican]

it's 15seconds

[faint harness]

thank god

[cobalt pelican]

it's the only part of the trait that actually gives a buff

the trait itself you jsut have to check your mastery and guess

or insepct everyone

[faint harness]

imagine how fucking broken it would be if you got 350 of all stats

perm

[solemn meadow]

and the death thingy isnt in sims

[faint harness]

just suicide the lowest dps at the start of every pull

[fathom echo]

anyone feel like their energy regen has changed in the last 12 hours?

[cobalt pelican]

n

[faint harness]

are we in tinfoil territory

[cobalt pelican]

did you forget to put posisons on your weapons

[faint harness]

maybe ur poisons

[fathom echo]

holy shit im dumb lol

got a new WA an all

[cobalt pelican]

make it

GLOWIER

[faint harness]

glowier :peep:

[royal lantern]

happend too all of us

you didnt play sin until you pulled a raid boss and apply your poisons 10sec in the fight atleast once

[faint harness]

mostly happend in m+ tbh

[stiff elm]

!trinkets

[royal lantern]

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/c9NjEZ2q6NwJEzKNULKWsJ

I will not socket mastery

[rigid mango]

Why not

🤔

[solemn meadow]

I don't have any gold

[rigid mango]

You don't hav elike

500 gold?

[solemn meadow]

1 socket is 1500 or smth I think atm

or was it enchants

[rigid mango]

????????????????

[solemn meadow]

idk anymore

[rigid mango]

what the fuck

1.5k for gems?

lol

[solemn meadow]

lemme check for u

maybe I am talking out of my ass

[rigid mango]

dude I'd just be shocked if they ever were

I'd feel bad for u in that case not saying ur lying

[strange python]

mastery sockets on my realm are 52g a piece lmao

[solemn meadow]

whats the mastery socket called

[strange python]

Masterful Sea Currant

[faint harness]

they are super cheap

even on my dead realm

[cobalt pelican]

they vary between like

15g a piece and 500g a piece on my backwater realm

depending on which of the 3 people lists them

[faint harness]

meanwhile buying a 200 stacker of zinanthid/osmenite is closer to 20k

[cobalt pelican]

and whether someone has bought out the entire economy of 6 gems in the last 2 days

luckily a guild member decided to prospect for jc ring and put all the non jc stuff in the gbank

for the homies

so i just yoink everything

[solemn meadow]

k I talked out of my ass and shit memory

[near vortex]

the only expensive gems are the red and green ones, all of the other ones are dirt cheap

[solemn meadow]

how can you not like assa with blood of the enemy

200k burst

like you deal so much dmg in the first seconds

[faint harness]

ya its nuts

i dont even have 3 ttk

[woeful minnow]

because bote3 requires farming 50k honor 🤢

[cobalt pelican]

it's relaly not that long of a farm

[solemn meadow]

I mean you dont crit so much without 3x ttk but ur burst is higher

with 3x dd and 3x np

my NP is like most of my damage with envenom

on a 5min fight

and depending on DD procs

its quite high too

[faint harness]

ya but the burst with 3ttk must be big

im doing quite big envenoms with 0 ttks

[solemn meadow]

play sub

[faint harness]

i would

[solemn meadow]

[faint harness]

if it was viable

[cobalt pelican]

gonna play sub on sunday since we're just doing optional normal

[solemn meadow]

I need to get the mechagon rings

[cobalt pelican]

wonder how many bosses of bottom meter i can take

before i give up

[solemn meadow]

I can't wait for ashvane on sunday

I love ashvane

[faint harness]

like 1 boss

i got the one with 160 haste for 15 seconds

no trigger tho

[raven locust]

About how long would 35k honor take to farm?

[faint harness]

the dmg from behind + dmg proc ring

like 15 hours?

if you win alot

[solemn meadow]

idk if the sims are correct

but haste + behind is best for me

dmg proc sims super low for me

[faint harness]

one win with guild standard (15%) and enlistment bonus (go mercenary mode) is like 700-800 honor

you just pop the guild standard right as you're about to win

[neon sedge]

so for M+ my chest is the only thing that has SS ttk thats 420 (blackwater). My helm and shoulders are 430 and all from raid but I don't have anything that has SS ttk or SS echo. should i be trying to roll those next week or go for ilvl and get a chest.

[solemn meadow]

@faint harness wow

I didn't know that

you changed my life

[faint harness]

are you sarcastic

[solemn meadow]

nope

didn't know the guild standart works

[faint harness]

its big

[solemn meadow]

you can't do droptimizer with sockets right?

and I need to gamble 2 azerites

fuk me

since shoulders and chest are garbo from raid

[cobalt pelican]

just get either blackwater chest or radiance shoulders

and gamble the other

[solemn meadow]

I already gambled shoulders

[faint harness]

blackwater chest is actually not terrible

[solemn meadow]

got the second best

[faint harness]

i made a comparison with blackwater chest and cephalohide

and with 4+ loyal to the ends

it was a 100 dps win for cephalohide

at equal ilvl

[cobalt pelican]

yeee

[faint harness]

• sims doesnt account for the death

which will happen on prog

[cobalt pelican]

i just wish there was like

some weakaura or some shit

for loyal

[faint harness]

there is

[cobalt pelican]

there is?????????????

[faint harness]

quite sure

[cobalt pelican]

my life is fixed

[faint harness]

slow down there

[cobalt pelican]

ok

[solemn meadow]

[cobalt pelican]

guess i'll die

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mXrWtzRC4qkDBUbvD3vmZS

🤔

[faint harness]

It might have been my guildie saying he would create a WA for loyal

def heard about it tho

[solemn meadow]

I hate to play anything other than NP

[faint harness]

but you have 3

[solemn meadow]

I want np to be top of my dps

0 rng

[faint harness]

[cobalt pelican]

mastery is like

the opposite of rng

[faint harness]

yea like getting a 350 stack of mastery

its just dmg

[cobalt pelican]

np can swing pretty aggressively with fight length changes

it's not really any less rng than other traits

[faint harness]

NP during BotE crit windows

[solemn meadow]

double dose is rng tho

[faint harness]

poppn off

[cobalt pelican]

rng to like.. some extent

not like majorly though

you'll see most pulls be within like 3-4 procs of each other assuming the same play

and that's just the same as np critting more of it's ticks or not

actually idk if np can crit so maybe that's a bad example but

[faint harness]

ive had my NP be up there in dmg

it can crit

[cobalt pelican]

dam

big damag

[faint harness]

like 25k crits?

was a while ago since i checked its dmg

[solemn meadow]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/FxNYKjgDVWbJd7wh#fight=3&type=summary&source=32&translate=true

someone actually logged a random heroic run

wtf

[cobalt pelican]

ppl log everything

[solemn meadow]

ye but a random run?

with randooooms

[cobalt pelican]

yea

a lot of people just use exorsus to autolog

[woeful minnow]

applying for guilds is like applying for jobs now

you gotta have logs

and if you don't have a guild well your logs are pug logs

[solemn meadow]

pug logs are not that hard on most bosses

but pugs dont kill azshara

[faint harness]

Dmg isnt the most important part of your logs

[solemn meadow]

it is

[faint harness]

Doing your job and executing mechanics while doing top dps

[solemn meadow]

well what boss really has much of a melee mechanic?

ashvane kill some coral

[faint harness]

Had too many ppl that play warcraftlogs minigame in our guild

[solemn meadow]

for example on azshara I don't even go on the small add spawns

since we have like 7 ppl spamming iris on them and they get insta deleted

[faint harness]

I rarely go on adds that i dont have to hit

Mix of lazy and just doing what i was brought for

[neon sedge]

thanks for responses. Old tier raids cant titan forge to like 440 or something right

[faint harness]

455

[neon sedge]

in bod?

[solemn meadow]

yes

all can forge

Idk if there is a limit to forge? like how many ilvls

you probably can forge syringe 440

or smth

[cobalt pelican]

pretty sure nothing is capped at all anywhere there's just increasingly unlikely chances of forging

so like a mythic bod piece might have a 0.5% chance to max forge but

[solemn meadow]

so somewhere in the world exists a guy

[cobalt pelican]

lfr uldir is like

0.0000000001%

[solemn meadow]

that has a 440 uldir trinket

[cobalt pelican]

i saw some guy with a world quest item that had forged to 370 or some shit

[drifting cloud]

ive seen stuff forge 70-80 in legion

[cobalt pelican]

not a world quest item sorry

yea

[robust light]

is just short of 34k sim low for 422?

feels it

[rigid mango]

A bit

Feel free to link it if u wanna

[robust light]

sec

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aW4H2bFpW7hPmKTBJR46it

havent done any heroic nazjatar so no trinkets

i could probably go with better enchants for sin but i main outlaw atm for m+ so its either crit or vers

[rigid mango]

Yeah, trinks, new weap, benthic

And ofc sockets yadda yadda you know the deal

[cinder sparrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ce9bmRq1KBxCfQWVaYhk1C

420, no bote

[rigid mango]

It's fine for what you have though

[robust light]

dafuq lol 39k

[rigid mango]

ilvl is chunked by having low benthic

that are worth way more

[cinder sparrow]

benthic carry

[rigid mango]

Yeah I mean

linking this sim and flexing ilvl to dps ratio is like flexing a 60k dps log with 25k boss dmg acting like ur hot shit

[robust light]

are the benthics really making up that much?

like a few k

i have the belt

so im missing boots nd bracers

[cinder sparrow]

gloves are good to

[rigid mango]

Boots > wrists

are prio

[robust light]

i dont have alts so gambling hasnt been good :p

[rigid mango]

After that the waist is p good, the hands sim well but realistically afaik they aren't as good as others

[minor thicket]

Do you guys prefer SS and subterfuge over DD and master Assassin

[robust light]

i also dont really raid anymore

so i probs dont need them

usually just play m+

[minor thicket]

It’s pretty hard to DOT everything with MA is it primarily used in raiding

And subterfuge M+

[vapid scarab]

kind of

sub always in m+. sub sometimes in raiding

[minor thicket]

Why is that

Because you can dot easily with sub?

And MA is mainly just ST

[vapid scarab]

because it does more damage in m+ and it only sometimes does more damage in raids

you get restealths in m+, you get vanish once every 2min in raids

[strange python]

80% garrote damage increase is huge in m+

[minor thicket]

Gotcha so ideally you want double gear

Some for raiding and some for m+

Unless you constantly want to refrigerate

Reforge

Lol

[vapid scarab]

yes

[jolly agate]

I can't seem to do sin well in M+, I played outlaw all last season

With explosives, it's really hard to track bleeds and changing targets for explosives

And then I'm energy starved

[minor thicket]

@vapid scarab does stacking more than one trait of SS make it do more damage?

Or what’s the benefit of multiple stacks of SS

[bleak spoke]

Why does cyclo sim so low on herodamage atm

Is the profile not updated

[raven locust]

Pretty sure its 404 ilvl and has no yellow card

Like the trinket is 404 ilvl

[bleak spoke]

Man that’s depleted

[arctic walrus]

world 7th woo

[young jewel]

Anybody have a good WA for razor coral? All of the ones I have found on wago show other people's stacks/bug out and load whenever they feel like, etc

[broken crypt]

no but i just found out that dying mobs give you stakcs

which is cool

[placid dawn]

i just had terrible luck with MA lol

pop potion, vendetta

vanish tb mut !

3cp

fuck me

[lone junco]

such is Ma.

1ss subterfuge >

or just run 50% crit, then ma

[lost horizon]

BotE makes MA clean af

[strange python]

What's the best comp for island pvp. I want seem to get a decent group whatsoever

Cant*

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3ztYhmb75bx2ap323caKzJ

No more cyclo

[rigid mango]

Nice inkpod.

[drifting cloud]

hard life being 5/8 mythic

[rigid mango]

Must suck

really

[arctic walrus]

Yikes, coral doesn't even care

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5D9woaqLiVpkDfSEppytfC

[drifting cloud]

I still dont know if font/coral apl is correct

or was it updated recently?

[raven locust]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[wide niche]

I thought mut was suppose to be better for singletarget

why is an outlul top?

[drifting cloud]

because its lok

[rigid mango]

[lone junco]

outlul?

loktark?

move along.

[drifting cloud]

and how is it st

[rigid mango]

Worlds best outlaw player?

[drifting cloud]

when theres bubbles

[lone junco]

ayo

[rigid mango]

Padding on bubbles?