assassination

[faint harness]

Any world firsters

[cobalt pelican]

me

[fallow otter]

440 jc ring rolled haste/crit so it will be good long term for condensedlife/lucid.... so thats one part of good news

[dark crag]

1 hc clear should be enough, with 3 mythic down we are at atleast 18

[rigid mango]

Any truers in chat

[cobalt pelican]

haste in 2025

[tough whale]

TRUE LUL

[calm wedge]

Finally got my 5 benthics 420 socket 😄 after maybe 500 pearls just to get them
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7sJFkURFg6LfTMMbdieEHh

[tough whale]

worldvein sims

[faint harness]

Where my botes at

[tough whale]

o/

[rigid mango]

I didn't get bote bec I'm lazy

And relying on life force

But it'll get nerfed 99% and I will have to go grind anyways

[tough whale]

ashran brawl this week is some HELLA good honor

[faint harness]

You think it gets nerfed?

[tough whale]

if you get a semi competent group

i dont think itl lget nerfed

[faint harness]

Its the raid essence, should be bis

[rigid mango]

But it's BiS for a majority of classes

if iris gets nerfed

it gets nerfed

that's my thought process

[faint harness]

I guess

[rigid mango]

If iris, the m+ one gets nerfed bec of m+

[tough whale]

iris was nerfed because classes were using the aoe beam for single target

[rigid mango]

the raid one for raid, will get nerfd

[tough whale]

not because everyoen wanted it

the damage was overtuned for single target

[faint harness]

Well iris compete against purification protocol right

[rigid mango]

I mean

I don't think it's really a competition between the two ngl

I think they're a bit diff

[faint harness]

I have been using protocol

Ngl

[tough whale]

They are, but iris was nerfed because it was just disgusting st still

[rigid mango]

I've been using memebeam

[tough whale]

it really deserved the nerf

[faint harness]

Banking on big rng

[rigid mango]

It's fun tbh

[tough whale]

ye its fun and still good

just not bis single target for some classes like it was

[faint harness]

Cyclo blast is fun

[rigid mango]

I mean it's just so insane for m+

I don't even care for ST like

[tough whale]

id rather use cyclo blast than font but

[rigid mango]

The fact that you can p much just pull like

[tough whale]

the gods decided otherwise

[faint harness]

I use both cyclo and font atm

[tough whale]

font/coral

[rigid mango]

I don't have coral

[faint harness]

Corral

[fallow otter]

anyone in a guild going for ashvane this week? or just chillin @ 3 down?

[faint harness]

Same

[tough whale]

we're taking a night to m+ slam then going back for 3 days of ashvane

[faint harness]

We had some pulls on ashvane

[rigid mango]

Dude got 435 socketed on split

on his alt that can't trade

[fallow otter]

going for 3tank soaking or not sure yet?

[rigid mango]

We dumped ashvane today

[tough whale]

3tank currently

[rigid mango]

idk what plan is for sunday

[faint harness]

Doink 3 tank i think

[rigid mango]

Same

P sure we go 3 tank

[fallow otter]

yeh we are

[rigid mango]

We might not even try it tbh

but idk

[tough whale]

2 guilds have 3 tanked 1 has 2 tanked

[bleak spoke]

I don’t know if we’ll meet the dps check

[faint harness]

Its a very simple fight with big dps checks, lotta fun

[tough whale]

if you have god tier healers itll be worth 2tanking for the dps check

[fallow otter]

yeh if it doesn't get a slight nerf i think we will just focus on other stuff purely coz its better use of time

[bleak spoke]

Our dps are spastic and bad

[tough whale]

gl

[fallow otter]

this week

[rigid mango]

Our ranged and healers

suck ass

(:

[bleak spoke]

Like there are people pulling early bod numbers

[fallow otter]

wut?!

[faint harness]

[bleak spoke]

I don’t get it

[fallow otter]

how is that ever possible

[bleak spoke]

Like I can die mid pull and be top 10

[fallow otter]

stomping bod now is funny, the timers are all so scuffed

[rigid mango]

We spent

2.5 hours on first poss

boss*

because our healers were so fucking bad

[faint harness]

Rip

[rigid mango]

Our rshammy doing less than half our priest

[bleak spoke]

We spent 3 hours and it didn’t die because our raid leader is a spastic

[rigid mango]

Both of them, actually

Legit tragic

[fallow otter]

rshammy kinda blows for that fight tho afaik right?

[bleak spoke]

Raid leader is also guild master and the lowest dps

[tough whale]

the raid lead excuse

[bleak spoke]

So

[tough whale]

monkaS

[fallow otter]

actually i think they just not around for this raid

its all pally/disc

maybe a drood thrown in

[bleak spoke]

Feels when scrype is top damage

[faint harness]

Rsham aint terrible for 1st boss

[bleak spoke]

Fucking lmao

[rigid mango]

Our RL is quite good

We have like

3 ish of them tho

one for each role

[fallow otter]

few fights they work

[rigid mango]

But jesus fucking christ we have some god aweful players

who shouldn't be playing w us at all

[bleak spoke]

I miss the rl of my old guild he was always top dmg or top healing on both monk and Druid lol

[rigid mango]

but we don't have better so

[tough whale]

You sound like you might need a new guild my friend

[rigid mango]

Nah man

[fallow otter]

haha

[rigid mango]

I've said I'm playing atleast 1 tier

• I want to play with Ronkles when he gets back

so

Ronkles

[tough whale]

im just waiting for dno to reform

[bleak spoke]

Ronkles @@@

[rigid mango]

[fallow otter]

guys before i forget i dont have coral so i have nfi about testing and i have only got an answer on how to use with font - whats the best way to use it with a passive 2nd trinket?

[bleak spoke]

No difference

[faint harness]

I use with cyclo

Legit doesnt matter

Since you naturally delay cyclo anyway

[bleak spoke]

They fixed master assassin working with cyclo xd

You could start cyclo and vanish

And the whole thing would crit lmao

[faint harness]

Wait it worked?

[fallow otter]

you can vanish mid cyclo? huh

[bleak spoke]

But now that you can’t use abilities with cyclo it doesn’t work

[fallow otter]

oh

[bleak spoke]

Yeah it was huge lmao

[fallow otter]

ya

[rigid mango]

Wait what

What the fuck is going on dude

[fallow otter]

first cast was uninteruptable

[bleak spoke]

Just a bug from release

[rigid mango]

Since when does MA work with non-rogue

[fallow otter]

but 2nd was freecast

[rigid mango]

[faint harness]

They need to remove the whitelisting tbh

Revert that shit

[rigid mango]

Meh

[bleak spoke]

Something interesting with ma if you put your dots on and vanish they all get the crit buff until you unstealth

Which is pretty funny for world content

[rigid mango]

I'm still confused about inkpod

Can it crit, and does tb work w it?

[bleak spoke]

No

[faint harness]

It can crit

[bleak spoke]

But you can crit

No to tb

[rigid mango]

Because I saw a lot of people

saying it did work w tb

[faint harness]

So you wanna use coral at close to 30%

[rigid mango]

Aye

[bleak spoke]

Or line vendetta vanish for the pop

[rigid mango]

^

I was thinking MA

Nearly guarantee to double dmg of it

Sounds fucking good

[faint harness]

But ma doesnt work right

[rigid mango]

Never mind

I just did big

[bleak spoke]

Pretty sure it does

[rigid mango]

I'm tired I blame it on that

[fallow otter]

actually that cyclo couldnt crit before... it got nerfed obv but it got slightly buffed coz they made it so it canc rit

[bleak spoke]

Cuz it’s a passive buff to you

[rigid mango]

I mean

MA doesn't actually give crit rating tho

[bleak spoke]

Works strangely for sure

[fallow otter]

cyclo couldnt crit so... doesnt matter

[bleak spoke]

Cyclo can crit

[rigid mango]

It shouldn't

Work with inkpod

atleast

[bleak spoke]

It does crit

[fallow otter]

couldn't

it does now

[rigid mango]

Yeah what about it

[fallow otter]

but you cant vanish now

[bleak spoke]

Yeah at any rate it’s whatever now

[wooden fog]

I used the blood essence and vanished and crit my 415 ink for 680k, whether my ink critters due to MA or the essence crit increase I'm not 100% on

[fallow otter]

you trying to tell me that you could vanish during cyclo to proc MA for crits but it couldnt crit

[bleak spoke]

Someone reliable told me that shrug

I guess they’re less reliable than I thought

[fallow otter]

well he just lost reliable points haha

[bleak spoke]

Smile

[fallow otter]

oh well shit happens

[bleak spoke]

Actually yeah blood of the enemy inkpod

Is probably a thing

[wooden fog]

It is

[fallow otter]

coral + inkpod is def a thing

[bleak spoke]

Especially on ashvane or something like that

[fallow otter]

wish i had......... i wanna test

[rigid mango]

btw bote

does it give crit rating?

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[rigid mango]

And in tht case I assume the crit dmg would work w inkpod?

[agile abyss]

So where did we settle on this, MA will make inkpod crit but not cyclo?

[wooden fog]

Yep

[rigid mango]

It doens't make inkpod crit, probably

Shouldn't, anyways

[fallow otter]

yeh dont use MA for cyclo thats confirmed

you should be casting cyclo way later after opener anyway

[agile abyss]

But as soon as you can and not energy cap surely?

[fallow otter]

yep

exactly

[bleak spoke]

i use it between vendetta and the second tb if i don't lose a cast

but i also play lucid so i can be global capped

in v

[rigid mango]

lettuce do you know if the crit dmg would work with inkpod?

from r3 bote

[bleak spoke]

i've heard it does

[rigid mango]

I'd like to see sims with r3 bote, boots and critting in that case

Because if you can reliably make that happen

[bleak spoke]

i don't have rank3 bote because i'm a degen and i don't have inkpod cuz i gave it to my dh who gave me a font for it :^)

[rigid mango]

sheesh

I don't have bote either

[fallow otter]

good trrade

[rigid mango]

Also same

[bleak spoke]

yeh that trinket is giga bis for them and font is giga bis for us

so i figured that was the play for sure

[rigid mango]

like

I can just see inkpod being fucking nuts

[bleak spoke]

the longer the fight is the better yeh

[rigid mango]

If it crits and you get the extra crit dmg for r3 bote and feet

Aye but even then

if it crits

[fallow otter]

if you can line it all up sure... but doing much more consistent dmg alot safer

[rigid mango]

[fallow otter]

ie. font/coral

[rigid mango]

That's some veiny weiner damage you know

[fallow otter]

so... how many of you are waiting to see if shoulders drop next week before gambling?

im so torn whether to roll chest or shoulders

[bleak spoke]

depends on what i get

[rigid mango]

I got azerite from 1st and 3rd boss

So I'm just rolling shoulders

[fair stag]

hey guys quick question... Should I delay BotE Rank2 for 2nd Vendetta?

[rigid mango]

Should be in pins

[quasi pewter]

i rolled chest got blighted tribe

[fallow otter]

whats 3rd got?

DD undulating?

[rigid mango]

ttk loyal

[fallow otter]

@quasi pewter oh...

[rigid mango]

ttk loyal ss

[fallow otter]

no DD eww

[quasi pewter]

literally 5/6 chance of upgrade and i get 1/6 garbage

[fallow otter]

how to play the game without

lol

[rigid mango]

Wdym blighted is giga for m+

[quasi pewter]

i dont care a bout m+ though for next 2-3 weeks

[rigid mango]

True.

[quasi pewter]

everything for progress

[rigid mango]

Tbh, I'm just praying for tent/goraks

🙏

[quasi pewter]

might be able to gamble again next wednesday though

[fallow otter]

yep goraks againnnnnn

[quasi pewter]

gonna scrap 445 head from first boss replace with engi helmet

and scrap blighted tribe

[fallow otter]

so good having NP and BI to juggle for other pieces

[quasi pewter]

get 25k from m+ chest

[rigid mango]

You're really scrapping lighted?D

[quasi pewter]

easy cephalo 445 for me

[rigid mango]

sheesh

[quasi pewter]

i mean i can restore later

after progress

but ill see what happens

[rigid mango]

Fair

[quasi pewter]

maybe i get chest from the council boss 445

[fallow otter]

thats the DD undulating right?

[quasi pewter]

yea i think so

not a fand of undulating but better than my 420 cephalo for sure

[fallow otter]

ya

[rigid mango]

Ngl I might be running sub soon

[fallow otter]

im using first boss helm

so mekka chest for me atm with goraks for the NP

[rigid mango]

Depending on what I get from shoulders roll

[fallow otter]

as in the mekka for np

[rigid mango]

It might just be the play

[quasi pewter]

im running no np

because my sim doesnt want me to

[rigid mango]

Yeah I was weirded out by it too

[fallow otter]

interesting

TTK instead?

[rigid mango]

bbi > 1st NP

[quasi pewter]

gorak tul cephalo first boss head

[fallow otter]

TTK seems to be scaling real well

[rigid mango]

I was honestly shocked

Yeah same, on my goraks

bbi was better

[cobalt pelican]

ttk isn't scaling well there's just no fugging gear

[rigid mango]

TTK's fine w lucid minor

Tbf

[cobalt pelican]

finna be playin 3 ttk in raid soon

it's fine for sure like

[rigid mango]

^

Dude those shoulders from 2nd boss

[quasi pewter]

but once im 60 in 1-2 days i can wear 5th boss (?) shoulder for slight upgrade and theres np on there anyway

[rigid mango]

radiance w/ever

[quasi pewter]

im actually gonna have 3 ttk then

[cobalt pelican]

yeee

[rigid mango]

It's like

[quasi pewter]

giga envenoms inc

[rigid mango]

Giga BiS

I think

[cobalt pelican]

i need to force 2 other raid gamers to take loyal

and they're sicknasty

[rigid mango]

We've got uhh

5 people?

[cobalt pelican]

right now we have a single warlock playing loyal

LOL

[rigid mango]

4 or 5

[cobalt pelican]

and he has it 2x

[rigid mango]

I'm thinking those shoulders should be good af

[cobalt pelican]

they'll get replaced by goraks for sure but

goraks is not something i want to roll on

rn

so they'll serve me well

[fallow otter]

with my lucid/iris my best combo is the typical 3xDD, 1xNP, 1xTTK, 1xBBI - means gorak shoulder mekka chest with first boss helm

[quasi pewter]

our soaking tank on ashvane is playing loyal but i dont have it

[rigid mango]

I mean

how much better is np than loyal

I actually don't know

[cobalt pelican]

bbi definitely is with what my crit value is rn

[rigid mango]

Whatchu got?

np ttk op shoulders are 30 dps upgrade from goraks

[quasi pewter]

430 over 415?

[rigid mango]

aye

[quasi pewter]

yea same for me but only with the 5 ilvl from 60 neck

[rigid mango]

[quasi pewter]

i have them but gorak still simming better rn

[rigid mango]

I'm like, 58 soon

[quasi pewter]

2 more days until 3 ttk

maybe im gonna grind it tomorrow before raid

idk

[rigid mango]

I'm r1 slacker

I'll grind it out this weekend maybe

idk

[quasi pewter]

i kinda wish i grinded for bote week 1

but lucid is really nice to play aswell i guess

and rank 3 raid essence next week anyway

[cobalt pelican]

i'm glad i commited to just doing like

an hour or so a day

[rigid mango]

I wish I had that commitment

[cobalt pelican]

for like 10 days of the first 2 weeks

[rigid mango]

But I'm too lazy.

[cobalt pelican]

when nothing was going on

[quasi pewter]

i mean im doing more than fine without bote but those 100k openers are giga nice

[cobalt pelican]

i just made sure to get my first win in both and weenie around a bit

[rigid mango]

It's a bit painful

to not have it ngl

but it'll all be fixxed come next week

when I get life force

[quasi pewter]

i believe we're gonna play raid essence + lucid anyway once we have rank 3 though right?

didnt really sim it yet

[honest needle]

also on assasination on queen court do we keep dots on both bosses
or just focus the 1

[rigid mango]

I think maybe iris minor tbh

It's actually really good

I think life force + iris + lucid might be play come 65

idk

[cobalt pelican]

lifeforce/lucid is much ahead of lifeforce/iris

in my current gear at least

[honest needle]

does any 1 kno

[cobalt pelican]

and it's more or less a 1k stepup in simdps from blood/lucid

[rigid mango]

hm

[cobalt pelican]

but as a 3min it's kinda like

[rigid mango]

I'm interested in what makes iris seem giga on herodamage

but get ousimmed by lucid

in sims

[honest needle]

also on assasination on queen court do we keep dots on both bosses
or just focus the 1

[quasi pewter]

focus 1 pretty much

caster

and when you have to go to bubble

[cobalt pelican]

only really dot both if you're swapping to the other ad

[quasi pewter]

put dots on the other one

[cobalt pelican]

longer term

[quasi pewter]

before switching back

[cobalt pelican]

if your guild is flexible enough you can just

sit on one for vend/tb when tb is on cd step the other and it's probably a gain

and i think on herodam lucid still shows higher than iris

lucid minor is just

nutso

and it's so reliable on every fight style

it has like no drawbacks really while being numerically pretty great

[rigid mango]

nvm I've actually gone

full fucking tonight

I can't read, I can't fucking do anything man jesus

[cobalt pelican]

iris was showing stupid insane that day that haste values were all over the place cause it just gave like

pure patchwerk haste

[rigid mango]

Yeah maybe I read it then or smth

Idfk I'm just loosing my marbles at this point

[cobalt pelican]

if no nerfs happen it's just gonna be like lifeforce/lucid across the board probably

which is pretty boring

[rigid mango]

It is.

I'm unsure what other minor will be used

realistically maybe worldvein, if all people us eit

[cobalt pelican]

right now blood is already behind by a bit and like

life force has potential big aoe value without like

cheesing for it

worldvein prolly on every fight you don't have to do 360 noscopes the entire time

i'd imagine more and more guilds rae moving to enforcing worldvein even as the current minor as ppl get rank 3 this weekend

[rigid mango]

Yeah, I can see that happening

[quasi pewter]

we already had pretty much everyone wear it on our hc runs

but for ashvane its kinda bad for melee atleast

[rigid mango]

Why's that?

just the movement?

[quasi pewter]

yea

[cobalt pelican]

boss permanently 360 noscoping probably

it's one of those things i don't wanna play tbh

[quasi pewter]

i mean you still get decent uptime i think but it loses alot of value

[cobalt pelican]

it's like such a small gain over a personal minor for us

but i guess other classes might be bigger

idk who the fkcares about mainstat in 2020 though

[rigid mango]

I mean

font

[arctic walrus]

talkin about vein on ashvane?

[rigid mango]

Aye

[arctic walrus]

horrible from experience

group switched off real quick

[unreal sail]

whats everyones favorite unitframes/ way to track bleeds in mythic +

[fallow otter]

kinda looking forward to condensed/lucid just so i can go back to full haste chants/gems and not keep juggling 😉

@unreal sail plater

nameplates that is

[unreal sail]

@fallow otter any specific layout from wago?

[rigid mango]

Why would you go back to full haste

with that setup?

[fallow otter]

SIM it

you'll see

its haste again

[rigid mango]

What are you comparing it to

[fallow otter]

@unreal sail the chinese m+ is good but i changed the size etc, change the setting the european so that it doesnt have chinese character

@rigid mango well currently i gem crit/mastery was all crit but i dropped a bunch of mastery when i upgrade 425 jc ring to 440

[rigid mango]

To what setup.

[fallow otter]

lucid/iris

[rigid mango]

There you go

[fallow otter]

highest sim for me

[rigid mango]

You're rocking the most haste hating setup in the game atm

[fallow otter]

yup

[rigid mango]

It's not the new shit needing haste, it's you needing it

Good diff between the two

[fallow otter]

your sim with condensed/lucid isnt full haste?

gem/chants

[pulsar torrent]

guys for M+ ... 3 EB, 2~3 DD still the best way to go ?

[rigid mango]

I'm running the same thing

DD is never good, no

Any mix of eb/ttk/ss is good

[pulsar torrent]

hmhm, ty ty

[rigid mango]

And I'm running the same set up as you are, so it'll be similar

[tall pelican]

I’m running 2xeb 2x ss 1x ttk 1xdd

Works well for for this week with large boss health

@430 item level

[coarse quartz]

guys whats the fastest way to farm honor to get 50k essenece

[rigid mango]

DD is never good, that simple.

Doing merc mode bg's

[tall pelican]

Tell that to your group when maintaining 35k on a boss

[quasi pewter]

especially 1x dd seems like a big yike to me

[rigid mango]

Yeah, tell that to your group when you play

60% of the dungeon

[coarse quartz]

whats merc mode?

[rigid mango]

without a trait

I'd love that.

[pulsar torrent]

hmhm, cause i hav two helms to get on pvp cap, one with dd/eb - combined might/np and the other dd/ttk - glory in the batle/eb

[rigid mango]

Seeing how SS is really not far off from DD in terms of raw ST damage

[pulsar torrent]

and idk which one to pick D:

[rigid mango]

There's literally no reason to ever pick DD in m+ unless your azerite isn't there yet

[tall pelican]

Anyway I’m having great success with my build

[rigid mango]

Cool, doesn't mean it's good.,

[tall pelican]

Doesn’t mean it’s not...

[pulsar torrent]

ye, but the problem is that i do raids too zine 8(

[rigid mango]

It defo does

DD is bad

Your other 5 traits are really good though

[arctic walrus]

Ashvane dead

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

but

coral ? ?

[arctic walrus]

You know the answer to that

[rigid mango]

useless kill gg

[meager nebula]

coral or i delete sin

[rigid mango]

[arctic walrus]

No no not useless, I got free residium!

[rigid mango]

GET THE CORAL

[arctic walrus]

hUgE

[meager nebula]

footpad pog

[rigid mango]

@tall pelican like you can say DD is good in your anecdotal world, but since it's genuinly a dead trait if you go past 1/2 targets which you do most of the time in a dungeon

[cobalt pelican]

longstrider is the most lit defensive trait

[rigid mango]

and also being oh so close to another trait for the niche you want it for

Is just objectivly wrong

[arctic walrus]

my inkpod did 400k while he other rogue did 1 mil

[meager nebula]

[rigid mango]

Crits

[cobalt pelican]

dd kinda sucks even in a st patchwerk sim at fight lengths you expect in a dungeon

[cobalt pelican]

before even considering the rest of the dungeon

[rigid mango]

Yeah, SS is just better on bossfights anyways

[tall pelican]

@rancid citruse all I said is that I’m having success with my build we are clearing high level mythic. That is all I’m not up for a argument it just working for me

All that matters is under time

[rigid mango]

nice ping btw

Well, what I'm saying it's worse than picking another of the 3 traits you already have

You're implying the set up is good, which it is

5/6 traits for sure

But DD is one of if not the worst trait in m+

[arctic walrus]

Sorry guys, time I go over to the outlaw channel for Orgozoa :^)

[rigid mango]

That I can think of

[tall pelican]

Well if I had another trait other than rd I would use I’m not arguing that. What I’m saying is at this time with my item level DD is working fine

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how it has no use

[hoary apex]

is vision of perfection major worth it if my azerite setup is 3DD 3NP for raid?

[arctic walrus]

Never

[hoary apex]

so what raid essences should I be using?

[rigid mango]

The one that sims highest

[steep lagoon]

Anyone knows what the "Bleeding" option is on Raidbots? Bleeds in general from garrote and trinket effects etc or?

[grim canopy]

Is there a site with plater profiles like wago

but for platter

[nimble tartan]

@arctic walrus i brought up laser and now all 4 of the rogues using iris lmao

[sturdy dust]

I haven't seen many people using the +120 agility gem. Is it better to get +50 of your highest simming stat?

[warped wind]

thoughts on phial? just got it a 455

[arctic walrus]

LULW

yeah we just went back regular traits

look at me go

6th boss dmg btw

[nimble tartan]

Dam outlaw is the play pog

[untold current]

What azerite pieces are people going for in new raid? 7th piece is the only good item i see.

[rigid mango]

There's a lot of pieces that are good but not BiS

I expect BiS to be same as last Tier

[untold current]

So dungeon items from Vendor then

[coral pawn]

!opener

[rigid mango]

!guide

nvm bot is dead

the guide is right there tho

[coral pawn]

=[

[rigid mango]

At the top of your discord

and yes, 7th boss helm + goraks + cepha

is probs the play again

for absolute BiS

There's a lot of pieces that have good enough traits

[stone crescent]

Can I ask what people are rocking for their majors until raid essence rank 3 is available? Been using lucid major focusing minor and I hate it because Sims tell me to drop literally all my haste.

[rigid mango]

Blood M + lucid m is BiS

Lucid M + Iris m seems good though

And why do you hate it when sims tell you to drop haste, iris minor gives haste and lucid is just like having haste

[wise oasis]

sorry if this is asked alot I looked through pins but whats the good red card I see rogues using?

[chilly marsh]

i simmed raid gear vs my gear with 445

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2qVWC85yeXAZCkgUGPRwY4

raid gear sucks =/

[rigid mango]

@wise oasis cyclonic, revered w rustbolt

[wise oasis]

thank you, good timing I just hit it yesterday!

[rigid mango]

Also, we know raidgear is meh

but it's good enough

[stone crescent]

Thanks @rigid mango . Just feels weird and also all my gear already had haste in it cause it was my highest stat last raid tier

[rigid mango]

Yeah, stats are really even atm

They're all so close that it barely matters tbh

[stone crescent]

Yeah guess I gotta farm 17k more honor til rank 3 blood. Big oof

[rigid mango]

Lucid and iris will kil of haste value for sure

I mean, we get life force next week so

[main blaze]

Lucid and worldvein is close too

[fallow otter]

@stone crescent if you're not pushing hard then just wait for condensed rank3

[chilly marsh]

only one stats matter

[rigid mango]

Simming worldvein is like

[chilly marsh]

and thats agility avoid it

[rigid mango]

Pad sims

[stone crescent]

Won't rank 3 take a bit?

[chilly marsh]

it stinks

lol

[rigid mango]

For everyone that raids enough

r3 is next week

of life force

[fallow otter]

@stone crescent depends on your prog ofc, but yeh next reset ill have it

[stone crescent]

Haven't checked how many things I need for rank 3 but I haven't done heroic yet this week and I'm 3 things off rank 2

Sick sick

[fallow otter]

which means ill be condensed/lucid and gemming/chanting haste again

[drifting cloud]

you prolly need 1 kill of mythic radiance

maybe 2?

[rigid mango]

LIke I told you dude

[drifting cloud]

im 25 off without azshara this week

[rigid mango]

You don't really need haste that much w the new setup

There's no reason you'd need it

The reason you're simming high haste is because of your current setup

And the lack of it whilst using it

And yeah, maybe 2 kills of radiance?

[drifting cloud]

not even sure how much azshara gives on hc this week after the fix

[cobalt pelican]

in my current setup with lifeforce/lucid top gear puts me at rainbow gems still but closer to crit > haste > else, with quick nav over deadly

[chilly marsh]

its 7 each heroic boss

first kill

mythic is 12 i think

doign from on himm now

[cobalt pelican]

different is so negligible still i'll likely be playing crit deadly nav

[rigid mango]

Yeah, the thing is the guy is running lucid + iris

and comparing it to a build that isn't the most haste hating build in the game atm

[fallow otter]

like i said, i will be gemming haste - everyone should sim themselves...

[rigid mango]

You sure as hell didn't say the other part, twice.

[fallow otter]

telling people to sim themselves in here is a meme

[rigid mango]

What?

[fallow otter]

pretty sure it goes without saying

[rigid mango]

As a person who is here quite often, I don't think it does

[fallow otter]

its literally pinned

[cobalt pelican]

it kinda sucks that crit sucks in pvp

so like being crit heavy is nice for raid/m+ and being haste heavy is nice for raid/pvp

but nothing fills all 3

i guess mastery to some degree

maybe i should become a mastery monkey

[rigid mango]

Ofc it's obvious you should sim

Doesn't mean it's obvious to everyone

[fallow otter]

[rigid mango]

[dire spoke]

[fallow cypress]

!essence

[silent silo]

Just got Azshara's Font of Power, where should i be using that in my rotation? On cd and low energy?

Before Vendetta since its 2 min cd?

[cobalt pelican]

prepull, just before each vend at low energy is the goal yes

[silent silo]

ok ty

[arctic walrus]

Does Orgozoa pull you out of stealth on pull on every difficulty or is that a mythic only feature

[rigid mango]

I aint had that issue

[strange python]

is the red card bis? i see everyone using it but its low as hell on the hero damage page

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't say BiS, but it's potent for sure

It's handy for prog too I feel with optimal usage, downtime isn't downtime

[prisma carbon]

The strength of the red card also is dependent on you having a high ilvl yellow card.

[simple meteor]

is it better to use coral on 2nd vendetta or 3rd?

[rigid mango]

Every?

[simple meteor]

on first i get 1 stack if i activate

[austere ruin]

how would u guys use razor coral?

any suggest

[simple meteor]

thats what i am asking aswell idk if i should keep it ramp up to 3rd vendetta or second

[hollow vault]

any idea if bote crit damage increase buffs inkpod crit if you were to line up vanish+bote with it at 30%?

[rigid mango]

You let it ramp up to 2nd, then re use after to get for 3rd too?

@hollow vault try it out if you can, I'm equally interested I've not seen anyone try it just a bunch of guesses

[hollow vault]

aight we testin

[coarse quartz]

any advice on cyclontronic blast?

when to use

[civic palm]

There's a pin somewhere.

- - - - - - - - How to Use Trinket - - - - - - - -
Pocket-Sized Computation Device Edition

~ Not under the effects of;
Vendetta, Lucid Major, or Toxic Blade
~ Time on Rupture and Garrote is over;
4 seconds
~ You are under 80 energy

Note: 4 seconds is as slow as the trinket
can be, with Haste the time goes down.

[rigid mango]

in #wow-general

[civic palm]

This works as well.

[rigid mango]

^

[coarse quartz]

ok perfect thanks

[hollow vault]

if you're wondering for opener you can always check the sample ability log from a quick sim @coarse quartz

[coarse quartz]

oh? how would i get that

[hollow vault]

when you quicksim on raidbots it has a drop down option to "Show Sample Ability Log" at the bottom of the page before simc input

[tribal marlin]

Here I am, subterfuge better than MA for me now 😦

[civic palm]

By .000000000000000005%!!

[tribal marlin]

0.2%

BUT I have to put full crit gem and that's cool because it mean I will have same gem for m+ and raid

[solemn mason]

where does one use Font of power in the opener?

[tribal marlin]

though I would not have to swap talent to do trash mobs xD

[open silo]

is there a document what manaperl items are best in slot for the raid ?

[solemn mason]

in the pins i think

[honest vessel]

looking at ashvanes trinket in sequence tables, anyone know why you would delay it til the first vendetta window instead of just popping it on the start of the fight and getting an extra stack before vendetta window?

[tribal marlin]

It doesn't change anything, it's just "easier" to implement that way

but you can use it on pull if you want

maybe you'll get 1 more stacks

[honest vessel]

thx im gonna

[neon sedge]

doesn't that put u in combat

[tribal marlin]

yes

it deals damage

[neon sedge]

might not be able to use ur opener properly

if u pull with it

[tribal marlin]

I mean it's off gcd

so

[austere ruin]

on razor carol, u guys use crit buff on 2nd second vendetta or 3rd?

[tribal marlin]

you can press it anywhere during your opener

[neon sedge]

i thought it did damage on use

oh nm

off gcd

[honest vessel]

@austere ruin both

[austere ruin]

koo

[quaint patio]

how many coral stacks should i wait to reactivate it and should i open with coral after stealth?

[vapid scarab]

you just macro it to vendetta

[tough whale]

macro it to vendetta and reapply the trinket after 2nd vendetta ends

youl be fine not micro/macroing the stacks.

[simple meteor]

would vision of perfection be good at za qul with 80% haste from the realm anyone tryed it?

[rigid mango]

It's never good

[sonic marten]

was progressing on heroic zaqul tonight and started with mostly single target traits, after realizing my mistakes I was wondering if anyone had suggested trait setup for this fight

[marble elm]

if you are progressing you should probaby just play single target traits

[civic palm]

Yeah, Single Target > _>"

[sonic marten]

just let casters and natural melee cleave?

[strange python]

Assa should stay ST, yeah

[quaint patio]

sounds good

[sonic marten]

2nd rogue was running a lot of eb traits and doing double my dmg, felt like I was making a mistake possibly

[marble elm]

its pad

[vapid scarab]

if you ain't running beam

[sonic marten]

I'm using beam

[vapid scarab]

sarcasm

don't use beam

[sonic marten]

was asked to use it on that fight for quick add cleanup 🤷

normally lucid

[vapid scarab]

you're playing the wrong spec m8

if your guild wants you to cleanup adds play outlaw

[strange python]

it sounds alot like they don't really know what specs do?

[sonic marten]

would my outlaw m+ setup transition to a raid setup decently or would I want to swap some talents to still have st dmg

[rigid mango]

It's the same thing, pmuch

[sonic marten]

gotcha

[autumn slate]

is the Azshara gloves any good?

[neon sedge]

What azerite traits are you guys using this week for M+

[tall narwhal]

Im wondering the same

I tried focusing on ST dmg this week but when I see how far away im in trash dmg

I start wondering 🤔

[heady ridge]

I've got only Iris in rank 2, am I better off with Lucid M + Iris m or Blood M + Lucid m?

[rigid mango]

@neon sedge @tall narwhal 2/2/2 or 3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss

[tall narwhal]

Right now i have 1 SS / 1 NP / 1 Scent / 1 TTk / 1 swirling

[hollow vault]

@rigid mango it seems like bote does work for inkpod's crit damage, granted it's in pvp so the #'s are a bit lower but

10 stacks no bote crit 38830
10 stack bote crit 45302

[tall narwhal]

Dont remember last one

But its far from proper setup i see...

[rigid mango]

@hollow vault cool sounds like it works

[tall narwhal]

Last one is 1 DD

[rigid mango]

It's p bad, yeah

2/6 good traits

[tall narwhal]

I remember now

[hollow vault]

dassa weird build

[rigid mango]

Rest are hot

[tall narwhal]

Especially Scent right

NP is hot garbage too?

[acoustic sleet]

do you guys think its a good idea to buy specific gorak tuls mantle instead for gambling for it?

[rigid mango]

Yes

And DD

[tall narwhal]

I dinged a few days ago, dont have any azerote options yet

[balmy quest]

On Mythic they are so expensive :S

[rigid mango]

Swirling is meh I suppose

[tall narwhal]

:(

[acoustic sleet]

but its 1/6

and other shoulders cant compare lol

[rigid mango]

Tent laced?

[tall narwhal]

Thanks for the input :D

[rigid mango]

It's insanely unworth to save

To 200k

[acoustic sleet]

I see thanks for the opinion, appreciate it

[rigid mango]

If you average 18's each week it takes you just over 8 weeks

[sonic marten]

sorry if this has been answered, but is it known of if inkpod can benefit from vendetta buff?

[rigid mango]

To get one

[acoustic sleet]

Yeah 2 months for farming a specific shoulder is long. Good point

[formal willow]

i have a really noobish question guys: Do weapon enchant proccrates still differ if you have the weapon in your main or offhand? so should i always put force multiplier on my mainhand?

[rigid mango]

No

Use in either

[sonic marten]

weapon speed was normalized, that was all that affected it

[formal willow]

ok, thanks guys

[zenith hatch]

Guys is the effect from waist from azshara supposed to break my stealth? Yday it kinda screwed my shroud in m+ and that is where i found out about this 😮

[modest jasper]

Supposed? Probably not.

But it feels like half the 8.2 added effects/mechanics break stealth randomly so... surprising? Probably not either...

[sudden ocean]

Focused resolve still overall best for ST even after stealth nerf?

[modest jasper]

Sim it.

Can still be quite good.

[zenith hatch]

Damn then i must get some belt for m+ cause well it can ruin whole run 😐

[meager nebula]

I would imagine it's not intentional for it to break shroud

Would bug report it if it's happening on the regular

[zenith hatch]

well after that i checked this and it breaks every stealth aswell

[meager nebula]

Definitely report it

Much like the pots breaking stealth, it seems unintended

[zenith hatch]

yea ill do it afte rwork

[meager nebula]

👌

[open silo]

hey , im pretty new to the discord , where i can find pins ?

[zenith hatch]

to right corner of your screen

[open silo]

thanks

[tribal marlin]

@sudden ocean Focused resolve sim lower than Unbridled fury in general. You can choose to potion you use with additional option when doing sim

[neon sedge]

ty

[runic basin]

Morn ! Why doesn’t tricks work?

[zenith hatch]

mechagon trinket?

[runic basin]

Ye

[zenith hatch]

ye blue card turn off your ability to use trix

[bronze spire]

I have a 415 font and 430 coral. which should I pop on vendetta mid fight?

[runic basin]

ok could I remove the blue card? Or it’s possible to get a blue card without this effect?

[celest swan]

font of power

[modest jasper]

There are a lot of blue cards without the effect.

The only way to remove it though is replacing it with another.

you can't just "take out" a card afaik.

[celest swan]

with both trinkets u only use razor coral at the end of fight with another tb or something

or if the fight fits it i guess

[runic basin]

Thank u

[bronze spire]

you only pop the coral one time at the end or through the whole fight a couple times?

[celest swan]

i used it for example with the second add of radiance cause i had no vendetta there

the sim apl is only at the end for like a last "burst"

but in reality a fight can bring situation where u want to burst something down

azshara p3 adds etc

[bronze spire]

yeah these trinkets are interesting butt hey take a bit more managing then I am used to

[formal willow]

yeah we are lacking good procc trinkets i think

[winter moss]

ink pot

[dire spoke]

[bronze spire]

i got 430 inkpod 430 coral and 415 font

[warm mulch]

Inkpod any good?

[winter moss]

sim it

[bronze spire]

for outlaw its great in m+

[ruby idol]

Inker owns

[warm mulch]

Got a 435 myself and it sims just barely higher than my 410 booncallers

[winter moss]

but it does sim higher?

[warm mulch]

Slightly

Tho booncallers is a hassle most of the times

[bronze spire]

idk about anyone but who gets to stand on that rune for full duration LMAO

[open silo]

spent over 800 manaperls into banthic gear, doesnt get any right piece with socket 😄

[vestal wren]

thats sad

[barren forge]

oof @open silo

[open silo]

xD i mean its getting really sad now XD

[vestal wren]

you should have gambled for belt

as there is no bad socket roll there 😛

[open silo]

^^

i was trying to get boots and bracers

[barren forge]

did you get the other bracers? just use them and go for boots

[open silo]

no

i didnt get any bracers with socket yet

mostly leech or movementspeed stuff

[barren forge]

i hope you did that with alts and still have pearls on your main to upgrade

[winter gale]

From 1 to 10 - how much my stats suck? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uAnxaUa6NQZkspphYVwouv

[open silo]

i used everything, maybe a bit dumb i know

[winter moss]

id recommend to go away from worldvein an turn towards to BOTE or Iris

stats never suck

stats are good

stats are friends

[winter gale]

I miss some friends 😂

Crit friend

[barren forge]

you miss some force multiplier too 😄

[winter moss]

use top gear tho

[winter gale]

I am at work, I cant input link. But im wearing what top gears sims best. Worldvein is also what simmed best. Im close to get raid essence and lucid rank 3 so Ill then wear that

Igot some 440s, 450s but they are mostly filled with versa :(

[winter moss]

world vein has somewhat inflated worth in sims

you sim a patchwerk fight where the movement is minimal

and especially for the first mythic bosses worldvein is a unwise choice due to a lot of movement

[barren forge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/333FhLzscGwvDkAasC2D4J my stat weights are like bruh. next sim we change that!

[winter moss]

yall have to much sockets

[barren forge]

i did that with 4 alts and that with main

[vestal wren]

nice

[dense junco]

is it ever good to run two on use trinkets

[tall narwhal]

not sure about rogues, but dk's had that in previous tier

[dire spoke]

I ran font and device with no problem, exceptions that prove the rule

[sullen hearth]

I feel like i have no clue how to play this class

[fallow otter]

interesting feeling]

[tall narwhal]

i have a question concerning nothing personal

for pure ST is this a decent trait to have ?

[dire spoke]

Have you read the pinned guide?

[loud void]

Are all the benthic gear important in TEP raid?

Right now I only use the boots

[dire spoke]

Most benthic items are an upgrade and dps+ over heroic raid items, some even mythic

[tall narwhal]

@dire spoke yes I have read both ravenholdt guide as well as the wowhead one

but i also read pvp guide and i think im starting to get confused a little

[tropic ocean]

@dire spoke well 410 bracers already sim higher than 450 bracers I got so 😛

[fallow otter]

@tall narwhal most run 1

[tall narwhal]

thanks

[dire spoke]

cool

[fallow otter]

@tall narwhal do you mean for raid? or are you specifically talking about pvp?

[tall narwhal]

now im not sure

[loud void]

[Fathomstalker Wristwraps] sim higher than 450 bracer? Crazy

Only talking about raid

[dire spoke]

s o c k e t s

[long bramble]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fallow otter]

get the socket then upgrade boots, bracers, belt, gloves

make sure you get socket before you upgrade

425 socket with their bonus is hard to replace even in mythic

[loud void]

Alright thanks for info

[fallow otter]

i have mythic boots and bracers sitting in bags for outlaw m+ 😃

typical for me to get look that cant be used... sigh

RNGesus

[dire spoke]

hope they nerf benthic to the ground

[vestal wren]

idk, i feel gear will make the affix relatively easy

[tropic ocean]

@vestal wren so far its very dependant on the week as well

e.g. last week you needed to kill 3 shadow mobs in fh, this week 0 cuz they are placed so u can just play around them

[vestal wren]

true

[modest jasper]

I don't even mind the void-touched that much.

I mostly dislike the reflect one.

It's just weird that void-touched have truesight for some reason.

[nimble tartan]

i actually quite like this new affix

[vestal wren]

you are the first one to say that on the server probably

[bronze kelp]

^^

[tropic ocean]

@modest jasper for me personally it doesn't really matter too much

i use 3 ttk and lucid essence

[bronze kelp]

its funny, that they changed so many patrols that were dodged

[tropic ocean]

i pop 60~70k dps on them but still they cost a lot of time

[modest jasper]

😄

[tropic ocean]

while you can just shroud skip the other 2

[modest jasper]

It's just weird that one of the three has truesight.

Ye exactly.

[tropic ocean]

the anti cc one probably hardest one imo

[modest jasper]

tbf, the best part I learned this week is that you can cancel the tide teleport cast.

[bronze kelp]

the funny part is, the rogues are even more mandatory now

[modest jasper]

Makes them way easier

Being able to cc/interrupt like 4-5s earlier is massive.

tbf, I never think about keys without a rogue in the group anymore. Ye, kinda painful without one probably.

[bronze kelp]

as im the rogue, i also never have runs without ^^

[tropic ocean]

i'm just glad that assa gained some popularity due to the affix

feels great

[modest jasper]

Yep. Running Outlaw + Assa atm. It's neat.

[tropic ocean]

and people start to realize the value of assassination

[modest jasper]

I mean our main rogue played sin s2 already.

And he already pumped there.

[bronze kelp]

thats true 😃 but it also shows how many bad assas are out there 😉

[tropic ocean]

did some fh yesterday and was like 6 or 7k overall behind dh and warrior but they appreciated cuz I did all orbs and carried emmissaries 😄

[bronze kelp]

im also on assa since bfa start, cause im just not that good on the other speccs

[nimble tartan]

thise affix more interesting to me than reaping

[frigid briar]

I agree omr

[bronze kelp]

its somehow a real affix

that matters

[nimble tartan]

ive already had moments where im like ok that pull was hard but also cool

[bronze kelp]

reaping did just not matter, and that was the downside. sure it was fun to pump high aoe numbers, but not really interesting

[modest jasper]

I think it's a question of what you want. Reaping was simply fun, it was not really hard or anything.

[frigid briar]

Only problem is specific packs that need to be interupted and you instead need to chain healing cds personal and hp pots just to get through the casts

[modest jasper]

I like that.

Emissaries mostly are tedious and an actual task. They are a challenge

That's nice, too.

[balmy condor]

I just wish I could get all the azerite together that I constantly need lmao

[bronze kelp]

AD is such a place where augurs and tide emissaries can fuck you up

[modest jasper]

Indeed.

Prio damage and cancelling the teleport.

Works best for us.

[tropic ocean]

ad this week hard

[frigid briar]

Wait till teeming fortified and 10+

[tropic ocean]

with the emmisarry in pack on stairs

[bronze kelp]

had it yesterday, where the second cast of the augur was his fiery enchant

yeah that one too

[modest jasper]

Are emissaries affected by fort?

Didn't check last id.

[frigid briar]

No but the ones you cant CC are

[bronze kelp]

they should not, but they felt harder last week

[modest jasper]

Mhm.

[frigid briar]

Emiss dont get effected by affixs

[modest jasper]

I guess with gear etc it will all be fine.

I mean people are clearing 18s already so... ye 😄

[bronze kelp]

imagine a void emissary standing in sanguine oO

[ebon granite]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[bronze kelp]

but those people are pro players and have much more skill and gear (but overall its the skill)

thats nothing to compare with

[frigid briar]

One problem I do see is the should speed up the cast of leaving

Not getting to stealth is annoying

[modest jasper]

Definitely.

Just make it 2s max.

And please let it not trigger on death affixes but reset on death skills.

Doing it on BM and using Murder of Crows on them is probably the worst feeling in the world.

[bronze kelp]

i dont know, why they need to cast a teleport at all

yeah, getting no energy refund from rupture is meh

[frigid briar]

Yeah, they dont even count as % right?

[modest jasper]

They do.

They give quite a lot of % actually.

[frigid briar]

Really?

[modest jasper]

It's weird doing a <10 key and having to pull a couple more packs.

[tropic ocean]

yeah they do

first fh we had 100% before shark

😄

[frigid briar]

I never even noticed.

[bronze kelp]

they give about 2% i guess

[formal willow]

how does master poisoner compare versus subterfuge+ss in mythic+ or cleave fights?

[balmy condor]

we had 100% before basement in waycrest earlier

poorly

[formal willow]

so its still mp for pure st and subterfuge for everything else?

[balmy condor]

well, first row should be EP

not MP

[formal willow]

ooh i meant

master assassin

sorry

[balmy condor]

people have been taking mass over subt in single target, but subt is still kinda close I think

I don't think mass is worth in m+ tho

[frigid briar]

Triple garrote silence imo is huge

[balmy condor]

yeah

[silver zenith]

Its insane

[bronze kelp]

@formal willow for m+ -> subterfudge

[frigid briar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9eZHB4q94saAeowFhKGdC

So close to 40k club!!!

[bronze kelp]

cause triple silence

[balmy condor]

iron wire is 15% reduced

but yes

[bronze kelp]

subterfudge also lets you set up your bleeds fast for your energy reg

[sullen hearth]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5YxjiG74eoW5CH2aeuSXJM I sim like this and then feel like i cant do more than 30k on a boss

[bronze kelp]

oh shit lulz

youre right ^^

[fallow otter]

@frigid briar when are you using coral considering you are running cyclo aswell?

dont have yet but very interested

[frigid briar]

Why not?

[fallow otter]

when.. 😃

not why

[frigid briar]

Ahh, coral with vendetta, cyclone around 40 seconds into fight and then on cd usually as thats when I have low energy

[nimble tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6CT7AuSntYjaUytwMenb3u this me

415 weapons pepehands

[fallow otter]

literally macroed with ven?

[frigid briar]

Nah cos im testing things

Gonna play around with it some more today and see what I can find

[fallow otter]

interested if its best to open with it

[frigid briar]

Macro to vendetta will work fine though for sure

[fallow otter]

dont have one to test sadly, but ill have one soon enough hopefully

[nimble tartan]

the sim uses coralsuper weird