#assassination
solid nova
I mean we can see from the log link in the sim, thats not the case
And pawn is a terrible metric to assume gear upgrades
As it does not take stat breakpoints into account and various other factors that need to be taken into consideration.
bronze kelp
yes i know, and it also does not count the stats that are missing after switching
modest zodiac
i took the pawn string from raidbots
modest zodiac
just sim it ?
bronze kelp
dont want to confuse u
if you have gear u wanna see if its better -> top gear sim
for best ease of use u need the simulationcraft addon
to copy/paste your current gear + everything in your inventory (+ bank if opened) into raidbots
winter moss
sullen hearth
I mean if you need to see a green arrow on something isnt it ok to generate some stat weight after a good Top Gear sim from your bags and subsequently use pawn only as a guide to sim the next potential upgrade
modest zodiac
Gonna follow that advice for now : keep and sim when socketed: ori's wrist, fathomstalker wraps, vim's belt, poen's gloves, akanas shoes and keep an aberration belt around socketed or not
and get those
sullen hearth
I think its not terrible but you gotta know not to blindly trust pawn
bronze kelp
if you use statweights for a "you should sim that" pointer, its okay i guess, but as you get an understanding for your stats etc, you will automatically see if something could be an upgrade and sim it whether there is an green arrow or not
modest zodiac
Okay guys thanks
rich raft
hey guys, anyone can help me, telling me the proper way to use Vendetta, TB and vanish on CD, Thank you
severe wasp
Does anyone know exactly how the coral trinket works with multiple people in raid having it?
somber forge
personally, if you're running MA, I just do vendetta at 3 or more cp, tb, bote if you have it, vanish env mut env @rich raft
severe wasp
So I multiple people could pop it at the same time no issues?
somber forge
coral was originally bugged to stack only one persons debuff, its been fixed to be independent
so yeah, multiple people is fine
lucid bolt
raidbots doesnt seem to work anymore it doenst update
solid nova
Its based off armoury updated if you're not using simc addon
Nothing to do with raidbots not working, its down to armoury refresh
solid nova
Ah yeah mine hasnt updated for days
rich raft
ty @somber forge
gloomy jolt
When I first got the coral trinket I thought it was bugged because I didn’t realize I had to use it to put it on people
strange python
/r
rich raft
I got 430 orgozoa trink yesterday, should i run it whit the coral, or keep using coral, punchcard? ink sims better tho. but IDK
like it in M+, because you manage to put 4-5 stacks on mobs and make a good punch of damage when reach 30%
tropic ocean
ink pod is pretty decent for progress
and gets essentially better the more ppl use it
for your own dps it will probably be worse than the 2 other options
thorn bronze
garrote and rupture still snapshot right?
astral tangle
Snapshot what?
cobalt pelican
and even that is only in relation to haste
thorn bronze
does a rupture applied from stealth with nightstalker not deal more damage for the full duration?
thorn bronze
I remember it working that way during Nighthold period in Legion
haven't mained assa since then
true pelican
doesn't nothing personal snapshot haste as well or was that changed
hollow stone
Nightstalker 
main mirage
Is there any way i can sim a rank 3 essence, when i only have the rank 2 version of it?
mighty elm
Yup
main mirage
Any guide pinned to do it somewhere?
main mirage
Ah sick, thanks buddy
I dont feel like farming 35k more honor, if the difference is minimal from what i get next week
rich raft
@main mirage same here, hate PVP, dont have Blood at all
main mirage
Im simming it and even rank 3 blood, sims lower than lvl 2 lucid + lvl 1 world vein?
rich raft
can i have the link?
tribal marlin
As I said multiple time, the problem with Lucid is the uptime requierement
astral tangle
Seems like blood major, lucid minor, and wv minor are going to be the west way to go
tribal marlin
Basically when playing blood you can't really do wrong if you can stick the target for its 10sec duration. With Lucid you will start to loose a bunch of dps if you need to manage any mechanics during the entiere Vendetta into Lucid into 2nd TB windows, and this window last for at least 40sec.
rich raft
mmm think, Raid One mayor rank 3, lucid and WV minor,
rich raft
yep, i used it yesterday rank 2, Because dont have blood, and make pretty good damage
tropic ocean
Lucid r1 is better than raid r2 though
pearl pagoda
so does world vein resonance sim alone or with other people?
fiery hazel
doesn't it sim as if a perfect uptime?
real bay
in 15 hours i have it
distant lava
for WV r3 don't you just need to do 3 weeks of islands ?
pearl pagoda
i didnt get any time affixes on the three missions and both my guys had 70% reduced time
yeah 3 weeks
after getting rank 2
vernal fern
anyone has a subterfuge + SS opener for 2 Targets ? I guess it would start with garrote A, garrote B, garrote A, but not sure from there
unkempt karma
Thats how I do @vernal fern - to maximize garrote uptime and pandemic effect.
vernal fern
but after the garrotes should I like rupture B target, mutilate 2x, rupture A, blood, Vedentta, TB on main (A) ?
woven summit
Can i change my gems and enchants on top gear?
so I can sim MA with blood and lucid
because i have mastery all over me on gems
because i play lucid + iris
atm
unkempt karma
If its a higher key and the mobs have excessive amount of hp. Thats how I do, I dot up my targets with both rupture and garrote.
depending on timing and packs, you use vendetta and toxic.
gray citrus
hey homies whats the pre pull order with font? is it channel font and then pre pot
young meteor
force multiplier worth it on one weapon?
royal lantern
dark crag
Channel font prepull, stealth, pot inc
royal lantern
but probably yes
gray citrus
thanks
eternal bluff
So I'm seeing more and more crit stacking with double dose. Anyone else getting strong numbers from this
sinful badger
Does anyone know if you buy cloth benthic boots on my alt and send to rogue - will it be leather ?
sinful badger
Yeah without opening them
Ok cool thanks just checking
400 pearls on cloth alt. Fishing for boots with socket
royal lantern
with wath
fickle zenith
whats a good % to get haste and crit to?
plain geyser
100 / 100 could be fine
pearl pagoda
i got lucky as fuck
cold fossil
you mean 0 / 100
carmine valve
I was reading interesting Sin vs Outlaw m+ on reddit where one user brought up the fact that Outlaw would come better since their setup for Trash and boss is almost the same, while Sin traits are very much focused on trash like EB, it makes them loose bossdmg to point where outlaw comes ahead. Now I havent really done much high m+ as Sin but how true is that sin looses alot of boss dmg?
pearl pagoda
spent less than 50 pearls i think on boots and gloves to get socketed
yeah sin will lose boss dmg if it goes full ss/eb build
tired citrus
So before going to logs , does anyone have a coral and using it and tell me if there is any specific way to use it or just pop on cd?
pearl pagoda
but thats not viable anymore
cold fossil
not really now that SS azzy trait is huge dps
SS/TTK/+1 EB = big aoe dps + big boss dmg
carmine valve
wait u go mutilple SS And only 1 eb, I thought it was oppsit
pearl pagoda
hell no
cold fossil
so you go 3 SS / 2 ttk or 1 & 1 blightborne infusion/ 1 EB
severe bough
🤔
cold fossil
i still think 1 ttk/ 1 bbi or 1 ss is better than a second EB
pearl pagoda
but even then thats on fortified/teeming weeks
cold fossil
only need boots to be competitive
pearl pagoda
i have belt boots and gloves
severe bough
Just double checking
pearl pagoda
dont have bracers yet i got mythic 445 bracers of sevar on tuesday
carmine valve
WHat are the prio, I think boots and wrist are huge, while others are decent ?
severe bough
Hands do decent dmg
cold fossil
belt
pearl pagoda
boots are huge
cold fossil
gloves last
severe bough
Boots
cold fossil
boots -> wrists -> belt -> gloves
severe bough
Bote rank 3
carmine valve
even if u dont play MA ?
cold fossil
not having rank 3
severe bough
cold fossil
plebian
severe bough
Oof
cold fossil
even if u dont play ma
cold fossil
cause your crit weighting will still be way higher
severe bough
ripe nimbus
Imagine farming 50k honor that's the true pleb life
pearl pagoda
cant play subt on ST bosses anymore i cant stand it lol
50k honor was legit the easiest thing to do tho
cold fossil
^
pearl pagoda
rank 3 day two i think
cold fossil
got me hella azerite power too
pearl pagoda
and also got like 20k ap lmfao
cold fossil
damn mine took me like a week
pearl pagoda
see yeah lol
cold fossil
queueing ally helped with 50% bonus
rough agate
got the 50k honor on the 2nd
ripe nimbus
It has nothing to do with being hard
cold fossil
well, to consistently win and gain more honor per hour is hard
and you wanna do that when you farm
pearl pagoda
im already alliance
ques were instant
and wins were basically guarenteed because only good ally players were trying, and the good horde players swapped to ally for the honor boost
severe bough
Yeah
I got bote on week 2
Thursday
Queued with friends/guildies
I had a blast
sick eagle
Can someone please explain me why everyone has moved from:
3SS in 8.1 to 3TTK currently for m+?
I mean how does that make sense, you only hit 1 target
I mean I guess you can spam envenom cuz you have infinite energy but still
pearl pagoda
was honestly the only time ive ever enjoyed pvp
learned how to shroud my group into certain places in bgs was AWESOME
we havent
3SS has been bis the entire time
we are moving away form EB because reaping isnt in m+ anymore
so we go 2 ttk 1 eb instead of 2eb 1 ttk/ 3eb
sick eagle
I lieterally had like 5 people tell be best form m+ is 3TTK 2 EB and something else I can't remeber
yea 1 SS was last one
pearl pagoda
for higher keys i dont think anyone is going to be using that memeish build
sick eagle
Never doubted 3SS was best but thought that it was weird someone told me 3ttk was BiS
vestal wren
without starting a war, but ttk is the most overrated trait in the whole rogue community 😉
pearl pagoda
it really is
its only useful if youre spamming envenom like every other global which is useful in m+
but not in raid
i got mythic head from savar and was kinda sad i have to take ttk :S
sinful badger
I thought we are trying to get just boots belt bracers. Gloves not bis
sinful badger
Which ones
pearl pagoda
poen
i have socketed crit heal ones i might upgrade for mythic prog
the heals might be useful
bronze topaz
can we reset stacks at first boss with cloak?
bronze topaz
sad
pearl pagoda
if you cloak and try to reset stacks you cant reset until cloak drops
its kinda funny
bronze topaz
depends on what fun is for you 😄
sick eagle
Does assass get overshadowed by Outlaw in dungs with bigger pulls(like 2 packs at a time in freehold)?
( besides the ones where assass is king, KR/TD/ToS)
unkempt karma
Anyone else feeling slow energy regen? like really really slow...
strange python
finally got R3 lucid
orchid solstice
I'm thinking of switching over to assassination for this season, whats peoples opinions on assa in M+ with the removal of reaping?
royal lantern
@unkempt karma new too assassination?
or you mean slower then ussual:?
reaping didnt change shit about outlaw
strange python
@orchid solstice make sure you have correct azerite pieces before you switch, else it'll feel REALLY shit
orchid solstice
I feel like my group (1.5-2k r.io) doesn't do big enough pulls to warrant the need for outlaw like in anything under a 5 mob pull assa can keep up if not beat outlaw and boss dmg its not ever comparatable
which ones are a neccessity before switching
unkempt karma
@royal lantern - Not new. But after 2 muts im waiting for ever... and that is straight after vendetta 2 muts and envenom. Then I just sit
weak tundra
yo when do you guys usually pop cyclotronic blast in your opener? sorry if this is asked a million times, cant find anything in the FAQ
weak tundra
with lucid dreams I dont really have any energy problems in my whole vendetta window
is it worth overcapping a little?
or do you just use it after vendetta is over
orchid solstice
is it worth using cyto blast if you have font + ashavane trinket?
weak tundra
don't have either of those sadly
vivid loom
im simming essences and it says that iris (major) and worldvein resonence (minor) are the best for ST and Multi.... anyone using this or u going with a different set up for essences?
strange python
wat
orchid solstice
cern you sure you aint runnign dungeon cleave
vivid loom
let me check again
drifting cloud
just post the sim, you probably did something wrong
so we dont take 5minutes to guess what it is
pearl pagoda
yeah was about to call you out lol
rough agate
im gonna guess iris is simming better for you in st because you only have r2s but we'll see the sim
feral wadi
Could anyone help me with the best punchcards for Assassination please.
honest heath
is it better to run coral + cyclo blast or coral + ink? and reading the coral use pin...so we pop the trinket with vendetta to build stacks...then the next vendetta use trinket again to convert the stacks into crit?
rough agate
and yes
vivid loom
damnit i simmed for mythicplus forgot to change. its simming for St now. my bad
Here is the ST Sim
mystic hawk
Hey everybody, can anyone tell me when i should use Pocket-Sized Computation Device?
vivid loom
still says Iris(Major) and worldvein (minor) are the best
willow sundial
@mystic hawk I use it when I have nothing else to press. No tb and starving on energy
mystic hawk
@willow sundial so not in the opener right?
mystic hawk
ty
pearl pagoda
i use it right after vendetta window is finished as theres a 5 secondish gap where tb needs to go off cd
rough agate
Cern I wouldnt stress it too much until rank 3s and more azerite options are open to you
vivid loom
yea, i just wanted to make sure that it was simming correctly. cause i havnet been using this combo. But yea once i get rank3s and better azerite im sure it will change
@rough agate thx for your input.
strange python
Is 425 benthic with a socket better than gear from mythic palace, in general. Don’t have either to sim
rough agate
Can use the benthic option in droptimizer
marble elm
Probably
cloud trout
is there a way to sim the cyclo blast comparing it to the current red punch card i have without destroying it?
sullen sphinx
Cyclo probably better
shell lodge
is there and addon that follows ur rotation from quick sim ? or WA?
rough agate
yeah can do it in gear compare
bleak spoke
Yeah gear compare lets you search up the if
rough agate
add the pocket and select its cards
bleak spoke
Id *
cloud trout
oh sweet okay
bleak spoke
But yeah cyclo owns
Though I get the sense that if you have the stat redistribution punch card with crit mastery you could potentially have a godlike opener
cloud trout
for reference, i have the harmonic dematerializer punch card
bleak spoke
Not sure what that does
cloud trout
but ill go check the sims
sullen sphinx
Cyclo definitely better
strange python
which bosses does the belt work on
Which benthic gear is best
Rng is not in my favor
shell lodge
Wrist, hands, belt, feet with socket and boosters to dmg in Nazjatar and EP.
tepid ridge
do we keep melee while using Mecha's trinket?
opaque mural
is it worth filling a 5th combo point with fok while running eb traits on st ?
tepid ridge
no
strange python
So I have some of the benthic gear but the gear isn't socketed. Is best to spend the mana Pearl's until I get socketed gear before I start upgrading them
tepid ridge
it's better to spend alt's pearls to send tokens to your main to get socketed item then upgrade them with main pearls
if you dont have alt to farm pearls, it's super rng
it's a gamble
strange python
Yea I don't have any alts....you know....job...wife kids etc....
So would it be best to upgrade the ones I have
tepid ridge
yeye just giving you tips no blame or anything 😃
strange python
Then try to farm the socketed ones?
tepid ridge
I guess yes it's less risky
I mean upgrade them no max then maybe fish for some sockets procs
but can't be sure it's super rng
strange python
Yea rng has been crappy for me. I've been lucky to get the ones I do have now
tepid ridge
there is also easier ones to get than others
strange python
Are benthic tokens cross faction or nah?
strange python
So if I farmed pearls on alliance main different server I could send the benthic pieces to my horde toon?
woven summit
What rotation you find harder to sustain, MA or Subterfuge?
final dust
Nothing really different in the rotation
Still keeping up EP and making sure TB has 2+Envenoms
Only difference is opener
And the Ven+Vanish
woven summit
I see. Only the opener.
shell lodge
for some reason i still have problem to fit 3x envenom in TP window, or later on get it right cuz always some bleed is about to end : P
strange python
do you wanna extract crit from ashvane trinket for every tb or wait untill second vendetta?
mighty elm
anyone know ontop of their head if in APL , does it use coral trinket right before boss hits 30% if you use ink + coral
stable oxide
Can TTK Crit?
strange python
I use ashvane on pull and the I extract on second vendetta window
Gives you enough time to build the stacks imo
yea was watching some of the high tier mythic streams and alot of people who has is seems to use it way more frequently than every 2 min
not rogues tho
I mean I'm sure you could I just was under the impression of using it in the burst windows. Someone else may have better input
yea thats why I thought it would maybe be good to extract crit with before every tb
quasi ledge
Extracting for every TB won't be much crit
Stack them up for high crit during Vendetta. I guess you'll only start to not do that if it over caps your crit
strange python
i do have inkpod tho so having 20 stacks before 30% would b ideal I guess
quasi ledge
Dunno how much damage Inkpod does, depends if making sure that crits outweighs de-syncing it from Vendetta windows
quasi ledge
Fair enough, maybe worth then. Getting Vendetta to line up for just before 30% sounds like fun :p
mossy ferry
There's a logged M Ashvane kill with 2 inkpods that popped for something like 1.3 mil and 940k
sonic spindle
That would be juicy. Makes me wonder how it works in pvp
candid jasper
Has haste dropped it's value for anyone else?
solid nova
Lucid
candid jasper
polar tapir
Anyone knows if Feint works on Poison barb on behemoth? without elusiveness?
icy stag
I haven't tested it without elusiveness, but I don't know why it would work.
marble elm
it do be like that sometimes
silver nexus
Could I get confirmation on the relevance of the poen benthic gloves? Most things I see reference boots, wrist, waist which I’ve acquired, but some discussions are also including gloves. Do they outscale mythic pieces if maxed and socketed like the others?
stark oxide
either outscale or keep up with, yes
but azshara drops decent proc gloves of her own
and the glvoes are hard to get I think, so they arne't a priority really
pseudo hamlet
DD & NP still best in ST/raids?
strange python
yep
woven summit
One quick question, how do you get resonanse rank 2? I got 12 lost treasure map need 3 more
but I don't know how I got these 12
I know they drop from islands
but i did some and none drop
stark oxide
that's all there is to it
when the patch first went live, there was a glitch that stopped you from getting more if it would put you over 15, but that was fixed day 1 supposedly
Try a normal island and see if you get 1
and/or check mail
woven summit
I see thanks.
Yesterday I did the weekly and noticed I got none
I'll try some more islands later
empty scarab
good evening all of u guys, one short question. How do u prefer ur weapon enchants for sin? Force Multiplier (MH) / mastery nav (OH) or vice versa?
stark oxide
Do you by chance have a stack of 12 and a stack of another number? If they cap at 15 a stack and you got 4 from the last island, you might just have a second stack. try just combining?
woven summit
Yeah I tried combining, says I lack the items
Do I need to do a particular island per chance?
or any will do?
woven summit
yeah I'll try one normal now
frigid briar
how are people using coral trinket?
final dust
We should be clipping our EP still correct or am I misunderstanding me and another rogue in my guild are at a stand still?
bleak spoke
@tropic ocean damn those are pretty lucky shoulders/chest to just randomly roll
@frigid briar just on vendetta I think
tropic ocean
^_^
bleak spoke
@final dust depends on your energy situation and crits
red plaza
I would say energy capping is worse than clipping EP, so go with that rule and you'll be golden
final dust
Should be spamming during vendetta and tb tho?
bleak spoke
Let’s say I TB envenom and I’m full energy I’ll mutilate and if I get 4 cp I envenom insta and muti again
With 2 or 3 cp I’ll muti again
And if I have the energy to envenom muti I will do that
red plaza
TB windows you want to squeeze as many envenoms as you can
bleak spoke
If not I’ll clip ep to pool for it
And in clipping ep there you let yourself “get lucky” and you can env muti env if you get 4 cp next time
And still fit all of it in your Tb window
But out of Tb windows clipping ep with rupture refreshes is usually less stressful on energy than trying to clip ep with envenom
If you do it too much youll be tapped for your next Tb window absent some energy cd
(V, lucid, arcane torrent etc)
orchid solstice
Im trying to find it in the FAQ's etc as it keeps talking about pooling in order to chain envenoms - what is the benfit to chaining 2 envenoms?
bleak spoke
Chaining envenom buff just increases poisoning chance I wouldn’t worry too much about it
distant hinge
TB window
bleak spoke
I’m sure it’s a gain over letting it fall off to pool the last little bit of energy
But if you have envenom and ep up when you Tb, you don’t have to Tb at 3+ cp
orchid solstice
ah i see
bleak spoke
Because the mutilate that follows will have all the buff windows
bleak spoke
Ideally you want every mutilate in tb (and as many mutis as possible) to fall within ep and env
But envenom buff is more important than ep buff when it comes to the muti if you can only have 1 if that makes sense
(Assuming you’re playing as many double dose as you can here)
frigid briar
literally just picked coral up? use it in opener then dont press it till vendetta again?
sonic spindle
Put the dot on during opener, use again for crits during vendetta, apply dots after vendetta window.
stuck knoll
@frigid briar it’s in the pins but basically that’s correct
bleak spoke
On some fights might be worth to pop it with lucid in some Tb window
I’m thinking the dmg phase on zaqul
When he whites out
stuck knoll
As guy mentioned a couple of times in outlaw the one in the pins is a pretty general easy to follow rule
A more advanced one is it depends on the fight
bleak spoke
Or maybe you hold it on the vendetta on the azshara add and bang the other add with lucid tb coral
Yeah I’m just throwing out ideas
Cuz the crit buff is kinda large very fast
frigid briar
yeah thats what I thought, in raid and havnt had time to check stuff
bleak spoke
I wish I had one seems hella fun to play around with
Fights this tier are really interesting from a pure dps perspective for progress
On farm it’ll probably be boring when we’re overgeared and banging everything together for throughput
zenith gust
what bosses are aberrations? they all seem as ugly to me
rich raft
orgozoa and zaqul
zenith gust
k thx
rich raft
the ugliest 😛
zenith gust
well.. ashavane doesnt look any better
junior flume
Anyone here play sin for m+ or is outlaw still the way to go?
tacit plinth
Sin is very good in m+
tough whale
ayy grats
sullen pagoda
445 gorak tul 1st try
royal lantern
hmmm, still not sure if i roll shoulders or chest first
crystal comet
Is Crimson tempest the go to talent in M+ or the bomb is still the bomb?
solid nova
pb
jaunty arrow
best esence for m+? iris and lucid?
sweet heart
i go lucid for tyrannical iris for fortified
hollow junco
BOTE3 for both imo
sweet heart
if you have 3 😢
hollow junco
you too can develop a seething hatred for all mankind over the course of a 50k honor farm in random BGs
and when you come out the other side you will hate everyone but at least you'll have a great M+ essence.
muted jacinth
apparently ashran is the way to go for farming rn
hollow junco
anecdotally i never won a single ashran in the grind to 50k
hated every time that popped
sweet heart
lolol
hollow junco
just the worst experience
almost as bad as being alliance in tarren mill vs southshore when the other team has 3290417209371230987 boomkins and frost mages.
tulip tide
so i see that the pins say 2% dmg to the dudes, but can anyone explain why this isn't even mentioned?
tulip tide
What?
tough whale
Yeah the phys belt is actually really solid, i'd def roll for it for non abberation
balmy sentinel
Hey guys, if I Garrote from stealth when using Shrouded Suffocation and then cast another garrote after subterfuge, does shrouded suffocation go away? or will it stay on
tough whale
@balmy sentinel You overlap it and lose SS
solid nova
Yes, PB is poison bomb, not your name 😄
tough whale
I thought someone was giving me attention 😦
solid nova
Soz
tulip tide
Aah 😄
sweet heart
yes. if you overlap your garrote after subterfuge drops then it is not empowered anymore
balmy sentinel
@tough whale thank you!
tough whale
Def think the pins should mention phys belt for non abberations in EP
its a good % of damage on the logs i see
rigid mango
Should, yeah
tough whale
5 benthic to level 
tulip tide
But you recommend I first go for upgradign the abberations belt, rather than the phys one?
tough whale
id upgrade phys > abebration imo
rigid mango
I'd say it depends on what you raid tbh
tulip tide
Fair enough
rigid mango
If you raid mythic I'd go abberations bec I expect orgozoa and zaqul to be hard fights
tough whale
phys overall will net better benefit, plus ilevel will buff the proc effect of phys but not of abberation %
also youll need the damage for ashvane first before you touch org
jaunty arrow
so for m+ iris+lucid and tb and pb talents right?
slim socket
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/58njqKuoG3NGNSjiso8xS3
Fuck benthic tbh
ancient onyx
Yo Boys how do i play with Azshara trinket? Do i precast it way before the pull so i can still stealth? Or i have to be in combat for it to work
tulip tide
dayum tho
fiery sage
If u have both font and ashvane trinkets when do u wanna use em in raids to gain most of it
tough whale
font prepull @ 5, ashvane apply buff asap after, consume on vendetta ideally
strange python
bjk
fiery sage
so inbeetween the vendetta how many stacks to u wann go with ashvane
tough whale
however many you get lmao, i dont think youll hit a point where you have 'too many' if youre using it every 2mins
most i had was 24 but that was when it was bugged
Youll average prob around 15 every 2mins
fiery sage
but u wilkl have to deley u r vendetta if u want the consume with coral for gcd
urban frigate
yea its clunky as hell
fiery sage
yeahp
tough whale
better than missing font during vendetta
essentially youll pre font, then have coral for the last part of 'detta
it feels bad but thats the best youll have
with 2 on use
urban frigate
yeah thats how its been workingout on a one target fight
fiery sage
u dont have it cuz if u pre font then go do u r burst and starter u wont have the consume crit at all cuz its a 20 sec cd until u can consume
then vendetta will be over
urban frigate
hit font ~4-6s before vendetta
tough whale
^
urban frigate
yeah
tough whale
Since youre fonting 5s before pull youll be able to get most of razorcoral and font into vendetta
because you still have 4/5 gcds before you vendetta
fiery sage
i dient manage that and i precast the font and dident get any crit in the vendetta only yhe use first
cuz its all was cd
tough whale
You dont get crit from razorcoral in your first vendetta ever
fiery sage
thats what i mean 😛
urban frigate
its not a particularly easy trinket combo, and you gotta channel where youre safe etc
fiery sage
okey
tough whale
the trinket use time is still the same you just dont get the benefit from crit on your opener, nothing you can do about that
urban frigate
I play a melee so I dont have to cast! not this tier though
fiery sage
dont u wanna use some crit betwwen to get some crit out to the fight?
tough whale
not really
you wont hit a point where you have an ungodly ammount of crit during your vendetta window where its worth using inbetween unless its a situation you wanna crack out quick damage
fiery sage
okey i see
tough whale
Id resim too, raidbots really wants me on haste now that i have razorcoral and r3 blood
makes sense though
crude chasm
Hey guys, a question, when u se the mechagon trinket in a single boss?
inner tree
can someone explain why coral and inkpod have a great synergy ?
stiff mason
for guys that are using memory of lucid dreams when are u using it?
tough whale
if inkpod crits it does a metric fuckton of damage
zenith gust
is Vim's belt better than the aberrations belt, even on aberrations?
young girder
Is undulating tides bait?
wary ice
ripe nimbus
Possible to get 3 DD 1 NP 2 UT?
stable walrus
yes
turbid osprey
oo
just got chest from court, gonna try using UT over scent for now
bait or no bait scent is doo doo
inner tree
do we agree that coral is garbage on azshra ?
inner tree
yea
small island
gotta love 445 azerite simming worse than 420
tropic ocean
undulating is really bad
dont use uit
it*
undulating dps in a real fight
(over 18 pulls)
woven summit
s crating the extraordinary adventurers augment from the bot in mechagon worth it?
sullen hearth
So is the opener for w/ MA talented in the Ravenholdt guide good? its very different from the wowhead guides opener
anyone have any idea
arctic walrus
Wowhead uses an opener that is a very minimal gain only if you're running blood rank 3
sullen hearth
ok well im close to blood rank 3 so i guess ill stick with wowhead, im just trying to see what i need to commit to muscle memory
faint harness
anyone have a good azshara font of power WA?
faint harness
I wish i had that one
civic palm
Font of Razor Coral O _O @solid nova
Font is just a 3min CD though, should be easy enough to eyeball :3
civic palm
❤
faint harness
3 min cd 
undone moon
Are you all happy with the current state of assa? I mean damage and performance in raid
scarlet sequoia
no its bad 😠
civic palm
We're the best ST melee DPS > _>
scarlet sequoia
<_<
faint harness
assa is brooken
civic palm
Fucking... Rets.
crimson trellis
what the best pot for us ?
civic palm
Unbridled Fury @crimson trellis
undone moon
That's what I was thinking about, cleave literally kills us
civic palm
Last I checked.
Dribbling helps with it a little, but... > _> ye it's rough.
Just track Boss damage 👌
tall narwhal
undone moon
Is Dribbling bis?
faint harness
we have been so incredibly unlucky with dribbling
0 drops from 4 kills
on all our dps
prisma carbon
So if you run Font of power, you won't get master assassin on opener, correct?
keen elk
I got one week 1 and 410 lurkers/418 cyclotronic sim JUST better than lurkers/ink and ink just feels bad imo.
prisma carbon
I don't have a font, but the other rogue in my guild has it and told me that you don't get the buff unless you're in combat when the channel finishes. Is that wrong?
faint harness
you just stealth before you pull
and its just a normal stealth
why would the buff prevent MA 
hollow stone
Pretty sure everyone prechannelling it would disagree that it falls off
faint harness
wait
so you lose it
i'm looking at logs, and it doesnt show as if i had the buff on any opener
inner tree
how does coral sim so high in hectic ? kinda defeat the purpose of the trinket
civic palm
Hectic is Boss + sporadic adds IIRC.
civic palm
Dolt.
scarlet sequoia
.
knotty kindle
My sim doesn't pre-channel Font, is it wrong or?
knotty kindle
Sim doesnt support pre-combat, is that right?
rigid mango
What?`
civic palm
Right.
knotty kindle
Thanks
lime path
if it doesn't support pre-combat, then how does it account for 2 potions? riddle me that batman
/s
dire spoke
Does sim support pre-combat?
rigid mango
Idk man
knotty kindle
Asking the real questions
civic palm
SIM doesn't support CHANNELING precombat o _o
Since the trinket has a variable value, it can get whack.
lime path
I guess everyone overlooked my
/s
tawny shell
I feel like rank 2 blood is better than r3 lucid. Lucid feels so bad holding it for so long when you lust on pull
crude chasm
guys, does anyone have any good pawn code that I can get?
dire spoke
tawny shell
@dire spoke hard agree
dire spoke
@crude chasm you should get your own unless you want false information
use raidbots's stat weights output
rigid mango
feelycraft
sullen pagoda
dont even use statweights just sim all gear
sullen pagoda
for example haste sims the lowest for me but changing haste enchants is dps loss 🤷
dire spoke
Kistler 
shy kestrel
yeah, i’ve basically stopped using stat weights entirely too
gotta love premium raidbots
crude chasm
then, when how i see if i get good stats?
sullen pagoda
yea, before raidbots became a thing rarely people simmed
now its like so normal every day thing
crude chasm
i have 429ilvl and have crit26, has/20, mast/38/ver/6 with the kimbul trinket 425 and mechagon trinket
with two DD and two NP
dire spoke
@crude chasm use gear compare or topgear with your simulationcraft (addon) output ... if you end up having dps+ you got better gear and therefore stats
shy kestrel
yee, someone took over when i went on a break, but now they’ve gone on a break xD
crude chasm
my burst is really low i burst 50k and i got 27k max in single
scarlet sequoia
tf u doing then
shy kestrel
xD
arctic walrus
Link a log
ancient onyx
crude chasm
@dire spoke can i get links for that page, i already have the addon but where i put the codes?
placid dawn
guys, do you get the items for raid essence from normal AND heroic? so do i have to do both difficulties?
dark crag
Yes
dire spoke
You get more the higher the difficulty
placid dawn
so, i fucked up by not doing normal last week
placid dawn
ill least ill get rank 2 this week
autumn slate
I have rank 2 now
autumn slate
There was a post in mmo-champion about if you hadn't killed normal, when you kill hc then you get extra, but you couldn't also get from normal
undone moon
Is Blood of the Enemy better than Lucid Dreams as major? I've seen many rogues using the former.
autumn slate
For me blood Sims better
placid dawn
how many essences did you have after first week clear?
i have 5 extra and havent done anything this week
dark crag
Blood + minor lucid is a bigger burst at the moment
placid dawn
im not getting blood though, pvp sucks
undone moon
Farming PvP for Blood is a pain in the neck 😦
dire spoke
I'm bit afraid changing lucid to minor when I get the rank3 blood ... suddenly I need haste stuff
lol
dark crag
Wanna farm bgs?
placid dawn
i trieid bg yesterday
literally ran around getting fucked in the ass the whole time
never again
dire spoke
I mostly just support stunlocking in groups, cba doing solo stuff because it hardly works to fight any spec
dark crag
On saturday i will wake up refreshed and spam the last 25k until my eyes bleed
dark crag
In hindsight i should have done it week 1
civic palm
_>
harsh sphinx
oof
sullen pagoda
@round harbor hello fellow 415 dagger player
im going for how high ilvl can i get to without getting a dagger 
harsh sphinx
thought they just give AP
scarlet sequoia
good one
distant mist
I did my first td last night
dire spoke
just get mythic dagger on first boss 
distant mist
430 with socket
round harbor
Yeah I'm not bonus rolling on gear I can get from m+ base
But it's just crazy I haven't gotten one yet
gusty plinth
how do you use font + coral?
pearl pagoda
which bracers are the bis bracers we need?
pearl pagoda
just say pins next time than lol
scarlet sequoia
pins
dark crag
strange python
What major should you use if you don't have rank 3 BOTE
shell lodge
is there a single Azerite piece in Eternal palace, that have bis traits ? or even worth changing them from the one you have to drop on Dungeons, Benethic etc?
tropic ocean
the hat from zaqul
shell lodge
cuz i dont rly see one.
tropic ocean
is good
shell lodge
mhm so just head 😄 nice
dark crag
@strange python rank3 lucid + minor
Until raid essence r3
445 dice, 445 gorak, looks fake
empty badge
arctic walrus
Any ashvane proggers in the chat
prisma cypress
is the guide correct about focused resolve being the best ST potion?
nice flex
tough whale
ashvane proggers ofc
safe laurel
!essence
dire spoke
@arctic walrus yeah we're struggling with cooldowns too
nimble tartan
hello vel i am about to start ashvane give me your hottest tip @arctic walrus
tough whale
hit the boss, its pretty afk as rogue
arctic walrus
use vendetta on the bubbles @nimble tartan
nimble tartan
ok i trust u bro
tough whale
you can cloak turning into bubble but youll still bubble anyone near u gg
arctic walrus
Was just wondering if people consider Hidden blades over PB for bubbles
lines up pretty well
dire spoke
that's their problem 
tough whale
i douldnt take hb
normal quail
when I sim my char doesnt use my trinket 🙄 any idea why?
arctic walrus
They got me taking beam 
tough whale
focus on hard boss damage, you have heavy cleave classes to fuck the bubbles
ew
what
arctic walrus
bubble pad idfk
we got 4 beams so we alternate 2n2
means more people can focus boss
dire spoke
@normal quail you provided 0 information there 😄
nimble tartan
my guild goin in with 4 rogues we'll see how our bubble damage works out
normal quail
@dire spoke I mean, when I do a quick sim of my character to check the rotation, it never uses my trinket
nimble tartan
and i still have 415 dagger
arctic walrus
You ready to hate on me?
nimble tartan
i cant hate dude im immune
arctic walrus
I got 2 430 daggers back to back but vendored cuz no socket
arctic walrus
mhm
nimble tartan
so hot
prisma cypress
dual 400 dagger life
dire spoke
maybe I should sim with 5 worldvein too
hybrid laurel
wich pre pot are you guys using?
woven summit
big boy dps
dire spoke
how do you almost sim 2k higher Vel
jovial adder
hey boys we can cloak piercing barb right?
dire spoke
it doesn't make any sense despite all your sockets
swift moss
What is worldvein?
swift moss
Ah gotcha
woven summit
mine is bugged I can't get rank 2, those map parts doesn't drop for me
I filed a ticket
swift moss
Came back after 3 months so no idea what is going on lol
visual mesa
In the pinned messages it doesnt say anything about benthic hands, how are they valued?
arctic walrus
what's ur sim zempai
woven summit
zempai a big boy as well
dire spoke
I sim like dogshit
arctic walrus
Sockets, benthic, slightly azerite
civic palm
@dire spoke Yeah you do, jeez.
dire spoke
I have no idea whats wrong
arctic walrus
Oof that's with WV too
hybrid laurel
wondering if fury or determination pots are better
civic palm
It is a LOT of Haste on the gear @dire spoke
civic palm
Yeeaaaah,hmm.
acoustic atlas
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/meUsPYzudyFcntow424UjQ - telling me to use focused resolve, i thought Unbridled was better st
dire spoke
let me do a gear compare with heroic font
jovial adder
Hey if im targeted with piercing barb can I cloak it off?
acoustic atlas
I just simmed both and Unbridled is actually 400dps more for me idk why the first sim said focused resolve
civic palm
grim canopy
so i pretty much nee to get blood?
dire spoke
@civic palm https://i.snag.gy/UAP0jq.jpg
still missing 1k
what do I know
my rog broken
civic palm
Need 203 more sockets
arctic walrus
you don't have belt or gloves
dire spoke
what do I need belt for, it's abberations
grim canopy
what 2 essences for m+?
civic palm
Probably won't make you SIM better.
arctic walrus
Not abberation one, Vim's
grim canopy
iris and purification?
nimble tartan
grim canopy
what do you guys use form+
arctic walrus
iris/lucid
grim canopy
and for raid blood/lucid?
dire spoke
420vim's is +230 dps
well
all those small fishes I guess
imagine ilvl or mainstat would be relevant
whew
grim canopy
hmm everyon on WCL is using blood
woven summit
what's wcl?
dire spoke
logs
old quartz
w/ lurker and compendium, when would be best to use compendium trinket?
coarse plank
Heya, quick question. I’m took a little mini break due to work right before 8.2. So I haven’t played any of it. I was wondering if there’s anything I should do from a Rogue perspective right away?
Like the Essences and what not
woven summit
but the elite is MA
dire spoke
@coarse plank you can check the pins for that and go for those things
coarse plank
Okay so Lucid is is the Essence I want then.?
coarse plank
Was there any 8.2 nerfs/buffs to traits or anything? Or is it pretty much the same
woven summit
I lack 25k honor for rank 3 and got my hands full with keys and raid atm
so rank 3 blood will have to wait unfortunately
tough whale
the brawl ashran is solid IF you get a good group. esp on merc mode
meager nebula
@coarse plank for rogue its pretty much the same
dire spoke
@arctic walrus gottem 😂 https://i.snag.gy/NMEjmo.jpg
arctic walrus
Yea belt's easy to get since there's only 2
civic palm
0 NP 👌
atomic saddle
Why do some ppl wear Fathomstalker Wristwraps (pufferfish effect) and some are using Ori's tidal wristwraps (frostbolt effect)? Shouldn't Ori's tidal Wristwraps sim better in every way?
dire spoke
not everyone is lucky
shy grove
whats the rotation/opener with font of power
tough whale
precast at 5
atomic saddle
Frostbolt Benthic still sims better than Puffer so where's the point in taking puffer?
tough whale
aoe
dire spoke
why would you expect people to have both bracers
or is there a socket-titanforge boostpack in realmoney store I don't know about
tough whale
@midnight yarrow check pins in #wow-general
i mean im at 5 benthic w/ sockets
just depends on how much you farm
midnight yarrow
@tough whale ty sir
dire spoke
the other extreme doesn't do that and just pick puffer
knotty kindle
how do we sim what pot to use? cant find in any way
knotty kindle
been using focused resolve fml
native fable
meager nebula
both are in the pins
lime path
Radiance of azhara is hilarious with shadowstep btw
rigid mango
Vision of azshara?
lime path
radiance
rigid mango
cobalt pelican
it's just like stormwall sirens
puts you randomly on the platform
if you step the boss
kinda obnoxious
faint harness
Its a bit 
cobalt pelican
same
i was actually surprised how much of a non-fight it is on mythic
we had 2 people die on the first nados and still killed it comfortably somehow
using the precombat thing mystler posted for font makes it pretty fking gross
faint harness
Its just heroic with another add
cobalt pelican
i might have to actually play with it
dark crag
First boss was harder than 2 and 3 combined
cobalt pelican
i love 2 ook
i need an addon or weakaura or something that shows # of ppl in group with loyal to the end
i'm so sick of asking
faint harness
I didnt like cd timings on the other 2 bosses tho, most annoying part
dark crag
We asked our healers for permission to reset stacks
dark crag
The council of healers was like "we allow it"
zealous lily
um quick question that i cant test cause i'm in raid
what happens exactly if you attack another target during your focused resolve pot
faint harness
The font of power + bote openers tho 
zealous lily
is the buff simply removed or?
faint harness
Stacks reset
zealous lily
oh ok
tough whale
just replaced cyclo with my font, im ready >:D
dark crag
Kidney the other dps in zaqul delirium phase is fun
dark crag
Man, i really should get bote r3
fallow otter
i can feel that disappointment already of not getting coral or font for months
faint harness
I only got it at 420 atm
fallow otter
my luck so bad...
fallow otter
im still 422 some of my guildies are 435....
rigid mango
Just got trade left and right
fallow otter
granted im using 2x benthic
tough whale
430 in bag 424 equipped benthic HEHEHE
faint harness
Our tank got 450 with socket from our first normal run last week :)
dark crag
We now enter a phase were r3 guardian might be better, but once killtimers get lower bote could be best again
tough whale
plus i replace my 455 belt with benthic when i upgrade it again
strange python
im simming 1k less than I was yesterday with the same gear, wtf
fallow otter
my mate has 455 weapon and 455 socket trinket.... its her luck i need
faint harness
Wont get r3 guardian until next week 
tough whale
ive gotten 2 455s both in benthic slots, u want my luck?
dark crag
If you can't break her parse, break her heart
faint harness
Nope
rigid mango
Unless you're in a nutty guild
faint harness
Not even in nutty guild
rigid mango
not even enough from other 2 huh
dark crag
Next week is r3 week
tough whale
^
rigid mango
I don't actually know how many the other two drop on mythic 👀
rigid mango
hm?