think he means iris
#assassination
rough agate
solemn meadow
oh ye
I got it now
I wouldnt use iris
let other ppl do the adds
imo as assa your strong suit is doing superb st
white basalt
i dont have bote either
solemn meadow
got lucid?
solemn meadow
hmm for minor iris shouldnt be that bad? or island one
white basalt
just do that?
solemn meadow
ye
white basalt
my ST sim is Lucid Major Iris minor
white basalt
word. if i get yelled at for not killing adds, im telling them Lacroux said its cool.
solemn meadow
haha sure
if they want an assa rogue to do multiple small adds
they should look up how to play rogue
there are so many classes that benefit from cleaving on them
you can dot them for energy thats about it
all of the top logs are just ppl playing with beam 3x ss to pad numbers
they were probably even the only one able to do dmg on them
severe bough
kek
the other rogue in myguild is using iris for some reason
didnt know why
now i know
solemn meadow
Zaqul damage
adds
number 1 log
and if you really want to destroy adds you probably should play outlaw
shadow zealot
i keep seeing a few different things. trying to see if everyone prefers
Whats the opener everyone is using with no shrouded suff, and MA with toxic blade
And do u build to 5x cp and spam mut envs when you use vanish
mystic charm
!wa
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solemn meadow
@shadow zealot what essences are you running and on what boss?
chilly marsh
blood lvl 3 finally \o/
shadow zealot
Lucid, single target
solemn meadow
obviously
since blood as minor is trash
and r3 major blood is better than lucid
and lucid is the best minor
solemn meadow
nice gloves
topaz crow
anybody got the best idea on when to use font of azhara pre pull?
chilly marsh
never getting it
shadow zealot
Like 4 secs before
slow wadi
any idea how im meant to play with font+ coral sims says coral on execute and font paired with vendetta but sim using coral crit only after 4min fight. Is that proper way to do it then instead of example X amount of stacks with toxic blade?
wide python
did anyone answer about the opener vendetta and razor coral? we pretty much just activate razor coral on 2nd set of cds yea?
solemn meadow
since blizzard is stupid so azsharas gets you out of stealth in the raid but doesn't in mythic +
How to use Razer Coral trinket?
- For Assa, stack the crit conversion use with Vendetta. Coral also has a great synergy with the Dribbling Inkpod sub 30%.
is what the pins say
but since you guys use both actives
arctic walrus
you run sub in m+ and ma in raids
wide python
i saw the pin, but it doesnt really answer about the base use on bosses
arctic walrus
font breaks you out of stealth unless you take sub
stone pilot
some1 should pin the fact that subterfuge lets you do some shit like mount w/o breaking stealth since ppl seem to forget
arctic walrus
Yes. It's the same reason why you can hearth, mount, and do a bunch of other things inside stealth if you run subterfuge
severe bough
Kek
severe bough
Blizzard
Kek
What are you guys favoring after using blood major
I guess as many envenoms as humanly possible right?
cobalt pelican
sproink
balmy sentinel
is it okay to envenom with 4cp?
like if youre at 4 do you hit mut again or can you envenom and it wont kill your dps
final gazelle
i feel really stupid if i have been doing it wrong all this time
night summit
unbridled fury potion is best potion for us?
umbral mauve
crit for st
final gazelle
but am i knot supposed to renew garrote/rupture until right after they have just fallen off?
cobalt pelican
they have pandemic windows they can be refreshed in
final gazelle
okay, yeah
cobalt pelican
and unbridled is the best yes
final gazelle
that is what i was thinking
nimble tartan
no weapon from mythic π
final gazelle
i was jut watching a video
cobalt pelican
i got a weapon πΊ
nimble tartan
grats π
umbral mauve
maybe i should resim then
cobalt pelican
also got a fat 70 parse πΊ
umbral mauve
wanst the best this morning for me
celest swan
azshara glove sims are trustworhty right?
solemn meadow
it wants me to go full mastery?
cobalt pelican
i spent half of my time on the first boss wandering around
solemn meadow
nimble tartan
yes it is jonas
as long as those 2 mins happen and you can hit something
its fine
chilly marsh
we use blood 3 on cd or save for vanish + vendeta?
cobalt pelican
use on ads for big pad πΊ
nimble tartan
they fixed it jonas
solemn meadow
@cobalt pelican 
celest swan
@nimble tartan ok so the result is basicly we want both over benthic?
zenith gust
wait, i thought the good benthic belt was the aberration one, wtf
chilly marsh
vendeta >blood > vanish >? evenenon or toxi blade ?
crystal vault
βΏ
solemn meadow
you vendetta tb
nimble tartan
its one of the good ones
cobalt pelican
just be lucky and get all the benthic socketed from wq rewards
and planning for mythic azshara loot already seems a bit
preemptive
cause the heroic storm items are not better than benthic
solemn meadow
^
solemn meadow
I only have the storm gloves
cobalt pelican
boggers
radiant sorrel
http://prntscr.com/ogk36c is this good assa ?
radiant sorrel
oro's ?
cobalt pelican
oro whats this
solemn meadow
owo
radiant sorrel
cobalt pelican
i like it it just makes an annoying sound
radiant sorrel
or not need to farm π
radiant sorrel
is it possible to have a socket ?
cobalt pelican
yes
solemn meadow
y
chilly marsh
trying some variations looks like vendeta > tb > blood> vanish> envenon is the better dmg
night summit
how come unbridled fury is better than crit pot or even superior agi
radiant sorrel
:d
radiant sorrel
now will farm for perls
cobalt pelican
dam
radiant sorrel
where I can find list of best benthic gear for assa rouge ?
shadow zealot
Im sure a socket wont drastically change ur dps
zenith gust
say that to my 8 sockets
cobalt pelican
realistically your play will always be the limiting factor
but as far as number upgrades go
holes thiq
shadow zealot
Yeh if u have 8 sockets
solemn meadow
meh
cobalt pelican
but you know
shadow zealot
But spending 1000s of mana pearls trying to attain 3 sockets
shadow zealot
Im thinking the tine
solemn meadow
the boots / bracers/gloves/belt
shadow zealot
Time investment
cobalt pelican
having a socket on a piece you're going to be wearing the entire tier is
cobalt pelican
worth a few pearls
devout gazelle
just got from a daily quest the jelly wrists with socket.. Maybe its worth to upgrade it rathen than gamble fro ori's i think.. the difference is around 80dps between them
devout gazelle
and the fucking wrists are too many 1/6 plus the socket you need π¦
cobalt pelican
tbh it's really nice
even though it's the worst tier to get plumage
having a thiq one when i have no other trinkets
is comfy
none of this WEN I USE CORALE LOL?? shit i just press my f key
solemn meadow
i switch my active trinkets
cobalt pelican
and DAMAGE
solemn meadow
with active trinkets
cobalt pelican
appearsa
solemn meadow
coral is insane tho
gonna bonus roll hc ashvane tomorrow
since ashvane is going to be the first big blocker
devout gazelle
feels good that got it first week at 450ilvl tho dont know yet how to use it properly π
guess sync it with vend
solemn meadow
gratz
the only thing I am happy with is that i probably wont get a weapon upgrade
in long time
river sundial
is there like a definitive time to use coral...or is it just whenever my heart wills me towards it
jk checked TC updates
river zinc
on lady ashvane - do you guys save vendetta for the dmg increase?
slow wadi
It don't have dmg increase but yes i saved since was asked to save just incase
river zinc
im sorry I said wrong boss
im talking about Za'qul heroic
do you save vendetta for the 30% dmg taken buff or just use it on CD to make sure you dont miss any
lime path
what's the dmg cap on how much cheat death can soak for?
zenith gust
Lul , i got the Vims belt with socket from bnet object recovery tool π
zenith gust
@river zinc good question
slow wadi
answer will depend a lot on killtime
silent silo
Is echoing blades x3 and hidden blades still the go to for m+?
rare garden
i think im stuck in s1, haven't given up on 3x ss
rigid mango
@silent silo it never was and isn't now either
silent silo
well what is it then?
silent silo
with hidden blades?
mental summit
anyone know of any addons or weakauras that make multi target dotting easier? tab targeting seems to target everything BUT what I want to target sometimes
signal ice
I dont have one exactly that i can share but you can set up your boss frames properly and make WA to track bleeds on Boss1, Boss2, Boss 3 ETC. that way you can just mouseover the boss frames.
cobalt pelican
tab is a pretty consistent method of targeting
it's not like it's just randomly targeting things for fun
waxen vine
whats the general consensus on Ashvane's Razor Coral
vapid scarab
macro it to vendetta
waxen vine
how does the interaction with other players that have it work?
on court it was feeling weird with the reactivation, maybe my wa was just buggy
vapid scarab
there is no interaction with other players
waxen vine
Oh i read on wowhead that only one player could apply debuff at a time
or something weird, but realized its from awhile back
ptr
daring jewel
How is assassination in mythic + with all the new essences? Is it good for pushing?
strange python
so are we still using haste gems or critical strike now?
ive always tried stacking haste but sims are saying use critical strike
spice cloak
guess that answers that heh
next ice
The one that sims the most
hazy iron
Attack speed is normalised, main hand / off hand enchants donβt matter which has which as far as I know
vocal lion
why icy veins said Crit>haste?
rigid mango
Because generally that's pretty true
heady ridge
why do i see so many people going 3 twist the knife even though bloodmallet rates it so low?
heady ridge
uhhhh
yeah, i guess
and m+ are bosses this week so i guess its about the same
we need single target dmg
rigid mango
The main reason in raid is bec of a lot of the raid pieces having it
So it's just that, probs
M+ this week I'm really enjoying 2/2/2 with memebeam as it feels really good to play
rigid mango
3 ttk 2 eb 1 ss with deeper and lucid seemingly works real well too
DD is better for sure, yeah
But TTK is much simpler to come about
Think all 3 az pieces ffom first three have ttk?
heady ridge
2have ttk, 2 have dd
vocal lion
im losed
heady ridge
we all are
rigid mango
The best simming one
heady ridge
weps i guess force multiplier and quick navigation
rigid mango
Normally force + best nav
heady ridge
also what about nothing personal?
rigid mango
For st? Giga
heady ridge
it looks like a good 1 point trait
heady ridge
right now i feel like if possible, at least a shrouded suffocation and a nothing personal should be there, then the other 4 can be 3 TTK/DD and i guess a EB just to have it
fallow otter
considering it might be a bit before we can get mythic helm off 2nd last boss and first boss has TTK and DD on it, what is everyones plans for gambling? im so on the fence about gambling chest vs shoulders - shoulders seem like the long term move coz we want the gorak shoulders again... by the looks especially since you can switch between blightborne and NP to suit other drops you get... so torn...
rigid mango
I don't agree with the usage of SS, but sure
fallow otter
for raid
heady ridge
master assasin looking better than subterfuge?
rigid mango
SS is giga on cleave and I run 3 whenever I need it, but I don't think it's a neee
Yes and no
Simple answer is yes
heady ridge
but i guess master assassin requires to run blood of the enemy
rigid mango
@fallow otter both shoulders and chest have 2 good pieces each
heady ridge
and i can't seem to win any bgs lol
rigid mango
Should has tent and goraks, chest has cepha and spymaster
Eiher is good
No, MA does not require blood
In some situations it even makes it worsep
kind bone
!wa
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https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
kind bone
fallow otter
depends on whether you have time to get rank3 blood, or m+/naz wq/capping islands
in raid you can run lucid/worldvien
rapid aurora
man im trying master of the assassin live and its just a pain in the ass
lusty narwhal
Why
rapid aurora
idk man
strange python
ill im bursting at like 90k with master assassin running coral and all crit gems with force+ on main and deadly on off
fallow otter
i gem crit and have cos trinket (mastery)
so my stat weights are pretty even
so iris minor works well
fallow otter
i dont have the option for blood rank3, no time to pvp so ill just wait for rank3 raid essence, blood opener is higher burst than lucid/iris but i catch up over time and overtake, much more consistent dmg
rapid aurora
assassination spec looks fucked rn im not raiding mythic this tier ffs
vocal lion
Assasin = broken
strange python
karmic mulch
is it ok to link a gyazo gif? i have a question about a weird interaction
fallow otter
im with @unreal perch im loving sin atm
rapid aurora
its fun to play i just dont understand why i cant do dmg
fallow otter
got a link to your sim?
unreal perch
^
rapid aurora
im sending it to you
unreal perch
sin definitely does damage, could very well be a few reasons
unreal perch
33.8k is not doing damage?
rapid aurora
need shoulder that i cant loot
well
im last dps
in my raid grp
i cant keep my dps high for a long time
and lacking of energy
tribal marlin
I couldn't wait 2 week to roll a dice for 445 so I bough 430 azerite ....
rapid aurora
BIG TIME
tribal marlin
worth it π ?
arctic walrus
link logs not sims
rapid aurora
i only did 1 boss with this set up
sending them sec
im leolulu
last dps π
lol
lament wharf
why are people putting nav on MH and force on OH?
rapid aurora
whats the difference if we put nav on OH lol
cerulean walrus
It doesn't matter
unreal perch
you get the same amount either weapon
tribal marlin
you can reach 40k+ with 430 azerites, benthics, sockets
vapid scarab
sockets+benthic plus optimal items
tribal marlin
good trinket too
vapid scarab
also i only sim 36.5 and im 427
fallow otter
yes
arctic walrus
no prepot
fallow otter
except azerite
arctic walrus
died too
vapid scarab
yeah but generally you upgrade to 420 and then roll more
420-425 is for when you have everything else
tribal marlin
if you have rerolls
you can grab easily 30-40 pearl per reroll in no time and you can gamble with theim
fallow otter
@pseudo salmon pmed you
rapid aurora
@arctic walrus yeah ik i so frustrated that i just stop dps
tribal marlin
frustated about what Oo
rapid aurora
my low dmg
like idk what i am doing wrong
there's another rogue in my grp that is not really helping me cuz he want his spot for the mythic lol
and he is using that MoA build and out dmg my ass big time
vapid scarab
well not hitting anything and dying is one thing
rapid aurora
in everylog people are doing WAY higher dmg with double dose that im doing
icy ember
rapid aurora
i remember in a fight the other rogue in the grp did 2x++ my dmg
i have 2 actually cuz if im using 3 i needto wear a shitty piece
vapid scarab
yeah, that'll happen when you spend 20s afk
arctic walrus
You cyclo inside vendetta
vapid scarab
I mean I'm sure there's similar stuff happening in most of your fights
rapid aurora
with master it give 50% crits
so
the other rogue is doing 3x the dmg of my cyclo doing that
he can do up to 1.2M dmg with his cyclo
vapid scarab
MA only affects rogue abilities
rapid aurora
well i dont understand then
tribal marlin
It's not in the tooltip but MA only affect rogue direct damage, not trinket and other procs.
You should use cyclo after vendetta and fit more globals/envenom in your Bote/vendetta windows
also you are not pooling at all
most of the time you do only 1 evenom inside tb windows, you should fit 3 or 2 with bad luck
Outside of TB/Vendetta there is no reason to use energy, wait to be at least at 100 energy before using an envenom outside of TB/Vendetta windows and burn all energy during vendetta/TB
rapid aurora
okok but if you look at the first boss i have 2x double dose and the other rogue have 3 but his double dose hitted 40 time+ then mine what can help me improve that
okok
ty
tribal marlin
This is because you are not pooling correctly
DD damage is tigh to the amount of Mutilate you are doing inside Evenom buff.
To maximise this, you need to pool energy before using envenom
rapid aurora
okok
yo im sorry for not knowing every aspect of this class i just start playing it like 1 month ago
that information i didnt knew
tribal marlin
Basically you generate 4cp with mutilate, then you pool to 100+ energy, you use a evenom, do 2 mutilate inside envenom buff and pool again before next envenom. This is outisde of TB windows. When TB comes of cooldown you stop doing this and just spam your mutilate/envenom, then you go back to pooling cycle.
Tbh honnest it's not the major issue, the biggest loss of dps here is that you are wasting half of your big cooldown by casting Cyclo in your Vendetta + TB windows. Adding to this the pooling thing is what make you feel so low dmg.
rapid aurora
or so while im in my down phase waiting for my energy this is the moment to use cyclo
rapid aurora
should always wait for enough energy to evenom and then 2 mut
tribal marlin
yes
tribal marlin
if you do this, and if you always use TB on cooldown, you should always have enough energy during TB to fit 2-3 envenom in it.
Use Cyclo during pooling and there you go
tribal marlin
Yes
rapid aurora
damn alright
rotund oar
do you garrote at 4 cps outside of stealth garrotes at all?
tribal marlin
are you talking about ST ?
rotund oar
yes
round harbor
lone junco
@rapid aurora as i said earlier. you'll need to post a log to get much more help than that.
tribal marlin
outside of vanish windows you are using garrote as usual i.e. during pendemic windows and preferably not during TB assuming you won't loose uptime doing it.
Dont override subt garrote tho
I'll go Loyal to the end
but might have to sim it and know how many people in raid have it
rapid aurora
@lone junco yeah it was kinda hard because i only did 1 try with master of the assassin during my raid night ,,,
but thx @tribal marlin i just tried that on a dummy it the dmg is GOOD
tribal marlin
Happy to help you
Most important thing right now is to stop using Cyclo during Vendetta+TB+Blood+Vanish +Racial window π
unreal perch
So is it worth delaying the garrote pandemic window if you're in TB so long as it doesn't drop off?
rapid aurora
but do you think that MoA is THE talent to go with or playing subter with suffo can be good too
tribal marlin
I don't know. Apl do not delay garrote application.
unreal perch
Oh also; what takes priority, not delaying TB or not using TB at 4+?
I probably could have worded it better
drifting cloud
@tribal marlin does apl delay vendetta if you play subterfuge even without ss traits?
to align with vanish?
unreal perch
Vendetta should always align with vanish, no?
tribal marlin
No apl never delay vendetta
Oh I mean
yes it delay vendetta if you are playing SS + Exs iirc
but only 2nd one
iron vigil
What do you guys mean by the term Cyclo
unreal perch
I'm curious how late you're using vanish if you'd have to elay vendetta for it
tribal marlin
No vendetta don't align with vanish if you play subter
unreal perch
Ah, gotcha
elder gulch
what's our BiS weapon from raid?
unreal perch
Guess it's been a bit since I used subter
iron vigil
What do you guys mean by the term Cyclo
lost horizon
cyclotron trinket punchcard
rapid aurora
do not use it during vendetta
oh
yeah
the red card that you can put into the meca trinket
tribal marlin
playing subter without Exs feels wrong xD
I mean, TB is defintly better theese days, but it feel wrong vanishing random to reapply subter garrote
drifting cloud
yeah but now for me it legit sims less than 100 dps and its braindead, wonder how much dps you lose if you screw up your MA
unreal perch
I'm just kinda happy I'm back to needing haste most. It felt wrong needing crit and vers...
tribal marlin
I have everything mostly equal. Crit loose value with MA and win value with Subter
So I just run MA + Full versa
unreal perch
Haste was lowest earlier today, now they're pretty equal
tribal marlin
so I get little dmg reduction
strange python
i droped haste from 25%to 14% made 35% crit and 47% Mastery and im doing better dps
unreal perch
With haste barely edging past mastery
strange python
in raid on ST
unreal perch
I also gained like 4k dps today which is hype
tribal marlin
Versa is cool !
rapid aurora
what essence are you guys using ? everyone seems to be using Bote with lucid in minor
tribal marlin
reduce incoming dmg=
cobalt flame
Yeah i got screwed yesterday. Out of 10 dungeons , full hc clear and 2 mythic bosses i got 2x 435 wrists and 1x 450 wrists. Ofc benthic still sims better
lusty narwhal
Im at 26 crit, 19 haste, 31mast 6 vers
cobalt flame
Cant use bote since there is no way in hell i am farming honor 
lusty narwhal
Unless you live on the game its a bit hard
rapid aurora
i only have rank 2 of bot
tribal marlin
try to sim Major Lucid + Minor Focusing iris then
cobalt flame
Idk it sims for me low anyways
rapid aurora
it is painfull farming 50k honor
distant mist
I just turned my brain off
heady ridge
what's the general consensus on vision of perfection? sucks? is ok?
distant mist
Having friends talk to you and keeping you sane helped
strange python
Just join as Ali, they have better honor rewards and during BG wqtch seriΓ‘l or movie π
cobalt flame
Idk why but bote is pretty decent dmg loss for me according to sims.
strange python
this way i farmed 50k
distant mist
Yup
strange python
yep
median sonnet
Enlisted bonus yeah
unreal perch
That explains why I shot up honour so fast
I really should farm some honour so I have it when I unlock bote
strange python
Then do some quests in epic BG they give u 1,5k honor
unreal perch
They should have let you skip rank 1 bote like some other essences
strange python
I think that every BG has 2 this quests
rapid aurora
hey guys is there a place that we can fully try our rotation with the vanish?
unreal perch
Honestly I could farm some at work but
I'm lazy
I could be like farming gold instead! Lol
I mean I can do more with gold anyways
oh on the note of bgs, what are people liking to play in bgs as rogue?
spice cloak
less fun than spriest in pvp for sure
fallow otter
im running lucid/iris
unreal perch
mostly sticking to sin in it?
hearty arch
!help
unreal perch
wasn't sure if I wanted to stick with sin in pvp or try a different spec
balmy stump
any guide on ashvane trinket?
charred canopy
Does anyone have a answer for this? so i just got the ashvane coral trinket and i understand that u wanna have the crit for ur vendettas but i dont see a way for u to be able to get the crit for the opener so im just wondering if thats more or less for every vendetta after the opener
unreal perch
mostly people are popping ashvane with vendetta
and it's for the vendetta's after the first
charred canopy
kk thats what i was just wondering regarding the opener
unreal perch
ya, at least you still have the stacking dot from it so it's not a dead trinket before your second vendetta
charred canopy
im assuming u just get the crit everytime the 2nd use is up and just making sure u have crit prepped for ur other vendettas
median sonnet
Hmm, Cyclo seems to be used by quite many top-end raiders, I guess the red card is just that good?
hearty arch
!essence
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Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
median sonnet
I got tons of yellow cards lying in bank, I should probably do some simming :P
unreal perch
there's a good chance you won't have to sim the yellow cards
unless they're all over the place with stat allocation and iLvl
median sonnet
I really haven't paid much attention to it, is the blast cone-ish so it can be used both ST and MT?
fallow otter
its not a cone its a targeted on use
median sonnet
But still applicable for both I presume?
unreal perch
Cyclonic is single target. if you're talking about iris it's aoe
median sonnet
Ok, thanks
unreal perch
iris is also an essence while cyclotronic is on a trinket
median sonnet
Yeah, I've been using iris in m+
I've just totally managed to ignore Cycle altogether :D
</shame>
unreal perch
if it helps I don't have iris yet lol
spice cloak
which bosses were abberations?
tall pelican
How would pure single target @item level 440 go in Mythic plus ?
Would the single target damage in bosses out weigh the aoe
fallow otter
@spice cloak only 2, the tank belt is better dps
spice cloak
wouldnt swap it out for them?
fallow otter
you have boots and bracers already?
spice cloak
yeah no sockets on anything though
fallow otter
sockets need
meager nebula
@tall pelican no
you still want to have the ability to deal aoe damage
since trash has more hp overall than bosses
so the faster the trash dies, the more time you have for bosses
spice cloak
interesting ty
wheat bobcat
Do you guys expect us not to scale as well as other classes as the tier progresses?
meager nebula
Sin scales quite well compared to other melee
lean coral
poen gloves were the good ones right
wheat bobcat
@meager nebula ty
pale cave
Assassination is amazing right now. I destroy the meters on the first new raid boss.. .my 440 Harlan's Dice has me feeling OP.
drifting cloud
I got a 440 dice aswell, it sims worse than my cyclo and coral
and its like 300 dps or something, so not that close
meager nebula
The only disadvantage sin has, is that it doesn't have a 40 yard range on all of its abilities
patent topaz
My guild is pretty dead but I have 13 characters on the server so I dont want to transfer, again
unreal perch
13 character transfers, oof
fallow otter
we are the only competitive guild left on our server, we are eventually going to have to xferr aswell
server is dead
we still have numbers to do mythic but materials on AH sucks....
patent topaz
im on Defias Brotherhood which is RPPVP so lol
shell lodge
Sounds sad mate, proably u just didnt found the right ppl. I found my guild on private server, then we moved onto retail, Ally, when guild had a bit of problems with activity and members income, we decided to change nation, and we were boosting raids etc, making gold to help ppl to do so. Cutting edge on everythink so far, sam guild for years now. Also we making guild meet ups, party and other events few times a year : p
Maybe transfer just one and try and find some better ppl. Eventually Eh... i know it sucks, grind another one.
meager nebula
Non spec topics to #wow-general please
shell lodge
Sorry
patent topaz
finally replaced my 390 socket mother dagger with the conquest reward one, 130 dps increase
drifting cloud
in offhand?
patent topaz
yea
drifting cloud
yeah that makes sense
meager nebula
Sockets and gems are too strong
lime path
any of you guys good with macros?
patent topaz
I dont know why I'm really doing all of this stuff when I dont even raid now. We did clear normal with a frankenstein group but that was pretty painful
fallow otter
@lime path what you need
steel wagon
can someone explain to me why people are using blood of the enemy major instead of lucid dreams
upbeat geode
cuz it sims better
lime path
a shadowstep macro that works both as a mouseover on friendly and hostile targets, and that works when I target something
steel wagon
i sim like 600 dps better with rank 3 lucid
upbeat geode
sphinctus, what minor did you sim with Blood as a major?
meager nebula
World vein is a bit of a sim trap
fallow otter
@lime path can you wait a few hours and ill send you exactly mine - im at work atm
steel wagon
wait
patent topaz
I use lucid 3 major and rank 2 quest essence I forget the name of
steel wagon
blood as major
lime path
sure bud, thanks
dusky lichen
do u let razor coral to get 10 stacks then u reactivate?
timber meadow
Anyone here good at breaking down warcraft logs dmg taken? Curious if there's a way to see not just how many times someone got hit by barrage but out of those hits, how many caused a mixture
patent topaz
apparently swapping them would be like a 150 dps gain but fuck that noise
steel wagon
like i sim better as lucid major worldvein minor, vs blood major lucid minor
upbeat geode
tazstingo you dont care about the amount of stacks, you just activate it before vendetta
meager nebula
Razor coral usage is in the pins @dusky lichen
dusky lichen
cheers @meager nebula
meager nebula
With worldvein, take into account that if nobody is actually getting value out of it you shouldn't use it
It sims with 5 allies iirc
civic palm
by default 5, yeah.
steel wagon
all the melee in my guild have rank 2 or 3 worldvien
fallow otter
yeh depends on the fight but its still good thats for sure
lime path
@fallow otter nvm I made it work π
fallow otter
@lime path nps π
steep obsidian
how can ya even have r3 worldvein by now?
i thought i was reducing the missions as much as i could
both have been 36 hours so far
upbeat geode
sone have shorter missions than others, thanks rng
steel wagon
my worldvien missions have been 18 hours
drifting cloud
its not rng, you could cheese and do it 1 week earlier
steel wagon
no, followers reduice to 18 hours.
steep obsidian
do it just before a reset?
upbeat geode
default was 3 days for me, default 16 hours for a guildie
drifting cloud
on EU it was pretty easy, but it was also something with getting rank 2 before you turned in the map
steep obsidian
my first default was 6 days but depending on followers i used ot reduced to 18 hours
steel wagon
defauly is 3 days for me, with two followers lowering time and 3x blacksmithing time things
it's 18 hours
steep obsidian
oh i dont have the blacksmith things
maybe i should get them seeings that the herb one is kinda shit
as is the fish finder
drifting cloud
theyre pretty expensive
patent topaz
I have no follower equipment
drifting cloud
because they cost 20 expulsom to make
patent topaz
mission table sucks ass this expansion
started on a new server at the beginning of WOD and I had 6.5m at the end of legion
chilly dagger
And this is why they suck this expansion
upbeat geode
seeing as we now need blood of the enemy, whats the best way to farm it?
inner citrus
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
fallow otter
how long does it take doing that
steel wagon
like 20 hours for 50k
meager nebula
Premade groups make it a breeze
meager nebula
It's pretty good
steel wagon
yeah i sim at 37,900k without blood
meager nebula
But you can survive without it
steel wagon
using rank 3 lucid rank 2 worldvein
blood is only to min max right now cause we are eventually going to use raid essence major, lucid minor, worldvein minor right?
steel wagon
so if we are like a US 300 world 500ish CE guild then it's probably not the biggest deal to get bote
meager nebula
Nah
steel wagon
im going to go for it just for completion sake tbh
meager nebula
If you're like one reset away from rank 3 raid essence it probably isn't going to be a priority
faint harness
tuning and all that though
fallow otter
my only motivation will be a requirement for EB foir sin m+ but if outlaw stacks up ill just stick to that for doing 1 high key a week
i cbf pushing this season
steel wagon
assassin is sick as fuck in m+ this season tho
meager nebula
Both specs are good this season
steel wagon
they need to make gouge baseline lol
meager nebula
Wouldn't really matter which you play
steel wagon
just remove it for PVP i dont care
i just want it in PVE lol
bring back burst of speed
reeee
winter gale
Without simming, can anyone tell me wich major/minor combo is considered best?
fallow otter
good news is we will be back to gemming haste when we switch to condensed force/lucid
steel wagon
blood main lucid minor until u get rank 3 raid essence
lucid major is still p good tho
reef axle
Lucid still Simming higher for me, so going with that over blood
winter gale
Im using Lucid major and Worldvein minor since it simms best for me but I somehow dont like it
fallow otter
ya me 2
meager nebula
There isn't a set in stone option between blood and lucid majors
Simming is always best
fallow otter
@meager nebula just simming mastery now but out of haste v crit its haste for condensed
meager nebula
Could have something to do with the amount of spike procs you get
If it's affected by haste then more haste = more procs
fallow otter
yeh i mean, lots is up in the air, thats using 3xDD, 1xNP, 1xBI, 1xTTK - and that might jump around a little depending on gamble luck
meager nebula
Which sounds likely
strange python
I think that bote major is better for burst and lucid major for longer fights.... Bcs i didnt energy starving in HC fights or m+ and im running mastery/crit eq
fallow otter
yeh lucid major is much more consistent and i overtake our blood major rogues but they burst harder
fallow otter
but then we're cominnnnnnnnn
lol
lookin forward to font + coral nothing else gets close to competing
part of me hopes for an adjustment on both
coz otherwise there is no discussion about what you need
strange python
i got coral yesterday and i had worse dps as with lurker + cyclo
vapid scarab
2 on use is annoying tho if one isn't cyclo
strange python
Tried with coral + lurker
fallow otter
coral works differently though like cyclo from what i understand
but i need someone that has it to confirm
vapid scarab
not really
lean coral
you get the use of it during burst
strange python
IT did just 1% dmg for me.. But i maybe used it wrong
vapid scarab
you want to pull out the stacks with vendetta for big crit during it
lean coral
which is when you also use font
so they dont mix well imo
coral inkpod probs work
you can use coral to make inkpod activation fat too
fallow otter
font prepull and then when is coral? 2nd vendetta?
vapid scarab
yeah
fallow otter
thats my assumption
lean coral
watching limit get bosses to 30% and then they insta drop like 3-4% hp is funny as shit
vapid scarab
I mean then when do you use 2nd font in that case
lean coral
i dont think you can use font with coral persoanlly
vapid scarab
like, two 2minute cd on use trinkets sync garbagely with each other
lean coral
personally*
vapid scarab
I mean if it sims higher it sims higher
but it will feel very annoying to play with
vapid scarab
one gets used with vendetta and the other gets used asap
real charm
guys I know probably question already asked but didn't manage to find the right answer - Which pre-pot to use in pure ST situation ?
lean coral
i have the font
and punchcard
i just font before burst
and it works well
idk what you'd do with font coral tho
fallow otter
need someone that knows how to use to fill us in
we just floating in the wind guessing
civic palm
Well what's the CD on both of them?
Should be easy enough to just... know... honestly.
lean coral
font 2 min
coral 30 seconds
issue is the way coral works
best time to use is with vendetta
civic palm
uhhuh
lean coral
activate coral and it starts stacking
second one consumes stacks with crit
second activation*
civic palm
Does the first activation trigger any CDs?
lean coral
not sure dont have that one
i have font
which is a channel for a fuckload of agi for 30 seconds
5 second channel
civic palm
and Font triggers the CD after the channel I assume.
lean coral
that one does
civic palm
Mmm, not 100% on the APL usage atm.
As it's using Coral 20s after Font channel.
and also kinda in the middle of nowhere.
mmm
drifting cloud
yeah the cd is 20, not 30
upbeat geode
using 1 trinket triggers 20 sec cd on other
dull wraith
what happens if you go over 100% crit? is the rest just wasted or is it converted into crit damage?
upbeat geode
waste
civic palm
I know the CD on Coral is 20s, my assumption is that using another On Use trinket would incur the generic 30s lockout.
was that*
upbeat geode
its a 20 sec lockout
civic palm
also wtf is the name of the buff you get from coral from converting the stacks to crit?
π
If it's a 20s lockout from Using Font ~> Coral you're probably going to want to stack the last 10 seconds on Font with the giant crit dump.
Along with w/e Vendetta window you might have, though things get fucky with timing.
upbeat geode
you do that with lurkers, last 10 sec of lurkers can overlap with coral
civic palm
Follow the APL then, this seems right.
With Lucid_M it's stacking;
Font
Vendetta
Vanish
TB
Lucid_M
Coral
aka, Coral 20 seconds after Font + Vendetta + Vanish
If you get under 80NRG use Lucid_M if you have it equipped.
upbeat geode
what does the apl say about 2nd set of cooldowns, where can i find this?
lean coral
that has to be for the second set
cause coral wont do much on first
since you'd have no stacks
civic palm
Just run a SIM with the items equipped, since you used them in the opener as such, you let Coral stack until you are in that last 10 second window.
This orientation shifts if you are preCombatCasting Font however.
civic palm
Yeah sounds right.
lean coral
i guess id just use coral where i use punchcard now then
warped siren
hey guys I have a question, does Undulating Tides damage proc stop happening once the shield procs? or is it only the shield? or both?
civic palm
LOOKS LIKE;
There, clipped the Vanish last time > ,<
@warped siren Yep. Shield procs, DMG component is lost for the duration of the shield.
warped siren
so only the 8 seconds of the shield or the whole 45 seconds?
tropic ocean
so the inkpod trinket is huge residentsleeper trinket?
civic palm
2nd Coral use is reapplying the DoT to charge the crit conversion.
There's a giant Debuff you get when proccing the shield, lasts that long. @warped siren
Inkpod is just good, as far as I can tell.
lean coral
hpally in my guild got a 455 trying to get a ret weapon
warped siren
thank you mizerok
tropic ocean
its not avalued really high in sim but the rogues and ret in method use it
lean coral
inkpod
lean coral
yeah
lean coral
less time in last phases of bosses with it
tropic ocean
its giga
civic palm
If you stack them it gets especially stupid.
lean coral
mixed with coral you can get the proc to crit
fallow otter
yeh apparently that combo works well
be good if i had either of the 3, maybe i can get normal version to play with
we downed first boss lastnight before clearing heroic, 2nd boss tonight whats the difficulty level of 2 and 3, equal to 1?
tropic ocean
so far from ppl that downed 1st and 2nd they told me 2nd is easier
bleak spoke
Man casting lucid early in v seems depleted
onyx hedge
First 3 are not hard at all
bleak spoke
Iβve been using it when I canβt fill a global anymore
lean coral
that apl thing that was linked up there has it being used 13 seconds after vendetta
idk tho i stopped using it after i got rank 3 blood
bleak spoke
Yeah that seems alright then
tropic ocean
@onyx hedge well the first one is very movement intense
bleak spoke
How much better does r3 blood sim
tropic ocean
and idk thats the flaw in majority of players
bleak spoke
Right now Iβm playing lucid major with iris
onyx hedge
Lucid iris isnt bettr forsingle target
tropic ocean
for me lucid iris sims best as well
onyx hedge
huh
bleak spoke
But for progress I think Iβd always pick burstier option even if itβs numerically worse slightly
lean coral
yeah the burst i get from blood is great
solid nova
@tropic ocean Same 
even at a 5 stack worldvein
lean coral
i tried world vein i could never get 5 stacks
fallow otter
yeh other rogues in my raid have more time so they have blood, they burst harder but i catch them and overtake
bleak spoke
The opener with lucid is intense though
onyx hedge
What dps are you guys siming with iris and lucid???
lean coral
i dont even check iris for st
bleak spoke
Itβs the haste buff from the minor
bleak spoke
Boring but serviceable
fallow otter
theres the comparison, not worth me farming rank3 blood at all, ill be switching to condensed/lucid soon
bleak spoke
I just rolled socketed crit benthic boots though finally maybe when I upgrade them my sim wonβt be depleted
tropic ocean
@solid nova btw are you in charge of updating ravenholdt website ?
celest mica
when is the best point to use the laser from the mechagon red card
bleak spoke
Yeah condensed major lucid minor on next reset
solid nova
@tropic ocean No but i have the connections to sort it 
bleak spoke
Iβve been using it after vendetta before tb
solid nova
Whats up?
lean coral
i use it once tb is over
onyx hedge
@fallow otter my rogue is bascially the exact same as yours accept i dont have lurkers becuase my guld itsnt good enough to kill heroic gto get good ilvl, im going to go a mythic guild, and then the helpmet and dagger from first boss i coined 6 times and have not got
tropic ocean
the rotations are very outdated π
solid nova
Uno momento
bleak spoke
I have a 415 font and that thing does heavy damage
lean coral
i lose 600 dps using lucid iris combo
onyx hedge
bruv font is bis, if i had that i would be simming like 40k or something stupid
i need like 3 peices and i will sim like 6k hgher
lean coral
rank 3 font is gonna give me an extra 400
bleak spoke
The prepull font
tropic ocean
on ma even without bote, mut>rup>mut>garrote seems superior than g mut r in opener
lean coral
its not that insane
tropic ocean
at least what I saw from logs
lean coral
wait wrong essence
bleak spoke
Yeah that was already suspect at the end of last tier aug
lean coral
was thinking life force
bleak spoke
I opened like that on stormwall reclears sometimes
tropic ocean
which makes sense since critting on mutilates >> using garrote rup in crit window
onyx hedge
What crit are you holding @fallow otter i think mine is to low that is why im simming higher subterfuge
fallow otter
@onyx hedge hi5 bro π yeh we wiped unnat 3% couldve had mythic possibly
bleak spoke
Yeah cuz the strength of opening garrote is very much tied to e regen I think
onyx hedge
@fallow otter rip
tropic ocean
which with essence you dont really need anymore y
bleak spoke
Especially with lust on pull
onyx hedge
What are you simming single tar @tropic ocean
tropic ocean
36,5k
bleak spoke
37.4 without a single benthic piece lmao
onyx hedge
Right now im 24% crit 19% haste 42% mast 4% vers prob why MA is simming less for me than subter
bleak spoke
That is many haste
onyx hedge
Had the flu last few days so aint been able to play and fell behind
Character is a mess right now
fallow otter
@onyx hedge 28% on the bliz website not sure whether thats gear or character total tho, im @ work rip
bleak spoke
inkpod pog
fallow otter
heroic font+coral is +1.3k for me
solid nova
Got last benthic piece last night, hands/wrists/boots/belt with socket done, just need to upgrade the shits
fallow otter
im guessing this is bigger with blood
solid nova
Tanked 9 ilvls 
lean coral
alts
solid nova
^
kindred skiff
Rather - not a single -correct- socket item
lean coral
my many alts are the reason i have my sockets
solid nova
Hands came from a random wq
onyx hedge
^ i have 8 alts farming pearls for my rogue still only 2 good benthic peices...
solid nova
Might be close to 40k sim when i finish the upgrades 
faint harness
gief inkpod