It says it want me to envenom before rupture? thats accurate?
#assassination
kindred cedar
mossy ferry
where does it say that?
dense axle
dunno where you see that
kindred cedar
At least thats how i read it lol
dense axle
here's a SS from your link:
kindred cedar
oooh
mossy ferry
rupture is your second gcd
kindred cedar
yeah now i found that special hidden thingy
mossy ferry
because presumably your mut got you 4
uneven summit
benthic back to shit?
dense axle
so Mut Mut Rupt Gar is non-crit
mossy ferry
^
dense axle
np man, good luck
kindred cedar
Cheers
strange python
Why they all use master assassin btw ? It's way better than subterfuge ?
fathom wyvern
whats the better prepot?
and does bload of the enemy sim less than it actually provides?
steady grotto
Unbridled fury I think
floral loom
any issue with using Cyclotronic Blast and Ashvane's Razor Coral together?
I see people doubling CB with an on use trinket which seems strange to me
dense axle
@floral loom Ashvanes is used with Vendetta, but CB is used when you have a lull in your energy, approx after Vendetta use + 12s or so
actually wait, +30s cause of the trinket CD
floral loom
got it, so because of that lull we can use two on use trinkets
dense axle
yup
floral loom
word
dense axle
well, because one is independent of Vendetta
floral loom
strange world we're living in
dense axle
haha
frozen karma
Got a 435 coral yesterday, felt good
dense axle
I got pants....to match the ilvl of th pants I had
dark crag
And i am sitting here with a font
dark crag
But feels so sad
uneven summit
Unbridled fury/agi pots+
frozen karma
You can use it before pull from what i've heard
floral loom
btw, use for ashvane's is: use on pull and then with second vendetta?
frozen karma
Yea
dense axle
every vendetta, yeah
frozen karma
Use on cd 
dense axle
heh
vernal fern
which is better between crit pot and agi pot for ST?
strange python
any of your tricks macros stopped working?
vast forum
rolled residuum shoulders, didn't get gorak tul 
tropic ocean
nope
vast forum
got tentacle-laced which is dd/np/gutripper tho 
shy axle
vast forum
yea
lone mirage
Hey guys , im strugelling at 26 k overall in m+ , any advice ? Have 30% crit 18 hast and 35 mastery
dense axle
@vast forum
im so jealous
my azerite is garbage. Did you roll for a 445 piece? How did you have the residuum already?
vast forum
saved 25k +
dense axle
wow, ok then
young meteor
@strange python yes it screwed up but then started working again. Was weird
dense axle
could be the tank had a blue card with neural silencer
dense axle
my stat weights right now are haste=crit=mastery > vers by a tiiiiny amount
slow mountain
any idea why raid bots tells me to use focusing resolve pot instead of unbridled fury? i am not using blood of the enemy essence
dense axle
yeah @slow mountain im seeing the same thing. I wonder if the sims changed enough for that
rigid mango
Are u using weekly instead of nightly?
slow mountain
no
desert vault
so this week 8/9s are 425 end of dungeon and 430 for 10+?
rigid mango
The one that sims the best
slow mountain
@rigid mango actualy yes, it changed for some reason, usually it stood to nightly
will sim again, tnx
rigid mango
Try w nightly
strange python
How much is too much haste for Assassination? And is there an optimal stat balance?
strange python
Had a feeling that rogue had quite a bit of flexibility with its stats.
rigid mango
Well, pre 8.2 vers was a bit off
Haste until haste was bad, rest was mast crit
Now everything's pmuch equal
Regardless, simming is always the answer.
strange python
Yes
I have 1540 haste atm
And almost 1000 crit
I could probably drop some haste for more mastery since mastery is 750ish.
rigid mango
You sim, and follow what it says 😄
strange python
Sim is god
slow mountain
did resim with nightly focusing resolve is still the way to go
strange python
I’m seeing a lot of rogues that aren’t using shrouded suffocation for raid.
rigid mango
Ss is good for cleave
strange python
Mostly seeing 2-3 DD and NP’s
desert vault
guessing that belt from Azshara isn't so great compared to the benthic one? 800 cirt split between allies, that's like 40 crit each in a raid ...
strange python
Haha that guy got carried lol
rigid mango
@desert vault depends on how many people are using it, not simming yet though since it's hard to pinpoint
desert vault
oh that's true, I guess if you stack a couple of them ... didn't think about that
strange python
Just MAKE everyone use that belt. Make a raid group and require that belt for invite 🙂
desert vault
noice!
strange python
Aotc belt group
shell lodge
is it worth to use memory of lucid dreams in minor ? or just trust the sim and put there what it wants me to put
rigid mango
What does sim say
strange python
Sim is god
fallow estuary
Which pots are the best since crit nerf?
rigid mango
Fury
rigid mango
A while back, yeah
shell lodge
strange python
Dang
rigid mango
Yeah, iris minor is giga
shell lodge
dayum, my rotation is proably pretty fcked up with those.
strange python
anyone know of any no channeling macros that work with elvui?
lone junco
I guess if you dont need E, you dont need to bother with early garrote.
verbal holly
!stats
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Stat weights:
Single target: haste > crit > mastery > vers
Multi target: crit > vers => mastery > haste
Note: Simming will always result in more accurate results.
fathom wyvern
how trustable are the sims now?
ran this sim like 5 times and only once it said a 20 ilvl weapon without socket is an increase
also, wrong essences in that sim
mossy ferry
I mean, your off-hand is like a stat stick, and the socket gives it a lot more stats.
rapid aurora
ok guys i kinda need some help i dont understand wtf is happening with my rogue
rigid mango
Sup
lone junco
smol crit.
rapid aurora
man im loosing so much dps
verbal holly
mutilate
sturdy dust
The safer rotation is Vanish -> Toxic Blade -> Envenom -> Mutilate
And hopefully all 3 crit
Try to have your base crit around 30%
rapid aurora
everyone's almost top dps with that talent im when im using it im droping to last
glacial mist
isn't it vendetta-vanish-tb?
lone junco
guarantee thats not your only problem.
sturdy dust
Yeah, it is
lone junco
post a log if you need a review.
rigid mango
^
rapid aurora
im at 25% crit
rapid aurora
i didnt log any fight yesterday that i was using that build because i just cant play it
lone junco
positioning and timing and rotation and phases and lust timing and prepot and . . .
all the things matter.
verbal holly
is 44% mastery bad?
honest heath
is coral + ink better than coral + cyclo blast ?
lone junco
if you meet your sim average dps, you did fine with shitty gear.
if you did half of your sim avg, then you are playing bad.
shell lodge
well, thats, interesting opener.
solar quarry
I have coral and ink 430 and they sim higher then cylcon
lone junco
@shell lodge good luck with raw DD procs on the first 2 mut
sturdy dust
That's a standard opener, do you run something different?
shell lodge
well it told me to change talents from Subterfuge to MAster Assassin, and essences aswell so this happend
lone junco
the haste procs vs real haste will be an interesting balance.
dense axle
yes the opener changed with MA
sturdy dust
Lot of new information to assess, I'm enjoying it on the whole
lone junco
looks fun.
sturdy dust
I didn't love the idea of the essences initially but it makes playing a bit more fun
shell lodge
started playing Rogue like one month ago, or a bit more. So im not sure if i should be happy or not Noobe.
lone junco
I wonder if the Mut Env Mut will scale better than the mut Rupture Mut.
probably depends on lucid minor refunds to get you through the vendetta vanish round.
sturdy dust
Rupture gives you passive energy regen and obviously gets the damage ticking sooner
dense axle
damage
celest swan
font of pwoer breask stealth only i raid?
dense axle
lol
sturdy dust
Plus if you open Mut Envenom Mut, it delays your Vendetta and Vanish a few seconds
lone junco
on the crit.
celest swan
like wtf i could cast it in great seal without dropping stelaht and now prpeull i break stealth?
dense axle
you end up using Env very shortly into the vendetta burst
hollow stone
This new opener is gross. Prove me wrong
mossy ferry
@celest swan AFAIK it breaks stealth if you spec MA, but not if you spec Subt
lone junco
just feeel that the second mut in first MA would proc more DD crits on average than the current. and also could just garrote rupture mut (mut) vanish TB
idc really. logs will find the way.
celest swan
so i specc ma casue fuck it? 😄
lone junco
big eggplant prophets.
celest swan
but yeah i was sub open world and skilled ma now
hollow stone
M e m would be even grosser, pally disc is that way, @lone junco ❤️
lone junco
I feeeel that a few procs of lucid minor is better than the ruptre anyway.
probably true.
mossy ferry
I don't always proc Lucid minor, but when I do it's during Lucid major!
shell lodge
i wonder why it tells me to use rupture straiht away after first multi, licke, got lucky with combo points or just spend it on 3-4
verbal holly
is Lucid mayor and iris minor ok for essences?
lone junco
rupture doesnt need 4/5. to tick E
mossy ferry
Because with MA you probably crit and got 4cp Mut
hollow stone
M r m or m m r depending on whether you get 2 cp or 3+ on first m
lone junco
and the duration of 2cp Rupture is probably fine to get you out of the TB
shell lodge
yep
mossy ferry
2cp mut in MA is extra feelsbad
hollow stone
2cp rupt is 12 sec i think so that'd be super tight for the first tb window
Probably better to m again before rupt in opener if you 2cp the first m
But idk
hollow stone
Afaik, rupt (per use) is still more dmg than an env
lone junco
^65k vs 43k
mossy ferry
What boss is that with a 125k opener?
tulip tide
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lone junco
@mossy ferry first boss mythic log
@hollow stone I wasnt that wrong
look at the E capping
hollow stone
Its gross, i tells ya, gross!
lone junco
early rupture probably not necessary. Could just vendetta earlier.
and the Mut on Env on MA, is there.
hollow stone
Tbf, that would prob lead to more E capping
mossy ferry
Damn I was top in my raid on that boss, but your log is insane
hollow stone
I am a fan of the idea of getting env up asap for better chance at dd proc/crit with that 3rd MA gcd. But its still gross
lone junco
Ok. Crit the first mut, into env. for Mut /dd.
Whiff the first mut, into rupture cause you wont get a 4cp env.
cause if you Mut Mut Env, you lost the DD, but the env crits.
hollow stone
Keep in mind, that also delays first tb and first vend by at least 1, probably 1-3 gcds
lone junco
not if you dont rupture until after tb drops cause you have enough E to make it through.
anyway. look to the logs. !
hollow stone
But then youre losing potential dps if rupt dmg per cast > env dmg per cast in tb window
hollow stone
He made a mistake tho
hollow stone
Ez
lone junco
150k is big
scarlet sequoia
blood of the enemy
lone junco
his first rupture parried so i take that back
mossy ferry
guess i need to get off my ass and get bote then
hidden plinth
what is our highest simming pre pot ?
ashen oriole
apparently lucid dreams r1 sims over blood of the enemy rank 1 ... will i just keep in on cooldown outside of vendetta?
lone junco
looking good DD
hardy mural
method just killed ashvane ggs
lone junco
force multipler on vendetta with a crit.
spiral escarp
Has something changed with raidbots this afternoon. I don’t see any updates in tc-update channel. Or did I do something wrong here cause I suddenly sim 4k more than few hours ago?
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vAffJkzMW8RQUiFG5pcnKe
Also now subyerfuge + SS sims best and before it was Ma with DD traits.
rigid mango
You're simming dungeonslice
spiral escarp
Oh haha rip 😃
rigid mango
subtle tundra
how hard is to change the playstyle to the one without SS? the one with MA
rigid mango
Not very.
vital haven
so what is the new ma opener?
subtle tundra
seems like everyone is playing it
spiral escarp
I hate not getting those sweet 3CPs, but you get used to it.
vital haven
that i keep hearing about
dense axle
Mutilate > Mutilate > Rupture > Garrote -> Vendetta + On Uses > Vanish > Toxic Blade > Mut > Env> Mut
dense axle
you seem shit <3
subtle tundra
thx
rigid mango
You don't need the energy reg at that point
dense axle
it's actually not bad in practice
subtle tundra
and with blood of the enemy?
pulsar torrent
@spiral escarp ye, its been simming way better SS+ Subt for me instead DD+MA 8( and im been kinda confused xd
subtle tundra
when do you use it?
dense axle
it's different with bote
subtle tundra
oh
vital haven
whats the bote opener
dense axle
it's been changing, and since I dont have bote, I dont pay attention
vital haven
i have bote rank 3
i just go garrote>mutilate>rupture>vendetta>mutilate>tb>bote>vanish
vast forum
unbridled fury still best ST pot, right?
subtle tundra
where can i find these
dense axle
@vital haven that seems wrong because TB time is wasted with Bote
hollow stone
Tb before bote seems wrong but ive been out
ashen oriole
can someone tell me when to use the lucid dreams essence :D?
vital haven
well i wanna get as many 25% crit dmg envenoms crit as possible
untold current
I have been using bote before vanish
dense axle
^
hollow stone
In cornholi's def, with that, you could still fit 4 envs in that tb window with hella luck
So its not like you lose a tb'd env
vital haven
i mean thats why im asking whats the best opener lmao
dense axle
Uchi has it right I think youre supposed to use it before vanish. Dont know about before/after vend
hollow stone
You lose a m which can proc dd. not sure if thats a worthwhile trade off but could see both in a feelycraft sense
high crypt
dungeon slice
pseudo burrow
If you have BotE rank 3, is it worth to use it just with your cyclonic blast trinket
or is it better to use with vendetta+tb
limber dew
hows the Pyrite Infuser comparing to other 415 trinkets?
hollow stone
Unless that trinket is unique, trinkets dont gain from abilities so using bote for cyclo would be a terrible choice
untold current
I think the all sti says to use cyclo outside of ven ,TV and under 70 energy
dense axle
the trinket is unaffected by BOTE, so use the trinket during down time @pseudo burrow
DO NOT use it during vendetta eithger
hollow stone
There you go
untold current
RIP my spelling on phone
ripe hinge
new stat priority? i sim better with more crit and mastery then haste
limber dew
@ripe hinge are you using lucid dreams?
dense axle
@untold current if your STI's are talking you got problems man :P
ripe hinge
yup
pseudo burrow
I meant BotE under vendetta+tb not trinket @dense axle 😄
limber dew
thats why mate, the energy gain on it means during those windows your dont benefit from haste as much
so mastery crit during that window is superior at present
may change if you major blood and minor lucid
dense axle
I vaguely recall it goes something like Vend Bote Vanish TB etc
cause Vend will last longest, BOTE next, then TB after vanish for the MA window
ripe hinge
oooook makes sense thank you
dense axle
im doing a sim, I wanna see what it says the rotation should be
untold current
@dense axle Fr
dense axle
omg I take it back
scarlet sequoia
if you play MA you have 100% crit chance during that anyways
dense axle
mighty elm
imagine gettin wrist and boots from your mythic run
dense axle
vend TB into bote vanish
crisp steppe
and from ur m+ cache
dense axle
lol rise
crisp steppe
amber sun
did they fix the interaction between tb and inkpod already?
mighty elm
broke that 41k sim with razor coral tho
dense axle
nice man
fringe lily
can anyone point me in the direction of the dungeonslice option on raidbots please? or is it a premium option only?
crisp steppe
36.5k sim 
dense axle
@fringe lily
stable yarrow
@fringe lily
dense axle
his SS is clearer :P
stable yarrow
uwu
fringe lily
hmm, i don't seem to have that drop down
dense axle
show advanced options
dense axle
:P
dense axle
we've all been there man, happy simming
fringe lily
thanks
fringe lily
it's a learning day all round 😄
ionic flume
yo does the punchcard trinket sim work for rogue?
415 Dribbling Inkpod sims better than 415 punchcard trink with 1k haste proc
slate osprey
Y'all use razorcoral with every vendetta, or wait for it to get the full 20 stacks before using it with vendetta?
last mortar
use it with vendetta
distant lava
Your pfp doesnt really fit
slate osprey
@last mortar right, but every vendetta regardless of stacks?
dense axle
yes
smoky bluff
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vernal fern
hey, i just got the gloves that give regen on crit with socket, worth upgrading or not ? I already have boots and waist. Or should I roll for wrists?
(benthicc that is)
dense axle
vernal fern
says nothing about gloves but i guess means they are shit
rigid mango
Pretty meh afaik
strange python
bug ? using it with stealth or without ?
rigid mango
It's a bug that pulls you out of stealth
dense axle
with stealth
strange python
just before raid nice
strange python
prepot too
mossy ferry
it doesnt break stealth if you spec subterfuge though 🍝
strange python
dunno why i have this bug now
dense axle
@strange python it's because you just switched to MA
Mryx says it doesnt happen with Subterfuge. Thats such a crazy interaction
mossy ferry
That's what was reported earlier
sour wasp
guys, maybe this was explained before but how can i check the sims rotation on raid bots?went into full html report but im stuck
vernal fern
quick question, with SS and subterfuge, i need to wait the second Vendetta to sync with vanish?
tall narwhal
@vernal fern that was supposed to be my next question :D
dense axle
@sour wasp make sure Detailed Report is on before you Quick Sim, and then scroll down to the bottom of the quick sim result
timber meadow
just lookin through sick legend logs and was curious if someone could explain why lucid is used on pull here @marble hemlock
timber meadow
oh that could be right - this guy is super good so i just was curious if i was missing something
dense axle
honestly Lucid major isnt that much of a boost to damage, it just lets you get more stuff into your vendetta window
dense axle
so before vs after is meh as long as he isnt energy capping
rigid mango
Literally on the right bar there 👀
plucky ether
Why are we targeting the 2% belt over the dmg/threat belt? seems Vims would be better overall.
cinder relic
i know this is a mythic+ but cna someone tell me if im not using an ablity enough or something
timber meadow
oh my buddy linked me these logs - didn't know he 's in this discord lol
cinder relic
spiral blade
Has there been a sheet or anything where we can see just how much better benthic is compared to like a 445 same secondaries?
dense axle
spiral blade
that wasn't the question, was wondering there was a static sheet that was pre-made already to view them all at once in a glance over
stable pine
Feel free to make one 😃
spiral blade
😉 Ill see what I can do
dense axle
yeah, I'd love to see it :D
spiral blade
Probably a weekend plan XD
dense axle
I want to know if I can ignore benthic crap or if I need to keep grinding. If it's like .5% then im ignoring it
spiral blade
what prompted my inquiry: Obviously watch race to WF. Their top dps was 'Swagstép' who utterly rekt'd the other rogues and is rocking all 4 leather Benthic non-az pieces..
I would certainly like to disprove how amazing they are because would be a effin nightmare to grind them all up to 420 w/ socket like Swagstép
(Method - Lady ashvane is the fight I am referencing)
dense axle
most people have been tryign to do that around here
he could have just gotten some good poison bombs
spiral blade
seems like no one has pulled the trigger for the maths/siim yet.
spiral blade
That would be the math I am referencing.
rigid mango
This isn't legion, PB RNG isnt't the thing that'll do that
modest zodiac
when is phial of the arcane torrents good ?
spiral blade
the difference in their other rogues dps was so massive, he woulda had to proc PB like 5 times more
buoyant kraken
is it possible to sim with an extra minor essence?
quartz depot
how do i font & coral
marble elm
Nobody made a sheet because they’re just better than anything that isn’t basically max titanforge with a socket
jovial dome
at how many stacks should you be using the the trinket Ashvane razor coral?
quartz depot
having both font and coral is what i meant
dense axle
junior hawk
Hey! May I ask what Major essence you are using? I can see some are using Focusing Iris, while other uses Blood of the Enemy and Lucid Dreams.
dense axle
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desert vault
What is a socket worth now? As in how many ilvl or gear with vs gear without
floral loom
depends on the gear. worth more on items with low stat values like rings, wrists, etc.
dense axle
Depends on your ilvl Elinkar, but Approx 10-15 ilvl according to my sims
floral loom
for me it's worth 25 on wrists
hearty junco
regarding dribbling inkpod trinket
desert vault
right, ok
hearty junco
anyone tried it out?
heard its possible to make it crit with master assassin
- blood
but dunno if the sim is making that happen
desert vault
I need to get some real trinkets, well have a 415 coral so far, but a little weird getting used to it
need to get the WA to track stacks, I try and remember to use it before casting Vendetta, have slipped a few times and cast after but w/e I guess
junior hawk
Crit or haste on rings? According to Wowhead its haste
dense axle
youre tellin me, I have the freakin alchemy trinket along with the mechagon trinket
Coral would be amazing
desert vault
how does that Engine of Mech Perfection work? Does that count as an essence I assume?
rigid mango
Orgozoa and zaqul
vivid loom
ok tyvm
untold current
@spiral blade what is the 4th piece of benthic swag is wearing? I thought there were 3 we wanted as sin
untold current
gloves it appears
spiral blade
Gloves are the only ones I farmed out tbh
radiant sorrel
Perfecto is using normal gear not benthic
desert vault
So what trinkets are best for m+ now? Dice/Glass and ...?
maybe that Arance Tempest thing?
desert vault
I understand Font ... weird about Coral ... mobs won't die too quickly?
strange python
struggling pushing past 1.7k best what azerite traits are u lot using? also what pvp talents ?
2s
placid dawn
go to the pvp channel
solemn meadow
Does anyone know why Azsharas Font of Power lets you stay in stealth in mythic +
but gets you out of stealth in raid?
velvet field
master assassin breaks stealth subterfuge doesnt
hoary apex
if my raid setup is 3 DD 3 NP, is Vision of perfection major worth it? Since it procs the DoT? or what essences should I run?
timber escarp
Hello. Is anyone Assassin which can help me on priv, because I thing interesting me?
How many ur dps go down during boss fight on right
because i start on 40k and drop on finish to 22 around this is normal?
past marten
it's normal to drop dps, as assassin has good burst
tulip tide
https://i.gyazo.com/687168ec48e00b6e02f29e17f0a79a4e.png
these aren't worth keeping, are they? 😦
brave halo
when taking damage
strange python
is there a guide on using the coral trinket
how do i use it affectively
or optimally i should say
dense sleet
what do u guys think how do i use the ashvane trinket if i have a lurkers ? :S
sour wasp
what does fluffy pillow mean in the raidbots ability log?
autumn slate
its the target
sour wasp
poor fluffy pillow:(
strange python
would anyone be kind enough to tell me the timings for when to use coral i just got it
i guess i use it on pull and then use it again for my second vendetta?
or is that completely off LUL
spring perch
Are the frost damage benthic gloves any good or only the bracers?
hollow stone
The gloves are good, but azshara gloves will be better
sand notch
what benthic gear should we be going for?
spring perch
Frost damage bracers, Aberration damage belt, and crit damage boots
smoky bluff
Check the pins, some post below the lastest pinned there is an FAQ with some answers
About the benthic and ashbanes trinket
echo jay
marble elm
It’s good
marble elm
If you get physical belt get the other pieces before you try to get the abnegation one
echo jay
Sorry skittles. Was meant for those above. Bad timing hitting enter on phone lol
marble elm
Abberition
ornate herald
It's okay. I reflexed.
ornate herald
Yeah I've got everything but the abberation belt socketed
marble elm
Keep rolling with alt pearls if you want but don’t spend your mains Pearls farming for the abberition omen
spring perch
So its probably not worth going for the physical belt or the cold damage gloves with my mains pearls then huh?
I already have the boots and bracers with sockets, jsut need to upgrade those
hollow junco
when you get the boots, then the bracers to 420 you may then get more value out of a benthic belt than increasing the ilvl of the existing pieces by 5
depends on your current belt
at the end of the day, benthic belt has good secondary stats and you're ideally going to have it with a socket, which alone makes it as valuable as a 430 or 435 unsocketed belt at least
otoh there's now plenty of opportunities for a 430+ socketed belt to drop for you in the raid and in mythic+, so up to you really ¯_(ツ)_/¯
spring perch
The aberration belt your talking about correct?
hollow junco
right.
spring perch
Alright thanks
stark yacht
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junior flume
Before a TB window, do you refresh bleeds even though they're "far" from pandemic break point? For example garrote at like 10 or so sec
wary ice
Thats a hard question to answer generically
tacit plinth
Is it? Preventing reapplying bleeds in TB windows is pretty important I thought
junior flume
Hehe yea, just looking for some input. I seem to run into the issue a lot, where timers aren't lining up very nicely. Bleed and TB wise
wary ice
My general rule of thumb is that if the bleeds will still be up for ~2 seconds after TB (for rupture, 1 for garrote) Iet them tick
marble elm
Go for the big gamble
wary ice
you dont need to refresh at 7.2/5.6 thats just when you can start without losing dps
marble elm
Envenom with 2s on rupture and hope for the crit
tacit plinth
right but if you see your bleeds aren't going to last through TB
what do
Think thats what they're asking
do you delay for the reapp
junior flume
Don't you just end up in a worse situation if you do that, cause of not hitting longer durations on bleeds
keen verge
that
wary ice
Though tbh
tacit plinth
then what happens if you energy starve half through your TB?
junior flume
Yea exactly
tacit plinth
now you've lost bleeds and half your TB window
hollow junco
tbh the answer to this whole dilemma is "get more resources" which means more gear with more haste and also the lucid minor
junior flume
Well you shouldn't lose bleeds
Well there has to be a play style that works better too, I mean in lucid window you can almost do as you want, you can't use up that energy
wary ice
I mean you can also refresh your bleeds ineffiicently earlier
junior flume
I just feel like I often end up with mismatched timers on bleeds and tb, so I was thinking I was doing something wrong
wary ice
Its not like the creeping duration of the bleeds is a sudden surprise
tacit plinth
Thats what they were asking
junior flume
Of course not, just wanted to try to find the best way to deal with it. Didn't feel like applying early was a super efficient way of dealing with it
wary ice
If you're running into that issue a lot i'd say you're probably not TBing on cooldown as much as you think you are
junior flume
Alright, was just curious to see if it was something others were dealing with as well. I'll just have to try to be less eager to apply right at the pandemic point and see how that works out 😃
Thanks for all the inputs 😃
autumn slate
Is wowanalyzer any good for assa?
wary ice
I actually use it for this exact conversation: counting how many cd's i miss
junior flume
Ah will try to have a look at that 😃
wary ice
Wow analyzer is a useful summary, imo, but it def doesnt replace reviewing your logs yourself / with someone knowledgable on the encounter
autumn slate
Idk how to review my own logs properly
golden plume
Hello ! was wondering how master assassin rotation changes from subterfurge (raiding with no ss) 😃
autumn slate
can someone help me learn how to that?
junior flume
I don't really know many good rogues that I can bother @wary ice, so I'm thankful for the help I can find here 😃
autumn slate
^same
granite meteor
is it ever correct to let garotte or rupture expire before reapplying? or am i safe to always reapply during pandemic
vapid scarab
Always reapply before it expires, doesn’t necessarily have to be in pandemic window
autumn slate
I never let it drop if the target is going to live the full duration of the dot
drifting hare
vapid scarab
I mean pretty sure the cut off for that is actually like 4s @autumn slate
ie. If the target will live at least 4s then it’s worth reapplying
vapid scarab
Jump is really useful
granite meteor
lots of EP bossess with minor knockbacks. jumping back into range all the time
wary ice
@granite meteor the only time I'd consider purposefully letting hem expire would be during SS/Sub and NS (if you're running NS for whatever reason) snapshots
chilly marsh
still didnt get the frost one with socket
strange python
if i'm running bote do i delay activating my coral till after the MA + bote phase
or just stack it all
pretty sure that's hella too much crit though LUL
wary ice
@drifting hare it doesnt matter which hand has which enchant
sick eagle
Hello, could someone help me with my logs?
placid dawn
same here man, ive done 500+ pearls on boots and nothing
small island
is there a set pattern on the overwhelming barrage from sivara?
vast forum
@solemn meadow i got the same one today
was sad it's not gorak, happy it's not any other
solemn meadow
ye
shell lodge
can someone sugget me an Assassination streamer, youtuber? so i can just have a better idea about how to play this spec? Energy reg kills me : P compared to outlaw
tropic ocean
shell lodge
thx
upbeat geode
blood major sims good for you?
solemn meadow
its bis if you play ma and have it on r3
blood / lucid is the best combo
till you have raid r3
fallow cypress
Is 3xSS/EB still the go-to build for M+?
crystal vessel
But what about if you play SS!
solemn meadow
its tyrannical
crystal vessel
For ST
fallow cypress
do you still play subterfuge and exsang?
stable plinth
You guys think the adds on orgoazana are close enough to be worth going TTK traits and DS
solemn meadow
no exsang
fallow cypress
sub yes, switch to TB?
solemn meadow
just subterfuge
fallow cypress
kk
wary ice
I mean if ur gunna play exsang u have to take sub; but exsang is almost definitely performing worse than TB for you regardless of content at this point
sterile chasm
I cant play assa without subtferuge any tips please? 😥
fallow cypress
read the guide and play MA lol
strange python
how does coral and inkpod interact with each other, would i delay things for 30%
fallow cypress
unless you have 3 SS i guess and no DD
sterile chasm
I was like 95 % perf before change now I suuuuck
scarlet sequoia
get good!
solemn meadow
I mean whats the problem
wary ice
^
solemn meadow
if you play BotE the spec gets alooooot easier
since so much of your dmg comes from your burst
then you drop off
so just dont fuck up the 15 seconds in your blood
and you gucchi
wary ice
does MA really change that much besides your opener?
wary ice
I mean from your rotation
wary ice
unless BOTE changed a lot its like the exact same thing
only now ur vanish and vendetta always line up
fallow cypress
the fuck is bote
wary ice
blood of the enemy
solemn meadow
ye but since alot of your damage is comprimised into a small timeframe
theres less room to fuck up
fallow cypress
ahh gotcha
wary ice
I guess
solemn meadow
is what I mean
sterile chasm
Can u send @solemn meadow your logs?
fallow cypress
bote major and lucid minor is the way to go now?
sterile chasm
But for m+ thia build sucks ye?
wary ice
I havent played with BotE personally yet
solemn meadow
are not updated yet
killed 2/3 bosses mythic and got some ez pareses
I like it alot more
than Lucid
ye MA in mythic +
is utter garbo
you dont really do dmg outsiide of bosses
wary ice
but i imagine between lucid minor and vendetta energy regen ur hardpressed to fuck up that window unless you get like mechanics or something
fallow cypress
is this ttk/eb build just a meme? i can't find info on it
wary ice
like the only ways i can think of is a) mechanics b) actually not knowing wat to do there
fallow cypress
for M+
wary ice
theres some trains of thoughts on it
solemn meadow
I love MA / Assa
wary ice
its not ameme
wary ice
if you're going M+ bog standard carry will be 3x SS 3x EB
TTK gives you some stronger ST / priority damage without losing too much in AoE
solemn meadow
like I said for tyrannical I would go with some NP/DD
wary ice
I did that last season tbh
solemn meadow
but thats just me
solemn meadow
I have 1ss 1eb and 2x dd 2x np
I use blood and lucid
and I dont do low aoe dmg
but I do good st too
I think Iris is better tho
solemn meadow
ye
wary ice
But your traits also depensd on like key level and how much of a bitch your tank is
@fallow cypress long story short m+ traits are some mix of SS EB TB; I could see maybe 1x NP just cause of beguiling, DD i think is questionable
SS => for cleave/st EB => aoe TB => prio/boss damage
your split will matter on a dungeon/comp basis
at least from an optimization pov
quasi pewter
scenic saffron
Can we use ashvane + queen azhsara trinket together ? If so how do we use it in the rotation
sudden trench
if you have both I dont want to talk to you
rapid token
what pvp talents do y'all use?
scenic saffron
A friend has them, I passed it on the roll 😦
sudden trench
oof
mossy geode
ahah Outlaw or Assa in mm+ 😃 xd
bronze kelp
scenic saffron
No answers ? 😦
cloud seal
Not many have probably 😮
sudden trench
i mean az trink is before pull
you you will just chan it again when its free and you have pooling time before the next Van combo
scenic saffron
So azshara before pull and ashvane when its available
crimson trellis
dark crag
got first boss mythic azerite and sim tells me 3dd 2ttk 1bbi is better, stupid itemlvl
oblique jackal
is undaunting tides good for raids?? i keep seeing it high on logs but everyone keeps telling me to not use it
reef axle
@scenic saffron yes, you want to use Font 5 seconds before pull, coral can come on CD to start building stacks. Atm I’m using az and cyclotronic trinket, they do decent damage once you learn the rotation
meager nebula
If the shield procs on tides it disables the damage component for 45 seconds
Probably not great for prog, but farm content sure
reef axle
I almost had both, but we go by loot council and I didn’t win the coral trinket 😦
jade fjord
I feel like my sim is REALLY low
do better traits really make that big of a difference?
I'm normally an outlaw player and I sim for basically the same amount patchwerk
Is there some thing that I'm like completely missing or something?
rigid mango
It's quite low yeah
meager nebula
Essences aren't rank 3, trinkets aren't super great for sin, traits matter a lot
rigid mango
And yeah, your shoulders are really bad
dawn root
Your also using weekly SimC profile. Don't know if that matters too much but I hear nightly is more accurate?
tidal sedge
are you supposed to TB before or after vendetta with NP
tropic ocean
@reef axle i use it 6-7 sec before pull
As somehow it unstealths me on some bosses
🤷🏿♂️
desert vault
@jade fjord You sim low cause you play outlaw! And you aren't as good as me anyways! 😄
jade fjord
F
desert vault
heh
hope you've been well, I will pop back in discord one of these nights to harass all of you more
keen spruce
Opi your shoulders are turbo ass
but yeah that's low
I'm siming at like mid 34k with a pretty good setup at like 422 ilvl
dawn root
same here
atomic saddle
Does anyone else feel like lucid major feels shit to use because of the delay?
rigid mango
Delay?
sand hornet
so im a huge nub how or where can i sim my rogue
solid nova
Raidbots
fringe epoch
anywhere to tell correct use of BoTE major?
tropic ocean
Its pretty much
Mut rup mut garr vendetta trinket tb bote vanish
Env mut env mut and so on
mighty elm
ok fuck this coral trinket, most awkward shit to use , especially when u got 2 on use trinkets
frigid briar
Azshara trinkets insane
mighty elm
dont have other ones yet so cant live that fully fucked up life yet
frigid briar
Id rather have raid trinkets than lurker
mighty elm
like with coral and bote im pretty sure im sittin at 125% crit % during my vendettas
dark crag
Tomorrow last 25k honor for r3 blood or waiting until next week r3 life?
Switched 410 lurkers for a 440 ink
wet zealot
Do i pre cast Azshara's Font of Power trinket on pull timer ?
dark crag
5 before pull and remember you also want to stealth
wet zealot
oh damn you are right, thanks ❤
arctic walrus
big brain sim
arctic walrus
12k honor left for rank 3 
mighty elm
POG
faint harness
is there some weird thing where the azshara trinket keeps you in stealth if you use subterfuge but not with MA?
arctic walrus
that's exactly how it works
arctic walrus
It' just how it's coded in the game pretty sure
supple monolith
So you guys farm blood of theh enemy with bgs?
arctic walrus
You can do a lot of things under stealth if you run sub
scarlet sequoia
no, world pvp is better
dark crag
Only honor from instanced pvp counts
supple monolith
So you bgs and arenas correct?
dark crag
Yes
supple monolith
So i have to spam fucking bgs?
supple monolith
Fuck
scarlet sequoia
how tf u gonna farm 50k honor outside of bgs rofl
supple monolith
Idk dude just bgs are not fun
dark crag
Thats why i am stuck at 25k, no time and no will
faint harness
Just enlist as the other faction and get 50% honor buff
And ask your guildies/friends to do it with you
strange python
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
lean coral
i assume best time to activate font is prepull
mighty elm
Get 15% honor flag aswell
faint harness
Yes
mighty elm
Guild battle standard
faint harness
And pop it when you're about to win
supple monolith
how you get this flag?
faint harness
Like we were winning at least 85% of our bgs and got from 700-1000 honor each depending on bg
Its not as grindy as youd think
shell lodge
strange, i have only like 18% haste, yet it still ltells me to boost crit which i have 26-27% or Versa 6%.
for patchwerk sim, so its ST
arctic walrus
26% is low crit so yeah
lean coral
im crit>mastery>haste atm
shell lodge
tho i have like 46% Mastery..
lean coral
yeah its telling you to get crit atm tho isnt it
shell lodge
yep, was just wondering.
solid ingot
Is blood of the enemy going to stay relevant as a major essence?
i figured people would stop using it once lucid lvl 3 and life force lvl3 came available
shell lodge
what about this essence from Eternal palace?
solid ingot
but im still seeing people running blood of the enemy as a major
lean coral
lucid major is too much energy
no one has r3 of raid one yet afaik
thats when it gets good
solid ingot
no they dont, but i assumed that when lvl 3 is available it will be used over blood of the enemy as a major
i guess i just dont have the time to do battlegrounds, so I need to decide to start them now or not
because its going to take quite a while to get there for me
shell lodge
essences for me sim like this. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7s96FvW3h1pmJwHFdGroTp Lucid kind of falls behind a bit
lean coral
ill do a sim with all rank 3 essences
shell lodge
pretty low dps as for 422 ilvl.. tho
balmy sentinel
if im at 4cp is it okay to press envenom or should i overcap the cp and mut first?
solid ingot
so rank 3 for the raid one should overtake it
lean coral
for me at least
lean coral
i feel like theyre gonna nerf it personally
solid ingot
yeah
lean coral
cause its like everyones bis
solid ingot
i thought about that too
lean coral
i got rank 3 blood during pvp week
i just did 10k honor a day and it was pretty simple
solid ingot
obviously i wasnt smart enough to do that 😅
lean coral
i was really hoping the achive would at least be account wide
but its not
and thats stupid
solid ingot
i know coral is the highest simming one atm
lean coral
outside of raid nothing has beat it for me yet
solid ingot
but ive just wondered what the optimal pair would be
solid ingot
they dont work together tho, right
solid ingot
im pretty sure youd be better off picking whichever one was best out of the two
lean coral
ima guess probs coral and inkpod
solid ingot
and then i just dont know what youd use along with it, like a harlans, mechagon trinket, or inkpod
short jacinth
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
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abstract island
any1 have a good WA for razor coil?
waxen vine
What is the best prepot atm?
carmine lynx
unbridled fury
waxen vine
in every scenario?
atomic saddle
Will coral+inkpod probably outvalue every other trinket combination due to its synergy?
civic palm
scenic nacelle
tfw no razor coral yet
strange python
Question....When using Ashvanes Coral, is it best to let the stacks build til vendetta /lucid is off cd or should you pop it conisitently on cd
scenic nacelle
Do we know if Cyclo sims properly on raidbots? It's saying 430 harlans with a socket is around 100dps better but we know cyclo pumps
meager nebula
it sims correctly yes
frozen karma
so the fury pot is the best one now right?
atomic saddle
When do you use Cyclo trinket of you run lucid?
meager nebula
meager nebula
yes
woven summit
Damn I simmed 1k higher by just replacing 1x NP with Treacherous Covenant
Who would've thought
rapid aurora
yea lucide r3 is coming tomorrow i need the pearls -.-
white basalt
can we cloak the frost/poison soak mechanic on my sivara?
hollow gyro
at that ilvl u wanna be around 37-39k dps
white basalt
can we cloak it immediately or do we have to cloak it as it falls off
rapid aurora
yeah
severe bough
405 shoulders are shamefur dispray
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iPsgibS7sHkSEgPMRWLnQf
freshly simmed btw
rapid aurora
damn
kinda have some prob with rotation too so
used to play with garotte
and the talent
i just switched to master
severe bough
yeah that's probably why
if you're running blood
my reccomendation is to try and vanish right before using it
or 1 gcd after at worse
that's very noticeable when you get blood rank 3
because crit dmgh
rapid aurora
okok
cuz after the opening
im falling very low
prob around 25k ans 33k dps
and*
severe bough
that's mad low
rapid aurora
yeah
hollow gyro
what's your opener like
rapid aurora
garotte-mut-rup-mut-ev vendetta tb blood mut ev
severe bough
👀
rapid aurora
with the meca trink
solemn meadow
damn so close
we tried the hardmode no death run
but our priest fucked up at the dog 
white basalt
laser beam ok for za quul?
solemn meadow
why shouldnt it be ok?
white basalt
cause i dont recall how stacked the adds get