assassination

[proper venture]

Should crit or haste be the highest stat

[winter moss]

percentage wise mastery

but even that depends on traits, talents and power of will

[royal lantern]

get vers as your highest stat percentage wise

[fiery hazel]

Do we know how powerful the perfection essence is with 3x nothing personal? It is showing low on the sims and that is disappointing me!

[royal lantern]

random cd procs are not that great as you think

[fiery hazel]

I was hoping it would scale better with the stacked trait.

[umbral mauve]

What's the name of the benthic bracers ? The frost dmg one

[winter moss]

desyncing vanish and vendetta is not worth it nerdywarlord

[small crypt]

Im kinda confused right now: Many of the top assa rogue players stack crit as gems, food etc even though when i sim myself haste is my best stat by far. I know simming > general stat usage but feels like im missing something. Is crit the new way to go?

[rigid mango]

No, simming is

People sim diff and use it accordingly

do so yourself too

[winter moss]

just everytime

unless you can recreate the exact circumstances the "top rogue" is playing in

[small crypt]

yeye i know but pretty weird to see that suddenly change

[rigid mango]

It's not

With how stats are atm

[chilly dagger]

Tbh if haste isnt that much better than crit, i'll always go crit

[rigid mango]

Seeing people use diff than you shouldn't be weird

[cobalt pelican]

stats are close enough that if the sim difference is negligible people will gem crit just to not have to change for m+

[rigid mango]

The diff stats are so close

Aye

I just gem crit n mastery because I'm lazy

and the diff is 2 digit

[chilly dagger]

And it just look better if you see big number with crit or mastery stacked, than you can use 1 more multitate in whole fight or garrote will proc 1 more time

[upbeat geode]

ive seen people change essence and re-gem just for ashara

so if you see people gem haste its probably just for that boss since they cant run lucid there

[quaint sequoia]

Cant run lucid there, why?

[small crypt]

some boss timings just dont really pair with lucid

[upbeat geode]

many guild force you to run focusing iris

[chilly dagger]

What? Why?

[upbeat geode]

so you have 12 dps just all iris the adds in p2 and you can get right back on the boss

[small crypt]

and if there too many active adds to generate ressource from lucid isnt needed

[quaint sequoia]

I see, seems legit

[upbeat geode]

https://t.co/NI8qZezyLP

so if you cannot run lucid on queen, you might wanna resim and check if haste become better gems for you on that fight

[visual mesa]

hey bois, which benthic pieces should i aim for?

[hollow flicker]

Hey so I'm back from before 8.1, is the shroudnof suffocation bug fixed or can I still not put any additional garrotes on until all the SS expire?

[wheat seal]

What Essence should I use if i can only use One?

[royal lantern]

the bug is fixed for ages now

only my grandchildren remember it

[solid nova]

@hollow flicker It was fixed on October 3rd 2018.

[upbeat geode]

!essences

[rigid mango]

@wheat seal odds are lucid

[ember rover]

12 DPS is way overkill.

@upbeat geode

Our raid had 3 people with Iris.

That nuked the adds.

[cobalt pelican]

yea idk we had like 12 as well and it felt like mine was basically useless

[upbeat geode]

was 3 really enough? imma suggest to lower it then tonight, thanks

[ember rover]

Yea, we had 3 people and they adds melted.

[upbeat geode]

how big was your group?

[ember rover]

24

[silver musk]

is frost hands usable?

[marble elm]

Yes

[zenith hatch]

Guys so i have socket on wrists but with phys dmg haste/versa i guess its still big upgrade from haste/mastery with socket 410

[upbeat geode]

it could be an upgrade, but its a big pearl investment to upgrade it. do you want to spend your pearls on a small upgrade or go for a bigger is the question

[stable oxide]

Why does the Vendetta cooldown reduction Essence sim so low?

[zenith hatch]

well i alrady have them on same ilvl

[stable oxide]

Does it not activate the Nothing Personal poison?

[stuck knoll]

It does

Just NP doesn’t do enough

Because you can’t control the proc

[lean thorn]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[stuck knoll]

So it might just come while your pooling

[stable oxide]

Shoudn't that Essence be insanely good with 3 NP?

[stuck knoll]

And the minor does basically nothing

[sullen sphinx]

The NP dot scales

With the application

So it isn’t the full duration dot

[stable oxide]

Oh

[stuck knoll]

Well no cuz there are essences that just do more damage

[marble elm]

It’s only 3 seconds

[upbeat geode]

you dont really want ventetta cooldown reduction since that misalignes it with vanish

[marble elm]

If it was full duration it probablt would be really good

[stable oxide]

I thought it would be full duration

[marble elm]

It was on ptr

[sullen sphinx]

Can’t be having too much fun

[marble elm]

I used it on ptr with 3 np and np was like 30% of my damage

[stuck knoll]

I don’t think it was fun

A random damage proc you couldn’t control but did a lot of damage

Seems boring as fuck

[sullen sphinx]

Only not boring one is BOTE

[royal lantern]

vision is cool for classes like paladin

but for us its...pretty medicore right now 🤷

still try too get it too rank3, you never know if MAYBE something changes and its bis now

[tropic ocean]

@marble elm it was nerfed several times since ptr iirc

[solemn meadow]

yo

[marble elm]

Yea it’s not good anymore

[solemn meadow]

Do we now know how to use Azshara?

on pull or lurker?

[marble elm]

Channel it at 5

Stealth pot

[solemn meadow]

I mean if I want to use lurker or azshara at pull

if I use both

[arctic walrus]

Is lurker/azshara really your best combo though?

[solemn meadow]

yes

[frigid briar]

Double on use seems pretty strong rn according to sims

[storm forum]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[keen verge]

and what about Cyclotronic Blast 🤔 , + azshara

?

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/unE8wjGPKQJgcze8e8zbtc

azhsara obviously first

azshara*

like with lurkers use blast once your tb window ends and you starve for energy

azshara*

[honest needle]

should we pool at all or can we spam finishers at any energy

[scarlet sequoia]

try to get 2 envenoms into elaborate planning tbh before youre out of energy

dont just spam

[honest needle]

so pool a little before every finisher right

[keen verge]

jeez, ill try to get lurker asap then

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah pretty much @honest needle

[honest needle]

do u guys use a elaborate plann weakaura ?

[sturdy dust]

You think they'll nerf Focusin Iris because of it's effectiveness in M+?

[crystal vault]

someone knows how much haste is 1%?

[sturdy dust]

Focusing*, even.

[crystal vault]

uhm crit

[ripe nimbus]

It's literally the essence that was designed and awarded by M+ why would they nerf it

[royal lantern]

eh, maybe not nerf it but give us a reason too use the other aoe essence stuff

[lunar pelican]

what is the go-to pot?

[royal lantern]

feels kinda wasted when there are 2-3 aoe based essences but iris is just SO MUCH better

[solemn meadow]

@lunar pelican fury

[lunar pelican]

danke

[honest needle]

also when is best time to use lucid when first tb expires right ?

[tropic ocean]

when you starve energy

mostly inside of vendetta window if its 1 target fight

[keen verge]

@lunar pelican the fire one

[honest needle]

also if im not running any ss i would put both dots on 1 target then move to the next right

if there are 3 or more

if im not using any ss traits

[hollow moth]

If BFA followed the RPGness of Classic, assass rogues would be fucked in mechagon lol

kinda like fire mages in MC

[winter moss]

🆗

[ripe nimbus]

There not complete robots there cyborgs they still bleed

[lone junco]

Robots bleed oil.

[hollow moth]

partial resist life

[lone junco]

stab them in their tubes.

[hollow moth]

cut the wires

[upbeat geode]

poision the tubes?

[lone junco]

I really do miss resist gear. does mythic progression require avoidance or high vers for defensive reasons?

[stuck knoll]

Nope

[lone junco]

miss is the wrong word, but I love glass cannon design. Too strong you get gibbed.

[upbeat geode]

nothing is required, but its all nice to have

[hollow moth]

We dont even have the resist levels on our character pane anymore

[honest needle]

for raiding do u guys ever sacrifice 1 piece of azerite gear to use atleast 1 ss over dd and NP ? for some fights with adds ? if so which piece ?

[lone junco]

RIP defensive stats.

I do wish Scent tabbed out vers instead of AGI.

gimme 8x verse stacks. k thx

[upbeat geode]

yes i often respec to ss on muti target

[arctic walrus]

With azshara/lurkers I just feel like you'd desync one or the other and won't be as effective

[honest needle]

how many ss do u add for raid

for cleave fights

and which trait do u replace ss with NP or dd ?

[lone junco]

I ran 3dd 1ss 1np +1. with subterfuge where it worked out/.

[arctic walrus]

But if the sim says so then so be it

[lone junco]

cause the vanish GGG is my bae.

but that Condensed life peak is somethign else.

[upbeat geode]

@honest needle i only replace one, cuz i have 1. im not sure how you would want to balance this

[honest needle]

If there are 2 targets and im not using any ss traits should i just focus 1 or do i dot 1 up first then move to the next ?

[lone junco]

looking forward to sin back at the top tier for single.

[ripe nimbus]

I'm prob gonna use inkpod and coral. Inkpod is affected by TB it's amazing

I'm not sure if it's simming with TB affecting it but from my testing and log checking it definitely is affected by TB

[ember rover]

Wait, TB increased inkpod dmg?

When it procs under 30%?

[honest needle]

any tips u guys can give me for raid on fights that have adds if iim not using any ss traits if im using 3 dd and 3 NP ?

[ripe nimbus]

Yes

[honest needle]

cause right now i have 3 dd and 3 np and i dont have extra piece i cant keep reforging when we get to the next boss

[midnight yarrow]

Hey guys, when siming for single target DPS - do you still do 5 min patchworks? The boss fights in EP are all 6+ minutes. In fact, I'm getting 3 vendetta's off in some making it 8 min fights... wouldn't it be wiser to sim 8 min Patchwork?

[ripe nimbus]

Also inkpod can Crit

[teal fog]

should i macro ashvane coral to vendetta?

[honest heath]

what are the two best trinkets I can get in EP? inkpod and coral?

[arctic walrus]

Azshara coral

[ripe nimbus]

Prob azsharas and coral depending if inkpod is being summed right now with TB affecting it or not I have a feeling it's not atm

Simmed

[honest heath]

ah ok

currently debating whether to have 2 sets of sin gear (one for raid and m+)...or 1 set of sin for raid and 1 set of outlaw for m+...seems a lot more sin rogue appearing in raider.io

[ripe nimbus]

That's also depending if people can utilize double on use with out desyncing the trinkets so much they start losing casts of vendetta/trinkets and people don't play perfectly like sims so we will see

[strange python]

guys which trait is better for m+ aoe - HMC , blood siphon, unstable flames?

[midnight yarrow]

So no one is changing from 5 to 8 min for sim?

[stuck knoll]

Well it’s not about being super accurate to each individual fight it’s just about getting a baseline

[midnight yarrow]

but isnt a 5 min baseline bad for avg of 8 min fights?

wouldnt an 8 min baseline make more sense

[stuck knoll]

And as everyone does 5 minutes that’s the best to use to compare with other people

[midnight yarrow]

cuz at 5 min it wants me to stack mastery but at 8 it wants crit...

[stuck knoll]

Which of those 8 minute fights are patchwerk

[midnight yarrow]

we dont sim to compare... we sim to find the right gear/set

[cobalt pelican]

simming your exact fight length and conditions is ideal but unrealistic

[stuck knoll]

None of the fights come close to matching a sim regardless if you sim 5 or 8 minutes

[solid nova]

How many fights go over 8minutes unless your raid dps is low, aside from Azshara?

None

[rigid mango]

You just use sims to benchmark

not to get accurate dps each fight

[cobalt pelican]

on heroic they were all sub 5 mins for us except azshara and ashvane

and ashvane we like

fucked up

[solid nova]

Yup

[rigid mango]

idd

[midnight yarrow]

zaqul on heroic gets 3 vendettas

[rigid mango]

So 4 minutes?

[solid nova]

Not sure how that equates to 8 minutes

[rigid mango]

[midnight yarrow]

6

[rigid mango]

?????

[midnight yarrow]

its a 2 in cd

min

[stuck knoll]

That’s 4 vendettas

[rigid mango]

[stuck knoll]

Start 2 4 6

Albeit you don’t get a full one

[neon sedge]

What azerite are you using for those aoe fights

[empty badge]

Is unbritled fury better than crit pot now?

[rigid mango]

Aoe fights as in?

@empty badge yes

[midnight yarrow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/a3LbXPznQtUFqduixyfJZL

[neon sedge]

Zaqual

[cobalt pelican]

i don't touch the ads on zaqul like

ever

[rigid mango]

Zaqul's an aoe fight?

[empty badge]

Gar Mut Rupt Vend Vanish TB Mut Env BotE Mut Env is this still the opener with that potiont hen?

[rigid mango]

[cobalt pelican]

even if i wanted to (i don't) the spriests would start screeeing at me

[midnight yarrow]

there are adds but they die passively... dont really target them at all

[rigid mango]

if you wanna log

You can go SS and EB

[neon sedge]

What about the jellyfish

[rigid mango]

and FULL pad

[neon sedge]

He’s got some cleave

[rigid mango]

Super ST fight

[neon sedge]

K

[rigid mango]

You don't need to cleave

[neon sedge]

Well mythic I assume those will not be going down that fast

[midnight yarrow]

No, I'm not looking to pad. I'm trying to understand what the best settings for simulating are. 5 min or higher, because the fights last longer these days.. I understand the point of setting a baseline, but that baseline is quite different based on the time of the fight.

[frail gate]

Razor coral jumped to to higher sim dps than azshara's on bloodmallet?

[cobalt pelican]

if you know your fight length exactly and you're on a prog boss

simming that fight length will be better

[ripe nimbus]

Coral is really good

[cobalt pelican]

but it will still not be perfect

[frail gate]

How does coral work essentially?

[cobalt pelican]

5mins is the baseline sim because most fights are +/- a bit from that

8 mins is not a normal fight

[vestal wren]

i usually use 6 mins

[midnight yarrow]

from what im reading is that if you set it to 5, it will sim some at 4 and some at 6 to build an avg

[polar forge]

I mean if u want to compare with others there needs to b a constant variable which we all use as fight length 5 mins

[open blade]

hello, what about benethic boots are they bis atm with socket?

[vestal wren]

yes

[tribal marlin]

mostly all benthic item doing damage are bis atm

with socket

[open blade]

any1 know how much higher vs 440 boots?

[vestal wren]

socket value is overall very high

[midnight yarrow]

Ok, I think the consensus is to just stick to 5 minutes and dps harder 😄

thanks

[vestal wren]

so even without the effect a 425 socket item is still quite good

[open blade]

if it isnt higher than 440 boots i wont waste pearls tho

[marble elm]

Probably is

[cobalt pelican]

just.. check

it takes like 2 seconds for your current gear to use gear compare

[marble elm]

Unless 440 is also socketed

[vestal wren]

benthic even without socket sims higher usually

[cobalt pelican]

and you can use the profile if you want to see on average tier gear

[vestal wren]

you can just look at the t24 profiles, they use the benchic non-socket pieces that sim higher then raid gear

(t24 sims on herodamage use that gear, so shouldnt be hard to find)

[neon sedge]

I got a coral last night that replaced my lurkers. Grabbed a weak aura for it but still trying to figure out how it works.

Sims really high though

[cobalt pelican]

it works like a normal trinket but you miss your first cast with first vendetta and get a last cast just before the boss dies to compensate

[frail gate]

Wait how does coral work

[chrome mirage]

Is the ravenholdt guide more accurate than the one Mystler has on wowhead?

[rigid mango]

Depends on what

Both have slight inaccuracies afaik

[pallid notch]

Optimal usage for Azshara’s Font if Power? Been using it 5 seconds before pull to have the full buff with pre-pot and then on CD during fights? Any thoughts

[marble hemlock]

precombat like you said, and then you just wanna use it before vendetta evrytime

dump your energy, end on a finisher, channel, reuse the energy you got during the channel on mutilate, and then the regular vendetta burst again

[upbeat hazel]

oooh it works precombat?

thats neat

[opal moat]

Hey guys, short question: Dribbling Inkpod hit at 30% life, does it profit from toxic blades nature dmg increase?
Thanks

[rigid mango]

It seems as if it does, but afaik it shouldn't

[ripe nimbus]

It shouldn't but from logs I've checked it defenity does

So we will see if they fix it because fun not allowed

I'm just wondering if it's simming with TB affecting it or not

[rigid mango]

I don't think it is

[ripe nimbus]

Maybe blizzard is reversing there stance on trinkets not being affected by things I hope so because trinkets became boring after they made that change

[rigid mango]

check the APL?

[ripe nimbus]

I'm on my phone :(

[rigid mango]

Ah

And I'm lazy

[ripe nimbus]

Oof

[rigid mango]

waits for someone else

[strong sorrel]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[ripe nimbus]

If it's not simming with TB affecting it. Once it does that trinket gonna be very good

If blizzard doesn't fix it

[rigid mango]

Yeah

Because afaik it shouldn't increase it

since TB works like MA and Vend iirc

[empty badge]

What is the optimal opener for single target?

[rigid mango]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid mango]

IN tehre

[empty badge]

tyty

[rigid mango]

but I've also seen the logs suggesting that it does

[ripe nimbus]

Doesn't MA affect condensed life force or why is there a sim with condensed and MA on hero damage

[rigid mango]

I don't know that either

I tried asking mystler about it

Because it shouldn't help it either afaik

Unless maybe essences count as rogue abilities now?

[ripe nimbus]

Well it doesn't affect any of the other ones

I know that

[rigid mango]

Yeah

But for some reason that fucking humongous spike is still a thing on herodamage

[empty badge]

Ok so I have a question

[rigid mango]

Shoot

[empty badge]

Situation : Vendetta/vanish has 15-20 seconds left on CD and TB just came off of CD. Do I wait and pool resouces or use TB then waste maybe 10 seconds of vendetta/vanish CD?

[rigid mango]

Unless you know the fight length is precise vend timer

aka 2.20/4.20/6.20m etc

[glad peak]

So i was having a look at bloodmallet and im sort of new to wow and rogue

[rigid mango]

You use tb

[glad peak]

Does one go for the top items or try to mix and match so that you get 3 traits of the same at least ?

[rigid mango]

and wait for vend to come up to use them together

[empty badge]

so like only if its going to make it so i can use a third vend

[rigid mango]

You never delay vend if you know you will miss one delaying it

@glad peak depends on what you're doing

[empty badge]

Yea h forsure

ok makese sense thank you zine

[full flame]

Any insight into the top m+ rogues using the highbourne compendium trinket at 400 ilvl? Is the aoe just so valuable the way they run m+?

[rigid mango]

They're not using it for m+

I don't think

[empty badge]

they arent

[rigid mango]

If you're looking at raider.io

It's shite

[empty badge]

i use the mechagon single target thing and then the mastery trinket from uunat

[rigid mango]

And doesn't update properly, they might be using it real world and yet raider.io thinks they used it in a +23

It's wack

[glad peak]

Zine when you say "depends on what you're doing" you mean if im doing m+ or raiding ?

[rigid mango]

It depends on what traits you're talking about

and yeah, that

[glad peak]

Well i've got a bunch of gear i'm not sure what the best would be really, rough out here 😛

[rigid mango]

[solid nova]

Raidbots, top gear

Would be best

[rare zephyr]

is there a way to sim food buffs? cause im unsure if i should use the raid feast or personal crit food according to my stat weight

[sand whale]

https://i.imgur.com/tsPdLlN.png

[calm bough]

Sorry if this has already been answered but when should Cyclotronic Blast be used?

[cosmic pier]

pins in #wow-general

[calm bough]

Awesome - thanks

[timber mauve]

is it better to spread pearls around or bump boots to 420 first?

[rigid mango]

I upgrade to 420 and then go for rest

[crystal heath]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[timber mauve]

ya i figured that was the way

thx

[cold rampart]

what is the best weapon enchant atm

for main and off

[fiery cradle]

[pliant wing]

Is there any azerith stuff bis list ? Or we just aim for the one on herodamage ?

[tame cobalt]

@pliant wing there is preferences depending on talents and content, but mostly its suggested you sim it. You can go by herodamage easly

[mighty elm]

@cold rampart force +

[pliant wing]

Ye but theres so many to sim, wanted to know wich dungeon or boss i need to roll on

im gonna aim the three on raidbot sim, and i'll see later i guess 😄

[woven summit]

When will we stop needing benthic gear?

[red plaza]

boots, until next patch for sure

[tame cobalt]

@woven summit when normal gear outsims it

[mighty elm]

8.3

[tame cobalt]

And boots in raid is pretty much bis until the end of raid

[red plaza]

2% damage belt also till the end of raid probably (only on the 2 abberation bosses ofc)

[woven summit]

OK so I should take my normal benthic gear 385 ilvl, update it and hope for a socket?

If it's not socket should I still wear it?

[red plaza]

no when you upgrade it doesnt socket

[woven summit]

Aha

Thats a very good info thanks LiG

So should I update non socketed gear?

And what do I need belt and boots?

[mighty elm]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/howxppWdVx7PuuRRKhHBc1

WE REALLY OUT HERE

[quasi pewter]

get out with that dagger

[red plaza]

best way, if you have alts, is to do the introductory nazjatar quests which takes about an hour and you get 80 pearls. Then spend them on boots/belt benethic gear and send them to you main. Use your main's pearls to upgrade them

[mighty elm]

[quasi pewter]

i have 1 piece from new raid and it a 415 ring with socket

perso loot btw

[red plaza]

those rings tho Rise

[mighty elm]

rings are pog

Saryero only thing ive looted myself this patch sofar was the dagger

rest was traded to me

[simple meteor]

[woven summit]

So much different gear with effects and shit

[quasi pewter]

i lootet the shit azerite helm myself

so thats 2k residuum

[woven summit]

What happened to this game

Asmongold ruined the game by whining now Blizzard made it hard again

[quasi pewter]

[fiery cradle]

[muted cove]

Soo the crit benethic boots are only a 0.2% increase in dps for me should I still go for them or go for the 440 LW boots?

[mighty elm]

at what ilvl 0.2%?

[quasi pewter]

with socket?

[rigid mango]

vs 440 with socket

[muted cove]

425 w/o socket

[rigid mango]

They should be close, yeah

[quasi pewter]

i meant benthic with socket

[rigid mango]

yeah well

[mighty elm]

without :/?

[rigid mango]

you need a socket

[mighty elm]

xd

[rigid mango]

[quasi pewter]

well no without socket you shouldnt upgrade

[rigid mango]

no reason to upgrade without

[red plaza]

craft the LW boots tho for sure. still need M+/pvp/non raid gear

[quasi pewter]

lw is really cheap anyway yea definitely craft those 2 pieces

[pine grove]

Outside of M+ TF shenanigans, our best trinkets look to be double on-use. How do I use them on pull with regards to them locking each other out? I've never had to use two on-use before so I don't quite know the optimal way to play with them.

[red plaza]

check the pins in #wow-general

[fiery hazel]

Which trinkets are you asking about?

[pine grove]

Sorry. Good point. Ashvane and Azshara, ultimately.

[rigid mango]

Not entirely sure they will be ebst yet

since both optimally wnat to be used with vendetta

and they can't

[fiery hazel]

you would probably use font prior to pull and coral after that

[rigid mango]

But you'd still want font for every other vendetta you're doing

otherwise why play font

[fiery hazel]

and trigger coral again after the next TB

use font for vendetta and coral for TB?

sync up things as you can

[rigid mango]

Don't think that's that good either

[fiery hazel]

so probably dont use both of them.

[rigid mango]

you're probably better off using a non-on use

[dense axle]

big crits on your boosted poison damage seems like a good strat

[rigid mango]

probably

but boosted crit damage during your entire vendetta seems ebtter

[warm cave]

@mighty elm my dude

[mighty elm]

[pine grove]

Yeah. I just don't have a whole lot of access to equip trinkets, as I don't do a whole lot of M+. I could just use the inkpod. Funny little thing anyway.

[rigid mango]

Seeing as how

the two best on use are both from the raid

I don't really know what you mean

[tribal marlin]

Coral still pretty decent on its own even without activating it

[pine grove]

I mean, I don't have a lot of access to trinkets that aren't on use.

[rigid mango]

[urban junco]

[tribal marlin]

I mean for subt and Outlaw they basically don't activate coral for a long period of time

[rigid mango]

It'll be interesting to see what happens

[fiery hazel]

Font is just gunna make our prepot timing more anxiety inducing.

twitchy hunters and all that

[crisp steppe]

Fuck hunters

[pine grove]

Actually, 430 Inkpod isn't looking terrible. Probably run that and Ashvane. Thanks for the talk.

[nimble tartan]

I’m pulling at 1 every time in protest

[arctic walrus]

Any new details about why Font spikes haste weight so much? Or are we just rolling with it

[urban junco]

Our boomies are more jittery than our hunters lol

it's annoying af

[fiery hazel]

you can get them a kindergarten book on how to count down from 10.

[pine grove]

We all know hunter can't read.

Not sure they know how to open a book.

[fiery hazel]

ha.

[crisp steppe]

@arctic walrus so you have energy for the last 10 seconds of it? No idea otherwise

[deft nymph]

are the pufferfish bracers close to the frost ones

i'm about done fishing for socket frost bracers but i got a pair of pufferfish ones

[nimble tartan]

Probably because of such a huge amp to agility and vendetta boost that the damage per energy spent spikes insanely during these windows so any energy gain from haste is hot value

[hollow stone]

Pufferfish ones will be better if theres any cleave

[tribal marlin]

on sims pufferfish are pretty close to frost. On logs I noticed frost being better

[hollow stone]

But frost ones will win pure st

[nimble tartan]

I’d only wear frost

[tribal marlin]

Pufferfish cleave's is split damage anyway

[hollow stone]

Is it?

[tribal marlin]

yes it is :/

[hollow stone]

I dont have a pair so havent tested. Whomp whomp

[tribal marlin]

Note that pufferfish tooltip show increase damage comparing to frost BUT

[nimble tartan]

That’s ok we won’t need any benthic

[tribal marlin]

it's physical damage and thus affecting by armor

[deft nymph]

are there any dummies in nazjatar?

[nimble tartan]

When it gets put to the ground

[pine grove]

How significant is the damage and threat gen proc from the belt? I got it with a socket, but I'm not sure how much it's worth. Obviously not as much as the targetted one vs. Aberrations, but I'm curious if it's worth the upgrade. I also don't want to draw aggro mid raid, so that's a factor.

[hollow stone]

Turnip in nazjatar. No dummies

The belt is quite good, and the threat isn't noticeable

[nimble tartan]

There is a dummy in nazjatar

The benthic vendor cause that system STOOPID

got his ass

[hollow stone]

Gotem

[tribal marlin]

Belt is good, around 1.7%+ of my overall dps

gloves were 1.5% on azshara

[pine grove]

Cheers. I may just upgrade that instead, then. Not as OP as boots or bracers, but stops me having to fish for another slot for a while.

[tribal marlin]

Pufferfish somehwere between 0.8 and 1.2%

[patent topaz]

I swear you used to be able to sim different potions on raidbots

[hollow stone]

Boots are lowest prio to upgrade but highest prio to get (imo)

[nimble tartan]

You can still there’s a drop down where you can select what potion you want to sim with

[maiden siren]

!ma

[hollow stone]

What omr said. And just do 2 or 3 sims side by side w the diff pots

[patent topaz]

yea but then id have to run the sim multiple times for different potions, guess ill just do that

[hollow stone]

Pick the one thats a bigger number

Ye

[patent topaz]

I got boots with socket + leech yesterday, finally

havent even done heroic because guild is pretty dead

dunno why I bother

[deft nymph]

get a new guild ldo

[autumn slate]

Uhh, question about consumeables

[hollow stone]

Did you sim?

[autumn slate]

Yes

unbridled fury is 400 higher than both Focussed resolve and superior agi

[carmine valve]

In general you wanna reapply bleeds before going into TB, but what if there are council bosses like 2 target bosses? would you prio keeping up bleeds on both target even if it ends up doing 1 less envenom in TB?

[hollow stone]

I wouldnt, other classes can cleave better. Just pump st

[carmine valve]

but u do it for energy right?

[patent topaz]

looks like unbridled fury is 300 dps higer for me

[hollow stone]

The energy isnt worth it

[patent topaz]

GRIZZLED
33,670 DPS pretty shit, not like it matters

[dusty crow]

and they are super cheap to make

unlike the flasks

[carmine valve]

Also another question, I prefer playing subterfuge instead of MA since I mostly do M+ and subterfuge keeps my crit at higher value, what traits should I aim for. The MA goes usually for 3x Deadly dose and 3x NP. Should I also go for that just put 1x SS instead of NP?

[tropic ocean]

for m+

[carmine valve]

no raids

[hollow stone]

You need to consider 3rd ring traits too. There isnt a cookie cutter answer, you need to sim. But if you are set in your ways with subt, 3dd, 1np, 1ss, 1 something sounds fine for st

[tropic ocean]

1-3eb, 1-3 ss 2-3 ttk

mix as you like

[carmine valve]

I want to know for raids with sub talent instead of MA

[hollow stone]

Subt and ma are close anyway

[tropic ocean]

oh in raid u probably want 1 ss

rest dd np/bbi/ttk

[hollow stone]

So you can subt without ss in full st raid gear

[tropic ocean]

depending on your gear

[hollow stone]

But it wont be optimal

[tropic ocean]

oncleave fight ss good anyway

[carmine valve]

bbi?

[tropic ocean]

blight borne infusion

[cunning blaze]

Hey guys, is lurkers still worth getting on heroic?

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/ofdfe3

this what im using in azshara atm

[hollow stone]

Depends on your gear but it is a very strong on use trinket, yes

Idk how i feel about ss just for queen

Does it line up well w the add spawns?

[tropic ocean]

we struggle a bit on shield adds

so burst is nice

[hollow stone]

Or are you holding?

[tropic ocean]

im holding vendetta and vanish for first shield add

cuz we struggle

its probably not most optimal

[hollow stone]

Yea but you gotta do what you gotta do til people have some more dps

[tropic ocean]

yup

[hollow stone]

Its a good adaptation

[tropic ocean]

I alreaedy told ppl to not 10 ppl use iris major

but they prefer pad

while having 3,5% boss dps

[hollow stone]

Iris major on my dh was like ~200 dps less than full st set up so in that case it was worth running

Im sure you have classes like that in your group

[tropic ocean]

for sin its not that good anyways

[hollow stone]

They should run it and others shouldnt

[tropic ocean]

but pbasically mage hunter sham dh warr lock everyone using that

our afflocks had like ~3-4% boss dps yesterday while others had 7-8

[hollow stone]

Yea. Thats pad

Thats bad pad

:p

[tropic ocean]

(despite being top dps)

so yeah ill stick with lucid and as much st as I can get

maybe I'll switch bbi to np too

[shell lodge]

Gallecallers Boon good pick for M+ or current raid? Sims good, tho with all this moevement. Should i change it to Razorclaw ?

[hollow stone]

Gcb has fallen. Long live lurkers

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[vestal dagger]

!Essence

[shell lodge]

oof. dont have it sadly.

[urban junco]

Do you suppose the pants from the first boss of CoS are worth going for still?

[dense axle]

huh, is there some kind of interaction between Master Ass and life-force essence?

or is the Sim just assuming that https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/essences/1t-t24-assassination

[desert vault]

First day back since 8.2 has been on, any particular guides or anything to note outside of the pinned content?

[autumn slate]

read wowhead guide

[hollow stone]

Check the naz n mecha guides on wowhead for new zones. Save all your pearls.

[tropic ocean]

galecallers not good for m+

as theres a lot of movement

[placid dawn]

man, i give up on this benthic bullshit, 400 pearls and not a single socket

[shell lodge]

well other than Gallecallers i have Dead Eye, Kimbul , Sinister with versa , Lusturous Golden plumage, and that mechagon trin with lots of yellow card to mix, tho any special redo or blue.

im focusing more on raids

[shy dust]

What’s the reason why MA gives such a huge boost to the guardian essence?

[autumn slate]

reverred with rustbolt?

[indigo cove]

Get the red card from revered.

[autumn slate]

^

[shell lodge]

oh, i forgot i can buy stuff for rep

ty.

[red plaza]

MA is better than Subterfuge to begin with, but with R3 BoTE/Lucid combo, subterfuge closes the gap. Once you get R3 guardian, MA widens it out again

[indigo cove]

Red card from revered, yellow card as weight dependant (probably crit>haste), and blue for flavour. im enjoying the swim speed one, makes me feel like a druid.

[red plaza]

absolutely do NOT equip the honored blue card. You won't be able to use tricks I was stuck with it for a week until Scrap King finally dropped his T_T

[indigo cove]

LOL

[small island]

is the phys damage bracers shit?

[cobalt pelican]

large brain play

[shell lodge]

Thanks Steve and LiG

[cobalt pelican]

i don't think anyone really knows why ma+lifeforce is showing such a significant gain

[zinc furnace]

@red plaza excuse me, what is the guardian essence u refer to above?

[indigo cove]

One of the tanks i had the other day was using it, and he was getting angry at me like "It's clearly a macro issue"

[cobalt pelican]

zine asked mystler and i imagine it'll get clarified/looked into sometime by some smart person

giving everyone neural was a thing that should not have happened

[red plaza]

The raid essence, Condensed Life-Force

[cobalt pelican]

or at least not been THE most accessible blue card

[shy dust]

Condensed life force

[zinc furnace]

Oh, ok, ty

[dense axle]

I think it's because theyre trying to show that whe you get rank 3, you should use life force and MA because youll be switching away from Subterfuge

but thats the essence page, dunno why theyre trying to make a point about a trait

[cobalt pelican]

but why

it's not a point

it's the same gearset simmed with 2 talents but condensed gets a massive spike

like there's some weird interaction

[dense axle]

I dont think the trait and the essence have any interaction

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, there "shouldn't" be which is why it's odd

[dense axle]

blizz seems to have gone to lengths to make it not for ANY essences

[indigo cove]

Any of you guys have a solid opener for cyclotronic+lucid dreams?

no SS

[autumn slate]

what does your sim tell you to do?

like what opener is being used in your sims

[indigo cove]

Cry inside

[shell lodge]

acctually i found a red card in bank : P for haste

[autumn slate]

Like you can go view full html report and you can see the sample sequence list

[arctic walrus]

No red card is worth if it's not cyclotronic

[indigo cove]

I'll have to respec and figure it out. Raidbots is still slightly foreign to me sometimes

@shell lodge that yellow card is hot.

[shell lodge]

the one already in Socket or the one in the bank ?

after chanign the trin my stat weights changed a bit and dps droped by like 400dmg +/-

[zinc furnace]

Why do u wstch scary stories

[shell lodge]

for now i have 25% Crit, 19% Haste, 39% Mastery, 4% Versa

[indigo cove]

The titanforged one. But seriously, drop that red card. Compared to the revered card its hooo boy bad

[shell lodge]

im addicted to them Elcis

Elvis*

[zinc furnace]

As a returning player i find honor and other essence-related farms scary enough 😂

[urban junco]

lol

It's not bad

Just a bit of agrind

[shell lodge]

Steve from which rare this famous red card drops again ?

[indigo cove]

Rep vendor @ revered

[short jacinth]

Rustbolt

Vendor

[shell lodge]

well i have the one from Rep, but the one i already have that gives me chance for haste aint good enought?

[indigo cove]

Nope, no point in using the trinket at all without it

Deadeye/Harlans/Lurkers all sim over it without the rep card

[shell lodge]

mhm and do u have any guide video when i can learn rotation with it ? cuz i was pleying Outlaw until yesterday : P

[prisma cypress]

is the dribbling inkpod considered any good

[vestal wren]

yes

[dusty basalt]

Is gale considered bad specifically because it's difficult to stand still?

[cosmic pier]

yes

[shell lodge]

oh yeh mate.

[cosmic pier]

and we dont just stack haste anymore

[shell lodge]

in New raid u dont rly have time to stand still or in one place. Maybe on First boss tho

depends on debuff 😛

alright so i use this trin with red card after vendeta, or cooldown, somethink ?

[cosmic pier]

read the pin in #wow-general

[sturdy dust]

What's the preferred opening for MA: Garrote -> Mutilate - Rupture or Mutilate -> Rupture -> Garrote -Mutilate

[shell lodge]

aaah

ty again.

[stark oxide]

@sturdy dust ravenholdt guides in the pins.

[real spindle]

Hello guys! Are benthic boots bis right now?

[winter moss]

how many of you are using unbridled fury

[stark mirage]

Is doing a 10 giving 440 in chest on wednesday? I thought it was capped at 7 for 430 loot

[drifting cloud]

you thought wrong

[stark mirage]

well I'm glad to be wrong >D

[wooden fog]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fXKzQWhSV6jMLjGvPKs5cj

why is my haste 7.02

[shy axle]

for myth+ blood + lucid minor? what are you using?

[arctic walrus]

Weird you don't have a font

[rapid aurora]

did they change the benthic gear or what

trying to get those bracer with frost dmg

still havent get them but i got bracer that deal dmg and slow them ??

[arctic walrus]

Haste is at a weird spot right now that's all we can really say

I don't even wanna link my stat weights lol they're that fucked

[rough agate]

Are we gonna be running SS/subt with t24 gear? 😮

[arctic walrus]

DD/Sub is also currently viable somehow

[winter gale]

Is there a list of best minors ?

Ty 😃

[rough agate]

Can look at herodamage too

but its all relative to what you have

[lime marsh]

So for single target I know you pair blood with vendetta, but at what point in the rotation? Before/after toxic blades?

[shrewd plover]

after

[rough agate]

vendetta>vanish>tb>mut>env>blood is what my sim told me

[lime marsh]

Vendetta into vanish? Oh, I always thought you were supposed to vanish garrote into vendetta tb env

[rough agate]

my thing is with MA i should of mentioned

[untold current]

Last i heard if using bote with MA is Multi – Rupture – Multi – Garrote – Vendetta – TB – BoTE - Vanish

[lime marsh]

Ah

[untold current]

Unless its changed

[lime marsh]

I'm currently using subterfuge (Although ss isn't simming better for me anymore so I have 0 ss's) and JUST hit 55 neck so I'm trading lucid major for lucid minor +bote major

So my whole rotation is jankifying right now lol

SHOULD I be running MA?

[untold current]

Depends on how u sim with both builds

[lime marsh]

Well, I guess I'll check. Should I be running lucid minor + bote major or is that also varying based on gear?

[untold current]

varies

[rough agate]

thats gonna feel weird not garroting first lol

[lone mirage]

What pot is best for raid atm ?

Critical strikes one ?

[untold current]

guide at top has it

but sim still

[rough agate]

Should I be using my font 3s in combat like sim says or prepull

[tropic ocean]

does the channel trinket from azshara

work before pull?

[rough agate]

yes

[tropic ocean]

do u keep the buff?

nicesu

[limber flame]

Are the benthic items/effects gonna be bis if I dont plan on doing mythic raid content

[tropic ocean]

yes

and even in mythic they are very good

compared to mythic gear*

[little marten]

I can't decide which benthic pieces to bother with. the head, chest, and shoulders don't seem to have great azarite traits for us

[tropic ocean]

for assa

[turbid osprey]

are you guys using worldvein minor?

[tropic ocean]

get boots>bracer>belt

in this order

[royal lantern]

people are ussing wath is best for them

not worth for me cus i have blood3

[little marten]

the ones listed in the pinned posts?

and only with sockets, or are they still good without sockets?

[fiery hazel]

Not as good but good. Imagine it with 50 less of a secondary stat.

[thorn bronze]

hey guys

i finally got my benthic boots with a socket

[warm mulch]

[thorn bronze]

are wrists and waist absolute BiS too? If so, I can start grinding for those

[fringe epoch]

someone just said

boots and bracers then belt

[thorn bronze]

yeah I saw

[fringe epoch]

all 3 are very good

[thorn bronze]

but like, I knew boots were super bis

[royal lantern]

they

are

good by default if you roll them with a socket

because sockets themself are stupid op right now

[thorn bronze]

I spent several hundreds of pearls for crit boots with socket

[fiery hazel]

I wonder how long that took.

[tropic ocean]

its boots>bracers>belt

simple because boots highest dmg, bracers 2nd (cuz they work on all bosses)

belt last cuz it works on 2 bosses only

[royal lantern]

i spend the entire last raidtier too get a loaded dice, and only got one in the last month 🤷 rng gonna be rng

[turbid osprey]

got boots with leech and a socket on an alt

😡

[little marten]

What about benthic belt with socket but doesn't have the effect against abortions?

[tropic ocean]

dw I did all the wq+ emissary and intro quests today on maybe 4 alts and no boots with socket

besides falling ones

[little marten]

I got a socketed belt with the extra physical damage trait

[tropic ocean]

@little marten the belt works on 2 bosses

the abberation one

[turbid osprey]

abortions lmfao

[little marten]

Lol, that was an interesting autocorrect that I didn't notice

[tropic ocean]

rogue is good for abortions

[little marten]

Ausgelbot is that the only belt worth having of the benthic options m

[tropic ocean]

I guess the best option is the one you can get socketed

but for bis the one with abberation is #1 afaik

[untold current]

Still not quite understanding how to use coral in rotation. I see its suppoesd to be paired with Vendetta

maybe cause I dont have the trinket I dont know how it works really

[desert vault]

So in general M+ stuff hasn't too much? EB for teeming, TtK for tyrannical, etc, etc?

[modest tendon]

It doesn’t work like that but yeah

[tropic ocean]

@desert vault any mix of ttk/ss/eb is fine

with new affix its more shifting to less eb

more ttk

[placid dawn]

is bbi good on m+?

[desert vault]

cool cool, today is my first day playing since 8.2 so have a ton to catch up on with the new content, but need to start farming some mid-level m+ I guess

[tropic ocean]

@placid dawn its not bad but theres better options

[carmine valve]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[eternal acorn]

Guys i have a question for ya

I love both pvp and pve, but i dont like too much changing my spec. So could you guys tell me if assa is enough efficient to be competitive vs oultaw ?

[median harbor]

why are benthic boots good?

[eternal acorn]

• crit

[modest tendon]

Assa is good at everything

Just play it

[carmine valve]

If your looking for all around spec go sin, Outlaw can also be that but generally they loose to sin in Raids and PvP.

[icy dock]

is there a way to sim essences i dont have ?

[hollow stone]

While assa is good at everything, you want different az for everything too (st, m+, and pvp)

Soooo

[tropic ocean]

isnt pvp like same as st?

stack dd and np

with 1 ss

[hollow stone]

Nah. Ttk op for pvp

[modest tendon]

3ttk and 1ss for pvp right?

[tropic ocean]

@icy dock u can add essences in the raw input in ur raidbots

[hollow stone]

Best to ask pvp channel. But yeah 3ttk 1ss and then fill is hood shiii

[eternal acorn]

yeah thanks guys

[carmine valve]

Are there any azerite armor from m+ that I should keep eye on, so far I only know of Gorak Tul mantle

IT has good T4 T3 and T2 traits

[rough agate]

• haste lol

[marsh mortar]

What is best minor essence to have?

[tropic ocean]

[desert vault]

there anything I should be using my seals on? I've been gone for a couple months, have max seals this week so was going to burn them on something before reset tomorrow

haven't done new raid or new dungeon yet

[astral tangle]

TFW outlaw Sims are within 150 dps from my mut ones

[dark crag]

double on use trinket is so wierd

[sturdy dust]

Especially when you have an on use essence as well

[lone junco]

LOLOLL NEGATIVE HASTE

CAPPING EEEEEEE

@civic palm

^^

fun games

[dark crag]

i wish the azshara channel is enhanced by haste

[lone junco]

big ol donk on that one.

[vestal wren]

try simming kimbuls with outlaw

[dark crag]

dh got 420 socket kimbuls

[wise shore]

i want todie farming this last 25k honor for r3

bgs are miserable

[restive smelt]

Fax

[fallow peak]

I finally got a pufferfish wrist with socket... worth upgrading or still hold out for frost?

[dark crag]

with azshara trinket i should get r3 bote

[untold current]

@vestal wren Can you elaborate a bit further on how to use razor coral with Vendetta? Maybe cause I dont have the trinket I'm not quite getting how to line it up with Vendetta. Its like a debuff you put on the target, then when Vendetta is up you activate it?

[vestal wren]

sry, in raid atm

[untold current]

All good, if someone else knows that would be great

[lucid bolt]

am i doing something wrong ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fp8TgEvc21JygpfzohijYU

[scarlet sequoia]

yes

[lucid bolt]

what?

[dark crag]

yes, you have 409 equipted and ony r1 lucid

[lucid bolt]

does r2 make a big diff ?

[arctic walrus]

No minor bad traits bad red trinket

[lucid bolt]

traits?

[arctic walrus]

Azerite, I'm on mobile but I already see you have a SoB which is bad single Target

[lucid bolt]

for my ilvl i think my dps is okay this was before i changed to lucid this weekend

ohh okay il change that later thanks man

[arctic walrus]

You can sim your azerite traits in top gear, and you should

[lucid bolt]

aight ill give that a try

nevermind didnt work

but ill rmeember to change scent of blood

and try to get rank 2 lucid

thx guys

[dark crag]

with a slightly modified interface double on use is not that cancer like i thought

[brisk mist]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[woven summit]

Hey guys got a wrist with socket should I upgrade it?

[nimble tartan]

yeah do it

[woven summit]

Deals frost and slow

Oki thanks

[autumn trench]

tfw half way in to vendetta and you forgot font

[dark crag]

which yellow card is desired? crit?

[calm wedge]

look at your stat weight

[urban junco]

^

[dark crag]

possible to sim differen kind of yellow cards?

[urban junco]

sim yourself for weights

look at weights

pick yellow card

??

Profit

[muted night]

Is crit chance always better than haste? I mean they are equal in my sims, but all guides insist on taking crit

[hearty junco]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/cZiKVdQc3fWnRR4PzXyoLj

just got the gloves from azshara, do they work outside of the raid?

[dark crag]

how can i sim essence ranks i don't have?

[crisp steppe]

@muted night crit works better for AoE/multitarget. you'll get more energy in those situations. if you are using fan of knives you generate more combopoints. its a more versatile stat

[muted night]

Ok, thank you

[strange python]

are we supposed to be using focused resolve?

[rich wren]

the gloves do work outside of raid @hearty junco

[strange python]

its not in the pins wth

[upbeat oriole]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[dark crag]

can someone explain to me why my castsequence macro with trinket slots isn't working? Slot 13 works, it switches to slot 14 and shows the punchcard tooltip, but pressing it again does nothing. A simple /use 14 works fine

[woven summit]

benthic gear went up to 420 right?

to know what to sim

[dense axle]

benthic goes to 425 I believe

[woven summit]

aha

ok thanks

[dense axle]

5 less than heroic gear

[woven summit]

yeah that's solid with the effect on it

[dense axle]

@dark crag are you trying to use 2 on-use trinkets? Using one will trigger a 30s cd on the other

[scarlet sequoia]

is oxidized refuse remover updated on sims?

since it got buffed by 200%

[dark crag]

/castsequence 13, 14

i use azshara trinket before pull, do normal opener and when punchcard is ready again, i try to use said macro

[dense axle]

that wont work with 2 on-use trinkets. Using one or the other will put the other on cooldown for 20 or 30 seconds, I forget which

[dark crag]

i see the cd in that macro, but once punchcard is ready i can press it but nothing happens

[dense axle]

try this:
/use 13
/use 14
/castsequence other stuff

[brisk mist]

any tips for za'qul hc ?

[dark crag]

the trinket is not on cd when i press the button, even the right item is shown in the macro

[dense axle]

well, it seems like /castsequence fails when the first thign in it is on CD

so I would try the /use thing I wrote above

[dark crag]

thats new to me that sequence fails after you pressed the first spell in the sequence

sequence is the way to work around /use x /use y that trigger gcd

[dense axle]

it's probably becxause the first item is on CD, so it cant execute and doesnt fall back automatically because that's too clever for blizz's liking

trinkets generally dont trigger the GCD

[dark crag]

for testpurpose i have a garrote tb sequence and that works fine

ok i think i know whats happening

[strange python]

if you have something equipped as a major essence do you only get the major portion of it? or major and minor

[dark crag]

a castsequence macro resets when the spell it will trigger is used regardless if you pressed the macro

[scenic saffron]

can we use the azshara trinket before pull ?

[strange python]

yea

[still moon]

Yes just channel at 6 seconds so you can restealth and pre pot

[dark crag]

like garrote and tb. if you press your garrote the sequence shows garrote cd, but did you press the macro and are now on tb and you press your tb bind the macro itself resets

[still moon]

It does break stealth

[shy dust]

@strange python putting something in a major slot gives both major and minor

[dark crag]

probably because of the internal trinket cd of 20 secs the sequence doesn't know what to do, it shows trinket 2 but since that went on cd the moment you pressed macro trinket 1 it is back to trinket 1

[strange python]

@shy dust ty

[fathom wyvern]

so what is the bis essence for major now?

idk how to see whats major or not on logs

[dense axle]

@dark crag interesting, I didnt know it behaved like that. still would want to use the /use way, right? Let me know what ends up working

[spare narwhal]

The pinned guide doesn’t seem to take into account an opener of SS paired with the subterfuge and TB talent. Did anything change or is it the same as before? The 8.1.5 guide did have an opener for this combo, just curious why it would be removed.

[celest swan]

@marble hemlock already an idea what trinkets u want for m+?

[dark crag]

it probably is buggy because of the internal trinket cd, i will test /use x /use y next, but both trinkets are on gcd

[edgy pawn]

Yes it does @spare narwhal

[autumn slate]

I need someone to shit on my HC logs for me so I can improve more

[dark crag]

it doesn't work either

[shell lodge]

got pretty lucky today

[nimble tartan]

Just press your buttons tiff

[tardy jay]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[arctic walrus]

In the right order, don't forget that part Omr

[cosmic vine]

is 3 dd and 3np and master assassin the build now

[rough agate]

not for me

[dark crag]

for st yes

[rotund pier]

I don't understand why with MA you would vanish and then TB and Mut and then Env, why not have like 4 CPs build, then TB then Vanish and env mut env

[rough agate]

st my best is 3dd 1 np 1 blight

[dark crag]

one is safe, one is big boy risk, both yield in the end the same

3dd + a variation of np, ttk, bbi and what else you got,

3dd, 1np, 1 ttk, 1 bbi is bis. raidpiece helmet(zaqul), gorak'tuls mantle, cephalohide

[signal summit]

How good is the benetic gear for Rogues

Is a 425 socket better than Lets say a mythic piece ?

[calm wedge]

Its op

[dark crag]

boots with socket are bis until nerf

the crit dmg ones

[calm wedge]

I have 4 out of the 5 420 socket

[signal summit]

Have rolled 400 pearls

[calm wedge]

approx 1K5 to 2k dps

[signal summit]

No socket ...

Starting to lose faith

[rough agate]

I used 760+4 alts til i got mine

hang in there

[earnest bridge]

with which essences do you play Azshara ? (sry for my english)

[dark crag]

i have boots, rest i got 430 first hc id, unlucky me

[strange python]

lads

jc>engi right?

im currently lw, engi

but i kinda wanna drop engi for jc

juicy rings are too good 😦

with socket too

[onyx swan]

hey i wanted to ask wich trait combination should i take for 2v2 (atm i am using 3x np, 2x dose, 1x shrouded)

[strange python]

pvp channel mate

[onyx swan]

oh sry then

[strange python]

np

[desert vault]

So many people running Luker's trinket over Ashvane? Just not many have Ashvane yet? Sorry been gone from game for 2+ months

[fallow estuary]

ttk vs undulating tides in M+?

[shy dust]

The raid just came out this week not everyone is going to have the trinket

[stark oxide]

The m+ meta is 3x ttk 2x EB 1x SS

[dark crag]

undulating tides is a sim trap

the dmg part turns off when you trigger the def component

[lusty narwhal]

100 bracers no socketed ori

[desert vault]

oh i thought raid was two weeks old, got it

[stark oxide]

Is that actually confirmed Luhmi? I haven't tested yet. The wording seems to indicate that, but it could also easily mean that only the defensive bonus turns off for 45 seconds.

[tiny arrow]

It stops proccing after it triggers defensive prat ye

part*

[cosmic vine]

what is eb

[tiny arrow]

Echoing Blades

[desert vault]

I left the game with 415s on 3x EB, 2x ttk, 1x SS and now I need another ttk, damn it!

[sour wasp]

did they nerf cp generation of FoK at any point? came back last week and i swear sometimes i fok with 5 mobs around and add 2 cp's lol

[tiny arrow]

Tides is still pretty good tho, on fights where you don't dip too much below 50%

[desert vault]

oh crap, just sort of figured out the way to get essence ... derp

[spice frost]

Vic it’s based on how many crits you get

[shy dust]

Didn’t fuu post sims showing ttk is overrated for M+

[spice frost]

You can fok 30 mobs but if none of them crit you still only get 1cp

[desert vault]

Battlegrounds ... someone wanna carry me? I don't know how to pvp 😛

[prime dove]

Pretty new to this whole rogue thing.. should I stack echoing blades for M+?

[desert vault]

meh, I'm confused on this essence crap, just going to ignore it for now and whatever happens, happens

[sweet heart]

did they buff nothing personal? or am i just not remembering its damage on the tooltip correctly

i wouldnt ignore essences. very important. one of our bis comes from jainas quest in najatar. memory of lucid dreams. simple to get

[desert vault]

oh ok, i don't know if i have the questline unlocked yet or not

[leaden garden]

Anything changed since s2 in terms of azerite trait compositions?

[desert vault]

and you can use just one essence at a time?

[dim sigil]

do I use Vendetta before using the mechagon trinket?

[dense axle]

go hit a test dummy and find out if it boosts the dmg. if it does, probably yes inside vendetta

[dusky tinsel]

it doesnt

[covert mesa]

Only versa does

[stable walrus]

New to assassin but the pinned guide mentions EB / SS for m+
Here i see 3x ttk 2x EB 1x SS being thrown around, and warcraftlogs dont seem to have too much consistency in trait stacking

[nimble tartan]

My favorite sin ability is mutilate but offhand only

[stable walrus]

Whats the deal with azerite traits in m+?

[desert vault]

does residumm have any value now?

[rigid mango]

@stable walrus

looking at WCL for m+ logs is weird

Like, no one logs it at all

[stable walrus]

I look at what traits are commonly used, overall and per dungeon

For other classes there is some consistency

[scenic saffron]

with the new azshara trinket+uunat trinket, do i use the azshara one 6sec before pull and uunat one during the last seconds of vendetta ?

[rigid mango]

Yeah, WCL isn't good

No one seriously logs

It's a bad point to get your view on traits

[stable walrus]

Right okay, but the pinned guide still doesnt match whats being said here

[warm cave]

information is changing rapidly right now with the start of a new tier

[rigid mango]

You're better off using seli's stream

and or asking here

[stable walrus]

Yeah the infos kinda weird around this spec, so i just asked here

[rigid mango]

And like you mentioned, 3ttk 2 eb 1 ss or like I'd also recommend 2/2/2 are both really good

I don't think the third eb is worth it, esp not this week

[stable walrus]

Right

[rigid mango]

I think the top EB you'd ever want to go in s3 is 2 now

[stable walrus]

Is seli seliathan?

[rigid mango]

Yes

Incarnated on twitch

[stable walrus]

Cause the name pops up on wcl

Alright, thanks

[rigid mango]

He's the one sin rogue I think a lot of people, me included base a lot of sin m+ on

Esp in s2

[tropic ocean]

but

Arent the traits of non logged runs correct though?

[nimble tartan]

Wcl takes the runs from raider.io I think now, so you don’t have to log it

But you can’t click through to get more info like regular logs

[stable walrus]

Yea, thats only if they also logged it

[marble elm]

Font making haste weight skyrocket

[stable walrus]

But you can see traits and talents used

[nimble tartan]

Yeah nightr

Haste boys...

[tropic ocean]

For logged ones i mean

[marble elm]

Need more autoattacks during 3k agi buff