assassination

[vernal fern]

should i roll for wrists or belt benthicc first ? i got my socket crit boots at 420 already

[fast nacelle]

wrists

[vernal fern]

aye thx

[drifting cloud]

wrists are way better but also way harder to get

[untold current]

wasted alot of pearls on wrists

[drifting cloud]

since theres 6 of them and only 2 belts

[opal meadow]

@drifting cloud no just CoS trinket and harlans dice

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wxL33JePpSwQpkuahPiMre

[crisp steppe]

pufferfish bracer aint to bad either so its 1/3 at that point. belt is easier to get still

[opal meadow]

I was at like 36,500 earlier this week

[glad oxide]

which potion are we using now for raid?

[vernal fern]

but now that i have lucid rank 3 i think i can afford losing a bit of pearls. But now you make me hesitate a bit ^^

[untold current]

I didnt plan very well, got lucid 3 few but not enough pearls

[junior hawk]

Hello fellow rogues! I've been reading quite a few forums about the topic, and none of them tells me the "correct" answer. So I thought I might gave it a shot here. The question regards the essence. I have both [Memory of Lucid Dream] and [Blood of the Enemy], but I can figure who is best. I'd assume it depends on singel target vs. multi-target. But in general, what are you using?

[fast nacelle]

if you have many alts and some time go for wrists
if you dont have much time and many alts go for belt

[vernal fern]

I dont have any alts so ^^

[fast nacelle]

well then go for bracer

ehm belt

bc its unlikely to get bracer without some investment

[drifting cloud]

@opal meadow I think its because crit potion got nerfed

since that sim is 7 days old

[opal meadow]

yeah might be crit pot

..i have 165 crit pots

in my bags. feelsbad

[untold current]

Still have around 300 agi, dont feel bad

[vernal fern]

arent crit pots still better than agi ones?

[opal meadow]

whats wrong with agi?

[untold current]

normal agi

[opal meadow]

oh

lol eh, just use em up

[untold current]

ya, during dungeons

[fast nacelle]

just use prolonged power

[untold current]

yikes

[warm harbor]

a guy in shak's stream jsut said EB got stealthed nerfed? any confirmation of this or this guy high?

[olive tulip]

Guys I have a problem. I have 412 ilvl cleared normal eternal, did 12 mythic + rounds between 6-9 and my weapons are still 405 and 385

Any idea how to find weapons in this game without luck

[drifting cloud]

conquest cap gives 410

[warm harbor]

conquest capping gets you a 410

^^

what he said

[olive tulip]

It shows a fist weapon but gives dagger when you set your loot spec to assassination?

[drifting cloud]

theres 4 options to choose from when you go turn it in

[warm harbor]

nah you can choose a dagger

[frail gate]

and you get all 4 appearances

[olive tulip]

Oooh

[untold current]

Who is the turn in guy

[olive tulip]

Nice thank you!

[ember rover]

Arzamar, spam Underrot.

It gives BiS dagger, BiS ring, and almost all other leather drops have great stats for Assa.

And it's easy this week.

Spam Underrot like crazy.

[drifting cloud]

how is it easy this week

underrot is way easier on tyra

if its easy its because its 5, not because of the affixes

but sure telling a guy who just did m+ to do more m+ for weapons is some great advice

[ember rover]

He never said what M+ he did, also he said that he already cleared normal, so apart from clearing HC, his only option is M+.

And I told him which one's the best to farm.

[white basalt]

Good idea to use m+ essence for H Queen?

As a major

[crisp steppe]

try it out and report ur findings

[olive tulip]

@ember rover actually as I said I did around 12 mythic+ runs in past 2 days mostly in tol dagor because wowhead guide said the dagger in that is the bis and the trinket. But didn't see any still :/ gonna try underrot thanks

[crisp steppe]

any dagger is gonna be good m8

secondaries are very close

[vapid scarab]

cannonball BiS

[ember rover]

For M+ it's pretty decent.

[distant lava]

cannon

sucks

ass

[crisp steppe]

@ember rover main issue is that it when it procs it targets that current location. lots of movement in m+

so its doing 0 dmg a lot

[pastel sandal]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[ancient onyx]

guys is worldvein rank 3 gonna be better than BotE+Lucid rn?

[arctic walrus]

Rank 2 with a few people is already better than bote+lucid pretty sure

But sim it nonetheless

[vapid scarab]

If you don’t move yeah world vein is dominant

[ancient onyx]

u won't ever get 100% uptime on worldvein like in the sim tho

[distant mist]

Closest I got on one fight was 95% uptime with worldvein

[astral tangle]

Anyone figure out the proper way to use ashvanes?

[ember rover]

You macro it into vendetta, basically.

In your opener, it should be first used with your first GCD, and then just have it macroed in vendetta.

[median sand]

How is sin performing in m+ rn? I'm making the switch from outlaw to mix it up. Still stacking SS? I've heard mixed perspectives of EB....

[hasty brook]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[opaque tree]

Do Font of Power put Coral on a 30 sec CD?

[ember rover]

Any combination of EB + SS + TTK

@median sand

[median sand]

Oof, I'm in DD + NP as well

[fresh ginkgo]

I have a feeling they gonna nerf benthic armor for mythic week

[civic palm]

Not the place to be talking about that, but I doubt that.

[cobalt pelican]

i'd like to think they'd have given people a heads up/have done it now if they were

but who knows

blizzard work in mysterious ways

[austere ruin]

question

why people gem crit nowadays?

[vast forum]

crit boots

benthic

for a lot of people, the boots pushed crit to be the #1 stat

[austere ruin]

koo

[dapper wraith]

So, I'm a little confuddled on something. the guide says our MA/TB opener should be Garrote -> Mutilate -> Rupture -> Vend -> Vanish -> TB -> Mut -> Envenom. But it makes more sense to me to Garrote -> Mut -> Rupt -> Vend -> Mut -> TB -> Vanish -> Env -> Mut (x2 if needed for 4cp) -> Env to get 2 Env during MA. The 2nd opener is also what Dratnos has on his guide on youtube. Is the ravenholdt guide wrong or is there some reasoning I'm missing ?

@austere ruin my sims had me dropping a shit ton of haste to go crit/mast once I got the boots, like Yoppa said.

[harsh sphinx]

it's probably the lucid minor not so much the benthic boots

as for the openers, one's considered a little more "greedy" vanish>TB is what the sim uses. "safe" opener

[austere ruin]

koo

[dark crag]

There are many people who use the opener in different forms and ones are more risky and others are more safe but in the end both need to crit to reward

[vast forum]

consistency is better for progress, big variance is better for ranking

that's how i look at it

[hazy iron]

Rasix, it's about gambling, vanish into TB is more consistant than relying on 2 env crits

[ember rover]

Vanish into TB is way way more consistent.

And that's what you want.

[dark crag]

When i have a gorak proc in opener i gamble for env m env

I also saw a few g m r vend m vanish tb

[mighty elm]

Honestly won’t notice diff of either opener in the long run

[ember rover]

Also, the opener changes if you have Blood of the Enemy.

[mighty elm]

Off all my ashvane pulls, this opener was the best parse in the end

https://i.gyazo.com/c32ac950ed0284a3f67b19a929e3e354.png

[ember rover]

Kidney? 😄

[mighty elm]

Yea, B I G missclick

[austere ruin]

lol

[opaque tree]

Does Font of Power put Coral on a 30 sec CD?

[austere ruin]

u can equip font of power and coral together

they share same CD

can't*

[dark crag]

My orgozoa pull was the best, 40k dps and i wonder whats going on. My poison wa was disabled is all i say

[ember rover]

40k DPS on Orgozoa puts you at rank 2, kind of hard to believe that without poisons.

[dark crag]

40k opener dps

Around 60 without blood is normal

[ember rover]

Why would you not play with blood.

I like seeing 95k DPS 😄

[dark crag]

I don't have r3

[untold current]

Which azerite we going for? Zaqul?

[velvet stag]

what is the best major atm?

[dark crag]

Bgs are pure cancer in eu

[ember rover]

Swap to alliance and do non-epic BGs

Alliance wins most of non-epic ones, since everybody that's tryhard is swapping to alliance for 50% more honor.

And by swap, I mean get the mercenary buff.

Don't swap factions

[untold current]

@velvet stag depends on build

[dark crag]

In non epic bgs as alliance i have to play with german alliance, 0 wins possible

[vast forum]

i don't think i've lost a single regular bg as ally in eu since patch release

[ember rover]

Right now, till you get R3 of Condensed, BotE R3 Major + Lucid minor seems to perform best.

[tough whale]

font puts coral on 20s cd

on use trinkets have a 20 second global cd

[mighty elm]

R3 lucid and r3 worldvein should perform better

[velvet stag]

I run 3 dd, 1 np, 1 ttk and 1 cove. with high crit, low haste high mastery and around 8% vers

[ember rover]

You can't have R3 worldvein yet.

[mighty elm]

Mythic week

For progress

[dark crag]

I mean last week i won all epic bgs as horde, lost all normal ones as alli and even wittnessed my first loss as alliance in 1k

[ember rover]

Even after mythic week, you have to complete 3 Table missions, one of 2 days, one of 3 days and one of 4 days.

In order to get R3 worldvein

[mighty elm]

What? We get r3 on Wednesday

[ember rover]

No?

You start the table missions to get R3.

[mighty elm]

🤔 so still on mythic week?

[astral tangle]

How do you sim pots? Not sure which to use

[mighty elm]

Like Thursday/Friday

[rigid mango]

Aint it weekly?

[ember rover]

2 + 3 + 4 = ?

[mighty elm]

What r u even counting

It’s 1 mission

[ember rover]

The days that each mission take :))

It's 3 missions, budy.

And I know cause I woke up at 5AM in patch day and capped my islands.

So I`m 1 week ahead.

[mighty elm]

[ember rover]

YOu have to do 3 table missions to get Worldvein Rank 3.

[tough whale]

Adrian is right, lmao, its literally even on WoWhead if you want to look

shouldnt be an argument

[drifting cloud]

is that their base duration? can you reduce it

[ember rover]

Yes, you can reduce it to 12 hours, 16 and 1 day.

If you're a bit lucky with recruitable followers.

If not, 1 day, 1.5 days and 2 days.

[astral tangle]

How do you sim pots? Not sure which to use

[tough whale]

scroll down on raidbots

bunch of options

[ember rover]

Unbridled fury.

[tough whale]

^

[mighty elm]

So we get it friday if we don’t go full pepega

[ember rover]

You gotta be a bit lucky with the recruitable followers, but it's doable to get it before SUnday raid, certainly.

[tough whale]

I had a vacation the week before EP and missed my islands due to a delay / layover and am 1 week behind : )))))

[open silo]

have u guys an idea when i have to use the use- mechagon trinket with the beam, i mean the channeling one, from the vendor ( red card)

[ember rover]

Outside of Lucid, TB and Vendetta, when below 80 energy and rupture is not falling off.

[worthy glacier]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fvWDRm1ej6w9pxzAqyPJhi how is mastery simming highest? 🤔

[open silo]

thx

[red plaza]

what did you expect to be highest? with Lucid haste gets pretty devalued

[ember rover]

You only got 1 essence?

[sick eagle]

Does anybody know what traits the 430 helm from Mechagon hard more has?

[worthy glacier]

dunno, thought crit/haste would still be higher

yeah only 1 essence, slacked a bit

[sick eagle]

what is the specific 2nd inner ring tho?

[ember rover]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=169005/mekgineers-mindbending-headgear&bonus=4817

[sick eagle]

ty

[ember rover]

Wait, that's not correct.,

That's not it.

Or ye, it is, actually.

[dusky moon]

focusing iris is surely bonkers in m+ https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/rANCGLr2CdZCAqXRn5G9S4

[rigid mango]

run 3x and pull around it, sounds pretty good yeah

[strange python]

Is there a reference for optimal major/minor for essences?

[dusky moon]

sims on herodamage

[rigid mango]

Sims on herodamage and simming yourself

Atm, blood M + lucid m is BiS it seems, at r3 anyways

[strange python]

is unbridled fury potion bis now?

[ember rover]

Yes.

[strange python]

ty

[inner leaf]

i think there is no way they dont nerf focusing iris

it s too good

[ember rover]

It's meant to be good.

[empty badge]

is cripping poison glitching the hulks on azshara?

[ember rover]

@empty badge in my runs, we found out that any slow ability counted as CC.

So it would instantly break my Kidney.

[empty badge]

Ah that is fucked

[hollow stone]

Azshara down boiz

[ember rover]

We also found out that once you CC the hulk, he becomes CC locked to that ability.

[hollow stone]

Cripp doesnt

[ember rover]

So say you have 2 rogues, Rogue 1 can kidney it, then Rogue 2 can also Kidney it.

[hollow stone]

The culprits are warr charge, sp mind flay, frost mage gs

[ember rover]

As long as you use the same spell, you can stun it even 3 times.

[wanton glade]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[sturdy dust]

Should I save my Residuum for Random 435 Shoulders or replace my current 420s with perfect trait shoulders?

[ember rover]

Seeing how shoulders from raid suck dick, I will personally gamble on mine.

Problem is, 3 of the 6 available from gamble are bad.

So you have 50% chance of getting something good.

I`ll take those odds 😄

[raw gull]

gamba a pair of 435s

if u wont be buyin mythic

[night summit]

any benthic gear good for us?

[ember rover]

Check pins.

[median sand]

At what # of mobs is using knives over mut advantageous in m+ with EB traits?

[raw gull]

uwulating tides

[vapid scarab]

it depends how many EB traits @median sand

[median sand]

running 2 eb, 2 ss rn

[vapid scarab]

3 targets you FoK >mut

[median sand]

solid, forgot to mention, 0 dd traits

ty for your help!

[vagrant wigeon]

https://i.imgur.com/EvdAkR3.jpg

[mental summit]

that's how my setup looks except there's only one monitor and one PC

[spice cloak]

ewe one montitor

[vagrant wigeon]

[night summit]

benthic gear crit boots or other boot with socket is best?

[lone junco]

benthic crit boots with socket

short of that sim the gear compare on raidbots.

[night summit]

yeah i simmed it thanks for the reply.

[tribal marlin]

Subter sim equal to MA for me, I have 0 SS trait

[civic palm]

Yep, got 420 SS/DD helm, SUB in raids woo.

[vapid scarab]

sub is way more fun

[spice cloak]

agreed

[tribal marlin]

The funiest thing is that, swaping 1 DD+TC for 1 SS+DD is a loss for me

but subter without even a single SS sim same than MA xD

[civic palm]

Probably OP?

[tribal marlin]

both have it

[civic palm]

mm

Within the margin of error?

like .7%

?

[tribal marlin]

0.05 margin of error

[civic palm]

Ye thinking of something else.

Either way, under 1%

?

[tribal marlin]

oh yes far under 1%

[civic palm]

Would be pretty whack otherwise.

[tribal marlin]

under 0.1%

[civic palm]

heh

[tribal marlin]

MA devalue crit a lot too

wierd since I have like 1/60 uptime on MA buff

[civic palm]

Little weird.

[tribal marlin]

well 1/40 actualy

[strange python]

the 385 with a socket benthic boots are a 500 dps upgrade over my 425 with a socket boots

[civic palm]

Yeah.

[strange python]

lol

hopefully blizz starts giving pearl world quests again so i can upgrade them a bit quicker

[tribal marlin]

So tired of farming pearl

more than 900 right now

[spice cloak]

yeah quick way to burn out

[tribal marlin]

I need 200 more and i'm done

[rancid bobcat]

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[civic palm]

...

[cosmic pier]

cmon you cant link that image without link the clip https://www.twitch.tv/xqcow/clip/PlumpHelplessSnakeWholeWheat?filter=clips&range=7d&sort=time

[civic palm]

[harsh sphinx]

[tribal marlin]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vRvZpxGaGMBnorNtu9neMC

here the sim btw (was not on computer)

exact same dps with subter/MA

[ember rover]

You got worldvein set to 3.

[tribal marlin]

I don't use worldvein anyway

[ember rover]

So it doesn't affect the sim if you don't have the essence equipped?

[tribal marlin]

I don't think so

why would it change the value of subter or MA ?

[ember rover]

Oh, I`m not saying it would change.

Just something I saw, I don't think it should change it.

[tribal marlin]

ye was just testing stuff with worldvein earlier

appears to be 0.3% upgrade with 5 and 0.3% loss with 3

but I won't play worldvein because I don't want to play major lucid

[ember rover]

Worldvein is kind of garbage in actual fight.

We tried it during our run and had like 50% uptime on it on some pulls.

Most likely cause we're ranged heavy and had only 3 melees

But still, I don't like it at all.

[tribal marlin]

same

and I don't like Lucid neither so

I mean major Lucid

with major Lucid you are litterally spamming to not overcap energy for like 30sec each vendetta

maybe even more with BL

And if you have to manage any boss mechanic during this time, the trait loose a lot of value

[ember rover]

Don't talk about doing mechanics over here, people shout at you if you say most fights are not patchwerk

[civic palm]

They're not!

[ember rover]

But mooooooooooom

[subtle tundra]

can someone tell me what i do when i play with subterfuge on blackwater behemoth

to get a good opener...

[vapid scarab]

i garrotted the fish and then prayed the raid kill it in less than 3s to step garrote the boss

[subtle tundra]

wasnt in los to step the boss

:/

[vapid scarab]

try to step a tank then idk

[rancid bobcat]

maybe just stay in stealth, grab buff, then open on boss

if theyre really killing it that fast

[ember rover]

I personally just go on boss with my opener and then go pickup the buff after opener.

You got like 5-10 before you die.

[civic palm]

LET THE FUUUUUUUN BEGIN

@lone junco OI, OI OI OI OI OI

[rancid bobcat]

thanks i hate it

what essences were those simmed with

[lone junco]

Oi wut

Hrrmm

CRIT TIME

Exang. Wut

[civic palm]

BRING IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

WOOOOOOOOOOO

[rancid bobcat]

has to be with lucid right

[lone junco]

Why's that a thing.

High crit means low mastery? Means small dd?

[civic palm]

I assume it's this -

[lone junco]

Or high crit means monster ep uptime.

[ember rover]

They're not those.

[civic palm]

Iris is close

[ember rover]

It's subterfuge.

[rancid bobcat]

why is worldvein popping up everywhere

[civic palm]

It was always there.

IIRC.

[rancid bobcat]

i mean

are people actually using it

[ember rover]

Because worldvein sims great in PATCHWERK

And fights are simmed patchwerk.

[lone junco]

Maybe with boots and high crit your haste drops and exang is back on the table.

Idk.

[civic palm]

Haste drops already even with Lucid_M

[lone junco]

Right.

[civic palm]

This also uses the Crit waist

[rancid bobcat]

doesn't shroud+exang always show up high on the charts

[lone junco]

Weird to see the combo not use subterfuge. Must be a mistake.

[rancid bobcat]

it was like right below DD previously

[lone junco]

Sure.

[civic palm]

Yeah there's maybe some weirdness here.

[ember rover]

A bit is an understatement.

[civic palm]

o _o

Though this makes sense as IIRC the scenario there is basically waves of adds.

So CT is fine.

[lone junco]

I love bbi and swirling on top though.

[civic palm]

Ye

[lone junco]

Is the crit boot in the combo?

[ember rover]

Something is definitely off.

Doesn't Coral put trinkets on 30s CD?

It was simmed with Coral + Font

[civic palm]

Should, might?

It's a 20sec CD so I wish it didn't.

[ember rover]

Then there's no way that the sims are correct if that's the case.

[lone junco]

I'm all for 45% crit and lucid driving E

[civic palm]

Depends on where they use them.

[lone junco]

Got a 420 dagger from world boss.

Isn't that some shit

Buddy is so far behind though.

[civic palm]

This values Crit and Vers so fucking much.

[chrome summit]

which consumable pot(s) do i use?

wowhead and icyveins are different

[civic palm]

Use what SIMs better for you.

Not AGI.

[chrome summit]

ahh ok. i tried simcraft the other day but was having error issues.

[ember rover]

Default Trinket usage: Use on cooldown.

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=azsharas_font_of_power
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=ashvanes_razor_coral,if=debuff.razor_coral_debuff.down|debuff.vendetta.remains>10|target.time_to_die<20

Sim is using both trinkets at the same time.

[civic palm]

nice

[ember rover]

Not nice.

SInce it's flawed.

[chrome summit]

a basic answer is fine unless theyre actually close 😛

[ember rover]

I don't have both trinkets, so I can't test, but if Coral puts Font on CD, and the other way around, the current sims are flawed.

[civic palm]

Running a test now, will see.

[lone junco]

@civic palm Well. I think the Condensed life force haste stack + lucid minor + vigor is enough.

kit is running benthic boots.

pumps crit value.

[civic palm]

I do think that CLF is giving is shit ton of haste.

[lone junco]

10% when stacked.

[civic palm]

Way more than enough with Lucid_m

[lone junco]

subterfuge is default

[civic palm]

I mean, it's a 3min CD > _>

mmm

[lone junco]

there is no MA alternate in the azerite list

there should be.

so DD is low because it is subterfuge

yeah. the chart is missing a combination

MA is in the essence combo. but Exang isnt.

Exang is in the azerite combo, but MA isnt.

but lol at this shit

[dire spoke]

put it in tcresearch

[ember rover]

That's 200% not correct.

Since I just checked the sim and it uses both trinkets at the same time.

[civic palm]

It is using it at extremely high NRG.

Though I am not sure that matters 100%

[lone junco]

some double use can happen. I dont have them.

[ember rover]

People reporting that coral triggers 30s trinket CD.

[civic palm]

and exactly 20seconds after Coral usage.

[lone junco]

so Idk.

[analog glade]

Hmm

I have Trinket Azshara and Mecha too

[civic palm]

hmmm

[lone junco]

lol rip MA

[civic palm]

Yeah I do believe so.

[lone junco]

it is dogshit with enough crit stack.

[thick wigeon]

Does our nature damage scale up from DH brand or monk phys dmg debuff? I would assume DH but someone was telling me it was monk.

[civic palm]

God damnit that cropping.

lol

[civic palm]

oobby

Fuckkkme

[lone junco]

anywah. with 40%-60% crit, who needs 3sec of 50%

rip MA.

[civic palm]

Pretty much.

[dire spoke]

but

[analog glade]

Just i think, Garrot > Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Azshar Trinket > Vendetta > TB > Vanish > Envenom ?

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[civic palm]

!guide

[dire spoke]

with exsa you want haste again, so we're kinda running circles until finding the sweet spot

[civic palm]

I am still on the boat of using Font before combat > _>"

[lone junco]

since E is high from lucid minor and CLF, and crit is boosted from boots, then you dont need as much haste to maintain E.

Big Crit Dongers

seli has the jump on it though. with like 11 sockets crit.

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

I feelz the feely.

[dire spoke]

yeah have fun getting that gear until next ID

[civic palm]

You can get the crit.

[ember rover]

Honestly feeling like something is flawed here.

Gonna wait a bit before making changes.

[dire spoke]

noobe is just tired

[lone junco]

Blightborne + swirling + Font raw crit. + sockets + belt

yeah. its 1am. im still at work.

[dire spoke]

[lone junco]

and i think im a prot pally main now.

so w/e

r i p

we had 2 tanks and 3 heals quit in the last 6 months.

[civic palm]

Anyway, SIMC doesn't use the trinkets at the same time, though there's maybe some collision there.

Also IIRC it doesn't support channeling Font precombat.

[lone junco]

I dont think trinkets make or break this.

[civic palm]

So, w/e.

and yeah nothing about them changes this at all.

I won't be in this channel for all of tomorrow.

O _O"

[analog glade]

Exsang come back ?

[civic palm]

Nope.

Potentially.

AFTER you have Lifeforce 3 though.

[dire spoke]

its back up miz

[civic palm]

Fuck explaining this to people :3

[dire spoke]

oh god

[lone junco]

yeah. just let the logs do the work.

[dire spoke]

its using subt

ITS USING SUBT

[civic palm]

SUB was already on fights with more than 1 target.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

btw. I cant wait for the KR logs with the mech stat trinket

[civic palm]

Nothing really changes there.

Lasers.

pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew pew

[dire spoke]

is that your argument for a ST fight?

lol

[civic palm]

What ST fight? o _O

[dire spoke]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/azerite-levels/1t-t24-assassination

[civic palm]

Eel MAYBE

[lone junco]

the jelly fish that rapes the tanks

[dire spoke]

wtf happened

over night

[civic palm]

That happened like 30min ago.

Welcome to w/e this is now.

Expect some changes within 24hrs though since it's kinda weight to look at.

_>

weird*

Also ima multi-dot the shit out of those brainbois.

OUR UNIFIED RAID | M+ FUTURE STRIDES EVER CLOSER TO REALITY.

[dire spoke]

this fucks up all my gear

literally

[civic palm]

I am sure your gear is fine :3

[lone junco]

can you even get 3 BBI?

[civic palm]

I think you can get 2 at an OK level.

[lone junco]

stats

[civic palm]

you only want 1 anyway

and yeah, crit | vers all the way

[dire spoke]

[ember rover]

You say crit + vers, yet the sims are simmed with heavy haste

Gear Summary

gear_ilvl=444.56

gear_agility=7037

gear_stamina=13494

gear_crit_rating=1021

gear_haste_rating=1506

gear_mastery_rating=1156

gear_versatility_rating=317

gear_armor=2886

1.5k haste in the sims.

I`m telling you, something is wrong.

[lone junco]

is that the profile kit?

with belt

[civic palm]

One of the dumb things is...

this has no SS

but has SUB.

Which is FINE.

But weird.

[lone junco]

guess that means it is the raw damage.

[civic palm]

and the gear can have w/e stats it has the essences are generating "haste" and vers.

[icy pollen]

what benthic armor should i go for?

[civic palm]

Haste in some very real cases, fake haste in others.

[dire spoke]

this is madness

[ember rover]

I can't wait for someone to spot the mistakes and then all of this gets swept under the rug 😄

[hazy iron]

I'm so confused

[ember rover]

It doesn't make sense.

[lone junco]

kits have always been close

like 1-3%

bis kits vs flopped 2nd bis

[civic palm]

Yep.

[lone junco]

10% haste from CLF. and Crit pump boots. and Lucid E all lines up

All haste is, is energy anyway

haste was never damage

[civic palm]

With the added haste and crit even two kinda phat Garrotes is better without SS.

[ember rover]

Haste is autoattack damage.

More autos - more poisons.

[civic palm]

o _o

PSN dmg is poor.

Last I checked.

[ember rover]

It's still SOMETHING

[lone junco]

so once E is high without Haste, you can do crit/mastery with the same number of secondaries.

Exang was energy as well

tick rates.

[lone junco]

fake haste is still real.

[civic palm]

Very real.

[lone junco]

my hpal fake hastes up to 101% without lust

can you believe that shit.

like PEWPEW

[dire spoke]

subterfuge without SS will be fun to get that muscle memory

[lone junco]

MA dies when your crit is high enough i guess.

legion I stopped using shoulders cause we had 75% mut crit anyway.

[civic palm]

Crit/Vers yeah.

Crit moreso.

[dire spoke]

so we kinda have a crit breakpoint now

[lone junco]

probably yeah.

you need enough E sources to make the swap

[civic palm]

Do also note with more Crit haste/energy generation is devalued as we use fewer MUTs to generate CP > _>"

But that's... a LITTLE far off?

Pretty far, really.

[dire spoke]

devalues DD

[lone junco]

that one surprises me.

[dire spoke]

at a far end

[civic palm]

Well you have to be GCD locked and on enough targets to generate the energy you need while ALSO being in a situation that dictates that you use MUT to generate and not FoK.

Pretty narrow.

[lone junco]

Id like to see the sim with CLF/Lucid+Blood oTE minor.

[civic palm]

without SS

[lone junco]

with some of the stat based azerites like sand/bbi

[dire spoke]

http://i.imgur.com/K1DRdRZ.gif

me rn

[civic palm]

eg. garrote and DP instant change places

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[lone junco]

then see what the crit rates look like

[civic palm]

better

[dire spoke]

good that we had corals drop and the rogues passed because hurrdurr herodamage

[civic palm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

this does use Font 20sec after Coral.

[analog glade]

For play with builld exsangue we need 450 ilvl ? xD

[lone junco]

525

[civic palm]

but pushing it 10 seconds down the line...

does nothing

O _O"

[dire spoke]

pooling

its like

[lone junco]

4.1 sec pool is awfully specific

[dire spoke]

playing with alacrity again

[lone junco]

like that goes with the trinket. but they arent aligned.

[dire spoke]

waiting for EP to drop

[civic palm]

looks like the reporting publishing pooling pretty specifically now

[lone junco]

thats where you run out, high five the hunters and step back.

[dire spoke]

dude I think its waiting for EP to drop, like we did in Legion

[lone junco]

So when you dont have the fake haste, you gonna be dry.

[analog glade]

fffff 😢

[lone junco]

people think it is slow now,

[civic palm]

There's the prior finisher to the pooling

8 seconds

[lone junco]

Opener is bang bang bang, then dribble drip of e waiting for a lucid proc.

fake haste bros.

[civic palm]

WEEWOO

PROBLEM DETECTED

[jade fjord]

hey guys, new to asassination, how accurate is the opener for MA on ravenholdt?

[civic palm]

POOR ATM

COME BACK LATER

[jade fjord]

and where should I use the cyclotronic blast as a priority?

[civic palm]

JK it's fine

[jade fjord]

and blood*

I guess

[lone junco]

apl will refresh rupture in tb.

[civic palm]

Use Cyclo when you won't cap energy and outside of Vendetta, Lucid Major, and TB.

[lone junco]

(pretty sure)

[jade fjord]

do you guys play lucid major or blood? should I sim it?

[civic palm]

Refreshing it is fine, not getting 2 ENVs?

o _O

[rigid wyvern]

FeelsBadMan spent 325 pearls and no frost dmg wrists with socket yet. All the others got socket multiple times.

[lone junco]

when your E is empty. you dont get to do shit

lol high crit low haste build inc.

waiting for the juice to roll in.

[civic palm]

ow ow ow ow ow

[lone junco]

I love this shit.

[dire spoke]

no, never sim

[lone junco]

cause you can run out dance around shit stains, run back and never miss a beat

tick tick tick tick tick. and gogogogogogo

[dire spoke]

I mean

[civic palm]

O _O

soSpecific

[nimble tartan]

🐒

[lone junco]

@nimble tartan LOL

it stays vanished.

just to hold the MA crit?

[civic palm]

2 MINUTES AFTER THE FIRST USAGE

[nimble tartan]

idk I don’t have the item lmao

[opal minnow]

it doesnt pull out of stealth

[lone junco]

just chill in MA. doo doo doo.

[civic palm]

I can see abusing the BotE crit being a thing.

[lone junco]

100% stacked crit.

[hazy iron]

what? mine pulls me out of stealth

[opal minnow]

ive used mine prepull several times and not been pulled out

[civic palm]

It has 2min between Coral usages but seems to not line it up with anything?

[hazy iron]

as soon as someone in your party is in combat, you'll get pulled out

[civic palm]

I mean this is fine

hello?

[dire spoke]

dude

we get it

[civic palm]

no wait, I found the usage

[hazy iron]

actually not even, I just used my trinket in stealth, pulled me out

[civic palm]

makse sense.

[dire spoke]

lol

[hazy iron]

maybe it was broken before

[civic palm]

Problem is neither of these activations made any sense > ,<

[dire spoke]

the APL is never not broken

[civic palm]

Fact

[lone junco]

w/e whip out the logs on Tue. lets see the dongers.

[civic palm]

Meebee.

[dire spoke]

I need to raid azshara tonight

re-sim everything

help

no

[civic palm]

Nothing really changed.

SUB or MA w/e.

[lone junco]

all damage you deal is increased by 5% for 6 sec.

[civic palm]

Guardian is just further ahead than before.

BiS ST traits are the same.

[dire spoke]

I should actually go subt for that fight, you can go bonkers on multi

[narrow lagoon]

mastery simming higher than me

is that normal

[civic palm]

Yep.

[dire spoke]

@civic palm wdym the same

I have 3 DD 2 NP

[lone junco]

har har har

[dire spoke]

that's not what I read from the tables

[civic palm]

2 NP over the TTK or BBI is probably w/e

Frankly.

[dire spoke]

whats that 49k table

[civic palm]

Abusing SS+SUB will always be better though.

[dire spoke]

oh default

thats blood+lucid or

[sullen sphinx]

how shaky are the sims right now

aka how much should i be trusting it

[civic palm]

To be TOTALLY honest I don't know what Essences that chart uses.

[nimble tartan]

I’m rioting against warcraftlogs until benthic is removed bro

[civic palm]

Fuckin who knows.

[dire spoke]

I guess 2

[civic palm]

Probably 3rd?

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[nimble tartan]

Destroy benthic forever bro

Please blizzard fuckin just do it

Save me

[civic palm]

NO MWUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[dire spoke]

this is painful

fk

[civic palm]

?

o _O

[dire spoke]

I can't even sim that many iterations

to get my top gear

[civic palm]

What's your holdup? I have like 10min.

[dire spoke]

I can do 11m

[civic palm]

Probably overdoing it.

[dire spoke]

problem is when I want to swap to SS I need to also do socket+enchants

which is loads

[civic palm]

Your stats are that different?

[dire spoke]

well that's what I need to find out right

[civic palm]

They're not.

[dire spoke]

probably too less crit like with MA

meh

[civic palm]

More crit with dropping MA for SUB.

Mastery and Vers are the same, Haste is close to them if you have Guardian.

If you don't have a BBI Crit is worth more.

[ember rover]

So checking combinations, MA is still #1

[lone junco]

our ret that hasnt raided since Legion got the coral trinket titainforged.

neat.

[civic palm]

1% is effectively a tie.

and since almost no fights are purely ST, even moreso.

[lone junco]

was just looking through the armory. and we have 3x coral. 1x. dribbling inkpod (bis for dh)

[civic palm]

It's like 1.2% but that's with THIS gear.

[dire spoke]

I don't understand how MA is #1 when the sims use subt for everything and SS is the top pick for ST

tbh

[civic palm]

Exactly, reason why people think somethings a little weird.

[ember rover]

Well, everything points to something being wrong with sims.

[lone junco]

they have always been close.

maybe.

[civic palm]

Things were close, who knows now > _>

I do still think that without SS, SUB is still better than MA.

[nimble tartan]

NO MORE BENTHIC

[lone junco]

maybe they will be a combined 12% gap like DH were at one point.

[civic palm]

heh

[ember rover]

Also, MA performs better in non-patchwerk fight.

SInce your burst is frontloaded.

[lone junco]

I like benthic, cause I got socketed boots 2nd try.

on an alt I dont play

[icy pollen]

what potion do you guys use?

[ember rover]

@icy pollen most cases Unbridled Fury

[civic palm]

UF is safe ye.

[icy pollen]

kk ty

[lone junco]

they fix the crit trinket yet?

or is it still capping at 5%?

[dire spoke]

warcraftlogs is trolling right

[ember rover]

How so?

[civic palm]

Depends on whatcha meaaaaaaan

[dire spoke]

https://i.snag.gy/Wnfoav.jpg

[ember rover]

Just go and manually check :d

[dire spoke]

yeah but I'm lazy

[ember rover]

That's Azshara, right?

[dire spoke]

yeah

wait

[civic palm]

WCL has had some whackiness going on.

[dire spoke]

there's literally no info in summary

[civic palm]

Whelp GL, that's my 10min. 👋

[lone junco]

false alarm. dd at 10%

thats a lot

[civic palm]

ha

Quite.

[dire spoke]

lol

I can't view it like you do

[lone junco]

keeping an eye on this number though.

gdi. that was an hour.

[dire spoke]

well maybe I'll get a 455 azshara tonight

fuck that coral

[ember rover]

Coral + Inkpod tho

Inkpod dmg can crit.

So you can fish for a crit with coral.

[dire spoke]

no, I like channeling as melee

fk u

[ember rover]

I mean.

[dire spoke]

lmao

[ember rover]

Listen, if you get Azshara + Mecha trinket + Focusing Iris

You have 3 channels 😄

[acoustic atlas]

Why is MA so garbage https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/L295nyVRVDgXsDZRCUcrS

[dire spoke]

5 allies kek

[acoustic atlas]

not running it kek

[nimble tartan]

Hey guys giving out tips from a top all star player tip #1 no more benthic

[onyx rock]

benthic gear is stupid af

i hate it

[ember rover]

I love it.

I hope they increase cap to 440

Makes people do stuff in Nazjatar

[onyx rock]

You mean braindead grinding ? yeah nice content

[nimble tartan]

honestly turn of benthic raid is 10x bettter

[onyx rock]

i want to kill mythic bosses for my bis gear and not stupid rares on 5 chars

[analog glade]

World of rng

[jade fjord]

what is the opener I should be following with MA? the one on icy veins or the one on ravenholdt

also where do my major essences/cyclotronic go? crucible of flame sims the best for me

so should I use that on CD?

[acoustic atlas]

So like on my 2nd/4th vendetta MA is over-capped with razor coral.

[jade fjord]

and then cyclo outside of CD's / low energy?

[onyx rock]

the one in #tc-updates @jade fjord

...if you play with BotE

Otherwise the one on ravenholdt

your other question is pined in #wow-general

[jade fjord]

so it would be, mut>mut>rup>garrote>vend> mut>blood >vanish> env?

should I still play BotE even if crucible sims better?

[acoustic atlas]

Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Garrote -> Vendetta + On Uses > Toxic Blade > Blood of The Enemy > Vanish > Env > Mut > Env

[jade fjord]

mut rup mut really?

so it would be a low CP rupture

[ember rover]

It's a 2-4 CP rup.

With MA.

[jade fjord]

ah okay gotcha

Thanks for the help bois

my raid leader says I can't only play outlaw eye roll

[ember rover]

Outlaw for raids is monkaS

[jade fjord]

I just like being a pirate

and I also have a gambling problem

more so the first of course.

[ember rover]

Yea, you like gambling your raiding spot? :))

[jade fjord]

😉

living life on the edge babyy

luckily my raiders like tasting the floor too much for me to get benched

[narrow lagoon]

why is my focusing iris simming higher than lucid dreams in major

[ember rover]

It's not?

[narrow lagoon]

it is

for some reason

[ember rover]

Where?

I don't see it simming better than the garbage essences.

[stray ivy]

what major are most people using in m+

[ember rover]

Always Focusing Iris, so far.

It's dumb how good Iris is.

[spice cloak]

what rank though

[ember rover]

Any rank

Rank 1 Focusing Iris is better than any rank 3 in M+

[spice cloak]

hrm just picked up rank one few min ago

[vapid scarab]

I mean r2 is basically free as well

[stray ivy]

nice

[spice cloak]

probably just banged a 6

7 should be ez

ouch sims a lot less. guess it plays better in practice i guess

[ember rover]

Are you focusing Single target or?

Ofc Iris is kind of shit in single target.

[spice cloak]

i havent used it yet. just seeing it simmed atm

[ember rover]

Are you simming single target?

Sim 5+ targets.

[spice cloak]

oh maybe

dungeon slice?

[ember rover]

Yes.

[spice cloak]

ah there we go +3k

[pastel sandal]

!wa

[prisma monolith]

Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)

[steel wagon]

so is everyone using subterfuge instead of MA now?

[pastel sandal]

did we ever use anything else?

[ember rover]

Not gonna use it unless at least 1-2% ahead of MA.

[nimble tartan]

😒

[steel wagon]

it seems to be quite a bit ahead for my sims

im simming at like 34700 without and 35200 with

[vapid scarab]

@ember rover that's not really the smartest way to look at that

since sub gains a lot more value anytime there's even 1 secondary target

[ember rover]

That's not a good way to look at what optimal damage is, though.

[steel wagon]

if we are using subterfuge wouldnt it make sense to use SS traits then?

[vapid scarab]

there's 2 bosses in the entire raid that don't have a second target at some point

[ember rover]

If you were to SIM SS on Uunat, you'd get somewhere around 12-15% more dmg with subterfuge and Shrouded suffocation.

Yet, nobody ran SS on uunat.

[vapid scarab]

js, if it sims even with MA, you gain nothing by not running it

[raven locust]

Because its mostly pad damage, boss was more important

[vapid scarab]

and you gain something by running it

[ember rover]

What spatula said.

I don't care about adds where I can pad, I leave the padding to the spriests.

I care about killing bosses.

[vapid scarab]

ok but if SS sims more on a 1 target patchwerk sim

and you aren't running it because it isn't 1-2% higher, seems kinda contradicting

[ember rover]

Where?

[vapid scarab]

yes, link a generic simc profile stack

[red dagger]

could someone explain when exactly to use lucid dreams, is it after ven or during?

[vapid scarab]

the situation brought up earlier was people having SS sim higher for them on ST, and you stepped in

[steel wagon]

it looks like subterfuge is only better until u get 3 essence, since MA is so fucking good with rank 3 condensed?

[raven locust]

After vendetta when you drop to 50 energy

[red dagger]

tyty

[ember rover]

That situation is counting for having 2 on use trinkets up at the same time.

I`d like to see you doing that on live.

[vapid scarab]

what are you even talking about

nobody said anything about trinkets nor linked any sim with them

[steel wagon]

the sims on herodamage are using 2x on use arent they

[vapid scarab]

ok, and simc takes the trinket CD into account when simming double on use

not sure why that's relevant

[ember rover]

From the sim:

Default Trinket usage: Use on cooldown.

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=azsharas_font_of_power
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=ashvanes_razor_coral,if=debuff.razor_coral_debuff.down|debuff.vendetta.remains>10|target.time_to_die<20

[vapid scarab]

use on cooldown

[ember rover]

And if you check the sim, it has them overlapped.

By 10s.

They are both up.

Which is NOT possible in reality.

[vapid scarab]

you're still looking at a generic profile over actual people

why is that relevant

[ember rover]

You know what, yea you're right.

[vapid scarab]

if sub sims higher for you on ST then it sims higher

and since you "care about killing bosses", it's silly to put some arbitrary % that it has to be ahead by in order for you to use it

especially considering sub is the far easier and brainless talent to use

[ember rover]

If you care about killing bosses, you sim light movement, chief.

[vapid scarab]

you never sim movement at all lol

movement makes sims do wonky things that players don't do

[ember rover]

Yea, cause you don't ever have downtime.

[raven locust]

I don't know who SS+Sub would sim higher for to be honest, its quite a bit below for me with BiS SS traits

[vapid scarab]

I mean, it sims 20 dps lower for me

I'm going to take sub at that point

[raven locust]

Are you using crit boots with MA?

[ember rover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6tMZPk24WhXzxDGH#fight=3&type=casts&source=63

[vapid scarab]

don't have socketed ones

[ember rover]

The most patchewerk fight this tier.

Check how many windows of downtime.

[raven locust]

X3 DD, 1 Vendetta 1 Blight 1 TTK with crit boots

[ember rover]

" Why would you sim light movement "

[vapid scarab]

what are you even talking about man

[ember rover]

You know what, again you're right.

[vapid scarab]

movement in sims makes sims do stupid things that players don't do

they aren't a good metric to base anything off of

[ember rover]

ANd playing perfectly and having 100% uptime on boss is a good metric? 😃

Heh.

[vapid scarab]

it's the best we have

[ember rover]

It's really not.

[vapid scarab]

unless you want to make a specific APL for every boss that comes out

[ember rover]

No, you literally just sim light movement.

It's FAR closer to reality than Patchwerk will ever be.

[empty tide]

imo, its better to know what would you do playing perfect than put some random movements to try to simulate real fights

[vapid scarab]

ok well enjoy your realism while your sim runs around away from the boss during your TB window

players don't do that

[ember rover]

Yea, they stay on boss and die to the mechanic that they're supposed to run away from.

[vapid scarab]

no, they don't use TB and then run away from the boss

[ember rover]

I mean, I also placed gold puddles on Oppulence cause I had vendetta up.

[vapid scarab]

if they have a mechanic they sit on TB

sims do not do that

and are not a good metric because of stuff like that

[empty tide]

and light movement is so randomic, not even change between fights

[ember rover]

How do you plan for a random mechanic that targets people at random? 😃

[vapid scarab]

watch timers?

[empty tide]

you prepare for good rng, you adapt on bad rng

thats it

[dense cedar]

what are we talking about?

[vapid scarab]

"simming for light movement is more realistic and a better metric than patchwerk"

but the thing is what the sim does is so random that it just doesn't even make sense

[dense cedar]

sim for patchwerk to see numbers then compare against ur parse and percentile is how i usually checked

[empty tide]

light movement could be a thing if it was boss based

[vapid scarab]

yes, like I said if you made a specific APL for every boss

[empty tide]

but its just random movements on the simulation time, literally theres no basis

and you should be prepared to do the most dps on that RNJesus try

[dense cedar]

oh btw i just got back to the game, did they nerf shrouded suffocation at some point?

[raven locust]

The trait got nerfed a long long time ago but yes

[dense cedar]

ah ok

[empty tide]

yeah just the uldir nerf

[dense cedar]

i stopped playing in 8.0 lmao

[empty tide]

nerfed by 40%

[raven locust]

Yea thats around the time it got hit

[dense cedar]

rip

tbf is was kinda gross

[vapid scarab]

@ember rover back to your original point, the more downtime you have sub is also better than MA, js

[raven locust]

Yea it was insanely OP for Mythic+ too lol

[surreal halo]

I still like to keep one SS just for the combo points on opener...

[dense cedar]

Ss + sub op

[empty tide]

ye, i did uldir and mother before nerf

[dense cedar]

i still ahve 1 too

[empty tide]

was pumping like 50k on pull

with 350 ilvl

got lucky on my first weekly chest 385 SS

[dense cedar]

the vendetta power is nice

iirc its the same as the legion trait

[empty tide]

still the best cleave trait anyways so

[dense cedar]

Remember in Legion when poison bomb could only be seen by other rogues?

[empty tide]

remember when poison bomb actually did dmg

[surreal halo]

General approach now is like, get DD or Vendetta.

[raven locust]

Im glad PB isnt what it use to be, getting unlucky felt bad

[dense cedar]

Double dose is v. nice

[raven locust]

But it shouldnt be a 100 talent in its current state

[dense cedar]

worst M+ feeling was because the tank couldn't see it they would sometimes move the pull away from it as it landed

[surreal halo]

During legion, your entire output was based on how lucky your bomb proc was - so gross

[empty tide]

my only issue with DD is how you gotta mutilate on cleave fights to keep DDing

aside from that, its nice

[dense cedar]

i mean

FoK is a really depressing ability sometimes

[surreal halo]

The combo point generation RNG in FoK is depressing sometimes.

[dense cedar]

yeah

it would be gross with Assassin kit if it worked like Sub

but i kidna wish it did

[surreal halo]

RIP sub 😭

[empty tide]

i mean, the M+ build is a sub look alike

have you ever tried

crit stacking TTK Echoing SS

[dense cedar]

lmao

[empty tide]

just FoK envenom, sub style

except on larger packs, where you dont finish at all

just for EB

[dense cedar]

I still haven't done operation mechagon

i should get on that

wanna replace the versatility yellow card I have

[surreal halo]

It's really fun

[dense cedar]

I need more mastery

It seems really cool

[surreal halo]

Would definitely recommend

[empty tide]

that trinket active is pumping

i think its gonna get nerfed again

[dense cedar]

Lucid dreams major is fun to use

[surreal halo]

Yeah, it's amazing

[dense cedar]

makes it feel like late legion energy regen but better

[empty tide]

the minor is insane too

rotation feels smooth

[dense cedar]

is there a better major for assassin?

[surreal halo]

There is a tasty sweet spot in your opener during Vendetta where you get get starved and it fills it so nicely

[dense cedar]

cos Lucid is defs the minor i want to use

[empty tide]

i mean, condensed will take over on rank 3 for almost all classes

so we should be using lucid and the expedition ones as minor