Donig all AP WQ's and Daylies... its a pain to fish for perls on 3 Chars too every day
#assassination
onyx rock
cobalt pelican
if you were going to do that you might aswell just accept bad dps on the inconseequential weeks (now) and dump pearls later
onyx rock
Wow becoming a 24/7 job even more now
Was super hyped that LW give sockets now. But now we need benthic boots
placid dawn
sucks that I never got a piece with blightborne 😦
vital raptor
cobalt pelican
tbh it wouldn't be so bad if basically all the slots weren't required
stable oxide
I got the pufferfish bracers with a socket
should I go for the frost once still?
Or is the difference minimal?
acoustic atlas
It was like 100dps less for me
cobalt pelican
if you have other benthic pieces to go for still i'd recommend just upgrading the pufferfish ones
ori IS better but they're n ot miles apart
tropic ocean
btw you should always sim ur benthic
for me 400 socketed frost dmg bracer sim higher than 415 socketed bod ones 😃
strange python
Been aiming for socketed aberation belt... only have socketed shell belt T_T
cobalt pelican
i coulda probably told you that without simming, that's why benthic is so disgusting
385 socketed is probably better than the gear some people hit the patch with
strange python
But gorgonzola (Orgoagoaoaoa) is ez 
coarse lichen
I just went through 20 boots trying to get a socket. Got socket on all the others but not the ones I wanted. Giving up for now
cobalt pelican
i don't think i'd bother aiming for a socketed abberation belt tbh
acoustic atlas
Yeah 400s were better then my 425 non-benthic. Benthic is the future lol
cobalt pelican
losing a socket on orogozoa/zaqul isn't really a big deal
or should i say, i doubt it should be close to the top of your priority list
it'd be nice to have, i guess
wild edge
is (3x) eb still good in m+ ? since there is no reaping
acoustic atlas
I got the socketed belt last. I only really wanted it for mythic prog. Heroic is kinda a joke until last boss.
young portal
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cosmic pier
rogue + 2 alts worth of funnel and still not having boots 
plz nerf boots blizz so i can stop this madness
tropic ocean
farm all the alts
wild edge
i just took the boots without the socket
stray ivy
can sin beat outlaw i m+ now
cosmic pier
its not about beating raw numbers
vapid scarab
It could before to
cosmic pier
its about what type of damage you need
stray ivy
why is raider io mostly still outlaws
cosmic pier
easier to gear and play
stray ivy
ahh, which ones do i want for m+ still the same as s2?
tropic ocean
yes
vapid scarab
2eb/2ss/2ttk
stray ivy
thx
vapid scarab
Maybe even drop to 1eb for 3ttk
stray ivy
mkay
imo i hate the entire trait system. Essences are cool tho.
random traits on gear and what not
tropic ocean
opulence helm/phantomstalker shoulder/cephalohide/vest of indomitable will
combo that basically works every dugneon
dungeon*
vapid scarab
Yeah let’s use 420 gear
stray ivy
LO
cosmic pier
irontide is a good head piece for sin
stray ivy
mechagon has some eb/tk/ss peices but only 420
tropic ocean
who cares
best ilvl is the one you can get
and eb/ttk/ss will outperform 430 pieces with other traits anyway
stray ivy
true
tropic ocean
probably even 445
stray ivy
and then w/ that set i gotta stack crazy crit?
cosmic pier
yeah mainly crit. goal is to have just enough haste to be functional on bosses
tropic ocean
haste will be carried by op traits and lucid minor so bosses are not a problem anymore
stray ivy
for raids tho i do a cmpletely diff stats?
tropic ocean
for haste it heavily depends on ur gear
stray ivy
k
tropic ocean
but with lucid essence haste will not have good value either
stray ivy
i just got rank 3 lucid but i need 55 azerite i been slacking
tropic ocean
for atm in raid its 26 crit 16 haste 41 mastery 7 vers
stats are all over the place 😄
tropic ocean
lucid
misty tusk
idk, lucid rank 3 and my stats are within 0.5 of eachother
stray ivy
if you use lucid as major whcih minor
tropic ocean
sim it
cosmic pier
sim
tropic ocean
for me its focused iris
stray ivy
do dots count for that mechanic on iris minor
rigid mango
I think it does?
cosmic pier
idk
rigid mango
If I recall seli was saying it was while initially looking at the essences
stray ivy
earthquake does on ele
tropic ocean
im pretty sure it procs off casts/attacks
stray ivy
the ticks
rigid mango
I'm pretty sure seli said it procced off of bleeds
Yeah, test it
I may be wrong though
rigid mango
cosmic pier
jsut tested, nope
cosmic pier
pretty rare for dots to proc effects like that
tropic ocean
well it would be super busted
stray ivy
blood seems real good too
tropic ocean
it is, if u have a decent rank
scarlet sequoia
just afk epic bgs mate
shy dust
fresh ginkgo
queens court fight did you guys try to make sure you have dots up on both bosses?
vapid scarab
Ofc
vapid scarab
Why would you not
cobalt pelican
ie. st with vendetta, after it's over inbetween tbs i'd just step switch with full dots
stray ivy
rated BG's count, but the issue there is you acutally have to try as a rogue.
on my Shadow priest i just tab dot spam
they want me sitting flags and solo'ing 2 people
as Sin
vapid scarab
Yeah but the effort is still worth it
stray ivy
yeah its a ton of honor
vapid scarab
Just don’t cap energy and don’t do it during a vendetta/TB window and you’re losing nothing
cobalt pelican
the downtime without shadowstep is definitely not worth it they're like 10 trillion miles apart
arctic walrus
It's a lot of back and forth for very little gain, if you do it outside of important windows
lost horizon
Yeah gonna depend how far apart you tank them
vapid scarab
How is it not worth it if you lose nothing
vapid scarab
We aren’t a gcd capped spec
As long as you aren’t capping energy in the time you take to travel you lose absolutely nothing
tropic ocean
lol
arctic walrus
Plus, if you already have 2 target bleeds, your energy regen will come very close to cap
cobalt pelican
you will be capping energy quite hard with dots on 2 targets given 20yards travel on foot
especially if you're doing it to maintain deadly
cobalt pelican
i think 20 yards is teh minimum tanking distance too
some guilds do even further
and just split melee/ranged
tribal marlin
what unbound force proc off dots ?
arctic walrus
Just have priests grip you back and forth every 15 seconds
tribal marlin
I noticed it proc out off instant poison application but not off dot Oo
tropic ocean
also tell warlocks to put gates so u can gate between bosses
fresh ginkgo
interesting
waxen valve
20 yards just 2.5 gcd
arctic walrus
Speed build, of course
timber meadow
anyone hittin the 40k club yet
lost horizon
Stuck at 38 for now, feelsbadman
arctic walrus
I literally don't know what else I could do to sim higher than 38
lone junco
did you try getting a higher ilvl weapon?
arctic walrus
That one hurt 
lone junco
I got a 420 from the world boss. what a sad way to get an upgrade.
hot copper
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arctic walrus
Grinding out BotE 3 this weekend but that's still far away from 39
A worthwhile 57 minutes
runic basin
good evening, why does the macro: /cast [target=xxxxx] Tricks of the Trade not work?
strange python
lady assvane pog boss
timber meadow
for razorcoral trinket - what's the best way to use it in raid
lost horizon
@timber meadow check #tc-updates
placid knot
@runic basin I was having issues with Tricks not working and the reason was my punch card trinket had the blue neural silencer.
white harbor
@runic basin I could be wrong, but it seems to not work on tanks that have the punch card trinket equipped with the blue punch card "neutral silencer"
runic basin
thank you!
thick galleon
whats up with hc warfront?
fresh ginkgo
isnt lucid 3 better than bote3?
celest swan
loyal to the end is pretty decent fully stacked for us right?
stuck knoll
If there’s a few others in your raid using it it’s probably decent enough
sudden shell
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stuck knoll
Yeah but if you have any ss pieces you need to run sub or it’s basically a dead trait
inner leaf
yeah
my sim just said go with tradewinds with MA and forget about SS all together lol
stable oxide
Why does vision of perfection sim so low?
mighty elm
thats a yuge abyssal commander log
stable oxide
Theoretically speaking, woudn't that be really good with 3 NP?
scarlet sequoia
tf u killing the same boss 4 times for
mighty elm
boostin right now ^^
scarlet sequoia
aha
cosmic pier
you cracked 40k sim yet rise?
mighty elm
no 😦 39.65
ancient onyx
how the fuck are u simming almost 40k
mighty elm
big gears
ancient onyx
u have to have like 23827892732893 crit
cosmic pier
getting gear, must be nice
stuck knoll
@stable oxide the minor only serves to desync vanish and vend its super rare that the slight decrease will actually make up another vanish in a fight and you’ll just be holsing it for vanish anyway
That and the fact it’s just not doing as much damage even with 3 NP means it’s not gonna be run
ancient onyx
holy fuck those mechagon rings are broken
mighty elm
they are pretty strong 😄
ancient onyx
damn u got giga gear this week
cosmic pier
got this, just gotta pray for second half next week
ancient onyx
my guildies finished mechagon without me and pugs are unplayable in there 
scarlet sequoia
@cosmic pier how are you gonna heal someone mate
unless it works on yourself that seems a bit useless
sand whale
engineer shotgun!
obtuse quest
Hey can someone answer me a question? Why is some people using force multiplier on main hand and other in off hand ?
sand whale
probably their choice, my OH is force because it's also my outlaw OH makes things easier but it really doesn't matter
cosmic pier
its doesnt make a difference
stuck knoll
^ that’s really the only consideration to make with hands
obtuse quest
and is bis rn? i mean is must in one of the daggers?
lost horizon
sim to confirm, but it's strong yeah
lost horizon
gear compare in raidbots
cosmic pier
lost horizon
the pocket-sized trinket has dropdowns for the punchcards
inner leaf
oh thanks
vapid scarab
@Mikihisa#2838 it has like a 5s icd tho so it doesn’t really do much
Why the fuck doesn’t it ping
@tribal marlin
timber meadow
meanwhile im like just cracking 35k lol
timber escarp
Hi. I have question? How u spend ur CP? On 5 only or on 4-5?
vapid scarab
4-5
timber escarp
Thanks:)
quartz depot
why is muti rupture muti garrote a thing
frosty obsidian
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austere ruin
TB after vanish?
lone junco
@cosmic pier will be fun if your vial counts. and procs you something neat.
strange python
garrote-muti-rapture-vendetta+lurker+tb-muti (4cp atleast)-vanish-evnenom-muti-envenom
lone junco
I saw it for MA opener. and its probably fine. Cause mut crit with or without DD proc, rupture Mut crit with or without DD, garrote into the vanish round.
inner leaf
do you channel cyclonic blast during vendetta?
quartz depot
i dont know, raidbots told me that in one sim, and now in the new one it's back to normal
nvm
inner leaf
you mean on vanish xD
austere ruin
i mean, gar-mut-rapt-vendetta + lurker trink - TB - mut vanish -evenom -mut- evenom then focising iris
use focusing iris after your second MA crit window
timber meadow
vanish after TB?
strange python
no
channel cyclon after vendetta
right now u should use cyclon as filler
when you are out of cds and energy
inner leaf
sounds good
rigid sonnet
is rank 1 blood of the enemy worth using over rank 2 focused beam? sims like 2 k lower
strange python
because cyclone gets interrupted now when you use other abilities
austere ruin
ur saying vendentta + lurker - focsing iris then TB - mut vansih -evenom - mut
timber meadow
i dont understand why you're putting vanish in after your TB
strange python
for MA
timber meadow
why not focusing iris then vanish then TB-mut etc.
austere ruin
that's we just said
tropic ocean
but wouldnt u want to place 2 envenom in vanish
instead of 2 mut?
when u dont tb inside it
o_O
strange python
^
faint zealot
for m+ do you still go with 3x SF and EB or do you now use the poison build
tropic ocean
what is sf
strange python
ss
rigid sonnet
shrouded suffocation
faint zealot
and if you do use the ss* do you go exang?
strange python
ttk overrated
tropic ocean
lul
marble hemlock
faint zealot
rogue is 5th alt, limited supply of 415 az
I only have one piece with ttk, but that makes me have to take scent of blood or unstable catalyst as 2nd tier
still worth having it?
rigid sonnet
is rank 1 blood of the enemy worth using over rank 2 focused beam? sims like 2 k lower
tropic ocean
@faint zealot its very dependant against which other piece
like what are your other options
strange python
pogchamp i beat yoda on ashvane 
faint zealot
what would the absolute ideal trait combo be for m+ then
1eb and 1ttk and then what?
would you go ss or more ttk
pseudo hamlet
@faint zealot personally I'm going for 3xEB, 2xSS and 1xTTK
tropic ocean
ttk super good with void shit
rigid sonnet
for raid, single target mainly @strange python
strange python
personally i'd use lucid major and worldvein minor
untill u have rank3 life-force
strange python
is that HC?
civic palm
o k
strange python
private logs?
mighty elm
yea 😦
strange python
rip
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tropic ocean
rise padmaster
mighty elm
💪
warm cave
Best pot still focused resolve? I read somewhere that it had been nerfed yesterday
mighty elm
fire is better
warm cave
sweet good to know
strange python
i use unbridled fury
austere ruin
@rise which potion u use on pre-pot and re-pot?
mighty elm
fire always
austere ruin
what's the potion called?
mighty elm
[Potion of Unbridled Fury]
strange python
unbridled fury
austere ruin
oh fury haha
strange python
it does fire damage
faint zealot
but you still go toxic blade for m+ then?
rapid dew
hey guys. just a quick answer in between. whats the fastest way to obtain daggers to specc on assasination?
strange python
world quests
rapid dew
im 405 with the outlaw. cuz currently now weapons are dropped? what else? m+? any farm thing up?
inner tree
that's def normal
austere ruin
@RISE where did u get your red punch card?
rapid dew
thats a fist weapon @strange python
strange python
change lootspec to sin/sub
mighty elm
@austere ruin you need revered with mecha
austere ruin
after revered we just buy it from one of the vendor?
mighty elm
ya
drowsy scroll
Is there currently a reason to have/play Purification Protocol? Considering gambling Punchcards instead of buying R2
austere ruin
thx bro
mighty elm
im just relieved i dont have to make engineer rings 😄 im sittin on a total of 3k gold atm
terse dove
aha
strange python
Did they change how Azsharas trinket sims for assa since it was a 2% upgrade yesterday and now its a 2% downgrade and I haven't changed trinkets
Guys, whats the fastest way to farm honor for BotE lvl 3?
wild glen
farm bgs
strange python
Bgs seem to barely reward me with 200-300
steel summit
BotE seems like a lot of time for a meh upgrade. May as well aim for flame rank 3
wild glen
to become ally for 1 hour
strange python
bote rank 2 is meh, rank 3 is a hella nice upgrade
bis until we get the raid essence rank 3
wild glen
bote rank 2 does 0
strange python
Alright, thanks, I'll try the mercenary
wild glen
25% isnt enough to use it without vendetta
mighty elm
what u simmin at 😄
tropic ocean
33,5 :<
tropic ocean
no boots 400 wrists unlucky
and no cyclo blast 😄
whats ur sim difference between old and new weap?
how much increase?
rough agate
raid bots sims still messed up i see
mighty elm
actually checked, was 800
inner tree
you're also probably not playing in the same conditions as him bud
tropic ocean
@inner tree probably yeah but still I figured if u try enough you can orange even in bad conditions 😛
inner tree
sure but tbh i wouldn't worry about early logs too much
white basalt
would i be correct in saying that alot of BiS gear will come from M+ and we should be farming the fuck out of em?
keen elk
Hey all, I checked pins and couldn’t find an answer. I noticed the nightly sim is opening with mut>rup>mut>garrote>vend>vanish>tb>envenom. I’ve always garrote>mut>rupt>mut>vend>vanish>tb>envenom
craggy notch
Is there any BiS benthic items for assasin rogues?
sudden trench
Also keep in mind that parses depends on not only you but your entire group. If you do he with 30 ppl and 7 of them are not ilvl 400 you will have a shit parse haha
keen elk
Doing the nightly rotation in real time testing I’m going into my tb window with 5cp already
solid nova
@keen elk #tc-updates
keen elk
Thank you
scarlet sequoia
first week heroic logs 
sudden trench
Check pins Andy
arctic walrus
The only bis M+ gear is azerite and you can't farm that @white basalt
white basalt
what about spyglass?
pseudo hamlet
It's true that the highest M+ gear this week is from +6? Was wondering about changing my chest to something with EB+SS.
median harbor
are there any new trinkets i should be on the look out for?
or is it still spyglass and loaded dice
last mortar
the raid trinkets are better i think
opal minnow
keen elk
I just ran a full sim of 430 trinkets and only the Ashvane trinket came out ahead of cyclotronic and ink (430)
lone mirage
Assa is just shit in m+ , shitty overall, outlaw do 10k better
keen elk
All m+ trinkets and Azshara’s came out lowered by a big margin (500dps was the closest)
lone mirage
Im just sad
solid nova
Sin shit in m+ 
arctic walrus
Outlaw do 10k of worthless damage
solid nova
Either bad traits or bad play
quasi pewter
solid nova
Sin is really good in m+ wdym
quasi pewter
no it has shitty overall outlaw do 10k better didnt you hear
lost wharf
How do I use this razorclaw trinket from ashvane?
solid nova
Nothing to do with how it was played, it's just simply bad 
arctic walrus
Give this guy Shadows rank he clearly is onto something
rancid bobcat
all the pugs ive been with have been really lackluster so its hard to judge mut vs outlaw 
though i mean i only got to 2k
solid nova
Same as last season, if not better
visual mesa
yo, which trinkets in the new raid are lookin good
arctic walrus
Does inkpod have any benefit post 30%?
normal cliff
Are there ant links to BiS raidbots sims?>
marble hemlock
assa is gonna be the go-to choice for singletarget in m+ this season i feel
the st we can put out on bosses is absolutely nutty
while still having really strong cleave and decent aoe
lost wharf
@vapid scarab How do you use Coral tho?
keen elk
Anyone know what exactly makes rank 3 bote sim higher than anything else? Looking at @mighty elm sim, is it the BBI and TTK that help make bote so valuable? Even rank 3 bote is simming a fair bit under my rank 3 lucid major and rank 2 iris and I’m just trying to figure out WHY it’s different (outside 4 ilvls the bbi in place of my np and the ttk I don’t see much difference in gearing
i also have a 410 lurkers but ink and cyclotronic are out simming it pretty well also
tropic ocean
maybe once you are at a certain point of dmg the crit dmg outweighs the major energy rec ?
Like rise has superb gear
keen elk
ahh good catch. if that's all it is i'll be relieved lol
fresh ginkgo
seli you running iris in m+ as a major?
mighty elm
Lucid major and worldvein minor sims higher for me
its just that my guild has no one running it in HC atm
marble hemlock
think im mostly running lucid major, iris minor in m+ rn
or protocol minor in big aoe dungeons, but this week there really arent that many
i basically let others handle the aoe a bit more and just focus on singletarget/prio
tropic ocean
no major prot for the 1shots?
fresh ginkgo
did you use any eb's then if youre more st/prio target focus?
fresh ginkgo
makes sense 👍
marble hemlock
was running 2eb until recently but seeing flawless only play 1 and talking to him a bit about it made me realize that its kinda of a waste, atleast this week
you dont really pull more than like 5 or 6 mobs, ever
rotund mural
do you use lucid major on mobs sometimes?
fresh ginkgo
i mean ya
use it but make sure its up for boss
waste if youre holding on it forever
rotund mural
wish i had 3ttk like him, my other azerite are all np and dd...
im using 2eb 2ss 1ttk and 1... can't remember the name, the rupture one xD
fresh ginkgo
scent of blood
rotund mural
yea
marble hemlock
not sure yet about lucid on trash
but usually it just sits off-cd for a while and i pop it to clean up a pull, not on opener
like, theres no tangible gain to using it on a big aoe pull, because youre never at the risk of not generating enough energy
so using it is basically just a wasted GCD
fresh ginkgo
still use TB right not exsang? even running with 2 ss
marble hemlock
ye, tb all the way
but im in love with this singletarget
it just keeps on going for like 60seconds
rotund mural
yeah i like your idea of being less aoe, but a single target killing machine
marble hemlock
well, its what we did in legion
rotund mural
yeah, i started rogue in jan 2019, never played before xD sorry
marble hemlock
we had decent sustained aoe, so on long pulls we pulled even with a monk when they ran out of sef charges, and out st was nutty
and carried keys
you dont need 3 aoe blasters really
honestly, i might just use lucid on trash for the leech in the future, havent really thought about it that much but 20% leech is pretty good
rotund mural
makes sense, since im almost always playing with demon hunters and fury warriors
vapid scarab
You don’t need 3 aoe blasters you just need 3 who do everything 😃
marble hemlock
pmuch yep
rotund mural
yeah
fresh ginkgo
true i love playing both outlaw and sin ill play whatever my groups needs
rotund mural
since reaping is a history now
marble hemlock
gonna be interesting to see where the st ends up on tyrannical when bosses actually live longer, this week they almost all die within 1:40 to 2:00
which sucks cause i miss out on 2nd vendetta :<
marble hemlock
nah
1eb is always solid
but itll depend on what azerite we have available really
the new raid has kinda shitty azerite
marble hemlock
cause theres no good ttk+eb helmet
but yeah, those 2 pieces are pretty good
the defensives on it suck tho
fresh ginkgo
Is there one in m+ vendor?
marble hemlock
no vamp speed, no iv, no rp
visual mesa
Yeah, horrible defensive
marble hemlock
1 footpad is always nice however
freehold helmet is ttk+eb+op
but gambling for that is gonna be rough
since youll spend most residue early on on getting chest+shoulders, since the zaqul helmet is gigabis
(if youre raiding, that is)
distant lava
seli do you play with bote ?
distant lava
can you still answer a question about bote ?
marble hemlock
sure
civic palm
o _O
distant lava
with 2nd vendetta
dark crag
Press it
distant lava
I mean do I keep it for the TB that's in it
civic palm
Probably wouldn't, it's a pretty nicely stacking buff.
distant lava
cause on pull I TB bote env
marble hemlock
but yeah, havent tried out bote much
solemn meadow
blood is insane for the opener
marble hemlock
it basically shifts most of the damage in your opener into the first ~15seconds of it
distant lava
but you play with lucid major cause WV is that strong right ?
solemn meadow
ez 100k bursts
marble hemlock
whereas lucid lets you keep lower dps for a much longer time
vapid scarab
Are you using lucid in raids as well
slim socket
have u guys tried iris for minor for st?
marble hemlock
on st you usually dont start starving until like 50sec into the pull when you pop BL on start
so thats where the value of lucid comes in
you just keep going and going
distant lava
true , tbh with WV being strong I should probably play lucid aswell for major
marble hemlock
which isnt an issue in m+ because no bosses force you to have any major downtime, in raids i can see bote being much better because you dont usually get to just tunnel the boss for a minute straight
distant lava
it's just from my pov bote major lucid minor is second best
but I'm just starting out with sin so maybe I don't really know
dark crag
Lucid gives assa the sub treatment, you want to keep going and any interruption makes you cry. Not as hard as sub but it still feels sad
marble hemlock
hmye
but since lucid also gives 20% leech, you can usually just ignore some mechanics
and tank them 😃
distant lava
would you mind peeping into my logs ?
on second thought it should be fine
I played good tonight
arctic walrus
Really though
marble hemlock
psure someone here wouldnt mind checking your logs
distant lava
I don't want my linking logs to look like flex 
zenith gust
is there a big difference between ori and neri's wrists?
rotund mural
@marble hemlock I'm gonna try a dungeon now with lucid as major, but have to keep 2 ebs, since other dps are 2 shadow priests... so idk xD
vapid scarab
Is one of them the frost ones and the other the aoe physical?
crisp steppe
focusing iris shadowpriests 
rotund mural
im not sure they have focusing iris
arctic walrus
Can't link logs cuz private
marble hemlock
sp can go pretty ham with iris since they play triple chorus now
zenith gust
@vapid scarab y
marble hemlock
and leave voidform with like 70-90% crit
inner tree
you don't play with DS anymore seli ?
zenith gust
got the aoe ones socketed :/
vapid scarab
I have them as well
rotund mural
they have putrification protocol
arctic walrus
Triple chorus + cyclotronic is giga busted
vapid scarab
Did like 1.5-2% of my dmg on zaquul
zenith gust
nice
lol these sims are hard trolling me... simmed yesterday -> tells me to socket all pieces with haste. sim today with exact same gear -> tells me to socket all pieces with crit gems for 0.6% increase..... full trolling
marble hemlock
mhnah, ds is quite stressful to play, didnt feel like it this week @inner tree
gonna try it out again tomorrow tho, wanna compare the ST
tropic ocean
@zenith gust different essence maybe?
zenith gust
nope, same
tropic ocean
This sounds like lucid/non lucid a lot
marble hemlock
nah
thats just regular variation
not sure if the crit-pot fix is in now and wasnt yday
that mightve been the difference
tropic ocean
from full haste to crit?
arctic walrus
DS felt like it slowed down my play so I just went back vigor
tropic ocean
Ever since patch release i have no haste recomms in sim
marble hemlock
yeah, sustaining energy with DS with basically 0 haste on aoe is really annoying, since you do starve whenever you dont proc deadly on atleast 2 garrote targets within 4seconds
zenith gust
same, until yesterday, that told me to socket haste :/
marble hemlock
well, 0.6% isnt a big difference anyway
zenith gust
now i fear to re-socket, might tell me to go full haste again tomorrow :/
marble hemlock
i wouldnt resocket for a less than 1% dps gain :p
zenith gust
yeah i wont, will sime next days see if it keeps consistent on recommendations
dont wanna waste more gold
marble hemlock
its gonna swap over again when you just change 1 item probably
woeful minnow
zenith gust
yeah, i get that, but i didnt change anyrhing, thats what makes me crazy
marble hemlock
i mean, its as good as other majors that dont need a stupid grind :>
obsidian ruin
were there any overnight changes to font of power trinket? It suddenly sims several 100 dps worse than yday for me
midnight flower
Sims have been all over the place. I’m revisit them on Tuesday
I still member in legion when a bug in simc left over from wod told us on outlaw the wrong stat weights
thick wagon
How do i best use the razor coral properly?
obsidian ruin
i think i found my issue
lone mirage
Well i have 3 ss , i know the gameplay , and i do always around 23 k dps for 416 ilvl
U find that normal..
arctic walrus
Last post in #tc-updates not a pin @thick wagon
vestal wren
hehe, we have to much information in pins/etc 😛
cyclon usage is a pin in #wow-general
thick wagon
Thank @arctic walrus
tropic ocean
@lone mirage did you try outlaw?
arctic walrus
It's definitely gameplay
drifting cloud
lol
tropic ocean
100% gameplay
tropic ocean
I cant go near s2 numbers but with 417 ilvl im doing 32-40k overall depending on dungeon so idk
its not as simple as 3 garrote fok rup though
Do a dungeon and log it and we can fix your issues
hoary latch
Anyone prefer NP x3 vs SS x3?
vapid scarab
I did 35k in a ML yesterday and my rogue was only 414 still
Even had to take a DD trait
arctic walrus
You're comparing 2 wildly different things? what's the context
civic palm
Sure you can.
arctic walrus
Reality is often disappointing
lone mirage
Lol
hoary latch
Honestly idk, new to rogue and I was running 3x SS with subterfuge and then switched to NP x3 with MA and do better
lone mirage
I dont think
vapid scarab
Are you using focusing iris major
hoary latch
@vapid scarab me?
vapid scarab
No
lone mirage
What do u want me to do
tropic ocean
Play better?
tropic ocean
sin in m+ has no rotation
lone mirage
im french i pick words i can sry^^
vapid scarab
Sin is very dynamic in m+ you don’t ever just do one aoe rotation and one st rotation
tropic ocean
you do whats the best possible outcome depending on group
Pull
Affix
sometimes that means aoe ham, sometimes focus mob x
lone mirage
yes im 2k rio
tropic ocean
23k is just very very low and leads to conclusion mistakes in gameplay
lone mirage
I know shitsabout m+
vapid scarab
That’s not very high
lone mirage
yes not with the rogue
civic palm
I mean it's very high compared to the rest of the playerbase.
lone mirage
Yes but i know how to play i mean
vapid scarab
So if you were 2k rio but not with the rogue why do you think you know how to play rogue in m+
lone mirage
Can my low dps provide of a low % of versa?
tropic ocean
No
arctic walrus
No
tropic ocean
its your gameplay mate
vapid scarab
23k has absolutely nothing to do with your gear
lone mirage
..
civic palm
Unless you're under item level 400.
arctic walrus
23k is like afk dps
tropic ocean
even then
arctic walrus
I have 1% vers, it's not gear
tropic ocean
Pretty sure proper play pulls 23k on 385 390ish
arctic walrus
What's your azerite pieces
civic palm
Maybe, don't remember really.
arctic walrus
Can you take a pic
lone mirage
Sure
harsh sphinx
@distant lava help a brethren out
civic palm
O _O
Get the quitters in here.
Though DJ is a fucking SIN potato.
He can at least translate.
tropic ocean
😂😂😂
lone mirage
civic palm
The haste is more an issue than the crit really.
tropic ocean
Dont usw rien de personel
civic palm
That's a whackton of haste for M+.
tropic ocean
0 eb too
harsh sphinx
more haste than my raid setup
vapid scarab
So he’s using 3 SS 2TtK 1 NP
solid nova
marble hemlock
drop the haste, up crit to like 35%, get atleast 1eb, maybe 2 if you want good aoe, id suggest running 2ss 2ttk 2eb
and youll see a significant improvement
lone mirage
so its a traits problem ? ^^
vapid scarab
Well, some of it
lone mirage
my gameplay can, be improve for sure
marble hemlock
trait problem. gear problem (in terms of stat allocation)
arctic walrus
Step in the right direction
vapid scarab
Traits alone don’t make up 10-15k overall in a dungeon
marble hemlock
you have decent ilvl, but bad stats. way too much haste, way too low crit
marble hemlock
yeah, just try to get every item with crit, ideally with a socket. even if that means dropping like 10 or even 20ilvl, its still gonna be better than running a high ilvl haste+versa or haste+mastery item
proper venture
Should i focus on getting my sim up for should i ignore it and focus on haste and crit=
lone mirage
ok , to be sure, for example when it comes to a multitarget like 3 or 4, i garrote 3x, then do fok and rupt all, toxicblades on maintarget, and fok then envenom
thats sounds good?
marble hemlock
ye
but due to your low crit, you generate way less combopoints everytime you use a builder than you should
since we get additional combopoints per target that we crit on from seal fate
so your aoe is hindered by that a lot
you also dont run the azerite trait that improves our aoe the most, echoing blades
lone mirage
yes i dont have echoingblades
marble hemlock
too much haste still vel, but on a good track
"perfect" gear right now would look something like this
arctic walrus
Hm let me play around a bit
solar rose
marble hemlock
flawless running 22% crit in assa gear, WeirdChamp
civic palm
woo
marble hemlock
PogU
marble hemlock
well, its a bit better already, but you lost a lot of mastery now
no
you dont need haste at all for m+
marble hemlock
@solar rose been playing 2ss3ttk now, the st blast is real
distant lava
call me a sin potato again 
drifting cloud
please get bigger bags, not the 110 boost ones
lone mirage
ahah ye
marble hemlock
definitely a good call to drop 1 eb for another ss this week
arctic walrus
I'm so dry on gear I can't change anything around lol
40% of my haste is from my rings
marble hemlock
dw about it too much
getting good gear is a process
took me a long while to get the gear i have now
and a good portion of luck
lone mirage
well thanks guys for advice , i will try tomorrow and give you good feedback i hope
civic palm
GL!
arctic walrus
The process of getting a non 405 dagger offhand continues into S3
marble hemlock
dont worry about the offhand ilvl too much, it barely matters
get an offhand with a socket, thats more important than ilvl
i still run a 405+socket myself, and its far better than running a 415 in there instead
marble hemlock
does it matter if the boss is dead? 😄
marble hemlock
doubt having a higher ilvl offhand is gonna kill the boss faster
tropic ocean
@arctic walrus I use 400 socket offhand 😮
crisp steppe
it aint 445
tropic ocean
little too high crit/low mastery I guess ;p
harsh sphinx
looks fine to me
civic palm
yep
marble hemlock
thats my highest simming st setup now
thanks to lucid/crit boots
playing highcrit in raids feels so much more fun
civic palm
Highest item level is giga for ST so long you drop your haste.
fresh ginkgo
60k envos are fun
civic palm
It's not even that different without compendium/laser > _>
arctic walrus
I literally can't change any of my gear unless it rolls a socket : /
marble hemlock
those are nice statweights i think
civic palm
yeboi
fresh ginkgo
vers
civic palm
Which I mean... duh? Kinda like it for now.
Especially considering it's the beginning of a season.
marble hemlock
also, what is it with nazjatar worldquests re-appearing multiple times a day
civic palm
Dunno.
marble hemlock
and only having like 8 or even 2hr duration when they spawn
civic palm
Had some shit repop @ like, 2am.
fresh ginkgo
nice guys we are done progressing through gear, time to pack it up
marble hemlock
ive done the bloodfin manapearl WQ like 3times already
civic palm
mmm, weird.
marble hemlock
its the same in mechagon
fresh ginkgo
but i never exploited
marble hemlock
i picked up all dailies this afternoon
earlier i went in there again
suddenly i had blackmarket guy and some new stuff pop up
civic palm
I like that blackmarket guy gives you a damn near useless amount of that item though.
Gonna have a 1000 of them by the end of the expansion.
marble hemlock
gonna make the 200iq play and repeat worldquest to skip eternal palace progress cuz blizz bans me for 6months
harsh sphinx
small island
is it worth farming for bote now? or will it get replaced by the raid essence?
obtuse surge
bote for me is so amazing as a passive with the minor
In my opener, the procc at 40/30 fits perfectly for when i pop lucid and i just ramp
vestal wren
rank 3 has a high value so short term its a very good investment
winter gale
Can anyone tell me wich bentic Item is best for assa?
hollow gyro
!essences
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urban salmon
Are there current sims for the new battle potions somewhere?
hollow gyro
When are ya'll using cyclotronic blast?
untold current
Wouldnt that have a huge impact on my vendetta tho
as the NP gives energy at that crucial time when u need to spam envenoms>
vapid scarab
you're using lucid as a major m8
you don't stop spamming finishers till like 50s into the fight
even longer if you lust on pull
untold current
I usually pop lucid when around 8 sec left on vendetta as thats when I start to become energy starved
not counting lust on pull
vapid scarab
ok, so what does NP do for your energy regen during vendetta again?
you literally just explained it for yourself
untold current
No..
I dont have to pop lucid bc I have energy from NP
Unless I am missing some other form of energy
I guess this means I would have to activate lucid much earlier
vapid scarab
you're basically GCD capped with lucid, NP or not, until the last 5s or so of vendetta
untold current
Correct
vapid scarab
so if you're GCD capped anyway, without using NP to begin with, why would the energey regen of NP be valuable for your vendetta window?
untold current
Im not GCD capped until I use lucid about 12 seconds in. For those 12 seconds the extra NP energy is what is assisting with the envenom spam
If I drop NP, that means I will have to get that energy from lucid, i.e using it earlier
vapid scarab
then you aren't doing something right
because you don't start starving until ~5s of vendetta whether you use NP or not
hollow gyro
I've been doing what Uchimata is doing. Because when I read pins I follow them as gospel.
drifting cloud
well with or without lust is a difference
untold current
With lust its different yea
But the 8 - 5 sec mark with when I need to use lucid
but I'm not quite GCD capped until that point either
vapid scarab
"not quite" and "gcd capped" is not a big enough difference to be relevant
the sim says you shouldn't use NP, you don't use NP
end of discussion
untold current
Well, I will try it out in raid, but I dont think its "end of discussion"
Like, thats not helpful
vapid scarab
what else is there to discuss
BB is doing more for you on ST and it also scales with cleave/aoe
minor spade
is there a soft haste cap for Sin?
vapid scarab
no
untold current
I feel like you are maybe misinterpreting what I am saying
I get the sim tells me its higher. But I am trying to understand the logic behind it. Capiche?
vapid scarab
you aren't going below 90 energy until 56 seconds into the fight
why does the energy from NP help your vendetta window in that scenario
untold current
I'm not referring to that far into the fight, the window Im referring to is 0 - 15 secs in
vapid scarab
ok so
if you don't fall below 90 energy until 56s in, you are GCD capped until that point
untold current
Thats because of lucid
small island
can i farm honor on a alt and still get rank 2/3 on main? the achievement is shared right?
vapid scarab
that includes the 0-15s timeframe
drifting cloud
so you think the sim is wrong because you arent gcd capped or what?
vapid scarab
you don't fall below 90 energy before you activate lucid either
what are you trying to say
untold current
No I dont think the sim is wrong
drifting cloud
I mean np only works 20s every 2min, bbi can proc whole fight
sure it seems weird that bbi sims better than np when you have 0
vapid scarab
not really
drifting cloud
might be because of lucid, or because of how everything new in 8.2 interacts with eachother
untold current
In the MA opener, NP gives u energy which helps u in your initial muts and envenoms
thats why you dont need to use lucid until later
that and OP procs etc
vapid scarab
how does extra energy help you when you're GCD capped regardless of having that extra energy or not
drifting cloud
are you just gonna parrot the same thing?
fresh ginkgo
Makes me sad when I pop lucid and my energy is always overcapping
drifting cloud
without lust you definetly arent above 90 energy for 50s
even with lust im not sure you are
vapid scarab
if=master_assassin_remains=0&!debuff.vendetta.up&!debuff.toxic_blade.up&buff.memory_of_lucid_dreams.down&energy<80&dot.rupture.remains>4
drifting cloud
im sure if you can lnik a stupid energy graph you can check when it uses it instead of linking me the apl
vapid scarab
when you don't have any CDs running, energy <80 and rupture >4
covert epoch
what the best weapon enchants now? any of the new ones or just use the ones from before?
vapid scarab
you can find it yourself if you want to know
drifting cloud
lmao
vapid scarab
@covert epoch sim yourself
extra energy does not help you when you have an infinite supply of energy for the first 50s of the fight anyway. that's just how it is
you can sim without lust and the time frame will be lower, but it will still be longer than the vendetta window
that's literally all there is to it
if you aren't GCD capped for that long, then you just aren't playing as well as the sim is
vernal fern
since only the head from Za'qul seems good for azerite piece, how do you guys plan on getting your azerite gear ? waiting to buy specific pieces or random rolling and prey?
there are some decent pieces for m+ but the defensive are rly bad
vapid scarab
specific is never worth it
vernal fern
yeah since its like 5x the price i would gess so ^^
vapid scarab
in the time that you could buy one specific you could have 4 randoms
the chances that all 4 randoms are shit is incredibly small
vernal fern
aye thx
opal meadow
For some reason I keep getting upgrades but my top gear dps has gone done by like 500-600 from the past few days
feels weird
drifting cloud
do you have azshara trinket?
because sometimes APL get broken and just gets fixed the next day
think people were saying its currently broken with azshara trinket
hoary latch
23% crit low?