assassination

[stuck knoll]

It also works with mut cuz it’s 2 strikes

[naive pier]

no it happened to me in mutilate

[tiny arrow]

With muti u only get 4

max

[naive pier]

so so 1 dagger crits and u get 2 points and the other 1 crits and thats another 2 points

[strange python]

Mut gives 2CP, you crit, it's 4CP

[naive pier]

yeah how come u get 5

[cobalt pelican]

you don't

[naive pier]

could it be im mistaken

[strange python]

you can't

[upbeat wren]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tiny arrow]

Was this in pvp or pve?

[naive pier]

pve i think

[tiny arrow]

Then you just saw wrong

[strange python]

if you have honor among thieves it might have procced extra CP

[naive pier]

also regarding Ma opener ive seen couble of ppl saying that u tb before vanish

[strange python]

from ur allies' crit

[short jacinth]

Tb can crit for big dmg

[acoustic atlas]

Is what flawless said: Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Garrote -> Vendetta + On Uses > Toxic Blade > Blood of The Enemy > Vanish > Env > Mut > Env

[naive pier]

yeah this one

[sand whale]

that bote part is important

[tiny arrow]

That gives you 2x 100% crit chance envs so it's hella worth

[autumn slate]

Should I play bote instead of lucid r3?

[sand whale]

is your bote rank 3?

[autumn slate]

Yes

[sand whale]

sure why not it personally sims higher for me

but pretty close

[autumn slate]

It sims higher for me aswell

quite a lot higher

[tiny arrow]

What are you using as minor with lucid major?

[autumn slate]

Currently using iris because it sims the highest of those I have

[rigid mango]

Generally, bote M + lucid m is one of if not the best pre life force r3

[civic palm]

Ye.

[naive pier]

Is what flawless said: Mutilate > Rupture > Mutilate > Garrote -> Vendetta + On Uses > Toxic Blade > Blood of The Enemy > Vanish > Env > Mut > Env

what did he mean by vendetta + on uses

[tiny arrow]

Trinkets

[civic palm]

trinkets/etc.

[autumn slate]

Stuff like Lurkers I believe

[naive pier]

it would be a waste of time to bbeam the lasser at that time

yeah

[civic palm]

Stacking stuff, not channels.

Vendetta + Frost Bolt.

[naive pier]

i liiked that opener alot

what do u think the second vendetta gonna be like

[civic palm]

The same minus the TB probably.

[rigid mango]

Isn't that opener special for blood?

[polar forge]

opener hasnt changed much lol

[civic palm]

IMO if you remove Blood you can probably just do that regardless.

[naive pier]

going from ss yeah its abit different

never played MA before

[civic palm]

The difference between using Garrote or Mutilate out of Stealth is minor IIRC.

[polar forge]

i even env once before the vanish

[civic palm]

That first Rupture has a high chance of being shit however.

[polar forge]

to get 3 env on the first tb

[sullen sphinx]

Iris major sims higher for me than both lucid and BOTE. All rank 2

Lol

[tropic ocean]

can u link sim? :>

[sullen sphinx]

Yea in about 5 mins when I get home

[sullen garden]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[scenic nacelle]

Is Iris the laser beam?

[urban plover]

Last night sim was telling me haste was worst stack, wake up and it's telling me i NEED haste

stat*

[naive pier]

did u change ur essance in between>

?

[urban plover]

nope

[naive pier]

did u pray to the goddes of haste before u hit the bed?

[barren talon]

finally at 30k. feels good 😃

[urban plover]

Sounds about the only explanation

[naive pier]

ppl who farmed the BoET rank 3

what did u do?

normal bgs

[hollow junco]

i did epic BGs when I was alone

[mighty elm]

first u do all quest in epic bgs

then spam normals

with guild banner

[hollow junco]

everything but ashran was okayish. ashran is cancer

[naive pier]

guild banner

what is that !!

[hollow junco]

when in a group, always did normals

[mighty elm]

15% more honor

[naive pier]

WAIT WHAT!

[mighty elm]

get it from guild vendor (:

[naive pier]

/cry

[bleak spoke]

But even doing it perfectly you scuff the Tb window 2 Tbs down the line with double 4 point ruptures chained zz

[scenic nacelle]

Time to pop a monster this weekend and drop guild banners

[naive pier]

@mighty elm battle of standard of coordination

is this the banner u were talking about?

[mighty elm]

ya

when u dies it goes away

so use wisley

[naive pier]

when how?

[mighty elm]

i used it when camping bases/flags and when BGs end

its 10min cd so dont die for 10min

[naive pier]

ok

i try my best captain!

[mighty elm]

[urban salmon]

If you guys could cherry pick your azerite traits for single target, what would the dream team look like?

[mighty elm]

cephalo, gorak tul and head from zaqul

[naive pier]

also same question and for M+?

[ember rover]

3x NP + 2x DD + 1x Undulating

[urban salmon]

1x SS no longer loved?

[strange python]

on plater is there a way for rupture to occupy the first debuff slot

if you know what i mean

so it's always centre

[zenith trellis]

what azerite do i want main? condensed or memory?

[acoustic atlas]

raidbots.com is pretty good

[tropic ocean]

from an utopia perspective I want all of them 😄

[urban plover]

I have both font/coral, how would you use these together

[urban junco]

Prioritize font over coral

and use both

:3

[tropic ocean]

is it really 2x on use meta

😢

[urban plover]

if i use font with vendetta, it'll put coral on 20 sec CD...vendetta will have fallen off before I can actually get the crit

[tawny shell]

Font feels very weird after opener

[marble elm]

I love it

Sitting there visibly ascending

Your raid cowers in fear cause they know ur about to fuck on the boss

[urban junco]

Lol

[junior flume]

Can you use it prepull?

[urban junco]

yes

[tawny shell]

Yeah I haven’t got to use it on other bosses yet. Only heroic azshara. Feels weird when it comes up right before you have to fuck on the adds

Yeah use at 7 secs. Stealth pot

[junior flume]

Will take some getting used to mid combat

[urban junco]

I would imagine you could use it like Cyclonic blast is used currently

[tawny shell]

Yeah

[urban junco]

or cyclo whatever

[junior flume]

You're just using it when you have down time? Not lining it up with cds or such

[marble elm]

Font like blast?

AFAIK you should use font like you use lurkers except before vendetta obv because you need to channel it

Pre channel at 5 and stealth pot and then when it comes up channel it and then use cds

[junior flume]

So drain your energy as Vendetta is coming off cooldown, channel and then burst

[marble elm]

Yeah

And then use blast when your trinket cd comes up after vendetta like normal

[junior flume]

Inkpod no good at all?

[marble elm]

I know it fucks for dh but I haven’t seen any rogues with it yet

It does like 7% of our dhs damage

[urban junco]

wow

[junior flume]

Ah okay, haven't seen anyone try it

[marble elm]

And it can crit

[urban junco]

Bloodmallet has it ranked third or fourth

atm

for sin

[junior flume]

Yea coral seems to be doing better but haven't tried it either

[celest ruin]

uuh, so raidbots just simmed me two on-use trinkets (mechagon laser and galecallers bloom) as highest, anyone have a similar setup? i have no idea when to use both since they share a 30 sec cd in between them

[marble elm]

Laser after your cds

[queen tiger]

Is the mechagon trinket affected by vendetta and other cds?

[marble elm]

No

[grim cedar]

@junior flume i see you

[junior flume]

Hey soul ^^

[ivory light]

cyclotronic deals more damage with vendetta?

[junior flume]

Nope

[strange python]

raidbot bug or it's me ?

Why it keep saying that i should keep crucible of flame while i have blood rank 2 aswell

[wispy leaf]

rank 2 doesnt give u the crit dmg

u need rank 3

[civic palm]

It just iterates on math, there's no bug in this case.

If there's a comparison being made somewhere else remember that there are differences in gearing.

[arctic walrus]

Is this mechagon trinket "nerf" simply a mistake in the apl? And I shouldn't switch it out

[strange python]

i already cried enough today by doing 15k for the rank 2

[marble elm]

Next week is bot week

[strange python]

i don't know if my body is ready for 50 K

lol

[marble elm]

Supposed to be lucrative honor

[wispy leaf]

then just go with lucid

[strange python]

lucid as major ?

[wispy leaf]

it's way easier

for assa? yea

[strange python]

and what minor

[quaint sequoia]

why the fuck does my 400 dagger sim better than my 410 version of the same dagger? xD

[wispy leaf]

if u have enough with veins then go with that

*enough people

[civic palm]

The best way to not grind 50k for Blood only for it to be replaced pretty quickly...

is to not do it, because it's kinda dumb.

[wispy leaf]

if u dont then maybe go with cucible

[rigid sonnet]

sims seem to tell me to go for more crit and mastery and some vers while leaving the haste behind, guess this is cus of lucid dreams minor, do I wanna go for that?

after gems and enchants optimizationing according to sims I'd prolly be down to like 1200 ish haste with no trinkets giving haste

[warm cave]

Do what top gear says for sure, memory gives tons of energy

[rigid sonnet]

oki

ye no haste enchant on wep according to top gear

but guess I will know if it feels like shit during next raid

[viscid token]

i seem to be simm'ing extremely low, anyone have any idea why? despite the enchant recommendations it recommends. maybe my neck lvl too low for minor slot? :S https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gMqz1e9snj88j2DxS7kP8z

[warm cave]

minor slot, and none of the benthic pieces

[viscid token]

thanks

[rigid sonnet]

ye couple benthics gave me atleast 1 k

prolly more

[warm cave]

also sim your gems and enchants, mastery is rarely good in my experience right now just to be sure.

[rigid sonnet]

sims highest by a bit for me rn, how much should I be at? 1100~?

[viscid token]

kk thanks boss! also another question; cyclotronic blast and memory of lucid dreams, you do memory of lucid dreams after you start getting starved while in vendetta, and cyclotronic blast after lucid dreams is over?

[warm cave]

you do memory of lucid dreams after you start getting starved while in vendetta - yes if you are absolutely starved

and cyclotronic blast after lucid dreams is over? yes

sometimes when you get god seal fate combo points and lots of memory (minor) procs it can be extended

[rigid sonnet]

what about the ashvane coral trinket

how is that best used?

pop on pull and let stack up till next vendetta?

[small thicket]

ngl im loving the focus az beam

with mem minor

[warm cave]

I don't have the coral trinket currently so I don't have any real input. If I were to guess you want to line it up with high DPS windows like vendetta. Just be mindful if you are using another on use trinket like lurkers still

[rigid sonnet]

I am using the card trinket with the bursty beamthing

usually sorta fit that in between vendetta ending and 2nd toxic blades

without overcapping

and without wasting too much on cd

[warm cave]

which is probably just fine

[rigid sonnet]

guess I'll keep going with that for now then

can check logs see if I see other was of using it

tyty

[mighty elm]

https://i.gyazo.com/4665bebd9a5134fdd60dc95fcd1994ee.png

yuge logs

[civic palm]

The formatting is a problem.

[fresh ginkgo]

gross

How did you use your cds on ashvane?

[vivid hill]

Any trinkets we should be looking at in the new raid

[mighty elm]

on CD

[stable isle]

have they pushed the nightly apl to weekly in the past few hours? my quick sim has just dropped like 3k and the sample ability log opens with mu mu rupt gar. doesnt look like its using the cyclotronic blast either

[tropic ocean]

@mighty elm what trinkets/traits/essences?

I suppose u have boots wrists and belt 😃

[warm cave]

@mighty elm Can you link us your logs? I want to extract information

[mighty elm]

its private logs @warm cave

[nimble tartan]

Carried by 440 weapon and benthic smh...

[urban junco]

lol

[mighty elm]

@tropic ocean i have boots n wrist only

[urban junco]

[mighty elm]

but that 440 dagger is biq

[nimble tartan]

Do it all natty bro

415 dagger only

[warm cave]

Who you play with @mighty elm and really sick stuff man, grats

[fresh ginkgo]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7iXadfkGsTJ7woJRDPDBJt you can check his equip here i guess

[tropic ocean]

i guess 440 is big up but still

Giga logs

[mighty elm]

in eXsto

[urban junco]

Yeah

weap dps is yuge

[arctic walrus]

Y'all can't make me parse better than 98s cuz of your damn gear smh

[nimble tartan]

Tfw rise took my rank 1 on behemoth but it doesn’t count 😂👌

Love that

[mighty elm]

😠

[nimble tartan]

I’m out here representing the small daggie boys all day

[tropic ocean]

Giga rings too

[arctic walrus]

Can't even zerg bosses cuz split runs

[fresh ginkgo]

yea i heard those rings are actually good

[tropic ocean]

1.3% dmg according to sim

Can u pull some number from a boss? How much the proc did?

[nimble tartan]

Yeah that combo seems good too

[arctic walrus]

Isn't there a CD on it

[nimble tartan]

I’d like that prefix with the haste too

[arctic walrus]

Like 15s

[tropic ocean]

I guess the dmg proc is better than the haste no?

[fresh ginkgo]

Yea i think

[tropic ocean]

farming mechagon every week

Meeeh

[fresh ginkgo]

Haste lost some value now since lucid

[arctic walrus]

If you already did it once this week can you go back and do hard mode

[fresh ginkgo]

Can you?

Still get loot?

[tropic ocean]

no

can you even kill bosses again in m0 with id

🤔

[arctic walrus]

Have you never spammed 4 of the same dungeon for weekly 🤔

[tropic ocean]

nope 😂

[drifting cloud]

yeah youre just loot locked

nothing else

[tropic ocean]

I do the x4 weekly in m+

[mighty elm]

@tropic ocean yea does about 1.3% on bosses

[arctic walrus]

What do I have to add to my simc string to sim bote 3 if I don't have it

[fringe epoch]

i sim higher with subterfuge but no shrouded suffocation. what does that opener look like?? is it just normal MA opener?

[tropic ocean]

Sick the rings

[warm cave]

@arctic walrus when copy and pasting your simc input, look for the essence line, then adjust as needed. Like Blood of the Enemy is like 27:2, change that 2 to a 3.

[azure sluice]

dose dead-eye spyglass trinket triggerd by Fan of knifes

[warm cave]

I don't know if that was the right essence number but thats the general idea. You will even see it update in the essences part of top gear sim if you scroll down.

[arctic walrus]

Yeah thanks I got it

How many weeks until we get R3 Life-force

[warm cave]

no clue, ill just get it when I get it 😦

It seems like such a boring essence for it to be simming so well right now. Is it just me?

[spice cloak]

agreed just a button push

[woven summit]

What stat do you guys push for mythic plus?

Crit?

[warm cave]

@woven summit sim it I think. I'm an Outlaw M+ player. I think Crit is probably best because of its synergy with the FoK trait.

[woven summit]

Hmm yeah

I dont know people telling me simming for keys its not viable

Saying I should run logs instead

But crit makes sense

[warm cave]

I know Dungeon Slice is still in sort of in a beta state.

Its hard to build a profile for it because of how many variables show up in keystones with various affixes and scaling health levels and such.

[fresh ginkgo]

Seli uses a crap ton of crit

Back in season 2 he was up to 40% base

[tropic ocean]

crit>mastery

Im runnig 36/43

[tall narwhal]

is poison bomb really better than crimson for m+ ?

[fringe epoch]

crimson is turd

[tall narwhal]

damn

[warm cave]

if the dot timer was shorter it might be better

but even then it doesn't do a lot of damage

[tall narwhal]

i see

thanks

[lone junco]

there are a few things that could make ct better. none of them will probably happen.

[tall narwhal]

hah

[spice cloak]

too bad on demand aoe vs rng is better game play to me

[lone junco]

if they shifted the hit farther up and the tick duration down it might be useful

[acoustic atlas]

I might be rng carried boys. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6YQMTrYbSQvkSkQwYNdgP9

[spice cloak]

how many times have you proc'd back to back bombs on single target yet none while adds were alive?

[sudden trench]

i miss SS playstyle

[spice cloak]

FeelsRNGman

[lone junco]

i really miss Legion bracers

and the 45 sec vendetta

with Exang alignment.

and bota

[spice cloak]

i got every legendary but the two i need for the entirety of legion until they became free catch up at the end

[tall narwhal]

another question, whats the general rule of thumb for choosing exsanguinate vs tb ?

[lone junco]

exang is dead for now.

[tall narwhal]

if i have 3 shrouded traits, should i by default go for exsang ?

oh

[sudden trench]

i sim 1k less with ss build. Kinda feel like its worth it

no never exang anymore

[lone junco]

exang just finishes your bleed early. and gives you more Energy. If you didnt exang your SS, it still does the same damage.

and base garrote is garbage.

and our E is pretty high these days due to haste stack.

TB hits hard and buffs DD procs from mut

so RIP

[sudden trench]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9LAXMCT6tPfdhaUGQJ57xs
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jCGU4JEskfexaagA1xCoEr

thats the diff between the 2 for me

[tall narwhal]

ok

thanks for the explanation 😃

[cobalt pelican]

1k is a pretty sizable difference

[woven summit]

Should we go aoe specced for operation mechagon?

[cobalt pelican]

especially when on most fights there's barely any value

[sudden trench]

but any fight that has 1 extra add to get dmg on SS build will win by a mile

[cobalt pelican]

not really

only if they're convenient

[lone junco]

1ss subterfuge, but still no Exang

[cobalt pelican]

ie. rasta, grong etc all line up perfectly

things like orgozoa just

don't

to get value from ss you'd be holding things

[sudden trench]

ye I suppose

[cobalt pelican]

the fight isn't very ss friendly and i say that as someone who played it every reclear in bod till mekkatorque cause it's comfy

only really azshara is like.. a real gain

[sudden trench]

ye

[cobalt pelican]

and queens court maybe but it depends how you're tanking them as to whether the opener is realistic with step

[sudden trench]

ye we tank him quite far away. wont be worth swapping

well will be and wont

[lone junco]

youd be suprised how good that vanish g tab gg is

[sudden trench]

i mean the best thing to do is to have two sets, but fml

[cobalt pelican]

even at the end of bod i didnt have 2 proper sets

i had to reforge goraks still

[sudden trench]

ye i came back 6 weeks before season end

still feel behind lol

[tall narwhal]

so if not SS build

than what ? 😛

[cobalt pelican]

i've decided i can't play with font

[sudden trench]

DD build

[cobalt pelican]

not until it's like 445 or some shit anyway

[civic palm]

lol

[cobalt pelican]

it's like a 100dps upgrade over lurkers

and it's fucking

[tall narwhal]

double dose ?

[cobalt pelican]

AH

[civic palm]

Until it's a 10000DPS upgrade?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

until the numbers make me feel warm and fuzzy inside

i'm on strike

[sudden trench]

rofl

[tall narwhal]

what about a build for m+ keyes around 15

[civic palm]

Until you know that channeling this idiocy for 4 seconds is going to cause that motherfucker to fucking DIE.

[tall narwhal]

or well, right now probably like 12

is SS build good for that ?

[sudden trench]

FoK Echo - SS

[lone junco]

its a 4sec channel like DOS?

[tall narwhal]

so echoing blades and SS

gotcha

[lone junco]

charging gold for bops so yall can channael

[vagrant tapir]

m+

2 ss 2 EB 2 BB

or 3ss 1eb 2BB

[rancid bobcat]

how do you have 2 blightborne

[vagrant tapir]

415s

gorak tul, gravethorn

well 420s

blaze it

[rancid bobcat]

what

are emissaries giving out 415 azerite

[vagrant tapir]

yes

[rancid bobcat]

has there even been an emissary azerite

[vagrant tapir]

yes

twice

[rancid bobcat]

are you EU

[vagrant tapir]

No

[rancid bobcat]

hmm

[vagrant tapir]

Alliance

[rancid bobcat]

oh

[vagrant tapir]

SS was 3 days ago

drust roday

anyone have any ideas?

[rancid bobcat]

well that explains it

[vagrant tapir]

thinking triple SS

[vestal carbon]

So bloodmallet is listing the benthic shoulders to be BIS?

[vagrant tapir]

yeah

NP undulating

ez bis

[cobalt pelican]

can you even get benthic past 430

sounds incredibly unlikely

[vestal carbon]

430 is max atm

[cobalt pelican]

and more like a chart oversight

[vagrant tapir]

I mean

azerite bis is always relative to the ilvl

[tall narwhal]

scent of blood is not that good for m+ ?

[vagrant tapir]

no

garbage

[tall narwhal]

roger that

[grizzled thistle]

can someone get in a call with me and help me relearn my rogue please

[coral aspen]

guys can you help me out? Sims tell me to use Razor Coral and Mechagon Beam Trinket but it makes for some wired trinket usage in the sims abillity log so is this intended or should I only use one on use trinket?https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eGN9udnxNsxjbFzABBh1zv

[warm cave]

@coral aspen What makes the trinket usage weird? Also Razor Coral got updated earlier but I don't know if that mean it also got loaded into raid bots.

[tropic ocean]

@grizzled thistle pins and ravenholdt is all you need

[civic palm]

1000USD/hr

Sure it will take 10 minutes, but pay me.

[red saddle]

quick question, I just did a quick sim and in the sample log I only see Vendetta for 3 seconds? The other Vedetta symbol is "nothing personal"

[tropic ocean]

Its a timeline mate

It shows when the ability was used

Not for how long

[red saddle]

yeah, but it also shows the debuff/buff

right side

[glass matrix]

heyy does shrouded suffocation

[tropic ocean]

Yeah

[glass matrix]

stack **

[turbid zealot]

yes

the damage does

nothing els

[tropic ocean]

And on right side you can see vendetta up

[coral aspen]

@warm cave before it told me to use coral on cd now it tells me to hold stacks till vendetta is up again only use the crit there

[glass matrix]

my second options are shrouded or tidal surge

[turbid zealot]

sim

[glass matrix]

okay

[red saddle]

thats the point, it is there for 3 seconds @tropic ocean

[tropic ocean]

Do you use vision of perfection?

[red saddle]

do you see the 2 vendetta symbols on the right side? 3 seconds after vendetta it's only one, and that one is "nothing personal"

no

[tropic ocean]

then idk

[warm cave]

@coral aspen that's probably correct then if I'm understanding the update posted in the TC channels in discord correctly

[red saddle]

oh I know what it is... nevermind

[jovial dome]

Anyone that knows if force multiplier is any good for offhand?

[coral aspen]

@warm cave ah ok makes sens now ty 😄

still a bit feelswirdman about using 2 on use trinkets

[warm cave]

It's weird but it's good so far. I'm still only using Lurkers and cyclo blast

[sudden trench]

@vagrant tapir still use Blood R3 and Lucid for m+?

[coral aspen]

@warm cave kk alwasy 20 sec delay then ye? Kinda lucky then that coral isn´t used on cd

[woven summit]

He guys is it better going ST or Aoe/Cleave spec in Mechagon dungeon?

[vast forum]

it's a dungeon, you can change pull-by-pull if you want to spend some tomes

[woven summit]

Yeah but my sockets are all crit for keys

Should i change them?

[visual quartz]

Did I read earlier that Vision doesnt proc NP anymore?

[woven summit]

Guess im overthinking fuck it

[strange python]

Possibly a stupid question; how/when do I use Ashvane's?

[woven summit]

This is much more complex than Classic

[warm cave]

@coral aspen coral with vendetta and cyclo when you have downtime

[crisp steppe]

you're not going to get any lifechanging experiences from changing the gems in ur sockets @woven summit

[warm cave]

@strange python with vendetta

[woven summit]

I got 7 items with sockets though xD

But yeah you are right

[coral aspen]

@warm cave ok nice then I got that correct ty again 😃

[warm cave]

Anytime dude, if your popping hero on pull, try to get use cyclo blast in there but only when vendetta is done and you are out of energy etc etc

[coral aspen]

ok I´ll try that 👍

[young condor]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uViKcCZpnC1gme1zoMbrnw

Anything i should change or aim to get?

[rigid mango]

Gear seems like a good start

You're like, 10k away from optimised sims

No reason to worry about current dps, just get new gear, the upgrades should be very obvious

[daring atlas]

So been using stat weights on raidbots and it is saying crit > mastery > vers > haste. I am wondering if I am at the haste cap and that is why. Is the haste cap like 20%?

I always thought we go haste> mastery > crit=vers

[slim socket]

lucid dream

[rigid mango]

There are no caps

[slim socket]

if u have lucid haste goes down

[daring atlas]

I don't use it

[rigid mango]

Haste is a volatile stat, it's good until it's not

[daring atlas]

i run Crucible rank 2 as major and then worldvein as minor

[rigid mango]

Sim with top gear instead

[daring atlas]

I do

[rigid mango]

Soo

[warm cave]

@gibby what zine said and try to get benthic pieces you still need and run 5 keys this week since they drop 415 gear. Should easily bring your ilvl up a bit.

[daring atlas]

lol. I was just asking the "theory" question of why its crit instead of mastery as number one was all

[rigid mango]

All of our stats are super close

[ember rover]

To add to what Zine said, haste is the easiest stat to fuck up.

[daring atlas]

I know what i should be running from raidbots perspective just wanted a discussion around why crit is now valued over mastery when typically its been mastery

[ember rover]

Haste is the only stat that in 100% of cases is NOT as valuable as the sims are telling you.

[rigid mango]

It's not really

[ember rover]

Miss a GCD = haste gets devalued.

[rigid mango]

Your crit might just be low

I'm simming mast > haste > crit

[young condor]

When i run a stat sim it says that mastery is the highest for me?

[rigid mango]

Sims are relative to your char

[daring atlas]

crit 26% , haste - 22%, mastery 32%

[rigid mango]

Both your haste and mastery seem to be in good spots

Sims are just relative, you still want crit

[young condor]

I've got crit 19, haste 25, mastery 35, vers 4

[rigid mango]

At some point maybe even vers takes over, I've seen a lot lf shit lately

[daring atlas]

ya my vers is 7.

[rigid mango]

It seems as with essences atm, stats are very close

[daring atlas]

so crit 26% , haste - 22%, mastery 32% , vers - 7

[rigid mango]

They're within touching diff of one another nearly always, from what I've seeen anyways

[civic palm]

Even dropping both DMG trinkets VERS still simmed well.

Going to Alch + Font.

AGI loses 5-10% value, everything else is the same.

[daring atlas]

Ya the damn blaster sims better than the 415 alch trinket

but I was curious how the 425 sims

[civic palm]

425 is almost 1% ahead of Compendium.

Will be behind Laser.

just replace both 3head

[daring atlas]

Damn

but that 440 lol is like 3-4 weeks out right

if you are clearing h every week

[civic palm]

weights with agi trinkets

Yeah it's a little out by the 425 trinket is .7% ahead of Compendium

in ST.

[daring atlas]

See that is so fucking weird.... mine is showing the fucking coral trinket as better than the compendium...

lol

maybe raid bots is trolling me

[civic palm]

Coral is better for sure.

[rigid mango]

Coral is nuts

[civic palm]

called it

[rigid mango]

With the updating logic usage for it in sims

It reflects how stupidly good it is

[civic palm]

I especially enjoy how OTL uses that stupid fucking trinket.

[daring atlas]

Well thanks for the conversation, i will just keep running it. Also are you guys using nightly or weekly when you run

[rigid mango]

Alwats nightly.

[unreal kayak]

any tips on how to utilize coral to the max have it in 430

[short widget]

So, the guide says to use haste > crit for single target, raidbot tells me to use gems/enchants with mastery, I know I should follow my sims, but what’s the logic behind it? Is there any in depth guide explaining each stat and their interaction with traits/essences? 🤔

[marble hemlock]

lucid makes haste less desirable

shifting the statprio towards other secondaries depending on gear/azerites

[opal pumice]

Do we precast the Azshara trinket before pull?

[marble hemlock]

the sim obviously takes all of that into account, so its more accurate info than general guidelines from the guide

[opal pumice]

And restealth=

[drifting cloud]

yeah you do

[short widget]

Yea, make sense, I’m simming with lucid dreams

I always follow my sim, just trying to understand what it tells me

Thank you

[timid cloud]

Am I misreading somewhere, what pre-pot are we using currently?

[ember rover]

Focused Power is still best.

[daring atlas]

I USE

st- focused resolve
multi - empowered prox

[ember rover]

At least, that's what logs show.

But I can see Unbridled being better.

[civic palm]

Considering 2 potions were close and then FR got nerfed, not sure how.

[lost horizon]

unbridled sims higher for me after FR nerf

🤷

[signal crag]

anyone using this dam Pocket sized with the cyclotronic blast?

[crisp steppe]

everyone

[spice cloak]

just got it actually

[ember rover]

Yea, I think Unbridled does sim higher, but logs show people in top ranks still using focused.

[civic palm]

Because they all bought those before the change.

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[signal crag]

can somone tell me the rotation please ? lol

[crisp steppe]

maybe not everyone but its good if you're wondering @signal crag 😃 use it whenever you have low energy

[civic palm]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[signal crag]

well im asking if you use it right from stealth with master assassin? for the higher crit chance

[crisp steppe]

master assassin doesn't work for it

[signal crag]

ah ok

so do opener when your low energy let it rip

[ember rover]

If I`m not mistaken, the sims use Cyclotronic after Vendetta is over, right?

[crisp steppe]

don't know what the sims do but vendetta doesn't increase cyclotronic damage

so odds are its better to use it outside of vendetta

[quasi pewter]

Conditions are in #wow-general pins

[ember rover]

Ah ye, so outside of Vendetta, TB and Lucid, when at low energy.

[signal crag]

cool ty

[fallow estuary]

Focusing iris by far best m+ essence?

[spice cloak]

wouldnt the benthic belt w/o increased threat generation be better ie aberation dmg one?

[ember rover]

For me, the belt is 1.08% of my dmg done.

While the abberation belt would be a flat 2%.

So I guess the abberation belt is indeed better.

[quasi ledge]

Unless you're not against an Abberation :p

[ember rover]

I mean that's obvious.

[spice cloak]

arent most mobs in palace aberations? not sure

[ember rover]

There's only 2 bosses that are abberations.

[urban plover]

only two bosses are aberations

[cobalt pelican]

the aberration belt is definitely better on aberrations but not many people have enough pearls to commit to those items right now so vims is probably better short term

when you hit those bosses on prog it shouldn't be hard to get an unsocketed aberration belt if required

[spice cloak]

oof dumped 420 into abberations one first oh well

[ember rover]

You got crit boots?

[cobalt pelican]

top logs generally aren't great to use for pots on heroic week like

[ember rover]

If you want to focus on one benthic item, that's the best one to do it on.

[cobalt pelican]

people legit just use w/e

there's people r1 using old agility pots

[wraith heart]

anyone elses sims going all over the place?

[cobalt pelican]

i've not seen anything to indicate unbridled is not the best by a decent margin on every fight, focused/agi are close together but behind by a decent margin and at least agi scales to multitarget/noramp

[dark crag]

Parses will not be decided by the pots you take

[cobalt pelican]

nah, but you can generally assume that once the tier settles the better players will know what to play

just nobody gives a shit on heroic week

[dark crag]

Even later on you can parse top with agi pot when all outside factors are infavor

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, i mean you can crit 100% of your spells and never get hit with anything but bleh

[crisp steppe]

@dark crag yeah lots of things need to happen to get r1 but using good pots is going to improve your parses generally 😃

[fresh ginkgo]

Also having a gamer chair

[crisp steppe]

dont forget ur gunnarTM glasses

[civic palm]

Also, racing strips on your computer case.

[fallow estuary]

Best M+ Essence Combo?

<3

(just returned and started playin patch basicly)

[dark crag]

Of course it is wise to use the best pot available, but expecting huge rank ups from it is not really optimal

My goal is 95+ and i even forgot pots at all or sneezed at crucial moments but still managed that

[cobalt pelican]

i mean, this week yeah

i have several pulls where i use my 2nd unbridled at like

7% boss life

epic gamer moment

i always forget it needs a minute and i'm like uhh shit

it got to the point i was going to make a 2nd bind for emergency agility pot

[fresh ginkgo]

Get her parses now before guilds start doing parse runs

[dark crag]

I needed to clear my bank of old pots and i failed that

[cobalt pelican]

nobody really tends to care about heroic logs after the first week (4fun) anyway

[fallow estuary]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fresh ginkgo]

True

[dark crag]

Nobody cares but heroic is probably the most logged difficulty

Also most mythic guilds will run hc a few ids more

[cobalt pelican]

idk what people are using in m+, i think people are still more or less doing whatever

[midnight flower]

Heroic is the new normal

[cobalt pelican]

oh yeah people will run it for sure and people try to parse to make it enjoyable but

it's just

whatever

[dark crag]

Exactly

[crisp steppe]

Cheap pots in m+ unless trying to push badly

[cobalt pelican]

old agi pots are like

80g a pop or some shit now

p nice

they're more than servicable for m+ pots unless you're doing big stuff (for you)

[crisp steppe]

Aye

[cobalt pelican]

it kinda sucks that the new pots have like

very different costs

like proximity is like 8zin and some old herbs too

and unbridled is just 6zin

kinda ?????

[deft shore]

Hey guys funny story. Accidentally scrapped my 435 WF dagger from Eternal Palace, because I thought I was scrapping the 415. Blizzard refuses to grant an exception and I have to wait til 7/22 to be eligible for item restoration. RIP me.

[vapid scarab]

so you'll do one raid reset without it

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[undone pasture]

Not a funny story thats just sadness.

[stable eagle]

are there any specific benthic items i should maintain? or just upgrade whatever?

[unreal perch]

so, I remember there was a site that compared all races for a class, trinkets, etc as a chart. anyone happen to have a link/know the site name?

[zenith gust]

herodamage.com

bloodmallet.com

[quartz dune]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[unreal perch]

danke

[rose sky]

So i just watched a video by infectiouse show a build, does the vision of perfection vendetta still cause nothing personal to proc?

[unreal perch]

it was hero damage, thank you very much

[quaint sequoia]

why the fuck does my 400 dagger sim better than my 410 version of the same dagger? xD

[undone pasture]

Socket? Enchant?

[quaint sequoia]

I'm simming for top gear so should try the same enchants? no sockets on them

[white basalt]

anyone got a weakaura solely for MA window?

i like my current WA setup but never added MA into it

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[wispy leaf]

@stable eagle look pins

[stable eagle]

Found it cheers 😃

[wispy leaf]

And always get a Socket on those items

Or at least try

[spice cloak]

gl getting one

[wispy leaf]

I guess they will probably getting nerfed on next reset

So maybe save ur pearls till then

[cobalt pelican]

just link the sim kakan and somebody can clarify

[spice cloak]

wouldnt live by what ifs

[white basalt]

MA or sub/ss for azshara? 😄

[cobalt pelican]

because it most definitely will not unless something has been input incorrectly

[strange python]

do you use font of power pre-pull?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

[jolly spoke]

so ass rogues no longer gem for Haste its all crit now?

[cobalt pelican]

it's whatever gives you the most damage, which can vary

[jolly spoke]

im sitting at 26 crit, 20 haste and 34% mast

[stable eagle]

got boots in 3rd open xD

[crisp steppe]

@jolly spoke im gemming crit cause its close enough and its better for m+ with exhoing blades

Thats it p much

[jolly spoke]

@stable eagle the haste/mast boots?

@crisp steppe well before i regem everything i figure id ask

[stable eagle]

yea socketed

[jolly spoke]

oh sheeet grats

[cobalt pelican]

crit is better than haste in my current gear and also more convenient so

[zenith gust]

why is sim to use device in pull instead of lurker's?

[cobalt pelican]

it's a bug

it'll be fixed in the next nightly, probably

[zenith gust]

k thx, i was like, wtf

btw, crazy sim machine is telling me to go full haste with lucid major, this is really confusing https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2pMwSdYokY6jDFvSMEQ74U

[cobalt pelican]

seems pretty normal

lucid does not mean haste at all values is now unequivocally not good

the stats might be a little off based on the apl being a but funky but

[zenith gust]

well, like i have same gear as yesterday, and was simming completely different

[cobalt pelican]

if you want to rerun the sim with the fix you can check up and manually fix it and see if it's still the same

or just wait till tomorrow unless you have a raid or something

[zenith gust]

nah, will wait, not enough brain to that kind of stuff

i just press buttons and pew pew

[ember rover]

I think there should be a disclaimer saying what we should gem when Haste is really close to any other stat.

If haste is 1-2% better than the rest of the stats, you can bet your ass you won't get that value in actual raid encounters.

Move away from boss for 5s, haste devalues.

Have boss do a random RP for 10s, haste devalues.

Any second of time spent away from boss, haste devalues.

[vagrant tapir]

are people really not running ct anymore?

[cobalt pelican]

every other stat devalues with downtime too that's not really how stats work

the only case haste is any worse than other stat with downtime is if you're consistently overcapping energy

[ember rover]

That's not true, according to sims, at least.

haste devalues at a much higher rate than the other stats.

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xzzGE1vU5fh34MLTzSt2Gf

Compare the same char as above, but simmed with light movement.

Haste is no longer best.

[cobalt pelican]

yeah you obviously hit a point where that is the case, like running lucid major on a sim with high downtime

[ember rover]

Yea, that kind of was my point initially.

[cobalt pelican]

light movement as a sim style should almost never be used

like, it sits at 100% energy for over 20 seconds

that's not a realistic situation

obviously the more haste you have the shorter the window of downtime you can have before capping

but i can't name a fight where there's such high downtime that i've been like 'damn wish i didn't have haste right about now'

[ember rover]

I think light movement is the most realistic way to sim for raid, tbh.

[distant lava]

[cobalt pelican]

what

[distant lava]

you what mate

[ember rover]

You've got plenty of times where you move out for mechanics.

[barren wadi]

ok so a couple buddies are having a debate on which we should sim. one says hectic add cleave cus it's single target with passive cleave, one says dungeon slice. so I figured I'd ask here for a tie breaker

[cobalt pelican]

they're both bad, dungeon slice is the better of two evils

take the first boss as an example adrian

you move out to drop your pool or whatever

do you realistically overcap?

[barren wadi]

we only do m+

[cobalt pelican]

oh yeah i know sorry i'm kinda talking to two people at once

only the first line is relevant to your wquestion

[barren wadi]

oh, ok. thanks

[nimble tartan]

Most mechanics give you ample time to dump before moving out to never overcap

[cobalt pelican]

use dungeon slice, don't use it religiously and apply some common sense is generally the consensus

do not use hectic add cleave probably ever

[untold current]

Should have asked in here, how is coral looking? SHould i bonus rol it?

[cobalt pelican]

good; maybe

[untold current]

not gonna worry about it for now then

[barren wadi]

thanks @cobalt pelican

[analog horizon]

!essenses

[ember rover]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/AwbJWBYN2GCgrZKD#fight=1&type=casts&source=14&by=target

Check this, @cobalt pelican

See those gaps?

That's on first boss, btw.

Every one of those gaps devalues haste.

I`m not saying haste is BAD.

It most certainly is not.

I`m saying if haste is super close to any other stat, you shouldn't go for it if you want your best output.

[cobalt pelican]

how does having gaps in casting devalue haste

compared to any other stat

it's not like you have infinite energy and any downtime you have leads to missed spells

it's very normal, well, optimal, to have gaps in casting

those gaps become smaller with haste

[ember rover]

Mostly lost white damage.

[cobalt pelican]

gaps in casting is not gaps in uptime though

i mean i agree with you if say for example mastery and haste are within like

a negligible difference of each other (margin of error range)

i'd play mastery every time

just for multitarget situations

but that's just not how haste works really

[ember rover]

Well if you think of white attacks as a spell with a cooldown reduced by haste, you can get a glimpse on why haste devalues when you don't attack.

[cobalt pelican]

yes you lose some white damage

those white swings can also crit

and apply poisons, which scale with mastery

[ember rover]

OK, let me put it another way.

Maybe it'll be easier to understand.

When you don't attack at all, you lose your DMG, correct?

So the value of all your stats, drop to 0.

But wait, you still have dots, that benefit from crit, mastery versa, and also haste.

[cobalt pelican]

the value of all your stats most definitely does not drop to 0

[ember rover]

If you weren't to have any dots on the target, you can say it drops to 0.

Since you do no dmg.

[cobalt pelican]

ok sure if you're doing nothing and are already 170 energy, i guess

i'm really confused

[ember rover]

Haste doesn't only devalues when you cap energy man, that's what I`m trying to say.

But yea, forget it, I might be too dumb to try to explain it.

[cobalt pelican]

haste doesn't only devalue when you cap energy no, but every other stat also devalues

and in real world scenarios you're not going to run into situations where your downtime is so high that hastes value is significantly lowered very often

i won't say never but like, i can't think of one on current or last tier

[ember rover]

?

There's one this tier 😃

He's even the second boss 😃

There's mekkatorque last tier.

[cobalt pelican]

and you think haste is significantly worse than mastery on blackwater

[ember rover]

I never said significantly worse, I said that if haste is 1-2% ahead of the other stats ON PATCHWERK, you're most likely to have better results going for the other stats.

[cobalt pelican]

o k

[shy dust]

does the Font trinket sim correctly?

[cobalt pelican]

precombat channeling isn't supported but besides that yes

[simple meteor]

where i use coral in opener ?

do i hold the crit stacks for 2nd vendetta or i use it straight on start ?

[ember rover]

actions.cds+=/use_item,name=ashvanes_razor_coral,if=debuff.razor_coral_debuff.down|debuff.vendetta.remains>10|target.time_to_die<20

You basically macro it into Vendetta.

[nimble tartan]

I love wow

[tribal marlin]

macro it to vendetta and don't forget to re-apply it after vendetta

then don't touch it before next vend

[untold current]

Sim telling me to not equip even 1 NP

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hCFLHuzmfwH9SMFmzb5qgZ

[glad compass]

how best do we use the Razor Coral trinket?

do we use the crit portion with vendetta?

[ember rover]

The answer to that question is literally above.

Last thing Mikihisa said.

[coarse quartz]

are we playing the benthic lottery

[zenith gust]

lul finally the boots... already outsimming old 425 at 385 🤦 ... https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eU46B8rzKcvR3L4HWfyzi1

[coarse quartz]

or are we waiting on nerfs?

[cobalt pelican]

considering there's been no indication of nerfs i'd get gambling if i were you

[ember rover]

If you have lv 120 alts, buy the benthic token on your alt, then send it to your main WITHOUT opening it.

And after that, open it on main.

That way you can fish for the sockets on your shitty alts 😄

[coarse quartz]

the wrists too?

my sims are showing its 400 dps over the mythic 445

425 w/socket frost damage wrists

[vapid scarab]

[cobalt pelican]

in an ideal world you'll have all 4 pieces socketed

[ember rover]

^

[coarse quartz]

wait 4 pieces?

wrists, waist, feet

[ember rover]

Hands.

[nimble tartan]

Nerf benthic NOW

[cobalt pelican]

i thought you loved wow

[ember rover]

Bracers are 1.5% of my dmg.

On average.

So bracers are super strong.

[cobalt pelican]

love it with all its faults h e he

[coarse quartz]

which hand piece are we lottery-ing for?

crit strikes heal?

[ember rover]

https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=170334/poens-deepsea-grips

[coarse quartz]

oof im dumb

ok thank you

[ember rover]

Problem is, there are 5 hands.

So good fucking luck getting those with socket.

Belt there's only 2, so easy peasy.

[nimble tartan]

I’m gonna go outside blizzard hq tomorrow with big chains and a lock on my wrists feet hands and waist so blizzard knows how I feel

[coarse quartz]

loooool

[nimble tartan]

Chained and trapped by the benthic

[cobalt pelican]

just don't use it

be woke

[ember rover]

I`d say, out of all the pieces, the most important ones are Crit boots and the belt.

Crit boots cause they're insane, even though rare, and belt since it's easy to fish for.

[frank sentinel]

but... they are all giga important

[ember rover]

That's obviously true 😄

[frank sentinel]

hehe

[ember rover]

I`m just saying that the first two you should go are boots then belt.

[frank sentinel]

shoulda never made it to live in this state

if they nerf, it'll feel very very bad for those that did the grind

if they don't nerf... it'll still feel bad when i never replace them til next raid

[ember rover]

Option 3, make them EVEN STRONGER 😄

[cobalt pelican]

two of the wrists are playable so

[nimble tartan]

Sign my petition with enough signatures we can destroy benthic

[ember rover]

I`d not be mad if they made them upgradeable all the way to 440

For like 200 and 300 pearls.

Gives you reason to do Nazjatar

[frank sentinel]

Benthic is great... sockets on benthic 🙅 OP effects 🙅

[nimble tartan]

They tuned the boss for obtaining mythic level gear over the course of a few weeks right but when you get gear that’s equivalent + better than mythic already it will pose a big problem and I think you’ll see hella damage check bosses get blasted

[ember rover]

If benthic can be upgraded more than just 425, you can think of it as a pseudo nerf to the bosses each week.

Since you get stronger each week by simply upgrading your benthic pieces.

I would see that as an absolute win for casual mythic guilds.

[nimble tartan]

it’s already a nerf to the bosses considering they are equivalent and better than mythic Ilevel equivalents

[ember rover]

And people will still get stuck.

[nimble tartan]

Yes and I think them farming earlier mythic bosses + cache is better than having 410 socket benthic beat out 450 ilevel stuff

[old quartz]

^

[nimble tartan]

It’s just not fun either for you to not get excited when 4 of your slots are locked

[ember rover]

They're not locked, though 😃

You work for them

[drifting cloud]

ofc they are locked

same as how legendaries and tiers locked slots, not much different

[nimble tartan]

they are already locked at 410 ilevel socketed it’s not good at all

[drifting cloud]

unless you get that giga tf thats going to be maybe 100 dps upgrade then

[arctic walrus]

Is a SoB worth over a 2nd EB in high keys

[old quartz]

define high keys

[drifting cloud]

flawless is running 2 eb 2 ss 2 ttk in 16s atm

[nimble tartan]

And tbf if the pearl system was implemented to go deeper and one day with hella pearls you can get a mythic level piece that takes hella weeks that’s fine but the floor where it’s already better than mythic is way too low

[arctic walrus]

an 18

[old quartz]

2/2/2 preferred, can also do 3ss, or 3ttk

adjust the others accordingly

[arctic walrus]

I have 3ss, 2 eb, 1 ttk atm

[old quartz]

thats gucci

[arctic walrus]

Hmm mechagon trinket or a kimbuls

[nimble tartan]

Mechagon bro

[strange python]

[cobalt pelican]

cyclotronic has a laser so

basically always cyclotronic is the answer

[hollow gyro]

want to use lurkers and mechagon trinket but two on use feels gross. 😐

[ember rover]

It's not bad.

[arctic walrus]

Dribbling sims higher on dungeon slice than 415 lurkers

Idk about that tho

[ember rover]

Since you don't use Cyclo on pull due to the fact taht you can't use it paired with vendetta.

[cobalt pelican]

everything feels fine till you get font and then want to die

[ember rover]

Font and inkpod seems to be the easiest to manouver.

[fast canopy]

So Ori's tidal wristraps is the absolute best? Because I just got Neri's Wavebreaker bindings with a socket

[reef axle]

Finally got 415 font with socket, just can’t find anything good to pair it with, tried lurkers and it feels horrible lol

[modest violet]

just to make sure

whats the best ST pot right now?

[slow jackal]

finally? the raid has been out 3 days

[ember rover]

@modest violet Unbridled Fury, by far.

[spice cloak]

lo @slow jackal

[modest violet]

not focused resolve?

[ember rover]

@fast canopy check this: https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/6YxJXrAzta9fDFq3#fight=18&type=damage-done&source=5

Check dmg done by Frost Blast

1.47% of my dmg.

That's actually insane.

[fast canopy]

woah

[ember rover]

For a random effect on an item.

[fast canopy]

Yeeah ok

Thanks for that btw

[cobalt pelican]

ori > fathomstalker >> neri for wrists but they're all playable, i'd recommend not settling on neri but it depends what your pearl income/commitment is really

if i got a socketed fathomstalker for example i'd just say fuck the oris and move on to other pieces

[ember rover]

Ye that's decent.

[lost horizon]

fathomstalker you can settle

[ember rover]

Just make boots your #1 priority.

[lost horizon]

cause it wins if there's any aoe

[tender barn]

did they stealth nerf echoing blades?

[fast canopy]

I just heard the news about benthic being bis.. so i just started blowing pearls man. Im in pearl debt right now. Cant even gamble

[tender barn]

420 azerite echoing blades is only doing 1.1k dmg

swerar it was more

swear

[ember rover]

If you have alts, siphon your pearls from your alts into your main.

Buy the benthic item on the alt, send it to main without opening, then open on main to fish for socket.

[fast canopy]

Yeah Ill be honest i'm over najatar lol I finally got rank 3 or lucid dreams i thought i was done then i watched preach's video

[cobalt pelican]

if you want to do it the lazy way just do the intros on your alts and wait f or emissaries/fat wq days

[south horizon]

hey guys, im trying to better understand the correct usage of coral. previous replies on the topic have basically said to macro it into vendetta, and reapply after vendetta ends. how does this work in the opener? do we macro the first application into vendetta, and then not remove until the 2nd vendetta, after which we reapply when available, and remove in each subsequent vendetta for crit?

[drifting cloud]

I thought you just let it stack till next vendetta

since the crit buff lasts same time as vendetta

[south horizon]

the crit buff starts on the second use of the trinket. first use applies debuff, second use removes debuff for crit, third reapplies debuff

[tribal marlin]

yes you apply it as soon as possible

so basically you shoud apply it directly with you 1st global during opener

[south horizon]

do we hold stacks until 2nd vendetta though?

[tribal marlin]

yes

[south horizon]

ok

[tribal marlin]

so you macro it to vendetta to make it easier but you still need to have it on a separate keybind to apply/reapply it

[ember rover]

Does coral go on cooldown when you use Font of Azshara or Lurker?

[tribal marlin]

I think so

[ember rover]

Does it apply the 30s trinket CD?

[south horizon]

yep. so its really only the first vendetta that it changes. after that it becomes vendetta/remove buff, then reapply when possible

[tribal marlin]

it does put pocket sized in cd

that's it @south horizon

[fair stag]

hey guys I've been popping Blood of the Enemy right after 1st toxic blade... then pop Cyclotronic during crit buff... is this the right way to set it up? How do yall do it?

[ember rover]

^ hell no.

[fair stag]

How should it be?

[ember rover]

Cyclotronic should be used outside of Vendetta, TB and when on low energy.

So you basically use it when everything else is on cooldown.

And you're at low energy.

[fair stag]

Ok... what about Blood essence? Or are you not using it?

[tribal marlin]

I don't think anyone tested the bote into cyclo thing for rogue but I know it's the way ferals are using bote xD

[ember rover]

But because blood is always paired with Vendetta, doesn't that mean that you're ideally never going to have Cyclo pair with BotE?

Since Cyclo and Vendetta are mutually exclusive.

AS it's 4s wasted on the vendetta buff.

[tribal marlin]

yes that why I don't think it's worth doing it for rogues

[fair stag]

So when exactly are you popping BotE?

[ember rover]

On pull, right before your vanish.

After TB.

Opener should be like, Muti - Rupture - Muti - Garrote - Vendetta - TB - BotE - Vanish

And then your normal rotation

[white basalt]

!keys

!m+

[prisma monolith]

Use the fight style Dungeon Slice (Beta) for a M+ simulation on Raidbots.

[placid dawn]

is arcane heart good?

[vapid scarab]

not really no

loyal and tides are way better generics

once people actually have raid gear loyal is gonna be OP as fuck

[untold current]

Wait I missed that change. So MA opener with BOTE is no Muti - Rupture - Muti - Garrote - Vendetta - TB - BotE - Vanish, and not Gar, MT, RuP, Vend?

[ember rover]

Ever since the Crit pot got nerfed and is no longer used, the new opener is Muti - Rupture - Muti - Garrote - Vendetta - TB - BotE - Vanish

Into Envenom - Muti - Envenom

[untold current]

And if not using bote?

Old opener?

[ember rover]

Correct.

[warm ibex]

so MA opener starts with mut now?

[untold current]

If using bote

[warm ibex]

okay sweet

[ember rover]

No, MA opener WITH BotE starts with Mut

MA opener without BotE starts with Garrote as it always did.

[worn crag]

What's bote?

[white basalt]

Currently gemmed and chanted for mastery. Anyway to sim if all those gems/chants were +crit?

[ember rover]

Yes, get the simcraft addon for wow, then import the string into raidbots.com

Then tick the change to sim with crit gems / enchants.

[magic fossil]

bote means??

[worn crag]

Ah now I got it blood of the enemy

[magic fossil]

!!!!!!!

thanks

[worn crag]

Which trait combination should I use in M+?

[opal meadow]

is anyone farming BoD for titanforges?

[cold stream]

Which is more important, shrouded or echoing for m+?

[opal meadow]

Like a 455 Kimbul's

[ember rover]

@cold stream They're both important.

[opal meadow]

depends on your group

some groups chain pull and shrouded isn't as good

[ember rover]

Most people run a combination of EB + SS + TTK

[opal meadow]

because you're always in fucking combat

[ember rover]

You don't chain pull bolstering 😄

[opal meadow]

tru

[cold stream]

I only have pieces with one or the other, not both

[sudden trench]

2xss 2xeb 2xbi

[opal meadow]

Gold tassled espaulets can get both

Raiment of the Blighted tribe can get both

gotta roll that residuum :^)

[cold stream]

But I don't have those, so in the mean time I need to chose

choose even*.

[opal meadow]

Probably EB?

[sudden trench]

Then go ss

[opal meadow]

i dunno

[ember rover]

What pieces you got?

[sudden trench]

You play nefl?

[ember rover]

Alliance LUL

[cold stream]

nah human

[civic palm]

HORDEHAHAHA... o _o

[vestal carbon]

So what dungeons are the go to for farming 10’s next week?

[opal meadow]

any but probably not boralus

KR for a plume

[sudden trench]

Well as with nelf is good. Smeld stealth is great

[opal meadow]

Wait does Smeld give you stealth?

[ember rover]

Personally I`ll go for trinket value

[sudden trench]

So if you have to choose go ss, the new affix doesn't need as much aoe

[ember rover]

KR for trinket, then I`ll try to get socket on rings.

[cold stream]

ty for advice 😃

[sudden trench]

Smeld stealth works for trash, not bosses

[vestal carbon]

Which one for wep?