same with soaks
#assassination
nimble tartan
frigid briar
Yeah indeed
nimble tartan
debuff i mean
potent raft
@nimble tartan what setup did you use on za'qul?
slim socket
415 kimbul/ 430 ashvane beats 415 pocket/410 uunat while yesterday it was like 800dps downgrade 
nimble tartan
regular setup master assassin Blood 3 Major Lucid 3 minor
flint jetty
did you go delerium?
nimble tartan
naw i was up the whole time
crystal vault
@slim socket i got every sim different results, even with same gear etc. pretty weird
slim socket
well for me everything is working fine except the fact it shows upgrades on items that yesterday were huge downgrade
spice cloak
sims=grain of salt
slim socket
and for example usage for coral is the same as it was before when it simmed 800 dps downgrade
ancient onyx
mighty elm
ow, the mecha trinket is simming lower now
solid nova
Simming lower than what?
mighty elm
well simmed 140 higher than my 415 socketed kimbul yday
ancient onyx
it's simming 500 lower than yesterday for me
mighty elm
kimbul is 10+ now
solid nova
Oh wtf
nimble tartan
trinket working fine for me
mighty elm
sim on nightly or weekly?
ancient onyx
I tihnk it's just APL simcraft update
nimble tartan
im also seeing kimbuls beatin it out by +20 now but i dont think anything changed
i also dont see how kimbuls could beat out cyclotronic it doesnt even come close to doing the same damage
ancient onyx
sims are fucked rn imo. We gotta wait like 2 days
solid nova
Just use Nightly?
nimble tartan
ye prob just something broke within simc usage of cyclotronic rn
spice cloak
your item lvl isnt the same even
solid nova
Dude
mighty elm
its cuz its showing diff trinkets
solid nova
Thats because the kimbuls lvl lol
mighty elm
😂
solid nova
Ofc its different
spice cloak
then the dps would be different right
solid nova
Ye ye
I take it back im not dummy
Well i assume there'll be a tc-update if anything major has been pushed though
Nothing i know of though
mighty elm
"- With Master Assassin and Blood of the Enemy, use Blood into Vanish+Finisher after TB within Vendetta. (Thx to Mikihisa for investigating this.)"
so we dont use is after vanish anymore?
or master assa i mean
nimble tartan
correct
mighty elm
someone was talking about how u dont want to use it with vanish thought
covert epoch
!Essences
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
mighty elm
because u overcap crit
crystal vault
@nimble tartan unbridled fury?
nimble tartan
yeah
mighty elm
are you sure? nightly is still using crit
nimble tartan
force it to use fire youll see an increase probably
royal lantern
im on EU and will probably unlock in tonight
nimble tartan
im still trying to figure out why kimbul simming close to laser now
when nothing really changed
frigid briar
Kimbul didnt sim as well as logs said it should for a few weeks imo
Mabey something been updated?
mighty elm
its not kimbul that changed tho, laser dropped
frigid briar
Hmm
latent tendon
Didn't laser also get buffed right after?
Iirc it couldn't crit before and it ctits now
I could be wrong
mighty elm
yea sim wise tho is sims 300-400 less on nightly
solid nova
It can crit ye
nimble tartan
maybe with thiccer ilvl all that huge agi gains is making it close
royal lantern
its not worth your sanity
arctic walrus
I'm halfway there thoughhh
nimble tartan
bro i already got it im not entering a bg for another day
cold rampart
guys what minor essence do u use?
arctic walrus
Vision (:
cold rampart
what about azerite?
slim socket
Iris as minor
sullen sphinx
Iris sims as my highest major single target. Should I take that seriously or go with blood haha
strange python
What are the best benthic secondaries
mighty elm
the apl is kinda wierd atm, if you do a 5min sim, the last vanish is 14 sec into the vendetta, and if you do a longer sim, it doesnt even use vanish at all on 4th vendetta
crystal vault
dark crag
How can the apl desync vanish when both are 2 min cd and with ma?
mighty elm
well with new APL it saves vanish for toxic blade
so it gets delayed more and more by every vendetta
it still uses vendetta on cd
glass tundra
am i able to sim myself comparing level 2 blood of the enemy vs. level 1 memory on single target or should i just trust bloodmallet
crystal vault
i cant trust raidbots these days too.
dark crag
As outlaw you can't trust anything
glass tundra
how tf do i compare essences in sims
mighty elm
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7iXadfkGsTJ7woJRDPDBJt Y U G E sim with unbridled fury
crystal vault
@rise 80agi gem ♿
dark crag
Sim worldvein, it should go higher
mighty elm
nothing has changed 😮
distant lava
it's killing me
rav is gonna get some insane 455 socket gear aswell
never comes around 
arctic walrus
What's more broken the trinket or the potion 🤔
distant lava
@mighty elm what's that lurkers tho
from you I would have expected 420 socket at least
arctic walrus
I only just broke 38k last night 
mighty elm
i need that big 4 0
arctic walrus
405 dagger btw :pepeclown-1:
mighty elm
dusky tinsel
another rogue in my guild has a 425 lurkers, hurts my soul
nimble tartan
someone EXPLAIN https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bETgvYNiZ8K6RnFEjXGnko
fresh flint
I've been doing some testing with the ashvane's razor coral, how many stacks would you reckon it to be best to call them back? probably alligned with some cds i suppose?
arctic walrus
It hAs a sOcKeT tHo
cobalt pelican
kimbul good
arctic walrus
How much crit do you have
cobalt pelican
i explain
fresh flint
27,78% or 1208 whichever value you prefer
real bay
38k what the fuk man
cobalt pelican
best use found so far is just using it with vendetta so
rigid mango
real bay
meanwhile simming 35.5k with 7 sockets
solid nova
@nimble tartan Okay so
It must be in relation to Mystlers #tc-updates post
- Suuper minimal gain with Blood to not Garrote during Stealth/Master Assassin in the opener, so it becomes Muti->Rup->Muti->Garrote->... or Muti->Muti->Rup->Garrote->... with Rup at 4+ depending on Seal Fate CP. This is really negligible over the course of a full fight but if you wanna minmax for MA opener burst, there you go.
Which would explain the changes being in Nightly
Which does make sense, considering the sim difference
And looking at the sims posted by you and Rise, you're both running MA/Blood
vestal carbon
For next week, I’ll have enough residuum to roll 3x 430 pieces, worth it? Or wait another week for the 445 azerite
nimble tartan
i just dont get it bro..
solid nova
Well next question is
If the change pushed forward into Nightly is actually correct
Because seems odd to me fam
Just hold on to your mechas and kimbuls and if theres a re-change change (?) i'll holla
vestal wren
could be related to punchcard too
solid nova
Yeee
mighty elm
i just see the punchcard being the difference in the sims
cosmic pier
yeah something must have changed with puchcard, my VIGOR is back on top https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ga61AmjoMFZ4uicpChQhQi
vestal wren
changing that line back gave me an increase for nightly
old line vs. current one
but then, not sure if its related to the change or sth else
mighty elm
🤔
cosmic pier
yeah lol
junior flume
Yea really not a fan of that eaither
nimble tartan
i like it 😦
mighty elm
it grew on me after it got an 20sec internal cd 😛
frigid briar
I have a 420 dice and id rather use it than mechagon trinket
nimble tartan
when will we have deep ai do our simmies for us
cosmic pier
need 5Head sim bot
vestal wren
haha not very soon probably
solid nova
F
drowsy scroll
Where did you change that line Fuu?
tropic ocean
@vestal carbon i would not roll 430 like if its a bad piece ur bis 420 will probably better i personally just go straight for 445
Can get decent 430 helm from hc anyway and rest ill just use 420 until 445
solid nova
Yeah i wouldnt waste TR on HC pieces mate
vestal wren
in the apl
tropic ocean
didnt sim it but pretty sure 420 dd/np will outsim 430 dd/x or x/np
vestal wren
i did:
run a sim -> copy apl (from profiles tab) -> change line in apl
frigid briar
Diluted waters sims pretty will with DD and NP
solid nova
Id rather wait another week for 445 piece
Considering you'll reclear in that time too
frigid briar
More than NP and DD
tropic ocean
its a gamble still
frigid briar
In reality its pretty trash on some fights
solid nova
Yeah
cosmic pier
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
cosmic pier
there you go
neon sedge
ty
frigid briar
Not bad. Think these 5000 TR mission table quests will be weekly?
night vale
i got a green boe reward from my quest....
frigid briar
Is that where they come from?
cosmic pier
i sure do love my green boe missions
frigid briar
Ive had 2 since patch
frigid briar
Makes sense
cosmic pier
36k island score then talk to dude at the table
frigid briar
First thing I do on reset is 3 pvp islands
ornate meteor
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2g8793Zr8nZc1LEJWefnCj suddenly my haste weight is on the bottom, sitting at 9% nani is this
frigid briar
Probably why I never noticed where they were coming from
arctic walrus
@omr your kimbul is probably due to essences cuz a 420 with a a socket is very behind for me
solid nova
@arctic walrus Use Nightly
junior flume
Any tips on simming or good guides or such? I get the basics of it, but I find it difficult to get everything optimized due big changes in stat weights from essences and trickets and so on.
vestal wren
best advice is to use topgear
junior flume
Alright, that's what I've been doing so far. But what about rotation changes, I've seen people talking a bit about that today, due to essences most likely.
solid nova
Rotational changes based on Essences are usually covered in guides
The wowhead guide specifically takes essences and explains how it changes your rotation
As well as the pinned messages here
(The wowhead guide writers are also community figures here) ------->>
junior flume
Yea I'm using those, a lot. I guess I kinda just wanted to get closer to spotting some of those things on my own 😃
long hill
how the fuck u can sim 38k O.O
arctic walrus
Idk why my phone is set to weekly mb
long hill
holy moly
marble elm
Not even 39.6 
solid nova
440 weapon life
long hill
is it fine simming with gear compare?
arctic walrus
Imagine having 10 sockets and barely simming over 38k 
dusky tinsel
gear compare is good if you're trying to fish for something that you don't currently have, i.e. should you use a re-roll on a boss for 'x' piece.
cosmic pier
god why do our secondaries have to be so close, makes simming a nightmare
solid nova
Get a new piece? Sim it during trash 
long hill
Thx all 😃
chilly dagger
if its so close one to another just go for ilvl
cosmic pier
barely anything in it
chilly dagger
damn this is really close one to another
sour wasp
does vision proc np?
dusky tinsel
your haste must be super low if its your highest priority with rank 3 lucid lol
the dream
marble elm
It procs a 3 second debuff of it
chilly dagger
@sour wasp it does
sour wasp
ah ty
celest swan
EMpowered proximity still isnt fixed in apl right?
it is at max agi at 3 targets still as far as i can see
not full but more then superior agi
lilac sparrow
what is the best way to use Razor coral?
arctic walrus
So did trinket get nerfed or something with apl changed
solid nova
Nothing confirmed yet
Its related to the opener change with MA/Blood not using garrote at the start
But if its effecting Mecha trinket or Kimbuls and why isn't known yet
neon sedge
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
long hill
@solid nova where can i find the rotation used from raidbots?
long hill
Oh thx
solid nova
Scroll down to the Action Priority List, and you can see the Sequence Table
And it'll show you everything there and its conditions
cosmic pier
no scroll up a bit
dusky tinsel
are you using BoTE? might be why
strange python
nope lucid
signal summit
how do u guys get lucid rank 3 so fast
cosmic pier
also the book that mrrl sells that give you 150 on each
strange python
I mean I resimmed but it's still doing a garrote and a MA mutilate + toxic blade before the envenom
mighty elm
link?
strange python
mighty elm
O_o why is it using mecha trink before lurkers :/
strange python
Ok, I have Ashvanes, but it sims lowers than Highborne compendium O.O
topaz vine
the trees only drop one per week tho.. right?
topaz vine
how the fuck do you sim so high.. im 424 and sim 32.700
cosmic pier
ilvl isnt everything
topaz vine
no but i have some what okay gear.
cosmic pier
link?
strange python
yeh sure in that gear set
vestal wren
pls put the higher prio trinket in slot 1
cosmic pier
lul
quasi pewter
wasnt the opener change only supposed to be with blood essence?
vestal wren
the order of trinkets can be relevant in a sim, as it will always try to use slot 1 first
quasi pewter
that we dont garrote first or 2nd global
vestal wren
yes
strange python
Yeh I'm not using blood and it's still doing that for me
quasi pewter
maybe cause i have very high crit ? cant find the condition
mighty elm
so to make it clear, they changed the APL because they say it does more dmg, but now we sim 300 less or
strange python
vestal wren
it was with MA in general not only blood
strange python
garrote ---> MA TB --> MA Mut seems a pretty high chance to overcap
quasi pewter
cosmic pier
since high crit + 3 dd likely make the 2 mut more valuable than garr for damage
vestal wren
try changing the apl line
actions+=/call_action_list,name=cds,if=!talent.master_assassin.enabled|dot.garrote.ticking
to
actions+=/call_action_list,name=cds
strange python
how do i change an apl line
celest crescent
Hey guys, got a question. Just got benthic soc wrists (pufferfish ones). Should I upgrade it or wait for a frost dmg socket? (assa rogue)
vestal wren
click "full html report" -> open your sim -> open the profiles tab -> copy apl from there -> paste and change the line
i think its better to fish for other slots with socket
instead of for another wrist
celest crescent
I have crit boots socketed so it's fine
cosmic pier
look at the balance https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/87uv1qotwVgEmpycZSBrev
oof
strange python
ye just found it guess im partially blind
cosmic pier
vestal wren
moment
vestal wren
how to change the apl line back to old opener:
https://streamable.com/tfer5
robust cloak
whats the current assassination meta for m+? i'm assuming 3 ttk/2 ss/1 eb
vestal wren
this should be quite understandable
quasi pewter
no garrote until 6th global in my sample sequence 🤔
robust cloak
will stat weights be the same or are we going to be looking for more haste? felt very slow trying to single target down emissaries in my first s3 key earlier
real bay
put up some bleeds and fixed
woven summit
What essense combo you mostly using?
celest crescent
for m+ I use iris main and lucid minor
celest crescent
27%
woven summit
What's your highest stat?
celest crescent
mast atm
shy axle
strange feeling to not use a haste enchant on my daggers
woven summit
Yeah I use a crit enchant
And Forced multiplier on main
What essense combo you use for raid?
woven summit
Nice Ill probably go subterfuge though because I have 2x SS
What about essense combo?
celest crescent
lucid + worldvein? (not sure about that)
woven summit
Im asking fo others not for myself
pearl pagoda
currently using blood+lucid for heroic azhara
does some koo koo dmg in the perfect timing windows
woven summit
Noice
mighty elm
@vestal wren did you check the APL after changing it? cuz im getting a headache by looking at it
honest heath
is the portable compute device trinket good if you get the right cards?
vestal wren
wdym?
vestal wren
^
vestal wren
i saw a slight win in rise's sim with the apl change i showed
but from looking at the sim it comes from a slight delay in cooldown usage
mighty elm
well, i wont be following this APL thats for sure ^^
polar forge
Toxic blade -> garrote pog
tribal marlin
for some wierd reason
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/x7NFj8YCMAZTDUuPvL9RG9/simc the sim the guys linked
it use pocket device in the opener, so no lurker during vendetta, I think it might come from that (the 300difference)
quasi pewter
ah true just noticed
real bay
no lurker 
quasi pewter
it uses lurker with lucid
tribal marlin
even with the fuu's fix it's not optimal it use garrote after vendetta xD but here is does use lurker insteed of Pocket device explaining the 300 dps difference
quasi pewter
ye
tribal marlin
The lurker thing have more impact than we thought because it will use Lurker's not lined up with vendetta so every vendetta will use pocket device insteed of Lurker's that why there is such a big difference
shy axle
So most people use either lucid or flames major and either lucid minor (always) or these azerit veines buff ? Can i trust raidbots with that essence combos?
quasi pewter
worldvein depends on whether ur melee camp has other people using it
my whole raid has it as minor as its so strong so i can use it
urban junco
tribal marlin
here
the exact same simulation (the 38300 one) but I just added a condition for it to not use Pocket Device in the first 20sec of the fight
naive pier
whats the best way to open when theres 2 targets, using MA
lets say queen of ashara, at the beginning there will be two naga's, with SS i garrot them both and vendetta on the main target
but with MA feels abit weird
tribal marlin
I think Garrote Mutilate tab mutilate rupture mutilate garrote Vend TB and full ST during vendetta
then refresh dot on 2nd target before 2nd TB
pbly not even worth it and better to just funnel ST into one of the naga but I'm not sure
naive pier
tab u mean swap target yes?
tribal marlin
xD at least you don't have trouble with tabbing not targeting the good target in heavy aoe situation
tribal marlin
I have S binded to Feint
and I think it's a big mistake to remove backped but meh
I'm use to it since like 2009
sour wasp
anybody tested vision of perfection? simmed it but i feel like its a hit or miss
major i mean
tribal marlin
I don't even have it yet xD
cobalt pelican
i don't have s bound
probably never will either
it's not an easy button for me to press so i j ust never bothered
honest heath
for the punchcard, which cards am I looking for? outside of the raid trinkets this one is supposed to be pretty solid if configured correctly, right?
kindred cedar
What cards do u want for assa rogue in trinket? is the revered card u can buy OP for us to?
urban junco
sour wasp
@honest heath cyclo for the red slot, and your stat prio for the yellow one, blue is irrelevant
proud needle
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dXaibDxCsvtmYZQbT5VLdJ I feel like shit 
honest heath
ok thanks! cyclo is...rustbolt revered, right?
sour wasp
ye
honest heath
appreciate it!
marble elm
Vision of perfection not too good
sour wasp
@kindred cedar not necessarily op anymore, with the hotfix you might see a slight dps loss compared to other good trinkets but it depends on your gear configuration
marble elm
It owned on ptr when it applied a full nothing personal
scenic nacelle
Feels bad, Vision had potential
marble elm
But it’s short like the vendetta now
sour wasp
ah too bad then, it sounded really good in my head
marble elm
On ptr with 3 np and vision np was doing like 30% of my damage
shy axle
if i use flames major and lucid minor, which prio has flames active ?
would you go with it as it is?
proud needle
I have 1020 poly 
vestal wren
@tribal marlin if the wrong trinket is used first a change in order of trinkets in the gear (slot 1 the higher prio) should solve the issue
tepid ridge
what do we use as prepot / repot now with the pot fix?
marble elm
Unbridled fury
tepid ridge
feelsgood 😄
flat pulsar
What azerite powers would I use for m+ as sin?
shy axle
2x bridled or bridled only for pull and greater agi as second one?
shy axle
wowhead says focused resolve on ST, bridled on cleave and proximity at 4+, is that correct or just flat out bridled for everything?
was using greater agi pots so far
marble elm
Focused resolve got nerfed
shy axle
ok, so flatout bridled?
marble elm
Tbh I havent even looked at proximity so can’t speak for aoe but use unbridled on st
sinful badger
I’m just here to rant that I’m currently sitting fully undergeared compared to my raid team and have received 0 loot from 7/8 heroic with 7 rolls used
That is all
marble elm
I though I remember hearing that proximity is bugged and not providing enough agility not sure though
shy axle
@sinful badger F
sinful badger
Fucking RIP
shy axle
had the same in BoD, no luck for the first ID in hc Ep either. So lets see haha
sinful badger
It just feels like a major setback
When in reality i can potentially get geared af next week haha
mossy ferry
well, at least the first boss drops weapons 
frigid sleet
my whole stats priority changed overnight 
urban junco
scenic nacelle
New personal sims show Cyclo as dps loss Pepehands
rotund mural
is simcraft working for this patch? confused that crit sims highest, and haste almost lowest
rancid bobcat
have you thought of what that may actually mean
slim socket
@rotund mural haste sims lowest because of lucid dream
rancid bobcat
damn i wanted him to try and think for himself
slim socket
sry
rotund mural
Ahh right, thank you @slim socket for the answer ^^
rancid bobcat
teach a man to fish
potent raft
what are your opening 3 globals when running MA?
I thought it's mutilate, envenom, mutilate -> into rupture etc
but i am now watching a video on openers and the guy says you still start off with bleeds which seems wrong to me
ancient onyx
maghar orc is the best race right?
untold current
@potent raft Check the guide at top
celest swan
is the MA opener now mutilate multilate rupture?
the guide says garrote opener
apl says otherwise now
carmine lynx
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bvDHCEqg8F5Df3NvdyES3f I mean at this point is it even worth it ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/qfdxgfxJr2r2UoqUDjX6h4 ?
i mean the coral simming 20 dps over 410 lurkers
strange python
What is better stat prio for raiding?
quasi pewter
whatever sims highest
vivid loom
is force multiplier worth it? im using it and it dont seem to proc more than the secondary stat increase enchants
junior flume
It sims slightly higher for me
marble elm
Sim it but yeah probably
celest swan
@untold current i said chekc the gudie at top u mean the general ravneholdt guide?
celest swan
its apparently somehting changed now thats not in the guide
spark oyster
@celest swan check tc-updates
gentle path
TTK or shrouded for mplus?
severe bough
im using 2 shrouded, 2 EB
celest swan
some calrification would be great here^^
severe bough
for m+
quasi pewter
yea confused about that too since apl does it even without blood
celest swan
what makes sense for me casue why would blood change the first three spells?
severe bough
you get crit dmg for 5 seconds
after using the major
so you must spam FoK on that period
the eb damage is absurd
quasi pewter
were talking about st opener atm
robust light
whats the best st new pot called? forgot
quasi pewter
unbridled fury
robust light
cheers
spark oyster
@celest swan idk really. You'd have to ask Mystler
celest swan
@surreal torrent u hear us? 😄
quasi pewter
its good right now because we dont have raid essence r3 yet
i doubt were gonna use it on st once we have it
severe bough
last time i've simmed basically blood, lucid r2 and iris r2 sim the same for me
i do have blood r3 but i hate how it doesnt sync with vendetta
i guess i could sim essences
quasi pewter
you should
quasi pewter
but blood major lucid minor is very strong
severe bough
im using iris major lucid minor, but i can def swap to blood
quasi pewter
for st?
quasi pewter
yea i would use something else for sure
severe bough
major is questionable tho
quasi pewter
i highly doubt its ur best combo if you have blood r3
severe bough
Yeah im about to copy my simc right now
ripe nimbus
R3 blood sims horribly for me it depends on ur character
quasi pewter
remember worldvein essence is really good minor if ur melee camp is all using it
junior flume
R3 lucid and vein r2 sims best for me, but that'll need people to have vein as well
severe bough
how does worldvein work
do i need ot do something to ge tthe main stat
or just sitting on melee
quasi pewter
no
low junco
@severe bough you need people in melee with worldvein in order for it to be good
quasi pewter
well i mean i guess he doesnt need lucid if he has enough people in melee camp
surreal torrent
@celest swan it was that minimal gain with blood and neutral otherwise so I changed it generally
severe bough
celest swan
can u explain why it is a gain with blood? i dont see the difference
quasi pewter
@surreal torrent is there a way to force the old opener in apl to test for own character?
severe bough
Well, i have 41% mastery
if i can get to do fat 5 cp envenoms on that 5 sec perior
then the dmg would be huge
tribal marlin
opener wont change anything
severe bough
probably not
tribal marlin
the only probleme now is trinket usage that need to changed a bit
tribal marlin
what essence ?
severe bough
im 100% sure lucid r3 will beat iris rank 2
but so far it does
and for a significant amount
like 400 dps or sowething
pliant hill
Hey I was wondering if someone could help me out real fast, I can seem to find a weak aura or any kind of announcement addon to let people know in m+ my poison bomb has been dropped
junior flume
So they won't kite them away?
pliant hill
Yeah happens all the time
junior flume
I don't think that it'll matter, it's up for such a short amount of time
pliant hill
Well I would like one regardless if anyone has one 😃
junior flume
Uptime is 2s isn't it?
main mirage
Is it worth going subterfuge on Azshara? Or should i problaly just stick to MA?
glass relic
i'm sure the question has been asked but, how do we use cyclotronic blast? i'm guessing vendeta doesn't buff it?
devout scaffold
yo which flavor do i want on my benthic gear?
tough whale
Vanilla
quasi pewter
you use blast when out of vendetta out of toxic blade, bleeds up 4+ seconds and under 70 energy
tough whale
@glass relic pins in #wow-general have all use conditions for each spec
bitter flax
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gloomy steppe
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bitter flax
Are there any Benthic pieces I should prioritize? I'm 413 but I mean like "bis for all of 8.2 raiding" pieces. Already messed up and upgraded a piece w/o a socket :/ . Didn't know they could forge until yesterday. Couldn't find a list to use
tough whale
If you're heavy rolling for the pieces you could buy 2/2/2 of belt bracers boots. They all seem to sim roughly the same increase, although the aberration will be used less than the other 2
But specific types are in pins
honest heath
I spent a little over 100 pearls for socket boots and nope...never a socket..got more of the crap boots than the good boots
devout scaffold
is the increased crit damage the preferred benthic attribute?
tough whale
100? Sweet summer child
bitter flax
Ah I scanned right over the Benthic question in the pins because of how it is under the Bolded unrelated headline
tough whale
I'm more than 800 deep with only 1 good piece
bitter flax
jesus @tough whale
bitter flax
Thank you very much guys 😃
Mgiht wanna fix the pin and I'm sure less ppl would ask 😛
honest heath
i dropped about 50 on bracers and yet to get frost...debating if I want to keep trying for them or just to upgrade my non socket crit boots
tough whale
I mean if you REALLY want the benthic train
devout scaffold
what about gloves?
tough whale
If you get good either socket go for it but I'd use Pearl's on items you WONT replace
Mythic+ 6 drops 415 dont burn 100 Pearl's on that
honest heath
i think the belt is only good for 2 bosses in Palace
tough whale
It is, but at the same time it's a socketed belt with normal secondaries
pliant hill
Well found the WA 🤣
honest heath
the BOA benthic gear isn't class armor bound right? like my DK alt can buy gloves and send to my rogue?
tough whale
Yes
That's why we are farming Pearl's on like 6 chars to funnel 
Phone stop doing that to Pearl's
honest heath
jebus
from the intro quest...I got the boots (no socket) so they're 400 already..might just keep them and upgrade
and spend a few more pearls for frost bracers
lucid bolt
can anyone give me advice on my sim ? https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3pJ6NgrkFiJEuCdDJT8B4F
desert kelp
which punchcards are the best?
desert kelp
cycl blast is red or blue?
tough whale
Red
desert kelp
aight
tough whale
@lucid bolt subterfuge and crucible of flame?
lucid bolt
is that bad?
tough whale
Rank 1 lucid is much better for assa, and subterfuge is losing to MA almost across the board in EP (youd still use subt and shrouded in m+)
lucid bolt
ive never tried lucid before
desert kelp
wait is MA better than subt for Raids?
tough whale
On 7/8 fights yea
lucid bolt
pins ?
desert kelp
I see
lucid bolt
aight definitely switching to MA later
tough whale
Yeah MA is just preforming so well lately
lucid bolt
doing a talent compare now
tough whale
You're gonna want dd/np/maybe a ttk instead of shrouded for ma sims
desert kelp
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7U5nBV9kp4yWAUcn78Y8Dw MA sims way less than subt
tough whale
Because you're using 3 ss traits..?
desert kelp
fair, fair, which should I have instead?
lucid bolt
wish there was a way to change traits and talents for simming
tough whale
Double dose np, maybe 1 twist the knife. Maybe 1 blightbourne
lucid bolt
i dont have sim add on also at work 😦
tough whale
But if you sim compare and have 3x dd and 3x np and compare against your ss sims itll be quite a bit ahead
lucid bolt
ill definitely give that a shot thanks man
tough whale
Also granted its single target and subt will pull ahead on sustained cleave for your 2mins
barren talon
if we cap conquest points this week is it a guaranteed 415 weapon?
it's showing a dagger but it says "sample reward". I dont wanna farm conquest points for gloves lol
wide hedge
for me its a 410 weapon, and you can choose between dagger, sword, fist weapon etc.
but its safe a weapon
cobalt pelican
pretend you have it
scenic nacelle
Ok, I just pretended but I can't see my sim lol
tough whale
@barren talon you choose out of any spec weapon, so outlaw or dagger will be offered
desert kelp
yeah simming less than subt
why do you sim so much more than I do
oh you have 2 neck essences, maybe that has something to do with it
uncut nova
I have 400and 405 xD
quasi pewter
i mean you have 1 essence and its rank 1
quasi pewter
2nd essence is a lot
desert kelp
Oh so more ap grind to be useful, sure did miss this
astral tangle
55 is a big dps jump
quasi pewter
also subter is always gonna sim higher if you have a shrouded trait
desert kelp
I tried to get minimal shrouds
quasi pewter
you can play with shrouded aswell but then you have to play subterfuge
ember viper
sorry if its been asked before but whats the best way to use the ashvane trinket, not sure if its best used on the pull and then with in every vendetta window after the first or wait until the last vendetta and use all the stacks in one go for silly crit chance?
quasi pewter
and if you play with subter its usually more shrouded-> better provided ur other traits dont suck
scenic birch
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vA9WtEfn1kAVoXiVKHunUi I see some rogues here with ilvl 415 and 35k sim dps and now im aksing me: wtf is wrong with my sim dps? Or is there something im doing wrong right now? I hope u guys can help me
strange python
getting fucked over by RNG /shrug
urban junco
main mirage
My memory of lucid dreams (rank1) sims higher than Blood of the enemy(rank2) can this really be true? I know im behind in ranks, but still
proven latch
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warm cave
Do you have another trinket besides Loaded Dice?
bleak spoke
Also if you have a decent socketed ring at a much higher ilevel it could be good
Much lower*
err i'll give your sim a run
scenic birch
Yeah i have the freehold ring with socket on 415 aswell. Also very other trinket, but i think its easier to play witth 1 on use trinket
bleak spoke
dice and lurker's is good
hardy sequoia
hey guys whats our go to potion right now? agi or focused resolve?
urban junco
quasi pewter
unbridled fury is our best pot for single target
bleak spoke
@scenic birch https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/35PaFByPfaw3TLgU1S29gb slight gain
i don't have raidbots prem now though
scenic birch
tyvm but i still dont know how some rogues get up on 38k sim dps
bleak spoke
benthic pieces and many sockets
if you sim statweights and just multiply it out sockets can be worth over 150 dps each
scenic birch
hmm ye u right
vernal fern
For m+, should I go 3xSS 1x EB or 2xSS 2xEB ? 2xEB seemed nice with BotK but with Iris I'm wondering if it wouldnt be better to go 3x SS, also with reaping gone im seeing not much %dmg at the end of the dungeon from EB, but a shit ton of SS dmg, even with only 2
shy axle
use what suits you, all fine. 3x SS most "dps", 3x tk most "useful dps" and 3x Eb or 2x Eb for the normal aoe.
afaik Seli used 3x TK lately (?)
shy axle
yes
vernal fern
value because of bolstering?
vernal fern
aight
tropic ocean
while rest of your animal team braindead aoe pumps
vernal fern
xd
2 people spamming Iris on a pack with a 1M mobs surrounded by 10 low hp trash
gonna be sick
so running 3x SS, 2x TTK and 1x EB is kinda alright ?
tropic ocean
I had 8 stack crusher today
vernal fern
😄
vernal fern
not sure it will gimp it since from now I was using 2x SS and 2xEB, and noticed that EB damage at the end of dungeon is really compared to garrote dmg
really low*
tropic ocean
then you must do smth wrong
or not pull big enough for me its
echo->azerite beam
with 3 eb
vernal fern
yeah probably the pulls that were pretty small overall
wary ice
wouldnt double iris shorten fights --> ss less useful than eB?
rancid bobcat
if packs are dying faster that means you can do higher keys
tropic ocean
lol
XD
@vernal fern ss is very op in 3 target cleave fights
but the bigger you pull the more eb will outshine it
vernal fern
alright
tropic ocean
in 2-3pack pulls with just spamming eb and beam essence usualyl 150-170kish
so yeah if u pull pack by pack eb wont do much for u
could even go 1eb 3 ss 2 ttk
sacred hatch
best pre pot now?
tropic ocean
or 2 ss 3 ttk 1 eb however u like it
vernal fern
thanks for the answers^^
shy axle
anything new regarding the azerite pieces you want from residium? Still Goral and Ceph ?
Gorak
hollow junco
not this patch cycle
bleak spoke
does anyone have a decent weak aura for vision of demise
latent tendon
i'm confused
my stat weights say crit is highest
but topgear is asking me to enchant and gem haste
woven summit
Thanks Infernoo
latent tendon
how does that work
bleak spoke
go with top gear
statweights don't take into account you losing stats when you regem
hollow junco
your stat weights would inform your decision if you had an existing empty socket
woven summit
yeah statweights says i need crit, but when i put one crit socket plus it says crit is shit on the next sim
confuses the fk out of me
bleak spoke
man can someone with raidbots prem figure out this mess for me https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vuyEBmfoPfp3xyXjVf32Yr
it's actually all over the place cuz i don't have enough iterations
small island
is the pocket sized trinket bugged on raidbots? it shows lower stats than ingame and the cyclo blast amount per execute time is 135k but i never see it do less than 200k ingame
rancid bobcat
o
bleak spoke
the azerite and shit's probably fine
but i can't sim all the gems + enchants without going way over
rancid bobcat
do ring enchants
bleak spoke
i guess yeah
rancid bobcat
use that as a dowsing rod for gear compare
you can do it in a hacky way by editing your /simc output
leaving a few sockets open
and untick replace
look at what ring enchants say as well as your stat weights
cobalt pelican
w/o ring enchants
best i can do on my poor ppl raidbots acc
just has mastery/haste/crit gems and wep enchants with kimbuls thrown in
maybe some high roller can come along and just dump all your gear in but eh
bleak spoke
ty ❤
man i hate how like
previously could piece together lots of sims
but now stats are so heavily weighted and there's so many invisible breakpoints and stuff interacts so dynamically you kinda can't
honest heath
is sin or outlaw better in m+ now after the wit trait nerf?
cobalt pelican
yeah idk with essences i feel like i need like 20m iterations to get anywhere
fiery hazel
Do what feels good.
honest heath
well...not having to reroll RtB always feels good lol
empty badge
or am i wrong
peak surge
Both specs are good comes down to your gear, and what you're better at.
bleak spoke
All three specs are incredible in m+ rn
bleak spoke
I think with equivalent performance at the highest level with all available gear it comes down to comp and dungeon which spec you play
And affixes
empty badge
at how many seconds for a 4cp rupture?
bleak spoke
Oh
cobalt pelican
5.4 garrote 6 4cp 7.2 5cp
bleak spoke
I feel like one of my rotational deficiencies is refreshing early with a 4 point rupture
Leads to some bad energy consequences on the next tb
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wary ice
@bleak spoke My rupture wa changes color twice; once at 7.2 and again at 6.0 (i did green yellow red)
helped me with that
celest swan
@surreal torrent already any guideline wiht razor coral regarding add switches etc. how long i have to swap on an add for it to be worth reactivating, cause i lose value when not hitting the razor coral target?
polar forge
is apl still busted?
shy dust
So we should be using blood of the enemy after vendetta but before vanish correct?
cobalt pelican
just keep your eye on #tc-updates and it'll be there if anything gets confirmed for cleave usage for coral
fleet whale
so is lucid dream bad now for sin?
cobalt pelican
n
and for bote it fits just after vendetta/tb at 5cp you blood vanish env mut env
tender barn
my sims tell me my best trinkets are asharas font + lurkers. is it better to prepot the font?
the sim says no but idk if it accounts for that
so i can line up both in my vendetta
fleet whale
oh nvm, looking at logs quite a few people are still using lucid. Subter seems dead though
celest mica
What’s the best piece for assas when it comes to Benethic gear ?
fleet whale
boots i imagine
tender barn
it would end around like 10
fleet whale
should be bis
tender barn
i'd start pull with 20s or so of the buff
celest mica
I have boots and belt right now at 425 just trying to figure out is there anything else that’s good that I may be missing
tender barn
but i can do my standard opener and line them both up in my vendetta with the lurkers
and in the future it would be lined up
nimble tartan
why would udo 15s before pull
tender barn
20s active trinket cd
cobalt pelican
i doubt losing like 30% of the trinkets length to line up 2 trinket buffs overlapping for 5 seconds is very good
tender barn
they overlap for the whole vendetta
5 of the 15 seconds would be casting the trinet
so i only lose ~10s
at the end of the cast it gives you the 30s
nimble tartan
yeah 2500 agi is gonna be alot more than 900 mastery or whatever from lurkers
tender barn
hmm ok
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cobalt pelican
it's a 30 second buff with a ~16 second second cooldown once the cast is accounted for so you'd get like what
14 seconds of both?
it's an interesting thought tbh but i doubt it's close to worth it
tropic ocean
@fleet whale well subter is not dead it heavily depends on what you want to achieve
in multitarget fights if you go for log you'll use subter
but I guess in "progress" people just used what gives them highest st
court, zaqul def. subter fights if wanna push
celest mica
Wait so is blood of the enemy better than lucid right now for a major ?
hollow stone
Highest sim is highest patchwerk sim. You need to use your brain too, like aug is sayin
tropic ocean
@celest mica 
hollow stone
Blood r3 SEEMS to sim better than luicd r2
celest mica
I have just making sure I’m not missing something ?
hollow stone
But yea. Sim
tropic ocean
well you are missing something
noone here can know your stats or gear or what essences you have so
you need to sim it
as you can see in current hc top rogue logs theres ppl using everything
some use lucid some blood
cobalt pelican
people ask what the best x is so often actually it's weird
nimble tartan
master assassin best st setup, imagine if there are 2 targets, thats 2 bosses you can damage thats double st damage 📖 🤓
stay woke
hollow stone
Until everything is r3, and even then maybe not, you cant have cookie cutter answers
celest mica
I feel like it’s back during season one and everybody was all over the place
tropic ocean
on r3 it will be life force major lucid minor + x
but even then they are not so far away from each other
hollow stone
You use what you got
nimble tartan
anyone else playing support rogue and puttin this belt on https://i.imgur.com/Z6fSeEd.png
every 2 minutes im givin my boys a socket
tropic ocean
does it stack?
hollow stone
Yea. Exactly aug
nimble tartan
with a crit gem in it
tropic ocean
like if 20 ppl wear it 927*20?
nimble tartan
i think so
crisp steppe
might be possible to play around the storm of the eternal if it always happens at the same times
otherwise its like 75crit rating?
crisp steppe
sseems like its basicly worth like 1.5 sockets that effect
it just isn't applied to just you
and if you can play around it
it will obviously be more valuable
crisp steppe
its up 1/12 of the time
920/12
and you come to like 75 crit when you average it out
its just not crit thats all on your character
tropic ocean
it shares between the whole raid no
crisp steppe
yeah
its still 75 crit averaged out across ur raid
depends if you want to sim high or contribute to raid
but maybe you can play around the effect and with enough of these things it ends up being worth it? not sure though
heavy crow
Should i go double for echoing blades/shroud suf for M+? or throw in a nothings personal
crisp steppe
np only does ST damage. generally not good for m+
maybe you like it for killing emmisaries of the void? not played a lot of m+ yet
tropic ocean
depends hard on what you are doing and your group rn
if u lack st forthe shadow mobs
sure go np
but for general m+ its bad
vapid needle
Has anyone simmed vision of perfection with nothing Personal?
crisp steppe
you desync vanish with vendetta using vision of perfection @vapid needle
its not good
jaunty comet
Are we moving away from Shrouded? Just curious as I am running 2x Shrouded, 1x NP and 3x Dose right now and with the essences and such if we're making a change.
karmic kite
based on heroic, palace is not a very ss friendly raid
vale quest
which major do you use in m+
strange python
What kind of opener would you run on ST with ST traits
tiny arrow
With MA it's Garrote-Muti-Rup-Vendetta-Vanish-Toxic Blade-muti-envenom
civic palm
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naive pier
Hey guys i know when u crit u get like an extra combo point
but somtimes from 0 to 5 points
how does that happen\
sand whale
just got a 445 crit/mastery punchcard on my druid feelsbadman throwaway alt
tiny arrow
That's fan of knives. Every crit gives combo point.