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rigid mango
woeful minnow
Simulation options => Show more options => Potion
slender urchin
Thank you!
strange python
just handed iin the crafting quest
with 20 pices
pieces
why dont i see the engi 425
tall geode
have you learned the recipe?
strange python
dont see it from the naz vendor
prisma carbon
whats your engi skill at
strange python
170
prisma carbon
and you crafted the 415 version?
outer hatch
Recipe gets dropped into your bag. Probably just need to find/use it
outer hatch
Yep!
strange python
ty
vagrant wigeon
nothing personal still best trait ?
vestal wren
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
valid spoke
If you're lacking aoe you could go SS + Sub
covert mesa
need weakaura 4 vision of demise trinket, lootet this :/
willow osprey
fading spire
what should i queue to get max honor for bote ranks
opaque tree
I heard just regular bgs @fading spire
Just spam them over and over. Oof.
I haven’t even started bote yet, dreading it, honestly.
fading spire
cant wait 😃
spiral blade
There are also quests for Ashran, Wintergraps, AV that give 1.5k honor if you havent done those since 8.2 drop
acoustic atlas
I thought mine were close, yours are dead even. https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6T5vDzKF5KTpL8sof5KKwZ
vagrant wigeon
!azerite
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o
distant lava
when all your stats are the same
means you go for ilvl
but use topgear not statweights
vagrant wigeon
1 nothing personal / 3 double dose / and 2 shrouded suffocation is the best way ?
short token
why do i see everyone stacking mastery?
my gear is relatively the same and mastery is my bottom stat by far
peak musk
how do you use azshara trinket ... this thing sucks 😮
solemn meadow
peak musk
only normal
short token
nice humble brag
civic palm
@peak musk You press the button when it's off CD.
and probably channel it before combat.
Should cover the entirety of Vendetta.
peak musk
y, have done it but puts lurker on cd .... 2 on use suck hard
civic palm
They sure do.
umbral mauve
how do you use the azshara trinket ?
karmic kite
lol scroll up like 10 messages
umbral mauve
Oh my bad, sorry
zenith gust
@solemn meadow not realy
vocal ginkgo
guys should i sim and check which weapon enchants are best? icy veins says deadly main hand and quick off hand or what do u guys recommend?
civic palm
Focus + Deadly
strange python
on ashvane can i cloak the bubble prior to it being on me or anything
vocal ginkgo
@civic palm thx
civic palm
You can cloak the DMG but it will not remove the DoT.
Scratch that, you MIGHT be able to cloak the DMG.
1 second
Can't remember if it's physical or something stupid.
ripe bramble
You want to cloak before the bubbles even go out? That's such a waste if it doesn't pick you
mighty elm
On ptr im pretty sure you could cloak it fully
civic palm
There are two bubbles on the fight, specificity is required.
Briny can be cloaked entirely.
The bubble from Rippling Wave and the DoT thereafter are different.
ripe bramble
Rippling Wave DoT cannot be cloaked pretty sure. I assumed he meant the Briny since he said "being on me"
civic palm
My assumption as well.
Either way the burst from Rippling Wave can be cloaked personally I am pretty sure, and since the DoT damage is FROST you should be able to mitigate some of the damage.
Though the DoT remains.
Both being "frost" damage.
and listed as being in the Frost school.
civic palm
Rippling is gonna fuckya, for sure.
rigid mango
It's like the pools on mekka
ripe bramble
Rogues would most likely be literally required for mythic if you could cloak Waterlogged off
civic palm
This doesn't state that when it "fades" the effect is triggered.
rigid mango
I mean
civic palm
So you might be able to just Cloak it with people inside and not trigger it.
civic palm
or pallies > _>
empty mesa
Im sorry to ask this, but what is the BiS essencse for us on ST? is it still lucid dreams?
civic palm
or w/e
Yeah sure.
FOR NOW
I am pretty sure I stacked and then cloaked it off and didn't trap the other 3 people, don't remember exactly though.
Will check when I do Normal later.
thorn bronze
granite rampart
I’ve spent almost 600 pearls going for those damn boots. never lucky
ripe bramble
You guys are gonna get them just in the time for the nerfs on monday
woven summit
Crit still the best for aoe?
stiff nest
is bloodmallet currently accurate for trinkets?
robust mantle
Unbridled Fury is best pot to use?
sweet flame
only real difference I see offhand between bloodmallet and herodamage is inkpod
bloodmallet does seem to sim with subterfurge though
while herodamage uses ma
hazy geyser
so is the azshara trinket THAT good? i mean garrote mutilate rupture channel for 4 seconds seems kinda annoying
soft warren
do we use this at all?
sweet flame
for the stats maybe
lost sentinel
vale quest
sweet flame
prolly iris
gray abyss
how is assassination currently doing in mythic+? are they still dominated by outlaw?
sinful fern
Pulls aren’t the same as last season, also no reaping. Things are slower, so Assas with ss is really good right now. That may change with different weeks
I always love outlaw for +, but I ran sin yesterday in a 12 waycrest and it felt fine.
maiden onyx
Do you have a AOE set or did you just run with single target
gray abyss
sounds good i love the assassination spec, sadly i havent got in groups before cuz i play assassination
sinful fern
Ran with ST, I should have put at least 1 ss on, but I didn’t
strange python
If they were hating on sin last season they were idiots @gray abyss
gray abyss
Well it wasnt just once, they told me "outlaw have 100 times stronger AOE nub"
hazy geyser
now with focusing iris everyone has AOE
floral loom
they were just memeing you
sweet flame
tbh, idk why you wouldn't have played outlaw in most dungeons last season
much less effort to do well with
strange python
bc it's not fun.
tropic scroll
hey any idea how to use ashvane razor coral?
strange python
got 3k last season from only playing sin and consistently being top dmg
ripe nimbus
Gearing for sin for M+ is so aids if ur a raider and need to focus on raid traits first it's just so easy to gear outlaw for both raids (when u need for AoE dihhts) and M+
hazy geyser
sin can top dps but you cant compare it with outlaw the adrenaline rush when you get 200k dps on reaping was amazing lmao
ripe nimbus
Gearing for sin for M+ is so aids if ur a raider and need to focus on raid traits first it's just so easy to gear outlaw for both raids (when u need for AoE dihhts) and M+
hazy geyser
sin can top dps but you cant compare it with outlaw the adrenaline rush when you get 200k dps on reaping was amazing lmao
strange python
rdruid, warrior, monk, dh or Outlaw rogue
ripe nimbus
Gearing for sin for M+ is so aids if ur a raider and need to focus on raid traits first it's just so easy to gear outlaw for both raids (when u need for AoE dihhts) and M+
hazy geyser
sin can top dps but you cant compare it with outlaw the adrenaline rush when you get 200k dps on reaping was amazing lmao
ripe nimbus
Gearing for sin for M+ is so aids if ur a raider and need to focus on raid traits first it's just so easy to gear outlaw for both raids (when u need for AoE dihhts) and M+
Gearing for sin for M+ is so aids if ur a raider and need to focus on raid traits first it's just so easy to gear outlaw for both raids (when u need for AoE dihhts) and M+
civic palm
There's no announced nerfs and no reason to nerf them if people are willing to put the time/resources into them/.
Man I love when Discord doesn't deliver messages...
Man I love when Discord doesn't deliver messages...
civic palm
She doesn't love you 
odd ginkgo
Does anyone know if [Person-Computer Interface] is any good? according to sims its like 1 dps, which obviously it not right
upbeat hazel
so how do i use font trinket?
urban junco
white basalt
Any sin pov videos for azshara yet? I'd really love to impress my guild tonight:)
celest mirage
out of the 3 bethnic gear listed in the pinned messages, which one of them should I prioritize getting?
civic palm
Boots
celest mirage
do you think a 420 with a socket of those boots will out perform the 440 with a socket we will get from lw?
quasi pewter
yes
celest mirage
I dont know how powerful the effect is
gloomy slate
3% crit damage
gray citrus
question friends
so how do we know that blood rank 3 is better than lucid rank 3 for major slot even though sims say lucid rank 3 wv rank 2 minor is higher
quasi pewter
do we know?
blood is gonna be irrelevant for raid soon anyway, no point in farming it if you dont like pvp
civic palm
o _O
stable totem
Its bethic wrist, feet and belt that is our bis yeah?
tranquil lodge
anyone found a good way to sim different combinations of punchcards for the Pocket-Sized Computation Device? (without having to overwrite and destroy the old ones etc)
carmine herald
Hi, i'm 55 on my neck what essence should i take for the passiv ? I have in my active slot lucid dream
astral tangle
Sim it
short token
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
carmine herald
ty
sonic spindle
I heard some specs have benthic as BIS? Does sin have any of that pre-raid BIS gear?
tropic ocean
naive ridge
how to use correct Ashvane's Razor Coral ?
sonic spindle
Oh the pins got updated, noice. Thanks.
loud kelp
what pre pot are we using for single target on palace?
tropic ocean
either fury or agi
atomic saddle
Can you use Azshara's Font of Power prepull or do you lose the buff when you pull the boss?
low junco
yes you can @atomic saddle
atomic saddle
awesome
crystal vault
Hey guys, which azerit items will you gamble? i got bis BoD 3xNP 3xDD and nothing in raid simms much higher. got blackwater chest and simms lower.. so dont know what i should gamble next week for. hc/or mythic items 
spice cloak
raid azerites look like trash tbh
crystal vault
yeah zaqul is the only item
so would you buy 430 or wait for 445 mythic random item and pray for god?
granite mist
Red punchcard from mechs revered. Sims really strong but no mention of it in guides? Is it worth using or causes energy capping issues?
cobalt pelican
it's worth using, usage pinned in #wow-general
i'd wait for a 445
the goal for me is to get zaqul/court items at 430 before mythic progress really begins
and roll shoulders
granite mist
Thank you.
arctic walrus
Does the damage effect go on cd if you drop below 50%
cobalt pelican
no
sick owl
So I did a top gear sim and it told me to go x2 Force Multiplier on my weps. But I had some doubts about that so I decided to check here.
Is my top gear sim telling the truth or should I run with Force Multiplier + highest weighted stat navigation?
cobalt pelican
link the sim if you can
sick owl
Nice work. Forgot about that. My bad
cobalt pelican
things get missed sometimes
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/bgaZ5gAoFZj1VqcRnnrNLv is the basic resim but my iteration count on my account is low so feel free to do whatever
glacial grotto
fucking hell, 26% base crit and i get 20% envenom crit% even when using MA, someone hates me
cobalt pelican
you just need to condition yourself to expect to never crit
and every crit is a surprise
glacial grotto
the other 2 rogues had 55% and 48% crit 😦
cobalt pelican
were they playing blood and you weren't
glacial grotto
nah we were all using lucid/shards
glacial grotto
i always seem to have lower crit % though
cobalt pelican
are you using the tb env opener as ma and they're not
you'll pretty much always be bias towards yourself but there's minor stuff that could impact it
glacial grotto
nah i used the env opener
idk it just feels like i never get crits with MA anyway lol
crystal vault
is prey on the weak the play for azshara the hulk ?
tropic ocean
Maybe they are using focused resolve?
tropic ocean
55% is insane
ember rover
The way the Hulk works on Azshara, when you use a CC on him, he can only be CCed again only by that same spell.
So if you have 2 rogues, you can chain Kidney Shot it.
For 9s of stun.
But if you use kidney, then any other class stuns it, the hulk breaks the stun and becomes immune.
frail gate
Dumb question but is the 440 version of alchemist stone with a socket not counted on trinket sims?
crystal vault
sounds like a bug hm?
frail gate
When I say that I mean like herodmg and bloodmallet
ember rover
@frail gate It's there, it's just super bad so you have to scroll down.
tropic ocean
Did you kill it @ember rover
vapid needle
Has anyone simmed vision of perfection with 3 nothing Personal?
frail gate
Oh I see it, its under a dif name ty ty, didnt realize it was that dogshit, guess there's no point in turning in the abyssal shards or advancing that upgrade aspect
somber otter
I'm so confused why is mastery my #1 stat according to sims. I thought mastery wasnt so good
cobalt pelican
what lead you to that conclusion
somber otter
it use to be haste all the way, then i took a break
cobalt pelican
stats are a lot more even than at the start of the expansion
mastery was above haste for me even at the end of bod before we got FREE energy
ember rover
Lucid Dreams devalues haste a fuck ton.
The Lucid Dreams minor destroys haste values.
somber otter
didn't know this
cobalt pelican
all stats are good right now expect your stats to swing around a lot
somber otter
thanks everyone!
tropic ocean
did you kill queen azshara @ember rover
ember rover
No, we're fuckign around right now.
Killed 7/8 first 2 hours of Wednesday and now guild decided we can fuck around for a few days.
Wait for other people to get the tactics out so we can copy them xD
tropic ocean
I tried loyal trait but
It doesnt seem to perform as good as expected
But maybe cuz we only had 3 in raid so far
warped wind
does haste increase the my bleeds tick rate
tropic ocean
527 from mythic though
ember rover
Ye but you don't have mythic, do you? 😄
harsh goblet
is there any info on ashvanes coral usage
ember rover
334 mastery for me means 968.6 DPS
SO that's how much, in theory, Loyal to the end gives me with full stack.
naive pier
Can someone tell me how lucid is actually played and is it wrong to love blood of the enemy more 😦 \
ember rover
Whilst a Double dose of same ilv gives 1.4k
@naive pier, right now, the best combo is BotE major + Lucid Minor.
If you have Rank 3 BotE, that is.
ember rover
Yes, you keep BotE for Vendetta.
strange python
spam reg bgs, ally gets around 2 min queue times if you take mercenary buff
naive pier
what do uy mean reg bgs? and what is the mercenary buff
ember rover
You go to Mugbala and talk to the Human near the Conquest chest
He gives you a 1h buff that allows you to queue as alliance.
Alliance gets 50% more honor.
naive pier
nice info guys ❤
what do u think about azerite i wanna go 3 nothing personal 2 double dose and 1 SS
Hero damage says undulating tides is better than double dose
main mirage
Yo, so i sim higher with Focused azerite beam, than Blood of the enemy. Does raidbot not take the echoing blades + BotE synergy into account? Or is beam just better for me atm?
for M+ that is
strange python
memebeam just blasts tbh
near nacelle
guys with blood as mayor do I hold it for every vendetta or do I just align it with the third one
wooden fog
When can alliance do heroic warfronts
tropic ocean
@ember rover y ur mastery so low?
334 mastery would be 1299 for me 😂
Probably some less as mastery increases stat weights will shift
But atm its weighted at 3.89
frail gate
Whats everyone spending their mechagon matts on? Any point in crafting the 420 thing or just wing it and hold them
naive pier
@faint widget can u confirm please on what i said top ❤
ember rover
@near nacelle you keep Blood for Vendetta.
With the crit pot nerf, you want to use Blood right before vanish.
strange python
for the traits? i've heard undulated is good but i havent got my hands on it yet, just sim anything you get. dd is still solid, as is at least 1 np and ss for cleave
ember rover
Right now, MA is better than Subterfuge. So SS aint that great.
I mean, it's good, but MA is better.
atomic saddle
some fights are not purely singletarget so subterfuge and one ss isnt that bad
naive pier
How do u actually play with MA
civic palm
You Vanish and push not Garrote.
civic palm
Probably a combination of Mutilate, Toxic Blade, Envenom, and Rupture.
Rupture being the worst opion.
naive pier
and on opener
civic palm
Opener is the ONLY time you will use Garrote in the MA windows > _>"
So there's a SMALL exception.
ember rover
@civic palm you no longer do Toxic Blade into MA window
According to TC Research:
- With Master Assassin and Blood of the Enemy, use Blood into Vanish+Finisher after TB within Vendetta. (Thx to Mikihisa for investigating this.)
civic palm
That's with a specific Trait.
ember rover
It's with the BiS essence.
civic palm
that requires a level of near braindead grinding.
ember rover
Right now BotE is bis.
rigid mango
Just like rn cyclo sucks, amirite 
ember rover
I don't know what you're implying.
Almost everybody is using BotE.
I guess everybody's bad.
ember rover
I was talking to Zine.
rigid mango
I was just making the regard that you were hopelessly wrong before, I fully know how good bote is
civic palm
But anyway, very popular in practical parses for one reason or the other.
red plaza
whats the maths on how long it will take to get R3 Life force?
civic palm
I have to throw a certain number of people out just because they're likely using Blood3 because they grinded all that idiocy and won't NOT use it now even though it COULD BE worse.
Not many people, but some.
ember rover
Well, Sims clearly show BotE rank 3 > anything else except Condensed Life-Force R3.
naive pier
@civic palm man i need to learn the rotation and stuff with MA and BotE any good site? or anything
proud compass
Is there any info out yet about how to use lady ashvane trinket best?
civic palm
Yeah plug your stuff into Raidbots and see what it does.
If anything really dumb stands out, or isn't possible on the boss you are on, change it.
rigid mango
If you're new and still learning, just use standard MA shit
In a couple of weeks the niche where you use MA diff w blood will be gone
civic palm
Blood inside Vendetta, push your buttons.
The difference isn't enough to matter.
For most people.
rigid mango
Regardless, the diff is menial
lost tree
how long do i need to get this stupid ass achievment for BotE? got like 2k or so right now
ember rover
It's a lot 😄
What they said above, I`d suggest not caring about it and wait for the raid essence.
lost tree
so use lucid dreams then or what?
frail gate
My crucible of flames sims hihgher than lucid
civic palm
What neck level?
lost tree
55
red plaza
lucid/worldvein and lucid/iris are good choices as well. sim yo self
ember rover
@frail gate more than half of Lucid's damage is baked into the minor.
civic palm
Flame | Lucid is easy.
lost tree
okay will givve it a shot thanks 😃
civic palm
Even though we don't have high level Flame.
It's hard to fuck up.
Almost impossible really.
frail gate
@ember rover What do you mean?
ember rover
I mean, Lucid Major + Minor sims say that it gives 3.3k DPS
ember rover
Of that 3.3k DPS, almost 1.8k is from the minor.
civic palm
ember rover
^
civic palm
That Major is the Major+Minor.
frail gate
Okay so heres my stupidity rofl, does using lucid major give you the minor as well?
civic palm
ergo, the Minor is worth more than the Major.
ember rover
Yes, you get both.
civic palm
Using the MAJOR gives you the MINOR, yes.
rigid mango
Major always gives minor
frail gate
Okay so on raidbots does the sim not count for using both major and minor?
civic palm
It do.
ember rover
But since the minor is more valuable than the major, you can use another major that is better than the major of Lucid.
frail gate
Cause my sim selecting crucible major and worlvein minor sims higher than lucid major worldvein minor
Ill link in a sec
ember rover
OK, Noki, what's 3348 - 1779?
cobalt pelican
blood3 has been better than every alternative available to me so far
by a decent distance
ember rover
Because it is.
red plaza
the question was is it worth it to work towards r3 blood now if you're only 2k in
ember rover
Blood major is 1.9k DPS
cobalt pelican
depends on how highly you value the first 3 weeks of the raid
because after that blood will likely be dropped for life force
civic palm
I'd rather use Flame | Lucid, than grind Blood.
ember rover
Flame + lucid is more than decent if you don't have the time to grind.
civic palm
I can make up the difference by playing better.
cobalt pelican
if you value parsing or progress for your guild for the first 3 weeks then blood is worth the time investment
drifting cloud
ofc its better its r3
civic palm
In other words, not having Blood3 IS NOT going to sabotage your raid.
cobalt pelican
i have more than 1 r3 essence
civic palm
If there WERE the case then all the idiots without Laser Trinket...
are doing more sabotage than you.
golden flare
lol what happened with bloodmallets essence sims? blood of the enemy was rank 1 and now a few hours later focusing iris is dominating the charts on HAC. did blood of the enemy get a nerf, focusing iris a buff or is the sims bugged?
golden flare
hmm aight
sour crypt
what is the best essence for m+ for assa?
golden flare
@sour crypt focusing iris
golden flare
@faint harness undulating tides? 🤔
faint harness
new azerite trait
golden flare
from where? haven't seen any sims on it
strange python
can someone tell me how is the rotation with master assassin talent?
not rotation sorry, opener*
just opener
civic palm
!guide
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/
faint harness
@golden flare
golden flare
it has to proc hella often to be that good since the dmg output is quite "meh"
faint harness
i mean its really strong when its tripple stacked right
trim forge
is there a bot for OH weapon FAQ
faint harness
its not gonna do 8k dmg when its 3x
golden flare
oh it's 8k on 1 stack? then bloodmallet is bugged. it says 4k
quick cipher
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
fathom viper
!wa
vernal fern
So in summary, it seems like Condensed Life force major + lucid minor is gonna be best for single and iris major + lucid minor for m+ ? So I grinded 50k honor not for much then xd
fathom viper
!weakaura
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
golden flare
lol @vernal fern i feel for ya. was just gonna start farming honor for blood of the enemy when i saw the updated sims^^
faint harness
no its 6500 at 445
golden flare
ah okay interesting
faint harness
but the trait would only be good for low risk bosses
vernal fern
tbh I had a good time playing some BGs but yeah, I was expecting it to be the go to for m+, and then I saw what Iris does 😄
golden flare
focusing iris is prob gonna get nerfed tho
faint harness
cus whenever you drop below 50% hp the trait is dead
vernal fern
yeah wouldnt be surprised if it gets nerfed
faint harness
why would they nerf iris
golden flare
yea true @faint harness
strange python
my tricks macro keeps saying invalid target now
faint harness
do you have neural silencer
golden flare
yeah but it doesn't give any space for any other essence in aoe/m+ situations. it's the only viable option
faint harness
in ur card
faint harness
if you have neural silencer tricks doesnt work, if your target has neural silencer it doesnt work
thats fine tho, it quite literally is the m+ essence
vernal fern
its so cancerous to play with a tank that has this blue card in m+
faint harness
it was designed to be the best for m+
golden flare
still kinda boring imo. I wish they were more even so you could do different playstyles without being heavily punished
faint harness
there are still different playstyles and doing the most aoe dmg isnt always the best way to play
agile tulip
hey, in an ideal scenario what are the best abilities I can fit inside master assassin window?
vernal fern
imagine we could use Iris on reaping Pog
faint harness
like blood of the enemy can be really good to burst something down quickly
golden flare
well true, but don't think any other trait could compensate for that dmg even if you go for a ST build on like tyranical week
but idk
@vernal fern yeah was thinking about that aswell lol
faint harness
BotE isnt that bad
golden flare
still an aoe trait. and iris is that much stronger
ember rover
Iris is insane on 5+ targets.
vernal fern
synergy with Blood and echoing blades is pretty good tho
faint harness
it has some FoK synergy with EB but its above all useful for bursting shit
golden flare
think CLF is gonna kick bloods ass on ST sadly
faint harness
so like ST bursting the void emissary or something
vernal fern
like bursting those motherfucking void emissaries 😄
faint harness
yea it will, but you wont have that for a while
vernal fern
yeah ^^
golden flare
i like blood. it's a cool essence. but it's to weak compared to it's competitors
ember rover
For M+, you mean, right?
unreal perch
blood of the enemy?
golden flare
correct
unreal perch
oh was gonna say lol
golden flare
yeah true
unreal perch
isn't blood really good in raid right now? lol
golden flare
R2 sucks balls
faint harness
blood is really good right now
golden flare
@unreal perch it's because no one has CLF in R3
faint harness
its probably the best major atm
golden flare
I'm looking more forward i guess :p
faint harness
its a bit memey to use BotE with cyclotronic blast
unreal perch
sadly I'm also not on heroic Palace so it'll be a while before I get R3
I'm hoping to at least get R1 tonight
golden flare
lol yeah @faint harness i can imagine. that combo must be sick
faint harness
it makes one trinket use deal like 300k dmg
unreal perch
not bad not bad
faint harness
really good for bursting priority adds down
golden flare
think you get like 2-3 parts in normal and 7-8 in hc if im not misstaken
unreal perch
sounds like something I'd do in PvP >_>
faint harness
it used to do like 20k per tick before they made it crit
last time i used it ticked for like 5-6k
non-crit ofc
unreal perch
ya I remember hitting people for 20% + of their health with it, didn't try after patch
faint harness
so it got heavily nerfed for pvp
golden flare
@unreal perch if you do 3rd boss on hc and on normal you get R1 of CLF. but R1 is sorta lame
pallid notch
is there a way to sim different punch cards?
golden flare
you'll get there 😃
unreal perch
honestly I'm just hoping to get the dagger off court tonight
golden flare
@pallid notch yeah on raidbots.com
unreal perch
then I have to go get conquest to get the dagger from that
since my daggers are baaaaaaad
golden flare
what's the base ilvl on that one again?
faint harness
we managed to get to last phase azshara heroic today but like, went in there without a plan. That boss will be a minor nightmare to pug if they dont make a WA that will carry you
pallid notch
im on raidbots and am not seeing an option for my different punch cards
unreal perch
wait alliance emissary is a 415 weapon??
faint harness
the new emissaries are 415
golden flare
@pallid notch are you in the gear compare section?
unreal perch
ya but do alliance get a weapon for emissary today?
golden flare
oh, dunno. horde got it 1 or 2 days ago i think 😒
ember rover
Yup, we got one too.
pallid notch
ah no was in top gear. ill check out the gear comp. section ty
unreal perch
either way, the 410 from conquest is honestly a massive upgrade for me
bigger if I get the court dagger
elder gulch
is there a list on abilties we can cheese with evasion and cloak?
unreal perch
I need crit versa atm
elder gulch
in EP
ember rover
@elder gulch off the top of my head, I remember being able to cloak Ashvane's cae.
Cage*
unreal perch
you can use it on the orbs in radiance
elder gulch
doing Queen's court atm
unreal perch
haste is my lowest required stat atm, this feels bad
faint harness
Crit is 4.57 for me right now, full 
vernal fern
About CLF, how many Aqueous reliquary do you get in 1 heroic clear ?
faint harness
not enough 
unreal perch
Wait what's detect for on court?
faint harness
free use to break the combo
ember rover
So you don't get silenced.
faint harness
honestly i just FoK'd instead tonight
main rose
Does haste have a soft cap for assassination?
faint harness
like you "waste" a gcd on shit, does no dmg and doesnt give cps
just to save some energy
ember rover
Not that I know of, but Lucid does devalue haste a bit.
main rose
makes sense
unreal perch
oh wait I need to get detection still
ember rover
Also, haste will almost always be less valuable than what sims show, as you will almost always miss a GCD or two cause of mechanics every so often.
unreal perch
anything else I should really remember for court btw?
faint harness
no
unreal perch
tbh I kinda forget the fights past hatchery
faint harness
sit on the melee boss
trim forge
hate to ask again ... unlike outlaw OH we want 2 x dagger regardless of ilvl right?
unreal perch
we NEED 2 daggers
faint harness
you cant play the game without 2
ember rover
He's obviously trolling 
faint harness
Like court is a joke for melee
unreal perch
good to hear
frail gate
What're people spending their Mechagon Scrap and shit on? Worth it more to roll yellow cards or try for 420 shit
unreal perch
idk I just got a 420 ring today and that's about it lol
main mirage
Is Blood of the enemy generally the best main essence for raiding too? or just m+?
vernal fern
best for raiding atm until we get Consended Life Force rank 3
main mirage
Jesus so im farming 50k honor just to get a temporary essence lol
unreal perch
just gonna sit here not having blood still
golden flare
lucid dreams is really good aswell
sturdy dust
what's the name of the best potion again? Not focused resolve anymore right?
unreal perch
I mean if we're being fair we're farming everything for it to be temporary 😃
vernal fern
btw for Iris rank 3, i know we get it in weekly chest, but what do i need to do ? over +15 key ?
main mirage
Ye true 😄
golden flare
heard something like if you complete 2 +15 in 2 weeks you'll get it. don't really know how it's counting
vernal fern
oh so you drop like crafting materials to craft the rank 3 ?
unreal perch
you have to get them one at a time in order right?
golden flare
not that big of a difference between R2 and R3
vernal fern
yeah it sh uge
unreal perch
like I have to do R1 this week, R2 next week right?
golden flare
@unreal perch nah
unreal perch
oh?
vernal fern
its feels so clunky to stand still as rogue atm
unreal perch
oh, then I get R2 on reset sweet
golden flare
it's not from weekly cache? it's from the end of the dungeon
ember rover
R2 is end of dungeon
unreal perch
woops
ember rover
R3 is weekly
unreal perch
ooooh I know why, we blew it and just missed timer -_-
unreal perch
that's what it was, rip
main mirage
That is for the iris ye?
unreal perch
ya
vernal fern
yes iris
golden flare
yas
harsh goblet
is there an ~ amount of stacks to get to for ashvanes coral trinket
vernal fern
anyone has any clue on how to use Iris on a pack ? use x3 SS garrote then use it ?
harsh goblet
or just use on CD every 20 seconds?
faint harness
nastypear, whenever the mobs are all gathered in a nice chunk i suppose
golden flare
yeah you gotta pick your moment so they're all stacked
faint harness
like you dont wanna waste it by using too early
vernal fern
okay
inner leaf
do you guys plan for elaborate planning?
vernal fern
thanks
golden flare
worth interrupting your rotation to do it if they're all stacked
unreal perch
I know I don't
unreal perch
elaborate non-planning
faint harness
there have been mentions about getting at least 2 envenoms in TB
the more the merrier
but elaborate planning, nah
unreal perch
3 envenoms or bust
ember rover
Why would you need 3?
unreal perch
the more the merrier
you don't NEED 3 just like he said, more is better if you can
without delaying TB of course
faint harness
never delay tb
ember rover
I think that right now it's a bit worth to delay TB
For like 4-5 seconds.
ONLY for Vendetta + BotE window
Not on any other occasion.
faint harness
I am quite sure Koji said its never a win to delay tb
ember rover
Vendetta + BotE is around 55% dmg amplifier.
I think that's true if you don't have BotE R3.
faint harness
you'll still get a TB in vendetta, just not during bote
or you will actually most likely get a TB during the crit chance, but not crit dmg ofc
unreal perch
so... melee job on court is basically just sit on melee boss, kill orbs, sit on melee boss?
ember rover
Think about it, delaying TB for 4-5 seconds means delaying it by 20% to have it deal 55% more dmg.
faint harness
if you use TB on cd you should never end up in that situation tho
you dont have to kill orbs either
aegro
unreal perch
oh, even better
faint harness
you can cleave off the orbs
unreal perch
also don't TB's not line up in a way there'd only be a 5s CD on vendetta?
faint harness
but if you kill them you might actually fuck ur raid up
faint harness
when you have sprint or shadowstep up i'd say
vernal fern
so is having 1 SS and subterfuge any decent for this fight?
ember rover
There's also a tank swap that happens.
Most logs show that MA is still better on the fight.
vernal fern
aight
ember rover
Cheats.
faint harness
i had a dece log on heroic court and i literally just sat on the warrior boss all fight
ember rover
But that's boooooring :))
unreal perch
honestly it's Za'qul I'm not looking forward to
faint harness
za'qul also just tunneling
ember rover
YOu gotta swap to Outlaw
faint harness
ember rover
For Zaq
faint harness
which adds
ember rover
Portal keepers
unreal perch
fast enough that one rogue is the make or break? lol
faint harness
thats ranged dps responsibility
faint harness
man like, some people over-engineer these fights
legit on heroic
sit on boss
entire fight
ember rover
But logs man
And fight is boooooring if you just sit.
I sat on uunat for 500 pulls
faint harness
ye but its better for the actual kill
cus you wanna skip that 2nd shield
both me and the other assa rogue in our raid were top on boss dmg despite none of us getting to go into 80% haste realm
ember rover
I didn't even know that you get haste by going down...
ember rover
Ye, I found out after.
faint harness
but thats shadow priest territory
ember rover
SPs gonna get plastered with the nerf.
Just you wait.
4 bosses on which they blast every other DPSer
Blizz can't have that.
tawny shell
not sure if precast this azshara trinket or use it after gertting bleeds up
cobalt pelican
precast almost definitely
vernal fern
people threw a lot of shit at Blizz for BFA, but this essence system is pretty PogU
faint canopy
Okay guys im really sure you already talked about this but i need your knowledge, what's the most optimal use of Ashvane's trinket?
faint harness
Like i havent got it myself and never used it, i would suggest looking into where the APL uses it
ivory light
For m+s, Should i rupture all targets in big pulls? I'm playing SS/EB build atm
faint canopy
I don't know how to do that Push :c
faint harness
which means you sim it, you go into the actual log, you scroll down to action priority list, you scroll down even more and you click "sample sequence table" and you can see one sample of how the bot played out the APL
vernal fern
i think rupture all targets on packs up to 5, if its more just get some ruptures for energy and spam FoK if u have EB
faint canopy
Can i check that in raidbots?
faint harness
Yea
tribal marlin
faint harness
like whenever i'm unsure of how something is supposed to be used, i trust the guys writing the APL and check that or i check good logs of ppl that also used it
ivory light
@vernal fern and envenom as finisher even the mobs will live long enough?
vernal fern
open 3x SS, then rupture vendetta main target, FoK -> rupture, until all have rupture, then FoK -> evenom main target
i mean 3x ss garrote
warm ibex
!wa
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
faint harness
I like Afenars WA's, but each to their own
deft patio
hmm
gonna check these out, thanks
@faint harness
any of these weak auras keep track on dots?
of the target
faint harness
Yea Afenars has an indicator for current target dots in the main WA group
deft patio
i see
faint harness
also tells you the pandemic threshholds etc
faint harness
like you can refresh your dots when theres x amount of seconds left and it just gets added to it
instead of overwriting it
deft patio
oh thats nice
faint harness
Man i was just sitting in the raid today, going through the Azerite pieces for assassination
holy shit they suck
vernal fern
Head from boss before ashara is good no?
deft patio
we gotta pray to rng that chest gives us mythic+ ones
faint harness
only zaqul azerite is good
faint harness
pretty much
vernal fern
gotta farm 1million residuum to get decent pieces 😄
faint harness
im using the head from ashvane now cus it was better at 30 ilvls
430*
but like barely an upgrade from 415 DD NP OP
somber hill
anyone got good WA's for the essence buffs?
faint harness
theres one called "essence all in one"
that just switches out each major
if you change
somber hill
ya i want buff trracker too tho not just cd tracker i use essence all in one
quartz fox
what enchants do u guys use
vernal fern
is rank 3 lucid minor good or not that significant?`
vernal fern
but the rank 3 improvement over rank 2 doesnt seem that Pog no?
i actually have no clue
i think ill get it in like 3 days
356 vers for 8 seconds
ember rover
It's pretty good.
It procs when you deal dmg, not when you cast abilities.
And since we have many dots, it procs a lot.
vernal fern
so thats quite a bit of free more dmg ^^
faint harness
The vers proc is nothing to scoff at
faint harness
Yea it has high uptime in general
vernal fern
so on court you didnt go for the afk on 1 target strat ? 😄
ember rover
I`m too much of a DPS whore to do that 😄
faint canopy
Okay so I can't figure out the thing with the Ashvane's trinket https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mTnf5ne9uztFF4X46rcrd5/simc
mental summit
are there any easily obtainable daggers for someone looking to try out assassination? traditionally outlaw rogue looking to branch out but have zero gear to start
ember rover
First boss literally drops BiS dagger.
Problem is, it also drops BiS Fist Weapon for Outlaw.
So you have to chose which one you want to go for.
cobalt pelican
for a lot of people right now the court dagger is better
but the difference is negligible
mental summit
bah it's never easy
ember rover
I would say farm Tol Dagor to be completely honest.
+10s TD since it's easy as fuck.
You can get your weps from there easily.
mental summit
thanks, I'll see if I can get into a group or two
ember rover
Well it's either that or Underrot.
But Underrot is more prone to failing.
Tol Dagor is easy as fuck.
vernal fern
how do you deal with Void emissary that stands next to cannon? nuke her then go in cannon?
cobalt pelican
pretty much
ruby idol
Td went from by far to the best dungeon to one of the worst
visual quartz
What are the crit benthic boots...I just got one that says increases crit dmg?
ember rover
Check pins.
cobalt pelican
if it say crit it crit boot
faint harness
That is the crit boots
cobalt pelican
dam
visual quartz
yeah no socket, so keep gambling 😄
vernal fern
are the crit boots always mastery/haste ?
ember rover
Yes, they have predetermined stats.
Will always be haste + mastery for the crit boots.
tall snow
Hey guys! What you using as a second essence for M+, assuming focusing iris on the first slot?
vernal fern
lucid
vernal fern
^^
cobalt pelican
probably something dumb like life force minor
vernal fern
especially in m+ you have 0 haste so lucid helps a lot on single target damage
faint harness
The rustbolt essence minor is kinda good for m+
cobalt pelican
seemsgood
tall snow
Ty guys, will try lucid first.
summer parcel
Guys what benthic items are worth going for?
ember rover
Check pins, mate.
"But what Benthic gear should I get?"
Boots: Crit damage
Waist: 2% damage to aberrations (Orgozoa and Za'qul)
Wrist: Frost damage
vernal fern
rank 3 rustbolt is 25 galvanic oscillators wtf
cobalt pelican
they're just chest/daily
vernal fern
oh yeah maybe
cobalt pelican
which means it's basically restricted to daily intake
which means like
3 weeks
of jerking off
if not more
vernal fern
i just turn my brain off in mechagon so i dont actually know where i get my shit from
yikes
😄
cobalt pelican
some are gated behind
do an m+ for 2 weeks
some are gated behind
login and do tedious things every day
vernal fern
hahahaha
cobalt pelican
what kind of bug?
i got plenty
or what i feel like was plenty
besides azshara normal
gave nuttin
ember rover
Just check your stat weights and do some math? 😄
Can't be hard to multiply 140 by 3.9
Or something
opaque tree
trueeeeeeee
crystal vessel
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
vernal fern
I just realise that ive probably wasted about 15 galvanic oscillators for a shit trinket and a decent ring that will get replaced in a week
😦
wasnt aware that the essence could be good for m+
hazy geyser
so which potion are we supposed to use? the agi one or potion of unbridled fury
hollow stream
Just got a 450 vision of demise and it only beats my 400 plumage by 129 DPS
cobalt pelican
vision is ass
it might be useful on some weird fights like ashvane or something on mythic
but even then probably not
ember rover
If they made it 2min CD and made it give 2x the haste it gives now, I can see it being super good.
But right now it's soooooo meh
stable pine
Anyone know what Iris is like on ST?
ember rover
Not that good.
opaque tree
out of Lucid, Flame and Iris
Lucid Major and Iris Minor sim best for me
not sure why? I guess that haste buff is decent, don't really seem all that good to me though
ember rover
You must be doing something wrong.
hollow stream
This trinket makes me sad.
ember rover
What other essences do you have? @opaque tree
ember rover
Rank 2 flame in major and lucid in minor should be, in theory, your best.