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Oh using an advance sim?
Not even, can do that in any.
Then he just needs the essence id
Look at your simc output, should have a line like azerite_essences="27:2"
Just add a second essence there so it's like azerite_essences="27:2/4:2"
And voilรก, you are now simming major and minor.
oh damn ok
https://wow.tools/dbc/?dbc=azeriteessence&build=8.2.0.30993#search=&page=1 and here you can find all the ids.
If you need them
ty m8
what are people loading their computation device with?
awesome thanks
didnt the nerf really devalue that ?
I mean they nerfed it but then they let it crit and scale with haste
Buffing it, really.
Does potion of focused resolve still break stealth? I'm on holiday and can't test myself atm
no
Sweet, thank you
im using unbridled fury ๐
st focused relove 2 target sup agi and 3+ emp prox
unbridled bis for me ๐
ok ty
yeah fury is better than resolve
you can sim each pot on raidbots and find for yourself
Force mulitplier never seems to sim higher than deadly/quick for me, is that just my shitty gear?
thats right
great thanks ๐
also, Focusing iris main, use it when pooling like the mecha trinket? Or during Vendetta?
it doesn't get increased by vendetta
Sas can i send yo ua text file with my simc stats
and could you tell me what you would use
why can't you put it into raidbots yourself
RockMaN some classes dont have our awesome professionals so they get things wrong. We r in safe hands
Snappets, go to raidbots.com and paste the string in. Set to 5 minutes and 1 target. Then select gear you think potentially good be better. Click simulate.
How many EBโs will people be running on average now? Iโm feeling like 2 is too much right now, although I havenโt tried FH yet
Guys Kimble trinket is pretty low on the list on bloodmallet and herodmg, but when i sim myself it says its better than other trinkets i have, shall i trust my sims or the trinket rankings?
It's not low.
Trust the sim
aka the charts.
When rupture restores energy cuz the target died you get energy regen based on % of time or seconds remain?
Yes.
Any pointers for H Queen Azshara?
dont die
oof
Yo anyone using Razer Coral? im getting mixed information on using this trinket.
Some people are saying use it every 20 sec and others are saying Consume the crit stacks in your vendetta window.
anyone actually have definitive answer?
!essence
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
!Essence
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
[Undulating Tides] or [Scent of Blood]
How is it that people are simming for 35k? mine barely reaches 31k
would probably be 32k with second minor
are benthic pieces really that huge?
Link your sim
sockets+essences+benthic+cyclo
im almost at 38k
Try getting blightborn and twist the knife
No Benthic and no punchard
And punchcard
Those are massive dps boosts for sims.
ok am i crazy or what....sometimes if pull at the exact time the tank does, SS garrote only gives 2 combo points instead of 3. wtf
Crit potions breaks stealth
not using crit potion
even like mid fight sometimes if i vanish and garrote it jsut gives 2 points
Buy better internet ๐
are puncharcs rng or can I buy them?
What Benthic pieces are we aiming for fam?
Rustbolt reputation
It's in the pins
Boots, bracers belt with socket
no one else suffering from 2 combo point SS garrotes?
They're different effects, so yes :p
like what the hell is going on man ๐ฆ
I sim 35k without benthic. Because it wont socket ๐
Feelsbadman
just wear it, the effect alone is op
got socketed bracers, belt and boots ๐
Link your sim Mose
bracers with frost dmg. belt with aberration dmg and boots with crit
simmed 29k yesterday
SS build
That seems incredibly low gear
can run another, by all means
i see EB
!Essence
yup ๐
LF some tips guys. i feel like my openers are good but the sustainment is where im failing. Starting to think i don't know wtf im doing

yeah, been doing wq's so had the wrong helmet on. gonna do another one
Spend energy when you have damage amps. Pool energy when you dont.
@peak badger when you run 3x NP your opener gonna be big but then once vend is over that trait not doin anything
you got other options?
1xBB 1xTTK 1xNP 3xDD
Master assassin talent
Rustbolt rep trinket
lurker trinket
Imo is a pretty solid build all round
venture co chest and pistoleers spaulders
how you guess my shit infex lol
damn stunkei ๐ฎ
Thats what Ive found to be best so far
yeh me 2
is MA really that good?
majority of players dont use SS properly to max damage
MA is alot more streamline
I'd suggest anyone not pulling near their SS sims to try the MA build
Hello, what azerite traits should I use for M+ now as Sin Rogue.
I have a lot more fun playing MA and it sims higher than the SS build for me pretty consistently.
MA is best ST anyways afaik
There are some fights in EP that seem better for SS than MA, but I haven't really tried it much.
And honestly, I havent seen a need for us to AoE, mild cleave at best in Eternal Palace
what is the optimal count of envenoms during TB window, 3?
@peak badger https://wowanalyzer.com/report/3j9tdzF7MNbGvm6g/17-Heroic+Za'qul+-+Kill+(6:51)/Badbunny
3 is optimal but more about keeping up envenom buff. and the biggest thing is getting as many TB casts off as possible
its not gospel but some pointers, keep in mind timing of DPS windows and mechanics are not taken into consideration its just doing calculations on how many times you could have used abilities considering their CD etc
2 is minimum, if you don't get two you fucked up
I had the impression that 2 was supposed to be maximum, not minimum.
getting big boys :) https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uKyppC2MsA8MLoJFPnBH4w
so i shouldn't be worried about casting as many as possible and more on just making sure i maintain the envenom uptime?
You want to cast 2 Envenoms to have the envenom buff for 10s, but what you REALLY want is to cast as many mutis as possible.
you should always pull energy before IF you can
Inside tb as long as it's two or more it's fine. 3 is ideal, 4 is perfect rng
Is two on use trinkets okay to use? My sims are recommending me to go for cyclotronic blast and lustrous plum.. how should I cycle them?
dont delay TB just to get more envenoms in
i try to go in the tb with a 100 or more energy
your TB have 55% uptime, just press it on cooldown in the short term
you are losing too much dps just not pressing it
then learn to pool before its coming off cd
not pool now its off cd and ready to press
Looks like people are stacking crit over haste?
I`m confused, how can TB have 55% uptime when it's 9sec duration on a 25sec CD
the lots say hes pressed it 9 times, and he could have pressed it 17
logs*
so hes holding it wayyyyy too long
because im holding it
55 percent of POSSSIBLE uptime
Oh, I see.
dont hold it, just use it on CD and then learn to pool before the CD
Im thinking that i want my rup and garrote on full duration during my tb window so i can envenom as many times as possible
you will get better at the timing naturally
Badbunny,, they dont have toe be max duration,. just long enough. you can refresh early. get a weakaura tot help you trakck this
ive been using luxthos weakauras but i need an envenom wa
ur overthinking the envenom thing. just use it basically on cooldown, and try to pool energy before without letting bleeds drop or wasting GCDs
@frigid briar just got socket bracer lol haste and vers though :/
I find myself often delaying TB for 4-5 sec to fit it into Vendetta + BotE + Vanish window.
Thinking whether it';s an actual gain or not.
My train of thought is, I`m delaying it by 20-25% of it's CD to have it be around 70% more efficient.
Dont delay by 5 seconds more than a few time a fight
Anyone that can help me with my double trinket issue?
is it worth it to craft punchcards on the mechagon tinkering thig?
Bjuv, isnt punchcard off the 30 sec shared CD thing?
from what I heard they added it to the shared cd
Yes, it shares CD now.
so, i can't use lurkers + punchcard now?
my thought was mainly which one to use with vendetta plumage or cyclotronic
No, you can't do that anymore.
Cyclotronic doesn't get damage increase from Vendetta.
Plumage, use Cyclo separately when you're pooling and have a few seconds spare
Dam bracers boy๐
To sim for m+ best - 5 targets 40 seconds? what do you guys prefer
If you run lucid I think you only need to pool on your 4th Tb after the opener, no need to pool when heroism is up. It really reduces the amount of pooling you need to do. I suggest getting a WA to tell you when its off CD.
You still run punchcard as far as im aware
Punchcard lurker is still BiS, you use punchcard like 1 minute into the fight though which is weird AF
so dropping red card haste proc for cyroblast?
Were people using the haste card proc? Did I miss something?
get what you get to start i suppose
I'm using cycloblast whenever i have to pool energy ๐คท
is it possible to buy the red haste punchard?
Yeah its like 1 min into fight and then every 2 mins on CD for cyclo trinket
is there a 40k gamer rogue sim yet
haste is getting so low. i think it might sim better too
Seen close
39k is highest I seen
We got like 3x 450 trinkets drop last night, none for rogue though
danh
lucker
ill forever have a heroic
i bonus rolled mythic the 3 times we killed it but never lucky
Which is on use, so only swap it for azshara mythic trinket
No idea what to get to pair it as a proc trinket
Loaded dice seems low on sims but considering all my stats are as balanced as I ever seen
ye my stats are reaching some balance as well
except mastery low
im crit>haste=vers>>mastery
My mastery plummeted yesterdsy when I swapped ring
i do have super low vers 1% 94 stat
Yeah im crit haste vers mastery aswell
What proffs you use on rogue?
Can I craft 425 boots and 425 legs?
Im unsure if the elvui bugged out but recipe for boots disapeared when I bought the legs
i havent done any crafting yet B(
We did normal first then few HC bosses then took a break to go craft stuff before going back to raid
Assassination dude top damage on hc azshara kill๐ thats what I like to see
Must be Ui bug then. Thanks eidolon. That means 6 sockets now

so like we gem crit right?
Gem your best stat
just sim without gems and make a stat plot
If you're using Lucid minor, you most likely won't get Haste, that's for sure.
Haste is best for me or equal to anyways
which essences should i use (major and minor)
Bots down
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
!essences
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
and yes, the bot host seems to roll out an update, so i hope this wont impact the bot to much...
Yeah but I have tonnes of mastery and crit
is master assassin better than subter?
For me yeah, from logs ive seen mostly yeah
Sim it. But in general, MA is only good when you don't have any Shrouded Suffocation traits
is it better to use env with 4 combo points instead of mutilate to cap cp
cuz overcap chance
You finish on 4+
You'll always overcap if you Mutilate at 4
thanksss
@nimble tartan dps_plot_stat=haste,crit_rating,mastery should do the job, or just do a normal stat wight sim
you get a graph like that if you use a plot instea of the stat scaling
probably worth to add dps_plot_positive=1 so you dont have negative plot
so:
dps_plot_stat=haste,crit_rating,mastery```
are you guys always simming with worldvein?
Trying to find a good time to fit in using the Cyclotronic Blast channel of the Pocket-Sized Trinket with the opening rotation. Using Lucid Dreams.
After your 3rd toxic blade
Unless I wait for vendetta and lucid dreams to finish their duration I am just energy capping when using the channel
When no energy, use it as a pooling technique
ok
is there a CD on that channel?
i fit in the trinket right before 3rd toxic
2 mins
Why the hell is Infexious not in the Shadows rank yet?
I was literally just watching one of your videos and here you are
Just lending a hand since this weeks usually chaos with questions ect
I appreciate it
One thing I do see is assass rogues needing an outlaw set for 2nd last boss. Them pirate boys looking stronk
what are the usual stat prios for outlull?
wrong channel โฟ
Stack verse^^
Yeah probs better asking that in outlaw or checkin the pins over there
im asking cause he said we should get an outlaw set, i also saw the wcl for zaqul, outlaw is really high up
He's stating we need an Outlaw set for that boss. Correct channel
Highest outlaw rogue doing 20k more than highest assass rogue
is it meaningful dps though?
and then you have shadows ^^
rather burn boss dmg with that buff
And 30% damage amps
On mythic the adds will need to die
So depends what guild your in
Top end probs will roll outlaw on the fight if the guild needs it.
I'm not sure if I wanna continue with Assassination or give Subtlety a shot again.
I tried 2eb 2ttk 2ss on zaqul I was doing like 52k without much hassle
sub is meme!
ty fuu
!azerite
Zaqul is the 7. boss yeah ?
ye
Keep up Rupture at 4+ on all targets (when living long enough)
how much time is long enough? And rupture in addcleave still with 4+ CP?
Personally i use it when it can tick for atleast half of the duration
Since you still get energy back its not that wasted
Maybe there is probably a better mathematical use
52k compare to outlaws effortless 76k though? Once people start optimizing that fight the gap could increase alot. Looks to be a fight where alot of cheese strats could happen
any idea of unbridled fury stealt cancle got fixed in the latest hotfix, its not mention but a rogue can dream
Looking forward to seeing it on mythic prog
man with lucid major, heroism and vendetta it's so fucking hard to find a time to pop the beam trinket
if we lust on pull i delay 40 seconds lmao
so i dno if i should even use it
it sims 400 higher than anything else though
i don't know either 
Now that focused resolve has been nerfed, what potion should we use in st?
afaik using it at around 1 min into the fight with 3 uses is fine
fair enough
i'll just keep using it
try and get better and finding windows to use it
At zaqul outlaw cleaves hard onto the small adds. Big adds must die too, but we could also see sub rogues sneaking in on mythic if everything gets a step up
played outlaw too long in dungeons, cant sin any more
*note: this are normal logs
Did anyone elses mouseover tricks fuck up after reset?
Keeps giving invalid target lol
Hey, kinda new to the spec, is poison bomb always superior in multi or crimson tempest becomes relevant for some dungeons?
for normals they are bad. missing buff uptime and so on
crimson tempest is more or less worthless atm
mine aren't better LULW
EB is so strong that you wanna spend every other GCD where you dont have to put a bleed on a target with fok
currently yes
we basically play budget sub with TB + TTK traits and EB
i like it ๐
or dont play ttk ๐ค
we just had other ppl kill the small adds, boss dmg sucks dick with eb
get them juicy crits
so, with the EB/TTK and maybe deeper stratagem, we play like sub? fok, envenom, fok, envenom ... ?
with this affix, yeah basically
there is a target count where we cast 10 fok back to back
but havent played that many keys yet so idk if we ever reach this count due to emissaries
You don't even bother maintaining rupture and garrote? 
rupture YES
garrote no
without rupture you wont have enough energy
unless you play lucid major
So SF stacking is bad now?
fok'ing with EB at already 2 targets?
is there any "guide or spreadsheet" for things like, what mechanics can we cloak/feint, or in m+ solo interrupt with stuns and so on?
guide or spreadsheet
not really
but our boi seliathan (incarnated on twitch) does a good job explaining everything
but on the side note: you should know what you are able to interrupt solo or cloak
feint got incredibly nerfed passivly by blizzard
i think for cloak its not as straight forward
in terms of abilites not being coded as aoe even if they are
There's a comment in the assassination APL about using garrote occasionally to get the 5th CP, but I couldn't find the conditions for that in the code, and when I look at the sample sequence, it never seems to recast it early.
Guys, running 3x EB, 1x TTK and 1x SS, should I drop exsanguinate for TB in m+?
also running with subterfuge instead of MA
@queen tiger exsang is a dps loss with current m+ build
@exotic geyser recasting it early is straight up dps loss unless you will be away for 18 seconds on the boss
Andryle the condition will be when its below pandemic refresh, I also refresh below 12 if im just about to drop vendetta
Havnt looked just guessing
Also for the logs on fish boss, seems you gotta kill boss before you need 2nd puffer fish 2nd platform. Its doable. We missed it by like 2% because people died. Difference between an 80% log and 95% log
What's the most efficient honor farm way if u're a disabled pvp noob but want blood of the enemy rank3?
Get first puffer fish and nuke boss, CD the blast when you cant be healed and kill before he goes 3rd platform
Bg's and alot of hours of BGs
Just get the swimspeed bluecard and be the first one over for maximum uptimes 
So ignore expeditions?
@zinc furnace queue for bgs and try your best to win
The pvp event is back up in august, if you want to wait. 50% more honor then
With the 50% event and 50% merc buff we played 12 hours and lost only 4 bgs. That gave us 30k honor
Went to eat @winter moss sorry for not answering, I meant, SS stacking is bad in m+? U said I shouldn't bother maintaining garrote in multi
Should be able to maths the hours out fron that. Remember that was only 4 loses though
well khall i hope you had a good one
Which traits are top for m+ now? Still have 2ss 2eb 2ttk + running exs (not tb)
Ok. And whst is merc buff? (Sorry no idea on pvp related stuff at all)
in terms of traits in m+ there is not really a answer to this, because it depends on what role you got to play and on affixes and comp
SS stacking isnt bad, but shrouded suffocation if mostly for the boss dmg
Merc buff is gained if you play on the least populated faction or pick up the buff from your pvp vendor to que as opposite faction
@compact ocean Thanks, so EB+TTK + TB in m+, right? What about subterfuge vs MA? Any insights?
you garrote the first 3 enemies in a pack to sustain energy levels until you have your ruptures out
@lusty narwhal im not sure if you got answered but i bet you are using the neural silencer blue punchcard
Lol 100% stunkei
@frigid briar got it. Thanks a lot for info
No worries
@queen tiger you always want to have atleast one SS trait so subterfuge is the go to talent in m+
Allrounder M+ Trait setup: 2TTK/2EB/2SS
has any used Dribbling Inkpot (430) trinket? Hero Damage has it simmed way above highborne compendium of sundering but for when I sim in the nightly build it is a dps loss
I havnt looked into M+ yet, from what I played I generally just 3 garrotes rupture, drops vendetta and toxic blade, blood essence and spam FOK and nothing else.
Nets be around 100k on 4-5 mobs. So many optimizations I could be doing but until push time, no no.
then again, depends on the role you have to fulfill, comp and dungeon
I run with a fury warrior and an elem, so single target isn't a problem I think ๐ค
I would also like to know this
so confused
is there a set amount of stacks that its worth the reuse at?
Step 1 is to check whether anyone else also has the trinket. In that case bank it.
khall i recommend atleast 1 ss 2-3 ttk and 2-3 EB
switch around due to dungeon
(tos favors 3 ttk, same as KR, other dungeons favor 3eb)
on fortified key
Thx, really helpful 
so aesri no more steps? :p
if you want to have a live action of assa m+ head over to incarnated on twitch
What is ttk?
Oh, I don't know how to use the trinket sadly, I just know it's bugged.
I hoped someone would fill in with Step 2.
20 stacks or during vendetta burst
dont have it, not tested
it takes long time to stacks that too much i think

tbh i dont understand why coral sims so high
d00 it
JUST DO IT BRO
the gamba never stops 
DOO ITTTT
its going to the CRUNCHER
guys when i sim myself with stats weights it tells me that mastery/crit is my best stat however when i try to sim with best gear to see what gems to use it tells me to keep gemming full haste
i don't even know what stats i need at this point...
i have blood major lucid minor
what does +10 drop
Probably means your stats are pretty close, best gear is best simulation. Equip that gear
Then run a sim to see what stats look like for your upgrades in future
will do ty
+10 415 end of dungeon, 440 weekly chest
oh ok nice!
hi buddyboyz, which prepot is king now?
What other benthic gear is worth chasing other than crit boots?
Pins Vicewind
Thanks
How does sustain feel in delirium realm on zaqul HC? Leeching poision might be decent there?
I got Azsharaโs Font of Power last night. That + coral is so strong but so awkward to use ๐ญ
anyone have infos about a crit potion nerf ? lock discord talk about it, but 0 infos found
what nerf
Using Potion of Focused Resolve should no longer break stealth.
posted on july 9th
This is even more relevant today with the nerf to the potion of Focused Resolve.
post here in TCupdates
that why i ask
๐
how was Focused Resolved nerfed?
the information is hard to comeby
but i think i got it
from my understand i believe it stacks 1% per stack now
taking much longer to stack iirc
@inner tree I had soemthing similar and what I found was my % were different enough that a little in one place made a big change (i.e.: 29% crit and 11% vers).
I was wondering why I lost 600 dps overnight. The focused resolve nerf explains it
Looks like unbridled fury is the way to go
unbridled fury over agi ?
sim it
is the frost dmg wrist worth to go?
If you get socket upgrade them for sure
yep unbridled also gives me a 500 dps increase over superior agi pot and 700 over focused resolve
unbirdled? whats the full name
potion of unbridled fury
oh, ty..:P
There a list of BIS Benthic gear for Assa(if it rolls a socket)?
- Crit Damage boots
- Frost dmg wrists (actually bis or just good?)
- others?
-Pins?
the T24 profile is using the crit boots and the frost dmg wrists over mythic peices... so they will be good choices... all others would be replaced by mythic gear. although you may want aberation belt for the aberation bosses
Shit itโs in pins. Thatโs good info though, @night vale thanks.
no worries
seeing as it seems to keep chainging, what's currently the best azerite essence for my major slot?
anyone having trouble using kidney shot on overzealous hulk (queen azshara) we're trying different CC's, so far it seems HOJ gets good value but kidney shot is breaking after 1 second. i'm about 90% sure it isn't another player casting a stun causing an immunity...
Yes @dusty roost , itโs bugged
We had to use HOJ a well, since kidney was breaking
yeah, Potion of Unbridled Fury simmed highest for me,. weird โฟ
thanks @sinful fern i've been searching in between pulls but haven't found a formal post on the issue
Yeah its literally just been spoken about in #wow-general with some logs
Better to just report it as a bug and wait
i fucked up my huge as potion sim
thanks ๐
sadface
what traits do we need ?
what minor you guys using for m+? worldvein?
Herodamage.com @ both
blusters, Nothing personal and dubble dose, check herodmg or bloodmallet
Anyone got a good Coral WA, and knows the proper way to handle it?
i was making one but then i simmed myself and it showed it wasnt that good, you might wanna sim yourself first
ty
the vers buff from lucid r3 minor ist pretty big 
I'm getting r3 today so I'm happy to hear that
i tested it for 2mins and got an uptime for 1.29
50% + uptime for 360vers is pretty insane for minor
looks like unbridled was fixed
what do you mean ?
it used to take you out of stealth
Is SS and echoing blades still the best m+ traits?
yes
COol, thats kinda what i assumed thanks ๐
Click show more options and choose which pot
Ashvane's trinket looks whack
looks good on herodmg, looks bad in sims
!essences
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
i wonder how hero insists on using it tho, wether its use on cd or wait till X stacks
herodamage is just based on the sim..
Ist the Phial of the Arcane Tempest simming wrong ? The dps it makes is way higher then Kimbul Trinket in the meters but its simming like dogshit
guess sim is struggling to sim the new trinkets?
The sim for Coral uses it on CD
sims told me to use 415 kimbul over 420 coral
Does using Ashvane put Lurker's on 20s cd every time?
i am not talking about coral
Iโm curious though if it can be optimized by saving stacks for vendetta
Phial of the Arcane Tempest was 3,9% of my dmg on a 5 min dummy test
stacks to 100
oh god
11000 crit ๐คฃ
good luck getting 100 stacks before the fight ends
Your sims do it thousands of times, you did it once for 5 minutes
i mean, its what? 10k dmg a proc
also oyu dont want more than 100% crit ๐
Ashvane does put other trinkets on 20s cd
I have Ashvane and Azsharaโs Font
So I have to delay 1 coral use when I Font
i would use lurkers on opener, and wait with using Ashvane's
not sure if that was good
And I canโt use Coral until 20s in
why?
shared cd with other on use
Because you open with Azsharaโs Font
do you Font at -5 and pot at -1?
that could work
Font + Coral = use both on CD but Font>Coral prio
Thatโs how the APL handles it
it has 20 sec cd on apply and 20 sec on consume stacks, so you cant use other trink with vanish
you can use Coral every other tb
if you dont have a 2nd on use just use coral on cd? preferably initially with TB?
Bascially you apply coral once at the start. Then you activate it with your vendetta and make sure to re-apply the debuff after the vendetta
If you have 2 on-use trinket (like cyclotronic) make sure to re-apply coral before using Cyclotronic
best essences for this tier?
!essences
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
thistle there isnt anything about which essence to pick in the pins
Hi guys I switched to rogue because I'm sick of my DH b11 and I want to play my zandalari but I perform very bad with him. I played outlaw in m+ and open world but I can't handle sin very well oO
keyzer, i would avoid it, but sim yourself to be sure
@worn crag none of that was a question
does anyone have a WA for coral stacks?
@rigid mango nope it wasn't but now I wanna ask you I have 2 x NP / 3 x DD and 1 x shrouded. The rotation feels very slow in comparison to my DH is that normal? Pls don't joke about me I just want help :/
Yes, sin is a slow spec
If you want something more comparable to DH, outlaw is closer
Sin flows very well with Lucid. Very hard to play Outlaw after it
for raid sin looks (outside of maybe the aoe fights) rly good
it's ok tier
Shrouded still pretty good if you are night elf
what you should be because NE power
Inkpod doing any favors for anyone?
well it comes down to what is needed in your m+ combination:
- good st, strong downtime damage, good aoe -> assassination
- decent st, insane aoe, strong prio damage -> outlaw
- decent st, okay aoe, insane prio damage -> subtlety
Sin is better than ok tier for M+ I'd say but that's just how my numbers have been panning
Finally managed to come back to the game. So what's the essense build now for raiding and keys?
The meta
Multiple essence for raid is the meta

Oh great
thanks
Just noticed ๐
So guess the majority are going for lucid rank 3?
as major
just spent 400 manapearls to get the socketed crit boots. spoiler, i didn't get them.
Ouch
i spent 385 yesterday
damn
but i did get them ๐
Hey guys, stupid question, can i use anything other than daggers? maybe axes or fist weapons,
nvm found the answer xD
With trait my garrote only get 1 point on Orgo. Is there something wrong?
If you wanna gen cps with just fok, sure
I see Seliathan using Lucid rank 3 for m+
you still go for 3-2 NP, 3-2 DD and 1 SS?
Nice thought Lucid would not be that good for keys
Yeah it's NP and DD, you can go without any SS if you go MA though
Could be a bug, could be that youre not pulling from stealth, could be that youre not actually using ss, could be that the trait bug is back (take your az off and put it back on). There a no known issues atm around ss @keen meteor
Could be your prepot breakig stealth if that wasnt fixed
some bosses break stealth on pull
so is anybody using blood of the enemy as a major and lucid dreams as a minor
hmmm ok
Yes @cosmic vine
People using all sorts of essence combos atm because its still "what sims best for you". Until all essences are r3. The answer to what essences should i use is, sim yo self
well if our stat prio is the same it will still be good
How are you guys farming so many pearls?
rares, boxes, dailies, if your desperate, hydras
Essences, gear, stats, az; all impact your chars personal stat weights. Its going to be in constant flux while gearing up/swapping essences
Do you use the Cyclotronic Blast punch card just after the vendetta window, regardless of overcapping energy?
anyone know what is the bis from benthic?
@valid spoke u just want to get the maximum amount of uses per fight i reckon
You might end up using it in less optimal circumstances if that gets u an extra cast in
ty
So Iโve been saving Cyclonic for after lucid, when Iโm low on energy. Should I use it right when itโs up, (20 seconds after lurkers)?
If you look in #wow-general pins fuu posted usage
Ty!
!wa
Assassination WA's for BFA:
https://wago.io/HJUbINlV7 (Mizerok's Group)
https://wago.io/E1EB91OtM (Lokkek's Group)
https://wago.io/SyLUNGD4X (Sovv's Group)
https://wago.io/SJLQKGjMM (Afenar's Group)
https://wago.io/ByzCxPq-m (Devlin's Group)
hey guys, i've been trying to figure out what gear i should spend my mana pearls on, if theres a list somewhere i can look out that would be awesome

feets and bracers
what essence seems like the best to farm for ? since u can farm for blood of the enemy etc, is it worth farming for or go lucid major and minor u think ? @hollow stone
how much difference in dmg would 390/410 daggers to 420+/420+ create. I feel i'm doing the rotation correctly but and my Ilvl is 415, but I am not outputting what I feel I should be able to, people are simming insane dps 26k - 30k dps with same ilvl.
...just curious
go to raid bots and then gear compare
Guys how come when i sim everytime I sim I have different stat weights even though I'm not changing anything in gear, gems and enchants?
@signal summit depends how hard you wanna go. Bote is one of the best essences you can get right now due to time gating on a bunch of the others. Idk if it will stay as a bis essence or not
Magic. If you truly aren't changing anything your stat weights should change by maybe a couple hundredths at most. The best way to sim is Top Gear of course.
i see a lot of outlaws in M+ leaderboards. can sin compete ?
Yes
with EB/SS ?
I don't know Kaast. One time i got crit prio, then mastery
or DD
you don't use DD in m+
@woven summit like by how many points is it swinging. Can you post a link to 2 of your reports?
someone has experience with vision of perfection?
which pots do we use now?
it feels more valuable for a rogue to buy 5x 430 random azerite item isntead of 1x 445
esp if u raid and m+ or am i msitkaen here?
Personally I'm probably going to play with what I get out of the raid while I save Residuum to buy specific pieces I need.
Like once I'm down to my last slot, I might gamble until I get it but we will see.
It all really depends. We're still so early in the tier things could change. Traits might get buffed/nerfed.
i dont ahve the patience for that. last tier the rogue wasnt my main jsut alt
so i got a bunch auf "heroic" azerite from gambling and it felt really good
is it your main now? What content are you doing?
~world 600
Yeah I had some great luck last tier too.
and some m+20 keys intime last season
If the rogue is your main now, go with your preference. If you are that high up are you running splits? Can people funnel you residuum?
I'd say its preference.
i woudlb etitlet if i roll mythic item fรผr 47500 and get like gargabe
Btw guys I finally looted my m+ essence. Turns out you gotta time it for it to drop
saving is really bad idea when u calculate the chances of getting good pieces and amount needed for specific @warm cave
correct its a gamble. If you get the wrong piece its a huge waste, even if its 445
its not huge waste
hope for behemoth chest in bonsuroll for m+ lul
nah tbh i wont go fpr saving specific item early
but i praobly go like 4-6 heroic items
befor ei go for random mythic
Im also buying hella 430s before i start fishing 445s this season
I was so broke from experimenting with different builds last season. Shits a nightmare
I dont see how if you gamble, get the worst possible piece that its not a waste at 445
its maybe not that good for raid bu i enjoy a bunch of acitivities
Thats also a factor Jonas
- i like "perfect" traits
Same, thats almost why I prefer to save. But it really depends
because in the time that you could buy 1 specific you could buy 4 randoms
bad traits taht sjut sim higher casue it 445 fells bad aswell ๐
it's a huge waste to only save for specific, especially early on
What if you get 4 bad randoms, thats my only point guys
the chances of that happening are very small
and at that point you still have a full set of 445 +1 extra
Thats my only point guys, the risk vs reward is very high
if you go by saving for specific it takes what almost whole tier for getting 3 pieces and at that point your "perfect" azerites are completely worthless
its not very high its very low
like, if you have 4 pieces, you're going to have at least 1-2 for ST and for AoE
you save so much time buying random
yea especially since we are in assassination channel which has like 4 different azerite setups you can run @vapid scarab
the chances you're random piece is bad for both setups is incredibly small
the chance remains is all I'm saying guys lol
Also if you play sub and outlaw too you can only win with random
there is 0 reason not to take that chance
the specific price is just way too high
Are there any guides for openers depending on which essences youโre using?
Going for heroic pieces isn't a bad idea, especially if you are getting into the range of being 57-60 where you get the +5. 10 item level differences for more chances at perfect traits is way more consistent, however if you plan on doing heroic feed runs(most aren't) earlier on into progression, it's probably worth to keep doing mythic pieces. Buying specific pieces is almost never worth it
!essence
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Are you changing the opener with the revered red punchcard? Or do you delay it until after lucid?
you will get decent heroic pieces from raid anyway if you keep clearing it so
it's way better to gamble 445 imo
it's pinned in #wow-general how to use revered red punchcard
oh ty
I wondered that as well with the 20 second cooldown do you still Garrote, Mut, Rupt Cyclone, etc or use the Lurkers instead for the openner and use the Cyclone after the 20 seconds
Drew go look in the TC channels, someone updated it there for the next build of simcraft or raidbots or something
use lurkers in the opener and you can squeeze cyclone in before 3rd TB
yep just updated this morning it looks like
Thank you Flawless
Hi guys i find my dps is low in mm+ , sin rogue is okay for this?
we still use focused resolve right ?
Unbridled is slightly ahead for me
There's a lot that goes into that question, generally sin rogue damage is good in M+, but really depends on the traits you're playing, how your group is pulling, what level keys they are.
Can I just do quick sim with different potions to compare them
yes
!Essence
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
Fawless i ve two suffocation traits , i need 3?
A mix of ss/ttk/eb is generally what most sin players do in M+
can raidbot's droptimizer sim benthic gear with gemslots?
a gem s lot is worth the exact same on every piece of gear
What am I simming for a generic add fight in palace? Looking to create an SS profile if needed. 3 bosses?
like it'd be useful if you were planning against current gar but
that shouldn't be your goal with benthic
well there is the fact my current gear has gemslots
yo ppl, garrote rupture garrote or garrote garrote rupture on opener?
I do garrote garrote rupture.
Any suggestions guys how to use Ashvane Trinket efficient?
Agi pot or fury pot ?
I was saying last night, with current build I felt haste capped... stat weights have haste lowest stat I think cause of lucid dream https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3Rkie2fQfzxxDpa1yiHTLB
have you simmed MA and DD setup on your gear? surely it would peform better
about to
Haste is significant'y reduced because of the lucid minor, energy regeneration is less important because pooling is less of a factor with the change to instantly regen energy. From my set up it appeared that 45% mastery was my goal and to push crit I think rtoughly to 30%
fury was about a ~300 dps increase for me, agility was still a loss on pure single target
Same
@cosmic pier agree cyclontronic was a massive boost. Was about 500-1k boost
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/W1SMyBp69n2Qjcv4RsDAX
To be fair I was still rocking a 400 loaded at the time too lol
@lost sentinel took a rough stab at your gear, this is already way better https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6sPBKng1FVrTWf93khxJy8
you need to fine tune gems/enchants but already its a big leap
yeah, I just ran a MA/DD sim and got similar results except forgot about changing gems off haste
also the new weapon enchant, interesting
its all rough, you just have to run sims with different gems/enchants to find the right balance for your gear
also grab cyclotronic, big increase
when using the navigation wepaon enchantments, does it matter which enchant is on which weapon, or does it work out the same?
no
thank you
either is fine
just consider what you you put on each weapon if you use your best dagger for outlaw
for example, i put force multiplier on my biggest dagger so i can use it for outlaw without swapping each time
yeah same, big brain strats
is navigation not better than multiplier for sin?
god damn 190k just to craft the first jc ring
Force multiplier weapon enchant is good for assa?
31k dps oh no no PepeLaugh
turns out agi+secondary proc is pretty good when sin stat weights are pretty close
mmm that makes sense
I must have missed that cyclotronic card, I'll get that asap
yeah, check the pin in #wow-general to make sure you use it properly
usually 35-45 secs in depending on lust andf other factors
What is the bis benthic gear for sin rogues? just found out they outsimmed 445 gear
@cosmic pier my sim uses it 17 seconds in
hmm weird
it's just lucid vs no lucid
yea i got 20k honor in and couldnt do it anymore
Got rank 2 fast.. and rank 3 can go fuck itself
BGs are almost as braindead as warfronts
its simply not good enough to lose my sanity
actual garbage content
do rbgs count towards it?
wish i could get blood in arenas
^
but this is the new blizzard era, no skill allowed 
i know the pain of farming it
beating other rogue in my raid when he has 430 dagger and boots, actually so tilting
got 50k on week 1
it wasn't that bad if you farmed it in a 5 man premade grp
so theres no skill allowed but you beat the rogue with better gear @cosmic pier ?
I do get the point tho
grinding 57-59 in islands was way more mind numbing
we pretty much q'd ally the entire time, but like I said we had a 5 man premade
you get less honor from not participating so
5 man premade is the dream
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Bgs are more fun if you're good so i get your problem, malsam 
i just hate pvp that isnt arenas
so i was never going to want to do that grind
thank god lucid is good
i love the opener with it
Lucid is nice
random bg's are always fun if you like
fiestas
I need to get honor badly but soon it won't matter. At all
when i should use ashvane trink?
Yo, what stat benefits the most from lucid?
like what becomes your stat weights with it?
well it says crit
but when i put some crit and sim again it says crit is shit
so guess mastery ๐
yeah crit and mastery are good with it because it gives you all the energy you need for vendetta windows
and thats where a large chunk of you damage is
it also sims haste closer than before
yeah you just need to fine tune your gear to have just enough haste to be functional
How much haste do you have with it?
lemma check
although is entirely dpeends on your gear
especially how many OP traits you have
has anyone tried the other pots , different from agility ones? and are any of them better?
didn't the crit one get nerfed?
@woven summit https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dWvvuaHar689GaAPULH2oG thats my stat weights
you can see how close all the secondaries are
its a bit of a balancing act atm
just try a bunch of different rings with sockets, and sim all the gems/enchants if you can
but i dont have goraks
so it probs look different if i did
there is a macro for vendetta/ sized?
Nice, seems perfectly optimized
no because you shouldnt use them together
wut is sized?
check the pins in #wow-general
pocket-size
o
What potion do u guys prefer to use for pure ST?
which benthic pieces are worth upgrading and using? are any of their special effects very valuable?
are the pinned ones in any particular order
boots -> wrists -> belt
leatherworking boots tho
?
they are worse

bought the boots last night so bracers next ๐
than the benthics 
not worse if u cant get socket boots ;>
socket isn't that rare, is it?
Plus there is stuff outside of raids that the lw boots will b good for
oof
in fairness ive had plenty of pairs with socket, just not the crit boots lmao
kill me 
i bought 4 pairs of boots last night, all 4 pairs were the crit boots, and the 4th pair was socketed. don't feel bad though im still using 400 daggers
400!
it just shits me that something so good is behind such garbage rng
just like how I never got goraks all of last tier ๐
you dont really have to pvp at all
loot a war supply chest, kill an assassin, do incursion, do nazjatar pvp event
afk in an epic bg till you win
ah thought u had 400 mainhand
whats the benthics belt should i look for

Abberation damage is good for 2 bosses, the one that deals damage and gainst threat is aight
do you use fury then stealth?
the pre pot i mean
cause it puts you out of stealth
Hey guys, im levelling a rogue and actually im lvl 30. I wonder, if we have some aoe skills? Or talent?
Yes
level experience is terrible w/e
is the crit potion viable?

yes as of 8.2 you are able to craft it (the potion)
Can someone tell me what is wrong with shadowstep in the new raid ?
wanna elaborate on that?
you always get to the same point
i can perma use it on the fish, is this intended ?
yeah didnt had cd
got a log?
@mental obsidian if it breaks stealth still. Just macro /use unbridled fury potion /cast stealth
And youre set
Like the good ol days or rogue prepottibg
i can link you a log after raid is over. we upload logs after raid
Iโve had it have no cd on radiance too
Does anyone know
why our Hulk at Heroic Azshara always gets immune?
Does slow make it immune aswell?
no, slows are ok, but I know roots do, and that includes warrior charge if you have someone charging to it.
otherwise you have more than one person stunning it
Seems like kidney shot not working for full duration
In our raid they asked me to take off crippling. Seemed like 50/50 if he would come out of stun early
Other stuns works fine
We checked log and my kidney was alone CC and imideatly he become infuriated
So, for levelling, wich spec should i use?
outlaw probs your best bet
it was happening a few times on our pulls too, but with a hoj, more than likely a big, but not fight breaking.
people have been complaining about kidney breaking after 1s in here
but theyre all shit until you get aoe
Ya kidney seems to be no good. Thought prey on the weak would be good for it but kidney always breaks compared to hoj only sometimes. We went through the logs but couldn't figure it out
I know that he gets immune after a second stun
but we have 1 rogue doing kidney
but he gets immune instantly
and even if our hunter stuns it
it gets immune instantly aswell
gonna hoj then ty guys
can you use multiple reroll tokens on 1 boss in the same week?
yes
sweet... I really need to upgrade dagger
I still have 400 daggers, never got lucky off M opulence, or the hundred M+ end of dungeon chests, or the weekly chest
can I macro memory of lucid dreams with vendetta and trinket? doesnt seem to work when its not first on the list but then vendetta doesnt go off
so i cant just use one button to pop everything?
dats a bummer >;(
I don't think you want to pop lucid and vendetta same time
that feeling when you sim for 30 minutes under Dslice
How do I change potion on raidbots
simulation options


