#assassination

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modest jasper
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Just not using the UI

meager nebula
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Oh using an advance sim?

modest jasper
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Not even, can do that in any.

meager nebula
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Then he just needs the essence id

modest jasper
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Look at your simc output, should have a line like azerite_essences="27:2"

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Just add a second essence there so it's like azerite_essences="27:2/4:2"

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And voilรก, you are now simming major and minor.

spice cloak
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oh damn ok

modest jasper
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If you need them

turbid zealot
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ty m8

thorn fjord
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what are people loading their computation device with?

latent tendon
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Lazer beam

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And whatever highest stat card you get

thorn fjord
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awesome thanks

spice cloak
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didnt the nerf really devalue that ?

vapid scarab
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I mean they nerfed it but then they let it crit and scale with haste

civic palm
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Buffing it, really.

restive inlet
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Does potion of focused resolve still break stealth? I'm on holiday and can't test myself atmpepehands

vapid scarab
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no

restive inlet
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Sweet, thank you

turbid zealot
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so overall what potion should we be using

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or is it based on stats

nimble tartan
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im using unbridled fury ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

flint jetty
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st focused relove 2 target sup agi and 3+ emp prox

nimble tartan
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unbridled bis for me ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

turbid zealot
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ok ty

vapid scarab
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yeah fury is better than resolve

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you can sim each pot on raidbots and find for yourself

reef mulch
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Force mulitplier never seems to sim higher than deadly/quick for me, is that just my shitty gear?

flint jetty
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thats right

reef mulch
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great thanks ๐Ÿ˜„

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also, Focusing iris main, use it when pooling like the mecha trinket? Or during Vendetta?

vapid scarab
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it doesn't get increased by vendetta

tall pelican
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can somone with a bit of time help me with gear selection

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I have a simc string

azure sluice
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isnt singel target haste>crit>mastry

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cus sim telling me rightnow Mastry>haste

vapid scarab
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lucid does that

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it's not incorrect if that's what you're asking

azure sluice
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the sim is always right ?

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cus in somecases some class get wrong sim info

tall pelican
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Sas can i send yo ua text file with my simc stats

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and could you tell me what you would use

vapid scarab
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why can't you put it into raidbots yourself

undone pasture
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RockMaN some classes dont have our awesome professionals so they get things wrong. We r in safe hands

frigid briar
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Snappets, go to raidbots.com and paste the string in. Set to 5 minutes and 1 target. Then select gear you think potentially good be better. Click simulate.

stable pine
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Just ran Iris in M+ man itโ€™s fun!!!

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I felt like a DH - so cute

modest tendon
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How many EBโ€™s will people be running on average now? Iโ€™m feeling like 2 is too much right now, although I havenโ€™t tried FH yet

upbeat geode
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Guys Kimble trinket is pretty low on the list on bloodmallet and herodmg, but when i sim myself it says its better than other trinkets i have, shall i trust my sims or the trinket rankings?

civic palm
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It's not low.

modest tendon
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Trust the sim

civic palm
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aka the charts.

upbeat geode
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its lower than other trinkets that i have (on higher ilvl's)

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thanks payday

vagrant urchin
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When rupture restores energy cuz the target died you get energy regen based on % of time or seconds remain?

ember rover
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Yes.

civic palm
white basalt
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Any pointers for H Queen Azshara?

serene plaza
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dont die

pastel cliff
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oof

signal ice
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Yo anyone using Razer Coral? im getting mixed information on using this trinket.
Some people are saying use it every 20 sec and others are saying Consume the crit stacks in your vendetta window.

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anyone actually have definitive answer?

hot copper
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
pallid fulcrum
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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT
autumn night
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[Undulating Tides] or [Scent of Blood]

placid dawn
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How is it that people are simming for 35k? mine barely reaches 31k

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would probably be 32k with second minor

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are benthic pieces really that huge?

frigid briar
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Link your sim

vapid scarab
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sockets+essences+benthic+cyclo

autumn night
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im almost at 38k

frigid briar
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Try getting blightborn and twist the knife

modest jasper
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No Benthic and no punchard

frigid briar
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And punchcard

modest jasper
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Those are massive dps boosts for sims.

white basalt
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ok am i crazy or what....sometimes if pull at the exact time the tank does, SS garrote only gives 2 combo points instead of 3. wtf

frigid briar
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Crit potions breaks stealth

white basalt
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not using crit potion

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even like mid fight sometimes if i vanish and garrote it jsut gives 2 points

frigid briar
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Buy better internet ๐Ÿ˜‚

placid dawn
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are puncharcs rng or can I buy them?

stable pine
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What Benthic pieces are we aiming for fam?

frigid briar
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Rustbolt reputation

quasi ledge
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It's in the pins

frigid briar
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Boots, bracers belt with socket

stable pine
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all 3?

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does the increase dps stack?

white basalt
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no one else suffering from 2 combo point SS garrotes?

quasi ledge
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They're different effects, so yes :p

white basalt
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like what the hell is going on man ๐Ÿ˜ฆ

frigid briar
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I sim 35k without benthic. Because it wont socket ๐Ÿ˜‚

stable pine
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Just bought my first piece and it got socket

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POG AF dude

frigid briar
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Feelsbadman

prisma beacon
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just wear it, the effect alone is op

frigid briar
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Never socket or bust

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It will socket one month๐Ÿ˜‚ poghypers

green ledge
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got socketed bracers, belt and boots ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

frigid briar
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Link your sim Mose

green ledge
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bracers with frost dmg. belt with aberration dmg and boots with crit

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simmed 29k yesterday

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SS build

frigid briar
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That seems incredibly low gear

green ledge
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can run another, by all means

quasi ledge
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We won't mention that @white basalt

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:)

frigid briar
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Lol

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I SAW IT

green ledge
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ah, snap. using the wrong helmet lol

fallow otter
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i see EB

devout spire
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!Essence

fallow otter
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yup ๐Ÿ˜‰

peak badger
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LF some tips guys. i feel like my openers are good but the sustainment is where im failing. Starting to think i don't know wtf im doing

winter moss
green ledge
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yeah, been doing wq's so had the wrong helmet on. gonna do another one

frigid briar
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Spend energy when you have damage amps. Pool energy when you dont.

fallow otter
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@peak badger when you run 3x NP your opener gonna be big but then once vend is over that trait not doin anything

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you got other options?

green ledge
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so not a huge difference

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oh well ๐Ÿ˜›

frigid briar
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1xBB 1xTTK 1xNP 3xDD

Master assassin talent

Rustbolt rep trinket
lurker trinket

Imo is a pretty solid build all round

peak badger
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venture co chest and pistoleers spaulders

fallow otter
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how you guess my shit infex lol

green ledge
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damn stunkei ๐Ÿ˜ฎ

frigid briar
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Thats what Ive found to be best so far

fallow otter
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yeh me 2

green ledge
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is MA really that good?

frigid briar
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majority of players dont use SS properly to max damage

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MA is alot more streamline

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I'd suggest anyone not pulling near their SS sims to try the MA build

green saffron
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Hello, what azerite traits should I use for M+ now as Sin Rogue.

sharp lake
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I have a lot more fun playing MA and it sims higher than the SS build for me pretty consistently.

frigid briar
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MA is best ST anyways afaik

sharp lake
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There are some fights in EP that seem better for SS than MA, but I haven't really tried it much.

frigid briar
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And honestly, I havent seen a need for us to AoE, mild cleave at best in Eternal Palace

peak badger
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what is the optimal count of envenoms during TB window, 3?

fallow otter
white basalt
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3 is optimal but more about keeping up envenom buff. and the biggest thing is getting as many TB casts off as possible

fallow otter
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its not gospel but some pointers, keep in mind timing of DPS windows and mechanics are not taken into consideration its just doing calculations on how many times you could have used abilities considering their CD etc

cobalt gyro
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2 is minimum, if you don't get two you fucked up

ember rover
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I had the impression that 2 was supposed to be maximum, not minimum.

peak badger
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so i shouldn't be worried about casting as many as possible and more on just making sure i maintain the envenom uptime?

ember rover
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You want to cast 2 Envenoms to have the envenom buff for 10s, but what you REALLY want is to cast as many mutis as possible.

white basalt
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you should always pull energy before IF you can

cobalt gyro
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Inside tb as long as it's two or more it's fine. 3 is ideal, 4 is perfect rng

signal flame
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Is two on use trinkets okay to use? My sims are recommending me to go for cyclotronic blast and lustrous plum.. how should I cycle them?

white basalt
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dont delay TB just to get more envenoms in

peak badger
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i try to go in the tb with a 100 or more energy

fallow otter
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your TB have 55% uptime, just press it on cooldown in the short term

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you are losing too much dps just not pressing it

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then learn to pool before its coming off cd

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not pool now its off cd and ready to press

uneven summit
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Looks like people are stacking crit over haste?

ember rover
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I`m confused, how can TB have 55% uptime when it's 9sec duration on a 25sec CD

fallow otter
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the lots say hes pressed it 9 times, and he could have pressed it 17

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logs*

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so hes holding it wayyyyy too long

peak badger
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because im holding it

white basalt
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55 percent of POSSSIBLE uptime

ember rover
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Oh, I see.

fallow otter
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dont hold it, just use it on CD and then learn to pool before the CD

peak badger
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Im thinking that i want my rup and garrote on full duration during my tb window so i can envenom as many times as possible

fallow otter
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you will get better at the timing naturally

white basalt
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Badbunny,, they dont have toe be max duration,. just long enough. you can refresh early. get a weakaura tot help you trakck this

peak badger
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ive been using luxthos weakauras but i need an envenom wa

white basalt
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ur overthinking the envenom thing. just use it basically on cooldown, and try to pool energy before without letting bleeds drop or wasting GCDs

stable pine
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@frigid briar just got socket bracer lol haste and vers though :/

ember rover
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I find myself often delaying TB for 4-5 sec to fit it into Vendetta + BotE + Vanish window.

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Thinking whether it';s an actual gain or not.

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My train of thought is, I`m delaying it by 20-25% of it's CD to have it be around 70% more efficient.

white basalt
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Dont delay by 5 seconds more than a few time a fight

signal flame
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Anyone that can help me with my double trinket issue?

placid dawn
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is it worth it to craft punchcards on the mechagon tinkering thig?

white basalt
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Bjuv, isnt punchcard off the 30 sec shared CD thing?

signal flame
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from what I heard they added it to the shared cd

ember rover
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Yes, it shares CD now.

placid dawn
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so, i can't use lurkers + punchcard now?

signal flame
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my thought was mainly which one to use with vendetta plumage or cyclotronic

ember rover
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No, you can't do that anymore.

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Cyclotronic doesn't get damage increase from Vendetta.

quasi ledge
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Plumage, use Cyclo separately when you're pooling and have a few seconds spare

celest swan
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after the first raids, what is our take on the benthic gloves?

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they are worth it?

signal flame
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Alright

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that makes sense, cheers!

frigid briar
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Dam bracers boy๐Ÿ˜‚

uneven summit
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To sim for m+ best - 5 targets 40 seconds? what do you guys prefer

frigid briar
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If you run lucid I think you only need to pool on your 4th Tb after the opener, no need to pool when heroism is up. It really reduces the amount of pooling you need to do. I suggest getting a WA to tell you when its off CD.

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You still run punchcard as far as im aware

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Punchcard lurker is still BiS, you use punchcard like 1 minute into the fight though which is weird AF

spice cloak
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so dropping red card haste proc for cyroblast?

frigid briar
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Were people using the haste card proc? Did I miss something?

spice cloak
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get what you get to start i suppose

frigid briar
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What? You buy the punchcard from a vendor at 415 itmlvl

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Its not random

spice cloak
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with rep ys

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missed your question is guess

zenith gust
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I'm using cycloblast whenever i have to pool energy ๐Ÿคท

placid dawn
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is it possible to buy the red haste punchard?

frigid briar
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Yeah its like 1 min into fight and then every 2 mins on CD for cyclo trinket

nimble tartan
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is there a 40k gamer rogue sim yet

spice cloak
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haste is getting so low. i think it might sim better too

frigid briar
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Seen close

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39k is highest I seen

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We got like 3x 450 trinkets drop last night, none for rogue though

nimble tartan
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danh

frigid briar
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Honestly not even sure what trinket I want

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I have 425 lurker

nimble tartan
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lucker

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ill forever have a heroic

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i bonus rolled mythic the 3 times we killed it but never lucky

frigid briar
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Which is on use, so only swap it for azshara mythic trinket

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No idea what to get to pair it as a proc trinket

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Loaded dice seems low on sims but considering all my stats are as balanced as I ever seen

nimble tartan
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ye my stats are reaching some balance as well

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except mastery low

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im crit>haste=vers>>mastery

frigid briar
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My mastery plummeted yesterdsy when I swapped ring

nimble tartan
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i do have super low vers 1% 94 stat

frigid briar
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Yeah im crit haste vers mastery aswell

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What proffs you use on rogue?

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Can I craft 425 boots and 425 legs?

nimble tartan
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im lw and engi

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but im using crit boots and cos pants rn

frigid briar
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Im unsure if the elvui bugged out but recipe for boots disapeared when I bought the legs

nimble tartan
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i havent done any crafting yet B(

frigid briar
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We did normal first then few HC bosses then took a break to go craft stuff before going back to raid

fallow cypress
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i have both 425 boots and legs

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with lw

frigid briar
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Assassination dude top damage on hc azshara kill๐Ÿ‘Œ thats what I like to see

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Must be Ui bug then. Thanks eidolon. That means 6 sockets now

inner citrus
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so like we gem crit right?

frigid briar
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Gem your best stat

vestal wren
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just sim without gems and make a stat plot

ember rover
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If you're using Lucid minor, you most likely won't get Haste, that's for sure.

frigid briar
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Haste is best for me or equal to anyways

inner citrus
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yea i think lucid minor is always there

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its one of the best minors we have

slender mantle
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which essences should i use (major and minor)

inner citrus
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!ess

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!essence

solid nova
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Bots down

vestal wren
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!essences

prisma monolithBOT
vestal wren
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and yes, the bot host seems to roll out an update, so i hope this wont impact the bot to much...

frigid briar
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See haste is up there.

ember rover
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Seems suspicious.

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Haste goes down a lot for me when I put Lucid Minor in.

frigid briar
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Yeah but I have tonnes of mastery and crit

oblique jackal
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is master assassin better than subter?

frigid briar
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For me yeah, from logs ive seen mostly yeah

latent tendon
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Sim it. But in general, MA is only good when you don't have any Shrouded Suffocation traits

nimble tartan
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how do i make a stat plot

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im a 3head

silver musk
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is it better to use env with 4 combo points instead of mutilate to cap cp

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cuz overcap chance

solid nova
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You finish on 4+

quasi ledge
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You'll always overcap if you Mutilate at 4

silver musk
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thanksss

white basalt
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youll prob over cap if you do it at 3

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well, like fiddy fiddy

vestal wren
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@nimble tartan dps_plot_stat=haste,crit_rating,mastery should do the job, or just do a normal stat wight sim

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probably worth to add dps_plot_positive=1 so you dont have negative plot

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so:

dps_plot_stat=haste,crit_rating,mastery```
placid dawn
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are you guys always simming with worldvein?

sick owl
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Trying to find a good time to fit in using the Cyclotronic Blast channel of the Pocket-Sized Trinket with the opening rotation. Using Lucid Dreams.

frigid briar
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After your 3rd toxic blade

sick owl
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Unless I wait for vendetta and lucid dreams to finish their duration I am just energy capping when using the channel

frigid briar
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When no energy, use it as a pooling technique

sick owl
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ok

spice cloak
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is there a CD on that channel?

frigid briar
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What do you mean?

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Its a cast you need to let finish then let finish channel

mighty elm
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i fit in the trinket right before 3rd toxic

spice cloak
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how often can you use it

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whats its Cooldown

frigid briar
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2 mins

idle lance
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Why the hell is Infexious not in the Shadows rank yet?

frigid briar
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Used to be

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Wasnt for me

idle lance
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I was literally just watching one of your videos and here you are

frigid briar
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Just lending a hand since this weeks usually chaos with questions ect

sick owl
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I appreciate it

frigid briar
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One thing I do see is assass rogues needing an outlaw set for 2nd last boss. Them pirate boys looking stronk

placid dawn
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what are the usual stat prios for outlull?

crystal vault
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wrong channel โ™ฟ

sick owl
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Stack verse^^

frigid briar
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Yeah probs better asking that in outlaw or checkin the pins over there

placid dawn
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im asking cause he said we should get an outlaw set, i also saw the wcl for zaqul, outlaw is really high up

idle lance
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He's stating we need an Outlaw set for that boss. Correct channel

frigid briar
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Highest outlaw rogue doing 20k more than highest assass rogueblobsweat

spice cloak
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is it meaningful dps though?

frigid briar
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Not looked at the log in detail

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You gain like an insane haste buff

crystal vault
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and then you have shadows ^^

spice cloak
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rather burn boss dmg with that buff

frigid briar
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And 30% damage amps

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On mythic the adds will need to die

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So depends what guild your in

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Top end probs will roll outlaw on the fight if the guild needs it.

spice cloak
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probably not that

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herioc tier baby

idle lance
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I'm not sure if I wanna continue with Assassination or give Subtlety a shot again.

vague kernel
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I tried 2eb 2ttk 2ss on zaqul I was doing like 52k without much hassle

spice cloak
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sub is meme!

nimble tartan
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ty fuu

naive ridge
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!azerite

onyx rock
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Zaqul is the 7. boss yeah ?

nimble tartan
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ye

onyx rock
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I think i am in for that boss in split today

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Will try some EB pad

livid tide
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Keep up Rupture at 4+ on all targets (when living long enough)
how much time is long enough? And rupture in addcleave still with 4+ CP?

twin fiber
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Personally i use it when it can tick for atleast half of the duration

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Since you still get energy back its not that wasted

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Maybe there is probably a better mathematical use

frigid briar
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52k compare to outlaws effortless 76k though? Once people start optimizing that fight the gap could increase alot. Looks to be a fight where alot of cheese strats could happen

celest swan
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any idea of unbridled fury stealt cancle got fixed in the latest hotfix, its not mention but a rogue can dream

frigid briar
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Looking forward to seeing it on mythic prog

strange python
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man with lucid major, heroism and vendetta it's so fucking hard to find a time to pop the beam trinket

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if we lust on pull i delay 40 seconds lmao

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so i dno if i should even use it

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it sims 400 higher than anything else though

crystal vault
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i don't know either monkahmm

fierce onyx
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Now that focused resolve has been nerfed, what potion should we use in st?

shy axle
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afaik using it at around 1 min into the fight with 3 uses is fine

strange python
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fair enough

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i'll just keep using it

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try and get better and finding windows to use it

dark crag
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At zaqul outlaw cleaves hard onto the small adds. Big adds must die too, but we could also see sub rogues sneaking in on mythic if everything gets a step up

winter moss
strange python
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oof

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not that bad tbf

lusty narwhal
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Did anyone elses mouseover tricks fuck up after reset?

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Keeps giving invalid target lol

spring pagoda
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Hey, kinda new to the spec, is poison bomb always superior in multi or crimson tempest becomes relevant for some dungeons?

winter moss
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for normals they are bad. missing buff uptime and so on

vestal wren
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its week one, so PeepoShrug

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you can improve

winter moss
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crimson tempest is more or less worthless atm

strange python
spring pagoda
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Sad I enjoyed it SucksMan

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I guess exsanguinate is the same then?

winter moss
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EB is so strong that you wanna spend every other GCD where you dont have to put a bleed on a target with fok

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currently yes

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we basically play budget sub with TB + TTK traits and EB

strange python
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i like it ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

vestal wren
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or dont play ttk ๐Ÿค”

winter moss
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fuu Peepono

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TTK sims so high and even more with deeper strat

real bay
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we just had other ppl kill the small adds, boss dmg sucks dick with eb

winter moss
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get them juicy crits

crystal vault
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so, with the EB/TTK and maybe deeper stratagem, we play like sub? fok, envenom, fok, envenom ... ?

winter moss
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with this affix, yeah basically

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there is a target count where we cast 10 fok back to back

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but havent played that many keys yet so idk if we ever reach this count due to emissaries

spring pagoda
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You don't even bother maintaining rupture and garrote? Toxic

winter moss
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rupture YES

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garrote no

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without rupture you wont have enough energy

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unless you play lucid major

spring pagoda
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So SF stacking is bad now?

crystal vault
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fok'ing with EB at already 2 targets?

winter moss
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i tend not to, but have seen people doing it

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what do you mean by SF

crystal vault
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is there any "guide or spreadsheet" for things like, what mechanics can we cloak/feint, or in m+ solo interrupt with stuns and so on?

winter moss
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guide or spreadsheet

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not really

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but our boi seliathan (incarnated on twitch) does a good job explaining everything

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but on the side note: you should know what you are able to interrupt solo or cloak

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feint got incredibly nerfed passivly by blizzard

vestal wren
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i think for cloak its not as straight forward

winter moss
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in terms of abilites not being coded as aoe even if they are

exotic geyser
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There's a comment in the assassination APL about using garrote occasionally to get the 5th CP, but I couldn't find the conditions for that in the code, and when I look at the sample sequence, it never seems to recast it early.

queen tiger
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Guys, running 3x EB, 1x TTK and 1x SS, should I drop exsanguinate for TB in m+?

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also running with subterfuge instead of MA

winter moss
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@queen tiger exsang is a dps loss with current m+ build
@exotic geyser recasting it early is straight up dps loss unless you will be away for 18 seconds on the boss

frigid briar
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Andryle the condition will be when its below pandemic refresh, I also refresh below 12 if im just about to drop vendetta

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Havnt looked just guessing

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Also for the logs on fish boss, seems you gotta kill boss before you need 2nd puffer fish 2nd platform. Its doable. We missed it by like 2% because people died. Difference between an 80% log and 95% log

zinc furnace
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What's the most efficient honor farm way if u're a disabled pvp noob but want blood of the enemy rank3?

frigid briar
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Get first puffer fish and nuke boss, CD the blast when you cant be healed and kill before he goes 3rd platform

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Bg's and alot of hours of BGs

solid nova
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Just get the swimspeed bluecard and be the first one over for maximum uptimes wesmart

zinc furnace
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So ignore expeditions?

winter moss
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@zinc furnace queue for bgs and try your best to win

frigid briar
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The pvp event is back up in august, if you want to wait. 50% more honor then

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With the 50% event and 50% merc buff we played 12 hours and lost only 4 bgs. That gave us 30k honor

spring pagoda
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Went to eat @winter moss sorry for not answering, I meant, SS stacking is bad in m+? U said I shouldn't bother maintaining garrote in multi

frigid briar
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Should be able to maths the hours out fron that. Remember that was only 4 loses though

winter moss
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well khall i hope you had a good one

jaunty arrow
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Which traits are top for m+ now? Still have 2ss 2eb 2ttk + running exs (not tb)

zinc furnace
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Ok. And whst is merc buff? (Sorry no idea on pvp related stuff at all)

winter moss
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in terms of traits in m+ there is not really a answer to this, because it depends on what role you got to play and on affixes and comp

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SS stacking isnt bad, but shrouded suffocation if mostly for the boss dmg

frigid briar
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Merc buff is gained if you play on the least populated faction or pick up the buff from your pvp vendor to que as opposite faction

queen tiger
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@compact ocean Thanks, so EB+TTK + TB in m+, right? What about subterfuge vs MA? Any insights?

winter moss
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you garrote the first 3 enemies in a pack to sustain energy levels until you have your ruptures out

fallow otter
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@lusty narwhal im not sure if you got answered but i bet you are using the neural silencer blue punchcard

frigid briar
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Lol 100% stunkei

zinc furnace
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@frigid briar got it. Thanks a lot for info

frigid briar
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No worries

winter moss
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@queen tiger you always want to have atleast one SS trait so subterfuge is the go to talent in m+

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Allrounder M+ Trait setup: 2TTK/2EB/2SS

vapid finch
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has any used Dribbling Inkpot (430) trinket? Hero Damage has it simmed way above highborne compendium of sundering but for when I sim in the nightly build it is a dps loss

spring pagoda
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And I guees you change 1 ss in fortified weeks

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For maybe eb

frigid briar
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I havnt looked into M+ yet, from what I played I generally just 3 garrotes rupture, drops vendetta and toxic blade, blood essence and spam FOK and nothing else.

Nets be around 100k on 4-5 mobs. So many optimizations I could be doing but until push time, no no.

winter moss
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then again, depends on the role you have to fulfill, comp and dungeon

spring pagoda
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I run with a fury warrior and an elem, so single target isn't a problem I think ๐Ÿค”

silver musk
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hey guys

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any tips on how to use razor coral

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pop with vendetta or?

fresh flicker
#

I would also like to know this

silver musk
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so confused

fresh flicker
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is there a set amount of stacks that its worth the reuse at?

modest jasper
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Step 1 is to check whether anyone else also has the trinket. In that case bank it.

winter moss
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khall i recommend atleast 1 ss 2-3 ttk and 2-3 EB

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switch around due to dungeon

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(tos favors 3 ttk, same as KR, other dungeons favor 3eb)

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on fortified key

spring pagoda
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Thx, really helpful peepoyes

silver musk
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so aesri no more steps? :p

winter moss
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if you want to have a live action of assa m+ head over to incarnated on twitch

late dawn
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What is ttk?

winter moss
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(shout out for selis stream)

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twist the knife

modest jasper
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Oh, I don't know how to use the trinket sadly, I just know it's bugged.

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I hoped someone would fill in with Step 2.

winter moss
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sadly i cant fill in step 2

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but i can help in other ways

frigid briar
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20 stacks or during vendetta burst

dont have it, not tested

silver musk
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it takes long time to stacks that too much i think

frigid briar
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Just use 425 lurker anyways

winter moss
nimble tartan
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do i upgrade these...

slim socket
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tbh i dont understand why coral sims so high

stable yarrow
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d00 it

nimble tartan
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rktm do i do it...

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or do i gamble more for the other ones...

stable yarrow
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JUST DO IT BRO

nimble tartan
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the other ones sim +80 more dude..

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i gotta go AGANE

stable yarrow
#

the gamba never stops feelscryman

frigid briar
#

DOO ITTTT

nimble tartan
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its going to the CRUNCHER

cobalt pelican
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80 dps for a fish

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good trade

inner tree
#

guys when i sim myself with stats weights it tells me that mastery/crit is my best stat however when i try to sim with best gear to see what gems to use it tells me to keep gemming full haste

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i don't even know what stats i need at this point...

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i have blood major lucid minor

jaunty breach
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what does +10 drop

frigid briar
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Probably means your stats are pretty close, best gear is best simulation. Equip that gear

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Then run a sim to see what stats look like for your upgrades in future

inner tree
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will do ty

wooden fog
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+10 415 end of dungeon, 440 weekly chest

jaunty breach
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oh ok nice!

regal coral
#

hi buddyboyz, which prepot is king now?

slender urchin
#

What other benthic gear is worth chasing other than crit boots?

silver zenith
#

Pins Vicewind

slender urchin
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Thanks

restive inlet
#

How does sustain feel in delirium realm on zaqul HC? Leeching poision might be decent there?

slender urchin
#

I got Azsharaโ€™s Font of Power last night. That + coral is so strong but so awkward to use ๐Ÿ˜ญ

twilit portal
#

anyone have infos about a crit potion nerf ? lock discord talk about it, but 0 infos found

winter moss
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what nerf

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Using Potion of Focused Resolve should no longer break stealth.

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posted on july 9th

twilit portal
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This is even more relevant today with the nerf to the potion of Focused Resolve.

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post here in TCupdates

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that why i ask

#

๐Ÿ˜ƒ

sturdy dust
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how was Focused Resolved nerfed?

winter moss
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the information is hard to comeby

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but i think i got it

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from my understand i believe it stacks 1% per stack now

#

taking much longer to stack iirc

trim forge
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@inner tree I had soemthing similar and what I found was my % were different enough that a little in one place made a big change (i.e.: 29% crit and 11% vers).

slender urchin
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I was wondering why I lost 600 dps overnight. The focused resolve nerf explains it

#

Looks like unbridled fury is the way to go

crystal vault
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unbridled fury over agi ?

winter moss
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sim it

naive ridge
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is the frost dmg wrist worth to go?

frigid briar
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If you get socket upgrade them for sure

real bay
#

unbridled sims higher like 200dps

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also cheaper

carmine lynx
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yep unbridled also gives me a 500 dps increase over superior agi pot and 700 over focused resolve

naive ridge
#

unbirdled? whats the full name

carmine lynx
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potion of unbridled fury

naive ridge
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oh, ty..:P

brittle cloud
#

There a list of BIS Benthic gear for Assa(if it rolls a socket)?

  • Crit Damage boots
  • Frost dmg wrists (actually bis or just good?)
  • others?
solid nova
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-Pins?

night vale
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the T24 profile is using the crit boots and the frost dmg wrists over mythic peices... so they will be good choices... all others would be replaced by mythic gear. although you may want aberation belt for the aberation bosses

brittle cloud
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Shit itโ€™s in pins. Thatโ€™s good info though, @night vale thanks.

night vale
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no worries

mossy zealot
#

seeing as it seems to keep chainging, what's currently the best azerite essence for my major slot?

dusty roost
#

anyone having trouble using kidney shot on overzealous hulk (queen azshara) we're trying different CC's, so far it seems HOJ gets good value but kidney shot is breaking after 1 second. i'm about 90% sure it isn't another player casting a stun causing an immunity...

sinful fern
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Yes @dusty roost , itโ€™s bugged

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We had to use HOJ a well, since kidney was breaking

crystal vault
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yeah, Potion of Unbridled Fury simmed highest for me,. weird โ™ฟ

dusty roost
#

thanks @sinful fern i've been searching in between pulls but haven't found a formal post on the issue

solid nova
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Yeah its literally just been spoken about in #wow-general with some logs

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Better to just report it as a bug and wait

winter moss
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i fucked up my huge as potion sim

dusty roost
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thanks ๐Ÿ™

winter moss
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sadface

vagrant wigeon
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what traits do we need ?

vernal robin
#

what minor you guys using for m+? worldvein?

undone pasture
upbeat geode
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blusters, Nothing personal and dubble dose, check herodmg or bloodmallet

astral tangle
#

Anyone got a good Coral WA, and knows the proper way to handle it?

upbeat geode
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i was making one but then i simmed myself and it showed it wasnt that good, you might wanna sim yourself first

vagrant wigeon
#

ty

crystal vault
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the vers buff from lucid r3 minor ist pretty big poggers

sturdy dust
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I'm getting r3 today so I'm happy to hear that

crystal vault
#

i tested it for 2mins and got an uptime for 1.29

sturdy dust
#

Over 5 minute sims it looks like 50% uptime

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Hope that doesn't get too big of a nerf

crystal vault
#

50% + uptime for 360vers is pretty insane for minor

distant mist
#

looks like unbridled was fixed

crystal vault
#

what do you mean ?

faint harness
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it used to take you out of stealth

main mirage
#

Is SS and echoing blades still the best m+ traits?

vestal wren
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yes

main mirage
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COol, thats kinda what i assumed thanks ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

strange python
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how do i sim different pots

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don't see it in the options is it in the code?

rigid mango
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Click show more options and choose which pot

strange python
#

ty

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ah yeah i'm blind af

surreal solar
#

Ashvane's trinket looks whack

upbeat geode
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looks good on herodmg, looks bad in sims

trim forge
#

!essences

prisma monolithBOT
surreal solar
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i wonder how hero insists on using it tho, wether its use on cd or wait till X stacks

cobalt pelican
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herodamage is just based on the sim..

onyx rock
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Ist the Phial of the Arcane Tempest simming wrong ? The dps it makes is way higher then Kimbul Trinket in the meters but its simming like dogshit

surreal solar
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guess sim is struggling to sim the new trinkets?

slender urchin
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The sim for Coral uses it on CD

upbeat geode
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sims told me to use 415 kimbul over 420 coral

mossy ferry
#

Does using Ashvane put Lurker's on 20s cd every time?

onyx rock
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i am not talking about coral

slender urchin
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Iโ€™m curious though if it can be optimized by saving stacks for vendetta

onyx rock
#

Phial of the Arcane Tempest was 3,9% of my dmg on a 5 min dummy test

surreal solar
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the debuff lasts 2min, and it can go up to 18 at least

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refreshs on re-apps

upbeat geode
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stacks to 100

surreal solar
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oh god

slender urchin
#

11000 crit ๐Ÿคฃ

upbeat geode
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good luck getting 100 stacks before the fight ends

arctic walrus
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Your sims do it thousands of times, you did it once for 5 minutes

surreal solar
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i mean, its what? 10k dmg a proc

upbeat geode
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also oyu dont want more than 100% crit ๐Ÿ˜„

slender urchin
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Ashvane does put other trinkets on 20s cd

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I have Ashvane and Azsharaโ€™s Font

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So I have to delay 1 coral use when I Font

upbeat geode
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i would use lurkers on opener, and wait with using Ashvane's

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not sure if that was good

slender urchin
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And I canโ€™t use Coral until 20s in

surreal solar
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why?

upbeat geode
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shared cd with other on use

slender urchin
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Because you open with Azsharaโ€™s Font

surreal solar
#

oh

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i dont even have font

mossy ferry
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do you Font at -5 and pot at -1?

surreal solar
#

that could work

slender urchin
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Font + Coral = use both on CD but Font>Coral prio

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Thatโ€™s how the APL handles it

upbeat geode
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it has 20 sec cd on apply and 20 sec on consume stacks, so you cant use other trink with vanish

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you can use Coral every other tb

surreal solar
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if you dont have a 2nd on use just use coral on cd? preferably initially with TB?

tribal marlin
#

Bascially you apply coral once at the start. Then you activate it with your vendetta and make sure to re-apply the debuff after the vendetta

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If you have 2 on-use trinket (like cyclotronic) make sure to re-apply coral before using Cyclotronic

stiff grotto
#

best essences for this tier?

upbeat geode
#

!essences

prisma monolithBOT
upbeat geode
#

thistle there isnt anything about which essence to pick in the pins

severe bough
#

How does worldvein even work

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I havent tried it once

#

The minor i mean

worn crag
#

Hi guys I switched to rogue because I'm sick of my DH b11 and I want to play my zandalari but I perform very bad with him. I played outlaw in m+ and open world but I can't handle sin very well oO

upbeat geode
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keyzer, i would avoid it, but sim yourself to be sure

rigid mango
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@worn crag none of that was a question

opal viper
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does anyone have a WA for coral stacks?

worn crag
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@rigid mango nope it wasn't but now I wanna ask you I have 2 x NP / 3 x DD and 1 x shrouded. The rotation feels very slow in comparison to my DH is that normal? Pls don't joke about me I just want help :/

rigid mango
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Yes, sin is a slow spec

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If you want something more comparable to DH, outlaw is closer

upbeat geode
#

sin is more planning less spamming

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but thats what i like about it

strange python
#

Sin flows very well with Lucid. Very hard to play Outlaw after it

vestal wren
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for raid sin looks (outside of maybe the aoe fights) rly good

regal coral
#

Will assa be good in m+? thats the big question

#

Because if yes, bye bye outlaw

tribal marlin
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it's ok tier

#

Shrouded still pretty good if you are night elf

#

what you should be because NE power

surreal solar
#

Inkpod doing any favors for anyone?

vestal wren
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well it comes down to what is needed in your m+ combination:

  • good st, strong downtime damage, good aoe -> assassination
  • decent st, insane aoe, strong prio damage -> outlaw
  • decent st, okay aoe, insane prio damage -> subtlety
strange python
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Sin is better than ok tier for M+ I'd say but that's just how my numbers have been panning

broken crypt
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I enjoy both

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im not pro or anything tho lol

rigid mango
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@tribal marlin wdym ok tier

#

LOL

woven summit
#

Finally managed to come back to the game. So what's the essense build now for raiding and keys?

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The meta

round harbor
#

Multiple essence for raid is the meta

quartz rune
woven summit
#

Oh great

#

thanks

#

Just noticed ๐Ÿ˜„

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So guess the majority are going for lucid rank 3?

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as major

lusty compass
#

just spent 400 manapearls to get the socketed crit boots. spoiler, i didn't get them.

urban junco
#

Ouch

hybrid laurel
#

i spent 385 yesterday

woven summit
#

damn

hybrid laurel
#

but i did get them ๐Ÿ˜’

ember dagger
#

which benthic pieces are you guys going for?

#

ty

naive pier
#

Hey guys, stupid question, can i use anything other than daggers? maybe axes or fist weapons,

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nvm found the answer xD

keen meteor
#

With trait my garrote only get 1 point on Orgo. Is there something wrong?

hollow stone
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If you wanna gen cps with just fok, sure

woven summit
#

I see Seliathan using Lucid rank 3 for m+

hybrid laurel
#

you still go for 3-2 NP, 3-2 DD and 1 SS?

woven summit
#

Nice thought Lucid would not be that good for keys

hybrid laurel
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in raid

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and ST

woven summit
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Yeah it's NP and DD, you can go without any SS if you go MA though

hollow stone
#

Could be a bug, could be that youre not pulling from stealth, could be that youre not actually using ss, could be that the trait bug is back (take your az off and put it back on). There a no known issues atm around ss @keen meteor

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Could be your prepot breakig stealth if that wasnt fixed

surreal solar
#

some bosses break stealth on pull

cosmic vine
#

so is anybody using blood of the enemy as a major and lucid dreams as a minor

keen meteor
#

hmmm ok

rigid mango
#

Yes @cosmic vine

hollow stone
#

People using all sorts of essence combos atm because its still "what sims best for you". Until all essences are r3. The answer to what essences should i use is, sim yo self

woven summit
#

well if our stat prio is the same it will still be good

vestal carbon
#

How are you guys farming so many pearls?

surreal solar
#

rares, boxes, dailies, if your desperate, hydras

hollow stone
#

Essences, gear, stats, az; all impact your chars personal stat weights. Its going to be in constant flux while gearing up/swapping essences

valid spoke
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Do you use the Cyclotronic Blast punch card just after the vendetta window, regardless of overcapping energy?

weary briar
#

anyone know what is the bis from benthic?

crisp steppe
#

@valid spoke u just want to get the maximum amount of uses per fight i reckon

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You might end up using it in less optimal circumstances if that gets u an extra cast in

weary briar
#

ty

sinful fern
#

So Iโ€™ve been saving Cyclonic for after lucid, when Iโ€™m low on energy. Should I use it right when itโ€™s up, (20 seconds after lurkers)?

solar rose
sinful fern
#

Ty!

short stratus
#

!wa

prisma monolithBOT
gusty copper
#

hey guys, i've been trying to figure out what gear i should spend my mana pearls on, if theres a list somewhere i can look out that would be awesome

rancid bobcat
signal summit
#

feets and bracers

#

what essence seems like the best to farm for ? since u can farm for blood of the enemy etc, is it worth farming for or go lucid major and minor u think ? @hollow stone

warm summit
#

how much difference in dmg would 390/410 daggers to 420+/420+ create. I feel i'm doing the rotation correctly but and my Ilvl is 415, but I am not outputting what I feel I should be able to, people are simming insane dps 26k - 30k dps with same ilvl.

...just curious

signal summit
#

go to raid bots and then gear compare

woven summit
#

Guys how come when i sim everytime I sim I have different stat weights even though I'm not changing anything in gear, gems and enchants?

hollow stone
#

@signal summit depends how hard you wanna go. Bote is one of the best essences you can get right now due to time gating on a bunch of the others. Idk if it will stay as a bis essence or not

warm cave
#

Magic. If you truly aren't changing anything your stat weights should change by maybe a couple hundredths at most. The best way to sim is Top Gear of course.

novel seal
#

i see a lot of outlaws in M+ leaderboards. can sin compete ?

strange python
#

Yes

novel seal
#

with EB/SS ?

woven summit
#

I don't know Kaast. One time i got crit prio, then mastery

novel seal
#

or DD

vapid scarab
#

you don't use DD in m+

novel seal
#

seems kinda annoying to keep switching traits

#

until you can get 2 sets of armors

warm cave
#

@woven summit like by how many points is it swinging. Can you post a link to 2 of your reports?

wild edge
#

someone has experience with vision of perfection?

dim wyvern
#

which pots do we use now?

celest swan
#

it feels more valuable for a rogue to buy 5x 430 random azerite item isntead of 1x 445

#

esp if u raid and m+ or am i msitkaen here?

warm cave
#

Personally I'm probably going to play with what I get out of the raid while I save Residuum to buy specific pieces I need.

#

Like once I'm down to my last slot, I might gamble until I get it but we will see.

#

It all really depends. We're still so early in the tier things could change. Traits might get buffed/nerfed.

celest swan
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i dont ahve the patience for that. last tier the rogue wasnt my main jsut alt

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so i got a bunch auf "heroic" azerite from gambling and it felt really good

warm cave
#

is it your main now? What content are you doing?

celest swan
#

~world 600

warm cave
#

Yeah I had some great luck last tier too.

celest swan
#

and some m+20 keys intime last season

warm cave
#

If the rogue is your main now, go with your preference. If you are that high up are you running splits? Can people funnel you residuum?

celest swan
#

nope

#

we dont split on world 600 lul^^

warm cave
#

I'd say its preference.

celest swan
#

i woudlb etitlet if i roll mythic item fรผr 47500 and get like gargabe

subtle aurora
#

Btw guys I finally looted my m+ essence. Turns out you gotta time it for it to drop

sullen pagoda
#

saving is really bad idea when u calculate the chances of getting good pieces and amount needed for specific @warm cave

warm cave
#

correct its a gamble. If you get the wrong piece its a huge waste, even if its 445

sullen pagoda
#

its not huge waste

celest swan
#

hope for behemoth chest in bonsuroll for m+ lul

#

nah tbh i wont go fpr saving specific item early

#

but i praobly go like 4-6 heroic items

#

befor ei go for random mythic

ruby idol
#

Im also buying hella 430s before i start fishing 445s this season

#

I was so broke from experimenting with different builds last season. Shits a nightmare

warm cave
#

I dont see how if you gamble, get the worst possible piece that its not a waste at 445

celest swan
#

its maybe not that good for raid bu i enjoy a bunch of acitivities

warm cave
#

Thats also a factor Jonas

celest swan
#
  • i like "perfect" traits
warm cave
#

Same, thats almost why I prefer to save. But it really depends

vapid scarab
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because in the time that you could buy 1 specific you could buy 4 randoms

celest swan
#

bad traits taht sjut sim higher casue it 445 fells bad aswell ๐Ÿ˜„

vapid scarab
#

it's a huge waste to only save for specific, especially early on

warm cave
#

What if you get 4 bad randoms, thats my only point guys

vapid scarab
#

the chances of that happening are very small

#

and at that point you still have a full set of 445 +1 extra

warm cave
#

Thats my only point guys, the risk vs reward is very high

sullen pagoda
#

if you go by saving for specific it takes what almost whole tier for getting 3 pieces and at that point your "perfect" azerites are completely worthless

#

its not very high its very low

vapid scarab
#

like, if you have 4 pieces, you're going to have at least 1-2 for ST and for AoE

#

you save so much time buying random

sullen pagoda
#

yea especially since we are in assassination channel which has like 4 different azerite setups you can run @vapid scarab

vapid scarab
#

the chances you're random piece is bad for both setups is incredibly small

warm cave
#

the chance remains is all I'm saying guys lol

dark crag
#

Also if you play sub and outlaw too you can only win with random

vapid scarab
#

there is 0 reason not to take that chance

sullen pagoda
#

the specific price is just way too high

short token
#

Are there any guides for openers depending on which essences youโ€™re using?

solar rose
#

Going for heroic pieces isn't a bad idea, especially if you are getting into the range of being 57-60 where you get the +5. 10 item level differences for more chances at perfect traits is way more consistent, however if you plan on doing heroic feed runs(most aren't) earlier on into progression, it's probably worth to keep doing mythic pieces. Buying specific pieces is almost never worth it

raw plover
#

!essence

prisma monolithBOT
wraith tinsel
#

Are you changing the opener with the revered red punchcard? Or do you delay it until after lucid?

tepid ridge
#

you will get decent heroic pieces from raid anyway if you keep clearing it so

#

it's way better to gamble 445 imo

solar rose
wraith tinsel
#

oh ty

fair otter
#

I wondered that as well with the 20 second cooldown do you still Garrote, Mut, Rupt Cyclone, etc or use the Lurkers instead for the openner and use the Cyclone after the 20 seconds

warm cave
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Drew go look in the TC channels, someone updated it there for the next build of simcraft or raidbots or something

fair otter
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Oooo nice

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they hadn't updated last time I looked

solar rose
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use lurkers in the opener and you can squeeze cyclone in before 3rd TB

warm cave
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yep just updated this morning it looks like

fair otter
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Thank you Flawless

lone mirage
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Hi guys i find my dps is low in mm+ , sin rogue is okay for this?

scenic saffron
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we still use focused resolve right ?

solar rose
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Unbridled is slightly ahead for me

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There's a lot that goes into that question, generally sin rogue damage is good in M+, but really depends on the traits you're playing, how your group is pulling, what level keys they are.

scenic saffron
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Can I just do quick sim with different potions to compare them

cosmic pier
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yes

open reef
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!Essence

prisma monolithBOT
lone mirage
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Fawless i ve two suffocation traits , i need 3?

short jacinth
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A mix of ss/ttk/eb is generally what most sin players do in M+

lone mirage
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Ok i am around 22k for 410 ilvl

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In low key for the moment

lost sentinel
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can raidbot's droptimizer sim benthic gear with gemslots?

cobalt pelican
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a gem s lot is worth the exact same on every piece of gear

untold current
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What am I simming for a generic add fight in palace? Looking to create an SS profile if needed. 3 bosses?

cobalt pelican
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like it'd be useful if you were planning against current gar but

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that shouldn't be your goal with benthic

lost sentinel
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well there is the fact my current gear has gemslots

frank escarp
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yo ppl, garrote rupture garrote or garrote garrote rupture on opener?

uncut nova
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I do garrote garrote rupture.

cobalt pelican
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it's in the guide

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and it's garrote rupture garrote

devout gazelle
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Any suggestions guys how to use Ashvane Trinket efficient?

proud needle
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Agi pot or fury pot ?

lost sentinel
cosmic pier
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have you simmed MA and DD setup on your gear? surely it would peform better

lost sentinel
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about to

spiral blade
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Haste is significant'y reduced because of the lucid minor, energy regeneration is less important because pooling is less of a factor with the change to instantly regen energy. From my set up it appeared that 45% mastery was my goal and to push crit I think rtoughly to 30%

cosmic pier
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are you revered with rustbolt yet?

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should grab cyclotronic of you are

solar rose
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fury was about a ~300 dps increase for me, agility was still a loss on pure single target

proud needle
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Same

spiral blade
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To be fair I was still rocking a 400 loaded at the time too lol

cosmic pier
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you need to fine tune gems/enchants but already its a big leap

lost sentinel
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yeah, I just ran a MA/DD sim and got similar results except forgot about changing gems off haste

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also the new weapon enchant, interesting

cosmic pier
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its all rough, you just have to run sims with different gems/enchants to find the right balance for your gear

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also grab cyclotronic, big increase

dim yacht
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when using the navigation wepaon enchantments, does it matter which enchant is on which weapon, or does it work out the same?

cosmic pier
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no

dim yacht
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thank you

cosmic pier
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either is fine

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just consider what you you put on each weapon if you use your best dagger for outlaw

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for example, i put force multiplier on my biggest dagger so i can use it for outlaw without swapping each time

stark oxide
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yeah same, big brain strats

dim yacht
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is navigation not better than multiplier for sin?

strange python
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god damn 190k just to craft the first jc ring

void gazelle
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Force multiplier weapon enchant is good for assa?

cosmic pier
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sim it, but force is pretty good

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youll probs use force+ best nav for your gear

strange python
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31k dps oh no no PepeLaugh

cosmic pier
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turns out agi+secondary proc is pretty good when sin stat weights are pretty close

dim yacht
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mmm that makes sense

lost sentinel
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I must have missed that cyclotronic card, I'll get that asap

cosmic pier
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yeah, check the pin in #wow-general to make sure you use it properly

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usually 35-45 secs in depending on lust andf other factors

lost sentinel
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k ty

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the pin makes sense

upper quiver
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What is the bis benthic gear for sin rogues? just found out they outsimmed 445 gear

strange python
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@cosmic pier my sim uses it 17 seconds in

cosmic pier
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hmm weird

cobalt pelican
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it's just lucid vs no lucid

cosmic pier
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ah yeah

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duh

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fuck farming blood lmao

strange python
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yea i got 20k honor in and couldnt do it anymore

spiral blade
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Got rank 2 fast.. and rank 3 can go fuck itself

cosmic pier
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BGs are almost as braindead as warfronts

strange python
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its simply not good enough to lose my sanity

cosmic pier
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actual garbage content

fringe epoch
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do rbgs count towards it?

queen tiger
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Is the trinket for Radiance boss any good?

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from*

cosmic pier
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wish i could get blood in arenas

strange python
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^

cosmic pier
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but this is the new blizzard era, no skill allowed lul

dim yacht
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i know the pain of farming it

cosmic pier
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beating other rogue in my raid when he has 430 dagger and boots, actually so tilting

dim yacht
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got 50k on week 1

solar rose
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it wasn't that bad if you farmed it in a 5 man premade grp

crisp steppe
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so theres no skill allowed but you beat the rogue with better gear @cosmic pier ?

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I do get the point tho

solar rose
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grinding 57-59 in islands was way more mind numbing

cosmic pier
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*no skill in loot

untold current
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Have you done merc mode with ally? Lose every game

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Literally 200 honor a game

solar rose
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we pretty much q'd ally the entire time, but like I said we had a 5 man premade

cosmic pier
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could you just afk the BGs?

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and use a mouse jiggler?

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moral reasons aside

vapid scarab
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you get less honor from not participating so

untold current
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5 man premade is the dream

native fable
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!essence

prisma monolithBOT
vast forum
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Bgs are more fun if you're good so i get your problem, malsam PepeLaugh

cosmic pier
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i just hate pvp that isnt arenas

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so i was never going to want to do that grind

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thank god lucid is good

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i love the opener with it

rich wren
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Lucid is nice

vestal wren
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random bg's are always fun if you like pepeclown fiestas

rich wren
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I need to get honor badly but soon it won't matter. At all

modest kestrel
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when i should use ashvane trink?

woven summit
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Yo, what stat benefits the most from lucid?

cosmic pier
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like what becomes your stat weights with it?

woven summit
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well it says crit

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but when i put some crit and sim again it says crit is shit

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so guess mastery ๐Ÿ˜„

cosmic pier
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yeah crit and mastery are good with it because it gives you all the energy you need for vendetta windows

woven summit
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I see

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need a fine ballance between both

cosmic pier
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and thats where a large chunk of you damage is

woven summit
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it also sims haste closer than before

strange python
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R3 BotE and crit stacking has a really busted opener

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Around 80k

cosmic pier
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yeah you just need to fine tune your gear to have just enough haste to be functional

woven summit
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How much haste do you have with it?

cosmic pier
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lemma check

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although is entirely dpeends on your gear

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especially how many OP traits you have

blazing matrix
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has anyone tried the other pots , different from agility ones? and are any of them better?

prisma cypress
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didn't the crit one get nerfed?

cosmic pier
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you can see how close all the secondaries are

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its a bit of a balancing act atm

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just try a bunch of different rings with sockets, and sim all the gems/enchants if you can

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but i dont have goraks

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so it probs look different if i did

obsidian mountain
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there is a macro for vendetta/ sized?

woven summit
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Nice, seems perfectly optimized

cosmic pier
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no because you shouldnt use them together

stable yarrow
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wut is sized?

cosmic pier
obsidian mountain
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pocket-size

stable yarrow
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o

umbral scaffold
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What potion do u guys prefer to use for pure ST?

prisma cypress
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which benthic pieces are worth upgrading and using? are any of their special effects very valuable?

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are the pinned ones in any particular order

cosmic pier
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boots best

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socket or bust

prisma cypress
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ok good

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thanks

distant lava
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boots -> wrists -> belt

blazing matrix
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leatherworking boots tho

cosmic pier
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?

distant lava
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they are worse

stable yarrow
prisma cypress
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bought the boots last night so bracers next ๐Ÿ‘

distant lava
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than the benthics dogeKek

blazing matrix
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not worse if u cant get socket boots ;>

prisma cypress
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socket isn't that rare, is it?

cosmic pier
red plaza
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Plus there is stuff outside of raids that the lw boots will b good for

stable yarrow
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oof

cosmic pier
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in fairness ive had plenty of pairs with socket, just not the crit boots lmao

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kill me peophammer

blazing matrix
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same

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so i just went for belt / wrist / hands and leatherworking stuff

prisma cypress
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i bought 4 pairs of boots last night, all 4 pairs were the crit boots, and the 4th pair was socketed. don't feel bad though im still using 400 daggers

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400!

blazing matrix
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i am still with 405 azerite head so i feel u

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and i also have 400 dagger

cosmic pier
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it just shits me that something so good is behind such garbage rng

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just like how I never got goraks all of last tier ๐Ÿ˜ƒ

scarlet sequoia
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how are u gonna have a 400 dagger

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get 500 conquest rofl

prisma cypress
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last time i pvp'd was in season 4 of TBC

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im too old now

scarlet sequoia
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you dont really have to pvp at all

cosmic pier
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just do Pepega pvp content

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do the call to arms and shit

scarlet sequoia
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loot a war supply chest, kill an assassin, do incursion, do nazjatar pvp event

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afk in an epic bg till you win

blazing matrix
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its socketed so

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i cant switch it with 415 for example it sims worse

scarlet sequoia
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ah thought u had 400 mainhand

rapid aurora
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whats the benthics belt should i look for

solid nova
rigid mango
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Abberation damage is good for 2 bosses, the one that deals damage and gainst threat is aight

mental obsidian
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do you use fury then stealth?

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the pre pot i mean

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cause it puts you out of stealth

burnt parcel
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Hey guys, im levelling a rogue and actually im lvl 30. I wonder, if we have some aoe skills? Or talent?

rigid mango
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No, not really

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Sin is probably the worst spec to level as

burnt parcel
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So i must just dot everything?

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Even Sub is better?

rigid mango
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Yes

vestal wren
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level experience is terrible w/e

blazing matrix
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is the crit potion viable?

long hill
vestal wren
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yes as of 8.2 you are able to craft it (the potion)

magic thorn
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Can someone tell me what is wrong with shadowstep in the new raid ?

cosmic pier
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wanna elaborate on that?

long hill
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Just use it on radiance

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For giant jump

vestal wren
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you always get to the same point

magic thorn
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i can perma use it on the fish, is this intended ?

long hill
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Mhm

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I dont think so

cosmic pier
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you mean it doesnt have a cooldown or something?

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dont know what you mean exactly

magic thorn
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yeah didnt had cd

cosmic pier
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got a log?

hollow stone
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@mental obsidian if it breaks stealth still. Just macro /use unbridled fury potion /cast stealth

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And youre set

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Like the good ol days or rogue prepottibg

magic thorn
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i can link you a log after raid is over. we upload logs after raid

granite rampart
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Iโ€™ve had it have no cd on radiance too

solemn meadow
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Does anyone know

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why our Hulk at Heroic Azshara always gets immune?

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Does slow make it immune aswell?

cosmic pier
granite rampart
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no, slows are ok, but I know roots do, and that includes warrior charge if you have someone charging to it.

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otherwise you have more than one person stunning it

clever mural
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Seems like kidney shot not working for full duration

harsh sphinx
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In our raid they asked me to take off crippling. Seemed like 50/50 if he would come out of stun early

clever mural
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Other stuns works fine

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We checked log and my kidney was alone CC and imideatly he become infuriated

burnt parcel
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So, for levelling, wich spec should i use?

cosmic pier
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outlaw probs your best bet

granite rampart
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it was happening a few times on our pulls too, but with a hoj, more than likely a big, but not fight breaking.

woeful minnow
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people have been complaining about kidney breaking after 1s in here

cosmic pier
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but theyre all shit until you get aoe

woeful minnow
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it seems to be a common thing

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hoj works perfectly though

harsh sphinx
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Ya kidney seems to be no good. Thought prey on the weak would be good for it but kidney always breaks compared to hoj only sometimes. We went through the logs but couldn't figure it out

solemn meadow
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I know that he gets immune after a second stun

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but we have 1 rogue doing kidney

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but he gets immune instantly

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and even if our hunter stuns it

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it gets immune instantly aswell

ancient ingot
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gonna hoj then ty guys

lost sentinel
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can you use multiple reroll tokens on 1 boss in the same week?

drifting cloud
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yes

lost sentinel
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sweet... I really need to upgrade dagger

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I still have 400 daggers, never got lucky off M opulence, or the hundred M+ end of dungeon chests, or the weekly chest

modest badge
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can I macro memory of lucid dreams with vendetta and trinket? doesnt seem to work when its not first on the list but then vendetta doesnt go off

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so i cant just use one button to pop everything?

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dats a bummer >;(

lost sentinel
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I don't think you want to pop lucid and vendetta same time

acoustic atlas
#

that feeling when you sim for 30 minutes under Dslice

slender urchin
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How do I change potion on raidbots

prisma cypress
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simulation options