assassination

[strange python]

no

i normally pot it after your first tb

you have liek 10 secs left on vendetta

you basically just use it when you need energy

[fair stag]

Okay that makes sense... thanks!

[stable plinth]

REEEE

[strange python]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[slender urchin]

How does the APL use Razor Coral? I got a 430 one but it's not a straightforward trinket

[unborn root]

I just got one too, but I'm not quite sure what the deal is yet.

[slender urchin]

I think I found it in the APL

It says use_item,name=ashvanes_razor_coral
Default Trinket usage: Use on cooldown.

[unborn root]

Might be a trinket that sims well, but in an impractical way

[cobalt pelican]

it's literally jused used every 20sec yea

it doesn't seem all that impractical really

it's just damage with some crit with a super flexible use timer

and it doesn't seem like the buff can overlap itself so

[near coyote]

IS the chest at the end of the week capped at 415 or will it be a 440 for plus 10?

[latent tendon]

Capped at 415

Just spam 6s for the best loot next week

[vestal carbon]

what are we using for ST?

blood of the enemy rank 3? focusing iris rank 2? memory of lucid dreams rank 2?

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[unborn root]

I just used ashvane trink and I only got 1 proc in a 6 minute fight

[cobalt pelican]

sim profile has 27 procs on a 5 min pull so uh

are you logging

[unborn root]

private log

[true pelican]

did you double activate it too early every time or something

[dire spoke]

you will get S3 rewards with mythic opening

oh my chat didnt scroll

[whole ginkgo]

Is everyone else on MA ST build getting shoved towards mastery everything on sims?

because crit=energy and haste = energy, lucid dreams means mastery stack?

[cobalt pelican]

i don't think it's possible to use it too soon considering it has a 20sec cd and you press it basically when it's up

[true pelican]

oh the cd works like that ok, thought the cd was only for the 2nd part

[cobalt pelican]

it might be, i'm a dirty european and don't get to have fun yet

[true pelican]

same

[cobalt pelican]

i'd imagine it'd put the initial use on cd though

[sharp lily]

Anyone else see that ShadowStep is bugged on Radiance?

No CD and takes you to a static spot in the room

[unborn root]

I was using step on my allies so i didnt have to move

megalul

Also hello Geoff, you're on my server

[sharp lily]

Oh hey Kaz

[vapid scarab]

felt super fucking good on queen's court

[vestal carbon]

is there a reason, why simcraft tells me to put my 415 dagger in offhand and my 405 socket in my main hand?

[cobalt pelican]

are you sure you have both selected

in both hands

[vestal carbon]

yea i do

[cobalt pelican]

and if so, can you link the sim

[vestal carbon]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tpPHhLLoM1jAKasHfw7iuE

[vestal carbon]

oops lmfao

[white basalt]

jsut got condensed life force boys!

[cobalt pelican]

congrat

[unborn root]

Lucid out performs Life force until rank 3, right?

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/essences/1t-t23-assassination

that's what hero daamge says

[cobalt pelican]

the spike on rank 3 lifeforce is pretty big

[white basalt]

depends. its kinda hard to use the lucid active to max efficiency

esp on prog

iits very hard not to cap

[rapid aurora]

hey guys i just drop dribbling inkpod trinket 430 ilvl what do you think about that trink?

[cobalt pelican]

it's got dribbling in the name so it's funny so i like it

[latent tendon]

i know i'm missing a minor slot

and my weapons are kinda garbage

but should i be simming this low ?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fB14fcKSSXT6GceLfuN2tz

relatively speaking compared to the 35k sims linked earlier

[cinder nymph]

Is Dribbling Inkpod simming correctly?

[cobalt pelican]

it's not really a matter of should you as much as why are you

[rapid aurora]

idk i cant sim rn

[cobalt pelican]

which would be, like you said, minor, weps, chestpiece blows butts

[rapid aurora]

dribbling isnt on bloodmallet

[cobalt pelican]

lack of gem slots that most people have from tier raiding for an entire tier

lacking benthic pieces, etc

seems pretty normal for your gear, lots of easily obtainable large upgrades that will spike the number quite a bit

[latent tendon]

hmm alright ^^

[woeful minnow]

is essence of the focusing iris really as ridiculous for m+ as herodamage makes it out to be

[carmine valve]

Quick question. Are there any crafted gear that stands out for us? Alchemy trinket has socket but seems low value on herodmg.

[rough agate]

my plumage 400 and punchcard trink are better than my 415 coral i just got D:

[vocal lion]

best enchant for weapon?

[sharp lily]

@carmine valve Most of the crafted gear can be good nothing too special. @vocal lion Sim yourself

[solar abyss]

Can any1 give me the quick TLDR where you use Lucid dreams in rotation

[light kestrel]

Is the phial of arcane tempest any good?

[shy dust]

sim it

[warm ibex]

@solar abyss after first TB window when you’re below 50 energy, ideally... then on CD so long as you’re under 50 energy

[arctic walrus]

@woeful minnow it's really good m+

[plucky stream]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[drowsy island]

so the new essence from mecha doesnt seem all that good i had it barely proccing all raid night

[astral tangle]

Why are our azerite pieces this bad?

[latent reef]

blizz hates eogues

rogues*

[robust ivy]

anyone know the best way to use the ashvane coral trinket?

[jovial vault]

the azshara trinket any idea how to use it properly?

[austere ruin]

is there a list for top tier trinket yet?

[civic palm]

Same place as everything else - https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/

[astral tangle]

Chest off blackwater is garbage

[stark oxide]

the chests are pretty garbage in general

thats wher eim spending residuum first

[strange python]

why do people like the engi helm when the 2nd ring traits aren't that good

unless i'm missing something

which is the best ST trait on second ring

is it just nice to be able to get a high ilvl fast

ah the gizmo is decent i guess

[fresh heron]

So when I do best top gear it tells me basically to stack crit and my haste ends up being dogshit, thoughts?

[small aurora]

for st or m+? @fresh heron

[strange python]

it's just dynamic so you're getting too much crit

[fresh heron]

st

[strange python]

adjust a little at a time and keep simming

see what it's telling you

[fresh heron]

I always build for st

[small aurora]

I would do what maka says if I felt it was pushing me out of line

[fresh heron]

I mean, i kinda am im trading out one piece at a time and it still is just like LOL CRIT GO

[small aurora]

do you have a lot of overwhleming power on your gear?

[fresh heron]

X2

[unreal perch]

so, as a noob; how do you change your vanish windows and everything with master assassin

[small aurora]

that is a big factor, it will give you a large chunk of haste over the portion of the fight

[fresh heron]

but my base haste is 13% with the changes it wants me to make.

[empty hatch]

Hey lads. so simmed myself and id just like some clarification as to why rank 3 BotE comes out on top over rank 3 Lucid. I can see our best is condensed, followed by lucid, then a big drop down to BotE, however I'm simming higher with BotE as major. Is it because it synergises nicely with the new pot, or is there something else I'm missing?

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/osG3CRLfmMotM8rmecZeok

[fresh heron]

i just feel so energy starved.

[ornate meteor]

Im sitting at 12% haste

[fresh heron]

hows it feeling for you @ornate meteor ?

[ornate meteor]

And it told me to keep stack crit and mast then haste

[vernal mauve]

So if i have a choice between scent of blood and echoing blades which one should i take?

[ornate meteor]

Just so so bcos im using lucid

[drifting cloud]

@empty hatch because its so good as a minor, its not better as major than bote but you have no other minor thats close to lucid

[small aurora]

Echo in m+

[fresh heron]

scent imo

for normal play

[strange python]

is the mechagon essence simming properly after nerf?

what do we need to do to unlock rank 2 of our crafted gear btw

does it take more pearls or anything?

we don't have to upgrade the bench even more do we

[empty hatch]

@drifting cloud Thanks mate

[unreal perch]

you have to upgrade the bench like twice

[strange python]

jesus

[unreal perch]

first is pearls, second is something from the raid? I think?

[strange python]

yea

[vapid scarab]

lucid major felt kinda bad on several

mostly queen's court and zaqul where i was multidotting the fuck out of everything

too much energy

[unreal perch]

think it's worth running something else major on those?

[strange python]

thank god it's something from the raid

[vapid scarab]

i was thinking about it

[unreal perch]

I mainly ask because those are the 2 fights I'm doing thursday lol

[vapid scarab]

queen's court just felt like a really good fight in general

[unreal perch]

also is it actually just 3 of the pieces for the essence per boss that drops?

[vapid scarab]

it's 9 per boss

[unreal perch]

err, is this heroic?

[vapid scarab]

or 7

[unreal perch]

because I downed Radiance and only got 3 lol

[vapid scarab]

im talking about heroic

[drifting cloud]

its different depending on difficulty

[unreal perch]

ok was double checking

either way, good to know that I'll get the essence if we get to and down azshara

here's hoping since we went 5/8 on the first night

[vapid scarab]

i mean r1 life force won't beat r3 or even r2 lucid

[unreal perch]

damn

1700 more until r3 lucid

[vapid scarab]

mrrl has an ominous tome today

[unreal perch]

ah crap that's right, I'll have to get that while I'm at work

is MA as straight forward as it seems?

[vapid scarab]

you do what it says in the guides

actually maybe deeper is the play on those bosses instead of swapping lucid

[unreal perch]

oh derp, didn't realize there was a guide that said stuff for MA

also feels bad man when you gotta actually get vers...

[spare flame]

Whats the word on heroic Azshara? Still no kill?

[chilly marsh]

6/8H tonight ... in dead tired

cleaign normal and heroic without stop...

azerite from thsi raid is so bad makes me cry... got 2 430 and dotn wanna use it

[upbeat wren]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[thick breach]

looking to improve greatly, came back to wow after a break so im not exactly looking at the best, considering no guild either https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tqVp2u6vgAkfHtVtyYjUHL

[lost horizon]

@thick breach gear up more, sims that low aren't really indicative of anything

and if you want to improve, just linking a blank sim won't really help, try posting some logs up so people can take a peek at what you're actually doing to try to help you improve it

[thick breach]

gotcha i was mostly curious if around this ilvl that was decent, i suppose getting around 10-15 ilvl more would be worthwhile

[astral tangle]

What's the best way to use coral?

[lost horizon]

even at a bit higher ilvl you're likely gonna be far behind most people at that same ilvl, since they've had the whole tier to get better gear

imo get out there and work on the new raid, benthic gear should help too

read through the guide if you haven't already to figure out the rotation

and if you find yourself underperforming or just wanna improve come back and post logs

[astral tangle]

Is there a Coral WA?

[acoustic atlas]

I couldn’t find one. Im sure you can make one really easy but I’m a wa noob.

[astral tangle]

I don't even know how

[austere wadi]

Anyone wanna give me a quick and dirty on ashvane trinket use?

Do I just let it stack up the bleeds on pull until second vendetta?

[acoustic atlas]

idk i was stacking it until my second vendetta then pressing again

or using it when i went downstairs on zaqul

[shy grove]

when u sim with worldvein does it just assume that you have the buff at 4 stacks???

[arctic walrus]

There's an option to pick how many available there are

[outer sand]

any1 use the Ashvane coral trinket yet?

how many stacks do we pop it at

[elder gulch]

is the goggles good for Assa?

[nimble tartan]

got 1 piece of loot on normal this means im about to pop off on heroic and get 455

[tawny shell]

Seems like is dominant

[arctic walrus]

Didn't even get a chance to clear on rogue tonight cuz splits

[hardy mural]

guys, i completed +12 Temple and upon opening end dungeon chest. it didnt contain any essence

is that how it supposed to work?

completed means depleted

[polar tapir]

US i take it?

and do u have any ranks of the essence already?

[hardy mural]

yes I'm from US, and no i dont have any essence yet

from the m+

[vapid scarab]

because the essence doesn't come from the weekly chest

you get r1 from completing a +4, and r2 from a +7

r3 comes from a currency from the weekly chest

[hardy mural]

i completed +12 (depleted) was hoping for a r1 essence honestly

but it didnt contain any

[vapid scarab]

because it has to be in time

[hardy mural]

oh i see, alright

thank you very much sir

[magic fossil]

Ashvane's Razor Coral guys i got one 430 today, anyone have an aura for this?

[civic palm]

over Compendium | Computer

no gem > _>

[rapid aurora]

i do have gems

[civic palm]

over Compendium | Computer+Laser

[stable plinth]

Anyone notice crit pot got nerfed?

[unreal perch]

did it?

[stable plinth]

Gives you 1% crit chance every 1 second

Used to be 4%

[hazy iron]

I don’t remember it being 4

But I’m currently over worked and have a tendency to forget stuff

[unreal perch]

I do remember it being 5 stacks for 20% or something like that

[hazy iron]

Ah fair

[icy ember]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tAEpPQUdT49abSegfxpUD8 here is a sim where im comparing rank 1 of condensed life force to lucid major/crucible minor

is it that far off?

[hollow moth]

r1 life force is bad, doesnt get good till r3

[icy ember]

ah gotcha

what makes it gud?

[hollow moth]

u get a haste buff or something idk

[unreal perch]

shame it's not better before r3

but ya 2% haste when it casts, up to 10%

[fallow otter]

sims accommodate changes to punchcard trinket already? including that it can crit?

[icy ember]

oh did they update the punchcard gems themselves? like 300haste was nerfed to 170

[fallow otter]

yep nerfed numbers on yellow cards

nerfed the on use for rusty rep

[icy ember]

it is still simming 500dps higher than any other trinket

[fallow otter]

but they made it be able to crit

[icy ember]

ye its SUPER strong when you have nothing else going

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/dkEEt8Bo4vA5oksQ2ygsmi

theres the sim of all my trinkets

[fallow otter]

yeh but thats my question, does raidbots have the changes... idont think so

[icy ember]

well if you head over to #tc-research they say that raidbots was updated

[fallow otter]

nice ty

seen the log, are they procing MA for trinket?

[icy ember]

wdym

[civic palm]

o _O

[strange python]

No

[rough agate]

the azshara trink, do you just hit it prior and then stealth, im a little confused as to how to hit it for pull

It breaks stealth so D:

[civic palm]

Does it trigger the shared 30CD on other on use trinkets?

[rough agate]

its putting punchcard on cd

[civic palm]

mmm, poop

[rough agate]

and its a 4 sec channel

[civic palm]

Well since you are using card and that's used VERY late.

What is a 4second channel punchcard or coral thing?

azshara*

sorry

[rough agate]

Azsharas font

[civic palm]

mmmmmmmmmmm

[unreal perch]

all use trinkets are supposed to put other use trinkets on a short CD

[civic palm]

Use it after Rupture.

Not all trinkets DO though.

garrote mut rupture FONT vend etc.

[rough agate]

so gar mut rup azsharas cds

[unreal perch]

I haven't really run into many that don't tbf

[rough agate]

ill check that out

[civic palm]

Then use Punchcard during the normal conditions.

[gaunt comet]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rough agate]

yeah

[civic palm]

Should be well off CD by then.

[rough agate]

wasnt worried about punchcard just when to hit azsharas

[civic palm]

IIRC the APL has Punchcard used @ 44 seconds into the encounter.

So using Font before 14 seconds means you won't be missing out on the optimized opener.

errr...

10 seconds

[opal meadow]

I just use punchcard when i'm pooling for energy

[civic palm]

I assume Font goes on CD after the 4 second channel.

[rough agate]

My sim has azsharas being used before pull but after stealth or something but still has MA

so i was like what..

[civic palm]

That works too frankly.

It's a 30 second duration afterall.

[rough agate]

er i mean stealth

[civic palm]

and since it doesn't need a target you can freely cast it before combat.

[rough agate]

but its breaking stealth on use

[civic palm]

Yeah I'd probably use it before combat, ezpz.

[white basalt]

easiest/best way to sim different essence combos? also, any way to sim something like lucid major w/ mastery gems vs life force major w/ haste sockets?

[rough agate]

that would be 4 sec channel>stealth >pot>open

[civic palm]

Yep.

[rough agate]

k

[civic palm]

Step is good.

Step is insane on Eel O _O

fucking wut

[rough agate]

aight that feels fine using prepull

thanks for reasoning it out with me

[somber otter]

1st day back in a while, are there softcaps to any of the secondary stats? or is it still sim yourself

[civic palm]

@rough agate 👍 That's mostly why I am here.

[unreal perch]

still sim yourself

[somber otter]

thx

[karmic kite]

is cyclo punchcard updated in sims now that it's affected by haste/crit?

[rain frigate]

Would someone be down to coach me in sin tomorrow ? Lmao

I know it just have certain questions about particular situations in a road fight

[opal meadow]

just ask here

[chilly marsh]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uP2B4NpDQibWNSR7dAmyFh

[rain frigate]

I want to but I’m on phone atm in the hospital lmao

[chilly marsh]

raid azerith stink bad

[rain frigate]

My characters name is Itachiikun 😊

[chilly marsh]

only 5k hp gain and same dmg +15 lvl

[rain frigate]

Dam that sin though

So lucid dream and blood of the enemy looking to be bis ?

[unreal perch]

the raid essence at rank 3

[chilly marsh]

until we have lvl 3 from raid yes

[strange python]

does anyone know why my top gear sim and my stat weight sim are so far off of eachother but nothing changes

[near oar]

so what are the potions prio?

[analog glade]

Crit pot > Agi pot again ?

[near oar]

well on st situations crit pot is porbably better, but what we use with cleave? thats my question

[opal meadow]

I dont get how the crit pot works

I used it on ashvane and my crit buff fell off

and there aren't any ads to cleave on ashvane

[marble tartan]

@near oar Potion of Empowered Proximity

for 4+ targets

[signal summit]

is the only way to get lucid r3 to do the 3 follower quests u get each day ?

or can u do it faster somehow

[marble tartan]

@near oar and for less multitarget action superior battle potion of agility

[near oar]

tyvm sir 😃

[rancid bobcat]

you can get stuff like ominous tome from mrrl and ancient reefwalker bark from coral ancients

and other turnins for exp

[nimble tartan]

Anyone else loving wow

[civic palm]

Raids good 👌

[nimble tartan]

Azshara is so laggy 😩

[unreal perch]

I can't wait to do the last 3 fights

[civic palm]

I don't think we had issues earlier, the area AROUND it was bad for sure.

[unreal perch]

and mechagon tomorrow

[arctic walrus]

What do I have to add to my simc string in order to sim rank 2 purifictaion?

[unreal perch]

god I hope mechagon drops me a dagger tomorrow...

[civic palm]

GL

[unreal perch]

danke

[civic palm]

No luck on dagger or axe for me 😐

[unreal perch]

first boss of raid didn't wana give me a dagger. or world boss. I doubt council will on thursday

[civic palm]

Course.

[unreal perch]

I was excited to see world boss drops a dagger... then I remembered it's a world boss lol

[marble tartan]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tvzou4pt7KhaKbmAGiuo46

haha got the trinket now looks like it works 😄

[white basalt]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[honest needle]

shroud of unmooning whispers is a bis piece right

has dd and NP

i got it from za'qul

[faint harness]

Yes

[austere ruin]

for new m+, what's the to go azerite?

[sharp viper]

is there new information from our NA friends about the mechagon rings? is there an internal CD?

[strange python]

the Jdopb information yesterday about the chest... is it confirmed?

[marble tartan]

what did he say?

[strange python]

waiting with open chest.. do first a 3 and a lvl 7 mythic then open .... or something like that

[inner citrus]

well if we do high m+ wouldnt mechagon items get outdated quite soon since its only 415

[faint harness]

It doesnt work asunis

[strange python]

❤

[faint harness]

Pets yea it would, just like old mythic 0s lost relevance

You would prob run mechagon for mounts

[strange python]

im glad thats not working.. so i hit 55 to hc today XD otherwise i had to wait and do some shit but no time

[past marten]

Offtopic, but people are active here: What's the confirmed titanforge max in M+/anywhere?

[drifting cloud]

455

[past marten]

And on-topic: Has anyone received the Aszhara trinket already and could confirm the strength that has been shown in the sims?

Also in first week?

I thought it was capped?

[vapid scarab]

base ilvl is capped but not tf

[vagrant urchin]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[rigid imp]

!guide

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Guide: http://www.ravenholdt.net/assassination-guide/

[rigid imp]

Hey guys! Is this guide updated? I am comming back to rogue and I want to know what is the best way to play it

[vestal wren]

wowhead guide has more details

[strange python]

wowhead says we dont need blood as essenze als top tier.. i make this mistake and now i dont have the job do do 1 week pvp do grap this shit

[carmine lynx]

is it normal for blood 3 to sim better than lucid 3 ? by like a 1k difference ?

[scarlet sequoia]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ZYZbifqFcg7mj7A9NWndd

would u guys use the punchcard trinket

if this is the sim

[shadow zealot]

is there a BIS list for new raid?

[rigid mango]

I wouldn't @scarlet sequoia

that small diff

[scarlet sequoia]

why?

[rigid mango]

Such a small diff, easier to use lurkers

[scarlet sequoia]

hm fk that i dont mind thinking a bit i like the trinket

[formal falcon]

is arcane heart any good whatsoever?

[frigid briar]

Anyone done queens court yet? The repeat performance mechanic, Trying to plan optimal dps without using mutilate twice in a row.

[rigid mango]

Detection?

[frigid briar]

Does that work?

[proven latch]

I just used fan when I needed to, or just are the silence

[rigid mango]

Idk, I've seen people theorize it working

You can check what people are doing on logs I suppose

[proven latch]

It's not that long

[frigid briar]

Yeah I thought about ignoring it. 2 seconds would pool energy

Or using lower CP finishers

[vapid scarab]

kick works

but honestly the silence is not that big of a deal in the first place

[frigid briar]

Im assuming it lines up with CDs at somepoint

[vapid scarab]

it triggers a lot less than you would think

[signal summit]

what benedict gear is best to upgrade for assa rogues?

[vapid scarab]

and when it does you can just use kick/distract

[prime merlin]

@signal summit

[signal summit]

s r y

[proven latch]

Ooo didn't even think to use distract

[deft nymph]

is that off gcd too?

[upbeat geode]

tricks should work too

but detect would be best to use if it works

[deft nymph]

detect?

[upbeat geode]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=56814/detection

This thing, costs no energy, got no cooldown

[deft nymph]

yeah found it

[austere ruin]

do I need to do a +10 this week to get a 440 on next reset in chest?

[deft nymph]

also seems to have a half-gcd

yes @austere ruin

[austere ruin]

thanks

[subtle sable]

bah is engi that bad for assasination (goggles)?

[deft nymph]

it's decent

[austere ruin]

also gear cap is 415 this week for M+?

[subtle sable]

seeing above someone simming 34k dps with 4 ilvls above me, and hte only major diff i can find is the AP traits

[deft nymph]

and since LW sucks and JC costs a fortune

@austere ruin yeah I believe it's a +5 or greater than drops 415 at end-of-run chest

[subtle sable]

guess we're very reliant on 3x double dose and shrouded + nothing personal

[rigid mango]

@deft nymph how does LW suck

[subtle sable]

sadly only have 1x on ea on my 420 pieces

[rigid mango]

We're bound to going either DD with MA or SS with sub

Sin is very trait heavy

[subtle sable]

MA?

[rigid mango]

Master assassin

[deft nymph]

@Zine well most people will want to wear benthic boots so it only gives pants

[rigid mango]

So socketed 440 pants are bad?

Also the feet might outsim the benthic ones?

[deft nymph]

compared to 2 socketed 440 pieces like some other armor specs

yeah

[rigid mango]

Odds are they also want one of the benthic pieces

[deft nymph]

pretty much every armor type wants the same benthics

and not all armor specs have crafted boots

[formal willow]

which benthic piece is the most important to get socketed first?

[rigid mango]

Feet > wrists

[serene sierra]

What is the best group kick tracker?

[teal geyser]

@deft nymph LW isnt that bad ... u need those boots at least for M+ ^^

[formal willow]

okay so the reefstrider footwraps and which wrists?

[subtle sable]

anyone know a good way to find which items have which AP traits? (incase im looking to"targetfarm")?

outside of wowhead and check them manually

[rigid mango]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[subtle sable]

❤

[rigid mango]

nvm

There's a better one in the pins

https://goo.gl/4udfQ4

[subtle sable]

ill check the ones in the pins, the wowhead article is just the one i checked through 😛

[rigid mango]

That's w out EP azerite though

[subtle sable]

it shows tratis but not specific if im going for 3x DD / SS / NP

[rigid mango]

There's another one pinned for EP

[vestal wren]

idk the wowhead recommendations are nice

[subtle sable]

imo its like meh

given this

[vestal wren]

^

[rigid mango]

That's BiS tho

[cobalt pelican]

those are the best ones

i'm LOST

[rigid mango]

Sup

[subtle sable]

thats BIS if you're going for MA i assume?

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[cobalt pelican]

or subterfuge on single target

[subtle sable]

is there even a point to subterfuge if you dont have SS tho?

[vestal wren]

iirc t24 profile even uses subterfuge

[cobalt pelican]

yeah i was interested in whether it's

[rigid mango]

No

[cobalt pelican]

because of the trinket usage

or because of stats

but i have no idea

[rigid mango]

any ss = sub, no ss = ma

[vestal wren]

subter/ma is close so both work (as always, sim)

[rigid mango]

generally

[spice surge]

Zine subt is closer with t24

[cobalt pelican]

gotta get your font of life charging PRONTO

[rigid mango]

Subt is even closer now?

[subtle sable]

if they're very close I'd pref going towards the one i enjoy the most :p

SS opener feels super smooth

[spice surge]

As nameless said, its possible its because of the azshara trinket since it seems scuffed

[cobalt pelican]

the subt opener won't be like

much different from the ma opener when you have no ss

so

[spice surge]

It goes garrote > trinket, regardless of what talent you have

But either way, its gonna be close enough for people to use their preference

[chilly dagger]

does nightly version of raidbots use nerfed Cyclonic Blast or it's not implemented yet?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[vestal wren]

its in raibots

[distant mist]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nDKZSscDMzgjgyUxB6xgv5

[subtle sable]

for those of you whos expirienced on rogue assa, given how trait reliant we are (and looking at stat weights) we generally dont take AP piece Ilvl upgrades (one tier) if it has the wron traits?

[distant mist]

and dont mind those gems. i havent regemed yet from my last one

[chilly dagger]

holy jesus

what is that

[cobalt pelican]

we're a pretty flexible class when it comes to traits really, but there's a lot of 'dead' traits

if a piece sucks it sucks

[subtle sable]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/9h774hEfpAGeXNMQRCMdES

Feel like i've messed up my pieces then by going for ilvl upgrades tho

[cobalt pelican]

you've not really messed up your gear, upgrading the benthic chest is questionable

there'll be a lot more damage you can get out of what you've got though

like, you have heed on your helmet, old gems and enchants, no 2nd essence etc

you have 0 pieces of benthic gear on that aren't the azerite which is like the opposite of what you want

[subtle sable]

stockpiled my pearls since i was uncertain on what to do with them. AP chest was simply to replace a old low one. Ill check out the guide for the updates on the enchants and what benthic gear we're aiming ofr

[blazing matrix]

how bad is the pocket trinket after nerfs?

[tame cobalt]

well the dungeon essence is for sure not brokenly good

[strange python]

looks realy bad

😄

[tame cobalt]

Not sure if stated anywhere but every tick can crit

[strange python]

Hi Guys what Essences we are using in Raid enviroment? Lucid and Condensed Life-Force?

[vestal wren]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[celest mirage]

hey. do you guys know the best place to use mecha red card (the one from revered) in your rotation/opener?

[vestal wren]

i pinned the use conditions for all specs in #wow-general

[celest mirage]

cool thanks

[faint harness]

so like

if you use crit pot

and bote

and use cyclotronic when both are up

its like 300k per use

[subtle sable]

!enchants

:c

[rigid mango]

Simming

[nimble tartan]

someone stole about 800 dps from my sims pepehands

[upbeat geode]

stole? isnt this the place where people add to your dps?

[solemn meadow]

hmm

simc is updated

only simming 36k now

but blood is bis for me atm

[long hill]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[faint harness]

@vestal wren can anyone that knows how to write APL try using cycloblast close to pull together with bote

i suspect that with bloodlust + bote that shit will pop off

[civic stag]

is pocket sized trinket with cyclotronic blast still a thing?

[faint harness]

1 use with bote

[civic stag]

thanks

[faint harness]

"only" 50% crit

yes its not a dead punchcard

[fair hill]

Sorry if this is a stupid question but is there something I am missing, I keep seeing people gem with anything but haste and I am lost.. Since when did haste gems vanish? What is with all these crit / mastery / vers gems all over the place on sin rogues? :/

[faint harness]

people are simming themselves

and get other stat weights

[fair hill]

And haste is no longer their top stat? damn

[vestal wren]

is cyclonic blast effected by bote, afaik its not

[faint harness]

it is

[vestal wren]

interessting

[tropic ocean]

it heavily depends on your other stats and essences @fair hill

[faint harness]

like at least the crit dmg is affected by bote

[tropic ocean]

for me versa is best mastery 2nd then crit then haste

[lethal magnet]

what is bote?

[faint harness]

and i assume the crit potion will also give benefit to cycloblast

[tropic ocean]

blood of the enemy

[faint harness]

so if you pop crit pot, bote + having BL on pull and use that fucking trinket

its gonna be 300k dmg

in like

1.5 sec

It might be bad cus you bank bote on just the trinket, but i cannot look past that kind of burst

[vestal wren]

can you link me your sim with bote and the trinket?

[faint harness]

sec

[solemn meadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tvyu85aZonYDdQpSyGg1CP

[faint harness]

but it wont use trinket during bote

in the sim

[vestal wren]

ye, thats fine

[jovial vault]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/jGq9d9MCTMfRBEdzFzdKjx

[solemn meadow]

ye I still need

the bracers

thats like 500 dps

missing

[tardy jay]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[waxen valve]

@jovial vault very well optimized gear. What the heck you got 3 socketed benthic at 410. I burned 200 pearls just to find boots :)

[jovial vault]

i have 5 alts i farmed pearls on @waxen valve

im still rolling for frost bracers

[waxen valve]

Good luck dude

[vestal wren]

doesent seem to be a win
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/fR64q4Q9kaByC4Z8M9MEJH

if you want to use it always together, the apl change is:
actions.cds+=/use_item,name=pocketsized_computation_device,if=buff.seething_rage.react

[faint harness]

rip

thanks for the attempt

[vestal wren]

i mean, its not terrible, so if you feel like its better go for it

[olive tulip]

some people suggest doing m+7 before opening weekly mythic chest, because of iris essence, what's the deal with that?

any idea?

[modest jasper]

It's not relevant, it doesn't work and never did.

[vestal wren]

ppl troll posted that everywhere, no reason to do so

thats btw. what we adviced, to not blindly trust in that stuff

[olive tulip]

I see, thanks for the info

[modest jasper]

You are saying just because someone says something on the internet and says it was said by an important person means I should not just trust that?

[warm void]

did you get the essence without doing it?

[modest jasper]

That sounds convoluted.

[faint harness]

fuu did you see the dmg per use on cyclotronic blast with that apl change

311 000

holy crappers

[vestal wren]

we go offtopic with that, but it wasnt even from jdotb iirc

oh ye it gains quite a bit from that

124k dpe (damage per execution) to 180k

[faint harness]

yep

so like on very short bosses i can see it being good

[peak musk]

does MA work with cyclotronic? 🤔

[faint harness]

aka m+

no

but blood of the enemy does

the "only" shit part about that for m+ is the fact that you have to use bote for it i guess

[peak musk]

hmpf, would be funny ... vanish -> NUKE 🌚

[vestal wren]

ma does not matter

it doesent affect the red card

[faint harness]

man i just explained this briefly to an spriest in my guild

he was full monkaS'ing

they leave voidform with 90% crit and a ton of haste

actually giga

[summer cape]

Vision of perfection trait. Does it proc nothing personal trait?

[faint harness]

yea

for 8 sec

but its not good

or like there are better major options

[summer cape]

Im using 3 NP traits tho

[faint harness]

same

[summer cape]

Dunno if blood or Lucid is better tho

[faint harness]

or well 2

this is why we have sims

[summer cape]

Ya

[solemn meadow]

till I get r3 raid essence

blood majo lucid minor is bis for me

[faint harness]

same

[strange python]

Hi guys,in mythic it's better master assassin or subterfuge?

[modest jasper]

Depends on your traits.

[summer cape]

SS trait makes Subterfuge better

DD Master assassin

in general

[winter moss]

take MA, get rid off SS traits, gucci for palace

no hectic cleave

[narrow lagoon]

hey

for court

are people keeping bleeds up on both

[coarse solar]

If you can reach both, but it's probably a DPS loss to run 20 yards each time you need to refresh

!Essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[simple meteor]

guys since now cyclone affected by bote when do we pop it on our opener?

[faint harness]

its a slight dps loss to play around the trinket

[cobalt pelican]

fuu posted a sim up there somewhere and the same spot as before seems best

ie after 1st tbed envenom

[faint harness]

a shorter fight it might be better

[tribal marlin]

Any idea why i lsot so many sim dps ?

did they nerf benthics ?

or something updated in the simc ?

[wide hedge]

they nerfed/hotfixed the red card, maybe you used that

they nerfed the yellow stat gains as well

[tribal marlin]

no it doesn't come from that

I simmed like 7hours earlier after they patched it on simc and I was at like 37.5k

[wide hedge]

i only have boots+wrist so I can safely say they did not nerf those 2 since my sim is the same as it was yesterday

[tribal marlin]

I also did the sim with another trinket and also lost a bunch

[wide hedge]

37,5k lul, i'm stuck at 35k and I don't know why

maybe my gear is just not optimal statwise^^

[cobalt pelican]

and no hotfixes on live

so idk what happened really

[faint harness]

double check ur gear

[cobalt pelican]

nah it's the exact same for me

[faint harness]

check stat weights

if they changed

idk

[cobalt pelican]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uMitg4sPuEBo1s7HrcaN9v + https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n3cAnNzQ7Vqyf3cKoTtUb3

last night, this morn

i didn't really check out too many things cause i'm just assuming it's either fixes in simc that aren't documented on the commit list (seems unlikely) or some other wonky stuff

[tribal marlin]

around the same dps lost for me

[cobalt pelican]

mikihisa said he checked without cyclotronic so it's nothing to do with that

[faint harness]

like just comparing the 2 sims

you're doing slightly less dmg on everything

🤷

[modest jasper]

Your ilvl shows differently on the 2 sims.

418 in one 419 in the other.

So something seemingly is different.

[tribal marlin]

benthic dmg are the same

same for trinkets

[cobalt pelican]

yea

the belt upgrade

is what caused the ilvl difference

i spent 25 pearls on vims

but that's the only difference i know of

[modest jasper]

Ah, I see.

[tribal marlin]

I have a clue about potion nerf

Need to do some more testes

[modest jasper]

Everything seems to do a tiny bit less dmg.

[marble tartan]

hey guys

[modest jasper]

Quite consistent across the board.

Like you lost 1-2% vers or sth.

[tribal marlin]

A potion nerf may presume we will change the way we use bote ...

[marble tartan]

is the trinket cyclonic blast empowered by vendetta

[faint harness]

nein

[cobalt pelican]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/commit/7fa099167d6d764fe7fa3ff24ef7d804b21fb784

[atomic saddle]

Apparently we are going Major Lucid Dreams and minor Worldvein?

[cobalt pelican]

seems to be this

i'd guess

which only got pushed 9 hours ago

[faint harness]

wow thats a big nerfo

[cobalt pelican]

yeah, 800 from a potion nerf is a

uhh

guess back to agi

or UNBRIDLED POWER

[faint harness]

@vestal wren how do we compare potions

[cobalt pelican]

just copy and change the potion string

or do it the lazy way

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tYdPrQ9Do4SHivC6EqPciR

[faint harness]

whats the lazy way

[cobalt pelican]

change it on quick sim in the dropdown

LOL

[faint harness]

so unbridled fury is better now

rip my 50 crit pots

[atomic saddle]

wow

[simple meteor]

wtf i bough 50 aswell last night

fuck me

[vestal wren]

@faint harness copy="name of potion" potion=name_of_potion

[simple meteor]

so now unbrindle fury is the best?

[faint harness]

simmer it

[tropic ocean]

focused iris very decent

[sullen sphinx]

Are we one of the specs that needs to farm the Benthic socket gear bc better than mythic gear?

Can’t find any info specifically for rogues

Sin*

[cobalt pelican]

pins in wow-general and here have the items desired

gamble responsibly children : )

[stable oxide]

Wait what potion do we use now for raids?

[cobalt pelican]

considering what the pots were like before i'd imagine unbridled > agi > crit on st

and proximity still being best if you can get it to function

but j ust check the sim on your own character

please use the nightly sim and not the weekly sim

and rerun them

[marble tartan]

kk

[strange python]

I have a question. So I have this item: https://www.wowhead.com/item=161418/deployable-vibro-enhancer&bonus=4798. And I have this Red Punchcard in my mecha trinket: https://ptr.wowhead.com/item=168912/subroutine-optimization. So when Sub-Opt procs, it steals from the rest of my stats and dumps them into my yellow punchcard ones (Mastery/Haste atm), and I have noticed that when DVE is used and Sub-Opt procs at the same time, my versatility goes down to the minus and it shows -29% vers and like 140% mastery and 42% haste. So is this a visual bug or am I actually losing damage with the minus Versa?

[cobalt pelican]

hahaha

that's a very niche question

probably best to test it yourself with white swing damage

[marble tartan]

superior https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6eKdn5RmudntUhmQ2Dbxx2
focused resolve https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/aQbHMejAtinb6W9LPP3LDz
unbridled Fury https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/u2oNfYitSC6YBbURhZtZsB

[simple meteor]

fury it is then

[faint harness]

keep it hush hush

im gonna try sell these pots

[marble tartan]

xD

[cobalt pelican]

i bought herbs and was gonna get an alch to make them at raid

god bless america

[modest jasper]

tfw still using potions of prolonged power.

[cobalt pelican]

interesting that focused still beats out agi on some chars though

[mental obsidian]

https://prnt.sc/od34fk

?

nej or yay?

[empty badge]

anyone know if warcraft logs are like broken

and goldkilla gotta sim

[tribal marlin]

Potion of focused resolve change the way we use BoTE

Imma do a quick tl:dr later on on tc-research

[mental obsidian]

im not sure how to sim these punchcards

[steep obsidian]

im pretty sure there is an option in raidbots

[mental obsidian]

gear compare

or

not seeing any in gear compare or top gear

[loud pine]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[loud pine]

memory of lucid dreams is better or the crucible of flame which one is better?

[ember rover]

What HeroDamage shows us is that BotE is 2nd BiS for Major slot.

Till you get the raid essence.

Minor slot is Lucid.

[past marten]

@loud pine

Did they fix the crit potion?

[loud pine]

is sim

[past marten]

For me, it's simming highest

[loud pine]

raidbot say me lucid memory dreams is better

[ember rover]

You're not reading it correctly.

[loud pine]

@ember rover y

[ember rover]

Raidbots says that Minor + Major of lucid is better than Minor + major of Blood of the Enemy.

The problem is, a lot of the DPS gain of Lucid is in its Minor.

[loud pine]

ah

[ember rover]

SO if you deduct Minor from that, you'll see that the major of BotE is better than major of Lucid.

[simple meteor]

with around 20% haste don't think you need lucid on major

[marble elm]

Go to raidbots top gear click all your essences

[loud pine]

@ember rover hmm y but i dont have Bote for now so i use lucid in major >?

[simple meteor]

but if you rly low on haste lucid major will be better for you

[ember rover]

BotE is 2nd BiS.

Only thing that does better is raid essence, hands down.

For major slot, that is.

[loud pine]

@simple meteor how much haste is cap now for BOTE?

[simple meteor]

there isn't a cap just sim it

[loud pine]

thx

[ember rover]

To put it into perspective, BotE Major + Minor is 2.8k DPS gain. BotE minor is 800 DPS, meaning major is around 2k DPS.

[simple meteor]

did anything changed in the apl about when to pop bote?

[ember rover]

Lucid Dreams Major + Minor is 3.4k DPS, while minor of that is 1.8k, so Lucid Major is 1.6k DPS.

General consensus is to use it to after MA has dropped.

So after Vanish + when MA expires.

[marble elm]

Pretty sure that was to avoid crit cap with crit potion

Using it after vanish without critnpotion seems pretty 4head

[simple meteor]

so it's a dps los popping it with MA for the crit dmg?

[lethal magnet]

major slot still gives both minor + major, so the question really is what is better (major + minor lucid) + (something minor) OR (minor lucid) + (bote or raid major + minor), right now the best should be lucid major and island expeditions minor assuming ppl stack

[ember rover]

@lethal magnet I just answered your query above.

Lucid Major is 1.6k DPS, BotE major is 2k DPS.

[simple meteor]

fuck it ill just keep poping it with MA for the juice crit dmg

[clever ivy]

Is it worth dropping good 2nd stats for okayish 2nd stats in a yellow punchcard to push the trinkets dmg? didnt find anything about it yet but i guess i missed some discussion about it here .. edit: for about 5ilvl

[peak tapir]

best enchant?

[sick cradle]

I didn't see the conclusion to the discussion yesterday, how is cyclotronic blast now after nerf? It's a pain to sim without actually having it

[ember rover]

It's utter shit, after nerf.

[untold current]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sxVybrjA9hWrGJDGr4Cxwm

Telling me lucid major with worldvein minor

[rigid mango]

Worldvein is awesome so

[ember rover]

Worldvein is good if you can actually have people to use it with.

[untold current]

Over bote, maybe bc I dont have rank 3?

[rigid mango]

Also

Cyclonic isn't garbage?

[ember rover]

I mean, you don't do anything for 5s while it casts, you overcap energy 100% of times.

[modest jasper]

Yes and it's still strong.

[rigid mango]

^

[modest jasper]

It's far from "utter shit".

[rigid mango]

Dont say it's garabge

ty vm

[ember rover]

I mean.

[strange python]

It sims very well and fits in fairly well during energy starve period on my setup

[rigid mango]

Comparing to trinks that are raid bound or insane ttf's

[untold current]

U think rank 3 bote would push it ahead of lucid for major?

in my sim

[sick cradle]

where is even kimbul on that chart?

[ember rover]

way up above.

WHich is my point.

[sick cradle]

Isn't lurker top anymore?

[ember rover]

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/trinkets/1t-t23-assassination

[rigid mango]

Azshara's better

[sick cradle]

yeah, I feel iffy about that trinket though
I recognize that it's strong and I will use it, but a 4 second channel meh

[ember rover]

You have to understand, 5s of no autoattacks, 5s of no poison procs, 5s of nothing during the usage of Cyclotronic.

After the nerf, it's garbage.

[rigid mango]

It's really not.

[royal lantern]

does detection work for the decree now or not my na pals?

[rigid mango]

It's ok.

[ember rover]

I mean, sims say it is, but I guess they don't know that good.

[royal lantern]

kk

[sick cradle]

I just simmed it and it sims higher than my 415 kimbul 😮

[rigid mango]

[strange python]

Simcraft >Feelcraft The trinket is still good. Just not mandatory.

[rigid mango]

Simming>herodamage

I've seen sims post nerf saying it's still an aight trinket

[sick cradle]

btw, is it worth using both azshara and ashvane trinket? Since they're both on use

[rigid mango]

Unsure yet

[sick cradle]

Alright, guess I'll do a sim before raid tonight so I can figure out where to bonus roll

[cobalt pelican]

tgat's what the raid profile is using on simc so

i imagine at worst it's

okay

[clever ivy]

thanks for all the answers regarding the trinket

[mighty elm]

anyone know ontop of their head how good BOTE major and vision of perfection minor ? seems to be good as the CDs would synergise better, just cba simmin atm

[strange python]

hero damage azerite powers just add to my confusion coming back to the cyclo discussion vs. sims. Exasanguinate should be simming higher for me with 2 SS but its a loss compared to TB

[rigid mango]

Herodamage isn't always correct, you're better of simming

Or you can believe blindly in herodamage and trust nothing goes wrong, works for some also

[strange python]

Rather trust the numbers specific to me

[upbeat geode]

Is it worth to upgrade crit boots without a socket at some point? i dont have much time to farm pearls on my alts and mythic week is getting closer.

[atomic hamlet]

where do you guys fit the cyclotronic in the opener ? it feels clunky although it did a good amount of dmg ?

[untold current]

check pins wow-general

[atomic hamlet]

thanks

[naive ridge]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[simple meteor]

guys anything changed in the apl for bote?

[prisma beacon]

.

[robust owl]

I have a question about the Cyclotronic blast trinket. According to sims it's a large upgrade, but when do I use it? Just on cooldown?

[prisma beacon]

when u drop below 70 energy and u have no tb up (as far as i know)

[molten mirage]

what pre pot is our go to now for raiding?

[marble hemlock]

keep in mind that herodamage also has a 404 cyclo blast

[molten mirage]

is focused resolve still worth?

[marble hemlock]

when the trinket is usually going to be 412-415 at this point, and teh on-use scales incredibly well with ilvl

[robust owl]

Thanks

[strange python]

guys which combo major/minor essence is the best lucid+CoF or lucid+blood for raid

[rigid mango]

Simming.

[strange python]

thats it, idk how i can sim it :D

[rigid mango]

Raidbots

[strange python]

y

[rigid mango]

There's a drop down with essences

[ionic magnet]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[ember rover]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vcKt2gWzAcc6rvybL5Sg2i

Had to sim some other dude since I`m not at home.

But looks like the Cyclotronic aint that great.

[marble elm]

It is good

Maybe your trinkets are better

But that doesn’t make it bad

[simple meteor]

yeah more ilvl on card it's gonna scale alot better

laterzz

[ember rover]

I simmed 415 cylcotronic with 415 Haste + Mastery Yellow.

[rigid mango]

I've seen it being better and it being worse, imagine if sims aren't always the exact same

[simple meteor]

i loved the old version much more fun = indie small company fixes it

[rigid mango]

I prefer not having a bis trinket that slightly disobeys trinket rules coming from rep

[ember rover]

I loved Cyclotronic, so much so that I considered swapping to Outlul for it.

But it just doesn't cut it after the nerf.

[simple meteor]

yeah fu that after nerf we gonna get soon raid one which is enough 4 sec cast for me

[sturdy dust]

Has anyone had a chance to sim the essence that drops from King Mechagon?

[rigid mango]

Vision? Sucks.

[sturdy dust]

That's what I suspected. Maybe at rank 3 it will suck less

[timid wedge]

On raidbots the “overclock Red Punchcard” shows 172 haste; in game tooltip says 1200 haste and the latest hotfix it says 698 haste. I assume raidbots is just outdated currently and 698 would be the correct value?\

[tranquil gust]

Says 1000k+ on my droods red card at 404

[timid wedge]

I used gear compare so I don't have to make it soulbound yet

But getting weird sims like this out of it: https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/2ammu9kG6eerXbaSG1D3su

Could you maybe send the ID from your punchcard?

[marble tartan]

@ember rover its good

700dps increase

from my perspective

[naive pier]

Whats the best weapons enchant and food flask now if i may ask ❤

[rigid mango]

@tranquil gust 1000k is a lot

[frail gate]

@naive pier Pins

[robust owl]

I believe the overclock punchcard is 10% haste

[cold horizon]

Any idea how we should use the azhara trinket?

[marble tartan]

when pooling and 5secs before pull

[cold horizon]

ah it doenst cause aggro

iiiinteresting

[cobalt pelican]

is how it's used currently

if you can use it prepull safely t hat's probably better but i'm not sure exactly on how it works

[simple meteor]

can you stealth if you use it pre pull?

[sour wasp]

is the benthic boots bonus included in the sims?

[cobalt pelican]

yes

to tbe benthic question that is, no idea ona zshara trinket

i imagine if you could use it prepull safely it would be done as a precombat action on the sim

[sour wasp]

any hotfix to the cyclotronic blast? didnt pay attention these last couple of days

[cobalt pelican]

depends when you last checked

[simple meteor]

yeah thinking the same nameless thank yu

[cobalt pelican]

changes: can't auto/cast during it, but it is hasted and can crit

and it shares cd with other trinkets

but that was like 2 or 3 days ago now

nothing since then

[sour wasp]

ok cheers

[fierce comet]

if im using lucid dreams for st what minor should i use with it

[cobalt pelican]

iris/flame/worldvein/blood are all viable (and probably others)

top gear sim the ones you have

[fierce comet]

ok

[rapid aurora]

Hey guys any tips for dps ? Im siming myself at 29400 dps and My opening is ok for a 413 ilvl but i cant keep up after my opening im falling down to 20k dps and less sometimes and idk what im doing wrong

[fierce comet]

what do your stats look like

[rapid aurora]

25% haste 20% crit 31% mastery

[steep obsidian]

i just had purifcation prototocol proc on one of the enforcers in freehold when it was full hp

2.5M to dead

fun times

[fierce comet]

i have roughly the same except much more crit

i dont think it could matter that much tho

depends on your azerite too

[rapid aurora]

And i have another rogue in my group that have the same ilvl and outdps me for 6 to 7k

[fierce comet]

whats your azerite and are you playing subterfuge or master assasin

[cobalt pelican]

read the guide, understand why you're spending energy when, make sure you're tbing on cooldown and your bleed uptime is high

it's pretty impossible to give specifics without a log

[rapid aurora]

I have 2 double dose with 2 vendetta trait 1 shrouded and trencherous

@cobalt pelican i can send you the logs

[cobalt pelican]

just post them if you want tips, you're a lot more likely to get relevant information

[rapid aurora]

Cool

[fierce comet]

its telling me the worldvein minor is best for me

when i sim

[cobalt pelican]

pretty normal, take into account the sim defaults to 5 other players using it

and that they have to be within 12 yards of you (basically)

[fierce comet]

does that work without other people?

[cobalt pelican]

and if that's realistic, use it

if not, lower the worldvein counter on the sim options

and rerun the sim

[fierce comet]

do both the major and minor require others using it

my second best is iris

[cobalt pelican]

yes

the major is a forced spawn

the minor is random spawns

[rapid aurora]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Lv1zDqrNgWQdtjy3/ my name is leolulu in the logs and i need some help lol

[cobalt pelican]

just looking very briefly at the very first boss

racial should be used with vendetta not prepull

your opener is wrong for what you're playing, for the full opener refer to the guide

[cobalt pelican]

as far as i can see

you straight up didn't vanish

oh you did

but you garroted before you vanished

[rapid aurora]

Yeah sometimes im failing

[cobalt pelican]

so your second garrote wasn't empowered, and even if you had pressed the buttons in the right order you should be garroting twice here

[rapid aurora]

Twice,? Like vanish and garotte 2 times back to back?

[cobalt pelican]

in the gear you're playing yes

your second vendetta should be paired with vanish, which it wasn't

[rapid aurora]

Ok so pairing vendetta with high dmg like empowered garotte racial and things like that

[cobalt pelican]

all of this info is in the really condensed ravenholdt guide, i highly advise reading it top to bottom and if you have questions as to why certain things are the way it says then those can be answered here

yeah

[rapid aurora]

Cool ill read that guide now and comeback if i have more question thx man very appreciate

[cobalt pelican]

when you play a shrouded with subterfuge you have to hold your vendetta 20 seconds for vanish to come off cooldown and then use both (unless you will lose a vendetta cast during the fight for this 20 seconds)

[rapid aurora]

Okok i didnt know i could garotte 2 times

[cobalt pelican]

it doesn't go on cooldown during subterfuge

[karmic galleon]

hey guys, focusing iris or dream ?

[rapid aurora]

And this will maximize my dps?

[strange python]

I didn't know you held vendetta with vanish either for the second round. Never saw that in the guide need to read it again

[rapid aurora]

Ill try that asap man

[upbeat geode]

Leptitbrun make sure your vanish empowered garrote falls off before you apply a new garrote, dont refresh it early

[small thicket]

Make sure you're not mutilating to get from 4 to 5 cp for a finisher, 4 cp is fine

[scenic nacelle]

Word through the grapevine says cyclo got nerfed again. Is this true?

[latent tendon]

does master assassin affect the essence actives ?

[cobalt pelican]

not as far as i'm aware and no

[rapid aurora]

@upbeat geode well if im wating i wont be able to garotte twice?

[small thicket]

Not in that instance

He means once an empowered garrote is applied, let it run it's full duration before applying a non empowered one

Rather than pandemic clip

[upbeat geode]

so you it twice in the garrote, then left that one drop then you vanish and cast it twice agian

[rapid aurora]

Ohhhh

Okok yeah not vanish and cast it twice again okkk

[cobalt pelican]

the opener is pretty rigid and the list on ravenholdt goes up to your vanish

the only time it will really change is if you change into master assassin without shrouded or there's multiple targets, really

just follow it like a sheep and you'll understand why it is the way it is

[urban junco]

Do we have any info about the trinket from Radiance? It's not listed anywhere on bloodmallet or herodamage

I have no idea what scenario it would be good in