assassination

[rancid bobcat]

And confirm if you do or don't get the r3 focusing iris items?

[rigid mango]

Doesn't work, also #wow-general

[vestal wren]

its s2 chest, so nope

[inner tree]

god damn that avatar is gay

[quasi pewter]

wait did they fix crit pot already?

[solemn meadow]

when do you use laser now?

after your vanish envenom window?

or first laser then burst

[rigid mango]

You use it whenever you've got nothign to do

aka pooling later

[inner tree]

anyone knows if the new azerite trait from raid undulating tides is actually good ?

they removed the sim

https://bloodmallet.com/index.html#rogue_assassination?data_view=azerite_traits&type=trait_stacking&tier=3

[quasi pewter]

oh they did fix the crit pot

[rigid mango]

Yeah

[quasi pewter]

took their time

[vestal wren]

nice

[quasi pewter]

and yea its stacking to 20 on target debuff but for some reason buff still only goes to 5

[rigid mango]

Aint it 5 stacks of 4 tho?

[quasi pewter]

yea on the target

its 5 stacks of 4

but the tooltip of the buff you get stacks to 5%

idk what thats even supposed to mean

[rigid mango]

[quasi pewter]

but yea i guess its working correctly atleast

[civic palm]

ye

[quasi pewter]

maybe it gives you 25%

[civic palm]

naaah

[quasi pewter]

5% from buff 20 from debuff

[stark oxide]

its 5 stacks of 20, clearly

they just wanted to nerf MA by giving it to every class baseline

[shy dust]

How difficult would it be to proc the ring that says use 3 different abilities on a target?

[crisp steppe]

Every dot refresh basicly. Mut/env/dot

Tb/vendetta etc shoukd work too

[vapid scarab]

kick/tricks probably count to

[vestal wren]

does detection count? (probably not bc. its not targeted)

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/tXMfjLzRCwV9g66YYDasSj

I better not see anyone run vision 😡

[vestal wren]

oh wow this is without the punchcard trinket

quite impressive number

[rigid mango]

Still a 420 socketed kimbuls on sim

👀

[vestal wren]

also 3x socket benthic

[rigid mango]

that'll do it

[vestal wren]

yikes i am only like 7k behind that sim (on subtlety)

🤔

[rigid mango]

only

[vestal wren]

i mean assassination is only ~4-5% higher on t24 single target sims

i should start fishing for benthic more to catch up

[arctic walrus]

it went up

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3pUkmXyC5g7vN3ibMsz83H

[inner tree]

how lucky can one be

unbelivable

[solemn meadow]

hey

can we make a group

and punch this guy

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/148898695696482305/598206163602898944/unknown-80.png

[vestal wren]

its not luck rather commitment

[quasi pewter]

wtf

[vestal wren]

holy

[solemn meadow]

luck

[quasi pewter]

that blast is gonna blast with that yellow card in the trinket

[upbeat wren]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[inner tree]

yea i sure committed by dumping 400 pearls for nothing at all

gotta try harder i guess

[tardy ether]

did the punchcard get nerfed? 196 haste and 65 mastery seems low for a 455

[quasi pewter]

yes

[solemn meadow]

yellow punchcard have 50% less stats

and the red haste punchcard

[vestal wren]

from #wow-general

[solemn meadow]

gives now 1200 haste

or smth

[tardy ether]

okay

1200?

[vestal wren]

yes, they buffed some red cards

[inner tree]

1200 haste wtf

[marble hemlock]

that punchchard screen looks very doctored

seeing how a 408 punchcard is already almost twice that amount of secondaries :>

[arctic walrus]

No it's right

[rigid mango]

They chunked them in half

Earlier

[marble hemlock]

oh

[vestal wren]

yellow cards got reduced quite hard

[marble hemlock]

guess itsn ot live yet on EU

[vestal wren]

no

na special

[marble hemlock]

imagine designing an interesting trinket

then people use it

and then you nerf it to unplayable state again 😃

[civic palm]

"interesting"

[vestal wren]

ppl probably still use it

given red cards got buffed more or less

[marble hemlock]

i mean it is interesting. sort of a diy trinket with effects based on what you want it to do

[civic palm]

I would rather them nerf stats then the on use though

[vestal wren]

nothing changes just that the impact of yellow is lower

[inner tree]

tbh pre nerf cyclonic was kinda stupid

[quasi pewter]

i mean it was bugged

and its still good now

so 🤷

[vestal wren]

its just not op

what is fine

[stark oxide]

I wish they would have made more options for us to just buy at the 404 ilvl or whatever the default was, and then have the same stuff but higher ilvl in mechagon instance. That would let us actually play with it in the way that feels was intended

[vestal wren]

mechagon will drop cards

[arctic walrus]

I got 4 yellow cards from mechagon (:

At least they're 12 gold each (((:

[inner tree]

yea dude bring back soul capacitor pls

[vestal wren]

rather not

[light kestrel]

Was the vendetta essence proccing NP a bug or intended?

[vestal wren]

did it change?

i assume it was/is intended

[arctic walrus]

I think the only change was that procs were giving you full effect NP

now it's 7s

Regardless, vision is bad due to misalignment of cds, not NP procs

[light kestrel]

Makes sense

[marble tartan]

VoP sucks atm, right?

[rigid mango]

Yes

[marble tartan]

I liked the idea with stacking NP for insane uptime and damage

but it seems like blizz didnt

[feral pelican]

so i am looking at some of this benthic gear and the equip affect says " your abilities hacve a chance to deal physical damage and increased threat to enemies in a small area around the target." so thats just like a little cleave then?

[stark oxide]

yes that is slight, free damage

that effect seems to be worth 1-2% dps increase

[celest swan]

is it still advisable to get lurkers trinket?

(on heroic though) dont kill him mythic ^^

[unkempt shoal]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[feral pelican]

is there a list of BiS benthic gear?

[stray imp]

Just got the other bracers with socket who have a chance to aoe. Sadly not the frost damage bracers. Are the aoe damage bracers good ?

[stark oxide]

They are slightly worse than the frost damage ones ST

[feral pelican]

cause id just started playing again after a 3 week break and really want to make sure I upgrade the best gear possible

[stark oxide]

Personally I would use them as they will still compete with mythic raid gear

But they are worse

I guess it depends on how lucky you feel

I've only gotten 3 benthic sockets and they were all on pieces that don't provide damage

[feral pelican]

but is there a benthic BiS list?

my guild is saying there is but I cant findf one for Ass Rogues

[stray imp]

Check the pins

[stark oxide]

The pins don't mention gloves, which would be another storng piece, but much harder to get, and the other three have higher priority

Also, it isn't really an assassination specific question

[vestal carbon]

what loot are we getting in m+ right now?

[vast forum]

depends on if you're NA or eu

[vestal carbon]

na

[stark oxide]

M+ scales to 415 right now, so push one "high key" for yourself, then spam 7s if you want 415s

[vestal carbon]

can it titanforge?

[vast forum]

yes

also

don't do +7s

do 6

it's capped at 5 or 6 and you get 1 less affix

[stark oxide]

Oh, I thought 7 was the cap, sorry

[vestal carbon]

oh kk nice

[mossy ferry]

don't 5 and 6 both give 415?

[restive smelt]

yes

[stiff current]

is theorycraft for sin reasonably updated at this point? I get some wild priority changes (eg. vers > haste) and can't tell if it's just instability in the sim or what

[stark oxide]

stats don't matter much

[solid nova]

Are you using Lucid

Because Lucid lowers your haste value

[stark oxide]

you'll notice on your weights that theyre all very close which is why its varying so much

[solid nova]

Which would explain it.

[stark oxide]

assuming you have lucid minor, yeah

[stiff current]

That would do it

i have it as a major slot atm

[stark oxide]

That said, lucid gives you fake haste, and will give us a regular boost to vers - at rank 3

so if you wanted to be safe, crit or mastery seems to be safe to gem and enchant

but in the end the dps difference is very slight

[stiff current]

yeah i figured it wasn't a huge overall dps change I just couldn't figure out where the swap was coming from... Lucid makes perfect sense though. Thanks!

[solid nova]

No sweat

[dire phoenix]

best potion istill the agility one ?

[civic palm]

Never was.

[rigid mango]

@dire phoenix crit one for ST, proximity one for aoe

[gentle path]

What trait / talent setup are we running for m+? EB/TTK/SS with deeper strat?

[scarlet sequoia]

potion of focused resolve is the best potion for ST or?

[short jacinth]

Crit potion still breaking stealth tho?

[civic palm]

Probably, doesn't matter though.

[lone junco]

LOL

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pycSJUX3ENQeEhcoos5Zvh

430<415 with a socket Oof

[vestal carbon]

so focusing iris?

is the best?

[untold current]

Focusing iris, is huge damage

holy shit

[full flame]

For a dungeon slice sim?

[vestal carbon]

drops in m+?

[vestal wren]

yes, mystler also optimized the use in the sim earlier

(for aoe)

should be live on raidbots

[arctic walrus]

Here's my breakdown after a waycrest 7

It's huge

[untold current]

we should keep this a secret so it doesnt get nerfed

[weary marten]

hey guys ! purification protocol or blood enemy for MM+ ? 😃

[rancid bobcat]

i mean it's not a secret

you can just look at the numbers and see it'll be dumb

[tropic ocean]

what are you doing with

like

are you using fok

[flint star]

What's the opener with MA and punchcard trinket?

[cosmic pier]

pin in #wow-general

[vestal wren]

the opener is not there, just the use of it

[vestal carbon]

what azerite pieces do we want from raid?

which bosses

[vestal wren]

!azerite

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Azerite overview: https://bit.ly/2U86I7o

[vestal wren]

forgot that we had that

[raw oasis]

It's worth it to just wait for socketed akana's, right?

Seems like 10-15 ilvl for socket and at 425, that crit bonus, probably going to bet better than a 445 mythic, right?

[vestal wren]

even without socket its better

but socket will make it even better

[raw oasis]

Yea so then it's a question of whether or not to upgrade now without socket or just save pearls and roll on a socketed one

[vestal wren]

upgrading is quite costly

[raw oasis]

Precisely.

[vestal wren]

its just a question wather you are willing to gamble or not

[raw oasis]

O wow, total of 220 mana pearls to fully upgrade

[vestal wren]

420 -> 425 might be not worth

costs a lot but brings low value

the majority rather fishes/upgrades others

[formal falcon]

what pots are bis for st right now

[rigid mango]

Crit one

focused resolve

[vestal wren]

crit potion

wowhead guide has a nice breakdown of the pots and when to use them

[formal falcon]

ok ty bois

[faint harness]

I've brought up 2 items to 415

instead of going all out on 1

[rancid bobcat]

people were talking about blood openers here a few hours ago right

[deft nymph]

there's no good way to compare punchcards with raidbots is there

[wise shore]

dwhydoes raidbots want me to regem all hastew with lucid major lol

[full flame]

Got crit bonus boots with socket and leech the other day. Felt so damn good.

[crisp steppe]

coulda been crit + avoidance bro

[royal lantern]

@wise shore mate, haste is not only for energy, and people that think that have no clue lol

haste does a shitton of stuff for sin

[deft nymph]

faster attacks and more bleed/poison dot dmg right

[royal lantern]

all dots tick faster=dmg boost, more melee attacks(melee attacks are a big part of your dmg in bfa)=big dmg boost, more energy cus of more bleed ticks=more mulitate/envenoms as filler

thats all from haste alone

beside the passive more energy reg

[raw oasis]

@vestal wren regarding the boots question earlier, simmed all dungeon drop boots at 430, 445 mythic EP boots, and 415/420/425 akana's with and without sockets.

415 akana's w/o socket is comparable to 445 mythic.
415 akana's w/o socket is about %0.6 above all 430 dungeon drop gear.

Was just curious and thought I'd share.

This is for patchwork 5min sim, fyi

[wise shore]

@royal lantern ty

god they gutted yellow punchcards lol

[deft nymph]

ohh cyclotron puts other trinkets on the shared cd now too

[ornate herald]

are sims updated for mechagon trinket?

the stat nerf i mean

[deft nymph]

well it shows the stat nerf in the tooltip on raidbots

so...probably?

[ornate herald]

hm ok

[rigid mango]

Sim nightly

and it should be fine

[pulsar torrent]

ahoy guys, hows been focusing iris rank 2 so far ?

[deft nymph]

damn looking like i need to regem everything crit now

very slightly better for single and way better for aoe

[arctic walrus]

Iris is busted

[round nimbus]

so what are the best relics to use for major and minor slots?

[tribal marlin]

Is there anyway to see the buff to red punchcard anywhere ?

[deft nymph]

buff?

[pulsar torrent]

@arctic walrus why ?

[rigid mango]

can randomly one shot anything

non-boss

15 mil hp miniboss? Gone.

[pulsar torrent]

rolf

[tribal marlin]

Yes they buffed some punchcard I heard. For example Cyclotronic now is hasted and can crit

[arctic walrus]

No that's purification

[rigid mango]

oh

So it is, my bad

[arctic walrus]

Iris is eye beam

[rigid mango]

Aye that's mb

[tribal marlin]

WoW is Diablo now : You enter a very high fortified key and gamble a Protocol proc on mini-boss, if it does not proc you leave the key and try again

xD

[distant lava]

no man

[vestal wren]

@raw oasis ye the crit effect is rly strong

[scenic nacelle]

Cyclo does so much damage it's really hard to put down

[languid ore]

I haven't played in like a week and a half and I'm totally lost on what's good and what I should be farming. It's like every day is something new and OP

[vestal wren]

well they just changes stuff on na

raidbots is your best friend atm, it has all the changes

[faint harness]

does it have cyclo critting yet

[vestal wren]

yes hence thats a flag in spelldata it should have it

[languid ore]

I only have first essense and the energy regen one

[vestal wren]

the m+ essence is quite potent, you will be able to get it fairly fast on lvl 2

[languid ore]

Nice

Prolly get that during weekend

[vestal wren]

(just do a 7 or higher key)

[nimble tartan]

dude cyclotronic is even better now lmaoo

[vestal wren]

other red cards might be good now

i havent compared those

[nimble tartan]

on st boss https://i.imgur.com/Im6KA1Y.png

when the cyclotronic crits 😻

[misty tusk]

How do you fit Cyclotronic in to the rotation?

[vestal wren]

hasted + crit is def. nice

[magic fossil]

mecha trinket is back? 😐 its simulating higher again for everyone?/

[faint harness]

it was never gone

[vestal wren]

i posted(pinned) use condition for all specs in #wow-general

[scarlet sequoia]

@nimble tartan that seems like a very quick boss

[nimble tartan]

its a dungeon boss

short ye

[rancid bobcat]

so what're people pairing cyclotronic with

just random proc stuff like kimbul or harlan?

[scenic nacelle]

whatever sims highest. Gift still pumps

[faint harness]

i use plumage with it

[vestal wren]

i dont see a harm even using a on use trinket with it

given you want to use it during downtimes

[strange python]

Anyone ever been this tilted?

[nimble tartan]

lmaooo

grats bro

[strange python]

i waanna kms

[tough whale]

i got the healing condition ring :^)

[pulsar torrent]

soo, cyclo is the best red ?

[vestal wren]

probably

[rigid mango]

That one or the one from mecha

it looks quite good

[warm mulch]

Where can I read the changes to the cyclo card btw?

[stable plinth]

#wow-general

Is Focused Resolved still bugged and breaking you out of stealth?

[rigid mango]

Nope

Working fine

[strange python]

Is it giving correct amount of crit aswell now?

[empty badge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/vMkiwxaegqM6931RgZW9Dm

lucid dreams actually sims 500 dps lower

thats insane

[outer hatch]

Did they fix Worldvein's stealth bug?

[empty badge]

Not that I know of

[stable plinth]

does raidbots have the new mecah trinket changes in

like sharing CD

[vapid scarab]

yes

don't know about the crit/hasted thing tho

[faint harness]

it does

just simmed it

its basically a 0 dps gain because they also sliced the yellow cards value in half

so it remained around the same dps boost

[drifting cloud]

are the yellow cards only fixed on NA?

or tooltips not updated

[faint harness]

i guess its one of those after-reset fixes

requires realm restarts

[low ridge]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[shy dust]

What are the good pieces of azerite to roll for from the raid

[rigid mango]

Depends on how good loyal is for us

helm from zaqul for sure

[thick wagon]

how badly does the hotfix to the punchcard suck?

[civic palm]

Doesn't.

[nimble tartan]

it crits its hot bro

vers 🤢

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5n2xRt78hVrnHU9SbuFGDL

[civic palm]

Welcome to TRINKET METAAAAAAA

[strange python]

Reads OK

[nimble tartan]

should put energy rule for sake of thoroughness and no questions asked

[strange python]

I guess, assuming people can actually think for themselves is bad.

:p

[civic palm]

At some point capping energy does nothing as you can't spend it there and having more energy is better than having less when coming out of something like a cast/channel.

This read well enough?

- - - - - - - - How to Use Trinket - - - - - - - -
Pocket-Sized Computation Device Edition

~ Not under the effects of;
Vendetta, Lucid Major, or Toxic Blade
~ Time on Rupture and Garrote is over;
4 seconds
~ You are unlikely to cap energy

Note: 4 seconds is as slow as the trinket
can be, with Haste the time goes down.

[nimble tartan]

probably also applies to BotE major target debuff

[civic palm]

Effectively the same.

Though you want to STACK that.

Whereas with the trinket you do not.

Other than maybe a VERS trinket.

[crystal pilot]

has anyone tried a vision of perfection/nothing personal build yet?

[civic palm]

Yeah the computer has IIRC, not great.

[small thicket]

Makes sense. so with an opener are you guys using it after lucid ends and then on CD based on the conditions met?

[crystal pilot]

is that sarcasm? i'm genuinely curious if it works

[civic palm]

Based on conditions.

[nimble tartan]

everytime i do a new sim

i gain 100 dps

with no new items

[simple meteor]

guys did they fix crit pot does it go up to 20% ?

[steel bison]

anyone tried the 420 trinket you can craft in Rustbolt?

[crystal pilot]

i keep getting rings, but the trinkets are actually pretty decent

[steel bison]

I got Clockwork Re-Sharpener, not too sure how good it is tbf

[strange python]

yea i got a crit trinket that seems alright

[crystal pilot]

i've seen two, one is a crit modifier that gives a strong amount of crit per 2 seconds for 14 seconds and the other is a vers modifier that gives a strong amount of vers every 3 seconds for 12 second

[strange python]

that one

[steel bison]

ye that's the one, the x crit per 2

[rotund mural]

invocation of yu'lon any good in m+?

[civic palm]

Sure

There are WAY BETTER trinkets, but it's fine.

[austere wadi]

Does crit pot still break stealth on use?

[vapid scarab]

no

[austere wadi]

thank jebus

[simple meteor]

does it stacks to 20% now tho?

[civic palm]

It has.

[simple meteor]

thank you

[fringe epoch]

is crit pot bis for opener?

[strange python]

yea

[halcyon falcon]

what trait setup are people mostly running? for pure ST, I get that MA and 3x DD 3NP is tops, but in reality are we looking at subterfuge and a SS trait?

[strange python]

did ashvane's razorcoral get buffed?

[rigid mango]

@halcyon falcon MA good for patchwerk, sub + ss better for cleave

The fight dictates what you play

[civic palm]

I don't think Razorcoral got changed in any way.

[halcyon falcon]

how many SS traits are we looking at when running that setup?

[rigid mango]

Probably as many as possible

[strange python]

oh just noticed its higher on herodamage today unless i'm crazy, is there a trinket combo we should be shooting for this tier? I'm guessing the font of power from azshara and... something else

[rigid mango]

Azshara one looks good, probably accompanied with some non-on use trink

[civic palm]

Early anyway.

[cobalt pelican]

trinkets were like the last things to be implemented i think

so the charts have been a little all over the place

[empty crescent]

do we use crit pot on timer and agi pot 2nd?

[rigid mango]

No?

Just use crit on both

[long hill]

is this focusing iris worth? should we do the "cheat" for rank 3?

[onyx rock]

Is the Crit potion fixed ?

[civic palm]

o _o

[strange python]

Which burst potion should we use? (Crit, Fire or Stats) ?

[onyx rock]

Stealth thing i mean

[rigid mango]

The cheat doesn't work

[mental obsidian]

The cheat is fixed

[rigid mango]

LAds

3x same question

SCROLL UP

[long hill]

@mental obsidian noice

[rigid mango]

YES CRIT, YES IT WORKS LIKE INTENDED

[civic palm]

o _o

[mental obsidian]

And on herodmg rank 3 is basically rank 2 iris

Like no increase

[faint harness]

you can move and cast it

which can be big in some situations

[atomic saddle]

Ashvanes Razor Coral seems to be second best trinket, so the value of Vision of Perfection increases since you can always use the stacks when it procs or is it still shit?

[rigid mango]

It's garbage

don't use it

[atomic saddle]

that sucks

[mental obsidian]

Visiomegaluln

[rigid mango]

I'm so happy it's bad

[civic palm]

o _O

[mental obsidian]

Visi n

[atomic saddle]

So what trinkets are we aiming for for now? Especially before mythic opens?

[faint harness]

Cyclotronic omegablast

[polar cape]

The 2min on use on last boss + omega w/e TF

[crystal vault]

does vision of perfection procc NP ?

[atomic saddle]

I guess Punchcard trinket is nerfed to death?

[grave ibex]

Yo what Major/minor we looking at rn? 😮

[atomic saddle]

What you guys gonna pair with Insidious Gift?

[faint harness]

punchcard trinket aint nerfed to death

[civic palm]

o _o

[hoary latch]

Did the red punchard get buffed?

[grave ibex]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[hoary latch]

My haste proc used to be 200 and now its 1200 lol

[mental obsidian]

Blast simming lower than kimbu and shrine trinket for me

[atomic saddle]

ppl said its nerfed and usually things are not longer playable when blizzard touch them with nerfs :^)

[nimble tartan]

tfw youll never go baack to m uunat and wont ever get a thiccie lucid

[tropic ocean]

Source: trust me bro

[faint harness]

Source: people say

They buffed the effect of the red punchcards and nerfed the yellow stat cards to compensate

[tropic ocean]

Theres a simple solution to every problem which trinket to choose

Use raidbots and sim it

[civic palm]

I mean... unless that's not working and there was a weird change.

But sure.

[tropic ocean]

Plot twist: its more accurate than ppl saying stuff

[civic palm]

maybe

[faint harness]

The changes are on raidbots afaik

[civic palm]

Usually.

I will say usually.

[atomic saddle]

How about the Inscription trinket?

[faint harness]

Last time i simmed my red punchcard was critting

[civic palm]

If there was a change within the past 6 hours, probably not on RB/HD.

[tropic ocean]

Inscription trinket is decent

Theres better options tho

[atomic saddle]

What trinket setup u guys going for?

[rigid mango]

For what

[atomic saddle]

for raiding, like st

[civic palm]

The best trinkets I have are what I am using.

o_o

[rigid mango]

Same as miz

[tropic ocean]

I will start out with lurkers + kimbul

Cuz thats the best i have

hoping to roll last boss trinket or arcane

[atomic saddle]

you think its worth to grind for a 415 dice paired with Insidious Gift?`

[tropic ocean]

for st?

[atomic saddle]

yea

[civic palm]

Dice? No.

[tropic ocean]

Theres better options I believe

I have 410 socket dice and its worse than kimbul and compendium in sim

[civic palm]

If you get it you get it?

yay?

[obsidian cipher]

is unbridled fury any good for us?

[faint harness]

dice is so overhyped its sad

[tropic ocean]

@obsidian cipher yes

[obsidian cipher]

ty

[rigid mango]

Crit is better though, if you're ST

[civic palm]

Focused is better for ST, period.

~30% better

I fucking love... having stats that don't fucking matter.

alright... well where are the other stats?

Just do w/e

l u l

[faint harness]

yea i dunno

crit is my best stat by quite a bit now

since the.. change to trinket?

[civic palm]

VERS will get thrown out once the trinket is nerfed unless Ashvane's is veeeeeeeery good.

Though with the yellow nerf the red card might just be left alone?

Dunno.

[tropic ocean]

Vers is my best stat

Without mecha trinket

🤷🏿‍♂️

[faint harness]

i neither gained nor lost any dps

between the nerfs to yellow/buffs to red

and yes i checked the stats, the card gives about 50% of what my current EU card gives

and the red is critting

soo the punchcard will still be the best for me until raid trinkets, but we're all different beasts

[fierce osprey]

!Essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[nimble tartan]

is that azshara trinket special?

[rigid mango]

It's very good, yeah

[civic palm]

and yeah the raid trinkets can TF so.

[nimble tartan]

as in different loot % chance

[civic palm]

It's EXTREMELY good.

[quartz dew]

bummer that they're pretty much all on use, juggling two makes me a sad panda

[faint harness]

i saw some sims with it

its channeling for 3 sec?

[nimble tartan]

cause its not on DROPTIMIZER BRO

[civic palm]

o _o

[nimble tartan]

if it aint there i dont WANT IT

im a sim slave bro

[civic palm]

Just use Azshara and Ashvane

ezpz

[faint harness]

how doies ashvane use work with other use trinkets

[civic palm]

Fuck if I know I am just bullshitting.

It's 20sec though.

and that's weird.

[faint harness]

yea

so i wonder

if its off the share cd

[tough whale]

probably the reactivate

would do the global 20s cd

[nimble tartan]

is the azshara trinket a normal drop trinket or is it like one of those rare ass amanthul situations

[faint harness]

just a trinket drop

[tough whale]

^

[civic palm]

Normal drop.

[tough whale]

Just a busted ass trinket drop

[crimson condor]

so full haste/mastery for raid night tonight right?

[civic palm]

dropped by WHO KNOWS

[tough whale]

[civic palm]

SIM YOUR SEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELF

[crimson condor]

sim can't be trusted

[faint harness]

overzealous hulk of course

[tough whale]

???

if sim cant be trusted

why ask us

[civic palm]

Neither can you SNEAKEYPETE.

[tough whale]

LOL

[crimson condor]

sim had me at like 40% haste in s2

[civic palm]

Here's what I am going to tell you...

it's the results of math...

the same math, the SIM uses.

[crimson condor]

a month ago everyone here said don't trust the sims because they heavily weight haste

[civic palm]

Lucid Minor drops Haste values some 25% and cases basically all of our stats to be the same.

[crimson condor]

now everyone changed their tune

[civic palm]

Haste was your best ST stat in Season, yes.

Both the Inscription and Punchcard trinkets scale with VERS. so VERS is going to be higher than normal if you have either of those trinkets.

[crisp steppe]

Just use highilvl / socketed gear

Or sim urself

[civic palm]

Honestly if you have any DMG trinket I imagine VERS is weighted higher now.

[tough whale]

Cyclonic also crits which is pretty nut

[faint harness]

its their attempt to make vers a fun stat

making vers the trinket stat

[crimson condor]

lucid trinket + resonating heart then

plumage i mean

[civic palm]

Season 2 and Season 3 stats didn't change because people "changed their tune", it's because we got new things (essences and trinkets) that have moved around our stat weights.

[strange python]

i wanna cry so bad

[crisp steppe]

Haste scales those trinkets too think

[steel bison]

just so i'm clear, "DMG" trinket is something like Kimbuls / cyclonic etc?

[civic palm]

a trinket that does damage.

[crisp steppe]

Well not cyclonix

[cursive dagger]

hm.. have you guys found the abberations benthic belt to be better or the physical dmg belt? i have both with a socket but idk whats more worth. the abberations belt for za'qul and orgozoa or the physical

[faint harness]

haste, crit, vers are all affecting cyclonic

[crisp steppe]

Haste scales rppm

[steel bison]

alright, was just making sure i wasn't going tarded

[strange python]

i see all the rogue using Blood of the Enemy

[faint harness]

cus its pretty good

[tough whale]

For what content? it definitley has its uses

[civic palm]

Probably best it SIMs better?

[strange python]

i can"t farm that

i hate bg

[tough whale]

?

[civic palm]

Yeah you can.

[faint harness]

then dont

[civic palm]

Ya big baby.

[faint harness]

there are plenty other options

[civic palm]

Just get Lucid 3 Fire 2

ezpz

[tough whale]

its random battlegrounds just afk and hit things

[crisp steppe]

Just get the raid one lol

[plucky stream]

!essences

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tough whale]

I mean youll still want blood

[crisp steppe]

For?

[civic palm]

mmmaybe

[tough whale]

Its not as bad to farm as people make it out to be

[faint harness]

blood is pog m8

get on the train

[cursive dagger]

hm.. have you guys found the abberations benthic belt to be better or the physical dmg belt? i have both with a socket but idk whats more worth. the abberations belt for za'qul and orgozoa or the physical? Anyone know?

if no one does thats fine

[faint harness]

make ur own judgement call

im not going for belt at all

personally

bracers and boots is where i stop

[opal oyster]

What should i craft in Junkyard Tinkering?

[quartz dew]

same, got boots and wrists and that was enough pearling for me

[cursive dagger]

yeah i just have a 400 with a socket so i figured i may as well

[faint harness]

azshara drops special effects gloves and belt

thats why

i didnt

[cursive dagger]

yeah i have my bracers and boots done so i was curious

[opal oyster]

equip wise

[quartz dew]

yea that's not my reason too, that's nicer than I just couldn't be bothered

now*

[strange python]

i can't pvp like it's literally aids for me on Wow im just gonna get lucid 3 and fire i think

can replace blood for Condensed Life-Force no ?

[faint harness]

yes

but pvp is not as bad as ppl make it out to be

[crisp steppe]

@faint harness im goin focusing iris for aoe. And w8 for condensed life force

Ez

[faint harness]

playing bgs is like doing PVE rotation but on players

[crisp steppe]

If blood ends up being huge i can still farm it

[strange python]

bgs are rlly horrible for me tho i dunno

[crisp steppe]

Dont raid top50 neway

[faint harness]

i guess you still want to be the best version of you

regardless of the arena in which you raid

[crisp steppe]

Nah

[strange python]

should i use lucid as major or minor with fire ?

[crisp steppe]

Settle for less gang

[faint harness]

you should sim it tbh

[crisp steppe]

Ya

[faint harness]

lucid major gives you a solid 20% leech tho

if you have rank 3

[crisp steppe]

[strange python]

rank 2 for now

[civic palm]

Save Lucid Major for HEALING WORD

[strange python]

anyway i'm gonna cry doing bgs then

until i got it

[crisp steppe]

Enjoy crying

[civic palm]

If you known yourself out or let your cat play for you, the results will be the same.

[quartz dew]

lucid leech + give us old smoke bomb back and we can complete the sweet sweet demon hunter roleplay

[atomic saddle]

how do I sim a character on raidbots with minor essences if he's not 55 yet?

[quartz dew]

just change your heart level in the simc thing to 55

[strange python]

and Condensed Life-Force is like top tier in the guide

[atomic saddle]

ah thx

[crisp steppe]

Thats because it is in sim situation at least. Idk how its simmed id they are using on cd or not

But in a 5 min sim u can always sync it with vendetta and not lose any casts. Which would overvalue it for some bosses

[fiery sleet]

hey does anyone know why so many sin rogues take one Twist the Knife trait?

[rigid mango]

Because it's BiS

[silent parcel]

This mightve been asked earlier, but cant find anything, is the revered rustbolt punchcard worth using?

[stable plinth]

Because it's on a piece that has overwhelming power and double dose

[rigid mango]

The best chest is cephalohide

[stable plinth]

So people take that piece

[civic palm]

OP is pretty OP.

[fiery sleet]

ah okay I see tyvm

[short token]

someone said there's a guide on when to use the focused resolve pot on wowhead, i haven't been able to find it, is there a tldr version someone can give

[civic palm]

At the normal times O _O

[short token]

ok

[cobalt pelican]

it's just a battlepot which means before pull and during lust or a vendetta window or ideally both

if you were forced to choose one or the other it was generally during lust for the 2nd pot but idk if that's changed or not with the focused resolve pot

[pearl bear]

anyone got recommendations on major/minor slot if you dont have life force yet?

[short token]

ok that's what i thought, don't know why it would be different

[royal lantern]

wathever the sim tells you too take

[cobalt pelican]

blood3/lucid3/iris2/flame2 are all viable and change depending on your gear

[opal oyster]

SHould i roll for trinket or card in Junkyard?

[cobalt pelican]

keep the mats for purification protocol, probably

[civic palm]

Bingo.

There's a raid and dungeon stop crafting things O _O

[arctic walrus]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mPYCYGnvRdtaHPTm72iaW2

[opal oyster]

oh, ok, ty

[static acorn]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[arctic walrus]

interesting

focusing iris better than bote minor

[tepid bramble]

is the mechagon red punch card lazor beam still even after the nerfs?

[faint harness]

bote minor is hardly a top simming essence tho

its like bottom

[nimble tartan]

Imagine farming 50k honor lmao

[tepid bramble]

still good*

[nimble tartan]

:sangry:

[vapid scarab]

yes

[faint harness]

yes Esuna

[vapid scarab]

it can crit and scales with haste

very strong

[spice frost]

What potions are you guys using? Focused resolve only?

[civic palm]

yes

[vapid scarab]

well focused resolve has the pretty large downside of dropping stacks anytime you touch any other target

[nimble tartan]

I’m using prolonged

[hushed valley]

Does master assassin effect cyclonic?

[vapid scarab]

stacks get removed even if you mouseover garrote/rupture

[rigid mango]

@hushed valley no

[vapid scarab]

MA only affects rogue abilities

[hushed valley]

But cyclonic does crit

[vapid scarab]

SasquatchToday at 5:50 PM
MA only affects rogue abilities

[hushed valley]

I can read thanks

[rigid mango]

So what are you trying to as,

[hushed valley]

My question is does my base crit have bearance on that or does anything

[rigid mango]

Then ask that

LOL

[vapid scarab]

how else would it crit

if your crit chance didn't affect it

[rigid mango]

Your question was about MA not crit

[faint harness]

MA doesnt increase ur base crit tho

anyway

[rigid mango]

Exactly, it doesn't

[hushed valley]

My apologies I just got 5 crits in a row out of stealth

Was jw

[empty badge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/71L3wvAxwKWzFaNrBVnMMx focusing iris is legit simming highest for me for single target what

[rigid mango]

It's only against r2 flames/blood really

[faint harness]

sup with this sim tho

[empty badge]

sup?

[blazing matrix]

did anyone see how to get blood of the enemy rank 3

[faint harness]

just looking at your gear i would assume higher dps

[empty badge]

Yeah I have been thinking that but i dont know

[blazing matrix]

i think sims are broken or something

[empty badge]

Still 30m inutes of simming

[faint harness]

its a weekly sim

go back

and do nightly

[empty badge]

oh

oof

[white basalt]

is crit potion fixed? i heard it wasnt giving the full 20 percent crit

[sudden ravine]

mmmm, people pulling early when trying to use Unbridled

mmmmmmm

[white basalt]

i might just agi for tnoght lol

tonight

[sudden ravine]

Crit potion was fixed yes

[white basalt]

cool

[unreal perch]

you use Lucid below 50 energy after vendetta is finished, right?

[white basalt]

u can use it during vendetaa window after the energy regen falls off

[quasi pewter]

below 50 energy

no other condition

[white basalt]

think it lines up nicely with 2nd toxic blade:)

[unreal perch]

gotcha

wait

doesn't energy regen wear off a bit early from vendetta for it to line up with the second TB?

[white basalt]

yea a little

[unreal perch]

hmm alright. I'll figure it out

[quasi pewter]

you dont line it up

just use if you cant cast another ability next gcd

[unreal perch]

oh, I thought you wanted it up for the second TB. got it

[stark oxide]

even without energy regen buffs you can maintain envenom buff during tb, and from my understanding thats the only important part for minmaxing TB

But I'm just a purple parsing pleb so I could be wrong

[empty badge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/pkXiAjD1H5U2QkeMC4vZQ8 my thing iis fixed now

and lucid dreams is best

[civic palm]

Good

[unreal perch]

I mean, you wana get off more envenoms not just keep up the buff

since envenom flat out does more damage during TB

[exotic rose]

Do you guys know if the benthic boots with crit damage has been nerfed?

Ion mentioned he didn’t like some benthic gear being better than raids, but couldn’t find any notes about any changes.

[rigid mango]

Afaik no.

[mighty elm]

I:omegalul: N

[atomic saddle]

only simming for 31.5k dps, feelsbadman

[empty badge]

I feel like my single target sim is low for my gear

[foggy coral]

Is the Sundering trinket fixed yet? like can multiple people in a raid run it now or is it still bugged?

[empty badge]

7 sockets and 4199 idk

[keen laurel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5WJXWvbnHT7vpeGKSH9dme

🆗

[subtle tundra]

i mean youre gonna replace all your gear in a week

[white galleon]

can some1 link apl aids to find on phone

[faint harness]

Smuch did you try all the different essence combinations

[white galleon]

@warm parcel

[warm parcel]

[civic palm]

O _O

[white galleon]

can u link apl

I'm on phone in bed

@warm parcel

[civic palm]

2 more times

Magic number.

[warm parcel]

https://github.com/simulationcraft/simc/tree/bfa-dev/profiles/Tier24

[white galleon]

danke friend

if we win I write ur name on my forehead

[warm parcel]

😗

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Does he at least get to pick the color?

[keen laurel]

wonder if I have enough sockets

[white galleon]

Any1 else sim 37.5k?

[rigid mango]

If you don't have max

not enough

[keen laurel]

have like 10

oof

[civic palm]

Missing 1?

whack

[keen laurel]

406

oof

51 necklace

oof

[civic palm]

o _o

[keen laurel]

i cant sim past that without more double dose traits or my second essence slot at that ilvl :'c

oof

oof

there

[faint harness]

no amount of oofs in the world will save you

[keen laurel]

maybe I get more double dose now

oof

[stark oxide]

Thoughts on Engi helm? Comes with DD and OP, how much of a loss is it taking an engi trait over like, NP?

[rigid mango]

Simming it's a pretty good opinion

[frail gate]

Hmmmm so is it normal for crucible of flame to sim higher than lucid? both rank 2 with worldvein minor

500 more dps with Crucible of flame r2 major, and worldvein minor over lucid major worldvein minor

[white galleon]

@stark oxide shit compared to zaqul

[solid nova]

Just link the sim

[frail gate]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/sV38WWuTVLcAeyxnRK22cE

[white galleon]

The mythic eng head is like 30 dps better than hc zaqul for me

[honest needle]

my neck is only 52 i can only pick 1
for my major
out of crucible lucid and blood and enemy

lucid prolly for assasination and crucible of flame for outlaw right ?

[dark crag]

Lucid

[honest needle]

n which for outlaw

[dark crag]

[honest needle]

currently in raid cant

lol

thats y i was asking

[keen elk]

In the time it took us to respond to you and have a full conversation about your gear and essences, you could have simmed yourself while in raid 🤔

[desert ibex]

Do you generally want the benthic azerite armor or just wait?

[stark oxide]

benthic only goes to 415

so there isnt a lot of point anymore

[empty badge]

Whats my roation using a crit pot and lucid dream?

Gar Mut Rupt Vend Vanish TB Mut Env Mut Mut Env is it this?

Or am I wrong

[stark oxide]

its a great starting point though, the helm is very good for ST. but since its 415 capped you'll replace it soon assuming you raid or run middle/high keys

[drifting cloud]

I saw a pic you can upgrade benthic to 430

now that raid is out

but it was alot of pearls

[faint harness]

Following previous benthic upgrade order it would cost 200 pearls from 425 to 430

[stark oxide]

I would only do the helm for that then. The chest if your focus is m+ since the hcest is really nice for that.

[drifting cloud]

it was like 350, if the pic wasnt fake

cant really confirm since im not na

[faint harness]

350 wtf

Regardless, 385 azerite to 415 azerite is much cheaper than upgrading regular gear

Its only 2 upgrades

[tribal marlin]

I want BB spalls 😦

[faint harness]

Btw first hotfixes

No nerfs to benthic

[ornate gazelle]

Might have been answered a ton but how do you use the crit pot on prepull and is it the best of the new ones?

[faint harness]

You use it like any other pot on pre pull

I didnt know there was another way actually

[tribal marlin]

crit pot = no more 2cp mut out of vanish

[stark oxide]

Watch me.

[faint harness]

Theres always a slight chance

[stark oxide]

crit pot + MA = still 2 cp mut

That's just how I roll

[hazy iron]

They’re probably confused because if the crit pot bug which I’m sure has been fixed

[faint harness]

Yepp

[hazy iron]

Maybe I’m being optimistic haha

[faint harness]

Nah its fixed

[desert ibex]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[scenic saffron]

any idea on how to use the new raid trinkets in the rotation ?

[tribal marlin]

Azshara's one will probably be used 4sec before pull and then 4sec before vendetta simply

[ornate gazelle]

What's the crit pot called?

[hazy iron]

Focused resolve

[tribal marlin]

Focused resolve?

[surreal hawk]

yo lads is it true that u can upgrade benthic gear to 445 now ?

[strange python]

he's on about cyclo blast

i would imagine

[obsidian cipher]

What are you gamers coining tonight?

[rigid mango]

Daggers, zaqul, azshara

[ornate gazelle]

does it matter which hand force multiplier is on?

[drifting cloud]

no

[ornate gazelle]

sweet thanks

[strange python]

so what's the timing on cyclo blast if you're still using plumage

i guess after vendetta ends i'll use it

[tribal marlin]

outside of lucid/vendetta/toxicblade with less than 80 energy

ideally after refreshing dots

[strange python]

aight

makes sense

[tepid bramble]

i usually go vendetta TB wait for tb to run out lucid wait for lucid to run out then cyclo

[strange python]

ye

exactly the same as me

but im gonna go bote major

so timing will be a bit different

[scenic saffron]

frost damage wrists and increased threat waists are the best simming ones other than boots ?

[tough whale]

aberration

belt

[strange python]

well unless it's an aberration i guess

[scenic saffron]

isn't it only good for 2bosses ?

[strange python]

yeah

i'd imagine so

it's still good in general

[tough whale]

its still a good piece

the threat thing is much more ehhh

[strange python]

but the other is better if you also have it socket and 420

[tribal marlin]

Why nobody talk about fish bracers ?

[strange python]

outside of aberration bosses ofc

[tribal marlin]

I know it kinda sucks if the boss is moving a lot like Ashvane but they outsim frost one

[tough whale]

?

[near vortex]

i upgraded a random benthic that had a socket, rip 200 pearls

[rigid mango]

[near vortex]

now i cant upgrade the boots to 425

[tough whale]

[scenic saffron]

I feel like mythic loot with sockets will replace the benthic other than boots

[tribal marlin]

Don't waste 150 pearl to upgrade the boots, it doesn't increase the buff.

[tough whale]

• belt on abberations but ye

[rigid mango]

Your feeling is correct

[tough whale]

its not about increasing the buff what

[rigid mango]

but non socketed mythic pieces

are worse

[tough whale]

upgrade the boots for sure lmao

[strange python]

haha

[tribal marlin]

Focus on Belt/bracers where the ilvl actually increase the proc dmg (a lot)

[strange python]

ye just walk about in 385 boots

[tough whale]

stroll on in

[strange python]

which won't be swapped for months

Kapp

[tough whale]

I know what he's trying to say though

but yeah

[tribal marlin]

I mean you can upgrade to 415 for like 70 pearl, then focus on other benthic armor

[strange python]

i just did all 3 pieces 420

[tough whale]

^

[strange python]

fuck 100 for 5 ilvl

[tribal marlin]

415 -> 425 is just a few more stat for the boots. For the bracers it's a tons of more damage

[tough whale]

then you dont get higher than 425 craft for a bit

[scenic saffron]

how did you dinf that many pearls ? Rerolled pieces with pearls from alts ?

[tough whale]

?

[near vortex]

those 100 hurt muy soul

[tough whale]

you buy benthic to roll from alts

[near vortex]

my

[strange python]

4 alts then i filtered gear to my main

[tough whale]

you never buy benthic gear on main

[strange python]

for all the pieces then i used my mains to upgrade

[scenic saffron]

yea mistakes were made 😦

[tribal marlin]

I wasted around 100 pearl gambling the boots then I started gamble other piece with alts

[tough whale]

i rolled 4 socketed wrong boots in a row earlier

so im ready to noose

[scenic saffron]

saving my last 50 pearls for lucid rank3, only have the boots with socket at 415

[drifting cloud]

not a mistake if you dont get boots with 500 pearls like me

[near vortex]

holy fuck

[tough whale]

feelin more like diablo

[strange python]

if i don't get high parses tomorrow i'm garbage. I got all 3 top benthic 420, bote rank 3 and lucid rank 3

[near vortex]

how is that even possible?

[drifting cloud]

rng?

I got all 3 others pair 2-3 times each

[strange python]

weut

wut*

you actually spent 500 on boots and didn't get it

[near vortex]

thats just nuts

[cobalt gyro]

If you're rolling for one piece with a socket specifically it's possible yea

[drifting cloud]

yeah but I got leech, speed and indestructible ones

[tribal marlin]

Next boots you'll buy will be avoidance + Socket 😉

[forest leaf]

have you guys tested the new pots and, which one would you guys recommend

[rigid mango]

Crit.

[scenic saffron]

i got the pufferfish wrists with socket, don't know if its worth to keep rerolling for frost damage ones

[tribal marlin]

I upgraded mines

[scenic saffron]

if you proc poison bomb with the crit potion, do you lose the effect if poison bomb hits other targets

[tribal marlin]

I'll probably gamble for frost later on but pufferfish is fine. Seems like it even outsim frost bracers but it can be bad if the boss is moving a lot

[near vortex]

for enchants do we go double force multiplier?

[next ice]

So did I, but still gambling for boots

[strange python]

no

[near vortex]

force and haste?

[strange python]

sim

see what your stat weights are

[tribal marlin]

tbh there is little to no difference using crit or haste enchant.

[rigid mango]

Depends on your staaaaaaaaaats

[civic palm]

Depends on your trinkets really.

[rigid mango]

Fuck of fwith the picking of stats and sim it

[civic palm]

Though you should be using Lucid Minor which is going to mangle Haste weight.

Just use w/e

[near vortex]

server is down i cant sim it now lol

[rigid mango]

Minor doesn't really mangle it as hard as major

[civic palm]

Course, didn't help though.

[rigid mango]

Ofc.

[civic palm]

Just don't somehow enchant Agility.

[strange python]

i mean

you may as well juts sim it and see

it takes a minute

[rigid mango]

[civic palm]

Force + Crit, Crit gems and Enchants.

[strange python]

not gonna make a massive different but it's not much effort either

[civic palm]

Done and done.

ezpz

[rigid mango]

I'm finding it very hard not to be seriously snarky

atm

[civic palm]

I took a shower, it seems to have helped a little.

[rigid mango]

I'm taking sleep.

[strange python]

severs back

servers

so how much dps difference between the crit pot and the agi pot

[rigid mango]

A lot

Like, a lot a lot

You can sim it yourself, you know

[civic palm]

600dps a lot

[strange python]

jesus

[drifting cloud]

thats a big boy pot

[strange python]

how do you get rank 3

is it a mob drop

?

[rigid mango]

Google

probably

[fair stag]

so... Lucid is best atm correct?

[cobalt pelican]

rep vendor for focused

[civic palm]

Rank 3 of what?

[strange python]

the crit pot

[civic palm]

Mechagon

Says in the... spellbook...

[strange python]

it's ankoan

ty though

[civic palm]

o _O is it fuuuuck

Which ones are Dungeon.

There are two.

[strange python]

oh

[fair stag]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[civic palm]

Fury, Mending and the Healing Potion are from Dungeon

[fair stag]

Guys when is the best time to press the Lucid essence global? Should I wait till Vendetta is over?