trying to get all my little assassin ducks in a row before I get back into raiding
#assassination
unreal perch
strange python
sometimes my rupture is like 10 seconds left
fleet anchor
For the most part using it on CD is generally fine provided you are pooling energy when possible prior to TB coming up
strange python
and i like to delay 2 seconds
rigid mango
The way you should be playing
rigid mango
Atleast
fleet anchor
I don't know in that specific case, but for example I see a lot of talk about the opener order with MA
unreal perch
I honestly hardly see how you can miss getting 2 envenoms in a TB
rigid mango
TB always on CD, if you need to not-env, missplay
fleet anchor
With some sim iterations using TB early and some late
rigid mango
It's not hard, wasn't atleast
fleet anchor
But forcing one over the other is completely neutral
rigid mango
Pre lucid
unreal perch
I mean I'm not even using Lucid atm and I never seem to miss 2
though i probably should start running lucid again
lucid is right after vendetta ya?
rigid mango
You use it at sub 50 energy
unreal perch
kk
shy dust
Also why aren’t you using lucid in the first place?
It’s one of the best essences for us
unreal perch
I've just beeing doing open world stuff so I've been liking flame
rigid mango
but some scenarios I see people having sims saying not to use lucid
unreal perch
I hardly ever need lucid in open world so
shy dust
What essences over it?
unreal perch
I wana get Bote but god I have no interest in pvp islands
tribal marlin
Might be good to refresh dots early before using Punchcard (it seems like the trinket force a refresh during TB which is where comes the 200dps loss) but it's a bit more complicate to dive into xD
shy dust
Just farm bgs for honor
faint harness
you only do 1 pvp island
unreal perch
I need to DO that 1 pvp island still lol
shy dust
Can’t you skip rank 1 and just get rank 2?
shy dust
Or is it required to get rank 1
faint harness
if you have better gear than average you'll crush the pvp island
unreal perch
I don't have better gear than average
shy dust
Either way one pvp island isn’t too bad
faint harness
alright, i've only ever done 1 pvp island in my life
unreal perch
and seeing as weapons are like, the most important thing...
rotund pier
sorry a bit late to the party, so is using lurkers+punchcard RIP now?
unreal perch
not necessarily
strange python
what timing are you getting on the lucid major
unreal perch
and ya I've tried one pvp island and we got rolled
strange python
atm i'm popping it after the first tb has ended
unreal perch
like, my weapons though are straight out embarrassing, I'll admit that
faint harness
you dont really pvp in pvp islands tho
unreal perch
I mean the weapons make pve on islands harder too
faint harness
true
scenic nacelle
Any info on Cyclotronic, friend just told it got hotfixed
unreal perch
but I only just came back to this rogue so, no M+ and no raids to get weapons
faint harness
more news to come soon
unreal perch
maybe if I'm lucky I'll drop a dagger out of mechagon
faint harness
415 base in m+ after season 3
unreal perch
or off sivara
ya just gotta get lucky and drop one lol
should probably try and run a few before raid
any word on WQs ilvl going up? never looked
faint harness
i assume so
vapid scarab
cap conquest twice and you'll get a 375
vapid scarab
im not sure what ilvl is embarassing
unreal perch
oh is it only 2 conquest caps?
faint harness
yea makaveli if you only run 1 use trinket i suppose
strange python
they don't share though do they
at least they didn't
i was using that then plumage
faint harness
they do now
faint harness
after the hotfix
strange python
well that's aids
analog ledge
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
unreal perch
I forgot the first rule of battlegrounds: don't queue as horde
faint harness
yep
unreal perch
well this was a mess
unreal perch
I also admittedly don't know how to assassin pvp that well still
idk about shorter queue times but it's definitely an easier win on NA
faint harness
it was kinda fun to merc on EU
played with a bunch of tryhard hardcore players from horde guilds but we were all on alliance
so crushed the opponents in pretty much every bg
faint harness
Bgs can be fun
vapid pawn
Hey lads & lasses, wanted to ask which pots are the go to for raiding. Seems to be 3 viable solutions, one of whom might be pretty strong (20% crit), as it might change our stat prio. Thoughts?
wooden fog
What's bis pot? Unbridled fury or the crit one?
vapid scarab
you can sim them on raidbots
rigid mango
Unbridled
Even though crit one sims higher
It's buggy
And in the end it's not worth using for that reason
vapid scarab
because of destealth or because of crit%?
rigid mango
It's because of it unstealthes you and it doesn't always stack properly
vapid scarab
well the unstealth thing is an easy fix
rigid mango
Sure, but even then it's just a hassle
just use unbridled, it's still v good
Since it's all buggy af
delicate gyro
Should i go for any specific benthic gear for the incoming raid? Just got back for the patch and im quite lost with this benthic gear
vapid scarab
delicate gyro
ty
analog glade
I sims 2 time same stuff
rigid mango
Yes?
opal minnow
It sims properly, but doesnt function properly.
faint harness
I think the crit pot might be fixed ingame, not 100% tho
Tried it earlier, the debuff went to 20%
analog glade
35,553 DPS > 34,120 DPS Now
rigid mango
Sounds like more than a pot
lunar pelican
might be too early to tell, but how is the punchcard post nerf holding up?
faint harness
Tc updates soon
analog glade
With same stuff
faint harness
Its very hard to tell what they fixed when they dont say anything
analog glade
Tc update soon u say ?
drifting cloud
yes
analog glade
Ok, i wait ^^
fleet anchor
Taking a little longer since I have to fix another issue where the Rogue module isn't interrupting melee AAs on channels
Since it never had to deal with it before 😃
rigid mango
civic palm
Fact.
rigid mango
I RETRACT MY PREVIOUS STATEMENT CRIT POT WORKS PERFECTLY NOW
rigid mango
Focused resolve
dense blaze
Can we do it in stealth
rigid mango
dense blaze
I'll take that as a yes
rigid mango
unreal perch
thanks
tribal marlin
maybe they fixed it, but yesterday it was breaking stealth :/
tribal marlin
Had to do the ninja opener with stealth -0.5 pre pull
tribal marlin
good news, any hint about stealth bug with BotE ?
tribal marlin
I had the bug in m+ too
unreal perch
there was a hotfix today sooo
tribal marlin
let's hope
strange python
Is it better than agi pot?
strange python
cool
vapid pawn
So its 2 crits or 1 crit 1 fury?
rigid mango
Crits all the way baby
opal minnow
pretty sure its fury
opal minnow
I tested a bunch of cleave sims, fury was better in all
mass aoe is probs agi though
elfin plaza
I mean isnt Crit for single target if we dont have to swap due to how boss works?
vapid pawn
what if we use DS with lucid with 2 TTS 3 DD 1 NP and stats like mastery>haste - cirt>vers. Cause of that stupid 20% with pot
elfin plaza
With it being fixed now. Idk I can run it myself later too.
strange python
do we not want the benthic belt with increased threat/damage?
rigid mango
@vapid pawn what do you mean
vapid pawn
DS over vigor
vapid pawn
and the mentioned azerite traits. shouldnt it work better for our burst window?
rigid mango
DS is better if sims tell you it's better
I've seen it being better
Lucid does that.
rigid mango
DS would just make burst windows potentially worse
I suppose
Get shit luck get more punished
vapid pawn
maybe its a GCD thing. dunno if we can squish 4 GCDs in the MA window tbh
strange python
Do we not need the threat/damage belt? Pin says no
wild stone
Assuming you want the socketed benthic belt and wrist just like the boots?
rigid mango
Socketed everything.
wild stone
Hard question, spend pearls on 425 upgrade or trying to get socketed wrist/belt? I have 415 socketed boots and 180 pearls
rigid mango
How is that a hard question
it costs 100 to get it from 420->425
just make it 420 and fish for tohers
spending 100 for 5 ilvls when you've not got the other pieces would be obscene
wild stone
im at 56k .. dreading 100k
vapid scarab
all you can do is bgs and pvp islands
honor from other sources doesn't count
15k is like nothing
wild stone
Just BGs
unreal perch
oh gdi
wild stone
I got 50k maybe a week ago? a few days after honor weekend was over
unreal perch
I was thinking it was just honour overall, I'm an idiot
vapid scarab
it's entirely related to the achievement, and the achievement tells you where you can get it
unreal perch
well not like I was really doing anything else for honour
normal BGs or epic?
I imagine normal would be faster
rapid aurora
hey guys im very confuse with the azshara font's of power trinket ?! i know that bloodmallet say that its our best trink but is it really worth chanelling sec ?
4 sec**
wild stone
Normal seems to be faster
unreal perch
thanks
wild stone
You get stuck in Ashran or a LOOOONG AV you are screwed
unreal perch
you get a lot of stats for that 4 sec channel
and as assassin we have downtime where we can fit a 4 second channel
rapid aurora
oh nice
unreal perch
channel for 4 seconds when energy is regening, have 2500 agi for 30 seconds
so like 1/3 of my agi as a boost lol
warped siren
Does anybody know which potion is going to be best for EP?
unreal perch
crit one it sounds like?
rigid mango
For ST, yes
unreal perch
right
sour wraith
Does the crit one still drop stealth?
rigid mango
No
sour wraith
Oh nice
flint jetty
The crit one bring you out of stealth so I've been using superior agi as pre pot and crit as 2nd. But has anyone noticed the tooltip on crit says up to 20% crit but I've only seen 5%
rigid mango
It works exactly as intended, in my 2 pot test
Take it with a pinch of salt if you may, it's been proven time and time again that different situations make different outcomes
Some zones gave 10% crit, some 5%
Who knows, maybe it's still fucked
wild stone
if I dont have many pearls left, should I prioritize wrist or waist?
rigid mango
Wrists
wild stone
Ty
flint jetty
I was never sure if it was supposed to stack or be a random crit buff from 5 to 20%
rigid mango
It's supposed to stack all the way to 20%
unreal perch
so any confirmation that you can skip rank 1 Bote by just getting 15k honour?
rigid mango
You can't skip r1 afaik
unreal perch
bleh
flint jetty
No they made it so you have to get them in orser
flint jetty
There was a hotfix shortly after patch dropped that made it so you couldn't skip any
unreal perch
I skipped rank 1 worldvein so wasn't sure
rigid mango
so we'll see tomorrow i suppose 
unreal perch
guess I'm stuck winning a pvp island still
stark oxide
Can you macro the punchard trinket to vendetta? or does it not work because of the channeling thing?
unreal perch
it's on the GCD
unreal perch
also that
unreal perch
but even then, punchcard is on the GCD now so it doesn't work out well
stark oxide
yeah i dont have another on use yet so was just wondering how that would work
amber trench
just use it when you're pooling energy
amber trench
most likely first cast won't be until after 2nd tb if you're using lucid major
opal minnow
^
i did some dummy tests with lurkers+lucid+cytronic
i was like 40-50 seconds in before i had downtime to cast it
amber trench
yes it is ranged
you can use it while the boss is at range if you don't have a gap closer or mechanics etc
wild stone
Where in this would I use Blood of the Enemy (R3)?
Master Assassin talented 3DD/3NP
Garrote
Mutilate
Rupture
Vendetta
Vanish
Toxic Blade
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
Mutilate till 4+ combo points
Envenom
stark oxide
you use it with vendetta so my understanding is right after it, before the vanish tb
wild stone
Yeah saw the Pin but i wanted more specific, thanks
tribal marlin
you can either do Vendetta -> TB -> Mut to 5 -> BoTE -> Vanish -> Env -> Mut -> Env
Or do Vendetta -> Vanish TB -> Mut -> Env -> BotE -> etc...
doesn't really change anything
lost horizon
you can do BotE -> TB -> vanish -> env
w/25% crit you'll get 100% in MA window so no need to worry about not getting 2 envs in
wild stone
I think I'll Garrote > Mut > Rupt > BotE > Vendetta > Vanish > TB
stark oxide
plus doesnt vendetta buff bote 30%?
tribal marlin
no it doesnt
lost horizon
garrote mut rupture vendetta mut bote TB vanish env is what i've been doing
can stick another mut before env if you only get 2cp
wild stone
Hmm
tribal marlin
There are 2 possibility basically :
Either you use BotE right after Toxic Blade.
Either you use BoTE just before Vanish with 4cp+
harsh sphinx
gotta try them all i guess
lost horizon
that looks wack
wild stone
Just did your opener squawkk
tribal marlin
Yes that what default APL do because it vanish before using BotE (bote usuage not tied to Vanish usuage). I did some testes and it was equal to use BoTE right before vanish IF you do it with 4cp (check TC research for more info)
wild stone
got up to 115k for a few seconds
lost horizon
yeah, with 25% crit you get 100% crit in MA
plus the 25% crit dmg
it's honestly pretty dirty
unreal perch
you're making me want bote more and more
lost horizon
i haven't messed with the opener in APL though so
i don't have sims to back it up unfortunately 🤷
fleet anchor
@tribal marlin Are you sure that is the default APL? The APL I'm looking at should always use BotE when TB+Vendetta is up immediately
wild stone
I enjoy BotE but its rank 3 compared to my rank 2 lucid
fleet anchor
"blood_of_the_enemy,if=debuff.vendetta.up&(!talent.toxic_blade.enabled|debuff.toxic_blade.up|debuff.vendetta.remains<=10)|target.time_to_die<=10"
tribal marlin
Yes but it also don't cast BotE during MA windows
This is a Essence condition
general essence condition
lost horizon
should cast before MA
fleet anchor
Oh this is for MA
tribal marlin
so the APL to Vanish TB Mut Env then BoTE
lost horizon
tbh idk how using BotE after vanish isn't a loss
fleet anchor
I mean it seems reasonable to wait for MA to fall off
lost horizon
but why not do it before vanish?
fleet anchor
I'd have to compare but doubt it's a gain to use while MA is up
lost horizon
i guess if you get crit procs or have significantly higher than 25% crit you overcap
fleet anchor
I mean it's about the relative benefit as well
lost horizon
but getting the bote crit for the full duration of your TB AND MA window within TB seems good doesn't it?
and having the 25% crit dmg for the MA window honestly sounds like the best way to use it imo
fleet anchor
If you are at 75% crit.. gaining 25% is a 33% increase to your crit rate.. if you use it at 25% crit, it's a 100% increase to your crit rate
unreal perch
25% more crit is a lot more noticable at 50% crit than at 75%
er
you know what I mean
lost horizon
sure, but if you use it after MA
unreal perch
poor wording
lost horizon
you don't have it for the full TB window
tribal marlin
this is the sim I did earlier
it do exactly what you guys suppose to (bote just before vanish)
wild stone
Wow. I'm at 34.6k
tribal marlin
forget about the number just look at relatives
wild stone
Ok
tribal marlin
so basically the TL:DR is : Do as you want, but make sure that all 10sec of BOTE debuff is inside vendetta
wild stone
What about Vendetta -> TB -> Mut to 5 -> BoTE -> Vanish -> Env -> Mut -> Env
What's that sim at?
tribal marlin
That's exactly what Vanish into Seething Rage is
harsh sphinx
tried the default apl with MA, felt kind of weird bote after the first envenom but i'll get to try them all out tomorrow
fleet anchor
Basically maximizing the effective relative value during Vendetta offsets the value within TB. It's a lot of tradeoffs about efficiency so the order is not as important as you might think.
lost horizon
Yeah I mean I'm surprised it's even, but I'll still probably prefer bote before vanish just for consistent Crits in the MA window
Whiffing an MA mut sucks ass
ruby karma
!play i wanna ride the zaboni
wild stone
agreed squawk
Sitting at 37.6% crit with kimbuls, lustrous, force multiplier and quick nav simming highest
harsh sphinx
for M+? seems like a lot of crit
wild stone
19.9
fleet anchor
Yes, I can see the argument for reducing variance, MA is frustrating obviously 😄
wild stone
but thats what the sim is telling me
arctic walrus
can you link the sim
fleet anchor
Then again, that's probably why I'll just play Subterfuge anyway. I honestly hate MA hah
lost horizon
@fleet anchor end of the day if they're even, you get to play feelycraft
harsh sphinx
the subterfuge opener with ss just feels clean and consistent
lost horizon
With bote I actually like MA tbh but with raid pieces we'll likely be using subterfuge anyways
So many with SS
Gonna have to luck out on m+ pieces
fleet anchor
I mean the other thing to consider about the MA and BotE window is if you are using crit potion
Because that's super waste if you are
wild stone
Noted
lost horizon
Ahhh yeah, I mean tbh I haven't looked at new pots
tribal marlin
Maybe one day we'll play Nightstalker ❤
wild stone
@arctic walrus Did you notice anything with the sim? I know 37% crit seems high but the sim is telling me to use crit gem/enchant for two slots
lost horizon
@fleet anchor is the Crit pot the default?
Also @wild stone can you screenshot your stats? You must have nonexistent mastery/vers or something
wild stone
fleet anchor
Mystler set the default potion to Focused Resolve
tribal marlin
mmmh maybe that's why I can't find any winn using Vanish with Seething Rage, it's because of the 20% crit making overcapping crit hard
fleet anchor
Yeah may be worth looking at other potions in that case, I was out of town when he did the potion testing so not sure how close they were
lost horizon
@tribal marlin can you run your comparison with just agi pot?
I would but on mobile aha
arctic walrus
The sim looks normal I just don't get your insanely high crit that's all lol
harsh sphinx
same 
wild stone
Yeah 37 is bigly
arctic walrus
by the way, you have both zandalar and EP buffs enabled just a heads up
wild stone
shat
chrome current
which p-pots are you using for st/aoe?? focused resolve siming higheer for me
wild stone
Damn thats a lot of sockets. Nice trinket dude!! If I got that sim I'd just stick with vigor for familiarity
arctic walrus
With 28% crit mut isn't that reliable and sometimes It feels like a drag to x3 mut then env
outer sand
Are we using force multiplier for enchants? I can't see any in pins
civic palm
Same as always, SIM for your best option.
tribal marlin
Seems like with agility potion it's better to use Bote just before vanish with 4+ cp, but you shouldn't use Agility potion
lost horizon
@arctic walrus you wouldn't ever 3x mut unless you're playing DS
arctic walrus
I know, I was
lost horizon
Gotchya @tribal marlin appreciate it, that makes a lot more sense to me
wild stone
what if youre sitting at 37% crit.. still use crit pot?
lost horizon
Sim it
harsh sphinx
thought crit pot was breaking stealth, read that somewhere here
lost horizon
Go to the options in the bottom drop down on raidbots to compare
stoic glen
Hello all. Anyone else getting their sims telling them to stack mastery over crit/haste? First time ever having my sim show me that and wasn't sure if that is correct, or if possibly wrong settings.
stone crescent
Yeah haste has gone to my lowest stat since I got lucid
With all essences at rank 2, which ones do you guys think should be put into major and 1 minor slots for raid opening?
Wanted blood the enemy but I'm ages away from 3
stoic glen
Ahhh I see. That would make sense. Any way to change the essence in Raidbots to see if that would make a difference? Don't have bote yet to just equip it and change it that way (need to work on my PVP haha)
elfin plaza
!essence
prisma monolithBOT
Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd
high ruin
mine is mastery aswell
tribal marlin
If you have full haste gem you can have haste lower to other stat
but I did a sim earlier with Versa gem and it was a loss. As soon as I remove my haste gems, haste came 1st again
high ruin
I mean like I have 0 haste gems and my sims recommend mastery over everything
tribal marlin
Do you have Crit boots ?
ornate meteor
So you guys still use the mecha trinket on opener after the ma window for ma talent?
tribal marlin
Do you have pocketdevice ?
vestal carbon
how is the new engineer helm ?
tribal marlin
If you talk about Pocketdevice trinket @ornate meteor you should use it after vendetta while pooling (basically when below 75 energy and after refreshing dots)
ornate meteor
I see, woke up this morning and saw this nerf, feelsbadman
vestal carbon
what nerf?
tribal marlin
It still strong for assasination
stoic glen
@tribal marlin I had full haste gems and enchants, around 25% haste. I switched everything over to mastery and it still shows a weight of 3.70 to mastery and 3.29 to haste. I can only assume it is that way because I have Lucid Dreams as well as Lurker's causing the weights to be so different.
tribal marlin
yes some people reported major lucid did that
high ruin
haste will probably be best once we start using the other essence
vivid hill
am i missing something is lucid r2->r3 just leech?
lost horizon
Minor effect gets buffed
distant mist
verse
vivid hill
dont they separate the minor/major in bloodmallet sims or naw?
civic palm
The first node is Major+Minor in game, so it should be on charts as such.
vivid hill
gotcha
woeful prawn
What azerite are people shooting for i raids? My guild is asking me to put a priority list up for azerite but most of the combos of traits seem medium.
Peeps expecting to play MA/DD build or Subterfuge?
I said M+ for chest and shoulders and got told off lol
civic palm
You're expecting to play what you play the best, or what SIMs better.
woeful prawn
Forever helpful
stuck knoll
Most of the azerite for sin is pretty awful
civic palm
There is like, 2 pieces in there with good M+ traits as far as people know.
stuck knoll
Helm off the 2nd last boss
civic palm
and that's out of the what, 8 fucking items.
woeful prawn
Ty @stuck knollthats what id previously put but my officers wanted something further with what i want for raid
I just didnt want any of it and was wondering if anyone else had some bright ideas
stuck knoll
I guess you can snag some free off spec or m+ pieces then
civic palm
There's no real good combo for Raiding Traits atm other than the Zaq helmet ye.
stuck knoll
Because that’s really all the resy of the stuff is good for
civic palm
Unless TTK + SS becomes real good.
The two TTK + SS pieces are good for M+ so long you get an EB + ??? piece as the third.
woeful prawn
Aye which was what I'd noticed, I did avtually do my research first and came to the conclusion of everything but Zaq helm was meh. But wanted some confirmation
civic palm
For raiding yeah so long TTK doesn't become good. There's still a good amount of use for SS though.
real bay
pocket card still worth using with lurkers after nerf to on use?
urban plover
Loyal to the End trait not lookin to be any good?
urban plover
ouch
civic palm
That is... shockingly shit.
drifting cloud
I assume thats with 0 other people having it
civic palm
Yeah I am not sure how it's modeled really.
There was some speculation on how long the buff lasted/etc.
But I do not think that anything came out of that.
urban plover
ALso gets super buff if somebody dies, although you're not going to be banking on that during prog
woeful prawn
Clearly you havent seen my guilds prog. Trait would be amazing for me.
stone crescent
What are the 2 good assa raid azerite pieces? Wondering what I should be rolling on
woeful prawn
Helm from Zaq
urban plover
I usually roll on dagger bosses, since nobody can trade you weapons
woeful prawn
^
stone crescent
Tyty
quiet crescent
Looks good.
I personally dont like dungeon slice. I prefer multi boss sims for m+
nimble tartan
i wish we used deeper strat
it sims better rn for me by like 80 with rank 2 lucid major rank 2 bote minor but once u get rank 3 bote major and swap it to major vigor beat sit by 200 again 
quiet crescent
Is bote even gonna be used after the mechagon essence comes out?
stuck knoll
Well vision isn’t that good tbh
quiet crescent
Ahh. Havent kept up much on sin since I havent raided since we killed jaina.
So bote and lucid for raid?
stuck knoll
Guardian will likely be the best for raid
vapid scarab
life force
lament abyss
yeah
sharp viper
minor lucid is better than the major part of the essence, not worth using it in the major slot imho
quiet crescent
Its surprising that vision isn't better.
vapid scarab
you desync vendetta from vanish so it's not very surprising
lament abyss
need 9 aqueous reliquary to make it
vapid scarab
and luckily raidbots exists so opinions don't matter
if lucid major sims higher for your character then you use lucid major
quiet crescent
I had no opinion just a wild guess
thorn fjord
when would we pop lucid on burst rotation? after casting your first env after tb?
lament abyss
theres some info in the pins about that
thorn fjord
ah ty 😃
vagrant urchin
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wbg3in1M67M7HUYuogiU3Y i'm pretty new to rogues, specially sin rogues, is that ok or what should i change? (already changed to the new jewels)
rotund pier
I noticed Punchcard simming better again... where would you put it in your opener(using it with lurkers)?
civic palm
When you are not under the effects of Vendetta, Lucid Major, Toxic Blade, and have a Rupture and/or Garrote that will last for the next 4 seconds.
rotund pier
so at the end most likely
civic palm
like 44 seconds in
rotund pier
ah ok ,so decent dps during a "pool" downtime essentially
civic palm
It's extremely good DPS where it fits into your rotation :3
rotund pier
😉
civic palm
:3
rotund pier
Does it share a CD with lurkers?(sorry not at my comp at to test)
unreal perch
one puts the other on a 20s CD
rotund pier
Hmm, ok
vapid scarab
not like it matters because you use it ~50s into the pull anyway
rotund pier
Right
stone crescent
With all rank 2 essences, what should be used in minor and major for raid opening?
wise whale
from herodamage it looks like iris and lucid if i am not reading the chart wrong
wise whale
thats true so sim yourself
tepid bramble
anyone know why on raidbots i try simming force multiplier but it doesnt show after simming?
wise whale
what is shadowmeld?
solid nova
Night elf racial
tepid bramble
oh hey thanks mac lmao
drifting cloud
where did they go
vapid scarab
it's fake
long hill
🐷
solid nova
@long hill Shit troll is shit
royal lantern
because its called warcraftdevs right 
long hill
Noice deleting
royal lantern
almost as bad as the 4chan leaks that go trought all the time
long hill
@solid nova i did 👌
royal lantern
''im a low/mid stage worker in a massive company and know everything that happens in all games + the emotinal stand people have with it, trust me, its a leak!''
solid nova
Its almost like, you could check their actual twitter 
real bay
trust me I'm an expert 
royal lantern
and btw, even without the effects bethnic gear would be really strong cus you can roll it with a socket sooo....🤷
solid nova
Yup
proud prawn
focused resolve is simming higher for me. Am I able to pre-pot with it though since it casts on a target? Will it unstealth me / will it pre-pull the boss? or is it safe to pre-pot with
stuck knoll
Oh well then I suppose it’s fine
proud prawn
so good to pre-pot with or pre-pot with agi and second pot with resolve?
sterile ocean
so how does memory of the Lucid work in the rotation?
hazy iron
use when below 40% energy toward end of vendetta last I heard
sterile ocean
ahh
hazy iron
or as required
sterile ocean
isnt there like a weak aura that could trash when to use it or something 😛
would be hard to keep track
proud prawn
you dont need a weakaura just look at your energy bar lol
hazy iron
i mean, you'll know when to use it naturally
sterile ocean
im not gonna constently look at my health and energy
hazy iron
if you're not managing your energy, then i dunno what to say
sterile ocean
i mainly focus on the fight only for raids i dont look at my heath and stuff
stuck knoll
Use when below 50 energy
sterile ocean
i never use health pot
long hill
Is there a macro for not stopping the Mechagon trinket during the channel? i am always stopping the last tick of it, with mutilate
sterile ocean
i look at my feet?
hazy iron
not even a good troll, won't monitor energy, but wants to monitor a weak aura that tells them when to use LD
sterile ocean
already found one
proud prawn
if you just want something that shows when it's off CD and the reamining CD after using it, I made one for my trinkets + a couple of the essences that includes lucid
vapid scarab
@proud prawn if you aren't using resolve then you're using fury
vapid scarab
you just use cyclo when you have downtime
it's still good
usually ~45s into the pull
magic plover
so u lose vendetta dmg increase?
stuck knoll
You don’t want to use it with vend anyway
Vend doesn’t work with it
So long as you don’t lose a cast of it it’s fine to use 2 on use as long as one is a damage as opposed to a buff
lusty narwhal
Is there a reason why the azshara trinket doesnt appear in droptimizer yet or just not finalized
magic plover
what makes Lurker's so good trinket for Assa
winter moss
mastery
stuck knoll
The huge amount of mastery you gain that can perfectly pair with vendetta
It’s also for a really long time
vapid scarab
trinket is busted for almost every strength/agi spec
magic plover
do you have to use it before initial garrote? does it matter?
stuck knoll
Anything with a half decent mastery
vestal wren
from koji's conditon:
dont use during tb, vendetta or while lucid major is up
use it with at 80 or less energy
only when rupture remains up
stuck knoll
Talking about cyclo right fuu
vestal wren
yes
winter moss
/use 13 (for upper trinket slot) 14 (for lower trinket slot)
/cast Vendetta``` @magic ploveri always use /cast 13 /cast 14
peak saffron
his macro works for every trinket
ember rover
The macro from above is better as you don't have to worry about changing your macro if you swap trinkets.
vapid scarab
it's more annoying typing the exact trinket name and if you get a new trinket it doesn't automatically swap over
vestal wren
i also use /cast Heart Essence 😛
winter moss
most of the time i have several trinkets and if they are on use i put them in the upper trinket slot if want to pair them with vendetta
magic plover
yeah thats handy
frigid briar
Did rustbolt trinket get fixed?
vestal wren
still very good tho
nimble tartan
sims quite well still just use it when u dont have any buff up basically
frigid briar
You cant channel and use abilities now though right? From what im hearing
vapid scarab
you use it ~45s in when you have downtime
when vendetta and TB are not up and rup/gar have >4s left
frigid briar
So it was fixed. The channel wasnt suppose to allow abilities, probably why other channels broke it
vapid scarab
sure blizz dev
peak saffron
still shouldn't use it if I'm already using Lurker's right? double on use seems clunky and awkward
vapid scarab
why does double on use seem awkward when you don't use cyclo until 45s into the pull anyway
peak saffron
I'm gonna stop asking questions when you're around
nimble tartan
its still good even if its on a 20 sec delay
since u use it when u have downtimwe the delay is not even that bad
and per use its still a strong damage per cast ability
so u live with the double on use
crystal sparrow
Hey here ! Sorry if this is already written somewhere , but in wich bentic part should i invest ? I read only socket proc part but wich one ? Crit boots? Frost proc ?
vapid scarab
peak saffron
and belt @crystal sparrow
nimble tartan
both belts if u a big brain
crystal sparrow
Damn the pins ! Ty
And with Lucid Dream it’s « normal » that raidbot stat priority is now « go full mastery / versa » right ?
vapid scarab
if that's what your sim says
crystal sparrow
Okay, many thanks !
tropic ocean
nimble tartan
dude bote major when bbi procs with boots POG
u can legit open 100k now
if u get lucky
bitter garnet
stuck knoll
@peak saffron it’s fine to use as you don’t want to pair it with vendetta anyway
As long as you don’t lose a cast it’s good
vapid scarab
~45s yes, you can look at the conditions in #tc-updates
steep obsidian
so is it right that you should hold off opening cache until you get first 2 ranks to get rank 3 vision quicker?
that seems like something they should change coz that is annoying
solid nova
Nothing confirmed, but general consensus is no point in not doing it #wow-general
austere wadi
So benthic azerite armor can only upgrade to 425 and is 100% fine to DE right? They won't be scaled up to compete with raid azerite in the foreseeable future?
solid nova
No one knows, but as it stands no
austere wadi
Alright thanks Rich
I got lucky on wrists today
mailed a benthic
and popped socketed frost wrist
😄
faint harness
is 45 second use only with lucid major? or why is it around that specific timing
solid nova
Conditions in #tc-updates
scarlet sequoia
how do you insert the conditions? just at the end of the simc thing or?
austere wadi
Would you guys say it's smartest to hard boost my Ori's frost wrists to 425 or try and roll a socketed pair of boots first? Basically a question of should I aim to have the option of boosting either or should I just take the strong upgrade a have open now, and hope I don'et get 430 bracer's tomorrow.
solid nova
They should be live on the Nightly version mate
scarlet sequoia
ah cool
strange python
Soooo Cyclotron useless now?
solid nova
Nope
Still good
Different conditions on its use
Nightly version of raidbots has it implemented so you can re-sim
strange python
If I am reading that right from #tc-updates use it: Dots up > Vendetta > Vanish (with Master assassin) > Trinket?
solid nova
It's not used during TB, Vendetta or Lucid
Used with >80 Energy and when Ruptures up.
From Fuu's decipher of it earlier
Around 45 seconds mark
From the APL
^
austere wadi
I got the boots/wrists now. How worth is the Aberation belt, plz don't say 2%lmao but is it worth farming pearls to get in your guys opinion? 2 bosses of 2% dam?
scarlet sequoia
2%
austere wadi
🤣
mental obsidian
Sim it
Depends on what u have already
But waist is easy to get tbh
I got it 1st try on 2 chars lol
With socket
austere wadi
Ahh good point
solid nova
There's only 2 belts to get
austere wadi
only 2 items in loot pool
solid nova
So its easier to obtain
chrome cedar
rolled a socketed fathomstalkers wrists, keep or keep trying for ori's?
austere wadi
great point thanks a lot for reminding me of that
terse dove
why dont you sim it
you have all the benthyc gear available on droptimizer
just sim it
most likely gloves will be a bigger upgrade
austere wadi
And I will always sim for it but the value of the belt will change drastically between now and when I get to those bosses on Mythic I imagine so I was just looking for speculation on pearl spending more so I guess.
Like I will probably choose to get my boots to 425 first but then try and snag a belt as well.
native fable
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night vale
i mean i got boots and belt and spent 200 manapearls yesterday rolling for wrists, and didnt get them but thats RNG
now i changed my strategy, buy gear on my alts and save all pearls on my main to upgrade
terse dove
should have done that from start : )
mental obsidian
200 is nothing lul
austere wadi
So Vim's isn't simming too well I noticed. Any particular reason? Is the damage scaling just shit since it looks like a tank item?
night vale
@mental obsidian yeah for sure, i meant just 200 on wrists, i already spent loads getting boots and belt :p
hidden plinth
https://www.wowhead.com/spell=304409/repeat-performance what is your opinion of this skill it will suck as Assa but still better compare to the other speccs
royal lantern
immagine playing arcane mage on that fight
but yeha, sin can work around it
poisoned knife, detection if it works etc....
scarlet sequoia
detection has always worked on stuff like that so would be surprised if it didnt
tiny arrow
royal lantern
dh has more then 4 abilitys right?
hidden plinth
Maybe we can do fok but yeah it's a damage lose
royal lantern
upbeat geode
you can use your crit potion to counter this, then you wont have to cast 2 mutilates in a row
royal lantern
sin is probably 1 of the specs that will not suffer THAT much from it
crystal vault
got blood of the enemy rank3 lucid 2, sim say i should play blood in major. How do i use it? on CD or delay it for vendetta what sounds pretty stupid?
hearty junco
what benthic gear is most worth upgrading (i have all with socket)
crystal vault
sorry ^^
hearty junco
sorry, i meant i have those three, in what order should i uppgrade them
Maybe get all to same level
royal lantern
boots first
solid nova
Gear compare sim them and take the biggest upgrade
I intend to go Boots > Wrists > Belt
mental obsidian
Did they nerf benthic gear?
solid nova
No
mental obsidian
Someone was talking on stream
undone pasture
Isnt the boot/belt bonus the same on all ilvls but bracers change?
royal lantern
more crit dmg is huge for sin cus that means all your dots do more dmg on crits too
hearty junco
Are you getting them all to a certain level before that? i got boots 420 and waist 415 , wrist 405. Figure if i get all around 420
royal lantern
wrist is still ''only'' a proc
hearty junco
ok, then i have the "right" thinking
crystal comet
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hearty junco
I see there is no mention of benthic gloves, how come?
inner tree
guys i'm trying to sim myself with top gear for gems and somehow it doesn't replace any gems saying it's my top gear
even tho i still have +40 gems
hearty junco
you need to press the little button above gems
faint harness
dont have lucid 
i mean.. lurkers
but its still better than my 3rd best trinket by about 700 dps
solid nova
@scarlet sequoia I mean for that dps gain you can take whatever tbh
If i can ditch the cyclo i will
Awkward af to use
scarlet sequoia
i liked using it and my secondaries looked good
solid nova
@inner tree That sim is replacing your gems in the samples below
Your equipped gear literally is the better choice
faint harness
like if you just think of it as a filler its not that awkward to use to me
hidden plinth
There will be no benethic nerfs?
faint harness
gold investment gives - dps
inner tree
xd
nimble tartan
Tfw you forced to run a world vein minor 😡
inner tree
yea feels bad to run the bis right
nimble tartan
Yeah dude
solid nova
Providing you get use out of it
nimble tartan
It’s a beta talent I’m tryna put on some chad abilities
Helping my team is stinky bro it’s all about empowering myself
inner tree
maybe as range but as melee i don't see any reason to not run it
inner tree
if your guild has a more than 20 iq they will force people to use it
nimble tartan
Tbh tho even with heavy movement when u get rank 3 and a critical mass of people use it you’ll just have em up everywhere
inner tree
yea as melee it's pog
nimble tartan
the whole room gonna be crystal
inner tree
just a pain in the ass if they force u to use it right now instead of when u have the other minor slot
not having lucid minor is a bummer
nimble tartan
it’s good af right now for me already even at 3
oh I’m running lucid major it’s bis for me
inner tree
in that case yea
nimble tartan
Rank 3 lucid major and vein minor pepehands
inner tree
i feel u i actually farm'ed for blood rank 3 and i hated every second of it
solid nova
@jagged aurora Depends on your sims
nimble tartan
just 5 stacked with some boys
distant lava
It's been going back and forth for me
hidden plinth
Bote will be good for m+
inner tree
bote major lucid minor seems way higher for me like +600 dps
jagged aurora
distant lava
you have worldvein rank 2 ?
nimble tartan
for me its not close lucid major vein minor at 3 people wearing it sims already like 400 ahead
distant lava
cause that seems off
solid nova
At 3+ for WV R2 it sims better for me by 400+
inner tree
let me resim it but yea i have rank 2
solid nova
Yeah Omr, same.
hidden plinth
It doesn't really matter if it Sims better for you, your raiddps will go up if you use it with your mates
nimble tartan
with the power of azerite we can do anything
inner tree
damn if i farmed bote for nothing i'm gonna kms
distant lava
I mean I want to see it in action cause for me it looks like a sim trap
plus getting out of stealth is yikes, I ran with sin rogue that had it in m+ he kept getting unstealthed
nimble tartan
tfw we gotta be weirdos and pot 1 sec b4 and then stealth with crit pots....
inner tree
it sims pretty good for m+
distant lava
dude you move you get nothing
nimble tartan
ye but think about rl aplication u aint chillin in a place for a long time
distant lava
and you're moving in m+
nimble tartan
u chain pullling crystals gettin left behind
hidden plinth
You can't really Sim sins for m+
nimble tartan
mayube on high tyrannical bosses u get value but then again u losing so much in trash
its forsure not woth
1 slot already gonna be taken by insta kill beam
inner tree
rank 3 has increased range and if everyone in group runs it you pretty much have it 100%
but if it destealth you that's ass yae
you think beam is a better major than blood ?
for m+
hearty junco
@solid nova Is there a reason why the gloves are not listed as benthic we should aquire?
warped shoal
What site or program do you guys use for siming the essences for your character?
inner tree
raidbots
warped shoal
@inner tree how do i include essences in the sim?
solid nova
@hearty junco Gloves are fine, there's just 5 different pairs, so chances of rolling realistically for one decently is harder than the rest
inner tree
and copy paste in the site
warped shoal
@inner tree ahh you change it ingame and sim all of them
thx mate
inner tree
np
yea idk about worldvein alot of fight are movement heavy
i can't see it being good before rank 3
inner tree
is that the one that destealth you ?
outer kernel
i heard they nerfed the mechagon trinket is that right?
outer kernel
still viable?
solid nova
Yup, if you run the Nightly version of raidbots the changes are made already
Still sims solid for me
dire spoke
glacial jasper
It’s still more dps for 2.5 seconds than I do single target
55-60k dps for 2.5 sec
solid nova
Theres more to it than that, the new conditions basically put it as a filler
woeful prawn
I feel ive been jebaited into benthic spamming.
crisp steppe
How
woeful prawn
So many people in my guild have 2x socketed bis benthic items. Im currently up to 109 pairs of boots with no socketed akana's
ripe bramble
I heard mentions of ninja nerf socket chance, but who knows
dark crag
Would also be my guess
celest swan
kinda ahve to come to it agian unbridled fury brigns us out of stealth still i could have some value as infight potion?
dark crag
Many i know got theirs with the first benthic tokens after release
woeful prawn
Nah all my guildies got them tiday and yesterday
dark crag
I had 20 boots in bag and not 1 socket
woeful prawn
Im getting sockets. Just not on the good ones.
tawny valve
It’s literally just rng. Got the socketed boots after two tries and have rolled 200 or so pearls worth of bracers with no socketed ori’s
inner tree
can you macro your azerite essence ? tried /cast and /use doesn't work
distant lava
problem is they are on gcd
so if you pair it with another on gcd spell it won't work
ripe bramble
@tawny valve to be fair there's 6 bracer variations vs 4 boots, but yeah
inner tree
yea so u can't macro it with vendetta rip
real bay
just a separate bind for essence
tacit knoll
any notable changes for essences in ST scenarios?
empty badge
is the benthic gear simming correctly? I have the damage belt and crit damage boots at 425 with a socket, and for some classes ive heard these are better than 445's
dusty vigil
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ripe bramble
Apparently if you do a +7 before opening your weekly M+ chest you can get rank 2 essence, as well as credit towards rank 3. Is this true?
Two separate dungeons? or just a 7
Thanks
mighty elm
is the trinket simming correctly after the nerf?
bronze kelp
changes for trinket are in the nightly build
vestal wren
its not confirmed, so its speculation
peak quarry
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mighty elm
what, its speculations that its updated in the nightly?
urban frigate
is it just a tooltip bug for the focused resolve potion? only says 5%
rigid mango
It's working atm
devout gazelle
guess the mecha trinket is bit crap after the nerfs right?
urban frigate
cool
rigid mango
It was for me yesterday atleast
But it's been proven that different zones impact the pot differently
urban frigate
ohh really
rigid mango
So if anyone here's bored/doing dungeons/raids
Do buy some and test it out to see that it's working well pre raiding
When it was and max-fuckednes
It gave 10% on uunat but 5% everywhere else
No clue why, but it was janky as hell
Worked entirely as intended for me on dummies yesterday, no stealth breaking and full 20% crit
vestal carbon
what azerite piece is good in the new dungeon?
urban frigate
yeah stealth isnt breaking for me now and its 100% crit in opener with crit gear and MA
so maybe working as intended
rigid mango
Cool
upbeat hazel
do i use double force multiplier?
upbeat hazel
thanks
inner tree
helm is good from za qul
rigid mango
He was asking from new dungeon
ripe bramble
@hollow wraith Do we know if you get more Focused Life Anima depending on what M+ lvl you did?
rigid mango
😄
ripe bramble
For example if someone didn't do a +15 before today's reset, can they compensate this week by doing an even higher one to be able to get 15 next week to make rank 3
inner tree
there is azerite in mechagon didn't even know lol
inner tree
oh 415 ilvl rip
inner tree
so crit pot are bis now ? no more janky stuff ?
craggy notch
Do you guys know which essence you should play with in a raid?
high ruin
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craggy notch
thx
valid spoke
Are people playing both Cyclonic blast punch card trinket and Lurkers gift?
vestal carbon
is that rank 3 essence is m+ are bis?
inner tree
what
stray imp
How is the mecha trinket performing after the nerf?
inner tree
