#assassination
severe bough
If im understanding this chart correctly
the ray of aids isnt really simming that highly for us, right?
i mean, yeah that plus a yellow card is strong
but like
fathom wyvern
425 is the max benthic armor ilvl right?
rigid mango
Ray of aids?
faint harness
400 secondary stats + that
pulsar hazel
Cyclonic blast I assume
tidal stirrup
faint harness
most have 4.xx sec stats right now
severe bough
i dont have it yet
severe bough
because i've been grinding blood of the enemy
so im being shamed for not being on mechagon for hours like the rest of my guild
faint harness
Who is shaming you
faint harness
Switch guild
vocal kelp
if its shit, why to they bother if ur on mechagon or not?
severe bough
i mean
faint harness
its not shit
junior flume
I haven't found anything on the mecha trinket, dps values and such. Is there a good place for this?
severe bough
It's not that i dont want to do mechagon, it's that i inverted my priorities, i'm gonna startwith the grind tomorrow
i wll get that piece of junk in like 10-14 days at most
faint harness
well the card itself is on herodamage, but it lacks secondary stat card
severe bough
yeah i imagine
it would be 2nd best with the secondary stat card right?
im using kimbuls 415 and a 400 plumage
so it's not that i have crap trinkets
i wish i had a lurkers
but no luck
faint harness
well lets just assume u have 4 dps per secondary stat
the cards usually have about 400 secondary stats
thats 1600 dps from stats alone
add the 1300 from the red card
and you got 2900 dps from a trinket
check the chart, theres only one trinket at this level
and thats azshara
font of power
severe bough
Yes, im looking at it right now
hmm, so im losing an approximate of 1 - 1.5k dps?
it is significant then
i have no regrets though
faint harness
for now
severe bough
cause, well i did have fun on bgs
faint harness
not everything is about numbers
severe bough
and im gonna use that essence to push and sell keys
faint harness
having fun is important
severe bough
Yeah
i was going coocoo for bg but it was a pleasant experience, for the most part
you see, i just started playing rogue like, 2.5 months ago
so i was SHIT at pvp
legit, unable to use a SS macro shit
so i knew i needed to at least be decent at some point
now its not that i turned into a glad caliber player but i guess i could get to 1.8- 2k rating on next season
and that's good enough for now, for me
faint harness
glad it helped you, practice makes perfect
severe bough
yeah
eh, i hope they dont make this a thing
it'd be stupid to gquit over a stupid overbudgeted trinket
spice surge
Its not that broken, yes its better than its ilvl
But the 430+ trinkets will not be smashed by it
severe bough
i guess im gonna need to grind for a plumage that much harder
a big plumage, i mean
spice surge
That, the azshara trinket or a lurker
For pvp though the trinket is pretty bonkers, it wouldnt suprise me if they nerfed it for that
scarlet sequoia
its already 50% in pvp
faint harness
and disabled in arenas
scarlet sequoia
its not disabled what
severe bough
i guess i'll join a CoS pug today and tomorrow
severe bough
maybe i'll get lucky
ripe nimbus
It's not
real bay
it feels so shit to use i wont feel bad when i get something to replace it
faint harness
if you havent used abilities during the channel, then yes
green saffron
hi, does anyone got weird stealth bug again? my rogue constantly break out of stealth, even out of combat.
placid dawn
maybe its the follower damagin enemies or something like that
spice surge
Worldvein boon?
faint harness
the follower must learn when to vanish
junior flume
Yea... hate followers so much
green saffron
no, I'm standing still in area near Trainer Dummy, and using Worldvein boon, ye.
as Minor slot.
faint harness
it procs every few seconds right
spice surge
?
faint harness
1-18 
green saffron
oh snap. thought they fixed it? read somewhere in note.
quaint sequoia
which Benthic piece should I go for first? boots, belt or wrists?
faint harness
they say they fix a lot of things
marble tartan
What should a rogue for single target prefer: Mastery or crit or haste
rigid mango
Simming.
The 3 are all very close
it depends on your personal character and what you're wearing/using to identify what you need most of next
marble tartan
is this normal lel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/eSw5hSH7xShAMNR2vpSZt3
versa > crit > mastery lel
rigid mango
Yeah quite
solemn meadow
no
spice surge
Yes, all stats are basicly even
solemn meadow
oh I thought you mean
rigid mango
They're all so close
solemn meadow
your sim
spice surge
Gear shaming 
marble tartan
is blood really better wtf
faint harness
its rank 3 my dude
spice surge
Just do a topgear and you'll see
drifting cloud
you have flame in major spot
dont think thats ever better than lucid or?
atleast at r2
solemn meadow
ye
drifting cloud
and the rustbolt trinket is just free 1k dps
quaint sequoia
only upgrade benthic gear with sockets right?
strange python
what u prefer for m+ lucid and flame or flame and mino lucid?
faint harness
yes kakan
fierce comet
is there somewhere in this discord where all the bis benthic gear is shown
solemn meadow
you want boots with crit dmg bracers with frost dmg
belt with dmg to aberations
and gloves with frost dmg
strange python
lol we are going 4 benedict items?
solemn meadow
thats just all the parts that are kinda usefull
imo boots > bracers > belt
like the top 3
drifting cloud
last 3 or something
maybe not court, depending what you have/get elsewhere
but last 2 are probably an easy coin
marble tartan
thats better lel https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/wRQULxE6MSxjpNMvnzvzkN
spice surge
What else are you gonna coin though
marble tartan
feel like world veins is better with more people using it right?
solid nova
Yeah
drifting cloud
just because you have 7 coins doesnt mean you have to use 5 on heroic 1st week I guess
spice surge
What
tribal marlin
I definitly use at least 3 coin for a 430 dagger :3
spice surge
It all depends on how fast you expect the progress
cobalt pelican
yeah, pretty much
i think i'm probably going to commit like 4 coins to heroic or something first week
ripe bramble
If you're gonna no life mythic+ you'll find a 430 dagger there first
cobalt pelican
leaves enough room incase the first mythic bosses aren't hard to not feel terrible
sinful island
What wep enchant should assa use atm?
cobalt pelican
force+beststat, sim
sinful island
force multiplier and a start enchant?
cobalt pelican
you can't get a 430 dagger first week from m+, and it's not like the coins are going to be particularly valuable in mythic unless you're killing like 5 first week
quaint sequoia
is alch trink any good?
rigid mango
no
cobalt pelican
the most you gain by holding coins if you're not a super fast prog guild is more flexibility on WHAT hc boss you coin
yes force multiplier and your best stat enchant
spice surge
2
sinful island
Thank you Nameless.
cobalt pelican
yea 2 again 1st and 6th boss
tribal marlin
I don't know what to coin actually
cobalt pelican
probably just going to do 1st/6th/azshara+1 for me
tribal marlin
having a 430+ dagger for mythic opening is good
cobalt pelican
likely blackwater since the chest seems '''okay'''
tribal marlin
I think imma just coin 1st boss 3 or 4 time
drifting cloud
you can always coin the same boss more than once
cobalt pelican
meh, i guess i can decide that mid raid
marble tartan
Guys do you know if you can get the rank 2 recipe for Vision of perfection in the first week?
warm mulch
I'd say save a coin for first boss for sure for the dagger
ripe bramble
Blackwater chest is meh, and you'd likely be using benthic belt so that's a bad choice imo
strange python
i think ill only just spam coins on like first boss in mythic and zaqul in heroic
cobalt pelican
the blackwater chest is pretty okay as far as the raid gear goes honestly, you're basically choosing the best of 2 evils and rolling the other from residuum
shy dust
What are the better Azerite pieces from the raid?
ripe bramble
Chest seems like the best option as first mythic residium piece though so idk
cobalt pelican
i guess orogozoa then? but eh
tribal marlin
I need a good Dagger for mythic opening so
cobalt pelican
it's np ttk op or dd ttk op
strange python
zaqul helm i think is the best?
cobalt pelican
which is better i guess will depend on your current gear
yeah zaquls is the only actually good piece but goggles are easily obtainable
strange python
engi goggles?
urban junco
Oh right new goggles
cobalt pelican
yeah
urban junco
I should get on those
strange python
are those actually going to be good?
cobalt pelican
and since zaqul is the 2nd last boss i don't think goggles will be replaced if you can have engineering for quite a while
strange python
the current ones seem ass
cobalt pelican
maybe when you hit neck lvl for the +5 on the helm or something will make it not so much of a difference
ripe bramble
DD is obviously good, Gizmo is meh, but they also have Overwhelming power
and it'll be easy to get 445s
strange python
so zaqul helm/goraks/ceph again lol?
cobalt pelican
if i get a dagger from 1st boss fk rolling on queens court
cobalt pelican
so they're 450?
tribal marlin
yes bascially
cobalt pelican
neat, didn't know that
ripe bramble
huh, hadn't noticed that
misty mango
!essence
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vital haven
solid nova
The benthic ones, yes.
solid nova
We spoke about yesterday 
lone junco
Big head for sure
solid nova
Big 
lone junco
sullen pagoda
@tribal marlin damn those are fat
i was thinking if i should upgrade them or still roll for frost ones
tribal marlin
well the ilvl increase is increasing the dmg of the fish a lot
but it looks like the explosion is split between all enemies
so seems good in ST, not so good in MT
cobalt pelican
what is the engineering lvl requirement to learn goggle
tribal marlin
It's same for the belt I guess the iLvl increase make the dmg higher
cobalt pelican
wrong chat probably but heck
solid nova
@subtle kiln But yes is the answer to your question, for now ๐
In terms of Discord activities
I assume in scenarios where i cant keep the uptime in Worldveins, flame might be better 
tribal marlin
See the damage are split
solid nova
Need to edit for less than 5 targets
strange python
Which burst potions should be used?
tribal marlin
Fish explosion
spice surge
Thats just a direct translation, nothing wierd at all lol
tribal marlin
migh put game in english ... but I have so many macros ...
marble tartan
is there a special benthic gear that you wanna farm?
faint harness
poisson rouge
marble tartan
thx
spice surge
Pufferfish explosion is literally what it says :p
marble tartan
but which one is the best from a damage output perspective?
wild stone
Hi guys, ravenholdt has the rotation for "No Shrouded Suffocation powers for Toxic Blade", but what if I have Blood of the Enemy and Cyclotronic Blast as well? Where do I fit those in to my rotation? 3DD/3NP MA talented.
hollow cloak
what was line for aberation sim?
civic palm
Neither of those two options have anything to do with your talents.
civic palm
uhhuh
wild stone
and it doesnt mention Cyclytronic Blast
civic palm
Use Cyc when you won't cap NRG.
vast monolith
We still using old enchants?
civic palm
You can do this while under the effects of Vendetta, less likely if you are using Lucid_Ma.
@vast monolith 
But yes, one old.
wild stone
Let me be more specific for you, do I use Blood of the Enemy before I use Toxic Blade? After? It costs a GCD so I'm trying to be carefuly not to cap on energy.
vast monolith
One force multiplier and one old one?
shy dust
you can do a sim and just look at how they use abilities
civic palm
Stack Blood with TB.
_>
10 sec duration, 9 sec duration.
ezpz
@vast monolith Yeah but even then Force is not a HUGE increase in DPS, SIM yourself to make sure though.
stark oxide
According to wowhead comments, cyclotronic isnt on the gcd and you can cast other things while it does its thing, right?
spice surge
Yes and no
scarlet sequoia
๐ฑ
spice surge
Lmao
untold current
troll?
civic palm
Yes.
opaque tree
Kind of wish it was true.
civic palm
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
hollow cloak
was that troll ? ๐
rigid mango
Yes
frigid briar
Mythic un'nat finally down. literally want to die, one day before progress starts 
faint harness
gz
tropic ocean
gz
urban junco
Gz
vestal wren
so, do we need to put that also on the filter?
tropic ocean
425 trinket?
urban junco
niceu
rigid mango
We don't fuu, just advertise against it
spice surge
Gz man
frigid briar
was the 425 trinket worth 420 pulls? time to sim lol
spice surge
CE uWunat probably gonna be the rarest CE there is
tropic ocean
faint harness
no doubt
frigid briar
nearly 1 item lvl for every pull
civic palm
#assassination > _>
sullen pagoda
@scarlet sequoia i just spent my pearls upgrading wrists my eyes got red for a moment 
scarlet sequoia
๐
civic palm
๐
urban junco
plush light
Did I miss something, or did vers become a top stat when running lucid dreams
vestal wren
versa became a lot better for all specs due to essences and trinkets
rigid mango
They're all very close
plush light
yeah it simming top stat for me, with mastery very close, but haste plummetted
faint harness
looks like you had on helluva dmg buff
faint harness
cyclo blast is doing 3 times its dmg
hushed valley
Since when does vend increase cyclo dmg
faint harness
never
marble hemlock
it doesnt
hushed valley
Color me confused then
spice surge
233k is excessive, you had some sortof buff
marble hemlock
what confuses you? the screenshot is about the 233k envenom, not the cyclo
hushed valley
Why does blood 3 or any of that make it do more dmg
solemn meadow
I didnt mean the cyclo
spice surge
Are you in nazjatar and had even more crit damage from neri?
solemn meadow
I dont have that unlocked yet
faint harness
are you telling me you stood there for 2 minutes and use 2 sets of cyclo blasts but only 1 envenom
solemn meadow
isnt that r15?
faint harness
this is giga 
solemn meadow
believe me or not I wondered that much aswell
quasi ledge
195k per Cyclo is still a bit much isn't it?
marble hemlock
scales pretty well with ilvl, so depending on the trinket and versa, seems doable
faint harness
its doable with like 30% vers
marble hemlock
im more surprised about the 233k enveom honestly
rigid mango
^
marble hemlock
highest ive got with 3ttk was ~155k
tropic ocean
233k envenom on last boss fh
marble hemlock
so even with 25% critdamage i wouldnt be hitting 200k
solemn meadow
marble hemlock
still using agi
arctic walrus
@solemn meadow what level are you Akana's
scarlet sequoia
aight
solemn meadow
405 or what do u mean
marble hemlock
both hits seem too high
solemn meadow
๐คท
marble hemlock
by like 25-30%
marble hemlock
which one? theres multiple ones ๐
tropic ocean
or maybe mastery buff by pearl from wq?
marble hemlock
one of them does have a multiplier, yes
1k vers manapearl might be one reason, but still
that envenom is just way too high
marble hemlock
but yeah
still a nice crit
but it wasnt just blood r3 that made it that big ๐
tribal marlin
sub hit for 400k 
rough charm
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solemn meadow
@tribal marlin 
rigid mango
talking sub in #assassination should be bannable
and it'd mean miki is gone within a second
spice surge
Sub is FOR SURE gonna be able to 500k evis this patch
Pleb assa only gonna get like 200k envenoms
tribal marlin
sublord
solemn meadow
but we still gonna do more dmg
pale knot
anyone got any ''bis gear'' sim ? to see how high rogues go ? with end gear
amber sun
does vision of perfection significantlsy gain in value if we have 3 nothing personal?
solemn meadow
I saw ppl sim for 38k currently so
amber sun
kinda suprised how bad that essence is baseline
solemn meadow
with 445 stuff probably nearly 50k?
spice surge
@amber sun Not really, it gets slightly better yeah, but the main problem vision has is that its minor is literally worth nothing
meager nebula
get it and find out
spice surge
Well yeah ofc it would be better if it did that ๐
marble hemlock
marble hemlock
still has crit/haste gems instead of vers
spice surge
I think he meant endgame palace, which should be in the 46-50k range
But yeah, seli has gamer gear
marble hemlock
think ti also still sims with +60 gems and not +50, idk what eleem did there with my original sim :<
spice surge
I just took your /simc and changed the back and ring
solemn meadow
spice surge
I think its only the tooltips
echo cargo
spice surge
And not in the actual sim
marble hemlock
nah
faint harness
logs are for wusses
spice surge
complaining that the guy that has done probably 10x or 15x as many M+ as you have is stuffed with sockets
marble hemlock
im a teamplayer :p
tribal marlin
^
solemn meadow
I mean sure
faint harness
actually good players dont chase logs
solemn meadow
but you know what
harsh sphinx
pretty sure seli does like every mechanic for the guild, from grong orbs to stormwall
fathom wyvern
any idea why i sim so low?
marble hemlock
just get lucky 4Head
tribal marlin
benthic is "almost" free sockets :3
solemn meadow
you mean like our warrior?
425 Lurker with socket and leech
on first id
he went into a group with naowh and slood
tribal marlin
Oh I dropped that one
fathom wyvern
any idea why i sim so low? barely an upgrade with the droptimizer from full hc gear
tribal marlin
I dropped 425 socket Gift 1st week, my GM dropped it 410. I ennded up with 410 and he ended up 425 socket :3
harsh sphinx
are you on storm orbs as well for that crippling?
marble hemlock
nah
marble hemlock
but i swap to sirens cause boss dps doesnt matter anyway
marble hemlock
@fathom wyvern not sure what you mean, your sim seems around where it should be for sub 55 neck-level and your amount of stats
you have a lot of versa
fathom wyvern
@marble hemlock any advice stat wise
solemn meadow
btw why did blizz create a trinket
fathom wyvern
drop versa for something?
solemn meadow
for all dps and probably caster
faint harness
cus they are sadistic
spice surge
Just get a forged lurker instead 4Head
spice surge
Most casters dont have 2 min cds though
solemn meadow
its probably still really good
tropic ocean
or do u like use 4 gcds to channel it
solemn meadow
just use it prepull 4head
fathom wyvern
@marble hemlock what 2ndary trait should i use at 55 traits?
quasi ledge
Will probably reset on pull :p
faint harness
3 billion main stat
solemn meadow
so first weeks going to be
tropic ocean
if it works similar to punchcard thing it will be good
but I can't see how 3,3k agi outweight 4 gcds
marble hemlock
same answer, check the pins to educate yourself on it. in order for me to find out what the best option is for you specifically, i would have to sim your character etc.
you might aswell do it yourself ๐
solemn meadow
get 430 aszhara trinket + 430+ Plumage?
tropic ocean
maybe if u use it when u pool anyway idk
faint harness
they will share cds
tropic ocean
410 lurker > 430 plumage
faint harness
the exploit that might get you banned?
solemn meadow
cobalt pelican
doubt anyone will get banned for farming nuts and bolts
solemn meadow
t1?
urban junco
:3
marble hemlock
crates arent the problem
faint harness
i still dont think it was intended to be able to spam spawn mobs from it
marble hemlock
oscillators are
faint harness
if you're lucky you can get 2-3 per day
solemn meadow
I have 20 in my bank how much does r3 cost?
solemn meadow
ye
marble hemlock
if youre lucky. if you dont, you get 1 per day
faint harness
did you buy rank 2 already
crisp steppe
u can farm crates really quick
solemn meadow
no
faint harness
rank 2 is 10
marble hemlock
i think ive got 2 oscillators so far from mecha chests
and ive done chest-cap every day
fathom wyvern
i have 11 of them
spice surge
R2 costs 10 and R3 costs 20 iirc
crisp steppe
atm im on 4 oscillators. I bought r2. I crafted some punchcards with oscliators tho I think
marble hemlock
same
marble hemlock
you get 1 oscillator per day from the daily
and then you might get additional ones from chests, but the last time i got one was 5days ago
faint harness
i heard the spider rare has a chance to drop one too
marble hemlock
so you can be lucky, or unlucky
solemn meadow
give me something to spend my 200 energy cells on
fathom wyvern
Where can you buy r2?
faint harness
revered rustbolt
civic palm
Vendor is outside dungeon entrance.
icy ember
you talkin about purification protocol?
solemn meadow
ye
faint harness
missing 7.6k for exalted with rustbolt, no way i'll have the oscillators in time
solemn meadow
future stuf too?
spice surge
Kill 2 rares you havent killed yet
solemn meadow
do pet battles
spice surge
Or go into the future and do those dailes
civic palm
4 rare fish is 100 rep
faint harness
I pray
faint harness
there is one item you can craft that cost crates which says it contains resources
urban junco
Get Darkmoon Faire buff
cobalt pelican
is that a real thing
cobalt pelican
summed punchcard ilvl = cyclo damage
faint harness
25 rep per fish
cobalt pelican
?
solemn meadow
yes
faint harness
yes
cobalt pelican
mother fuger
urban junco
Mechagon has one doesn't it?
solemn meadow
you mean scrap king?
faint harness
I hope this contains oscillators, or has a chance to
faint harness
i have no clue
cobalt pelican
1k spare parts in
faint harness
the source is the red text
cobalt pelican
200 spare parts out
faint harness
whatever that means
cobalt pelican
perfect
devout gazelle
Guys why worldvein resonance siming way higher than lucid as minor? ๐ฎ Both rank2.. This seems pretty weird
solid nova
It assumes a base of 5, unless you tell it otherwise
rough agate
do i trust this and roll for gloves insteadd of boots?
solid nova
@devout gazelle Gotta use your noggin with the sim, as thats the default value
lusty narwhal
yes
devout gazelle
ooh so i guess 5 people need to have it near me to get max value?
solid nova
5 other people, thats 6 including you.
devout gazelle
yea yea seems bit carp tho tbh.. anyways cheers ๐
faint harness
@solemn meadow the blueprint drops from an epic chest called Irradiated Box of Assorted Parts
now who the fuck knows where you get that ๐
marble hemlock
reclamation rig event
vestal carbon
so what M+ do we farm tomorrow?
+6? is the max for loot
faint harness
ohhh
rough agate
+5 i think
devout gazelle
415 is the max ilvl loot from tomorrow?
faint harness
in m+ yes
heroic will drop 430
soo
There might be a chance that TF cap is increased
Blizzard hasnt said a word since last wednesday
So who knows
wild ledge
nothing like clear communication : )
civic palm
Logic would dictate that it's the same as it's been the past 4? times.
faint harness
They went silent after 4th of july
faint harness
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spark temple
So I'm trying to macro both Lurker's & Cyclotronic with Vendetta:
/use 13
/use 14
/cast Vendetta
But Vendetta refuses to be cast, do I just have to insert it inbetween the two uses if I want it all on a single button?
faint harness
vendetta first
distant mist
I prefer to not have them both macroโd
remote valley
Question: what is the standard azerite traits? I can't seem to find anything that is set in stone.
tropic ocean
for what content
coarse tusk
cyclonic trinket kind of acts as an ability when it comes to macro
faint harness
remote valley
This past content Aug
tropic ocean
like what
faint harness
the sims seem to be using them together
tropic ocean
raid`? dungeon? quest?
coarse tusk
you can't macro and vendetta like that
faint harness
yes you can
tropic ocean
3x double dose
1x nothing personal
1x twist the knife
if u dont have the according shoulder/chest u can also use
2x np or 3xnp
remote valley
awesome! and for multi target?
warped siren
Is Condensed Life-Force the go to major for EP?
faint harness
cyclotronic doesnt incur a GCD, you can use vendetta and instantly use the trinket
tropic ocean
for multi target in raid scenario, you will use at least 1x shrouded suffociation with Subterfuge talent
warped siren
Of course we don't get that up until we actually raid but you know what I mean
tropic ocean
if u really want to pad push ur dps log for first 6 bosses u can also use 2 or 3 shrouded and 2 or 3 np
if u kill fast
remote valley
what do you think of ancients bulwark
faint harness
pad on prog 
tropic ocean
idk what that is
best defensive trait is surrounding protection on the others I just use whatever it doesnt really matter
remote valley
ancients bulwark grants 296 vers standing
tropic ocean
well in most fights you don't really stand
remote valley
ur right
faint harness
you sit down
tropic ocean
the most common used traits are nothing personal double dose
and shrouded for multi target so thats what you're aiming for
remote valley
is echos worth it?
coarse tusk
why would you waste 2 seconds of vendetta casting the trinket
kind of want to use the trinket first then vendetta
frigid sleet
you can cast while channeling
tropic ocean
@remote valley here u can see what rogues use on which boss trinket, azerite talents
u can basically just copy paste it and u will do good
remote valley
amazing! ty brother
tropic ocean
np mate
faint harness
you can do whatever you want during the cast
muted cove
Do you guys think we will switch out flames/Bote for Purfication Protocol for the 2 abberation bosses
faint harness
channel*
olive tulip
Hey guys any idea which red punch card is better, the haste buff one or revered on use one?
tropic ocean
on use
faint harness
revered on use
olive tulip
O realy? Okay thanks
spice surge
Revered >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haste one
faint harness
i think the haste one is bugged or something
tropic ocean
revered > any
faint harness
it has shit procrate
coarse tusk
casting and channeling aren't the same thing
you can't use any abilities while casting
faint harness
the gcd you start by using vendetta is used for the cast
spice surge
@coarse tusk If you macro it you can cast it during the vendetta gcd (or rather, at the same time as vendetta)
And then its finished casting by the time vendetta gcd is over
And you start channeling and can use spells
keen elk
@muted cove sims have been different for everyone so I donโt think we know yet for sure; but for example, protocol rank 1 bests bote and flame rank 2 for me by quite a lot
coarse tusk
isn't that still 1 second of casting though?
spice surge
Yes, and the casting is done during vendetta gcd
faint harness
on BL pulls you'll be done casting before vendetta gcd is over
spice surge
?
faint harness
the cast is gigafast with bl
spice surge
No since vendetta gcd also scales with haste
faint harness
it does 
spice surge
It does
faint harness
i thought rogue gcds were capped to 1 sec
spice surge
They are, except vendetta
faint harness
ah its a spell, nvm
spice surge
And during adrenaline rush (then its 0.8s, not scaling with haste)
faint harness
outlaw 
proud prawn
/cast Heart Essence to macro whatever your main essence is if you're looking to make it dynamic
coarse tusk
so how does that help the trinket?
untold current
Anyone tried cyclo in pvp?
faint harness
yes
untold current
And?
faint harness
its really nioce
coarse tusk
i thought you were waiting on the trinket cast to finish not the vendetta gcd
faint harness
the 40 yard range is good for killing off targets that tries to flee
ruby idol
The difference between trinket right before vendetta or right after is extremely small, with right before being technically correct
faint harness
i use it as sort of an execute in place of maledict trinket
ruby idol
But its like basically 0 difference
blazing matrix
has anyone tested this and do you have some opinion on this trinket https://gyazo.com/202a2d89b6eb02a684851ea7c40ee299
civic palm
Sim it.
shy dust
So how would the macro look for the trinket?
coarse tusk
you can castsequence it
/use 13
/castsequence [reset=5] Pocket-Sized Computation Device, Vendetta
olive tulip
Is castsequence still work :O
coarse tusk
but it takes 2 presses
faint harness
#showtooltip Vendetta
/cast Vendetta
/use Pocket-Sized Computation Device
this works
rough agate
#showtooltip
/cast Vendetta
/use 13
/use 14
civic palm
aka, just press the fucking buttons you bums.
rough agate
i have pocket and plumage
faint harness
same
civic palm
uhhuh
faint harness
BUT i have to press the macro twice to get plumage to kick off
blazing matrix
do u use the cyclotronic blast guys?>
urban junco
lol
rough agate
yes
untold current
just a WA for it
urban junco
untold current
then all set
blazing matrix
is it op?
urban junco
faint harness
i have a WA for it if you want
untold current
plz
faint harness
untold current
i dont see anything in the trigger
faint harness
civic palm
_>
faint harness
right, it has to be trinket 1
civic palm
O _O
strange python
whats the best minor trait ?
spice surge
Trait or essence
strange python
essense
spice surge
Worldvein if you have friends with it, probably lucid otherwise
But as usual, sim yourself for the most accurate answer
short jacinth
Looking for a shroud WA that annouces in chat bubble, anyone got one?
stable plinth
Any of you guys showing up with worldvein as your best minor now too?
short jacinth
@tropic ocean ty sir
tropic ocean
should change the loading in wa to only load it when you are on rogue
else it will spam chat when other rogue shrouds
strange python
My sims are showing Flame as main and Blood as minor is best for me
stable plinth
Well you sim it with 3 other people using it
rigid mango
Raidbots is auto simming at 5
rigid mango
There's a dropdown
stable plinth
Than blood major and lucid minor
spice surge
Yes, worldvein is really good, especially at early gear levels
stable plinth
Putting worldvein as minor pushes lucid back to major
untold current
i dont know how realistic worldvein is tho. I mean, at least ppl in my guild are really selfish
would prob only pick essences good for themselves
Will have to see who in my raid actually uses it
stable plinth
I'm pretty sure most melee use worldvein as minor
If others are using it
Only need 3 others using it
lusty narwhal
So what are people running atm, bote or lucid major? I see a lot of split opinions / sims
stable plinth
Currently running R3 blood as major and R2 lucid as minor
Come raid tomorrow, I'm running R3 lucid as major and R2 worldvein as minor
vapid scarab
@lusty narwhal all that matters is what sims higher for your character specifically
you see split opinions/sims because people have different ranks of different essences as well as different stats/gear that can favor one over the other
blazing matrix
how good would 2 use trinkets be on assa for raid
vapid scarab
sims take the trinket CD into account so
blazing matrix
i feel like with lucid dreams i wouldnt have so much time to cast trinkets
nimble tartan
i think worldvein sims assumes that youll always be within range of 3 crystals right
stable plinth
Yes
spice surge
Well no
It simulates how your uptime would be if X other people in your group had it
Where X is the option
stable plinth
Which means you'll always be in range of those people's crystals when they do spawn...
spice surge
Yes, but that doesnt mean that you always are in range of 3 crystal
Because crystals dont have 100% uptime
nimble tartan
its a lot oof management to get proper optimal uptime between people wearing it in melee
stable plinth
I think he was asking it means you'll always have a crystal buff if a crystal is active
spice surge
You dont use the major
nimble tartan
ohhh u right
spice surge
Never use the major
nimble tartan
thats how this works
stable plinth
Yeah major blows
spice surge
With like 5+ people its essentially just a passive agi bonus as long as you stack
nimble tartan
right right
stable plinth
There is a lot of heavy movement fights though
nimble tartan
so every 18-25 secs youll usually get like max stacks
and this could happen mid movement
stable plinth
Like I don't see worldvein being good on ashvane
nimble tartan
r3 minior moves that floor to 1 sec
stable plinth
Cause you're constantly moving
spice surge
12 yards is a decent range as long as most melees are using it
modest violet
maybe you could sacrifice your worst dps and make them take the major for fights like that
midnight flower
When you sim vine you can change how many are active it starts on 5 so of course it will say itโs bis
nimble tartan
tbh if its close at all to another minor ill prob just run the other one instead
modest violet
once you stop, they hit their major, buff everyone else
untold current
holy shit, this trinket wrecks in bgs
faint harness
stable plinth
Worldvein can have issues on Behemoth, Radiance, Ashvane, Orgozoa, Queens Court, Zaqul and Azshara lol
Literally every boss besides first
midnight flower
Whatโs the source on that so I can wave it in front of my guild
nimble tartan
yo fr am i crazy or does rank 2 minor worldvein sound actually way better than r 3
stable plinth
On behemoth I'm just not sure how having a Z axis will affect it
nimble tartan
u can play around r2 worldvein minor
stable plinth
Radiance you do move a lot, the tornados are actually a giant pain in the ass
Likely your entire raid will move together constantly
Just like you did in the legion version of the fight
Ashvane I forgot how often the boss has to be moved but potentially be completely fine on that one
Same thing with Orgozoa long as you spread only during the spread casts
Zaqul is a lot of movement tho
Also remember it's only 8 yards for heroic
kindred skiff
Sounds like fun fights for rdps 
vapid scarab
reminds me, I was wondering how shadowstep works on circle bosses like radiance or kin'garoth
stable plinth
You teleport infront of them
vapid scarab
do you just get teleported like all the way across the platform if you're at the front of the boss and use it?
ok so even if behind them, i would teleport to the front?
stable plinth
It works the same way it works on Helya, Stormwall etc
Uhh
I think it teleports you to the closest spot
vapid scarab
helya and stormwall are not circle bosses
stable plinth
Yeah and I didn't say they were
I said it works the same way as them
Where it teleports you closest
vapid scarab
closest spot to what
vapid scarab
so it doesn't change your position or anything it's just a straight line teleport?
spice surge
On stormwall you always got ported to the exact middle
Although i've heard that changed in 8.2, but i didnt try
wooden fog
Will benthic gear eventually be able to upgrade past 425?
spice surge
Almost surely not crabby
distant lava
how expensive is r3 ?
solemn meadow
40 crates 20 occilator
distant lava
drifting cloud
do you have enough oscillators?
solemn meadow
no but I wanna get the spare parts now since its super ez
distant lava
since it's one oscillator a day iirc
solemn meadow
and ocillators you get each day anyway
spare parts farming is crap otherwise
and no Djamax
you get ocsillators from rares
chest
etc many drop chances
are you for real? I got horde assassin by afking in a raid
and now I can't fly
zealous lily
for sin ST are there any cheesy benthic pieces we should be upgrading
solemn meadow
boots
with crit dmg
wrists with frost dmg
belt with aberattion dmg
gloves with frost dmg
zealous lily
thanks i did not know it was in the pins
solemn meadow
in that prio
spice surge
Belt VS gloves are debateable on which is more important
spice surge
True
nah its gloves, but the belt is also only good on a couple of bosses and the belt from azshara is dope
But as i said, idk which one is actually better to go for. I just wanted to mention that its debateable
solemn meadow
just get boots and wrists for now anyway
next ice
When u bored and thinking about poisons
spice surge
^
next ice
solemn meadow
since you need so many pearls
to upgrade those too
wrists have so many possibilites
getting the right ones with socket
marble jay
potion of focused resolve suppose to break stealth?
stable plinth
not bothering with gloves
solemn meadow
It did but Idk if they fixed it yet
stable plinth
and its a bug @marble jay
solemn meadow
but its not supposed to
marble jay
damn alright thanx, maybe ill use it as my 2nd pot tonight, last night for jaina
solemn meadow
good luck
hollow hemlock
hey guys, for ST, should I be using focused rsolve as prepot?
solemn meadow
yes
spice surge
I doubt the crit pot will be fixed for tommorow. There so much going on with that buggy mess
cobalt pelican
i don't really get how they messed it up so bad
spice surge
Tooltip says it stacks up to 20%, although on some bosses it stacks to 5%, some it stacks to 10%
solemn meadow
think about all the bugs in mechagon dungeon
mighty elm
POG they just nerfed pocket trinket
stone crescent
How so?