assassination

[past marten]

I meant "using it after the Vanish/MA window"

[ember rover]

@past marten my personal experiment that yielded the best results is like this:

[past marten]

The APL casts Vendetta -> Vanish -> Toxic Blade -> Mutilate -> Envenom -> Blood

[faint harness]

I would assume Mystler etc has looked at different places to use Blood and found it best to use after the 2nd envenom

[crisp steppe]

actually nvm that statement.

[spice surge]

35% crit damage isnt more damage than vendettas 30% flat dmg

[crisp steppe]

its not even 35% crit dmg atm either eleem

and it would be crit chance + crit dmg yeah

20% crit chance = 20% more dmg on average

[faint harness]

Fichte isnt it after 2nd envenom?

[crisp steppe]

and then you add on the crit dmg

[ember rover]

Muti => Rupture => Muti => garrote => Vendetta => Envenom => BotE => Toxic Blade => Vanish

[crisp steppe]

but its 25% chance/25%dmg atm I think?

[faint harness]

Adriän we've been over this before, the APL doesnt use it like that at least

[ember rover]

I said it's my personal usage and seems to be the best, at least from what I can see.

[faint harness]

It uses BotE to extend the crit window after MA has dropped in the APL

[past marten]

That's what the APL does

[spice surge]

True, its 25% both. But 25% crit damage means your crits do 225% dmg instead of 200%, its not actually 25% more damage

[ember rover]

^ what he siad.

[crisp steppe]

fair yeah. thats something I didn't think about

[faint harness]

oh its additive

[crisp steppe]

too much PoE or just not htinking I guess

[past marten]

The reason for not using it before your Vanish is to not overcap crit or what?

[ember rover]

You want BotE to be up during MA so that you benefit from the Crit DMG

[faint harness]

I mean that doesnt change the fact that the current best simmed way of using BotE is after MA

[spice surge]

228% with boots

[past marten]

I liked the idea of having the guaranteed crit with the additional crit dmg during the Vanish window

But if it was changed to that exactly it has to better I guess

[faint harness]

I assume they tried to line it up with vanish and MA cus its a no-brainer

but saw better dps from using it after MA dropped

[crisp steppe]

diminishing returns?

idk

like from 0% crit to 20% crit is a 20% dmg gain. from 80% crit to 100% crit is more like 10% dmg gain

[faint harness]

the sim should use a non-bugged crit pot too

so thats another 20% crit

[crisp steppe]

120/100 = 1.2. 200/180 = 1.111

guess thats why

[spice surge]

Tbf i havent tried blood 3 if it actually works like that. But thats how crit damage has worked previously in wow

[bright smelt]

not sure how I feel about this

[ember rover]

Bad, since Haste is bad for us now 😦

[faint harness]

what

[tame cobalt]

Nice luck you got there @bright smelt

Crafted mine day one 😄

[crisp steppe]

425

[ember rover]

Lucid devalues HASTE by a fuckton, no?

[bright smelt]

mine was a drop

[faint harness]

Lucid does nothing to crit

[ember rover]

I meant haste.

[crisp steppe]

yeah it devalues it

[faint harness]

not that much

haste is still one of my best stats

[stable yarrow]

Should wait for ilvl raise before crafting xD

[rigid mango]

Lucid major does

Minor doesn't affect it as much

[bright smelt]

I'm guessing haste wont be as bad when we swap to life-force major

[spice surge]

All stats are so close now that it doesnt really matter what stats you have

It barrely mattered before, matters even less now that vers is better too

For AoE crit is still king and haste pretty bad, but for ST its w/e

[bright smelt]

plus I mean, ilvl on pocketbook

[past marten]

Maybe sims are skewed, but even with the Lucid major haste sims pretty high

[faint harness]

Is there ever a situation where we use lucid major on ST

[night vale]

week 1 if you didnt farm blood of the enemy? :p

[faint harness]

crucible of flame rank 2 (?)

[spice surge]

Lucid major isnt bad, its better than most things

[ripe nimbus]

Everyone finding haste is worst stat will be shocked when we no longer run lucid major and haste becomes better again so don't go throwing all ur dice into Crit mastery gear so hastely xD

[night vale]

@faint harness lucid seems better than most things atm... besides blood rank 3 on ST

https://www.herodamage.com/rogue/essences/1t-t23-assassination

obvs need to sim

[crisp steppe]

I aint got no rank3 blood tho

🤔

keep that

[night vale]

yeah so lucid is probs best week 1 until you get raid essence

[faint harness]

a lot of lucid dmg comes from the minor though

[ripe nimbus]

My guild leader has rank 4 blood and he doesn't even use it lol

[cobalt pelican]

lots of people find bgs pretty fun

[bright smelt]

does he pvp 24/7?

[past marten]

I didn't raid pvp 24/7 and I have Blood 3 as well

[bright smelt]

bgs are filled to the brim with premades nowadays though

[cobalt pelican]

i can imagine they're decently fun as classes that can just do a ton of damage permanently but bgs have gotten like increasingly less fun as a rogue over the years

[past marten]

And I played without premade zerg

[ripe nimbus]

He plays the game alot and does everything

[cobalt pelican]

i'd play them more as amoonkin or something

[spice surge]

Wdym just stand in the middle of their team and spam fok

Although that requires a healer to keep you alive

[pulsar hazel]

I have rank 3 on 2 chars

[faint harness]

we did 5-6 hours of bgs every night

winning 90% of them or more

if you enlist as alliance you play against pepega horde that stayed horde for no reason

aka casuals that doesnt know better

[ripe nimbus]

I have a feeling they will nerf honor req to get rank 3 it's just brutal like rank 3 should of been like 25-30k tops

[arctic walrus]

@pulsar hazel we barely dropped games too

[pulsar hazel]

@arctic walrus ^

[arctic walrus]

Just win 4Head

[ripe nimbus]

50k is like 20 hours of BGs

[faint harness]

like you get 750-800 honor from most regular bg wins

if you enlist

[past marten]

Yeah, but it's rank 3

[fervent atlas]

which potions are we gonna use as assa roguie

for pre pot

do u guys got sim ?

[ripe nimbus]

Okay but u can literally get all the other rank 3s with less effort

[spice surge]

Idk, i'd say lucid is pretty close

[past marten]

I don't know... Level 60 Neck for Flame 3 is pretty crazy too

[ripe nimbus]

I had that shit like 3 days ago tho

[faint harness]

lucid rank 3 takes you 20 days if you dont loot any follower xp items

[spice surge]

Yeah and some people had blood on the third day

[faint harness]

i had blood 3 quite early

[spice surge]

For total time invested im pretty sure they're not that far apart

[faint harness]

i think its less grindy than ppl think

[untold current]

how did u get blood so fast?

[onyx rock]

Blood rank 3 isnt that hard to get tbh

[untold current]

I hvae been farming for days now

[cobalt pelican]

they're really not

[faint harness]

i pvpd during the weekly event

[past marten]

Winning mercenary BGs

[crisp steppe]

you need lucid rank 3 tho for minor.

[faint harness]

just get both rank 3

[crisp steppe]

NOPE

[past marten]

That's what I do

[onyx rock]

Blood 3 major is blasting

[faint harness]

yes its nice

[past marten]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hijJUKrpAoDCyC2JLodjtW

Lucid (3) major sims higher than Blood (3) major for me

Am I simming it wrong? :^)

[onyx rock]

Dunno its close for me too

[fervent atlas]

what about potions as prepot ?

ubrilded or agi
/

have u guys simed, tested ?

[night vale]

herodamage has lucid 3 higher than blood 3 so looks fine to me

[ripe nimbus]

Is the Crit one still bugged for stealth?

Is so agi

[spice surge]

Crit one is bugged in general

[untold current]

Yeah im doing merc mode, but its still slow

[onyx rock]

You will get there

[sullen hearth]

Dam i didnt push for rank 3 blood

[ripe nimbus]

Spend more time in queue then u do in the BGs

Good system

[faint harness]

@night vale yea but if you look at the lucid minor you can make the +/- math and see that lucid major is less % of the total dps than blood major.

Quite simple stuff

[past marten]

Well, why does it sim higher for me then?

It's weird

[faint harness]

you have low haste? who knows

[past marten]

I simmed it with all gems selected

(besides Vers)

[faint harness]

I'm doing a sim atm, raidbots is just kinda slow

[spice surge]

Its almost as if his gear isnt the exact same as the default profile used on herodamage

But yeah, lucid major isnt bad at all

[past marten]

I am just not sure if you can get the potential of it ingame

[past marten]

Because however hard I spam, it just feels like I overcap too much

[faint harness]

its a 600 dps loss to use lucid over blood as major for my gear

[past marten]

?

Ah yeah, got you

"Current gear" is Blood Major + Lucid Minor then?

[faint harness]

yea

[past marten]

Wanna buy Worldvein rank3 rn

[faint harness]

its gonna take 2 more weeks right

[past marten]

you will have it for mythic

[bright smelt]

the worldvein does it drop shards you have to run through to get buff

or how does it work

[nocturne gate]

they spawn around u

[bright smelt]

so basically same as the monk orbs?

[spice surge]

And you get the bonus of other group members shards

[bright smelt]

but as an essence

[spice surge]

You dont have to walk through them

[nocturne gate]

u dont need to run over them

just to be near

[faint harness]

its just a circle on the ground

[bright smelt]

oh

Ic

[spice surge]

You just need to be in 8/12 yards of them, depending on rank

[nocturne gate]

its on r2 8y and rank3 12

[faint harness]

but you probably want your melee buddies to use it

unless whole raid stacks

[nocturne gate]

on stormwall i had 70~ uptime

[spice surge]

Teamwork

[nocturne gate]

%

[bright smelt]

wtb ultraxion style fights where literally entire raid stacks

👌🏻

although ultrax trash was cancer

[faint harness]

ultraxion

[bright smelt]

I mean ultrax wasnt THAT bad

and I liked yorsahj and that other dude

[faint harness]

i played holy paladin on that fight, no fond memories

[bright smelt]

spine and madness was shit though

black debuff on blob guy was fun for healers eh?

[vernal robin]

so what benthic piece you guys farming up?

[bright smelt]

check pins

@vernal robin

[unreal kayak]

is it worth using vision of perferction minor when it comes out when using a 2min cd trinket ?

[spice surge]

No

Vision minor is close to useless, especially on ST

[bleak spoke]

What are people simming for on avg now?

[cobalt pelican]

anywhere between 35 and 36 is pretty normal

depending on how many pearls you've dumped already

upwards of 37 if you have cyclotronic and have all of your pearls spent

[vestal wren]

35, not even close

[rigid mango]

Aye with 2 slot and cyclo you'll get 35

Rest is benthic

[spice surge]

I mean, its also on whatever other gear you have

[rigid mango]

I've seen 37k sims

[spice surge]

Like lurker, weapons, overall sockets

[urban junco]

:#

pew pew

[rigid mango]

Yeah lurk + sockets too

[bleak spoke]

i've fallen behind 😦

[rigid mango]

[simple meteor]

give 430 wep and ill sim 37k aswell

[ripe nimbus]

I'm close to 37 the other rogue in our guild is like 37.7k

[bleak spoke]

damn

[rigid mango]

I wont sim until cyclo and 2 slot

I don't wanna get sad

[spice surge]

Need R3s too

For phat sims

[ripe nimbus]

[chrome pulsar]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/3PCUbRkSGWDmTWZ7JPrkHF lucid below BotE :/

[rigid mango]

I aint getting r3 on anything

[vivid hill]

What’s lurk

[rigid mango]

Yeah it's not weird pepe

Lucid minor is what we want

@vivid hill lurker's, uunat trink

[simple meteor]

damn 38k with 415 dagger

[spice surge]

http://piclair.com/data/yx88m.jpg

This is the true sim padding

[rigid mango]

[vivid hill]

Oh thanks never got it sad life

[rigid mango]

Same man

Idm anyways, gonna force my team to spam KR on wed for plumage + cyclo

[bleak spoke]

is that you pita

it is 8D

[ripe nimbus]

Cyclonerf on Tues tho 🤔

[rigid mango]

Is there a nerf already?

U got a link?

[lusty narwhal]

Predicting there will be

i imagine

[ripe nimbus]

Nah but there will be mark my words

[spice surge]

Doubt it

[rigid mango]

If they wanna nerf it, they'll nerf benthic too

[spice surge]

Since the trinkets from the raid will be better anyway

[rigid mango]

And they wont

That too

[vestal wren]

somone mentioned that blizz lowered the socket chance

[bleak spoke]

the raid trinkets look super good

[rigid mango]

The azshara one looks nutty

[vestal wren]

outside of that the only expected nerf is to the red card

[rigid mango]

Hc 2.9 agi for vend

[bleak spoke]

yeah i only got 1 socketed gloves in 35 rolls

[rigid mango]

[bleak spoke]

and they weren't the right ones

i was upset

[rigid mango]

Why gloves?

Yoy already got the others?

[cobalt gyro]

Idk i kind of expect the card to remain untouched

[spice surge]

Doubt they nerfed it. Just people being unlucky looking for things to blame

[bleak spoke]

gloves simmed the best for me

[rigid mango]

Really?

[cobalt gyro]

Turns the otherwise useless trinket into something worth using

[bleak spoke]

probably cuz gloves are my weakest slot atm

[vestal wren]

its possible, hence they also did that due to this post earlier

[rigid mango]

Idk, I've seen a bunch of sockets, just wrong items

Seems anecdotal anyways

[ripe nimbus]

The gloves can also proc healing instead of damage

[spice surge]

Wat, my friend who just came back sgot the abyssal focus quest

[rigid mango]

Unless people show actual numbers

I've still got it

[bleak spoke]

oh

[rigid mango]

Not doing it though

[vestal wren]

agree, probably no chance of a proove of it given there is no data

[bleak spoke]

maybe i should have done bracers

[rigid mango]

Exactly.

[bleak spoke]

but at the same time

i didn't get it anyway smile

[rigid mango]

Bracers/feet are nutty

[spice surge]

Well the main reason why bracers are better than the gloves

Is because gloves get more stats per ilvl

[vivid hill]

@bleak spoke who day

Dat

[bleak spoke]

i am subbeam!

[rigid mango]

Hi subbeam, I'm dad.

[bleak spoke]

u carried me through a big temple 8D

[cobalt gyro]

Did you get a big key this week

I still need one

[bleak spoke]

yeah 24 atal

absolute banger of a key now

as in

we got fucking banged

[urban junco]

Lol

[cobalt gyro]

Scary as fuck

[bleak spoke]

clip in wow general for you

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/4ojR3oAu41VH57vH9Kecm8 man this is not encouraging

really really really not encouraging

[ripe nimbus]

Rank 3 lucid is huge hurry up

[rigid mango]

Have you got it?

[ripe nimbus]

Yes

[bleak spoke]

okay we go nazjatar right meow

[rigid mango]

That makes sense for 37 and nearly 38 sims

I've missed too much, aint even got r2 yet

[ripe nimbus]

Oh no

Ur done

[spice surge]

Make sure to kill the rares

For barks, fins etc

[lusty narwhal]

How many of those can you get a week

[spice surge]

1

[rigid mango]

The heck are fins

[lusty narwhal]

thought so

[rigid mango]

I got bark

[lusty narwhal]

the trees give you what, 400 follower xp?

[faint harness]

people from Finland

[bleak spoke]

4.1k/6k for rank 3, i think i'll be okay by mythic opening

[rigid mango]

I am 4fun person now, irl cucking me

[spice surge]

@rigid mango https://www.wowhead.com/item=170176/fathom-ray-wing#comments

That comment has everything that gives follower xp, also #wow-general

[lusty narwhal]

always a feelsbad when you fall behind due to real life

lul

[solid nova]

[scenic saffron]

How are the new raid trinkets? Any of them special enough to focus on ?

[lusty narwhal]

yes

[tiny arrow]

the one from Azshara

[vivid hill]

Lol

[strange python]

Hello guys,im new on this discord,any guide/list of benedict biss items to upgrade ? on assa

[lusty narwhal]

Benedict items HAHAH

Boots, bracers and belt

[stuck knoll]

[urban junco]

lol

Gotta get that tasty eggs benny down in Nazjatar.

:3

[strange python]

i checked the pins so boots waist and wirst?

[scarlet sequoia]

whats better? frost dmg, pufferfish or physical dmg bracers?

[lusty narwhal]

frost

[vestal wren]

tho i would roll for a diffrent slot if you have socket pufferfish

[strange python]

the boots are haste matery right?

[scarlet sequoia]

i have the other items already, just doing starting quests on my alts for pearls

[lusty narwhal]

@strange python yes

[vestal wren]

repost from #wow-general

[dapper wraith]

wait can you only get 1 bark a week from the big guys in naz? is that right?

[vestal wren]

seems right

[rigid mango]

Yes

[strange python]

the benedic items can upgrade more than 420 after raid comes?

[faint harness]

yes

benedict items goes to 425

[stuck knoll]

No

Capped at 425 regardless of raid

[strange python]

and a 425 with socket is more viable than a 445 or titan?

for raid i mean.

[vestal wren]

you can sim it, but the gear (esp. with gems and effect active) beats mythic gear

[strange python]

okay,so i should get a385 socket boots wrist and?

[vestal wren]

feet

[cunning lagoon]

is there any amount of targets at which you stop using garrote?

[scarlet sequoia]

are the frost damage gloves any good for assa?

[vapid scarab]

they heal most of the time but they're still the best effect

[rigid mango]

They are

[vestal wren]

they are the only dps hands

[vapid scarab]

lowest priority to fish for

[rigid mango]

But wrists are better

[scarlet sequoia]

yeah ok but are they worth using

[vapid scarab]

if you have them

they are the lowest priority for you to upgrade

[stuck knoll]

They are worth using yes

[strange python]

omfg wrist so hard to get xd

I got a socketed puffer and settled

[open blade]

Does any1 have problem withStealth randomly breaking ?

[strange python]

yep xD

[open blade]

any solution by now?

[strange python]

mechagon crafted trinket is a bit weird,i thin lost 431 agi from my 415 KR trinket is a big loss

@open blade no idea

@open blade I had that last night , have no clue what it was

[rigid mango]

If yoy have creeping venom on

[vapid scarab]

@strange python luckily we have a tool to actually sim things instead of relying on what you think or feel

[rigid mango]

With blood

It fucks up stealth

Your bodyguard fucks up stealth

Just blood, fucks up stealth

[strange python]

yeah if u vanish or shadowmeld it ,ur follower still fight

[vestal wren]

its a feature, he makes you do engaging fights

[open blade]

im on boralus ship and stealth is breaking every 10 sec

[timber meadow]

Is flame major the move in pvp ?

[strange python]

what's gonna drop from m10's next week

ilvl

[timber meadow]

With lucid minor

[strange python]

ask in pvp

[timber meadow]

Oh there’s a pvp assasin channel?

[strange python]

ask in wow-general @strange python

[stuck knoll]

The pvp channel is for all three specs

[strange python]

430

i found out

cuh

you getting a little fruity

[timber meadow]

I am most def not a pvp’er but running hundreds of BG’s will do crazy things to a man

[strange python]

yeah after the blood farm i started doing 2's

pretty fun tbh

[timber meadow]

Right?

[tropic ocean]

@strange python depending on your cards u gain a lot of haste/mastery/crit tho which is worth way more than agi

and since the active card is busted

good trade off

[bleak spoke]

i guess they were successful

[open blade]

@zine Worldvein Resonance on minor slot breaking stealth

[spice frost]

Which combat potion is the apl using?

[timber meadow]

I kinda like that we were forced to expand our horizons like I’ve found myself actually getting curious about pvp and kinda gettin into it

[bleak spoke]

in making us do all the bgs people started actaully enjoying pvp a bit

[strange python]

@tropic ocean i got 425 yello haste matery

[tropic ocean]

idk ur stat weights but for my master/haste/crit is all >>>>> agi by a lot

[rigid mango]

@open blade close enough bud

Yeah, that too

[tropic ocean]

so dont know u should worry about losing agi when u can get 2nd stat statstick

[rigid mango]

Add all of it to the list

[scarlet sequoia]

😄 385 pufferfish socket bracers sim higher than 410 socket bracers, lovely game

[strange python]

@tropic ocean the problem is that is haste matery not haste critic 😦

[tropic ocean]

masteryis good on st tho

[bleak spoke]

And 2t/3t

[strange python]

@tropic ocean i have another 415 haster critic too on bad,should i replace it?

[tropic ocean]

should run ur statweights and see

[rigid mango]

Sim my famalam

[strange python]

bag*

[tropic ocean]

425 haste mastery probably better than 415 hast crit

[bleak spoke]

Sim yourself

425 haste mastery is the dream

Absent sockets

[tropic ocean]

think mastery is atm .19 in front of rest for me

[strange python]

haste is bottom for me :((

[bleak spoke]

Sockets mess it up

[strange python]

haste/mastery is not the dream

mastery/vers or mastery/crit is the dream

[bleak spoke]

Man what

[rigid mango]

Wot

Are you on

Sir

[bleak spoke]

Maybe for dungeons

[tropic ocean]

@strange python depends on ur stat weights

O_o?

the dream is whatever combination sims best for ur individual character

🤷

[bleak spoke]

Big true

[strange python]

well more than likely it isn't gonna be haste

[tropic ocean]

depends on ur items?

[bleak spoke]

For st haste is way ahead for me

[strange python]

but sure thing

you must have some low ass haste

[rigid mango]

Haste is still giga

[strange python]

😂

[tropic ocean]

and ti heavily depends on ur traits too

no ops

[rigid mango]

If u don't play lucid major

[bleak spoke]

Even at 21% it still wants more

[tropic ocean]

= haste big

[strange python]

you running lucid?

[tropic ocean]

no lucid

= haste big

[strange python]

ofc

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[rigid mango]

Lucid minor doesn't touch haste as much

[strange python]

but you should be running lucid

[rigid mango]

It's the major

My dude

[tropic ocean]

depends on what other essence u got?

wat

[bleak spoke]

In practice I prefer mastery

[scenic nacelle]

BotE rank 2 minor pumps

[bleak spoke]

Because it means you don’t have to stick to the target as much

Compared to higher haste

[rigid walrus]

haste = more procs

more energy

[strange python]

vers = more damage yes yes give

[tropic ocean]

after raid opening when u get new essence and loyal trait

haste will get more value again

[bleak spoke]

Mastery is better than vers in that regard

Assa mastery has better scaling than vers on all counts except echoing blades damage

[strange python]

no vers give full damage is good yes

[bleak spoke]

So does mastery

[strange python]

more vers = more damoooooooooog

[opal sierra]

Hi can anyone tell me how to get yellow punch card receipt plz?

[real bay]

rng drops

[bleak spoke]

You kill rates in mechagon until your brain melts

[timber meadow]

Well, I just dont have the haste in my overall gear set so most likely ill be running lucid major even when it's not "the best" in theory

[bleak spoke]

Rares

[tropic ocean]

@timber meadow the best is a flexible term

my best might be not your best

[timber meadow]

Yup, that's my point

there's no BIS when it comes to gear unless you somehow have an alternate universe where you have access to every piece of gear at max titanforge levels

[opal sierra]

So it’s like any rare in machsgone will drop the receipt but is RNG right?

[tropic ocean]

more likely

[bleak spoke]

Yeh

[arctic walrus]

Will we use crit pot even on fights with target swaps as long as we get a certain number of seconds on opener/2nd pot

[tropic ocean]

if you have access to a lot of sockets 😄

socketmeta

[opal sierra]

I c thanks for the info

[bleak spoke]

Sockets are everything

It’s kinda aids

[rigid mango]

"kinda"

[tropic ocean]

im one of the lowest ilvl of my guild yet one of highest simming

sockets carry

[bleak spoke]

It’s a good time to be a rogue because the amount of m+ we can do compared to other classes means we can get sockets a lil easier

[spice frost]

im missing 2 sockets.... rip

[daring jewel]

How is sin in m+ compared to outlaw?

[tropic ocean]

more dot based

less burst in aoe situations

[bleak spoke]

Sin is the second best m+ dps spec in m+

Better than any other spec that isn’t outlaw by a large margin

Both are playable in world first keys

Sin is harder though

But I’d say it has a higher dps ceiling while outlaw has a higher control ceiling

[tropic ocean]

"Better than any other spec that isn’t outlaw by a large margin"

laughs in bm

[daring atlas]

Yoo so like Cyclotronic Blast... SIMS pretty freaking goood

[tropic ocean]

[daring atlas]

Do we know if Vendetta enhances its damage?

[bleak spoke]

Man what

[spice surge]

It does not

[manic sparrow]

It does not

[stable totem]

Memory of lucid dream will be our best essence right?

[spice surge]

Vendetta doesnt increase anything that isnt rogue specific

Nor does MA

[manic pike]

vendetta doesnt affect cyclone

[daring atlas]

Ok thank you!

[manic pike]

but vers does

[daring atlas]

Monks and DKs can affect it

so i was curious what SIN has that could as well

[tropic ocean]

@stable totem depends on what other essences/ranks u can get

[stable totem]

What would be our bis

in rank 3

all of em counted

[tropic ocean]

for st the raid one

[bleak spoke]

Idk man the problem with bm is that you’re not a rogue @tropic ocean

[manic pike]

How are other people using the crit pot with master assain talent? Are you prepotting normal and losing some of the talent buff or are you prepotting early restealthing and losing some potion uptime?

[tropic ocean]

prepotting like usually

[rigid mango]

Not using the crit pot

[tropic ocean]

since with current gear u dont overcap crit

[rigid mango]

Since it's a buggy shitshow

[tropic ocean]

but crit pot last time I used it was dogshit so idk

[lone junco]

[rigid mango]

So don't use it

[simple meteor]

we gonna need to activate trinket pre pull the raid one plus pot oh my god

[bleak spoke]

You can restealth really fast if you don’t pot in stealth probably?

[tropic ocean]

?

[bleak spoke]

Just like AR prepull

[tropic ocean]

you don't get unstealthed bypotting

[rigid mango]

By crit one

[simple meteor]

yes you do

[rigid mango]

You do

[bleak spoke]

You do from the crit pot

[simple meteor]

the crit one

[tropic ocean]

oh wow

[rigid mango]

Like i said

[tropic ocean]

didnt even notice

[real bay]

lmao

[rigid mango]

Buggy shitshow

Doesn't stack to 20% eithe

[bleak spoke]

But yeah idk like just pot and stealth

[manic pike]

Sims highest for me but I dont know if sims are accounting for it breaking stealth on pull

[spice surge]

Its not worth the hassle for 10% or 5%

[rigid mango]

So it's bad

[tropic ocean]

nice I can tell my raidlead I use old pots cuz new ones unstealth me

$$

[spice surge]

Well unbridled and new agi doesnt

So

[rigid mango]

Just use unbrid

[tropic ocean]

psst

[manic pike]

well you wouldnt use old ones use new agi ones

[rigid mango]

Exactly

[bleak spoke]

Yeah if you have a nice pull wouldn’t you crit I’m opener anyway :^)

[rigid mango]

[tropic ocean]

@spice surge dont do me like that

[bleak spoke]

Hahaha

We cheap life

I’m still using old pots through hc week

I’ll pot nice pots on prog

[rigid mango]

Aye, unbrid all the way

[spice surge]

Hopefully they fix crit pots though

[bleak spoke]

Just crit naturally 4Head

[tropic ocean]

bridled > agi?

[bleak spoke]

V A L U E

What does unbridled do

[spice surge]

damage

[tropic ocean]

its like the blood potions of uldir i guess

[spice surge]

Brindled sims higher than agi yes, like 250-300 higher

[bleak spoke]

So like bursting blood?

[tropic ocean]

y

[bleak spoke]

Alrighty then

[strange python]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[fair otter]

Is anyone else going to try Vision of Perfection / 3 Nothing Personal?

[rotund stream]

yes

[magic thorn]

Is there a benthic command ?

[spice surge]

Ill use 2 minors instead of 1 myself

[fair otter]

nods

[rigid mango]

It's poop

[magic thorn]

yeah but the pins have just 3 pieces stated

[rigid mango]

The good pieces

Yes

[magic thorn]

and how good is the physical bracers and belt for us then ?

[heady oasis]

so worldvien not great rn ? breaking stealth and all

[rigid mango]

Not as good

So go get the good ones

[manic pike]

they arent as good because their dmg is reduced by armor

[fair otter]

I wonder if they are gonna nerf the heck out of the benthic pieces

[manic pike]

probably

[rigid mango]

Probably not

[jaunty plinth]

our tank simmed them at 425 without sockets, and they beat the 445 raid gear, it's a bit op

[manic pike]

since the good pieces with sockets are better than new mythic raid basline gear

[rigid mango]

Yep

[fair otter]

yeah that is why I think they will be nerfed

[rigid mango]

And why were they made to work in raid

[fair otter]

having 425s beat mythic gear is silly

[rigid mango]

[spice surge]

Dungeon gear that was the same lvl as hc was used in the past

So why do people have so much against benthic gear

Which is only 5 ilvls lower

[rigid mango]

[fair otter]

because there is no real work involved vs things like mythic raiding

[spice surge]

Neither is dungeons

[manic pike]

Well originally the Benthic gear couldnt socket, which made it good for exactly what its supposed to be. alt cach up gear, then for some reason they made them socketable

[spice surge]

And yes there is work in farming 280 pearls

[rigid mango]

Farming low dungeons and get sockets

So skilled

Honestly.

[cunning blaze]

Socketed benthic gear is gonna be better than eternal palace stuff?

[fair otter]

some of it Sims higher Shozy

[rigid mango]

Yes

[manic pike]

Whats really f****d up right now is because of Ally WM bonus, the best way to get gear on a horde is funnel benthic gera from an ally alt to fish for sockets lol

[fair otter]

lol

[rigid mango]

Socketed pieces at 420/425 are better than baseline mythic stuff

Just like socketed 400 was better than 415

[spice surge]

Idk why people are so upset about benthic gear, when mechagon rings are gonna be basicly required

[rigid mango]

[quick cipher]

dont whine about ally wm buff cause its the hordes fault its that way right now

[spice surge]

And those are 415

[rigid mango]

Yep

Those look broke so

[fair otter]

the if then rings?

[quick cipher]

they look pretty nteresting

[fair otter]

yeah i like the combos

[faint harness]

15k dmg from hitting something from behind

[quick cipher]

reminds of writing programs in hs

[rigid mango]

[timber meadow]

I mean there are some classes like druids that will basically have their "BIS" setup before raid even comes out

[manic pike]

yup. mechagon farming for forged rings will be the new thing

[urban junco]

\o/

Can't wait

[spice surge]

Ilvl is basicly irrelevant on rings anyway

[manic pike]

yes and no

[tropic ocean]

do they have internal cd eleem?

cuz "dmg from behind +15k nature proc" would be

opieop

[manic pike]

still want the highest ilvl possible on the best rings

[spice surge]

I'd assume so

[tropic ocean]

especially as sin

[spice surge]

Well no, you want the highest ilvl and socket

[manic pike]

They will prob be a rppm

[spice surge]

Because a socket on a ring is worth like 40 ilvls

[tropic ocean]

im not sure about rppm

since its not a chance

"if you damage an enemy from behind" "then you xy"

and i guess 15k dmg proc is >>> 293 haste

[spice surge]

I mean, it can still be rppm

[tropic ocean]

as in max procs per minute

y

[spice surge]

I think its fair to assume it wont proc of every single melee you do though

[tropic ocean]

every dot tick

[manic pike]

ya that would be insane

[tropic ocean]

even on overlap ticks

😄

damage done: 79% ring proc

[magic fossil]

guys, with mecha trinket, we start normally but after vendetta we use it? like for st, garrote+mutilate+rupture trinket and then open vendetta + lurkers and normal rotation?

or we have a better way to use it?

thanks for any answer

[untold current]

thats what ive heard so far @magic fossil

[balmy cradle]

Does bote essence work with the mecha trinket?

[carmine coyote]

@magic fossil
use it while it is invisible and then continue with your rotation

[vapid scarab]

it can't crit so no

[rigid mango]

@carmine coyote wdym?

[carmine coyote]

st,trinket+garrote+mutilate+rupture and then open vendetta + lurkers and normal rotation

use the trinket before opening

[rigid mango]

Well that's wrong, do it like he said, g mut rup trink

[balmy cradle]

So for shrouded subt opener: g g rup plumage mecha normal rotation?

[vapid scarab]

g rup g vendetta macro

[balmy cradle]

So i use vendetta for garrotes and ignore the fact the trinket doesnt benefit?

[rigid mango]

You do the regular opener

and pop it after sub

[vapid scarab]

you can cast during the channel

[rigid mango]

that's it

[vapid scarab]

that's exactly what I said

[balmy cradle]

Oh lol did not know i could cast while channel thx alot

[manic pike]

Easiest way to to know what you should do is run a sim in raidbots, go the the full httml report link for simcraft and look at your APL list for sample sequence

[rigid mango]

Or ask here

works fine too

[manic pike]

here youre going to get people who dont know what theyre talking about giving bad advise

and contradicting advise

[rigid mango]

And if you are inexperienced w the APL and how it works?

then what?

[manic pike]

Best answer is always sim

then ask about how to use that instead

[balmy cradle]

Well i know what you mean but for example im not at home i cant sim anything right now but im still curious and dont want to sim/try all stuff when i get home if people talk about it here anyway :/

[naive ridge]

Any ideas where i can macro Cyclotronic?

[vapid scarab]

vendetta

the cast happens during the GCD that you casted it

[naive ridge]

oh, thank u man

[untold current]

Can u have 2 trinkets macro'ed to vendetta tho?

like lurkers and cyclo?

[rigid mango]

Cyclo is a "gem"

[untold current]

right

[rigid mango]

So I don't see why it wouldn't work tbh

[vapid scarab]

you can

/use 13
/use 14
/cast Vendetta

[naive ridge]

ty bro

[ripe nimbus]

Does that work I thought u couldnt attack during the cast u obv can attack during channel tho

[manic pike]

You would have to cast Vendetta before using the cyclone in the macro tho because you cant do anything while casting the trinket

[quasi ledge]

Vendetta needs to be before using the card trinket

/use 13
/cast Vendetta
/use 14

Basically

[ripe nimbus]

Yes but the trinket doesn't get affected by vendetta so ur just wasting attacks inside vendetta why not just g/mut/rup/mechatrinket/continue opener

[vapid scarab]

you can cast during the channel, and the cast happens during the GCD you used to trigger vendetta

[ripe nimbus]

I'm pretty sure the cast time is longer then the GCD

I'll have to check

[vapid scarab]

.2s

you waste .2s of vendetta

[ruby idol]

Why not waste 0s tho

[vapid scarab]

.2s isn't even enough for an extra GCD so

[manic veldt]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[tropic ocean]

🤷🏿‍♂️

[manic pike]

either way youre doing it we're talking differences of single digit dps

[vapid scarab]

single digits, one is just a lot more convenient

[manic pike]

so probably easier to just macro it to CDs and not have another button to push in opener

[quaint sequoia]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[quaint sequoia]

so the pvp essence is not bis for sin rogues?

thank fucking god if thats the case

[royal lantern]

its good if you have nothing better avaible right now

[untold current]

I mean, its bis for me until i get something better

[royal lantern]

rank3 blood sims highest for st for me right now, but ofc other essences will take that spot later

[spice surge]

Its good regardless, just because it isnt the highest simming essence doesnt mean its bad

Its the highest burst essence, and that will be useful in some scenarios

[flat forge]

How do you use lucid dream?

[stuck knoll]

Check pins

[sullen hearth]

So happy got my boots at 425 w/ socket

[urban junco]

Niceu.

I need the last 100 pearls

:3

[sullen hearth]

now to pvp to get my blood essence rank 2

[urban junco]

^

[sullen hearth]

whats the best ST combo people are thinking of using tomorrow ? Lucid major with another minor or blood major with lucid minor

[balmy cradle]

For me its blood 3 major and lucid 2 minor

[sullen hearth]

yeah i only have lucid 2 and blood at 2 so im just gonna sim and hope for the best

[tropic ocean]

https://prnt.sc/oc92ei

[urban junco]

spice

[modest tendon]

Going 2-3ttk instead 3ss do you loose overall dps?

[tropic ocean]

yes

[urban junco]

If I can't get rank 2 blood today, I'll probs use the fire dot one @sullen hearth

[sullen hearth]

yeah that sounds about right

dot does ok

[modest tendon]

It’s strange how faster keys go even though you do less overall

[sullen hearth]

just gonna raidbots the shit outta everything

[tropic ocean]

not sure it will make keys go faster

but it will make keys easier

[urban junco]

I wish I had rank 2 purification protocol. Looks tres fun in keys.

[tropic ocean]

as you can put a lot of prioritized damage into the dangerous mobs while fighting packs

[polar cape]

If they dont change protocol its prob gonna be mandatory for keys

[fleet whale]

Blood of the Enemy?

[tropic ocean]

if it stays like it is

m+ will be 5x protocol y

[balmy cradle]

Becausr of insta kill or 10% dmg?

[polar cape]

Lets try to rng instant kill a berserker hell yeaah

[fleet whale]

so all of this hype for Blood of the enemy for nothing

[stark oxide]

Blood hasn't been hyped

[fleet whale]

i mean it kind of was for M+

[balmy cradle]

Does the insta kill work on every mob?

[untold current]

only mobs mother deems so

[balmy cradle]

FeralS

[stark oxide]

The experienced people weren't hyping blood for m+ because its near pointless on big pulls

its sweet spot is 7-8 targets and that'sjust too situational

[fleet whale]

no one was talking about purification 2 weeks ago, only talk i heard for M+ was Blood of the Enemy and maybe the iris

[spice surge]

Its sweet spot is below 7-8 targets

IE on like 2-7

Which is most pulls

[stark oxide]

2 weeks ago we didn't have sims yet, I wouldn't call that hype

[spice surge]

Blood is definitely not bad, and besides instakilling things protocol isnt that good

[hollow junco]

Blood is just the best immediately obtainable rank3

[spice surge]

And i dont know the % chance of the instakill

[hollow junco]

and will end up being in top 5 when everything's rank3

[shy dust]

Wasn’t blood only hyped before all the nerfs it received

[royal lantern]

@fleet whale blood was hyped until it got nerfed 10000x, then it was more like ''its gonna be good, but probably not bis''

[stark oxide]

I'm not saying blood is bad, I just haven't seen much hype on it since sims started functioning

yeah, thats my point^

[shy dust]

Because others perform better

[fleet whale]

well i guess hype isn't the right word, but many people were gunning for it when the patch released and even after the nerfs many people thought it would still be used for M+

[untold current]

I'm gunning for it simply bc is the best I can get until others

[balmy cradle]

Why is there a mob cap for blood? Can someone explain that? Isnt more crit always good?

[fleet whale]

also someone in my guild got rank 3 lucid today

[stark oxide]

because echoing blades has a limit on procs

[lone junco]

@tropic ocean look out. vanish NS DS rupture exangs, headed your way

[hollow junco]

varolyn how...did they just nonstop farm fins and chests?

[fleet whale]

idk

he's a human

[faint harness]

i got it yesterday, AMA

[spice surge]

You could get it like 3 days ago

[ripe nimbus]

When things like Iris and condensed life force exist there isn't much room for blood. There might be situations where it's good but those are prob gonna be few and far between

[spice surge]

If you farmed hard

[ripe nimbus]

I got rank 3 lucid 3 days ago

[fleet whale]

probably got lucky with rares and maybe the pet battles

[faint harness]

Just get lucky with drops

[shy dust]

What are the 3 food items for your bodyguards btw? I know one drops from rays

[spice surge]

Iris

[faint harness]

Its 4

Crabs, Manta rays, Eels and Trees

[shy dust]

Are they daily?

[faint harness]

That is my unconfirmed assumption

[spice surge]

They're atleast not weekly, so either daily or nothing

[hollow junco]

my understanding was that rank3 is unlocked via follower xp

[faint harness]

It is

[fleet whale]

it is

[hollow junco]

which has little to do with rep or being human

[fleet whale]

but you can get items that give more xp

i've gotten one before

[hollow junco]

so, you'd have to farm fins and chests etc

[faint harness]

Not farm

Just get lucky

[hollow junco]

to exceed the daily limits of what is available

[faint harness]

I have gained at least 2k xp from other stuff that is not daily

since start of patch

[spice surge]

@ripe nimbus Guardian doesnt really do aoe and iris sims nothing like the tooltip suggests it works like

[hollow junco]

weekly tree, a fin or two every day, a chest item a day if you're lucky-ish, all that accounted for enough follower xp really?

[fleet whale]

i tried to do the bare minimum on naz, but i do have flying now

[balmy cradle]

I understand that echo only proccs 5 times but still all of your other attacks benefit from crit no?

[faint harness]

900 from 2 naga orders, 800 from bark, rest from random drops

[spice surge]

Im still convinced blood is the best for actual AoE damage, that isnt the end-all-be-all for m+ though

[royal lantern]

i cant really immagine purification too stay with the insta kill part for long

[sullen hearth]

yeah Ive gotten 1 bark drop ever and have been hitting rares pretty hard for 2 weeks

[distant cypress]

Question sin'ers , is it worth using Subroutine: Optimization punchcard ?

[strange python]

What traits do I play in +23 siege help pls ty

[hollow junco]

depends on the proc chance. DH dps instakilled three trash mobs in one waycrest run, and one was matron morana

so, that's a big deal

[royal lantern]

and thats excatly wath i mean

how will blizzard do something like the mdi

[faint harness]

ApexMD the bark is confirmed on a weekly lockout

[fleet whale]

yeah but that just sounds like an rng clusterfuck

[royal lantern]

if runs will be won or lost cus of pruification rng

[faint harness]

so if you have gotten 1 bark this week theres no point to keep farming for them

[hollow junco]

well yeah, but that's world of warcraft

rng clusterfuck

[ripe nimbus]

How does focus iris not sim like the tooltip reads doesn't it just do damage to mobs in a straight line?

[royal lantern]

there is a difference bettwen ''the frostmage is lucky with procs and does more dmg now'' and ''lel we insta kill important enemys''

[spice surge]

The tooltip says r1 does 100k dmg over 4 seconds, in simc it does 140k over 3 seconds

[fleet whale]

what if you get 3 instakill procs and they are all non elites

[faint harness]

isnt it 120k

[spice surge]

Depends on your stats

[stark oxide]

I mean in mdi, 5 people can run protocol, pull all the trash from boss a to boss b, everyone pops essence, and there is a decentish chance that between the 5 of them, a good chunk of the trash gets thanos'd.

[faint harness]

alright nvm

[stark oxide]

that sounds pretty screwy to me

[faint harness]

if you're a serious MDI'er you dont bank on RNG right

RIGHT

[sullen hearth]

ok Push ty for that

[faint harness]

[ripe nimbus]

I mean even at 100k at 4 secs wouldn't that still put the sim over BotE

[sullen hearth]

there are still things like eel filets etc

[royal lantern]

if it stays like that it will still decide some mdi runs 🤷

[fleet whale]

it's probably gonna get nerfed

[faint harness]

tbf the protocol is good for m+ regardless of the instant kill

the minor does quite a bit of dmg

[royal lantern]

your group was lucky and instant kills zuls shadow? gg too all other groups that dont have that luck

[faint harness]

thats wow

[cobalt gyro]

i don't think it'l lbe able to proc on something like zul

[stark oxide]

yeah I like protocol even without the execute. I just think there needs to be consistency on the execution or none at all

[faint harness]

aaaanyway, blood instant aoe dmg is not to scoff at

[royal lantern]

@cobalt gyro was more of an extreme example, sorry

[faint harness]

lemme tell you that

[fleet whale]

what i wonder is why it takes 20 crates to buy rank 2

[faint harness]

its nasty

[fleet whale]

when the unbound force takes like 25 pearls

[faint harness]

thats what they should nerf if anything

[civic palm]

Because that's not very much scrap at all.

[faint harness]

rank 3 tho

40 crates bro

[sullen hearth]

imma go farm 10 crates right now

that aint a lot

[ripe nimbus]

40 crates isn't that much either

[faint harness]

the oscillators is worse

[civic palm]

You can actually farm scrap > _>

Yeah OSC. is way worse.

[fleet whale]

i have a ton of oscillators

[sullen hearth]

Ive been lucky with alot from mechanized chests

[faint harness]

its what, 20 oscillators for rank 3

[fleet whale]

and enough scrap to make 10 crats

crates*

[cobalt gyro]

yeah but like

the scrap rains from the sky

[civic palm]

It's...

literally all over the ground.

[strange python]

Is purification protocal good as minor for m+?

[faint harness]

yaaaaz doood

[strange python]

can it ninja pull at all?

[faint harness]

why would it ninjapull

8 yards aoe, not that big

[strange python]

Idk dude , I've seen blizzard have some dodgy ninjapull stuff in m+ before

[solemn meadow]

hmm what azerite do we want from raid?

[keen elk]

Are sims taking the rank of the essences into account or is it assuming rank 3’s? I’m surprised at how much higher Protocol rank 1 is simming as minor on ST and major on AOE over everything else on multiple specs (obviously just bad feely craft I guess lol)

[solemn meadow]

what sims?

[keen elk]

Raidbots with the direct simcraft pasted data, not the discord bot

[solemn meadow]

eh it sims with what you have

if you have r1 equipped

it sims with r1

[keen elk]

Okay cool, that’s what I was wondering just to make sure it’s not over valuing my rank 1’s, guess protocol minor is just simming really well with lucid major for ST

At least in my case

[distant cypress]

thoguhts guys ? worth it to zero out all other secondary stats and get massive boost to lets say master and haste?

[solemn meadow]

its bad

get the one from revered

at rustbolt

[distant cypress]

alright :(

[solemn meadow]

super op atm

in both pve and pvp

[distant cypress]

i was sure this wildcard would be good

[solemn meadow]

I am gonna roll at first boss and the last 2 bosses

well assa needs all stats

and not just haste mastery

[ripe nimbus]

@lone junco they making fun of ur trinket

[distant cypress]

true

[faint harness]

if it had better procrate there could be niche uses

[lone junco]

@ripe nimbus which one? that stat swap one?

[ripe nimbus]

Yes

[lone junco]

fine by me. just keep your eyes peeled for funny logs with them

[solemn meadow]

one

more

bg

[lone junco]

and when that other one gets nerfed to dirt

[solemn meadow]

I mean I still have the blue punchcard

I can craft it whenever

[lone junco]

i dont blame you. I dont like destroying stuff. so that cyclonic looks good

[solemn meadow]

I waited to destroy it

till I dropped the punchcard 2x

since I wanted to put in the metal detector

aswell

[faint harness]

Theres another red card from the mechagon dungeon that can rival cyclotronic blast

[lone junco]

I just like the idea of the stat juggle, specifically regarding MA. when you can squeeze all your Haste Crit back into high mastery, then vanish to regain 50% crit, seems like it could be strong. just feels.

[faint harness]

but you just have to be incredibly lucky to line them up

not gonna happen like you want it

[lone junco]

probably true

[solemn meadow]

use it for sub

get 150% mastery

and do insane eviscerates

[lone junco]

Previously I though it was a /use. if it is random, its gonna be pretty gross.

but niche stuff is niche, and looks like it has the potential to bang a solid peak.

[faint harness]

mage in my guild tried it for memes, said the procrate was terrible

[lone junco]

barf

if it was terrible but within the first 10 sec of the fight.

anyway. gl

[trim forge]

I was looking at essence guide on wowhead ... little confused why it list Lucid as best minor and major since equipping it as maj gives you the minor. Am I missing sonething?

[faint harness]

the minor is included in the major, just like ingame

the minor is just.. if you put in the minor slot

[green pier]

Thanks @faint harness, hadn't picked a role. Can I ask if there's any comparison between the aberration and the aoe physical DMG belts for us? I can't imagine that the whole raid is aberrations right?

[faint harness]

2 bosses are aberrations

[trim forge]

Yeah, the minor section just reads weird. For example the second best minor talks about putting in the third slot.

[faint harness]

yea you'll have another minor slot eventually

[junior flume]

Best for single target bosses is still lucid right? Or am I misunderstanding?

[rigid mango]

The minor is

The major isn't as good as others

But sim yourself

[trim forge]

Right ... but if lucid is best it goes to the middle ... at 55 you equip another essence other than lucid

[faint harness]

the major on lucid might be worse than other majors

just because the combination sims the highest doesnt mean the actual use ability sims the best

[solemn meadow]

I say 1 more bg

what do I get

10 russian mofos from the same realm

playing like a RBG

[trim forge]

Blah ... we link essence guide and then say guide may be meh

[faint harness]

🤔

[rigid mango]

wdym

It's static sims, they're not personal

[trim forge]

!essence

[prisma monolith]

Assassination Essences overview: https://bit.ly/2XaZOVd

[solemn meadow]

[fathom wyvern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/oNmusyapFr4MafnsDg9oeu

something is wrong with the sim... i upgraded my essence to rank 2 and sim 4k less?

been running the sim over and over but cant seem to find whats different in the setup

[lone junco]

Is it set to daily instead of weekly?

[rigid mango]

You've got

[fathom wyvern]

no

[rigid mango]

outlaw chest piece

[fathom wyvern]

oh

fml

im stupid dont mind me 😂

[real bay]

lul

[fathom wyvern]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7Vmx8KgtizufrekMdeo7B6

more accurate

[severe bough]

hello

i have a sim question